The Ministry of Defense of the Netherlands did not answer the question of where the 45 T-72 tanks came from in the country for the declared transfer to Ukraine

It became known about the statement of the official representative of the Dutch Ministry of Defense about the "new package" of military aid to Ukraine being prepared for sending. The statement draws attention to what kind of weapons will be included in the package of military assistance to the Kyiv regime.

It is reported that, among other things, military assistance from the Netherlands involves the transfer of 45 tanks T-72, which were produced in the Soviet Union. Moreover, it is indicated that we are talking about tanks that have undergone modernization.

Until now, there has been no information that the Netherlands has T-72 tanks in service. In this regard, the question arose: from whose arsenals is the Dutch Ministry of Defense going to transfer these tanks to Ukraine? This question was asked to the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the kingdom by journalists. No response was received.

There are suggestions that these may be tanks that were previously delivered by the USSR to one (or several) countries of Eastern Europe. The Netherlands could have received these tanks for modernization with a view to further sale to third countries, and now the government has decided to transfer the T-72 to the Kyiv regime.

It is known that other weapons will also be included in the military aid package. Which one is not known at the moment. However, it is known that the total cost weapons for Ukraine in this package will be about 120 million euros.

The Netherlands has already handed over to Ukraine several "packages" of military assistance worth more than half a billion euros. Apparently, the government of the Netherlands is not going to stop the supply of weapons and military equipment for the needs of the Kyiv regime.

Comments

[rotmistr60]

military assistance from the Netherlands involves the transfer of 45 T-72 tanks

Today, it doesn't matter where, when and why the Dutch got these tanks, what matters is something else - 45 tanks will go to Ukraine to kill Russian citizens.

[gansales]

Quote: rotmistr60

Today it doesn’t matter where, when and why the Dutch got these tanks,

How to say ! It would be necessary to understand all the same Who sold? Is it someone from the CSTO? This should be punished severely..

Quote: rotmistr60

another thing is important - 45 tanks will go to Ukraine to kill Russian citizens.

That's it from this!!! Someone is getting rich on the murder of Russians and must answer for it in full

[Cvgt23]

Someone in the CSTO is able to send tanks for modernization to the Netherlands7. Do not make me laugh. For the Netherlands has no modernization projects 72

[rotmistr60]

From the information of various media, tanks from the Czech Republic and this is only a part that will be delivered this month "Together with the USA and the Czech Republic, the Netherlands will supply 90 modernized and overhauled tanks from the Czech Republic"

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: rotmistr60

From the information of various media, tanks from the Czech Republic and this is only a part that will be delivered this month "Together with the USA and the Czech Republic, the Netherlands will supply 90 modernized and overhauled tanks from the Czech Republic"

It looks like you are right. The Netherlands simply paid for the repairs and upgrades.
90 tanks is not so much, but enough for one tank brigade.

[gansales]

Hello Aron my friend! How is Israel, Netanyahu on horseback again?

Quote: Aron Zaavi

90 tanks is not so much, but enough for one tank brigade.

How do you say it so easily Aron .. But these are the lives of our soldiers and civilians too ..
Maybe we can put some tanks and missiles in Palestine, how will you react to it then? Raise a squeal to the whole world about the bloody Ruks, etc.
Here is the same.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from gansales

How do you say it so easily Aron .. But these are the lives of our soldiers and civilians too ..
Maybe we can put some tanks and missiles in Palestine, how will you react to it then? Raise a squeal to the whole world about the bloody Ruks, etc.
Here is the same.

And then the USSR did not supply weapons to Syria, Egypt and Lebanon? Remind you of whose production were the Scuds that Hussein fired at Israel?

[gansales]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And then the USSR did not supply weapons to Syria, Egypt and Lebanon?

Delivered and now delivering ..
I'm talking about Palestine, which you captured impudently and without any referenda .. Half of the population was destroyed, half was simply expelled .. Left a little and shoot at the quiet.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Remind you of whose production were the Scuds that Hussein fired at Israel?

And to remind who in the US Congress gave the go-ahead for the destruction of Iraq, they allegedly have chemical weapons, etc. threatening Israel .. Iran, glory to Allah, is not in your teeth, like Syria, which you are constantly shelling ..
Is 90 tanks still not a lot for you? Maybe you can still put such Palestine, you didn’t answer me like that and left the question in Hebrew ..

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from gansales

Delivered and now delivering ..
I'm talking about Palestine, which you captured impudently and without any referenda .. Half of the population was destroyed, half was simply expelled .. Left a little and shoot at the quiet.

Vitalya alcohol or drugs? What do you use? In the presence of the Internet, such wild nonsense cannot be explained otherwise.

And to remind who in the US Congress gave the go-ahead for the destruction of Iraq, they allegedly have chemical weapons, etc. threatening Israel .. Iran, glory to Allah, is not in your teeth, like Syria, which you are constantly shelling ..
Is 90 tanks still not a lot for you? Maybe you can still put such Palestine, you didn’t answer me like that and left the question in Hebrew ..

Well, you can, put it that way. I personally don't mind.

[gansales]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Vitalya alcohol or drugs? What do you use? In the presence of the Internet, such wild nonsense cannot be explained otherwise.

A common question from members of the forum from Israel when there is nothing to answer Well, well

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, you can, put it that way. I personally don't mind.

The time will come, we will put it, do not hesitate Aaron ..
The USA will not always cover you. hehe

[brondulyak]

This Gonzalez is an illiterate and poorly educated provocateur

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Remind you of whose production were the Scuds that Hussein fired at Israel?

Remind them where they sold them to whom and who carried out their modernization. The regular "Scud", with all its GREAT desire, could not reach Israel from the territory of Iraq

[gansales]

Quote: svp67

Remind them where they sold them to whom and who carried out their modernization. The regular "Scud", with all its GREAT desire, could not reach Israel

Everything is so Sergey, when the cities of Iraq were already just burning from US and Israeli air strikes .. There was an attempt to launch a couple of these missiles towards Israel, the initiator of this terrible massacre .. They stupidly destroyed the country and created an igil against its background, that's the most interesting thing

[Igor 495]

You would do well to turn on the brain at least sometimes. I will not comment on the passage on the topic that half of the Palestinians were killed, half were expelled. It's incurable. But at least think about what will happen if you supply the Palestinians with tanks and they go towards Israel. For their successful use, it is necessary, at a minimum, to have a real army, with command and control, communications, reconnaissance, and trained crews. These tanks will be destroyed within a day, and then ... in general, if you want good for the Arabs, shut up.

[figwam]

Quote: rotmistr60

From the information of various media tanks from the Czech Republic

And in World War II, tanks came from Chikhia to destroy us

[rotkiv04]

Quote from gansales

Quote: rotmistr60

Today it doesn’t matter where, when and why the Dutch got these tanks,

How to say ! It would be necessary to understand all the same Who sold? Is it someone from the CSTO? This should be punished severely..

Quote: rotmistr60

another thing is important - 45 tanks will go to Ukraine to kill Russian citizens.

That's it from this!!! Someone is getting rich on the murder of Russians and must answer for it in full

if you remember the story with the supply of weapons and B / P from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, then no one will punish anyone, Putin is too cowardly to dare to punish

[svp67]

Quote: rotmistr60

Today it doesn’t matter where, when and why the Dutch got these tanks

But why, it is important ... You must at least approximately know those "pods". A snapshot of the serial number on the frontal armor would have allowed everything ... just one shot ... It is quite possible that this is from the "lost" NNA of the GDR, there are almost half a thousand of them

[rotmistr60]

Above

"Today, 08:08"

my comment is from where and who.

[svp67]

Quote: rotmistr60

my comment is from where and who.

Very shaky version. It is said that the tanks were produced in the USSR, and in the former Czechoslovakia there were tanks produced in the former Czechoslovakia, now these plants are on the territory of Slovakia.
We need photos of numbers on lobovuhi or their forms ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Quote: rotmistr60

Today it doesn’t matter where, when and why the Dutch got these tanks

But why, it is important ... You must at least approximately know those "pods". Everything was resolved by a snapshot of the serial number on the frontal armor ... just one shot ... It is quite possible that this is from the "losses" of the NNA of the GDR, there are almost half a thousand of them

Ksati very possible. Most likely they were not in a combat-ready state, even if they just spent 20 years in the pits. There, all the rubber products had to be covered, and the means of communication. And in six months, the Czechs could well reanimate 90 tanks. Moreover, they have been repairing Ukrainian armored vehicles since April.

[Alexander_Snegirev]

Quote: svp67

It is quite possible that this is from the "losses" of the NNA of the GDR, there are almost half a thousand of them

From the presence of NNA GDR 207 units. T-72s were cut up, 89 were shot as targets, 2 were used as split models, and 253 eventually dispersed around the world.

[drundel861]

I'm not a poet, I want to say in simple words, vaakum, and there will be no more countries singing along with sadness

[Alexander_Snegirev]

The Netherlands will pay for the supply of Czech T-72s for Ukraine. Also, Kyiv partners are mastering tanks received under Lend-Lease, including the latest T-90M.

[Hiller]

The now screwed up "valiant Kantemirovites" make generous gifts to the Nazis. Shame!!! They left a serviceable booted T-90. They didn't even throw a grenade into the tower! Underpants

[donavi49]

There are not only Kantemirovites. For example, here is a tour of an old T-90 with some rather constructive comments.

[Hiller]

No, it’s the Kantemirovites, I can’t find a link now, but a train was shown with the appropriate identification on the armor and then the tank itself. Of course, there is no 100% certainty. Then on TV, according to the plot, they delicately stated as "one of the famous compounds"

[svp67]

Quote: donavi49

quite constructive comments.

What about constructiveness? In an attempt to show their technical superiority? And this is a person who is not aware that not a conveyor is installed here, but a conveyor. ZPU not like on the T-64, but like on the T-80U. The nuts on the DZ box have traces of rust, which indicates that the explosives were installed there a long time ago, as I understand it, the "old owners"
In short, so-so specialist

[Roman Efremov]

While highly paid "professionals" are leaving equipment on the battlefields, 300000 civilians are being dragged to war (and how many later?). And what a wonderful "small highly professional army" was, how beautifully it "fought" at the training grounds! And do not hesitate: those who ran away at the training grounds at the age of 40 will retire, and those who won back on mobilization will return to their factories and will work hard until they are 65 years old !!!

[Beregovic_1]

You would be very surprised at the wages of highly paid specialists of the ground forces .... Are you writing from a trench? Have you been mobilized? Those who are now undergoing coordination and recalling skills under the guidance of regular military men would never write such a thing. And yes, the military retires at 50 if they live.

[Roman Efremov]

No, I have not been mobilized YET. The elderly are not rowed yet, they are being saved for the next line. But I know several cases of mobilization among friends.

[Beregovic_1]

Don't be afraid, they won't mobilize. Not everything is lost, the polymers are in place, the leader and teacher thinks of you personally.

[brondulyak]

And this is another provocateur from Ukraine

[DeGreen]

If you follow the news closely, you will know that the T-90 was deliberately left untouched by the crew, because the tank commander received 100 euros on an account in one of the former socialist countries

[Zoldat_A]

I don't know where these tanks come from. But I know for sure, who knows for sure.
The Pentagon.

Everything else - "tanks here, tanks there" - is at the level of playing "fifteen". As the saying goes: "Guess under which knuckle the tanks are..."

[gansales]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I don't know where these tanks come from. But I know for sure, who knows for sure.
The Pentagon.

Briefly and clearly Igor! What else to add There is a war between Russia and NATO already for destruction

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from gansales

Quote: Zoldat_A

I don't know where these tanks come from. But I know for sure, who knows for sure.
The Pentagon.

Briefly and clearly Igor! What else to add There is a war between Russia and NATO already for destruction

Well, Vitaly is not exactly with NATO, but with the NATO economic potential, which they materialize in the supply of weapons to Ukraine. Agree that NATO has a slightly higher potential for the Air Force and BTV than Ukraine.

[gansales]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, Vitaly is not exactly with NATO, but with the NATO economic potential, which they materialize in the supply of weapons to Ukraine.

Yes, of course, tell these tales to your Arabs there ..
Specialists in Hymers and other air defense there are obviously your Amers sitting and commanding, and about the English-speaking mercenaries and other Poles with the Balts, I generally keep silent thousands of them there ..

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Agree that NATO has a slightly higher potential for the Air Force and BTV than Ukraine

Higher, but there is no fighting spirit and idea, only money and Russophobia
Agree? There, infa goes that your Israel has already quietly begun to supply something to the ukroreykha, is your fellow tribesman in power there? Then don't complain

[Fisherman]

Everything about this "aid" package has already been laid out even on the websites of the Pentagon and the State Department (there are links in yesterday's carts): the total amount is 400 million dollars, the tanks are buying 45 pieces from the Czech Republic and ... they are sent for modernization until spring, delivery is expected in the spring in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... US tracked armored personnel carriers are also going to be delivered, but also after repairs after the new year ... in short, everything next year ... wait

[tralflot1832]

Do you know if you change the bones in 14 and 15 places, this puzzle will never be assembled at all!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: tralflot1832

Do you know if you change the bones in 14 and 15 places, this puzzle will never be assembled at all!

As a child, he mocked so much at the "cellmates" in the hospital "appendicitis" ward, when they were collected for a dispute, for a while.
He honestly twisted for several days, tried - it was useless. I didn't know anything about combinatorics then...

[antivirus]

Here are the debts of the ukhria to the west and do not allow us to enter Kyiv: they will set off.
315 billion of ours for their supplies to Bandera.
The sacred cow is a debtor.
Milking cannot be destroyed.
The switchman is to blame for everything - he sent a train with gold and banknotes to the wrong place (in the EU and the USA).

[Silver99]

And we go, gritting our teeth in anger, Wetting our lips with dry vodka. They come from ..... caravans, And that means there is work for the "tulip" (Alexander Rosenbaum). How everything is relevant and nothing changes ((((

[dmi.pris1]

Actual. The main thing is that this "operation" would not have ended since in Afghanistan. Our Kremlin "good-natured people" can do everything

[gansales]

Quote: dmi.pris

Actual. The main thing is that this "operation" would not have ended since in Afghanistan. Our Kremlin "good-natured people" can do everything

It won’t end anymore, the masks have been thrown off and Russophobia is just going through the roof And the people are well aware of what will happen to us if liberalism comes to power and Russia will definitely no longer exist .. And about the Russian people, in general, I keep silent, they will simply cut it out and we will have nowhere to run

[Ugens]

For 90 T-72s from the Czech Republic, the United States and the Netherlands will pay in half, that's where the tanks come from.

[Fizik13]

Quote from ugens

For 90 T-72s from the Czech Republic, the United States and the Netherlands will pay in half, that's where the tanks come from.

It's all exactly what to go from Khimki to Moscow through Voronezh.
Most likely, the Americans camouflaged from the Iraqis, or somewhere there, they brought them by sea to Holland, sorry, the Netherlands, and they cover their tracks through them, thereby making them accomplices.

[donavi49]

Why look for difficult ways?
There are many more 72s. The shortage is precisely for those that were syringed, poured into battle. They can really only be transferred from active forces.

Right there, any coffins can be driven into the factory for capital. There are probably up to 400 such heritages, only in Europe (in Bulgaria alone, 150 are in storage - but some of them have been sold to the quiet all over the world).

[Xenofont]

Meanwhile, our comrade Musk continues his much-needed and important work! In Ukraine, 1,3 thousand Starlink terminals stopped working due to funding problems, this has become a “huge problem” for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, CNN writes, citing informed sources.

[KCA]

It just dawned on our specialists that the saucers flying over the Earth are just repeaters, they can’t do anything else, they relay the signal between themselves to the nearest ground station, and if it is bombed, a very large square will remain without communication

[donavi49]

A little wrong. Disabled only those terminals that are officially commercial and purchased from Britain. That is, they were not supplied by Musk and services were not paid for them. The ones that Musk sent are working.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Xenofont

Meanwhile, our friend Sch Mask

Ilyusha Maskvin? I know this ... I left in the late nineties for the USA with my mom and dad. Dad is a retired KGB colonel ....

[katarsafebox.com]

>where in the country are 45 T-72 tanks for the declared transfer to Ukraine
Smoked.

[Arkady007]

And what about the Dutch pipes for the transportation of hydrocarbons?

[Fangaro]

There are countries that have T-72. Technology, any technology, costs money. The Netherlands offered to the price something from above, having received it from above from some other country.
Do I need to know from which countries these tanks crawled into the Netherlands? Necessary.
Should this be surprising? No.
It also makes no sense to discuss ways to prevent the sending of T-72s from the Netherlands to Ukraine.
If the method is simple, then THEY provided it. And if the method is extraordinary, then it is better for them not to read about it in the public domain.

[Yegres85101142]

This is no longer news.
The United States is providing Ukraine with another $400 million military aid package, which involves the transfer of 45 Czech T-72 tanks to Kyiv. Sabrina Singh, Deputy Press Secretary of the US Department of Defense, told reporters at a briefing on Friday.
Assistance will be provided as part of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), which involves the conclusion of relevant contracts by the ministry with manufacturers, and not the provision of this or that equipment and means directly from the Pentagon's stocks.

In particular, according to Singh, the funds from the new package will be used to modernize "T-72 tanks" with the participation of the Netherlands and the Czech Republic, in which "optics, communications and armor will be improved."

“This is the first delivery of tanks [to Kyiv] from the United States,” Singh said.
She clarified that we are talking about Czech tanks, "the United States pays for the upgrade of 45" of them, the Netherlands is paying for the upgrade of another 45 tanks.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Do we by chance send fertilizer there?
Or something else.
In fact, a good reason to decisively break ALL trade ties.

[donavi49]

Again, the article is inaccurate. The US and the Netherlands are jointly funding the rise of 90 T-72M1s and their modernization, with the establishment of modern combat systems, communications, sights and additional armor (obviously, DZ is meant).

Up to 30 tanks will be transferred to NG.

Total November-winter announced deliveries of armored vehicles:
Up to 30 upgraded T-72s
28 M-55S from Slovenia
40+ infantry fighting vehicles from Greece
30 BVP-1 from Slovakia with a little modernization and after repair (this is from cold storage - funded by Germany, shipped in December - probably Scholz talked about them back in September).
Delivery of about 50 M113 from Spain, the Baltic states and the USA (+ Italy is in doubt).
60 diesel Spartans on chimneys from Prytula
35 ACSV from Canada (this is a type of striker) - arrival in Europe was noted at the end of October.
up to 90 M1117 (this is such a wheeled armored personnel carrier with M2 and a 40 mm grenade launcher + good armor, from infantry riflemen in a circle, 12,7 zones).

[vital.33]

1117 announced 250 pieces for transfer ... a lot, to put it mildly ..

[donavi49]

I indicated that it will reach NG.

a lot to say the least

This is better than MaxPro, which have extremely bad reviews (do not send us more to the level, better than a Humvee even at the rate of a 1 to 1 replacement) and not only in cross-country ability, but much worse than the M113, of which there are thousands under the sun in the Sierra Nevada in the sump.

[Wildcat]

IMHO, they give that "what is" and that "it is not a pity".
After the end of history, a large number of unnecessary MCIs appeared in Afghanistan, they are on the move and can be painlessly attached to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The same as with MaxPro, the story of Dingo from Germany.
"Head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine:
Instead, Germany is supplying us with Dingo armored vehicles. This, of course, is also useful. And we are grateful. But that's not what we primarily need in combat."
https://topwar.ru/201935-glava-mid-ukrainy-vmesto-tankov-leopard-frg-postavljaet-nam-bronemashiny-dingo-no-jeto-ne-to-chto-nam-nam-v-pervuju-ochered-nuzhno-v-boju.html
These are the same Dingos that "The main tasks of ATF Dingo are escort and patrol on fairly hard terrain. The vehicle is mainly intended for use in "peacekeeping activities" (peacekeeping operations), especially in mine-prone areas. Due to its design, it provides excellent mine protection in this weight class, but can also be used in dense urban areas due to its relatively small size. Passenger protection is prioritized by the ATF Dingo, and the weapon system can also operate under body armor, unlike the Fuchs TPz.
On the other hand, combat vehicle less suitable for use in medium and difficult terrain compared to, for example, the Fuchs TPz, because it has a higher center of gravity, only four wheels and a softer suspension. "
Where will the Armed Forces of Ukraine look for "rather solid terrain" when the German officers themselves explain the situation in the theater with the help of the word "rasputitsa", which twice a year makes wheeled vehicles a problem, "which the Wehrmacht checked on itself" in BB2:

... for Biden and the current leaders of the Western world, you need to put candles

I agree completely.
If Bradley is still clear why they are not given (potentially they can be converted into a new armored personnel carrier) and the Abrams can also be useful to the United States, then the M113 is not planned to be returned to active service from the Sierra Nevada.
Someone Pritula with the Spartans becomes more dangerous than Scholz with Dingo.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

If it’s still clear why they don’t give Bradley (potentially they can be converted into a new armored personnel carrier) and the Abrams can also come in handy for the United States, then the M113 is not planned to return to active service from the Sierra Nevada

Well, about the Abrams and Bradleys, it’s empty, they were made in abundance under the Soviet regime. What the Soviet government left behind is mountains of rusty weapons, and not only Soviet ones.

Here, of course, rises the historical figure of Biden. It's so cool, so cool. His foulness will pull at least two or three Scholz.

In addition to the categorical refusal to supply anything with a gun and an engine at the same time (the same M109 did not come from America), even the red lines already "crossed" in his head did not completely cross. The same M113s appeared back in the spring, but simply a complete transfer of the APU to the M113 did not happen. Instead, there are some M1117, maxpro, dingoes, spartans and other nonsense.

[Wildcat]

Here, of course, rises the historical figure of Biden. It's so cool, so cool. His foulness will pull at least two or three Scholz.
... even the red lines already "crossed" in his head were not completely crossed. The same M113s appeared back in the spring, but simply a complete transfer of the APU to the M113 did not happen. Instead, there are some M1117, maxpro, dingoes, spartans and other nonsense.

I agree, you can’t get off with candles for Biden / Scholz.
According to the results of the end of the current story, Biden and Scholz should receive a couple of goodies, something for "friendship of peoples" and someone "at the request of parents" can be introduced into the boards of directors or the board of something good ("Hunter Biden / Burisma case" "omnipotent, because it is true. It is full and harmonious, giving people an integral worldview, irreconcilable with any superstition, with any reaction, with any defense of bourgeois oppression."").

But if we consider the situation as a whole, why should Biden and Scholz also work for Zelensky?
Zelensky was successful in promising "to resolve all problems with the Russian Federation within a year." Until February 23.02.2022, XNUMX, Zelensky successfully fought off NATO warnings and, together with his Arestovich, urged people to prepare for barbecues "for May." Otherwise, "crowds of refugees could block the roads" and "the economy would lose money"!
As a result, NATO members waited "72 hours for the defense of Kyiv and that's it."
IMHO, with this option, Zelensky would eventually play the last role "in Amin's palace" (well, or like King Lear would run around the country, restless ...). And the NATO members, respectively, were preparing for the "USSR in Afghanistan, var. 2.0", only there are more Stingers. What are M113 in such hands?

Who was supposed to explain for Zelensky "we need caterpillars, not wheels"? Who built the naval bases in Mariupol with boats and pumped money into the Navy, which sank along with Hetman Sahaidachny? Who prevented Zelensky from preparing bridges and roads by February 24.02.2022, XNUMX?
In principle, Zelensky is also worthy of an award - APU 24.02. sits near the Donbass, TRO learns to make Molotov cocktails, and only when the Airborne Forces almost drove up to Bankovaya did they begin to distribute rifles and RPGs on the streets of Kyiv without a passport and certificates from the drug dispensary.
By the way, fresh "creme de la creme" or "Zelensky cannot be stopped": the refusal to negotiate with the Russian Federation in the format of the Decree puts Zelensky in another amusing position. Now the Russian Federation honestly declares that "we are for peace and negotiations, it is Zelensky who refuses to talk at all." Of course, Zelenskiy has a hard time outdoing himself in his legendary speech alluding to nuclear weapons, but he does his best.

It's good that Prytula is running around the dumps of the BHVT in a race with Poroshenko - both are looking for and finding caterpillar Spartans - and not normal APUs in the Sierra Nevada. The year of the SVO is coming soon, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot point a finger at what they need and does not cost anything to the "donors" (except for the "restoration capital").

So, IMHO, it's not Scholz and Biden who are doing foul play for Ukraine, and Zelensky is not able to use good options for Ukraine (IMHO, Russia is lucky).

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

So, IMHO, it's not Scholz and Biden who are doing bad things for Ukraine, and Zelensky is not able to use good options for Ukraine

It's true. I am convinced that, following the results of the SVO, a tribunal is needed for the main war criminals in Kyiv.

Quote: Wildcat

why should Biden and Scholz also work for Zelensky?

Well then.
The Samsonovs have been telling us for so many years:

What are we fighting for? Russia is a huge and rich country. We do not need foreign territories, we have everything in abundance. But there is our land, which is sacred to us, on which our ancestors lived and on which our people live today. And which we will not give to anyone. We protect our people. We are fighting for all our people, for our land, for our thousand-year history.

Who is fighting against us? We are fighting against those who hate us, who ban our language, our values ​​and even our faith, who spread hatred towards the history of our Fatherland.
Against us today is part of a dying world. This is a bunch of crazy Nazi drug addicts, people drugged and intimidated by them, and a large pack of barking dogs from the western kennel. With them is a motley pack of grunting gilts and narrow-minded inhabitants from the collapsed Western empire with saliva flowing down their chins from degeneration. They have no faith and ideals, except for obscene habits invented by them and standards of doublethink implanted by them, denying the morality bestowed on normal people. Therefore, having risen against them, we have acquired sacred power.

Where are our old friends? We were abandoned by some frightened partners - and do not care about them. So, they were not our friends, but just random fellow travelers, sticky and hangers-on.
Cowardly traitors and greedy defectors fell to distant lands - let their bones rot in a foreign land. They are not among us, but we have become stronger and cleaner.

Why were we silent for a long time? We were weak and devastated by timelessness. And now we have shaken off the sticky dream and the dreary haze of the last decades, into which the death of the former Fatherland plunged us. Other countries awaited our awakening, raped by the masters of darkness, slave owners and oppressors who dream of their monstrous colonial past and yearn to maintain their power over the world. Many countries do not believe their nonsense for a long time, but are still afraid of them. Soon they will wake up completely. And when the rotten world order collapses, it will bury all its arrogant priests, bloodthirsty adepts, mocking servants and dumb mankurts under a multi-ton pile of its debris.

What is our weapon? Weapons are different. We have the opportunity to send all enemies to the fiery Gehenna, but this is not our task. We listen to the words of the Creator in our hearts and obey them. These words give us a sacred purpose. The goal is to stop the supreme ruler of hell, no matter what name he uses - Satan, Lucifer or Iblis. For his goal is death. Our goal is life.
His weapon is an intricate lie.
And our weapons are Truth.
That is why our cause is right.
That is why victory will be ours!

And now it turns out that the narrow-minded inhabitants from the collapsed Western empire with saliva flowing down their chin from degeneration are really some kind of sloppy. So many opportunities are missed.

Ugh!

[Wildcat]

It's true. I am convinced that, following the results of the SVO, a tribunal is needed for the main war criminals in Kyiv.

- questions of belief and faith in our Russian Federation are protected with the help of the Criminal Code, so I can’t object. But I would like to note that some time ago, it seems to me, you had a more realistic view of things: "It will end in something bad" (the quote is inaccurate). By the way, play on words and sarcasm - not bad!

We are so many years old Samsonov ...

what is my fault? Why should you read this opus?

narrow-minded inhabitants from the collapsed western empire with saliva flowing down their chin from degeneration are really some kind of sloppy. So many opportunities are missed.

Which ones are missed and which ones were missed, at least in terms of technology - this is obvious, the same Donavi49 and you write a lot about this.

I would like to note that there were no substantive objections, for example, regarding Zelensky’s success in the formation and especially arming of the SRW by 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX. And it seemed to me that you are not enthusiastic about the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, it is also possible for youit's annoying if a foreigner shares this feeling with me". Well, let's follow one important political figure of the Russian Federation and praise Zelensky a little, because "yet he is a solid, self-confident, pragmatic, likeable guy".
But I would like to draw attention to the fact that "a firm, self-confident, pragmatic, good-looking guy" is not a profession, much less a "necessary and sufficient" quality for a good President of Ukraine. An actor can become a good Reagan, but before the presidency it would be nice to get experience in governing the state at some levels, and it is desirable to do such tricks in a calm environment and in a stable country.
However, the right of citizens of Ukraine to elect their Presidents and even change them (which is very unusual in the expanses of the former USSR) is undeniable.
If the discussion of Zelensky's actions is unpleasant for you, I can not do this in our communication.

Regarding "degeneracy", "small-holed", and something about saliva.
Attributing such arguments to me and heroically refuting them is a bit redundant. I am already in awe of the sarcasm and wordplay in the first paragraph of your post.
And let's still separate Zelensky from "the inhabitants of the collapsed Western empire." "People" demonstrated a high level of self-organization and competence, somewhat higher than the level of the state. organs of Ukraine, this can be seen even in Prytula with the Spartans.

Ugh!

- Well, of course, what doubts there can be!

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

there was a more realistic view of things: "it will end with something bad"

Of all the options, you should expect the most foul, it seems that's what I put it. It hasn't changed. "I consider it necessary" does not mean "I consider it probable".

Quote: Wildcat

Why should you read this opus?

"Opus"? This is the sacred text of the Russian people.

Quote: Wildcat

If the discussion of Zelensky's actions is unpleasant for you, I can not do this in our communication.

You see, I don’t see Zelensky as a judge at the imaginary Kiev Tribunal. To put it bluntly, the biggest questions are regarding the candidacies of judges.

Quote: Wildcat

Zelensky’s success in the formation and especially arming of SRW did not follow by 24.02.22

On the 24th to Zelensky, there are no questions about TRO. As for TRO, the questions are not for the 24th, but for previous years. We needed a freikorps, but they made a Volkssturm.

Quote: Wildcat

Regarding "degeneracy", "small-holed", and something about saliva.
Attribute me such arguments

Excuse me, but in vain you cling to historical texts. Or are you the author?

Quote: Wildcat

The inhabitants" demonstrated a high level of self-organization and competence, somewhat exceeding the level of state bodies of Ukraine, this can be seen even in Prytula with the Spartans.

Pritula has his own questions, but they are no longer for the notorious tribunal. Prytula private person, does what he wants. And about the Western inhabitants, as far as I understood the source, this is about Biden and Scholz. And here I agree with the author. I always root for the cause and am dissatisfied when things are done so badly and without initiative.

[Wildcat]

I have to admit that you know the content of the speeches of modern politicians better than I do. But that's for the best, I guess.
We managed to find the source of "chins, saliva and other things."
I read it.
I agree, judging by the context, we are not talking about Ukrainian, but about "Western" inhabitants.

With the exception of my ignorance (manifested in the issues of modern concepts expressed in telegram channels), I would like to note that our disagreements boil down to the question of whether the conditional "Western management" should be more effective in the conditions of the NWO than "Ukrainian management".
Here, IMHO, the story is multi-layered:

1. Why give what is not asked.

2. Why give what you can hold on to and you can give what is no longer needed.

3. And most importantly: why should the "West" give the Armed Forces of Ukraine the necessary funds and solve the task for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which in the long run by itself "will solve the Russian question in the 21st century" finally and irrevocably?
The material and human resources of the Russian Federation are being spent, so to speak, in unexpected proportions.
The revenue side of the budget is shrinking, a deficit budget is reappearing, and no new sources of revenue are visible.
Technological problems are growing, already "fraternal Iran" does not really want to fill in the "gaps" and only "fraternal North Korea" has begun to carry something by train.
About social problems - everything is clear here, only respected members of the forum can rejoice at the departure of people from the Russian Federation, but you can watch the video "mobilized and the general" - as I already wrote, there will be enthusiasm for mobilization events.
The worst with the incomes of the population is yet to come (December-March) and even the Central Bank writes, " ... in 2022 and through much of 2023, the Russian economy will shrink in response to changing external conditions."https://cbr.ru/about_br/publ/ondkp/on_2023_2025/
Well, do not forget the achievements in the military sphere (VO-military forum, nevertheless ...): the army trained in tank biathlon and air darts successfully began to get T62 from storage, which Khrushchev remembers and cases of using Mosin rifles were recorded (the youngest of which should remember Stalin).
The personnel of the Armed Forces are replenished with national battalions and PMCs, as well as in a way completely unknown to NATO generals - by involving, so to speak, persons from places of detention in the database.
Well, why, tell me, such a Russophobe like Biden (what else did the USSR "ruin up") to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine finish the database? Moreover, the United States is taking the place of the Russian Federation in the EU gas market; NATO suddenly remembered what it was made for?
So it's possible, in terms of a conventional Biden"the work is done so badly and without initiative"not quite a true statement. On the contrary, "it’s a long business, they gave away international debt in Afghanistan for 10 years, there’s nowhere to rush". And, it must be admitted that, judging even by the data on losses from Shoigu, the "West" was more actively involved in Ukrainian affairs than in Afghan affairs in the 80s of the last century.

Well, let's even imagine that the United States, NATO and other politicians say "yes, we will no longer drive the Armed Forces of Ukraine weapons" and the Russian troops, as they dream at the VO forum, go to the border of Poland. APU somehow evaporated. The only question is how, in this case, to survive "Afghanistan variant 2.0" and "Caucasus variant 3.0" on a somewhat larger scale.
Even the authors of VO ask the question: "....the question is “how is Russia going to win in Ukraine?”. Before going on the defensive, it is first necessary to complicate the supply of Western weapons to the line of contact - either destroy the bridges across the Dnieper, or try to take control of the border with Poland (this option looks poorly realizable at the moment). Otherwise, the war threatens to drag on for a long time with vague prospects."https://topwar.ru/204534-uderzhanie-suhoputnogo-koridora-v-krym-est-novaja-cel-svo.html

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

We managed to find the source of "chins, saliva and other things."
I read it.

Honestly, I thought this text is already known to everyone. Our entire party of arrogant priests, bloodthirsty adepts, mocking servants and dumb mankurts has been making memes for the second week and choosing their new gender from those offered.

Quote: Wildcat

why, tell me, such a Russophobe like Biden (what else did the USSR ruin) to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine finish the database?

I am forced to note that Zelensky's now declared positions: a return to the borders of 2013 and Putin's departure do not imply any quick end to the NWO. So it is not at all necessary for Joe to stray with cunning moves, supplying the entire collective farm with artillery of 14 such types.

[Sergey39]

Czech tanks, modernization at the expense of the Dutch and Americans!
And who will argue that we have been fighting with the Ukrainians for so long, and not with NATO! (((

[donavi49]

There I am above +/- collected the announced deliveries, in fact for the 4th quarter.

And now compare with similar deliveries to Vietnam. Where, of course, only the heroic Vietnamese people fought with the United States, and the USSR only supplied a small amount of fraternal assistance.

I repeat, you need to light candles for Biden and the current leaders of the Western world. If there were Reagan 2.0, as soon as the Armed Forces of Ukraine showed that it was not going to capitulate and fall apart, the Abrams and Bradley would go hundreds per month + SuperCobras, Vipers, F-16/15 + various air defense systems from dusty PAK2 and Hawks to all sorts of Boeing promotional products for the next promotion.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

With whom and for what did the United States fight in Vietnam?
Did millions of Americans then live in Vietnam, who were forbidden to speak their native language? Millions of Russians live in Ukraine, who are forbidden to speak their native language and whose rights are violated.
And now, you will find two big differences.

[donavi49]

1) Look at any videos from the battle, where the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with all sorts of runes and other Azov communicate either in Russian or in obscene language. Yes, what can I say Sirsky - this is the general who led the Balakley-Izyum and Liman operations, even before Zelensky he cannot connect 2 memorized words in Ukrainian. And in general, the prohibition of the language is from the category of killer mosquitoes.

Listen to Putin's latest speeches, the main reason is the threat of Russia in an even more catastrophic clash (with NATO - which Ukraine is striving for). And this fits perfectly into the reasons for entering Vietnam "Domino Theory" - if Ho and the Communists crush Vietnam, then the whole of Southeast Asia will turn red, which threatens the United States not only with a loss of influence, but also with an actual blockade from half of the world.

2) The precedent of the level itself, the protection of Russians/Kurds/Chinese/Muslims = casus belli for war, this is the path to the abyss. That is, to the growth of military conflicts exponentially. Especially considering that you can interpret infringement as you like.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Attempts to deny the ban on the Russian language are an integral part of Ukrainian Nazism, with which, in fact, I congratulate you.
We will consider the way into the abyss, specifically for Ukraine, the infringement of the interests of the Russian population, and not protection from Russia.
And I absolutely do not care how you are going to interpret it. The interests of Ukraine do not exist for me.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Sergey39

Czech tanks, modernization at the expense of the Dutch and Americans!
And who will argue that we have been fighting with the Ukrainians for so long, and not with NATO! (((

Well, the supply of weapons under Lend-Lease to the USSR did not mean that Germany on the Eastern Front fought against the United States, and not against the USSR.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

It looks like the Americans are buying up Soviet equipment around the world and supplying it to the Ukrainians. And by the hands of the satellites and for their money. If so, then we will have to fight in Ukraine until we destroy everything that we previously scattered around the world. As they say, there is a time to scatter stones and a time to collect stones. I hope that the fuse will overstrain in the end to spend the loot plotting us and will pay for everything. God sees the rogue, God marks the rogue.

[Landing force]

The Ukrainians themselves sold them, and now they are buying them back in three ways (with a rollback, of course).

[iouris]

Bought in the military. Money in the morning, tanks in the evening.

[decimalegio]

Never heard of t72 in the Netherlands. But these T72s are popping up like mushrooms in every country. Probably looking for Tapes in Piedmont in the armored base, T72 also come out of there.

[acetophenone]

As I wrote earlier, time is against us. I don’t know if we can put under arms as many as the outskirts. Guessingly. After all, to put under arms is not to send out subpoenas. It is also to collect, dress-shoe-feed-place. And teach. And this is only half the battle, but their equipment and ammunition are definitely endless. Because - from all over ... well, from half the world - definitely.

[Smart ass_]

Most likely, the tanks that were broken back in March were sent there for repairs.
The Dutch can't tell the difference between weed and Hitler and Bandera.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

But all the bridges, tunnels and ports in Ukraine are intact. Everything for the supply of weapons! Somewhere we have an enemy inside...

[Vasek trubachev]

A very strange war is being waged by our guarantor, they know what and how much and where they will arrive, but their hands still do not reach to turn everything into scrap metal at the entrance to Banderastan.

[DeGreen]

Everything is very simple: at the time of the withdrawal of the Russian army from Estonia, in 1994, by agreement, we left 52 T-72 tanks. 38 T-72 tanks were left in Latvia, 12 T-72 tanks in Lithuania. As far as I know, there are no tank troops in Estonia. In total, the Balts, when leaving the countries, were left with over 600 armored vehicles. About a hundred aircraft. About 60 boats.

[Vladislav VITGEFT]

Summon the Dutch ambassador to the Foreign Office. Report break dip. relations.

[Tarasios]

Quote: rotmistr60

military assistance from the Netherlands involves the transfer of 45 T-72 tanks

Today, it doesn't matter where, when and why the Dutch got these tanks, what matters is something else - 45 tanks will go to Ukraine to kill Russian citizens.

Doesn't matter? I wouldn't say. It turns out, let's say, that these tanks were blindly sold / donated to the Netherlands by the multi-vector Lukashenka, moreover, from Russian supplies. And immediately another calico will come out;)

[Tigran Grigoryan]

Someone in the CSTO is able to send tanks for modernization to the Netherlands7. Do not make me laugh. For the Netherlands has no modernization projects 72

It seems to me or they just bought the T-72M2 from Slovakia

[Warlord]

Most likely from Ukraine, because there are 72 T-45s, you can’t secretly bring them for modernization. The only question is, will they manage to bring them? And secondly, these tanks will be destroyed anyway. Missiles and drones, although in small numbers, are capable of inflicting damage on a battalion of tanks. And if the train is destroyed, it won't make it in time. And the second question, where are our legendary saboteurs who were the Second World War, were the threat of Nazi punishers? Who blew up bridges and roads? For some reason, they are in Ukraine, but not in Russia.

[Parvis rasulov]

According to Jane, in 1991, the Netherlands purchased from Germany 56 former GDR T72 tanks, as well as several dozen infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MTLBs and a number of other types of weapons, some of which were transferred to the Museum of Military History.
Belgium, having signed a contract for DM 62,5 million. These were 32 Mi-24 helicopters at DM 300 per copy, 000 T-100 tanks at DM 72 per copy, 180-mm pistols at DM 000 per unit, including ammunition, light machine guns at DM 9 per unit, RPG-10 DM 75 each, 18 anti-personnel mines DM 85 each.

[Dzafdet]

Most likely from the stocks of the GDR. And how many of them are there in Europe? Everything is brought down and brought down to Ukraine. But we don’t destroy all the points of altering the gauge? Contract at the top?

[zontov79]

Well, you probably have to be not far away to wait for an answer.

[topol717]

How do these tanks get to the front? Are they not going on their own? You can’t bring it by truck, more than 3 meters wide, the only thing left is either railway or sea.

[Svale]

And explain who is in the subject, is this a legally relevant issue? I mean the title of the article "The Ministry of Defense of the Netherlands did not answer the question ..". Do they even have to answer this question? When concluding contracts for the supply of weapons, in this case tanks, is the moment of re-delivery somehow stipulated (limited)?

[zontov79]

It is negotiated of course, but in this case these tanks were produced in the USSR and most likely for the Warsaw Pact country. Therefore, in general, no one will ask! Yes, even if Russia has set who will ask what now? We should not ask, but extinguish them.

[Svale]

Extinguishing is understandable. And explain also, is there any copyright on the tank?