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Pentagon official estimated the consumption of artillery shells by Ukrainian and Russian troops

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Pentagon official estimated the consumption of artillery shells by Ukrainian and Russian troops

The American press cites a statement by one of the Pentagon officials regarding the artillery confrontation in Ukraine. The official's name, however, is not mentioned.


An employee of the US Department of Defense estimated the approximate number of daily artillery shells consumed by Ukrainian and Russian troops during the armed conflict. According to him, Ukrainian troops fire daily from 4000 to 7000 artillery rounds during battles, while the RF Armed Forces fire many times more: about 20.

Earlier, Western experts said that the consumption of ammunition by Ukrainian troops is such that partner countries often do not have time to replenish it in a timely manner. In addition, the Ukrainian military, when using NATO howitzers and self-propelled guns, exceed the daily limits for firing from them, which leads to accelerated wear of the barrels and the need to send this equipment for repairs within 2-3 weeks after its delivery to Ukraine. It also takes into account the fact that equipment delivered to Ukraine is most often not new.

Also, a Pentagon official, quoted by Politico, says that soon the weather can stop the fighting, and “the front will stabilize around Kharkov and Bakhmut.” An interesting statement, especially considering that there are no Russian troops around Kharkov now.

From a material with reference to an employee of the American military department:

It should also be noted that the fate of Kherson may be decided within the next 2-3 weeks.

The official claims that in the spring hostilities will resume with renewed vigor. At the same time, it is noted that in the United States a number of officials doubt that Ukraine will be able to achieve its stated goal - "the expulsion of Russian troops from its territory of the country, including the Crimean peninsula."
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 November 2022 19: 39
    +13
    We now need to intensify hostilities so that before the frost, when the airmen can increase their pressure, inflict maximum damage on them in terms of manpower and equipment. So that with the cold they were not even able to undertake sorties.
    1. private person
      private person 5 November 2022 20: 14
      +5
      So that with the cold they were not even able to undertake sorties.

      So, of course, it’s true BUT in the liberated territories there are a lot of those who are ready, if successful, to stab a knife in our backs.
      1. Myths
        Myths 5 November 2022 22: 47
        +3
        And here again we remember SMERSH. An active minority does this, people should have an understanding that such individuals will not bring peace and prosperity to them.
      2. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 6 November 2022 09: 48
        0
        They should be calculated and sent to an eternal settlement beyond the Arctic Circle.
  2. Fangaro
    Fangaro 5 November 2022 19: 39
    +17
    20 thousand shells per day? That's a huge amount.
    It's good, of course, that they are. But when the enemy praises us, it looks like some kind of catch.
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 November 2022 19: 42
      +7
      Quote from Fangaro
      20 thousand shells per day? That's a huge amount.

      Big enough. But the vast majority of them are just "cast iron", there are too few high-precision ones.
    2. private person
      private person 5 November 2022 20: 17
      +21
      20 thousand shells per day? That's a huge amount.

      It's not just huge but oh. But where are they flying, if somehow they are still resisting?
      1. aglet
        aglet 6 November 2022 08: 00
        +2
        "Only where are they flying, if somehow they are still resisting?"
        where where? in fields and forests, in areas that is. because xoxly still resist
    3. DIM (a)
      DIM (a) 5 November 2022 20: 53
      +7
      Quote from Fangaro
      20 thousand shells per day? That's a huge amount.

      ~ 1500000 kg ... that is, 300 rides by KAMAZ (when not fully loaded and without a trailer) - not so much as it seems at first)
    4. KLM77
      KLM77 5 November 2022 22: 15
      +1
      This is not eulogy, this is envy! laughing
      ZY: admins, brevity is the sister of talent, remove the restriction, pliz!
    5. ammunition
      ammunition 6 November 2022 00: 02
      +2
      Quote from Fangaro
      20 thousand shells per day?

      for reference -
      https://www.soldat.ru/doc/mobilization/mob/table32.html
      For July - November 1941, the consumption of shells and mines - 83 thousand pieces per day.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 6 November 2022 08: 25
        0
        Quote: ammunition
        Quote from Fangaro
        20 thousand shells per day?

        for reference -
        https://www.soldat.ru/doc/mobilization/mob/table32.html
        For July - November 1941, the consumption of shells and mines - 83 thousand pieces per day.

        So there the front is 3 times longer
      2. gsev
        gsev 7 November 2022 02: 23
        +1
        Quote: ammunition
        For July - November 1941, the consumption of shells and mines - 83 thousand pieces per day.

        This is for a 4 millionth army and for a front stretching from the Barents to the Black Sea. In addition, now the main caliber is not 45 mm and not 76, but 100, 122 and 152, 3-4 times larger in mass.
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 7 November 2022 04: 18
          0
          Quote: gsev
          by weight 3-4 times more.

          ( rather 6-7 times more)
          Thank you ! This is what I wanted to say. - Now the fierceness and intensity of the fighting (and losses!) in Ukraine .. look more than in V. Patriotic.
          1. gsev
            gsev 7 November 2022 04: 42
            0
            Quote: ammunition
            Now the fierceness and intensity of the fighting (and losses!) in Ukraine .. look more than in V. Patriotic.

            Before the war, they served like 3 years and additionally attracted several million for training. The first military moulization was several million. And all this mass of soldiers died in 1941. In each encirclement near Vyazma, Kharkov, Uman and Kyiv, a number of troops commensurate with all the losses in the current war of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Russian Federation perished.
            1. ammunition
              ammunition 7 November 2022 05: 49
              0
              Quote: gsev
              In each encirclement near Vyazma, Kharkov, Uman and Kyiv, a number of troops commensurate with all the losses in the current war of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Russian Federation perished.

              In terms of a unit of time and a unit of strength (of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian Federation) .. Here is the number of prisoners - less than a thousand times .. per unit of time and the number of soldiers.
              And the number of those killed and those who died from wounds .. is comparable. Considering that then .. the total number was 20-25 times more.
    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 6 November 2022 06: 59
      0
      A lot of shells are spent on barrage fire
      1. stankow
        stankow 7 November 2022 20: 45
        0
        But the enemy retreats. The attack is thwarted, the battle is won.
    7. NOMADE
      NOMADE 6 November 2022 07: 25
      +2
      Along the way, there are problems with ammunition, they have not been endless since the times of the USSR (shelf life + sale + Syria, etc..).
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 6 November 2022 07: 38
        0
        Quote: NOMADE
        Along the way, there are problems with ammunition, they have not been endless since the times of the USSR (shelf life + sale + Syria, etc..).
        [media=https://t.me/vladlentatarsky/17260]
      3. gsev
        gsev 7 November 2022 02: 26
        0
        Quote: NOMADE
        they are not endless since the times of the USSR

        There is North Korea. Its military-industrial complex is commensurate with the Soviet and German-Czech-Bulgarian ones .. You just need to completely remove sanctions from your possible ally and stop the supply of hydrocarbons to Bulgaria for 30 years ..
    8. stankow
      stankow 7 November 2022 20: 43
      0
      Norm. Thousands of guns on the floor of the BC.
      ..............
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 November 2022 19: 40
    +5
    It’s strange that NATO doesn’t even plan offensive operations in winter. Like, in winter we part ways “in winter quarters”, only barriers are at the forefront. And what they are taught in the academies. But what about “General Frost”? to the same extent.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 5 November 2022 20: 48
      +1
      Artillery is the god of war. That is, to destroy the enemy without touching him. Glory to our gunners. The most important thing is that intelligence provides accurate data.
    2. Cvgt23
      Cvgt23 5 November 2022 21: 37
      +1
      Seriously. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will disperse to winter quarters. They don't seem to have a plan. Wow what a good guy you are
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 November 2022 21: 50
        +5
        And as they read the article, according to the diagonal. What is the strategist from the Pentagon saying. Active actions will begin in the spring, and in the winter what, according to NATO plans?
        1. 41 REGION
          41 REGION 6 November 2022 05: 55
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Active operations will begin in the spring, and in the winter what, according to NATO plans?

          They want some kind of Minsk until spring, call on more people, prepare to arm and attack us with renewed vigor in the spring hi
          1. Hitriy Zhuk
            Hitriy Zhuk 6 November 2022 20: 49
            +1
            Maybe rallies against any negotiations (and a grain deal) are needed?
            At the same time, showing support and, as it were, hinting that the people do not want new "Minsk agreements", and let the Ukrainians at least die out, they got it.
            1. stankow
              stankow 7 November 2022 20: 47
              +1
              It's time to express the position. Until it freezes. Simultaneously and pressing on the power, and supporting. Not against the law, right! How long will only the 5th column flaunt?
    3. KLM77
      KLM77 5 November 2022 22: 20
      -1
      I think they fought like that throughout their history. They love comfort, panimash! Hence the "Russians are terrible for their unpretentiousness." laughing
      1. aglet
        aglet 6 November 2022 08: 04
        +1
        " Hence the "Russians are terrible with their unpretentiousness"
        By the way, about unpretentiousness. Does anyone know how the life of the troops is organized? I mean, sleep, eat, bathe? Or is it all under the bush?
        1. stankow
          stankow 7 November 2022 20: 51
          +1
          On the video, they saw dugouts and tents, but still most of all - in dilapidated houses in the nearest village.
          1. aglet
            aglet 9 November 2022 21: 58
            +1
            "in dilapidated houses in the nearest village"
            Well, that is, as always.
    4. unhappy
      unhappy 6 November 2022 07: 24
      +2
      What do they teach over the hill in the academies? You can’t fight in winter, everyone is resting fool
      In winter, there will be a picture "Bushmaster stuck in snowdrifts" like most NATO equipment ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 November 2022 07: 29
        +1
        Well, yes, they have air conditioners only for cooling, they do not work for heat.
  4. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 5 November 2022 19: 44
    +34
    The consumption of shells is so huge due to the fact that 80% of them fly past the target, to nowhere. Around the enemy positions there are entire lunar landscapes, all dotted with funnels, sometimes entire fields. It is barrel artillery and MLRS without special modern guidance tools and corrected power supplies that are ineffective and the calculation is mainly for expansion and destruction by fragments. We urgently need to change this approach in favor of high-altitude defeats.
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 5 November 2022 19: 51
      +4
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      The consumption of shells is so huge due to the fact that 80% of them fly past the target, to nowhere. Around the enemy positions there are entire lunar landscapes, all dotted with funnels, sometimes entire fields. It is barrel artillery and MLRS without special modern guidance tools and corrected power supplies that are ineffective and the calculation is mainly for expansion and destruction by fragments. We urgently need to change this approach in favor of high-altitude defeats.

      This is not a fast business. By itself, a high-precision projectile will not be induced. Krasnopol should also be highlighted. So for now, the warehouses of the DPRK are ours.
      1. aglet
        aglet 6 November 2022 08: 07
        0
        "The high-precision projectile itself will not be aimed. Krasnopol should also be highlighted"
        this is not about a high-precision projectile, but about accurate shooting, with correction and target designations. how artillery always fired, before gps and drones. but it looks like they learned
    2. cold wind
      cold wind 5 November 2022 19: 55
      +8
      Not only because of this. Shells for artillery and MLRS are old, gunpowder has degraded, so if they fly, they fly anywhere. The second reason is the trunks and guides are shot. Third, frank old stuff is already going on, D-1 who participated in taking Berlin is just the norm
      1. Fizik13
        Fizik13 5 November 2022 21: 21
        -5
        Quote from cold wind
        The second reason is the trunks and guides are shot. Third, frank old stuff is already going on, D-1 who participated in taking Berlin is just the norm

        I don’t know about junk, maybe these are trophies, so why waste good, especially if there are bypasses.
        But at the expense of the trunks, they recently showed a report on TV, there the correspondent was in the position of the Hyacinths. Bang, bang and an interview with the commander, so he said that 4 barrels had already been changed ...
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 5 November 2022 22: 11
          +2
          Quote from Fizik13
          there are bypasses

          Those are bypass pipes, right? What are they doing here? request
      2. aglet
        aglet 6 November 2022 08: 14
        +1
        . "The second reason is that the trunks and guides are shot. Third, frank junk is already going on, D-1 who participated in taking Berlin is just the norm"
        and not repairable? barrel replacement, in my opinion, can be done even in the field. and if they shot more accurately, they wouldn’t have to shoot the trunks in vain. and d-1, quite a gun, 6 inches, after all. all the so-called fortified areas of ukrov can sweep away. just need to get in. and with this problem
      3. stankow
        stankow 7 November 2022 20: 55
        0
        Decreased muzzle velocity due to gunpowder and barrel wear is taken into account when zeroing in. Up to 10 m in range. Artillerymen, not easy to sew, they know their business!
    3. private person
      private person 5 November 2022 20: 22
      +9
      We urgently need to change this approach in favor of high-altitude defeats.

      With both hands FOR. But where to get these precision-guided projectiles in such quantities? In our country, the military-industrial complex was a bottomless feeder like Skolkovo.
      1. cold wind
        cold wind 5 November 2022 20: 32
        +19
        Make JDAM analogues for shells. The Americans convert any old 155/120 mm projectile / mine into a high-precision one by winding a special “fuze” M1156 Precision Guidance Kit. GPS Guidance, over 25 kits produced in 000.




        We had the development of a similar guidance module "Dynamics" from the Compass Design Bureau. But like any good undertaking, it was ruined.


        1. private person
          private person 5 November 2022 20: 37
          +3
          Make analogues

          I'm only for, if only there was as little as possible a load of 200 to Russia.
        2. topol717
          topol717 5 November 2022 21: 14
          +1
          For me, this projectile is not needed at all. There is a Lancet that shows where it flies. artillery works in areas, and you want to make conditional snipers. But as a rule, a trench or dugout protects well. And your expensive high-precision projectile will not do anything. And you can't shoot at moving targets either. So it seems to be good to have a high-precision projectile, but how and when to use it is not entirely clear.
          1. DO
            DO 5 November 2022 22: 27
            +1
            topol717, yes, it’s clear with Lancets - a light one with a warhead of 1 kg will fly into the window to a sniper, a Lancet with a warhead of 3-5 kg ​​- for moving targets, a cumulative charge is needed for armor.
            Ammunition of mortars and howitzers, guided by a laser from a drone - along the trenches is the very thing, from above they are visible as if on the palm of your hand. Dugout depending of course what. If one heavy high-precision projectile or MLRS rocket does not take, you can apply a series to one point.
            A high-precision projectile is of course more expensive than a simple ingot, but to achieve the same result, in most cases, they require many times less.
          2. Shtrek
            Shtrek 6 November 2022 07: 13
            +2
            [/ quote] But as a rule, a trench or dugout protects well. And your expensive high-precision projectile will not do anything [quote]


            .... if a high-precision b / n hitting a trench or a dugout does not damage them, why then hundreds of shells are laid on these dugouts, missing and plowing the ground around?
        3. IvanR
          IvanR 5 November 2022 21: 25
          +3
          I wonder why the Americans haven’t supplied these stray items to the APU yet, but they give expensive Excaliburs
          1. cold wind
            cold wind 5 November 2022 21: 53
            +3
            Quote from Ivan
            I wonder why the Americans haven’t supplied these stray items to the APU yet, but they give expensive Excaliburs

            Who said they didn't? They glowed in the video from there. Excalibur is more accurate and long-range. There are a lot of them made and they are quite old.
            1. IvanR
              IvanR 6 November 2022 00: 12
              +1
              it was with this stray that I did not see frames from there
      2. Fizik13
        Fizik13 5 November 2022 21: 41
        -5
        Quote: private person
        where to get these high-precision projectiles in such quantity

        A high-precision projectile, such as Krasnopol, probably costs not 3 or 5 shells, but at least a KamAZ stuffed to the brim. Modernization and modern gadgets are needed, no one will put servos on the D-30, but knowing the exact coordinates from the UAV and having a tablet or smartphone, with modern software, it would be possible to accurately tie the gun to the terrain and calculate pointing angles.
        In Syria, SVP-24s were on the SU-24, so the planes laid conventional bombs more accurately than the Americans did their super expensive miracle bombs.
        1. Duncan
          Duncan 5 November 2022 23: 22
          +1
          A modern TV is not worth it, like a bunch of ancient ones with a kinescope. Technology still needs to get cheaper.
          Quote from Fizik13
          In Syria, SVP-24s were on the SU-24, so the planes laid conventional bombs more accurately than the Americans did their super expensive miracle bombs.

          Like, cast iron has sniper ballistics, more precisely GPS and red fields.
        2. DO
          DO 6 November 2022 02: 04
          +3
          A high-precision projectile, such as Krasnopol, probably costs not 3 or 5 shells, but at least a KamAZ stuffed to the brim.

          This is because high-precision projectiles do too little. The cost of a product depends primarily on the mass character of its production. The ratio of the cost of production of a high-precision projectile is 3 ... 5 times or even less compared to the projectile of the Second World War, is quite achievable with sufficient mass production.
          1. your1970
            your1970 6 November 2022 17: 41
            +1
            Quote: DO
            The cost of a product depends primarily on the mass character of its production.

            A 152mm projectile for the D-1 in Soviet times cost 62 rubles, a helicopter ATGM, I don’t remember the model, 16 rubles.
            Despite the high turnover
            1. DO
              DO 6 November 2022 18: 49
              -1
              In Soviet times, pricing was directive, and in most cases did not reflect the real cost of manufacturing a product.
              Today's dependence of the cost of a product on the number of pieces produced for real Russian joint-stock companies is easily explained. Overhead costs in mass production are decomposed into hundreds of thousands and millions of pieces, and in case of a single one (samples for testing and demonstration) - only in units or tens of pieces. Mass production has a different organization - a conveyor, robots, etc. Components when purchased in large quantities, as a rule, cost several times cheaper than a piece purchase.
              1. Hitriy Zhuk
                Hitriy Zhuk 6 November 2022 20: 54
                0
                Where as more than now reflected.
                1. DO
                  DO 6 November 2022 21: 54
                  0
                  Where as more than now reflected.

                  I disagree, because I have experience in this regard.
                  During the Soviet era, I worked at Brezhnev's enterprises. He also worked in Russian joint-stock companies.
                  1. DO
                    DO 6 November 2022 22: 37
                    0
                    Hitriy Zhuk, PS
                    If everything was in order in the economy of the USSR, food coupons would not have been introduced in a country with endless agricultural land, and the collapse of the 90s would not have happened.
                    Yes, our Western "partners" helped our own "businessmen" to "optimize" the military industry. Now is the time to collect stones.
                  2. gsev
                    gsev 7 November 2022 02: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: DO
                    I disagree, because I have experience in this regard.
                    In Soviet times, I worked at Brezhnev's enterprises.

                    I just now realized how labor-intensive a new or one-off production is. The first transition to a Chinese controller takes a couple of months if everything is counted accurately. In series, it is easier to assemble 10-30 sets of old automation than one new one.
    4. Ghost1
      Ghost1 5 November 2022 20: 44
      +8
      Yes, if you watch the video from the copters there, let's say there are trenches and everything around is pitted with craters, mostly hail that hit the squares, and the accuracy is compensated by the number of shells fired. Or today I saw how 6-7 cars were somewhere and they were trying to cover them and the shells either short-range or over-flight, you need either the massive number of barrels per km of the front or high-precision weapons, but of course high-precision shells are better than mass accumulation of artillery when the enemy is also on the alert.
    5. aleksklo
      aleksklo 5 November 2022 22: 22
      +1
      Of course "ineffective ..." Tell this to the winners in the Second World War. And to those who fall under this ice rink now.
    6. Former soldier
      Former soldier 5 November 2022 22: 54
      0
      We urgently need to change this approach in favor of high-altitude defeats.

      What kind of shells are there and how are they. Or turn off the CBO until high-precision equipment arrives?
    7. NOMADE
      NOMADE 6 November 2022 07: 27
      0
      Such an approach, even expensive for NATO, is why cannon artillery is still fighting
  5. Chief Officer Lom
    Chief Officer Lom 5 November 2022 19: 52
    +11
    We do not produce high-precision weapons in the required quantities. However, it looks like they can't either. We use the colossal reserves of the USSR, and it is our happiness that the Banderstat and the former allies under the Warsaw Pact have been diligently monetizing the Soviet legacy all these years, selling it to everyone.
    1. aleksklo
      aleksklo 5 November 2022 22: 48
      -2
      Defense industry enterprises have been on 3 shifts for a long time. According to the report of D. Manturov GDP, in Russia, production in the defense industry has increased significantly since February 2022. Almost before the introduction of the World Cup. Now the mechanism of the mobilization economy has not yet started working, but when this flywheel spins, it cannot be stopped. Remember, after the Second World War, it was even fashionable - until the 60s they wore riding breeches.
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2022 17: 49
        0
        Quote: aleksklo
        Remember, after the Second World War, it was even fashionable - until the 60s they wore riding breeches.

        Just because the riding breeches were free ...
        So that you understand, a coat worn almost to holes was ripped at the seams, turned the pieces inside out, stitched again, and made a lining.
        Coat flip..
        They did that even back in the 1970s.
        And you are riding breeches in fashion ....
    2. Former soldier
      Former soldier 5 November 2022 22: 59
      -1
      We do not produce high-precision weapons in the required quantities. However, it looks like they can't either. We use the colossal reserves of the USSR, and it is our happiness that the Banderstat and the former allies under the Warsaw Pact have been diligently monetizing the Soviet legacy all these years, selling it to everyone.

      I can’t imagine such a weapon and projectile that would individually chase each soldier in the enemy’s trench. smile It is better to work on increasing the area and depth of the lesion.
      1. Duncan
        Duncan 6 November 2022 00: 17
        +2
        They are already chasing copters, dropping grenades into trenches.
      2. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 6 November 2022 00: 29
        +3
        The same "kilogram" lancet can be aimed at a high-ranking officer on the front line .. There is no need to imagine
    3. NOMADE
      NOMADE 6 November 2022 07: 28
      +2
      Nor do we produce standard artillery ammunition of 20 per day...
  6. Ugens
    Ugens 5 November 2022 20: 11
    +1
    In the same statement, the official said that none of the Himars installations had been destroyed.
    What do you say to that?
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Vladorld
        Vladorld 5 November 2022 21: 10
        +1
        About fighting birds and mosquitoes, well, that's exactly the truth laughing
    2. Dart
      Dart 5 November 2022 20: 26
      -3
      Exactly what is said .... not today, then tomorrow it will be recycled, this is a given.
      What did you mean by asking the question?
    3. Igor_Aretano
      Igor_Aretano 5 November 2022 21: 57
      +2
      Also to me, Newton's binomial. For America, the recognition that expensive himars are being destroyed is absolutely unacceptable. Do you really need to explain why?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 5 November 2022 22: 40
        +2
        Quote: Igor_Aretano
        Do you really need to explain why?

        We must, of course.

        And yes, they are not that expensive. One PzH 2000 costs as much as three M142s.
        1. your1970
          your1970 6 November 2022 17: 53
          0
          Quote: Reptilian
          Quote: Igor_Aretano
          Do you really need to explain why?

          We must, of course.

          And yes, they are not that expensive. One PzH 2000 costs as much as three M142s.

          The advertisement is engine of the trade...
          How to suck in equipment - if it is burned?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 6 November 2022 18: 35
            0
            Quote: your1970
            The advertisement is engine of the trade...
            How to get tech

            Showing neat holes in a row on the bridge.

            Quote: your1970
            - if they burn her?

            The buyer is not an idiot, he understands that HIMARS is not an air defense system.
            1. your1970
              your1970 6 November 2022 18: 54
              0
              Quote: Reptilian
              Showing neat holes in a row on the bridge.

              Not critical for the military
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 6 November 2022 18: 59
                0
                Quote: your1970

                Not critical for the military

                This is for the buyer to judge.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 6 November 2022 19: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Reptilian
                  Quote: your1970

                  Not critical for the military

                  This is for the buyer to judge.

                  Nobody canceled the ad.
                  As well as anti-advertising...
      2. Ugens
        Ugens 5 November 2022 23: 39
        +1
        If they are destroyed, then confirm with facts.
  7. ada
    ada 5 November 2022 20: 28
    -1
    News from the Pentagonus? Statement? An official? Yes, he himself does not know the ultimate goal of the information provided. What is determined as an information impact, then they give out. It is pointless to evaluate this here, it is only possible to build an assumption that they will use, not the first time published, in the future as a prepared background. Probably, to base actions against the DPRK and some kind of discrediting, but more targeted, in relation to the RF Armed Forces and, ultimately, against us as a whole, and to put pressure on the allies in places.
  8. Dartanian
    Dartanian 5 November 2022 20: 32
    +1
    We give them 20 tons, they give us 8 tons, we give them the Kharkiv region, they give us pendels ... And if we keep Kherson for them not 20 tons but 40 tons? But seriously, the numbers are unpleasant, and the news too ...
    1. gsev
      gsev 7 November 2022 02: 39
      0
      Quote from Dartanyan
      We give them 20 tons, they give us 8 tons, we give them the Kharkov region, they give us pendels

      Zelensky mobilized a million, and Putin only 300. With a 000-fold superiority in infantry, it would be possible to attack along the entire front with equal artillery.
  9. maiman61
    maiman61 5 November 2022 20: 32
    -5
    Weird? Americans are used to fighting in comfort, no bidet, how to fight? And for our army, that begins! The ground is frozen, the equipment is going well, there is no greenery and there is nowhere for the Banderaites to hide. The mobilized are ready, drones and kamikaze from the factories have arrived in the required quantity and the fun should begin!
    1. Architect
      Architect 5 November 2022 20: 41
      0
      Quote: maiman61
      drones and kamikaze from the factories have arrived in the required quantity and the fun should begin!

      I agree about the second, but there are big doubts about the first.
    2. barricade
      barricade 5 November 2022 20: 43
      0
      Your idea of ​​​​the US Army ... How to put it mildly - is very naive. I advise you to find a video on YouTube - type Suren Marines in the search and spend 4 hours of your time, I assure you - your opinion about amers will change a lot
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 6 November 2022 06: 30
        -4
        I advise you to find on YouTube a video of how the American Marines scrambled from Afghanistan, from the Mujahideen in rubber galoshes and armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles. And I am absolutely sure that you will understand that this cesspool called the American army is not worth much. And I advise you to watch videos of how our soldiers fought in Chechnya in the dashing nineties, hungry, dirty, without heat, without cigarettes, without a clue what they were fighting for, but ready to fight to the last. The strength of the spirit, or there is, or it is not! It is good for Americans to fight, sitting in a warm office thousands of kilometers away from the fighting, drinking freshly brewed coffee and eating a crispy French bun. They will bring a piece of paper, it is necessary to supply weapons and money to the Ukrofascists, signed it and ufff, how well I fought the Russians today!
        1. barricade
          barricade 7 November 2022 09: 48
          -2
          Don't believe everything you see. When leaving Afghanistan, the Americans beat all the equipment - sights / walkie-talkies, dismantled all the equipment from the cars. Compare this with the "regrouping" near Kharkov, when they threw the latest T90m, with ammunition.
          Your position is similar to the one that was before the 41st year - a war with little blood and on foreign territory, yeah, what little blood turned into and the first years of the Second World War everyone knows. Your words about coffee and a bun would have been very surprised by 250 thousand selected soldiers of Hussein, especially those who were in Fallujah
  10. TIR
    TIR 5 November 2022 21: 10
    -1
    I watched a TV program about a defense plant that produces rifle cartridges. So there is probably equipment there since the Second World War, there is no RFP for these machines. In the event of a breakdown, repair everything using homemade products. The workers are mostly of pre-retirement age. ZP is also low. The entire plant is supported by retired locksmiths. Like a factory in Altai
    1. Ponchik78
      Ponchik78 5 November 2022 21: 21
      +6
      I'm from Altai, Barnaul. How old was this show, I wonder? I will not voice the details, but ... everything is in order there, everything is there with the equipment and staff!!! Plows in three shifts.
      1. TIR
        TIR 5 November 2022 21: 52
        +1
        I hope so. ZP workers of the military-industrial complex need to be added and not by 10%. The people there are working hard right now.
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 6 November 2022 06: 56
          -1
          I hope so. ZP workers of the military-industrial complex need to be added and not by 10%. The people there are working hard right now.
          But this is unlikely. Some people now urgently need to "recapture" the confiscated yachts. And you're talking about the salaries of some people. No money. Well, you know. The country is in danger and all that.
          1. TIR
            TIR 6 November 2022 14: 45
            -1
            Thank God, these bigwigs of business are not involved in the enterprises of the military-industrial complex. And that would have been much worse. And so the related enterprises that they own slow down the production of dual-use goods. The same exorbitant rise in prices does good harm. Indeed, Stalin is not enough for them. Therefore, they are afraid of him and pour mud on him.
            1. Rustic
              Rustic 6 November 2022 17: 06
              0
              Judging by omsktransmash with an average salary of 40-50. I wouldn't say they don't care. In principle, this is the average salary in the region. That is, if you go there and then only for patriotic reasons. Well, it's no better than anywhere else. Or maybe worse, given the possible overtime and all that ... "the country needs it." For some reason, even where it is very necessary, someone makes it so that it is necessary only at the expense of hard workers. With the salaries of management there, everything is in order, as well as with their irresponsibility.
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 November 2022 21: 12
    +1
    Artillery wear is also proportional?
    1. ada
      ada 6 November 2022 00: 48
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      Artillery wear is also proportional?

      It is impossible to argue like this here, it is necessary to divide into systems using unitary and separate loading of artillery and mortar rounds.
      If you know the average consumption for unitary BP, RS and their calibers, then you can become attached to it. This is up to 100 mm, all MLRS, tank up to 125 mm, FOR, ship.
      For systems with separate loading, it has long been and publicly said that the wear of such systems, including the bore, is increased relative to the consumption of projectiles and there is a bias in the ratio of the estimated number of propellant charges for various purposes in the composition of the ammo in the direction of a lack of charges that create large values ​​of gas pressure in bore and muzzle velocity due to the increased consumption of such as "Long-range", "Full", "Full variable", etc. due to the prevailing need for firing at long ranges.
      These are overwhelmingly artillery 122 mm and above, and mortars, perhaps to a lesser extent. Here, it is impossible to get attached to just consumption figures.
      In general, the wear of systems increases with an increase in the propellant charge, an increase in the rate and mode of fire, contamination of shells and the bore, temperature changes during precipitation, untimely and poor-quality maintenance, which is typical for difficult environmental conditions.
      1. aglet
        aglet 6 November 2022 08: 23
        +1
        temperature. Here, it’s impossible to get attached to just the numbers of “expenditure.
        In general, the wear of systems increases with an increase in the propellant charge, an increase in the rate and mode of fire, contamination of shells and the bore, temperature changes during precipitation, untimely and poor-quality maintenance, which is typical for difficult environmental conditions.
        to put it simply, the gun barrel is designed for 10 shots, then replacement
      2. stankow
        stankow 7 November 2022 23: 47
        0
        There are no charges like "Long Range" and "Full Variable". Did you come up with it yourself?

        And there can be no shortage or predominance of charges. All split-loading shotguns are supplied only with a "Full" charge and no other. And just before the shot, taking away of these equilibrium beams, the necessary reduced charge is completed. Since "full" shots are very rare, after each shooting, a certain number of bunches of gunpowder remain. Which are simply burned. (Yes, in air, artillery gunpowder simply burns with a light yellow flame, without any effects). What kind of "shortage" and "skew" of charges are you talking about?
        1. ada
          ada 8 November 2022 09: 30
          0
          Quote: stankow
          There are no charges like "Long Range" and "Full Variable". Did you come up with it yourself?

          Greetings! Apparently you didn't get winked
          Although I’m not a real artilleryman, but tokma on occasion, and even more so - they don’t perceive Fri for real ones, especially pturilist tourists wassat but I still remember a couple of things. Don't throw rotten tomatoes at me ahead of time. I know for sure that I do not know the composition of all BCs for the currently used artillery systems, but I use my experience, knowledge and terms available to me, including akaMedic:
          Long-range - for greater Vnach. projectile than when using a full constant and are considered constant (unchangeable).
          Full - with an unchanged maximum mass of powder elements for max Vini.
          Full variable - to obtain design speeds from Vfull to maxVnach. (changeable).
          Reduced - with an unchanged and non-maximum mass of powder elements for Vum (unchanged).
          Reduced variable - for speeds from Vmin to Vmin (changeable).
          Vum is less than Vpol.
          Special - for a specific standard projectile with a different Vini.
          Howitzer systems are characterized by separate loading shots, mainly with variable charges, but not all.
          Well, from the first one that came under the "mouse":
          "... For firing from 2A65 howitzers,
          full variable charges, reduced
          variable charge and long-range charge.
          Full and reduced variable charges
          are used when firing high-explosive fragmentation shells 0F-45, 0F45-1, Sh2,
          OF540, 0F-540Zh and 0F64. long-range
          the charge is used when firing high-explosive fragmentation projectiles 0F45, 0F45-1, 0F-61 and
          0F-64. ...".
          or: http://oruzhie.info/artilleriya/583-msta-b
          On the question of the imbalance of consumption / accumulation.
          What is BC? BC or ammunition is RSE (settlement and supply unit), that is, the established amount of standard ammunition in armament for each separate type of weapon that operates independently or the amount of ammunition that does not require other means for use, allocated to a full-time serviceman, or for each type of weapon installed on a complex object, separately. Measured in pcs. (pieces) or units. (units) of ammunition of each nomenclature. The total prescribed amount of ammunition for a weapon model (with a soldier) is a conventional unit of 1BK. To calculate the amounts of ammunition consumption, the volume of stocks and their separation, rationing is used, another RSE is the norm (changing coefficient in relation to 1BC). Well, in your own words, first you need to understand what we are talking about. There are concepts of a transportable BC, a designated BC, a planned expense in a BC. But in relation to BKvoz. - it is also a technically (structurally) secured opportunity for a weapon model or complex to carry the composition of the prescribed range of ammunition. Where does BC and its composition come from? Rationing? They are calculated on the basis of the need to ensure that a weapon unit (armed serviceman) demonstrates the inherent (necessary) tactical properties in the calculated type of battle, in the planned organization of hostilities (type of operation) and for the planned period according to the expected scale and nature of military operations (as an example, for the initial the period of the war, let's say half a year of the war), that is, depending on the real threats. And there are shots with different propellant charges in the aggregate considered sufficient and balanced in terms of their properties and composition, respectively, in terms of nomenclature, their consumption rate, content rate in BC and supply rate in military reserves, etc. Based on the calculated data, it is formed including the entire nomenclature and the number of shots with different charge, and according to the expected rate of their consumption, for each nomenclature of ammunition, their stocks are formed from the presence in the Armed Forces and the task of the industry for their release for accumulation and refreshment, as well as for disposal in the MV, planning for the EV. And if tov. Gurulev openly says that there is an overexpenditure of part of the range of ammunition due to the need to fire at long ranges, and the need for reduced charges in shots is much less than the calculated one and a revision is required in the calculations of the composition of ammo, cost rationing and plans for the accumulation of ammunition - then I believe him .
          Sincerely.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 5 November 2022 21: 23
    -3
    Quote from Dartanyan
    We give them 20 tons, they give us 8 tons, we give them the Kharkiv region, they give us pendels ... And if we keep Kherson for them not 20 tons but 40 tons? But seriously, the numbers are unpleasant, and the news too ...

    And how many pendels have they given us over the past couple of months?
    Why do you dislike these numbers? To understand whether they are pleasant or not, you need to know at least an approximate ratio of losses.
  13. Eduard_Adolfovich
    Eduard_Adolfovich 5 November 2022 21: 24
    -3
    By spring there will be no such country - Ukraine They still hope that we will fight with them for a long time
  14. cniza
    cniza 5 November 2022 21: 49
    +7
    The official claims that in the spring hostilities will resume with renewed vigor.


    Not a grateful thing forecasting ...
  15. iouris
    iouris 5 November 2022 21: 58
    +6
    Consumption is one thing, but efficiency is another.
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  17. BlackTiger74
    BlackTiger74 5 November 2022 23: 45
    -1
    "declares that the weather may soon stop the fighting" ...........
    It seems that I began to understand the geldings a little when they were already buzzing everyone's ears with their "universal rules" !!! ))) This is not to fight when the "weather is bad", not to fight if the "abrams are drowning in the mud" and not to fight if "diapers freeze" !!! ))))))))))))
  18. Alexander Konstantinovich Makeev
    Alexander Konstantinovich Makeev 6 November 2022 00: 01
    +3
    20-25 thousand artillery shells and rockets from the MLRS of the allied Russian army against Ukrainian and foreign Nazis - this should be the minimum daily rate. But 4-7 thousand MLRS shells and missiles per day from foreign and Ukrainian Nazis according to Russian - this is too much! It should be 10-20 times less! To start! And upon reaching these indicators and until the complete demilitarization of the anti-Russian Bandera Nazi Ukraine, it would be very close! After that, one could begin to carry out a complete denazification of anti-Russian foreign and Ukrainian Nazis through their conversion to organic fertilizer or for good written confessions in crimes against humanity - life imprisonment.
  19. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 6 November 2022 00: 18
    0
    It seems to me that the Ukronazis themselves are waiting for the winter - in order to strengthen themselves, to receive new weapons from their masters to the eyeballs ... and then try their luck on the frozen Dnieper - and what if they manage to get to Energodar after all!
    Tukhachevsky was able to take the rebellious Kronstadt on the ice, which was covered by two dozen of the most powerful coastal batteries on the Kronstadt forts and 12-inch two battleships ... and still took it. In general, this is a dangerous option, and you definitely need to be prepared for this!
    1. BlackTiger74
      BlackTiger74 6 November 2022 00: 47
      +1
      "and there to try your luck on the frozen Dnieper" .........
      For some reason I remembered about Lake Ladoga)))
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 6 November 2022 01: 49
      +3
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      It seems to me that the Ukronazis themselves are waiting for winter - in order to strengthen themselves, to receive new weapons from their masters to the eyeballs ... and then try their luck along the frozen Dnieper - what if you still manage to get to Energodar!

      it's very wide there, and full width, never freezes!!!
  20. Zorov
    Zorov 6 November 2022 08: 21
    +1
    According to him, Ukrainian troops fire daily from 4000 to 7000 artillery rounds during battles, while the RF Armed Forces fire many times more: about 20.

    Go nuts, this is a meat grinder ... Although if the front stretches for 1000 km, then it’s quite the norm
    And we will keep Kherson, according to anyone, this is already the territory of Russia!
  21. Illanatol
    Illanatol 6 November 2022 09: 52
    +1
    Quote: DO
    This is because high-precision projectiles do too little. The cost of a product depends primarily on the mass character of its production. The ratio of the cost of production of a high-precision projectile is 3 ... 5 times or even less compared to the projectile of the Second World War, is quite achievable with sufficient mass production.


    No mass character will reduce the cost so significantly. All the same, a high-precision projectile will cost more than a regular one. There are simply no examples to the contrary.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 6 November 2022 15: 04
      0
      Quote: Illanatol
      All the same, a high-precision projectile will cost more than a regular one.

      If we forget about the cost of delivery to positions, the cost of unmasking when fired, the cost of barrel wear ...

      ...then yes.

      By the way, even high-precision, other things being equal, flies further (since it can fly not along a ballistic trajectory) and is able to attack vertically down.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 7 November 2022 09: 13
        +2
        It was about the cost of the projectile, and not about the cost of depreciation of the gun. By the way, high-precision ammunition is only an element of the system. In order for it to hit the target, it needs expensive additions. Which, by the way, can be disabled by enemy countermeasures.
        I'm not talking about the fact that "smart" ammunition can be deceived by electronic warfare and electronic warfare (electronic countermeasures). Well, simple - he is like a bullet that is a fool ... you can’t deceive anything.
        The fact remains that ordinary "stupid" ammunition is still in demand. For hitting point objects, they are not very good, but for working on areas, they are quite.
      2. stankow
        stankow 7 November 2022 21: 06
        +1
        High-current, when equal, fly even less, because it is heavier, not optimal in terms of contours and any of it sticks out. Now, if they put a jet engine, it flies longer. And yet, after the combustion of the engine (about 3 seconds), fly again along the ballistic one. It cannot attack vertically, the angle of incidence depends on the range, but never 90 degrees. Do not confuse with drone.
    2. gsev
      gsev 7 November 2022 02: 45
      -1
      Quote: Illanatol
      All the same, a high-precision projectile will cost more than a regular one.

      For a high-precision projectile, a hit target will be an order of magnitude more expensive. 20 hits, not even on a tank, but simply one infantryman a day, would end this war in a month.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 7 November 2022 09: 14
        +1
        It is unlikely. : Ukroreich can survive 600 losses.
  22. Sedoy
    Sedoy 6 November 2022 17: 55
    0
    Ukrainian troops ... up to 7000 ..., the RF Armed Forces - many times more: about 20 thousand

    but the "performance" is reversed...
    what ours take for months, dill win back in three days ...
    Here's your "efficiency"...
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol 7 November 2022 09: 16
      +1
      Nonsense. Do not confuse soft with warm. The effectiveness of the artillery is determined by the losses of the parties, both in terms of manpower and military equipment. APU losses are not 3 times (20000 versus 7000 - a difference of about 3: 1), but at least 10 times higher.
      1. Sedoy
        Sedoy 7 November 2022 12: 36
        0
        nonsense in your head, since you are appealing to data about which you have no idea ...
        however, ultras-patriots do not need brains, they have horses ...
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol 7 November 2022 14: 13
          +2
          Oh sure. Here Arestovich only cuts the truth, everything is as it is.
          Facts are stubborn things. The balance is towards Russia. There are more and more of us, and less and less of you, banderlogs. tongue
  23. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 7 November 2022 15: 14
    0
    Here. And put a guidance system in the projectile and the number can be reduced by an order of magnitude. But Chemezov said, too cheap...
  24. stankow
    stankow 7 November 2022 20: 59
    +1
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: DO
    The cost of a product depends primarily on the mass character of its production.

    A 152mm projectile for the D-1 in Soviet times cost 62 rubles, a helicopter ATGM, I don’t remember the model, 16 rubles.
    Despite the high turnover


    1 to 250. Prices have changed, but the ratio remains the same.