Liao Yiwu: China should fall apart!

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I. Premium Strategy

The epithets of the dissident Liao Yiwu in relation to his native China are far from being the most flattering. Having received the prestigious and rather large German award given to writers by local publishers and booksellers on 14 in October, this comrade spoke of his faraway homeland as a “trash heap” and a “dictatorial empire”, whose fate is unenviable: it will collapse.

These words of a political migrant were welcomed by the President of Germany and members of the government. Inspired by the support of the audience and the receipt of 25.000 euro, Yiwu She urged to the fragmentation of China. To crush China, in his opinion, is necessary in order to ensure the security of all mankind. These words, spoken in Germany, came just a few days after the joint statement by the foreign ministers of Germany and China, in which Berlin wished to deepen the already deep cooperation with Beijing. Moreover, Guido Westerwelle visited China to mark the anniversary of the 40 anniversary of diplomatic relations between Germany and China. Herr Westerwelle called the relationship of Germany and China not as something, but a “strategic partnership.”



Journalists and analysts talk and write a lot about the double standards of the West. Is this what, by "strategic partnership" Berlin implies efforts to break up non-brotherly China? However, Liao Yiwu is far from Solzhenitsyn, and the German prize is not at all Swedish.

Meanwhile, China is the second supplier of goods to Germany and the fifth buyer of German goods. To desire the collapse of China with a similar economic trend (growing, by the way), at least short-sighted. Now only one “Volkswagen” plans to invest a billion dollars in the Chinese economy. Where will he invest in the disintegration of China - at the request of the dissident Yiwu?

According to German Foreign Policy magazine, Liao Yiwu is a typical representative of those social groups in China who can be successfully used against the Chinese government. The group of dissatisfied includes wealthy urban residents of the middle class. Their increasing economic and political appetites may well contribute to that future strategic alliance with the West (with the same Germany, we add, as an advanced EU country) against the government of the PRC.

Thus, the German government sees the strengthening of "strategic partnership" through such a "disintegration" of China, which would lead to democratization there by the victory of the middle class. In the meantime, in order to pave the way, Berlin is winning the sympathies of Chinese human rights activists and cultural and art figures who are more than benevolent in their attitude towards the West. Through caressed and rewarded "Trojan Horses", Berlin expects to gain wide access to the Chinese middle class, which - in the West they have little doubt - will come to power sooner or later, displacing the corrupt ruling elite with its autocracy and other political sins, to the point of strangulation freedom of speech. And better to change the power sooner than later.

Western political flirting with a Chinese dissident is taking place against the background of changes in China: the other day, Hu Jintao, the chairman of the PRC and the general secretary of the Communist Party, approved the list of new members of the government. However, it’s still premature to talk about changing the political course.

List signed Hu Jintao, his deputy Xi Jinping and former PRC leader Jiang Zemin. In addition to Xi Jinping, Vice-Premier Li Keqiang, Vice-Premier for Finance Wang Qishan, Party officials Liu Yunshan, Li Yuanchao, Zhang Dejiang and Zhang Gaoli were included in the new leadership appointed for 10 years. Officially, the composition of the Chinese leadership will be announced after approval at the plenary session of the Central Committee of the Communist Party 1 in November, and the transfer of power will take place on November 8 at the XVIII CPC Congress, where Xi Jinping will accept the post of general secretary. Further, in March 2013, at the session of the parliament, Comrade Jinping should be elected chairman of the PRC, and Li Keqiang - prime minister of the State Council. Economic reforms, and even more so political ones, are not expected by analysts from these people. However, all those who now come to power have a common - belonging to approximately one generation. Almost all new leaders suffered during the cultural revolution, and their adult life was already in the country with a market and a kind of capitalism.

Probably, the Germans and the West in general are waiting for change from people from the Shanghai city party committee and children of the former leaders of the PRC who are preparing to sit in the chairs of the country's top leaders - about the same way as Western politicians from Gorbachev in the late eighties waited for changes, and even more former communist party leader. The script is really - time-tested.

The framework of this scenario fits well with the European premium strategy of previous years.

Nobel Peace Prize in 2010 year got Chinese human rights activist Liu Xiaobo. This comrade a year earlier received a prison sentence in 11 years in China for attempting to undermine the state system. Unlike Liao Yiwu, Xiaobo promoted not a fragmentation of China into small states, but a regional confederation.

Germany patronizes Chinese cultural figure Ai Weiwei. Art Review magazine ranked this comrade among the hundred most influential people in the art world. Understandably, and he conflicts with the Chinese authorities.

Against the background of such prosperity of Chinese dissidents in the Western world, the Nobel Prize in 2012 literature of the year Mo Yan, also Chinese, was criticized. They scolded him not for the books, but for the fact that he "obeyed" the authorities and was loyal to the government. Detractors probably forgot that this prize, whatever they wrote about its “political correctness”, is awarded for literary achievements, and not for dissidence.

Shpigel Reporter Suzanne Beyer interviewed Wu Liao Yiwu.

Answering the question “How do you feel about writer Mo Yang, who won the Nobel Prize in literature?”, Yiwu said that he was “stunned.” For him it is “like a slap in the face”. At the same time, the dissident remarked that two years ago he was delighted with the decision to award the Nobel Peace Prize to his close friend, the writer Liu Xiaobo, languishing in detention in China. For yiwu

“It was a confirmation that universal human values ​​and moral standards exist, and that the Nobel Prize encourages writers to defend the moral code.”


And suddenly - Mo Yan. Yiwu calls him the "state poet." So, the dissident says, there are no universal values? Or is there something arbitrary, depending solely on the decision of the Nobel Committee?

Here, the reporter asked a very correct question: “Do you make a distinction between a peace prize and a literature prize?”

Comrade Liao replied, sulkily:

"For me, truth is primary, and literature is secondary."


We are in China, he said (although he lives in Germany), we are dealing with a dictatorial system - “we, the writers, must have a clear position towards it”.

And what is the political position of Mo Yan? "He is an example of how a regime can influence a writer." This man, said Yiwu, praised Mao.

“Truth is not one of its priorities.”


According to the dissident, the difference between him and Yang is that if the second is familiar only with “glossy, superficial China,” then he, Yiwu, a tough critic of the government, is acquainted with lower-level China, with its dirtiest bottom.

Suzanne Beyer notes in response that Mo Yan is not the author of the compromising series. He may be a conformist, she says, but he does not shy away from criticism in his works.

No, no, argues Yiwu, the writer Yan “artistically” moves away from the fight.

“So he puts himself above the truth. I don't like that. ”


According to Yiwu, only those who oppose the Chinese government are true:

“If you are going to adhere to the truth, then you need to distance yourself from the Chinese government, and indeed from any form of politics, including even the policies of democratic countries. When China was an honorary guest at the Frankfurt Book Fair three years ago, Mo Yan was part of the official delegation. He was a symbol of the Communist Party and the culture of China ... "


Finally, the dissident believes that rewarding Mo Yan is extremely harmful. After all this

"A bitter example of the fuzzy morals of the West."


In conclusion, Herr Yiwu said that Chinese party officials were extremely annoyed by his Yiwu award in Germany, which proves how effective such a policy can be in promoting the ideas of civil society and in the search for truth.

“I have been living in Germany for over a year,” said Yiwu, “and I got the impression that people here are in search of the truth ...”


The dissident stated:

"Germany is my spiritual home."


By the way, in parallel with Yiwu, another award - already in the USA - got Chinese Yu Ji, former vice president of the Independent Chinese PEN Center and author of many books. Yu migrated to the United States in January of this year with his wife and son. In a press statement he gave upon arrival, he described years of painful censorship and told the free people of America about police torture he was subjected to in December 2010.

This dissident was awarded the prize "Civil courage." The award ceremony took place on October 17 in New York.

In his speech, which was called Solzhenitsynsky (as we see another parallel) “Buttling a calf with an oak tree”, Yu Ji warned Western countries about the dangers of tolerance towards human rights violations in China - in exchange for cheap goods and cheap labor.

So, Western ideals have already been appointed among Chinese dissidents. At their head, of course, is the awarded Herr Yiwu. True, it is unlikely that he will be able to influence the policy of the new ruling elite, as well as the West, while China’s disintegration prefers “cheap goods and cheap labor”. What is the basis of the ideas of the German Trojan horse about the collapse of China?

Ii. "A pile of garbage", which is destined to fall apart

Literary Prize of the Association of German Publishers and Booksellers was handed Yiwu how

“To the Chinese author, who continues to wage an eloquent and fearless battle against political repression and speaks in a loud and clear voice of the oppressed and powerless people of his country.”


A Chinese immigrant called in response, "This empire must collapse." With her, he spoke at a ceremony in Frankfurt 14 October, which was attended by the President of Germany.

Liao yiwu started speech from a story about a nine-year-old boy, third-grader Liu Peng, who was killed by a bullet in June 1989 in Tiananmen Square.

“He will always be nine years old. I would never forget that. That is why I recorded the news of his death. But here, today, I would like to announce news about another death - this time the Chinese empire. A country where they can kill young children en masse should break up into parts, in accordance with Chinese tradition. ”


Referring to the "Tao Te Ching," Yiwu said that Lao Tzu described the desire of all mankind to have a home. Native land is as important for the elderly as the mother’s breast for the child. And the satisfaction of this basic human desire does not require the idea of ​​a "great nation." And even the opposite - what is needed is the division of the country into small territories.

That dictatorial empire that we have today, said Yiwu, originally consisted of numerous small states or their fragments. Yes, at that time fires of war raged around, and then one or another state was under occupation or on the verge of annexation. Nevertheless, historians agree that that period (right up to the Epoch of Spring and Autumn and the period of the Fighting Kingdoms) was an unsurpassed time of glory and unprecedented political, economic and cultural flourishing. Since then, there has never been the degree of freedom of speech and discussion, the competition in science and art.

Today? Today, according to Yiwu, every tradition is turned upside down. The Communist Party usurped and shamelessly distorted the Chinese intellectual heritage. Didn’t the party members read the classics, the dissident asks, do they not know that, for example, Confucius was not a representative of the “Chinese nation”, but he lived in the small state of Lu?

Confucius was 56 years old when he argued on political topics with his ruler. Then, fearing for his life, he fled from his country - just to stay alive. He lived in exile, traveling through different states. In this light, according to Yiwu, Confucius should be considered the spiritual ancestor of political dissidents.

The same Chinese empire left in stories huge bloody footprints. The name of the first emperor, Qin, will “stink to the skies” for ages: here it is the construction of the Great Wall, the burning of books, and the murder of scientists.

The construction of the Great Wall, according to Yiwu, was supposed to keep people from contact with the outside world and serve to turn China into a prison. The whole country was forced to work slavishly - for the benefit of this gigantic project. As for the burning of books and the killing of scientists, this was supposed to cut people off from their own traditions.

Emperor Qin published "A Call to All Scientists" on purpose - only to lure 460 philosophers from all parts of the country to the capital and bury them there alive.

Two thousand years later, for such a thing, he received great praise from a new despot - named Mao Zedong. Mao boasted: Qin Shi Huang has buried the entire 460 Confucianists, and we have done away with tens of thousands of counter-revolutionaries.

Therefore, Yiwu concludes: the new state was built on killing people. During the great famine, from 1959 to 1962, about 40 million people died throughout the country. In June, 1989 of the year, once again feeling that power was in danger of overthrow, the Communist Party mobilized 200 of thousands of soldiers and massacred in Beijing.

The days of the Chinese empire, according to Yiwu, are numbered. He states:

"This inhuman empire, washing its hands in blood, causing so much suffering to the world, this huge pile of garbage has to fall apart."


Yiwu ended it with the words:

“For the helpless and homeless migrant workers from China to no longer have to slave labor around the world, it must disintegrate. <...> This empire must disintegrate - for the sake of peace and tranquility of all mankind and for mothers from Tiananmen Square. "


Iii. Who benefits?

Natalia Meden ("Fund of Strategic Culture"), reading the article about Liao Yiwu in the popular and influential German newspaper "Frankfurter Allgemeine", notes:

“Some readers of Frankfurter Allgemeine write in their comments that China will not be able to break up as easily as the Soviet Union. How to say. In fact, China is very heterogeneous: in theory, fault lines can be drawn along the borders of Uiguria, Tibet, Inner Mongolia. What is there? According to official data, 56 nationalities live in China, and the Han people, to whom statistics include 92% of the population, is a conglomerate, in fact - the political unity of people from different regions. Han people speak different languages: the "universal language" Putonghua for the inhabitants of many regions is the second language. Depending on the typology, linguists distinguish between six and twelve different groups within Putonghua in China. Therefore, the most important guarantee of unity is that the Chinese themselves do not want the collapse of their country. In the XIX century. England was unable to dismember China into parts - the imperial power was preserved, albeit formally. So, an external force, interested today in the collapse of China, should have surpassed the Chinese no less than England surpassed China in the times of the opium wars. ”


Germany, whose turnover with China grows annually. will not pursue a frankly "democratic policy" towards the PRC. It is one thing to pay a scholarship (state) and give a premium to a (private) dissident, and quite another to step on the throat of your own capitalist song. The same can be said about the whole of the European Union. The rate of slowdown in China’s economic growth is not so significant as to seriously say that in Europe, China will soon cease to play a significant role. Will not stop. Moreover, the EU has long been entrusting the truly great role of the savior of the eurozone to the PRC. It is not without reason that the chairman of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, notes that at the moment China and the eurozone should move further in opening markets and creating equal conditions for all. is he says:

"Today, our economic interests converge more than ever."


“China is ready to pull the EU out of debt” - such headlines are not uncommon in the press. And the Chinese themselves confirm this.

Back in February, 2012, in the very first minutes of the China-EU summit, held in China, Premier Wen Jiabao said:

"China is ready to take part in solving the problems of the debt crisis in the European Union."


China and the EU were called partners, inseparable in their development.

At the same time, Europe has repeatedly expressed in the sense that there is a frightening economic dependence of the EU on the PRC. In response, representatives of the Chinese Communist Party with a smile said that Beijing does not intend to "buy Europe." We are talking only about the financing of the investment stabilization fund, which could save the eurozone from the debt crisis.

However, it is naive to assume that the Chinese will not derive economic benefits from their investments. The Europeans, who are afraid of Chinese expansion into their markets and buying companies, should have previously thought not only about profit, but also about economic independence. When the entire West transferred production to Taiwan, China, India, Singapore (now the remnants are transferred to Vietnam) and when the crisis struck, the past independence was really in question. If twenty years ago, China relied on foreign investment, now Western Europe worships the god of foreign (Chinese) investment. Who would have thought that the situation would change so drastically?

If Europe, anxious to become a Chinese “purchase”, but facing a possible collapse of the euro zone, is counting on money from China, then the United States, which also encourages Chinese dissidents, sees strengthening of China’s geopolitical dominance - at least regional (APR).

Back in early January 2012, US President Obama announced that the planned budget cuts in the country's military spending would not affect the ability of the US to withstand competition with strategic adversaries. Quote:

“Among the strategic opponents of the United States, Obama singled out Iran and China. Regarding the latter, the president remarked that in the long run, Beijing will have an increasing impact on the US economy and military sphere. ”


Rђ RІRѕS, words Republican Committee Chairman in the Parliamentary Committee on Armed Forces, Buck McKeon, who criticized the Obama program to cut military spending:

“The president should understand that the world has always had, is and will be a leader. While America is retreating, someone else is moving forward. ”


However, one should be objective: Americans should not blame China for total hostility. Beijing is not at all eager to confront Washington. In addition, US hysteria begins hysteria: tensions in relations between America and China in 2012 are associated with the adoption of a document entitled “Sustaining US Global Leadership: Priorities for 3 Century Defense” in Washington, DC on January 21. This strategy states that the strengthening of the PRC in the long term may affect the economy and security of the United States. The key points in the adopted US military strategy are reduced to a reduction in the number of American armed forces while simultaneously concentrating budget resources on the development of satellites and unmanned aircraft. The strategy also implies a reorientation of resources to the APR.

Analyst Ilya Kramnik считаетthat the “regrouping of US military power toward the Asia-Pacific region” is obvious. Speech, in his opinion, should be the news of the deployment of US forces against China.

“Most clearly,” the journalist writes, “this trend is expressed in plans to strengthen the US Navy in the Pacific and create a US-Japanese missile defense system, which has an obvious, though not declared, anti-Chinese orientation in this region.”


As part of the American fleet - 11 aircraft carriers and 10 aircraft carrier strike groups. At sea at the same time can carry out military service no more than six carrier strike groups. Each carrier strike group in combat service is the basis of the military power of one operational fleet of the US Navy. Today, they have deployed five fleets, of which the Seventh is now in the western part of the Pacific Ocean and the eastern part of the Indian, that is, where a confrontation with China is possible. Moreover, if the Fifth Operational Fleet (operating in the Persian Gulf) is the first in force today, then the Seventh is the second. And the naval forces of the People's Liberation Army of China are considered the potential adversary of the Seventh Fleet.

I. Kramnik also believes that another major element of the US military strategy in the APR is the deployment of a joint US-Japanese missile defense system in the Far East.

Add from yourself: time will work not for America, but for China. The United States is cutting Pentagon costs, and they plan to reduce them for another ten years, while China, on the contrary, is increasing defense spending. In a few years, the PRC can enter the “first fiddle” of the world economy and at the same time establish leadership in military spending. There is so much talk about China in this sense that the Americans are already confused, and in one of the latest Pew polls a significant proportion of respondents (41%) noted thethat the leading economic power of the world is China.

But is America interested in the collapse of China - according to Herra Yiwu's scenario? A variety of financial institutions and human rights organizations would like to see China "democratic" and "open", but for three decades of their desire, Beijing has remained authoritarian and relatively closed. Under the new government, it is likely to remain the same.

If the USSR collapsed without being the first economic partner of the Western countries, then the Western economy is very dependent on China. 55% of the turnover of the EU, the USA and Japan, an ally of the USA, accounts just for China. But China is also dependent on the Western economy. The PRC controls the bonds of the US Federal Reserve on 1,15 trillion. dollars. China is so dependent on the global economy that it is ready to pour into America and the EU again and again. True, the trouble is that China’s foreign debt is growing, making 2012 billion dollars in the second quarter of 785,17 of the year.

“It would seem,” writes in "Expert" Vasily Koltashov, head of the Center for Economic Research at the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements (IGSO), is okay, because the repayment of this debt is guaranteed by state gold and foreign exchange reserves, but since they are placed in foreign debt securities, a significant withdrawal of funds from them will only provoke a panic and the fall of the external demand that will not benefit Chinese manufacturers. ”


The internal debt of China is huge, at the beginning of March 2012 of the year amounted to 2,78 trillion. dollars, or 43% of GDP.

The rise of the Chinese economy will be provided only with the rise of the global economy, since domestic consumption in the relatively poor Celestial Empire leaves much to be desired. Now the US remains the flagship of the global economy, but the crisis is a crisis, and the US national debt has exceeded 16 trillions of dollars. If the American and European economies do not get better, then the Chinese economy, which is dependent on foreign market conditions, also faces a strong slowdown, if not a recession.

In the coming years, judging by the forecasts of eminent analysts, the world economy is waiting for the continuation banquet crisis. The other day, 10 had a hard time promising the global economy the chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Olivier Blanchard. is he saidthat the world will need at least a decade to get rid of the effects of the financial crisis, and Europe will remain the main source of instability. To deal with the crisis in the eurozone, the expert suggests reducing prices in debtor countries and, conversely, increasing them in economically strong countries - in particular, Germany will have to allow inflation to rise.

With such a gloomy forecast, neither Europe nor the United States can be interested in the disintegration of China. Rather, no matter what the Pentagon thinks here, the whole West is interested in strengthening the Chinese economy. Another thing is if America remains the world leader or not. But in the era of open economy and total competition, someone quickly rushes forward, and someone at the same rapid rate begins to lag behind ...

And what if we assume, as some analysts think about, that something else is being started: for example, the global union of Germany and China? In September 2012, Chancellor Angela Merkel arrived in China with a contract for fifty A320 airliners. In addition, the Germans and the Chinese agreed to further increase the volume of mutual trade. From here conclusion is made: Berlin and Beijing form a tacit global union and implement a coherent policy.

The air transaction, assessed by the parties in 3,5 billion dollars, is just one of the expressions of the processes that have long been taking place in relations between China and Germany. Following the visit of the German Chancellor, Beijing and Germany also outlined plans for financial rapprochement, involving the use of the yuan and the euro in bilateral trade, as well as investments in the Chinese interbank bond market by German banks. Wen Jiabao announced his readiness to continue investing in eurobonds, despite the high crisis risks.

That is, China follows the same course and confirms its readiness to pull the EU out of the crisis swamp. Together with Germany. What a breakdown here! ..

As for awarding a dissident Yiwu, a propagandist of the literary idea of ​​the disintegration of China, it serves as an excellent factor that distracts the West from the convergence of a strong Germany with a strong China. Besides awarding something - private ...

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So, we have a total interdependence of the economies of the EU and China and China and the United States - against the background of the rapid strengthening of economic relations between Beijing and Berlin. It is highly unlikely that in this situation, somewhere in Germany or the United States will begin to implement the scenario of the collapse of China on the Soviet model, slipped by the German president as an immigrant Yiwu. Perhaps years after 10, when the crisis will be left behind? .. Wait and see. But all this is extremely doubtful. Breaking China is not beneficial to anyone.

In order to destroy the big country according to the western “democratic” scenario, not without reason claiming to be the world leader in the sphere of economy and armaments (the current military budget of the PRC is over one hundred billion dollars), it is necessary to split it into independent “republics”. S. Gorbachev, behind whom in addition Yeltsin’s figure would loom, preferably in the company of “Chicago boys”. In China, there is no such leader now, including among new candidates for the posts of government members, and nothing speaks about his coming appearance. The conditions are not the same.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. +14
    29 October 2012 08: 15
    Let the democrats on the threshold - just fall apart.
    1. +24
      29 October 2012 08: 54
      About how - and in China there are Novodvorskie
      1. +6
        29 October 2012 11: 04
        Analysts who promise the collapse of the countries will soon be assigned to a separate class thousands of articles on the collapse of Europe, the USA, Russia, Ukraine, China, Syria and so on + 190 countries, underline wink Analysts and analysts to foresee the worst case scenario of all possible ...
      2. +2
        29 October 2012 18: 25
        Quote: Vadivak
        About how - and in China there are Novodvorskie

        Even ballerinas - and they poop.
      3. vozn_ser
        +2
        29 October 2012 19: 56
        You, (+) just wanted to read after writing that this is an article about rewarding the Chinese Novodvorskaya! laughing
    2. alatau_09
      +5
      29 October 2012 18: 03
      ... but for me, it’s better to fall apart ..., fewer headaches for the integrity of the country with all that it implies geopolitically ...
      the only thing, before it falls apart, let it collapse or bring down the Jews ...
      1. Taratut
        -5
        29 October 2012 20: 44
        I totally agree. Hai is falling apart. But stupid pseudo-patriots do not understand this.
        1. +5
          30 October 2012 01: 07
          Taratut
          for example, you’re sort of arguing sensibly, usually, and then Suddenly, how to soak off stupidity, well, just stand still, even fall belay .
          The chaos in Central Asia gave rise to mass killings of Russians and a huge number of refugees. And this is only our Asia, can you imagine the size and consequences of the collapse of China? Do you know who the hun-hoos are? How does this happen? plus nuclear weapons? destabilization of the entire Asia-Pacific region? I am modestly silent about the economy. Do you really want to see the use of tactical nuclear charges?
          1. psv_company
            +1
            3 November 2012 22: 33
            The number of nuclear weapons is estimated at 200 ballistic missiles and 10000 tactical charges. One use of nuclear weapons against us will carry a tougher answer, the complete destruction of the north, northwestern border of China and the resettlement of refugees will be impossible due to radioactive fallout ... And the wind took it all to Japan and then to America
        2. psv_company
          0
          3 November 2012 22: 29
          The dude is telling the truth, China is a danger for us, too large a population, an army of 2 million and a mobilization resource of 400 million .... I want China to start the war from the United States one on one, travel = the USA is weakened and Russia enters the scene, and recalls all his grievances. That's not bad
  2. predator.2
    +8
    29 October 2012 08: 20
    Hmm, such a map of China is very alarming, regarding the policies of this state, it’s not for nothing that local cartographers draw such maps. And the collapse of China is very difficult to believe.
    1. +6
      29 October 2012 10: 15
      To this map, the Chinese have the same attitude as the fifth leg to the dog ...
      This map was made up of either shaving or amers - they always sought to lead, resettle and bleed peoples ...
      What, however, they sometimes succeed ....
      1. +1
        29 October 2012 15: 06
        Quote: submariner
        This card was either shaved or amers

        The Britons and Amers would not have drawn on Russian Sakhalin to China. Rather, Japan. (It is strange that no one noticed this. That would be something the Chinese laughing )
      2. Beck
        +1
        30 October 2012 11: 19
        Again 25. Only for the West to stumble, some do not see their profit here, which is on the surface.

        Proceeding only from strategic economic interests, but also not forgetting the military, why Russia, Kazakhstan is a strong geopolitical player at hand. What is missing in the struggle for economic leadership in Europe, the USA, Japan.

        And then the collapse is not a devastation. It is in the USSR that the economic failure of the socialist economy has led to collapse and ruin. In China, for a long time, it is not a socialist economy. A capitalist economy thrives there. And if Tibet, which was conquered by China in 1949 and the Uyghur-Xinjiang region, finally captured by China in 1860, gain independence now, no disruption or famine will occur in China.

        Only the strategic, economic opportunities of Russia's main competitor in the Asia-Pacific region today will weaken. And the main competitor of Russia on a global scale in the future. It will weaken as Tibet and Xinjian are about a quarter of the territory of China, it is not known how many percent of the economy and a large percentage of potential.
    2. 0
      29 October 2012 17: 38
      Rather, China will be hated by our Transbaikalia than it will fall apart ....
  3. +2
    29 October 2012 08: 28
    Boris and Misha would be friends, the USSR would be preserved for sure ...
    1. +7
      29 October 2012 12: 01
      Forget Today, 08: 28
      Boris and Misha would be friends, the USSR would be preserved for sure ...
      ... with a head Yes
  4. +12
    29 October 2012 08: 34
    It turns out that it’s very easy to get the premium in the modern world, offer to ruin the country and get the prize. But China will not fall apart, but a good part of the eurozone countries will soon fall apart. Do not dig into another hole, you will fall into it hi
    1. +3
      29 October 2012 08: 52
      Pits do not build, they dig drinks
      1. +6
        29 October 2012 09: 01
        Quote: Dmitriy69

        Pits do not build, they dig

        I made a reservation or described request In a word described, please stress winked
      2. Kaa
        +6
        29 October 2012 10: 01
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Pits do not build, they dig

        Don't dig a hole for another - you will fall into it yourself. Rather, it is the naive desire of the old Europe (and the USA) to get rid of, in fact, the creditor. But at the same time they forget that they themselves already produce little ... everything was left at the mercy of "cheap labor". Interestingly, they calculated how much consumer goods actually produced in Europe would cost (and not Chinese with European labels). Who will stamp it? Indeed, “the blind leads the blind,” but I don’t understand who has worse eyesight - the United States or Europe?
    2. +5
      29 October 2012 09: 02
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      but a good part of the eurozone countries will soon begin to fall apart.


      On November 16, Romania’s budget will exhaust its financial capabilities.
      1. +6
        29 October 2012 09: 10
        Quote: Vadivak

        On November 16, Romania’s budget will exhaust its financial capabilities.

        Hi Vadim, this is good news. belay Germany is OBLIGED to urgently help with the money of great Romania. laughing
        1. Goga
          +9
          29 October 2012 09: 45
          Alexander Romanov, Vadivak, Dmitriy69 - Greetings to the "marshals"! Colleagues, Germany keeps these dissidents like a fig in a pocket - and it's scary to show and take away, it's suddenly useful. Yeah, China is "falling apart" - so it has been falling apart for four thousand years and still cannot fall apart. The Chinese leadership knows who it is dealing with - at the end of the eighties they smeared their crazy students with tanks over the area - and everything is fine with them, they will have to be smeared again, and in the West they will whine, howl, favor the Chinese Novodvorsk people - and how they traded and will trade - pennies then any "democracy" is more important for them ... laughing
          1. +8
            29 October 2012 09: 58
            Quote: Gogh
            - at the end of the eighties they spread their crazy students with tanks over the square - and they have everything exactly,

            Hi Igor, we have a tolerance, they won’t put pressure on orange tanks. (Sorry) They foreshadow the collapse of Russia, especially in the State Department, they just ended up at the edge of the abyss. The West plans everything, and we respond ........ ..And China will answer in the same way. hi
  5. +7
    29 October 2012 08: 45
    Yes, bastards are everywhere, and China is no exception, and the "progressive" representatives of humanity, as always, need to ruin something like a jackal.
    1. +6
      29 October 2012 09: 08
      Quote: viruskvartirus
      Yes, scum is everywhere and China is no exception


      And who feeds them guess?
  6. +1
    29 October 2012 09: 04
    Let it fall apart.
    1. Pit
      Pit
      +5
      29 October 2012 09: 40
      MostovikLet it fall apart.

      If China is split, then what kind of power there will be, certainly not friendly to us. And thus, we get Asia PRO on the eastern border.
    2. Lucky
      -6
      29 October 2012 11: 28
      We can even help them!)
  7. +8
    29 October 2012 09: 21
    A traitor is a traitor. He is ready to call anyone for help. As Denikin and Kolchak, Vlasov and Boner, Gorbachev and Yeltsin did in their time ...
  8. borisst64
    +6
    29 October 2012 09: 35
    I remember television shows 30 years ago where it was shown that the presence of an iron in a family is a sign of affluence. And now China is catching up with Europe in terms of living standards, and such YIUs immediately appeared. By the way in Russia the same trouble. We know whose feeding they are.
  9. Cavas
    +2
    29 October 2012 09: 35
    Inspired by the support of the audience and receiving 25.000 euros, Yiwu called for the fragmentation of China.

    The Chinese are not expensive !!!
    Ours will be more expensive.
    Maybe better? wassat
    1. +8
      29 October 2012 14: 35
      Quote: Cavas
      Ours will be more expensive.

      that's for sure.
      1. Cavas
        +3
        30 October 2012 00: 13
        [quote = Karlsonn] GOOD MISHA, and then we will somehow manage ourselvesquote ourselves]

        Somehow, now it certainly won’t work out, even with such an MO,
        Whoever comes to us with democracy will die from democracy!

        1. 0
          30 October 2012 01: 09
          I agree, there’s no where to retreat further.
  10. -1
    29 October 2012 09: 39
    someday, and China will fall apart, it is not the first time. but fall apart third after the US and the EU.
    1. 0
      30 October 2012 02: 24
      Quote: dzvero
      someday, and China will fall apart, it is not the first time.

      connoisseur of Chinese history?
      Well, when was the last time China fell apart? the opium war, the Japanese do not count.
  11. +2
    29 October 2012 09: 45
    Chinese Sugar Bonner?
  12. YOUNG
    +1
    29 October 2012 09: 57
    If China falls apart, the US will face Russia alone in the political and global arena
    1. essenger
      +4
      29 October 2012 20: 12
      Russia is geopolitically neutralized and now poses no danger to America’s national interests ...
  13. +14
    29 October 2012 09: 58
    The article is interesting, but from the collapse of China, I think we are not hot and not cold. By the way, in Germany, too, not everything is clear:
  14. +6
    29 October 2012 10: 09
    Yes, in China there are the same Navalny, Udaltsov, Kasparov and Nemtsov. These pseudo-patriots are ready for the handouts from behind the hillock to ruin their homeland to pieces. Yes
  15. +4
    29 October 2012 10: 24
    Yiwu? Add yes. Judas, like everyone else, is fixated exclusively on liberalism as a panacea for humanity. As a matter of fact, it is strange that this subject has not yet departed to another world due to acute heart failure. Only one is worthy of contempt who wishes grief for his country.
  16. -4
    29 October 2012 10: 49
    God forbid that China will fall apart and the Uighurs will gain independence !!!
    1. -4
      29 October 2012 12: 35
      Yeraz (1) Today, 10: 49
      God forbid that China will fall apart and the Uighurs will gain independence !!!
      ----------------------------------------
      However, you are Kazakh phobia.
      1. essenger
        +7
        29 October 2012 20: 14
        And then Kazakhophobia? If Uiguria gains independence this is a blessing for Kazakhstan. Because the buffer will appear.
        1. +2
          29 October 2012 20: 27
          Quote: Essenger
          If Uiguria gains independence, it is good for Kazakhstan

          It’s good for Kazakhstan and for the Turkic world, but not for the Russian Federation and our other neighbors who are horrified when we just try to interact at the cultural level))
      2. +9
        29 October 2012 20: 24
        Quote: kosopuz
        However, you are Kazakh phobia.

        And what is my Kazakhophobia? Kazakhs are our brothers. And the Uighurs, having gained independence, will move the Chinese border from Kazakhstan and there will be fraternal people near Kazakhstan. But not China, which is trying to capture and settle everything around it !!!
        1. 0
          30 October 2012 12: 41
          Yeraz (1) Yesterday, 20: 24
          And what is my Kazakhphobia? Kazakhs are our brothers.
          ------------------------------------------
          Well - if so.
          It's just that for almost 10 years I lived in Central Asia, where, as you know, representatives of many nations lived with their historical nuances of relationships, including certain offenses.
          The Kazakhs whom I knew most disliked Uigurs, blaming them for the cruelty of redistributing the original Kazakh possessions in their favor with the construction of pyramids from the severed heads of Kazakh soldiers who defended their native steppes.
          1. Beck
            +1
            30 October 2012 13: 01
            Quote: kosopuz
            The Kazakhs whom I knew most disliked Uigurs, blaming them for the cruelty of redistributing the original Kazakh possessions in their favor with the construction of pyramids from the severed heads of Kazakh soldiers who defended their native steppes.


            Sorry. What are the pyramids of the heads? What kind of fairy tales? Kazakhstan, in the past, did not wage large-scale wars with East Turkestan (Xinjiang). Well, there were some mutual raids. Well, now there is an autonomous Ili district in Xinjiang, populated mainly by Kazakhs. And there is in Kazakhstan Chunjinsky district, inhabited mainly by Uyghurs. So, from that. None of them remember the pyramids. Of course there is friction, as without it. But this was everywhere and at all times.

            You probably said this when recalling the Russian artist Vereshchagin, who depicted a mountain of skulls, so he wrote about the era of the emir of Samarkand and the ruler of all Central Asia Timur.
            1. 0
              30 October 2012 14: 31
              By no means. I'm not confusing anything.
              I was in Gur-Emir at the tomb of Timur.
              It was in the Tretyakov Gallery in Vereshchaginsky Hall.
              But he spoke for life (and as it was before) with representatives of different nations, including the Kazakhs.
              It would be better that that opinion is actually a private one.
              But my interest is that all of Russia's Neighbors be fine and they happily live at home. Approximately as they now live in Kazakhstan (and even better), and not like in Tajikistan.
              Therefore, I am disturbed by the talk of an independent Uiguria, since it will not happen in a peaceful way, and additional refugees are also from previously peaceful Kazakhstan, to be honest, I don’t need anything.
              1. Beck
                +1
                30 October 2012 19: 11
                Kosopuzu.

                I agree, even if my opinion is private. But I understand your concern. You are right here. If in Xinjiang such a mess begins in Syria, Kazakhstan will not be enough. Although there will be a war of liberation, at least large-scale pacification.

                Sorry for the somewhat loose tone in the previous comment.
                1. 0
                  30 October 2012 20: 07
                  Beck hi ,
                  these are all empty balochki about the collapse of China.
                  1. Beck
                    0
                    30 October 2012 21: 09
                    Carlson.

                    At the moment, of course, empty and for the foreseeable future empty. But there are discussions here. I would like as I said. But the stories are on my desires .... But I would not want China to lead a solo in 10-15 years. After all, their mentality is not at all European.
    2. +3
      29 October 2012 14: 23
      Quote: Yeraz
      and the Uyghurs will gain independence

      And what about the Kurds ???
      1. +4
        29 October 2012 20: 28
        Quote: stariy
        And what about the Kurds ???

        And what have the Kurds to do with it?
        1. -1
          29 October 2012 22: 30
          Quote: Yeraz
          And what does the Kurds have to do with it

          Well, how do the Uyghurs deserve to get their state and there are no Kurds ??
          1. Beck
            +4
            30 October 2012 12: 22
            Quote: stariy
            Well, how do the Uyghurs deserve to get their state and there are no Kurds ??


            Something is unclear. Theme about China. And what does the Kurds have to do with it? You can also ask a question - What about the French-speaking province of Quebec in Canada?

            Where are the Kurds and where are the Uyghurs? At the place of residence.
  17. anchonsha
    +4
    29 October 2012 11: 27
    An interesting article, an analysis of the further development of world economic relations. Thank you so much. Very difficult economic and political situation in the world. I would like to hear the role of Russia in this world economic round dance. It is clear that economically, Russia has just begun its rise, while entering the open global economy and uncompromising fierce competition. Will Russia be allowed further sharks of world business in the person of the USA, EU, and China to pursue its policy of building up economic power. Taking into account the already begun pressure of the EU on allegedly disobeying Russia’s rules of the WTO game. Without the WTO, Russia also cannot rise from its knees. And to the traitors of the Motherland, whatever it is at the moment, a merciless Judas collar.
  18. WW3
    WW3
    +7
    29 October 2012 12: 03
    Gives out wishful thinking, however, the position of the dissident Liao Yiwu is understandable "offended" by the Motherland. God forbid, the processes of collapse begin in China - this is a nuclear state with a population 1,34 billion people. The communist regime there is just strong and successful, China is developing, and its reserves of Amer’s candy wrappers are almost 1,5 trillion. Doll.... bully
  19. sq
    +5
    29 October 2012 13: 04
    China has always been able to solve its internal problems quickly and without regard to the so-called "human rights". The life of an individual was worth and is cheaper there than a handful of rice (sand).
  20. Brother Sarych
    +6
    29 October 2012 13: 59
    It is strange that in such a huge China there was only one such holy fool!
    Probably, they searched for such a moron for a very long time, so that he would voice such good news for their ears ...
    1. +6
      29 October 2012 14: 55
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Probably a very long time looking for such a moron

      just not strange wink rather did not overlook.
  21. +3
    29 October 2012 15: 57
    Looks like Liao is not completely friends with his head. If the state is fragmented, then they will run even more amicably. Or he hopes that they will start to fight among themselves and eventually self-reduce. But then he is an enemy to his people.
  22. damba
    0
    29 October 2012 16: 33
    To be honest, I think that if the West wants to break the PRC let it do it without our participation if the PRC is divided into parts the world will not go astray there are many countries that will also become world workers our task is not to get into our own business
    1. essenger
      +3
      29 October 2012 20: 15
      Who do you mean by "our"?
  23. Bashkaus
    +17
    29 October 2012 16: 42
    Enough! Tired already with their cards, in which China takes the Far East. Of course, I respect the Chinese army, etc. He can draw his borders on contour maps as much as necessary, but do not forget two important things:
    1- Russia, if she doesn’t like the picture, she can erase it nuclear missilesoh eraser.
    2-Russia itself can draw anything on a contour map, and not only draw, but also realize it in reality.



    If anyone does not agree with paragraph-2, see paragraph-1
    1. +2
      29 October 2012 20: 23
      Bashacus
      Oh malats !!!!
      Why !!!
      Let me add your comment!
      When our ancestors did this, the Chinese lived in the Stone Age!
      Someone else for CER should give us the most eggs .............
      1. Bashkaus
        +1
        29 October 2012 21: 50
        Yeah, to the point! I first honestly wanted to pick up a simple contour, well, and paint the border as it should with the Russian Hrabin and the CER, and then I came across such beauty, it somehow turned out to be more impressive;)
    2. essenger
      +2
      17 February 2013 20: 04
      Nuclear weapons are not a panacea! Are you still sure that the Kremlin is ready to make such a political decision as the use of nuclear weapons?
  24. lm_
    +4
    29 October 2012 16: 48
    China still has the death penalty. So Bulk and others there will have to be tight.
  25. +4
    29 October 2012 16: 59
    In general, I am glad that against the background of the statements on this forum about the Chinese threat, our people for the most part reacted negatively to the collapse of China, although almost everyone dreams of a state collapse. IT COSTS A LOT!!!
    1. Bashkaus
      +3
      29 October 2012 17: 07
      The USA and China are two opposite polarities.
      If the United States grunts, then China will automatically too.
      The US actually consumes Chinese goods on credit, while China, as an exporter, depends on US consumption.
      The states will rise, China will rise. Even attempts to increase domestic consumption will have no effect. The trick is that goods are extremely cheap due to cheap labor. The United States will print more greens. You can increase the level of consumption only by increasing salaries, and this leads to an increase in the cost of goods. In short, a vicious circle is obtained.
      Of course, I’m not an economist to correctly explain all this, but well .... I feel
      1. +1
        29 October 2012 17: 55
        I think that if the states sink, China will have a bad time, but it will survive and maintain its integrity, especially if by this time the whole world has time to plant the whole yuan. Inexpensive goods are not only consumed by states, but the whole world. When the buck collapses, China will already have a fair amount of bilateral currency exchange agreements, and therefore the situation will be such that most countries will be able to trade for the most part only with China (the buck has collapsed, but there are no other mechanisms), respectively, products with existing competitors will be taken there (there will be nothing to settle with others).
        1. +1
          29 October 2012 19: 20
          Bashkaus Today, 17: 07
          The USA and China are two opposite polarities.
          If the United States grunts, then China will automatically too.
          The US actually consumes Chinese goods on credit, while China, as an exporter, depends on US consumption.
          The states will rise, China will rise. Even attempts to increase domestic consumption will have no effect. The trick is that goods are extremely cheap due to cheap labor. The United States will print more greens. You can increase the level of consumption only by increasing salaries, and this leads to an increase in the cost of goods. In short, a vicious circle is obtained.
          Of course, I’m not an economist to correctly explain all this, but well .... I feel
          The states will rise, the rest of the countries will rise. The dollar falls like a hydrocephalus thrown from a Spartan rock, but against the background of the fall of all currencies around it is imperceptible. Its rapid decline is absolutely logical, the United States is still embarrassed to talk about the number of dollars existing in the country, and there are enough of them to reduce their cost below the cost of the paper from which they are made. While our prices are clearly rising, in the USA they remain at the level of the 80s, although we do not have astronomical debts, the decline of the economy and post-industrial anarchy are not ours, exceeding the critical mass of the currency is not ours, but we are just witnessing rapid development, and in theory it should be the other way around. The United States crawls out of the swamp only relying on other countries and drowning them. And then China can win, just stepping aside
  26. Temnik1
    +1
    29 October 2012 17: 35
    Geeks are everywhere.
    Even in China.
    But this is the problem of the Chinese.
    But the 200-year-old card is interesting?
    Who considers these borders * the historical borders of China *?
  27. +1
    29 October 2012 18: 21
    how these "dissenters" got it. is there at least somewhere on Earth where this infection is not found? I understand that the government will go bad without criticism, but why spit in the soul of the people
  28. 0
    29 October 2012 20: 04
    Article minus. For the article again operates with models of liberal economic theory, based on an exclusively speculative model.

    With such a gloomy forecast, neither Europe nor the United States would be interested in the collapse of China. Rather, no matter what the Pentagon thinks, strengthening the Chinese economy is beneficial for the whole West.

    Firstly (the argument of the optimistic scenario), the collapse of China and the strengthening of the Chinese economy do not contradict each other much. If you have a laptop factory somewhere in Harbin, then provincial independence will just make the goods cheaper. Because the costs are reduced, and there is no one to stop the pressure from the customer. Logistics will not suffer very much. It’s just that instead of a very large one economy, some small ones will be created. Well, then you do not have one hell, what logo on the product - China or any province? Actually, how Catalonia is separated from Spain - so what? Will something change in terms of production? I doubt, given the cross-border business.

    Secondly (an apocalyptic scenario), if the economy of the PRC collapses at some point in general, then the West, which seems to be "afraid" of a fall in Chinese production, will remain in full:
    1 - means of production, for only the West makes them,
    2- funds for the restoration of collapsed industries in China somewhere in Indonesia, Turkey, Russia, the Philippines, etc. etc.
    3- production technology of everything and everything.
    In addition, China's huge infusion of Western economies will instantly depreciate (no one is sad when the lender dies). Just think, they’ll print more money.
    Moreover, all "bad" assets, all bubbles will be brought to China to stabilize the system.
    That is, in the medium term, the West will clear itself of bad debts, prices for goods will rise slightly (which is monopenisual for Europe or America, because they print money anyway how much is needed), but chaos will increase.

    And in this scenario we will have to tight - all the problems of confrontation will fall on us. So the West, of course, will be fiddling with China, but we can do it. But the fall of the country into the abyss is dangerous for us - otherwise we will have to build the Russian Great Wall. And why the hell do we need it ?.
  29. F-22
    0
    29 October 2012 20: 11
    Has anyone noticed the map?
    1. 0
      30 October 2012 12: 18
      This is a map of 1820, Empire of Qin. I wonder where Europe has such a passion for obsolete cards? wassat
  30. View
    0
    29 October 2012 21: 34
    horror, apocalypse! Who will produce the Cherry Amulet for us?
  31. 0
    30 October 2012 01: 14
    China has not yet ripened in order to fall apart. Some nonsense.
  32. 0
    30 October 2012 08: 08
    China's help to Europe is an opportunity to get rid of part of the dollars. That is why the EU refuses such assistance.
  33. Lech e-mine
    +3
    30 October 2012 08: 14
    Pouring mud at home to you (WHAT I WOULD THE BAD SHE WOULD NOT BE, THIS IS THE FUTURE OF DISSIDENTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS). It's the same as pouring mud over your MOTHER. I do not respect and BREAST SUCH PEOPLE.
  34. +1
    30 October 2012 08: 55
    Wow, how someone wants to ruin both China and Russia. What a modern colony would have turned out! Both the market and resources. I hope that we will not tolerate betrayal a second time, as in the collapse of the USSR. Experience has appeared.
  35. TULSKIY CAMOBAP
    +1
    30 October 2012 10: 29
    And China has its own "bulk".
  36. arthur_hammer
    0
    30 October 2012 10: 41
    let the chinas fall apart, we don’t need a strong neighbor baud sideways
  37. +2
    30 October 2012 11: 34
    I think China will ruin the gut of the United States, of course there will be attempts, more than one grief the patriot will come there and write how everything is shitty and Yezhov compared to the Chinese NKVD is just a darling. As this zealous whining is already tired, you need to be able to work, create, accustomed to sharing and robbing, that’s hell to you all, China will agree on the rest!
    If, to be honest, there’s also Korea and Japan stuck an atom on the map, well, not symmetrically, somehow laughing
    Just now I noticed which map is a curve
  38. +2
    30 October 2012 12: 05
    Liberals of any color, confession and education are strikingly similar to each other. As one textbook prepared. We heard these speeches back in the late 80s and early 90s, when we were ruined, now we hear them again, which means the country is on the right track.
    1. +1
      30 October 2012 12: 17
      Yes, the diagnosis of oranges laughing treated only with trepanation, prevention of castration-isolation, it’s even a little ridiculous, Starikov was still right that they cook all this kitchen according to one training manual, Russia and China are huge rakes, be careful every second when approaching us am
  39. Stasi.
    +3
    30 October 2012 17: 50
    All these dissidents are of descent from the middle layer of the population, who are not badly financially secure. If you look closely, you can see that among the dissidents very poor people are really rare. The poor do not give a damn about politics, a man preoccupied with a piece of daily bread does not enter into the mind of plaguing his country, he will seek work. And the fact that Westerners welcome such dissidents is a typical manifestation of their beloved double standards. Those who want to see the collapse of China will have to wait a very long time. In China, the experience of the collapse of the USSR was taken into account, there is a strong vertical of power and a strong economy. The Chinese will not allow the appearance of their Gorbachev and others like him, they are not fools. And if necessary, they will again teach a lesson to all the likes of Liao Yiwu, like Tiananmen. I regret just that we could not nail our dissidents and the like, if we had done so - and the USSR could exist in our days.
    1. 0
      30 October 2012 20: 09
      Quote: Stasi.
      I regret just that we could not nail our dissidents and the like, if we had done so - and the USSR could exist in our days.

      Yes sir!
  40. +2
    30 October 2012 21: 06
    "To crush the PRC, in his opinion, is necessary in order to ensure the security of all mankind."

    Somewhere we already heard it. Scum this Yiwu.
  41. Lustrator
    +1
    31 October 2012 03: 07
    Yeah, we fed a miscarriage.
    It is clear that each country has its own shortcomings, but such a thing to write about your homeland! The vile personality of this Yiwu. Although, if you read the story, there have been many at all times, and in all lands.

    It is strange that no one yells about the "garbage heap, covered with glaze" - an old woman-Europe, chock-full of rabid racists, provocateurs, prostitutes, drug addicts, pedophiles. Do they consider all this slag a freedom of manners? No matter how it is. And their whole history is an internecine doggie for a patch of swamp near the forest.
    We would remember who taught them how to wash!
    The abomination is malovannaya all this West. Court window dressing and cheap street theater.
  42. 0
    19 October 2017 07: 32
    The Chinese will always be Chinese, even if they have twenty Chinas, which means they will be a single people with a future. Unlike everyone else, ready to split up the streets or ladies, while calling themselves the name of these streets and houses.
  43. 0
    3 November 2017 08: 42
    Didn’t I see something on the map of Mongolia?
  44. 0
    29 January 2018 11: 56
    In a nutshell. The writer of me is not very. The worst tragedy of the 20th century is not two world wars and not a civil one ... The worst is the collapse of the USSR. For almost 30 years, it cripples lives and destinies. We still can’t recover ... The most terrible tragedy of the 21st century would be the collapse of China ....