Dark horses of the SVO: aviation weapons systems and ammunition, information on the use of which in Ukraine is limited or absent

In a previous post, we talked about air defense systems, information on the use of which in Ukraine is limited or absent. Now consider aviation complexes and ammunition that are used or can potentially be used in the course of NWO, but there is not enough information about them or it is not available at all.

Despite the fact that For a number of reasons, the Russian Air Force (VVS) failed to gain air supremacy over the territory of Ukraine, their influence on the course of hostilities is very significant. Everyone has heard about such aircraft as Su-30 and Su-35 fighters, Su-24 and Su-34 front-line bombers, Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-24 combat helicopters, but what information is limited?

Su-57

Of course, it is the latest Russian fifth-generation fighter that should be put in the first place. Information about the experimental use of the S-57 in the media periodically appears, but what exactly these machines did and what results they achieved is unknown, which, in principle, is quite explicable by secrecy issues.

Su-57. Image by wikipedia.org

And here we return to one of the most intriguing moments - the destruction of the Ukrainian Su-24 front-line bomber and Su-27 fighter in the depths of Ukrainian territory. As we said in the previous article, according to one version, they were destroyed by the S-300V anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) using a long-range anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM), according to another, by the Su-57 fighter using an air-to-air missile » long-range R-77M or R-37M. If Ukrainian planes were flying at low altitude, then they can only be destroyed using ground-based air defense systems at a distance of 200 kilometers only with missiles with an active radar homing head (ARLGSN) when target designation is issued from an early warning aircraft (AWACS) or from the same Su-57.

So who is it, S-300V or Su-57? If it was an S-300V air defense system, did it work independently or did it receive external target designation? From whom: from an AWACS aircraft, from a Su-57 or another fighter?

Tu-160 and Tu-95

The Tu-160 is another machine, on the use of which during the NWO there is very little information. From time to time there is information that long-range cruise missiles Kh-101, which are part of the ammunition load of Tu-160 supersonic strategic missile-carrying bombers, were used in the special operation. But the KR X-101 is also included in the ammunition load of the Tu-95 bombers, and it is not known exactly which of these machines was used to launch them.

Tu-160 and Tu-95. Image by wikipedia.org

On the one hand, the cost of a Tu-95 flight hour is clearly less, but on the other hand, Tu-160 pilots also need to train.

There is no information about the use of other strategic bombers weapons, except X-101. First of all, it is interesting whether free-falling ammunition was used from Tu-95 strategic bombers, for example, heavy anti-bunker bombs or high-explosive bombs of increased power of the FAB-5000 type? Can these planes use free-falling bombs at all, or is this work entirely at the mercy of the Tu-22M3?

Aviation vacuum bomb of increased power (AVBPM)

The “daddy of all bombs” is an ammunition that was definitely not used during the NWO. The question here is, rather, is it not time? The psychological effect of an explosion equivalent to 44 tons of TNT will be strong, and the physical damage will be rather big.

A frame from the Channel One report on the tests of the AVBPM

To the question "isn't it time" is added - "from which plane"? What machine is this ammunition intended for dropping, for the Tu-160 modified in the weapons compartment?

A-50 and Tu-214R

AWACS aircraft A-50 and strategic reconnaissance and control aircraft Tu-214R. Both of these machines are operated during the NWO, but with what efficiency? In principle, questions on the use of these machines by the author have already been raised in articles "Russian special operation in Ukraine: to dispel the fog of war", "Issues on the use of AWACS aircraft, reconnaissance and combat control during the NWO in Ukraine" и "Tu-214R in a special military operation in Ukraine: not even a year has passed".

A-50 and Tu-214R. Image by wikipedia.org

In general, everything is clear about the Tu-214R - there are only two of these machines, even theoretically they cannot provide round-the-clock support for the armed forces, but why there are so few of them is already an open question.

The situation with AWACS aircraft is not entirely clear. It seems that they are, but at the same time, Ukrainian aviation continues combat sorties and is quite active. Information about the newly shot down Ukrainian fighters, attack aircraft and helicopters appears, if not daily, then certainly weekly. For example, on November 04.11.2022, 25, a pair of Ukrainian Su-100 attack aircraft was seen near the city of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut). When patrolling an AWACS aircraft in the Luhansk region, the range to Artyomovsk is about 25 kilometers, and the Su-XNUMX is not an invisible aircraft, it has a fairly high effective dispersion surface (ESR) and even when flying at low altitudes had to be detected in advance. Why this happens is unclear...

IL-20M

Considering the shortage of Tu-214R type aircraft in our country, it would be logical to actively use their predecessors - Il-20M electronic reconnaissance aircraft. This machine is equipped with an Igla-1 side-scan radar with a phased antenna array designed for mapping the terrain on both sides of the flight path, A-87P photographic equipment, a Romb general electronic intelligence (RTR) system and a detailed RTR system "Square-2".

Il-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft. Image by wikipedia.org

Given the obvious problems of the RF Armed Forces with obtaining intelligence information, these vehicles could be in demand, even though their equipment is most likely outdated, but there is no information about their use during the NWO. On the other hand, it is possible that their equipment is so outdated that their use during the NWO will only be an imitation of vigorous activity.

Interestingly, is it possible to detect Starlink ground terminals with the help of "Rhombus" and "Square"? If yes, then it would be good to make the words Starlink and "suicide" synonymous.

Ka-31R

There is no information about the use of Ka-31R AWACS helicopters during the NWO. Actually, there’s nothing special to talk about here - the Naval fleet There are only two Russian Federations (China has 9 units, India has 14 units), it is not known what condition they are in.

AWACS Ka-31R helicopter. Image by wikipedia.org

On the other hand, they have the very place in the war - it makes no sense to wait for hypothetical future conflicts, it is necessary now, in the course of real hostilities, and not exercises, to work out the issues of using such equipment. Based on this, one can understand whether vehicles of this type are needed by the RF Armed Forces (certainly needed!) And what they should be like.

S-70 "Hunter"

This newest Russian UAV, apparently, has not yet been used in the course of the SVO, which is not surprising, given that vehicles of this type have not yet been launched into the series. On the other hand, given the information about the trial operation of the Su-57 aircraft during the NWO, it cannot be ruled out that the Okhotnik UAVs, which are designed to work in conjunction with the Su-57, can also be used to gain real experience in their combat use. and identifying further ways to improve their design.

UAV "Hunter". Image by wikipedia.org

UAV "Orion"

But the Orion UAV has been adopted and even supplied to the troops, but there is very little information about the operation of these complexes. Apparently, this is due to the fact that there are very few Orions themselves in the troops, and some of them, apparently, were lost during the hostilities - the wreckage of the Orion UAV was shown by some media. The latest information about the use of the Orion UAV during the NMD in Ukraine was published in the media in October - they destroyed several enemy armored vehicles in the Kherson region.

UAV "Orion". Image by wikipedia.org

Yak-130

Combat training aircraft (UBS), it would seem, where is he going to war? And on the other hand, what's the point of ruining the expensive Su-30 and Su-35 when working with unguided munitions at subsonic speed at ultra-low altitude?

At the same time, the Yak-130 is also positioned as a light attack aircraft. This two-seat vehicle is easily manoeuvrable as it is designed to train novice pilots, it has two pilots with good visibility and three tons of payload, including R-73 air-to-air missiles and unguided munitions. The Yak-130 can even operate from unpaved airfields, it has a low cost per flight hour, and it itself is several times (presumably 4-5 times) cheaper than the Su-30 or Su-35.

UBS Yak-130. Image by wikipedia.org

Let's dwell on this for now, the list of aviation systems and ammunition, information on the use of which during the SVO is not available or insufficient, readers can add in the comments.

Comments

[Toucan]

What's the point in talking about something you don't know? Another empty article for the sake of a fee.

[Architect]

What's the point in talking about something you don't know? Another empty article for the sake of a fee

Maybe the author is just collecting information?
You never know who of the talkative and talkative will blurt out something.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Not for the sake of a fee, but for the existence of the site. In order for the site to have enough funds to pay, authors need a lot of content. Readers like my articles, but even sitting without work, I could write no more than 2-3 articles a week. And when I work - 1-2 per month, and then not in everyone. As a result, the administration has to ask staff writers to write quickly and on "not their own" topics. That is, reducing the quality of a piece of content is a conscious and necessary action.
Do not agree - write articles for VO, there will be less low-quality content :)

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Do not agree - write articles for VO, there will be less low-quality content :)

Well, I don't know... my husband's next article has been waiting in line for almost a week. So, Andrei, your arguments are not entirely justified.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: zyablik.olga

Well, I don't know... my husband's next article has been waiting in line for almost a week.

This is fine. Good articles don't fall out in droves. For example, when I was not working, I posted 2-3 articles on Saturday and Sunday, and they got to the main one in turn with a run-up of several days.
And as for the validity of the arguments - talk to Roman Skomorokhov, if you want

[SincerityX]

But I don’t agree that this article is “not good”, it’s just that some of the “site residents” are somewhat spoiled. From this article, at least for myself, I learned that the Yak-130, as I expected, will show itself from the best side, like a 4 ++ aircraft, since it has good flight abilities even with the naked eye. And this is even considering the fact that it is 2-seater. If there is another 1 local option, or a variant with a weapon controlled by the co-pilot - UAV / ATGM / turret, then this will be a very interesting car.

But "Orion", this is a complete hat, they copied it in vain, it would be better if they made their own.

And also, it’s very sad news that we have monstrous prowess in long-range reconnaissance aviation, in terms of their electronic equipment.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from SincerityX

From this article, at least I learned for myself that the Yak-130, as I expected, will show itself from the best side, like a 4 ++ aircraft

Well, if you managed to draw such conclusions based on the lack of experience in the combat use of an aircraft (God forbid, by the way), then ...

[SincerityX]

The Myanmar Air Force used Russian-supplied Yak-130 combat trainers against separatist militants in Rakhine state. Strikes on them became the actual "baptism of fire" of the car. A video released by the separatists shows a Yak-130 striking with unguided rockets. The militants are trying to shoot down the attacking aircraft with a Chinese QJZ-89 heavy machine gun, but their attempt is unsuccessful.

Well, according to the Internet, he was already used in battles a couple of years ago, and apparently, very successfully.

PS There are even articles dated 19 that a fully combat version of this machine is being developed.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from SincerityX

Well, if you believe the Internet,

We, as it were, are talking about an article and NWO. Well, if you believe the Internet, then the Yak-130 was used against irregular bandits with small arms who tried to shoot back from a machine gun :)))) Awesome proof of combat effectiveness by 4 ++ :))))))

Quote from SincerityX

a fully combat version of this machine is being developed

Not for the Russian Aerospace Forces, but for the third world, although there is unlikely to be success

[SincerityX]

We, as it were, are talking about an article and NWO.

If we had at least one intelligent strategist, then the situation would be similar to the video.

Not for the Russian Aerospace Forces, but for the third world, although there is unlikely to be success

This is a very small aircraft, with very good maneuverability, while the combat load is three tons. In addition, this plane has 2 crew members, which means it can use bonuses from it, guided weapons, reconnaissance and guidance tools, and even bombing without being distracted by piloting is more convenient, and even more so with CABs with escort along the entire trajectory. So I think that the airplane has the right to life. And given that it is four times cheaper than Sushki (according to the author of the article), and our hunger for aviation, it has many rights to exist in order to quickly saturate the troops with flyers. Everything else is superficial, because a country with developed air defense will equally well have in an afterburner either a 5th generation aircraft or this one. But unlike the 5th generation aircraft, a lot of these can be riveted.
Matrasnikov, at the mention MiG-21 still starting to shake. nearly twelve thousand pieces, and how many more China has riveted ... If we have even ten thousand pieces, at least the Yak-130 and the determination to use them, the mattresses will think 5 times before climbing somewhere.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from SincerityX

This is a very small plane, with very good maneuverability.

Which does not have anything that a combat aircraft should have.

Quote from SincerityX

while the combat load is three tons.

Of which more than two will be taken away by the installation of radar, OLS and electronic warfare and energizers to make it all work. Don't forget, the Yak-130 avionics in its standard version does not have any of this, there is only an imitation for training cadets. Well, there will still be room for the NURS block or a hanging container with an autocannon, but for everything else - it’s unlikely. And the Yak130 will not fly far with such a load.
In general, "a proud Yak flies in the sky ... "

[SincerityX]

Which does not have anything that a combat aircraft should have.

Like what?

Of which more than two will be taken away by the installation of radar, OLS and electronic warfare and energizers to make it all work. Don't forget, the Yak-130 avionics in its standard version does not have any of this, there is only an imitation for training cadets. Well, there will still be room for the NURS block or a hanging container with an autocannon, but for everything else - it’s unlikely. And the Yak130 will not fly far with such a load.
In general, "a proud Yak flies in the sky ... "

You are talking nonsense. On board Yakov (except for the first 100) was originally the KRET radar, which was developed specifically for him, after which they began to put Bars-130 on him.
Its minus is not in this, it has rather weak engines, which do not allow it to gain supersonic sound. Those. this is a purely subsonic aircraft.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from SincerityX

You are talking nonsense

Really? And I was polite to you.

Quote from SincerityX

On board Yakov (except for the first 100) was originally KRET radar, which was developed specifically for him

Once again, for the especially gifted. The combat load recommended by you refers to the BASIC version of the aircraft. In which there is no radar. Have you installed a radar? Alas, the carrying capacity has decreased, and part of the engine power is now involved in its operation. Do you want an aiming system? Not a problem - in a hanging container. EW? To the pylons. Instead of air-to-air missiles. And then you take a calculator and start counting what's left for the payload. And to the cost of a quarter of Su, also do not forget to add the cost of the radar, and electronic warfare and ols and everything you want to hang there.
What's hard to understand here?

[SincerityX]

Once again, in basic aircraft version is included radar. Because it's educationalcombat airplane. And yeah, I didn't get personal, you know.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from SincerityX

Once again, the basic version of the aircraft includes a radar. Because it is a combat training aircraft.

It is not included, which is why it was not in the first hundred delivered. It was provided as an option, and it seems that its installation required a redesign of the bow.

Quote from SincerityX

And yeah, I didn't get personal, you know.

They just wrote that I'm talking nonsense

[SincerityX]

It is not included, which is why it was not in the first hundred delivered.

The first hundred is a "pre-production batch", at that time they did not have a sufficiently compact and satisfying radar, and the aircraft had to be presented, therefore they were released "as is". At least what I heard at the level of rumors. In any case, now the radar is being installed on these machines. A modern combat aircraft cannot work with most types of weapons without an onboard radar, and this aircraft "out of the box" can work not only with "pencils".

and it seems that its installation required a redesign of the bow.

Most likely, they simply replaced the plug cone with a cone made of radio-transparent material, but these are my assumptions.

They just wrote that I'm talking nonsense

In any case, neither conversation nor discussion will come out of rudeness. Do not be like any green

[svoroponov]

There is no proluvr. They just made equipment for the tasks that were set and that at that time satisfied the military, and based on the budget. Times change, requests change.
Regarding the Yak -130. Now they are understaffing training units in aviation schools. Plus, several foreign supply contracts are working.
As for the rest of the aircraft, everything is not as bad as it seems. They make new ones and reconstruct old ones with new equipment. Many functions of such aircraft are solved by satellites and electronic intelligence equipment.

[Wildcat]

Not for the sake of a fee, but for the existence of the site. In order for the site to have enough funds to pay, authors need a lot of content. Readers like my articles, but even sitting without work, I could write no more than 2-3 articles a week.

Then, not for the sake of Internet holivar, but "life-giving clickbait for" you just have to state that while Mitrofanov writes articles about what Mitrofanov does not know, normal authors threaten that they will write articles "1-2 per month, and then not every"!

Ok, it’s clear that about aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers it’s either good or nothing.

Well, the continuation of the Verb can be written? There at the end was the plot of a new part!

And can one write about submerged and especially semi-submerged kamikaze vehicles? The material is there! And someone controlled them (through the same Internet from Mask, through a repeater, or in general - someone was in the line of sight!).

[bayard]

Quote: Wildcat

And can one write about submerged and especially semi-submerged kamikaze vehicles? The material is there! And someone controlled them (through the same Internet from Mask, through a repeater, or in general - someone was in the line of sight!).

Most likely it was the "Global Hawk" (ruled) loitering over the Black Sea.

[Alex20042004]

For some this is educational.
_____

[Bingo]

Well, let's say there is such a feature, it's more interesting ... Aviation and astronautics, for example, are wondering why the hell ours always hang 500-kg OFAB, it's expensive ... And less accurate. Again, during a salvo drop, the waves overlap (Katyusha effect), so there is more sense from the simultaneous detonation of many "hundred parts" if you do not need to carry a "heavy" object, and their Indians hang up to 30 pieces on the Su-32:

I myself have never been a flyer, but there is no reason not to believe a highly specialized magazine ...

[Polite Moose]

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why the hell do ours always hang 500-kg OFAB, it's expensive ... And less accurate.

If the enemy does not have air defense systems more powerful than MANPADS, then it is logical for aviation to rise to heights of more than 5 km. and from there strike with impunity. For this, the SVP-24 complex was developed, which allowed the usual "cast iron" to hit targets with an accuracy commensurate with guided munitions. But since we are talking about application heights of 5 km. and higher, then the dependence of the stability (drift) of a free-falling air bomb on the trajectory on its caliber comes into force. The heavier the battery, the higher the accuracy.
PS It's a pity he left the site "Ancient". He wrote very intelligibly and interestingly on aviation topics.

[Bingo]

Quote: Polite Elk

But since we are talking about application heights of 5 km. and higher

But since we are talking about Ukraine, then we are talking about exactly below 5000

[Polite Moose]

Quote from Bingo

But since we are talking about Ukraine, then we are talking about exactly below 5000

In Ukraine, aviation has generally gone to ultra-low altitudes. And from them 500 kg. use is risky. Maybe the carrier will hook.

[Toucan]

Not only did our aviation go to low altitudes, but they don’t fly beyond the front line deeper than 20 km.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Tucan

and they don’t fly beyond the front line deeper than 20 km.

Quite justified. If something happens, the PSS may not be in time. And here I have a question: if our aviation was driven to low altitudes, in principle, by our own, relatively outdated S-300, Buk and OSA, then why do the unparalleled BKOs not play the first fiddle in air raids? All these "Khibiny", "Leverage", "Vitebsk", etc.? At the very least they help from MANPADS. And from more serious systems?

[Dimax-nemo]

Because it turned out that the S-300 is not as outdated as everyone would like. No one has yet had the experience of suppressing air defense in the 80s. on such a scale. Even X-31 or X-58 is a game of Russian roulette. You can have time to launch your rocket, and it will kill the radar, but this will not help you.

[bayard]

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

No one has yet had the experience of suppressing air defense in the 80s. on such a scale. Even X-31 or X-58 is a game of Russian roulette. You can have time to launch your rocket, and it will kill the radar, but this will not help you.

This means that the methods need to be changed - not to conduct a search by a fighter, but to launch a "provocateur", take the bearing of the radar and drone - additional reconnaissance, defeat. So it looks like they are starting to work now. And quite effectively, judging by the video reports.
And it's time to return to the concept of a light and cheap front-line aircraft - an attack aircraft and a fighter. Which \\ should be massive, easily mastered, unpretentious in operation and repair. And to revive the DOSAF flight schools and aviation clubs ... AT THE STATE ACCOUNT, because such a personnel reserve for mobilization aviation will be trained.
I would return to the screw attack aircraft - for operations from low altitudes in the frontline zone. They argued a lot about this and shared their wishes, but they couldn’t find a suitable engine. They say it is necessary in 1000 - 1500 l / s. And there is no such thing. They wanted to get a turboshaft of 1500 l \ s. for the Ka-62, but ... couldn't.
And this is the main reason - inertia of thinking. An aircraft of this kind should not have an experienced and findepers engine, but a reliable and maximally worked out one.
No power of 1500 l \ s?
But there is VK-2500 - the most common and massive (or its analogue) from our medium helicopters. Power 2200 - 2400 l \ s.
A lot of ??
Oh-li. We recall the power of the engines of the latest WWII fighters and attack aircraft. And lo and behold - there was about the same power. But speeds up to 650 - 700 km / h!
Our attack aircraft can be a little smaller, but the excess power can be used for decent armor and a decent bomb / payload.
And what will we get as a result?
Even cooler than the Super Tucano.
It is not difficult to master piloting such an aircraft, the training period can be safely reduced, compared with jet pilots. But initial flight training can be conducted at DOSAF and Aviation Schools / Aero Clubs.
Or do you think that such an attack aircraft will be less effective than our attack helicopters?
The payload will be no less, the speed is 2 - 2,5 times higher, the security is approximately at the level of the Mi-24 \ 35. The price is 2-3 times cheaper than a helicopter.
This is a real mobilization aircraft / light attack aircraft. Designing it is much easier than a helicopter or a jet plane, bringing it to a series too. Base on any unpaved airfield or sections of the highway. And there can actually be a LOT of them.

[Dimax-nemo]

Uh ..... everything is so easy .... I suspect that after reading your first paragraph, the Air Force officers simply cursed and did not continue to read. In theory, it is "clear" how to do it. But no one has done this with the S-300 so far. To us. And Buk, an infection, is very tenacious, in the sense that its radars are "smeared" with a thin layer on the launchers.

Let's just say that the conflict with NATO was (was considered) the most dangerous for us. In which our fighters would definitely not be up to suppressing enemy air defense. It seemed more logical to gouge them with cruise missiles. And a small country, as a rule, does not have serious air defense, everything could have been for this, but it was spent quickly. Ukraine is neither one nor the other.

I was even offended by the engine for the Ka-62. It is being made, VK-1600, instead of Rybinsk. Now the certification of the Ka-62 has been suspended, because it is 60% of foreign components, by no means only the engine. If all this is replaced, then again the Ka-60 will work. In addition to VK-2500, there is also TV7-117.

Do you think the Stinger will not hit your turboprop attack aircraft? I recently read that even Orlans are shooting down MANPADS by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[bayard]

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

.. I suspect that after reading your first paragraph, the Air Force officers simply cursed and did not continue to read.

Either you did not understand what my first paragraph was about, or you mixed the two parts of what was stated. There is no need to teach the Air Force command about detecting active air defense systems with a simulator with a corner reflector, they have been using it from the first days of the NMD - the footage was about "practical targets" shot down by the Sumerians, when they racked their brains "what is it?" . But there were no shock or "kamikaze" UAVs then in the troops. Now they are combining.
But the fact that for a long time our fighters provoked air defense systems at themselves in the hope of a sufficient range of the Kh-31, and the enemy air defense systems turned on only at the time of capture / launch on external target designation from AWACS aircraft, and led to considerable losses of aviation.
Now the search, additional reconnaissance and destruction of air defense systems are carried out by the Lancets and Cubas. And it is right .
And about a light propeller-driven attack aircraft, that's another story, and work on this topic began back in the late USSR, several options were proposed, such a machine did not have time to appear before the death of the Union. In the 00s \ 10s, this topic was again attended to, but the question of the engine arose. They didn’t have a piston or turboshaft, a glider seemed to appear, but that was the end of the matter. And the problem is precisely that such an engine will not appear soon, it will be raw, it will be needed for helicopters ... And everything creeps into the long term.
A stormtrooper is needed yesterday.
And not at all to combat air defense , here it is the last thing interesting. But to become a cheaper, faster and more practical alternative to a combat helicopter, to train pilots for which is much easier, faster and cheaper - completely.
And yes - MANPADS will be as effective on a turboshaft engine as on helicopters. Therefore, a protection complex will be needed on such attack aircraft.

[Dimax-nemo]

Yes, there are a lot of things "needed", which the Aerospace Forces "know" very well about. Question - is it available in commercial quantities? The same Kh-31, Kh-58, Kh-59 planning bombs. How many sets of hanging containers REP-RTR are there? How many of the same false targets are there, and are there false targets suspended directly on the plane? A lot of both are needed to fool the head with a multi-channel air defense system. And in general, more aircraft are needed to allocate air defense suppression groups and so on. Lancet - well, not quite for this. Purely tactical. The range is still too small.

They dreamed of a light screw attack aircraft in the USA, as many as three times, at least. But the US Air Force is like a dog in the manger, neither to itself nor to people. The A-37 themselves were thrown out (it is not propeller-driven, but in the same "universe"), and army aviation is not allowed to start any attack aircraft. As a result, the army took up the UAV. Particularly poor - Tukano wellcome.

"About us" I only know about the alleged development of an attack aircraft in the event "after" Armageddon, for which everything that could be found should have been used. Up to the "fuselages" of the Mi-24. And, yes - in one of the options 2 TV7-117. But it is by no means certain that it was.

[bayard]

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

Question - is it available in commercial quantities? The same Kh-31, Kh-58, Kh-59 planning bombs.

With planning bombs, it’s a bit tight for us - they appeared late, did little, fly / plan not far. In any case, the enemy has such bombs that fly farther and have enough of them. That is why we see the heroism of our aviation at low level with cast iron.

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

How many of the same false targets are there, and are there false targets suspended directly on the plane?

Of those that I saw from the chronicle, from the beginning of the company, target UAVs with a corner reflector were used, these are those that were used for training and firing exercises of air defense systems. But you can time the hunt for air defense systems by the time of the raids of the KR and Geraniums, when their air defense is turned on. But of course, work to suppress air defense must be carried out systematically, continuously and purposefully. 9 months of SVO is a sufficient period to realize the need for this and give a task to the industry. Until then, use what you have. Apparently, they are used - there were reports from / to about "the strange behavior of Russian missiles and UAVs - they fly in circles." This campaign was precisely the targets-provocateurs.

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

Lancet - well, not quite for this. Purely tactical. The range is still too small.

The range of the "Lancet" is under 100 km. , video signal transmission range - 40 km. For the frontline zone, it’s quite enough. You can generally compose such a combination when the conditional "Orion" takes four "Lancets" on a suspension, brings them into the search zone, starts up and provides a signal relay to the launcher. Indeed, against the air defense system and radar "Lancet" showed itself quite well.

Quote: Dimax-Nemo

"About us" I only know about the alleged development of an attack aircraft in case "after" Armageddon,

Not only - the war in Afghanistan showed that such an attack aircraft is also in demand for low-intensity conflicts, for police, anti-guerrilla missions and to ensure border control. There were, as it were, a dozen and a half layout schemes, including those with a pusher propeller and two tail booms.
In our reality, these would be in demand for the Border Troops, the Russian Guard, in the Aerospace Forces in the southern direction (Central Asia), where there remains a threat of a breakthrough by armed bands from Afghanistan, in case local bands of shaitans counteract. Well, yes - for the post-apocalyptic period, which must also be met in readiness (which, unfortunately, is not about us).

[Dimax-nemo]

1. These targets for practice shooting are still not quite what you need here. By the range of the control channel in the first place. Then we need decoys "on board". It seems that they were working on them, it seems that there should even be something, but in open sources, apart from hints, I did not find anything else. Ukraine also worked on such, at least on towed ones. Could and "partners" help them. Back in the spring - at the beginning of the summer, ground generals were not particularly interested in the problems of the airborne forces in suppressing air defense. I don't know how it is now.

2. The Lancet itself will fly to the S-300 only for 20-30 minutes, during which time it will leave. In total, he has a flight time of 60 minutes, after all, this is not quite a barrage of ammunition. You need a preliminary control center, and 40 km. - already optimistic.
The manufacturer of Smerch already some time ago offered a 300 mm missile, which carries an UAV as a warhead. Not shock, however, but reconnaissance. And it weighs less than 100 kg. with a pulsating engine and all the ensuing consequences. Our MO was not interested.

3. We have turboprop attack aircraft in the category for the poor. MO is not interested in such things. What happened to us from UTS. Now such an aircraft or UAV could also be interesting as a drone fighter (or helicopters, which was offered back in the 80s, but not with us).

[bayard]

Quote: Polite Elk

In Ukraine, aviation has generally gone to ultra-low altitudes. And from them 500 kg. use is risky. Maybe the carrier will hook.

If the aviation went to ultra-small, then even the Su-34 is the height of blasphemy to send out for such tasks. But we see both the Su-35 and Su-30 in such a role.
Few Su-25s?
There really wasn't much. And as always, it turned out that this was the most useful aircraft for the war. And there are less than 200 of them. in line. And it would be nice, without further ado, to resume its production, because the resource of old horses is not endless, and there is no comparable replacement for it.
Yak-130 - as an option for fishlessness (so as not to drive Su-35 and Su-30) would also fit. It just doesn’t look like there are superfluous ones - young pilots are being trained for them. And if it is released specifically as an attack aircraft, then immediately remake the cabin into a single one. And instead of the front seat (etc.), put a radar and OLS. So he will fit as a light transonic fighter, not only to storm. It's just too late to do it already - the road is a spoon for dinner, and a plane for war.

[Dimax-nemo]

About a hundred Su-25s are in storage, in their original, so to speak, form. Yak-130 would be
a very cynical option with an excess of pilots. What is not observed. So MiG Foreva.

[novel66]

There is no reason not to believe a highly specialized magazine.

possible and necessary, because

free-falling ammunition from Tu-95 strategic bombers

it is impossible to use, due to the lack of even a bomb sight

[Bingo]

It's about something else. About the fact that five hundred are hung on the front line, including those with multiple warheads, and they are expensive ... They didn’t stutter about the Tu-95, so again, I don’t see any reason not to believe

[novel66]

impossible!!! only Tu-22s have the ability to carry and use bomb weapons

[Bingo]

Is the Su-30 with the FAB-100 clearly visible? And why is a pure fighter in general - these are Migi-interceptors. the rest suddenly fighter-bombers? Well, one dog. they asked a simple question and not about that - why the heck are 500s, when hundreds are IN THE SAME case and cheaper and more efficient

[novel66]

not in all cases weaving is more effective, sometimes a large caliber is needed

[Dimax-nemo]

Come on? Tu-95MS left without a sight?

[novel66]

I don’t know about MS, but the dismantling of drums for rockets. just to hang a cast iron - stupid. Is there really a bomber?

Tu-95MS does not have sighting equipment for the use of free-falling ammunition.

from https://arsenal-info.ru/pub/voennye-samolety/tu-95ms-medved-sizery-dvigatel-ves-istoriya-dalnost-poleta-prakticheskiy-potolok

[SincerityX]

Ummm .... one "weave" weighs 100kg, 32 pieces will weigh 3200kg. The combat load is 4 tons, but this is with a gun ... So xs, until I personally see it, I will consider it a theory :)

[Radical]

There is no information about the use of Ka-31R AWACS helicopters during the NWO. Actually, there’s not much to talk about here - there are only two such machines in the Russian Navy (China has 9 units, India has 14 units), it is not known what condition they are in.

And what is the question, why is the author confused by the number of 2 pieces? For naval parades in the Baltic, and in Sevastopol, it’s quite enough ....

[VasyaRules]

Here are the facts. Some kind of chimera instead of a trained army. Consider no reconnaissance, satellites, as I understand it, too, tanks and typhoons are left to the enemy, while instead of using conscripts, for some reason, they mobilize the population working for this army, too. What was the point of starting all this if nothing was ready and the maximum with whom it was possible to fight with a small army?

[Zoer]

Quote from VasyaRules

The point in general was to start all this if nothing was ready and the maximum with whom it was possible to fight it with a small army

The point is that the naked king thought that the vertical could do anything. After all, according to reports in folders with strings, this is exactly what happened. And even the number of churov was welcomed. But then all of a sudden the Ukrainians and the amers didn't give a damn about the vertical, daddies and the numbers of churov. And now we serfs have to rake it all up.

[FRoman1984]

Quote from VasyaRules

Here are the facts. Some kind of chimera instead of a trained army. Consider no reconnaissance, satellites, as I understand it, too, tanks and typhoons are left to the enemy, while instead of using conscripts, for some reason, they mobilize the population working for this army, too. What was the point of starting all this if nothing was ready and the maximum with whom it was possible to fight with a small army?

I think he himself has already realized this, that all plans, reports turned out to be crap. The army is not motivated, the equipment is burned out, there is no intelligence (according to the level of Petrov and Bashirov, this was already clear), support and ratings are melting. Just do it, you can't play anything anymore. Shameful world, which will be its end, or victory due to the loss of population, forced to pay for the blood mistakes. What will he choose?

[IgorZ]

Quote: FRoman1984

Quote from VasyaRules

Here are the facts. Some kind of chimera instead of a trained army. Consider no reconnaissance, satellites, as I understand it, too, tanks and typhoons are left to the enemy, while instead of using conscripts, for some reason, they mobilize the population working for this army, too. What was the point of starting all this if nothing was ready and the maximum with whom it was possible to fight with a small army?

I think he himself has already realized this, that all plans, reports turned out to be crap. The army is not motivated, the equipment is burned out, there is no intelligence (according to the level of Petrov and Bashirov, this was already clear), support and ratings are melting. Just do it, you can't play anything anymore. Shameful world, which will be its end, or victory due to the loss of population, forced to pay for the blood mistakes. What will he choose?

So far, he has chosen not to make any decisions. I do not think that our army in such a composition is simply quantitatively capable of something. And in order to carry out the second wave of mobilization, uniforms and equipment are needed, but there is none. How many Artemovsk in Ukraine and how many people need to put in each. He expects Ukraine and the West to get tired of the war. And they will not get tired, but Russia will get tired.

[Dimax-nemo]

It is (more precisely, it was), except for satellites (it’s not entirely clear on satellites, I’m still working in orbit, or not anymore), but in quantities sufficient for conditional “Georgia”, and not for Ukraine, which got mountains of Soviet weapons , and which even in 25 years did not have time to plunder everything. And to which more weapons are now being supplied on credit than their annual defense budget.
We spent on defense about the same as Great Britain and somewhat more than France. Compare how much they have, even combined, and what we had on 24/02. I think you will be in for a surprise. For the Americans, for example, the number of cruise missiles used by Russia turned out to be an unpleasant surprise. As well as the consumption of ammunition in general. We just could not spend more money, and we got the "tool" that we could afford. Not such a bad tool, but not up to the task - to defeat a country with a population of 40 million people with warehouses for the Soviet front, which is supported by NATO. They didn't want to fight her. Unfortunately, what was planned turned into what is happening now. This is a problem of goal setting and planning.

[Yellow bubble]

Everything is negotiable, we are consumables in the hands of the dishonest, soon a year of drawing a lottery for the Russians, we were bred like sugar in tea, only tea is bitter for the whole country, we are in the occupation of foreigners.

[Lucy]

And who is this talker - Andrey Mitrofanov?

[Timur_kz]

In general, AWACS aircraft should be enough, the same A50s are nine pieces, two IL214R, IL20 as many as nineteen. The A50 can spot the torch from rocket launches at ranges up to 800 km! They don’t even need to fly into Ukraine, fly along calmly. But for some reason, the Hymers cannot catch. A tank column is seen at 250 km. The quantity is enough to regularly patrol the theater of operations (the Americans also do not have hundreds of Avaxes, about 30-32 somewhere). I don't know why there are such problems.

Most of all, it is not the fact of a shortage of weapons that freezes us out, but the sluggishness and slowness of the military-industrial complex. It was possible to buy two dozen Tu214s from a citizen, Almaz-Antey could make a bunch of AFAR for carcasses in six months, other enterprises for the same period optics + electronics. The UAC could provide all the capacities of its enterprises, including civilian ones ... nothing, they would have waited a year with ms21, one hell does not fly. Now, in eight months, there would be a fleet of modern Tu214r. Not to mention the modernization of the IL20, of which there are already 19 pieces!

[Dimax-nemo]

It’s not even the planes themselves that are the problem, but their “stuffing” is for the plane. At this technological level, we have never done this before.

[Timur_kz]

Well, what's the problem? Just like an aviation complex, perhaps. Do they do air defense of all echelons? Do. Do you need any special AFAR? No, everything is there, everything is ready, there are also optical-electronic stations for monitoring satellites. Just competently put together and that's all - this requires sufficient funding and the maximum interest of the military-political leadership.

[Dimax-nemo]

A very special AFAR compared to ground and ship ones. Very strict restrictions on dimensions, weight and power consumption. And everything else is in the same vein.

[Zoer]

. First of all, it is interesting whether free-falling ammunition was used from Tu-95 strategic bombers, for example, heavy anti-bunker bombs or high-explosive bombs of increased power of the FAB-5000 type?

Dreamer, you called me, well, I ...
The author is clearly out of touch. What kind of strategists with free-falling bombs, when all the work of aviation there is only at an extremely low altitude, up to 100 m? Have you seen enough parades?
Didn't even read further. Another low-grade propaganda.

[Figvam]

if the author swears in the Belgorod region, then he will clearly enough hear that a propeller-driven aircraft is almost constantly buzzing in the air
guess what animal it is?

[WapentakeLokki]

Quote from VasyaRules

Here are the facts. Some kind of chimera instead of a trained army. Consider no reconnaissance, satellites, as I understand it, too, tanks and typhoons are left to the enemy, while instead of using conscripts, for some reason, they mobilize the population working for this army, too. What was the point of starting all this if nothing was ready and the maximum with whom it was possible to fight with a small army?

..yeah, well, just like .. Shelezyak's planet .. there are no minerals ... no air ... inhabited by robots ..

[Dimax-nemo]

The Yak-130 is not enough even for flight schools. It got to the point that they will continue to operate the L-39, on which the expiration date of the squib catapults has expired. They listened to the smart and businesslike, and instead of the TCB they made a "combat training one that will be sold on the world market." It is indeed sometimes sold, but its price tag is already like that of a "under-fighter". Even the few flight schools that remained were strangled by the toad. On the CP-10, as far as I understand, the bolt was also hammered.
I see no reason to recall the Ka-31, given their number. They are needed for Kuznetsov, who is still going to be repaired.
Su-57, perhaps, was used in the test mode. But even one squadron is not yet equipped with them, it makes no sense to talk about their combat readiness.
Tu-214 just cherish. They seemed to be flying there, I don’t know how much it made sense, they can “work” not so far from the S-300.
A-50, most likely, works, but over the territory of Russia until 24/02.
I see no reason to talk about Tu here - both of them launch missiles, most likely. What else does the author want from them - carpet bombing? There are no such possibilities.
For some reason, the author ignored the MiG-29SMT, MiG-29K, M and MiG-35. Strange, right? They are still in service.

[buslaif]

On the one hand, the cost of a Tu-95 flight hour is clearly less, but on the other hand, Tu-160 pilots also need to train.
You will not even find Tu-95 aircraft in a landfill today. The aircraft you presented is the Tu-95 MS. The armament of the Tu-95 is bombs. The bomb load of the Tu-95 aircraft is normal 6 tons, in overload up to 12 tons or more. The aircraft had one thermally stabilized cargo compartment, where free-falling (including nuclear) aviation bombs with a caliber of up to 9000 kg can be placed. The Tu-95MS does not have sighting equipment for the use of free-falling ammunition. It was armed with the KR Kh-55. It is not worth listing other differences, they have been written about in VO for a long time.