Tachanka, she is also a cart in Africa

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Tachanka, she is also a cart in Africa
Landscapes of Africa. Illustrative photo. The beauty!


For any of your questions - our clear answer:
We have "Maxim", but you do not have it.

Hilaire Belloc (1870–1953), poem "Modern Traveler" (1898)

In 1840, an event occurred in the North American United States, the consequences of which played a prominent role in stories our civilization. This year the famous gunsmith and inventor of the machine gun Hiram Maxim was born. Thirteen years later, on July 5, 1853, another protagonist of our drama appeared on English soil - Cecil Rhodes. And seventeen years before Rhodes, the eyes of another child, whose name was Lobengula, saw the sunlight. He was born in southern Africa, where many years later the fates of these people, so different from each other, converged.




The mighty polygamist Lobengula himself. historical photo

So. First there was a machine gun, and it was invented in 1883 after unsuccessful experiments with an automatic rifle by H. Maxim mentioned above. And then another figure emerges from the fog of history, and a very colorful figure, Cecile Rhodes.


Cecile Rhodes is resting at a halt. historical photo

nineties of the nineteenth century. South Africa, Transvaal, Bechuanaland, there is no Rhodesia yet, but its ghost looms on the horizon, and it is to its creation that the diamond king, one of the richest people of his time, Cecil Rhodes, begins. We will not describe the political situation of that time, we will not go into economic problems - this is not part of our task. Just in 1890, the British South African Privileged Company was formed in southern Africa, which had its own flag, its coat of arms and, possibly, its own anthem. And the managing director of this company was the famous millionaire and entrepreneur Cecil Rhodes, who by that time had also become the prime minister of the Cape Colony.

He was an Englishman by birth, young in age, an adventurer in character, a businessman in mind. And all this coexisted in one person who conceived and brought to life the idea of ​​​​creating a new state. Well, Rhodes chose the lands of a large and strong Ndebel tribe as the object of his claims, who lived in South Africa and from ancient times subjugated other, small and weak tribes, imposing tribute on them.

The Ndebel king Lobengula lived in his capital, Bulawayo. I must say that the Ndebels were a very warlike people who knew military affairs well (in their traditions, of course). And many battles with them ended very badly for the whites. Therefore, at first, Rhodes turned with a "request" to Lobengula, so that he would give a decision to let a dozen or two peaceful gold diggers into his territory. Lobengula was a smart man and understood that the war with the whites would end with the death of his people, and therefore he tried in every possible way to maneuver between assertive whites and his indignant warriors, who just wanted this war, not wanting to endure the presence of whites on their land. In short, Lobengula allowed. Imagine his surprise when he found out what kind of "pioneers-gold diggers" they were! It was a rabble, consisting of people of all professions and all walks of life, including aristocrats, mostly English and Dutch. With them came African laborers, two hundred Bamangwat warriors, and the company's armed mounted police, all under the command of British officers. There were about a thousand or more.


This is how many white settlers moved around Africa at that time. Bristling with guns!

But Lobengula was by no means a naive person. Despite the constant deceptions of white suppliers, he managed, according to contemporaries, to "accumulate" a whole warehouse of guns. Yes, and the Ndebels themselves are the same Zulus known to the whole world, everything is the same with them: both tactics and weapon, and unbending will in battle, and an army of many thousands, the strongest in southern Africa. Suffice it to recall that the war with them cost the death of the Crown Prince of France, the son of Napoleon III. And the death of one and a half thousand Europeans from Zulu spears in the battle of Isandlwana also speaks volumes, although the whites, in addition to rifles, also had cannons, and even a battery of missiles. According to the recollections of the surviving eyewitnesses, the Zulus were approaching like a cloud, and there was no escape from them ...


"The Battle of Isandlwana, 22 January 1879, the death of the British 24th Infantry". This is a painting by C. E. Fripp, 1885. In this battle with the Zulus, the Red Coats, despite being armed with breech-loading rifles, suffered a crushing defeat. African warriors simply crushed them in numbers!

So, on October 6, 1893, the war with the Ndebel began. Columns of white volunteers and detachments of their African allies moved towards their capital Bulawayo. In numerical terms, compared to the Ndebel, not so much. From Fort Victoria - 300 white and 300 African warriors. About the same from Fort Salisbury. At Fort Charter, 400 men were at the ready. 2000 Bamangwat warriors were coming from Bechuanaland. In Bechuanaland itself, 500 British soldiers with officers were sitting in the wings. What were these white guys thinking as they walked through a hostile country with a rifle in their hands? Did the ghost of past defeats and great losses loom in the damp haze of African soil? Who knows. They were walking and they had a goal. And the end, as you know, justifies the means, and the means ... was to become an easel machine gun of the Maxim system!


Hiram Maxim had patents not only for the invention of the mousetrap. In this photo, he is posing with his more deadly invention - with a machine gun named after himself ...

There were eight of them. Only eight machine guns of the Hiram Maxim system against many thousands of Lobengula warriors. Eight trunks that were supposed to give life to some and take it away from others.

It was then, we don’t know who, Rhodes or anyone else, had the idea to put a machine gun on a light steam-horse wagon. In order not to drag him on his hump across the savannah, and at the same time so that he was always ready for battle, a sort of mobile firing point - where necessary, they moved it there, where there were more "Kaffirs" - they used it there. This system justified itself one hundred percent. True, no one then called her a cart, what they called it is not known, but, most likely, they cursed with delight. And why? Listen further. It is only necessary to add that little was known about the machine gun then. It hasn't been used much anywhere. There were vague rumors about the use of these weapons during skirmishes in Uganda in 1891, but all this was unreliable and vaguely unsteady ...

On October 24, 1893 (exactly ten years after the invention of the machine gun), five thousand Ndebels attacked Rhodes' troops on the Shangani River. And if earlier they had, and even justified, the hope of running to the English positions through rifle fire and buckshot of guns, and there equalizing a spear with a bayonet, and a knife with a saber, now they have not left even that. Although we must not forget that they had rifles, and quite a lot. So, with the battle cry "Bayete!" an unstoppable black stream, like an avalanche, poured into the positions of the pioneers. And then something happened, something that the whites probably did not expect, but which, in the depths of their souls, they apparently counted on. One of the leaders of the Ndebel, who led his people on the attack, suddenly stopped and saw that around him all his warriors were falling like cut grass, just falling, falling in rows - it was a shock ... Shock and shock, even for a warrior who had seen blood. In twenty minutes of this battle, the Ndebels lost only 500 people killed. The machine guns kept the Africans away from the White positions, and there was nothing left for the artillery to do. The enemy fled. The second battle took place on November 1 on the Bembesi River. White losses were negligible. The third battle was on November 2 - and again machine guns, on the 4th Bulawayo was occupied, more precisely - the ashes left in its place - the Ndebels themselves burned it, and Lobengula with the remnants of the troops went north to the Zambezi River.

And so it turns out that we all know about the “maxim” and about the machine-gun cart drawn by three hot horses. Books were written about this cart, songs were composed, a monument was erected to it, the artist Grekov masterfully captured it on his canvas, and the movie "Chapaev" generally glorified it all over the world! In our country, almost everyone has heard about it, but few people know the name of the person who first used the cart on the battlefield. In our official history, it is generally accepted that this idea came to the head of the former sergeant-major of the tsarist army, Semyon Budyonny, when he was his red commander. By the way, the same Semyon Mikhailovich, already being a marshal of the Soviet Union, on the eve of World War II, when asked what type of weapon he considers decisive on the battlefield, answered: “Machine-gun cart". And this is in the presence of a huge number tanks on all sides of the future war. In perestroika times, “unexpectedly” it became known that it was not the dashing sergeant-major who came up with all this, but the tsarist general Alexei Brusilov, who also developed the tactics of using the cart. Only the war then was positional, and there was nowhere to use the cart. Most likely, this is exactly what happened, and Budyonny simply took advantage of someone else's idea, passing it off as his own. True, there is another version. That all this was figured out and put into action by the legendary old man Makhno. Without detracting from the contradictory "revolutionary merits" of Nestor Ivanovich, we still allow ourselves to doubt this.


Painting by Mitrofan Grekov "Tachanka", 1925. Dashing cart!

But I must say that at the beginning of the 1914th century, many had the idea of ​​​​installing a machine gun on a light high-speed vehicle. The British installed machine guns on motorcycles back in XNUMX.


English machine gunners on motorcycles, 1914. Photo - Great Soviet Encyclopedia

Machine guns were mounted on motorcycles and light vehicles in many armies in the 1930s and 1940s. At the same time, without denying the value of motors, let's remember the horse! Horse carts fought in the Red Army (and our cavalry performed very well during the Great Patriotic War!), in the Polish army; there were horse teams for machine guns and the Wehrmacht. And even now, the idea of ​​a high-speed armed wagon is more alive than ever - pickup trucks with machine guns installed in the bodies, automatic grenade launchers or anti-tank systems are involved in all the conflicts of our time with might and main.


The commander of the calculation of the machine gun company (commander of the guard senior lieutenant I. G. Kulikov) of the 4th separate motorcycle regiment (from 10.10.1944/4/1915 - the 6th guards omtsp) senior sergeant Andrey Antonovich Pankov (born 2) and corporal Stepan Vasilyevich Ovcharenko behind the machine gun "Maxim". "Maxim" is installed in the back of the "Willis". Northern Transylvania. XNUMXth Guards Tank Army, XNUMXnd Belorussian Front. Photo - waralbum.ru

As you can see, there are different opinions, but Cecile Rhodes was the first to create a cart. So the tachanka is also a tachanka in Africa!

In the end, we note that Lobengula died in 1894 - according to rumors, he may have committed suicide.

Cecil Rhodes died on March 26, 1902, he was not even 49 years old. He left behind a huge fortune and Rhodesia, in fact becoming one of the "builders" of the British Empire, "over which the sun never set." Rhodes was buried near Bulawayo, the former capital of Lobengula.


This cartoon, "Colossus of Rodsky", with a reference to the ancient Wonder of the World, was published even before the war with Lobengula, in December 1892 in the Punch magazine. Here Rhodes tramples Africa with his foot and holds telegraph networks in his hands in order to link the continents. In general, if you omit moral standards, a fairly accurate definition!

Hiram Maxim died in 1916. And left behind mountains of corpses...
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  1. +4
    11 November 2022 06: 37
    Semyon Mikhailovich, already being a marshal of the Soviet Union, on the eve of World War II, when asked what type of weapon he considers decisive on the battlefield, answered: “Machine-gun cart”

    There is nothing surprising in this statement. About the same thought all the generals of all the armies of the world on the eve of World War II.

    There is a famous saying of Marshal Pétain - in a future war everything will be decided by artillery, cavalry and infantry. And all these tanks and planes of yours are children's toys.. I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this statement, but the meaning is exactly this ... Let me remind you that Pétain is the hero of Verdun, a respected person in France and a military authority recognized throughout the world ...
    1. Fat
      +5
      11 November 2022 07: 25
      hi
      Quote: Luminman
      Pétain is the hero of Verdun, a respected man in France and a world-renowned military authority...

      The cut of the First World War.
      The name of Marshal Henri Philippe Pétain has become synonymous with collaborationism. The word itself comes from his call to "cooperate" with the occupiers. How did it happen that this man stood at the head of the defeated France?
      1. +8
        11 November 2022 16: 59
        Quote: Thick
        How did it happen that this man stood at the head of the defeated France?

        What happened is what our pseudo-liberals like to talk about. The French decided to save their culture, architecture and small cozy cafes. And those who called for continued resistance were bullied and pointed to portraits of Pétain. - Do you consider yourself a greater patriot than him?
        1. Alf
          +3
          11 November 2022 22: 44
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          The French decided to save their culture, architecture and small cozy cafes.

          And they said, Let them beat us better than Verdun again.
      2. +7
        11 November 2022 17: 12
        Do not forget that in fact half of France was for Hitler, French industry worked for Germany without any resistance, there were parts of the SS, and even the Reichstag was defended to the last by the SS Charlemagne division. France actually split into fascist and anti-fascist, and after World War II was on the verge of civil war.
        And before the war in France there was one of the strongest fascist parties, which appeared, if I am not mistaken, even before the German NSDAP. What's so surprising...
        1. Alf
          +4
          11 November 2022 22: 49
          Quote: futurohunter
          half

          I think a lot more.
          Quote: futurohunter
          and anti-fascist

          And after the war, General de Gaulle said that "The resistance in France was more of a propaganda myth than a reality" ... I met somewhere that no more than ONE PERCENT of the population participated in the Resistance movement in La Belle France ... It is enough to recall Belarus with her "red zones" ...
          1. +2
            12 November 2022 18: 33
            Some of the German generals, seeing the French at the Nuremberg Trials, were even indignant: Did these also defeat us? As far as I understand, Stalin supported De Gaulle in order to have a loyal politician in the West, and, if possible, alienate France from the Western allies. To some extent, it worked out
          2. 0
            12 November 2022 19: 13
            I came across a curious link about the scale of French collaborationism https://d--34-livejournal-com.turbopages.org/turbo/d-34.livejournal.com/s/128295.html Even the French communists collaborated with the Germans (!) Hitler believed French and British "also Aryans", just "not quite ardent"
  2. +3
    11 November 2022 07: 28
    Quote: Thick
    How did it happen that it was this man who stood at the head of the defeated France?

    "A soldier will always understand a soldier" ©. This is about the fact that the participants in WWI - Peten and Hitler will always understand each other and agree. It turned out a little differently...
  3. +11
    11 November 2022 07: 38
    Just a great morning read. In one breath.
    Thanks to the author!
    1. +9
      11 November 2022 10: 26
      Alexander, tere! drinks You can also recall the concept of wedges. She, too, at first, as soon as they were not called - "all-terrain machine gun", etc. That is, its use is somewhat akin to a cart.
      I remember the name of the African tribe. If you sometimes want to scold someone, you will make such a mournful face and say quietly: "Ndebele, damn it"... laughing
      1. +7
        11 November 2022 11: 15
        Morgen!
        And I liked the expression "Mighty polygamist Lobengula"
        1. +7
          11 November 2022 11: 32
          And I liked the expression "Mighty polygamist Lobengula"

          Lobengula is Lobengula! laughing Now I looked at Vika, they write that he had over 20 wives. fellow Not a Turkish sultan, of course, but still that connoisseur of female forms. laughing When he managed to rule... wassat
          1. +3
            12 November 2022 04: 08
            The correct organization of work decides.
            1. +2
              12 November 2022 15: 40
              The correct organization of work decides.

              How's that, Sergei? In the case of Lobengula? wink To hire a minister-administrator to leave the courtiers without lunch, and arrange group sex with the harem himself? laughing drinks
              1. +2
                12 November 2022 15: 46
                And how can one do without a vizier? Only the choice must be made correctly. It is known that the king's retinue plays.
                1. +2
                  12 November 2022 16: 03
                  And how can one do without a vizier? Only the choice must be made correctly. It is known that the king's retinue plays.

                  Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ... what The Turks systematically appointed Grand Viziers, these viziers commanded armies, and were systematically honed by Suvorov and Kutuzov. angry
                  It seems to me that if the leader is strong, then the retinue will be strong. And if the leader is a turd, then the ministers will be the appropriate consistency of a cesspool. hi
                  1. +3
                    12 November 2022 16: 12
                    Richelieu might not agree.

                    "You have to do everything yourself!" (With).
                    1. +2
                      12 November 2022 16: 13
                      Richelieu might not agree.

                      And, of course, the other side. You're right. Yes
    2. +5
      12 November 2022 03: 24
      Good night, Sasha! smile

      It's great to read such a review. smile There are two authors here and, I can assure you, your assessment is very flattering to them. drinks
      1. Fat
        +2
        12 November 2022 03: 48
        Quote: Sea Cat
        There are two authors

        More, of course ... But other publications somehow do not indulge in recent times. It happens more often that it is of little interest, it doesn’t “stick” - it doesn’t hurt, it passes by. Either the authors do not cope with the topic, or the topic is not relevant recourse
        1. +5
          12 November 2022 03: 52
          More, of course...


          Where did you get more? Take my word for it, there are two. Yes
          1. Fat
            +2
            12 November 2022 11: 35
            hi Ha! "Believe me" ... At this rate, we will reach one ... belay fellow
            "There is no god but (...), but (...) his prophet" (c) wassat
            1. +2
              12 November 2022 12: 27
              Too complicated, I'll try to comprehend, but for this you need to drive to the store. laughing
      2. +3
        12 November 2022 04: 02
        Good night!
        What I felt, after reading, I expressed it.
        Good, light tone.
        Last night I was in the bathhouse, well, I rolled a little and fell asleep. I woke up and I think: why did you hit yourself so early yesterday?
        drinks
        1. +3
          12 November 2022 04: 06
          I was so sleepy for almost a day and missed the whole discussion, but at least I slept off, finally. smile
          1. +2
            12 November 2022 04: 15
            We have a rainy day. Around +10.
            1. +2
              12 November 2022 04: 23
              It is also warm here, but there is no rain, only occasionally dripping.
              1. +2
                12 November 2022 04: 27
                Yesterday we sat chatting and came to the conclusion that the weather is "late" for about a month
                1. +3
                  12 November 2022 04: 35
                  Yes, okay. And now it’s almost like daytime for the people, so Nikolai was, yes, you see, he still fell asleep. smile
                  1. +2
                    12 November 2022 04: 41
                    Friday's!
                    Long evening turning into morning!
                    1. +3
                      12 November 2022 04: 55
                      Long evening turning into morning!


                      As usual in Rus'. smile drinks
                    2. 0
                      12 November 2022 16: 12
                      Long evening turning into morning!

                      Yes, exactly. I look, and chatted at night. It's a good forum! drinks
                      1. Fat
                        +1
                        12 November 2022 17: 42
                        Yes. Forum on the night of 5 to 26, like Serduchka wassat drinks
  4. +3
    11 November 2022 07: 51
    And even now, the idea of ​​a high-speed armed wagon is more alive than ever - pickup trucks with machine guns, automatic grenade launchers or anti-tank systems installed in their bodies are involved in all the conflicts of our time with might and main.



    Most likely, this direction will become a further direction in the development of all kinds of anti-partisan MRAPs and light wheeled tanks in the world: a highly mobile cart-cart already exists and it is necessary to put a stabilized remote machine-gun platform on it initially at the factory. All the same, this technique is factory-made and not local creativity.
    1. +1
      11 November 2022 08: 03
      Most likely, this direction will become a further direction in the development of all kinds of anti-partisan MRAPs and light wheeled tanks in the world

      It's like that! But we must not forget about the upcoming artificial intelligence, which means that it will all be unmanned...
    2. 0
      12 November 2022 19: 20
      Most likely, this direction will become a further direction in the development of all kinds of anti-partisan MRAPs and light wheeled tanks in the world

      It's unlikely. Jihad mobiles are the weapons of the poor, namely the partisans, who cannot afford tanks and other sophisticated equipment. Moreover, these carts can only fight with each other, or with the unarmed population. Regular, well-armed troops quickly turn any carts into scrap metal. This is especially a tasty target for helicopter pilots.
  5. +9
    11 November 2022 07: 53
    The “messenger of Mordor” Hiram Maxim is to blame for everything ...
    Not Hotchkiss, not Browning, not Gatling, not Samuel Colt and Benjamin Tyler Henry, not Henry Shrapnel...
    Not the Mauser brothers...
    1. +5
      11 November 2022 11: 15
      The “messenger of Mordor” Hiram Maxim is to blame for everything ...

      Hi Alexey! drinks Tell me, in the photo of English motorcycles with machine guns - are there Vickers, most likely? How is it different from Maxim?
      1. +4
        11 November 2022 11: 19
        The photo is cloudy, but it seems the box of the machine gun is large, which means it is "Maxim" ...
        "The device of the Vickers machine gun was slightly different from the device of the Maxim machine gun as follows:

        The castle was rotated 180 degrees so that the lower descent was facing up; this made it possible to reduce the height and weight of the box.
        The lid of the box is divided into two halves: the front half of the lid covers the receiver, and the back half closes the box; both parts are fixed on the same axis.
        The butt plate is hinged, attached to the box with two bolts (upper and lower).
        http://smallarms.ru/article?arms=vickers#:~:text=Vickers%20Mk.%20I%20—%20английский,складывалась%20вверх%2C%20а%20не%20вниз
      2. +3
        11 November 2022 11: 26
        Still, this is the Vickers Mk.1
        Adopted in 1911 year.
        1. +5
          11 November 2022 11: 37
          Still, this is the Vickers Mk.1

          Yeah thanks! I thought so. About ten years ago I watched some kind of program, it said that Maxim originally worked in the USA, and was Edison's main competitor - they went literally head to head. fellow This tired the latter, and, reluctantly, he gave Maxim a bag of green banknotes, with parting words: "Scroll to England, get your patents there! And don't bother me doing the same in America!" angry
          Too lazy to check. If you want, check if it's true. drinks
          1. +3
            11 November 2022 12: 03
            Once upon a time, the closet for the ASU is "croaking" ... crying
            1. +3
              11 November 2022 12: 19
              Once upon a time, the closet for the ASU is "croaking" ...

              Help you Lord! drinks Have a good day!
              1. +4
                11 November 2022 12: 37
                drinks drinks drinks
                Do not accept the "radish" cabinet - the customer does not like the dimensions!
                Might have to take it back and replace it with something else... crying crying crying
                1. +3
                  11 November 2022 20: 09
                  You may have to "twist" it back and change it to another one.

                  Changed? drinks You find a photo of German WWII jeeps with machine guns, post them!
                  1. +4
                    11 November 2022 21: 19
                    The authorities "got overwhelmed".
                    The closet was left in place.
                    Tomorrow the installers will put it in place.
                    According to the project, the staff is like this, but the manufacturer assembled it "a little incorrectly and larger"!
                    Teutonic "jeeps" with machine guns ???
                    Were these?
                    1. +1
                      11 November 2022 21: 40
                      Tomorrow the installers will put it in place.

                      Thank God!
                      Teutonic "jeeps" with machine guns ???

                      Were. They put it on their SUVs.
                      1. +2
                        11 November 2022 21: 52
                        In the photo there are only "handbrakes" from MG-13 to MG-42!
                        Photos won't load from my phone! crying
                      2. +2
                        11 November 2022 21: 56
                        In the photo there are only "handbrakes" from MG-13 to MG-42!

                        These were set. Machine gun so-called. "single". At least they fell from the hands, at least put it on the machine and attach the sight.
                        The Italians during the African campaign came up with a good idea. Fiat-SPA AS42 "Sahariana" or SPA-Viberti AS42. And guns were placed, and machine guns. Why not a cart? Only this "cart" also caught up!
                      3. +2
                        11 November 2022 22: 29
                        British desert patrols generally armed their vehicles with everything they could.
                        From "Lewis" infantry and aircraft models to rare aircraft "Brownings"!
                      4. +2
                        11 November 2022 22: 37
                        From "Lewis" infantry and aircraft models to rare aircraft "Brownings"!

                        Yes, American ones too. Maybe you remember in the 90s they showed the American series of the 60s "Rat Patrol"?
                        Somehow it worked out. Tachanka? In general - yes!
                      5. +2
                        11 November 2022 22: 50
                        Almost everyone has "had fun and is having fun" by making "carts" so far!
                      6. +2
                        12 November 2022 02: 21
                        Hi Aleksey!
                        And how do you like this box, probably from trophies, what do you think, whose?
                      7. +1
                        12 November 2022 02: 28
                        And how do you like this box, probably from trophies, what do you think, whose?

                        German, I must say, front-wheel drive box. Sd.Kfz 13. The Germans themselves called it "trough", used it in Poland in 1939. Your photo is a replica.
                      8. +1
                        12 November 2022 02: 38
                        Yeah, it's understandable, and for sure - "Trough".

                        Try to guess what kind of motorcycle miracle it is, there was no caption under the photo. The machine gun is almost exactly MG-13, the uniform is like the German of the First World War or immediately after, but the helmets ...
                      9. +1
                        12 November 2022 02: 40
                        The machine gun is almost exactly MG-13, the uniform is like the German of the First World War or immediately after, but the helmets ...

                        Helmets, most likely, model 1918. Cars of the times 1918-1933. The Germans could not have anything then.
                      10. +1
                        12 November 2022 02: 56
                        I thought so, like the beginnings of the "Reichswehr".
                      11. +1
                        12 November 2022 03: 01
                        I thought so, like the beginnings of the "Reichswehr".

                        In general, it is very similar. They were then forbidden to have aircraft, tanks and a normal fleet - the Germans perverted as best they could in order to circumvent the bans. request
                      12. +1
                        12 November 2022 03: 16
                        the Germans perverted as best they could,


                        It would be better if they did not do this, but you can’t guess here. request
                      13. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 10
                        https://alternathistory.com/vadim-antonov-ot-pikelhaube-k-shtalhelmu/#stalnye-shlemy-obraztsa-1917-i-1918-godov
                        “There was and was used by the troops a variety of the M18 helmet, which did not have an official designation and went down in history under several names: “cavalry”, “telephone operator helmet”, “artillery helmet”, “radio engineer”.
                        In this helmet, a cutout was made in front of the ears in the side fields of the helmet to ensure better audibility. The helmet was designed and tested in August 1918. The reason for the development was complaints about poor hearing in a conventional helmet coming from the front. Before the end of the First World War, a very small number of these helmets were produced in a single size 64, although the plan for their release was significant.

                        Like the rest of the samples, these helmets were used by the Wehrmacht until the end of World War II.
                      14. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 20
                        a type of M18 helmet was used in the troops,


                        Yes, I already found this helmet on the net.
                      15. +2
                        12 November 2022 10: 59
                        Possibly a "replica" Kfz.13.
                        But this is an armored car.
                        With thin, but armor!
                        And the tachanka, like the original tankette, was intended primarily for transporting a heavy machine gun.
                      16. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 02
                        Hi Aleksey! hi
                        But this is an armored car.

                        This is understandable, I just came across this photo for the first time, so I was curious. smile
                      17. +3
                        12 November 2022 11: 14
                        Was the same with the radio. Kfz.14.
                        On the Soviet FAI and BA-20, at least the tower had a armored roof.
                      18. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 25
                        Were they both made on the basis of Emka?
                      19. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 29
                        Peray on the GAZ-A chassis.
                        The second on the GAZ M-1 chassis.
                      20. +2
                        13 November 2022 17: 44
                        On the Soviet FAI and BA-20, at least the tower had a armored roof.

                        Perhaps ours should have abandoned the tower, replacing it with a turret with an armored shield ... what Visibility is better! drinks
                      21. +1
                        13 November 2022 17: 54
                        And the ability to "catch" a grenade is higher!
                        What the military asked for, they "built".
                        The military and BA-64 wished triple ...
                        The designers "sent them into the forest" and created a two-seat car!
                      22. +1
                        13 November 2022 18: 04
                        And the ability to "catch" a grenade is higher!

                        The Germans in this case put anti-grenade nets. In general, such a machine, according to its purpose, "should not catch grenades." She has to do intelligence.
                      23. +1
                        13 November 2022 18: 52
                        The first BA-64s were equipped with nets to protect the turrets from grenades.
                        The military didn't like it.
                        And they asked them...
                        Does reconnaissance not imply the possibility of battle ???
                        To capture the language? To stop the retreating enemy column?
                        And so on ...
                      24. +1
                        12 November 2022 19: 24
                        SdKfz are no longer carts, but full-fledged armored vehicles. We also had Scouts and Ba-64s. Nobody compares them with carts?
                      25. +1
                        13 November 2022 08: 28
                        . Nobody compares them with carts?

                        And where do you see a comparison with carts?

                        Sea Cat (Constantine)
                        4
                        Yesterday, 02: 21

                        +2
                        Hi Aleksey!
                        And how do you like this box, probably from trophies, what do you think, whose?

                        Would read more carefully, would not write nonsense.

                        Speaking of Scouts, we didn’t have them, we used to have them, like other equipment supplied under Lend-Lease.
                      26. 0
                        13 November 2022 08: 51
                        Do you need to find fault with words?
                        Any technique "happens", because sooner or later it dies in battles, or it is written off
                      27. +2
                        13 November 2022 08: 58
                        Well, write more specifically, no one will "find fault". And the fact that military equipment is a "consumable" is understandable. It's about nationality, and nothing more.
                      28. Alf
                        +2
                        11 November 2022 22: 57
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Maybe you remember in the 90s they showed the American TV series of the 60s "Rat Patrol"?

                        Thanks for the reminder. I remembered the name for a long time, but I never remembered. By the way, where can I download it for review, otherwise Rutrekker covered himself like ...
                      29. +2
                        12 November 2022 03: 31
                        Well, there is such a variety in general that if you cram all the photos, then the page will not be enough.



                      30. +3
                        12 November 2022 04: 12
                        In the third photo, the colors are just amazing.

                        And people are armed in accessible ways.

                        Such is the "cradle of mankind" in a broad sense.
                      31. +3
                        12 November 2022 04: 15
                        Yes, it turned out interesting with flowers, the downloaded photo was microscopic in size, I had to photoshop it, at the same time I played with colors, I'm glad you liked it. smile
                      32. +2
                        12 November 2022 04: 17
                        Not the right word - liked it.
                        Now even more interesting - what colors really.
                      33. +2
                        12 November 2022 04: 22
                        It's hard to say, in the original everything was small, dark and muddy. And I didn't save it either.
                      34. +2
                        12 November 2022 04: 42
                        The original remains in the landscape. In place and in time.

                        Now all "researchers" will refer to this photo.
                      35. +2
                        12 November 2022 04: 59
                        Now all "researchers" will refer to this photo.

                        So it is for health. drinks
                      36. +2
                        12 November 2022 05: 14
                        It must be nice to be a "founding father."
                      37. +2
                        12 November 2022 06: 05
                        I don’t know, it’s probably depending on what the founder is. laughing
                      38. +2
                        12 November 2022 09: 06
                        Something very big and good.
                      39. +2
                        12 November 2022 09: 51
                        In addition to the harem, nothing comes to mind. laughing
                      40. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 33
                        Somehow not surprised. Comrade Sukhov. And the machine gun, again, asked.
                      41. +2
                        12 November 2022 12: 11
                        Comrade Sukhov's harem was quite politically correct. wink

                      42. +1
                        12 November 2022 12: 13
                        Adapted for the conditions of the middle lane?
                      43. +2
                        12 November 2022 12: 25
                        With Marx in my head and with a machine gun in my hand. laughing
                      44. +2
                        12 November 2022 12: 48
                        How Lermontov was criticized: "With wine in the chest."
                      45. +2
                        12 November 2022 13: 06
                        Anything is better than "with Nagant in hand."
                      46. +1
                        12 November 2022 15: 44
                        Comrade Sukhov. And the machine gun, again, asked.

                        I'm interested in something else. Where did he get "Lewis" in the story? request Vereshchagin did not give a machine gun! stop
                        By the way, the bodyguards of Old Man Makhno, who is also credited with the invention of the cart, were armed with "Lewis" - they were called "Lewis". A kind of division of "machine gunners". Yes
                      47. +1
                        14 November 2022 20: 36
                        In the museum, he found a handbrake and fixed it.
                      48. +1
                        12 November 2022 19: 22
                        Saharians are excellent weapons for reconnaissance patrols and colonial wars with the natives. No more
                    2. +5
                      11 November 2022 21: 48
                      The authorities "got overwhelmed".
                      In our business, the main thing is to convince the customer that you are doing what is convenient for you, and not the way he wants. And that this is the only correct method!!! Read the book "Fundamentals of the construction business in Russia"
                      1. +3
                        11 November 2022 21: 59
                        In our business, the main thing is to convince the customer that you are doing what is convenient for you, and not the way he wants.

                        When the customer begins to make unnecessary unreasonable claims, I show him the erotic path on foot. laughing
                      2. +5
                        11 November 2022 22: 05
                        How harsh, however, "Captain Mikhailov" ...)))
                      3. +4
                        11 November 2022 22: 10
                        How harsh, however, "Captain Mikhailov" ...)))

                        Do you know what my reviews say? I'll tell you later.
                        And here you are, Anatolyich, you hold the esponton badly! request It is necessary cheerfully and proudly, Seryoga Mikhailov will explain to you! angry
                        All in all, it's a good forum. good By the way, to you, Mikhail, Sailboat - I send greetings from Elena. love


                        We will live, we will rejoice, we will love good beautiful women! drinks
                      4. +2
                        11 November 2022 22: 17
                        Everything is fine with me with "esponton".
                      5. +3
                        11 November 2022 22: 27
                        Everything is fine with me with "esponton".

                        I didn’t hold it in my hands (thank God), but I’m sure that your personal esponton is an esponton for all espontons. Yes fellow Generally sure! drinks Mr Loba Loba, Big Lobengula! good drinks
                      6. +1
                        12 November 2022 02: 08
                        How harsh, however, "Captain Mikhailov" ...)))

                        Do you know that the second part of "Streets on Fire" - "The Road to Hell" has never been translated into Russian, because it was such a cheap CGI film that it was released directly on DVD?
                        And I had to study the question - five years ago ... what
                        Well, you know, Reverend Michael Pare is Our Everything! good drinks
                      7. +5
                        11 November 2022 22: 53
                        They read the draft!
                        The project was just what we needed.
                        But the manufacturer has messed up a little.
                        Do everything according to the drawings and there will be no ... unnecessary talk!
                        We then came to the thermal center. They saw the "amateur performance" of the locksmiths and refused to work until ALL THEIR "WRICHES" were eliminated!
                        On Monday, a "consilium" will be assembled and they will be explained why they "were wrong"!
                      8. +3
                        12 November 2022 00: 14
                        They read the draft!
                        Yeah, on the level: like it, don't like it, sleep, my beauty!
                        Familiar ...
                      9. +2
                        12 November 2022 09: 43
                        Good morning, Anton!
                        The main thing was in the filling of the locker. And she was 90% consistent with the project!
                        There was a smaller locker, but with a completely different filling. for another object.
                  2. Fat
                    +4
                    11 November 2022 23: 58
                    hi Nikolay. Well, I have no doubts that the "Kubelvagen" is a decent car. I saw this scow and even rode. It is quite possible to place an 8-cm Granatwerfer 34 mortar, or MG 34/42 there. But was it done? No info But this was quite present at the "ganomags" drinks
                    1. +1
                      12 November 2022 01: 14
                      But on the "ganomagi" this was quite present

                      Borisych, hello! Searchlights, flamethrowers, mortars, and a short 75-mm "shtummel" cannon (a cigarette butt on ours) were placed on the "ganomages". And on our BTR-152 (which was an analogue of the "ganomag") - and a dual 14,5-mm anti-aircraft gun.
                      1. Fat
                        +2
                        12 November 2022 02: 07
                        Well, "ganomags" are still wheeled and caterpillar ... bigger and smaller. Our 152 more is American.
                        "Panzerwerfer"
                      2. +2
                        12 November 2022 02: 13
                        "Panzerwerfer"

                        This is not a "ganomag", this is an Opel Maultier covered with armor. Attached to SS Panzer Divisions* (*banned in Russia).
                      3. Fat
                        +2
                        12 November 2022 02: 23
                        Honestly, if I have a "ganomag" is clearly associated with the people's car of the 20s. "Komisbrot" - bread to boot. And their military projects, I remember much worse. I know that launch tubes for "nebelwerfer" type shells were placed on the sides of the BM in pairs ... I do not rule out that I am confused and mistaken. request
                      4. +3
                        12 November 2022 02: 35
                        I know that on the sides of the BM, launch tubes for "nebelverfer" type shells were placed in pairs

                        With different shells, including the Nebelwerfer.
                      5. +4
                        12 November 2022 02: 24
                        And here, by the way, is the natural Wehrmacht "cart" laughing
                      6. +1
                        12 November 2022 02: 31
                        And here, by the way, is the natural Wehrmacht "cart"

                        Yes exactly! The Germans did not disdain such designs at all! Yes
                      7. +2
                        12 November 2022 02: 57
                        It’s not clear just what kind of sign on board the body, somehow it doesn’t really look like the “regimental” familiar to the Germans.
                      8. +3
                        12 November 2022 15: 20
                        The Germans did not disdain such designs at all.

                        Hello. And why should they disdain, if it's in the state Yes

                        In the infantry division of the Wehrmacht there were 5375 horses, of which: - 1.743 riding,
                        - 3.632 draft (including 2.249 in the artillery regiment) against the rifle division of the Red Army, where according to the state there are 3039 horses ...
                      9. +2
                        12 November 2022 15: 35
                        Hello. And why should they disdain, if it's in the state

                        Hello Warrior! drinks Here is a photo from the Museum of the North-Western Front in Staraya Russa, May 2021, taken by my Nastya. To the left of our quadruple "maxim" is a German machine-gun anti-aircraft installation (without a machine gun). Somewhere I saw a photo of the same on wheels ...

                        Call for quality, panov, it’s difficult to shoot through a shop window. recourse

                        Hello. And why should they disdain, if it's in the state

                        Photo of shooting from a horse - is it, apparently, the SS-sheep "Florian Geyer" or "Maria Theresa"? (banned in Russia).
                      10. +1
                        14 November 2022 20: 47
                        1st Cavalry Division of the Wehrmacht!!!
                        "Florian and Maria" were later.
                      11. +2
                        12 November 2022 05: 36
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Wehrmacht

                        Wehrmacht? Pay attention to the emblem. The machine gunner has a helmet. bully
                        Good morning Konstantin!
                        I'm going to work in the morning. hi
                      12. +2
                        12 November 2022 06: 10
                        Hello, Sergey! smile
                        Wehrmacht? Pay attention to the emblem. The machine gunner has a helmet.

                        Turned. Naturally - the Wehrmacht.

                      13. +1
                        12 November 2022 11: 25
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Drew.


                        Of course I was wrong. Sorry! Confused tricolor. hi
                      14. +2
                        12 November 2022 11: 28
                        It's all the little things in life. smile Are you at work already?
                      15. +2
                        12 November 2022 12: 38
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Are you at work already?

                        Ha, ha, ha, ha! I've been on it since 6.45. Free schedule. bully On the topic. To be honest, I took these guys from the "cart" for some kind of national connection, which is why I was surprised. hi
                      16. +2
                        12 November 2022 13: 10
                        Come on, some "Charlemagne remembered? laughing

                      17. +3
                        12 November 2022 14: 54
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Charlemagne

                        Well, yes. Here such an opportunity happened. And then I climbed to find out and realized that * the boss made a mistake! *. recourse
                      18. +2
                        12 November 2022 15: 04
                        Forever these guardians of serious people get in the way! laughing
                      19. +2
                        12 November 2022 16: 47
                        Forever these guardians of serious people get in the way!

                        Shunkov has this photo in his book. For the first time, the French legion (not yet the "Charlemagne" division * - banned in Russia) went into battle near Moscow, and ours raped him in a knee-elbow position. laughing It seems that then this rabble in 1945 participated in the defense of Berlin.
                      20. +1
                        12 November 2022 18: 23
                        It seems that then this rabble in 1945 participated in the defense of Berlin.

                        I read that, like, they fought stubbornly. On the other hand, they still had nowhere to go.
                      21. +2
                        13 November 2022 17: 51
                        On the other hand, they still had nowhere to go.

                        In general - yes. The Germans even threw sailors into the defense of Berlin, but we are generally silent about military pensioners and the Hitler Youth from the Volkssturm. No.
                        Here is this moment from the movie "Bunker" (which is now famous for the famous "Hitler's opinion") was filmed two hundred meters from my work, Leningrad, Shkapin street. When a beautiful girl with pigtails talks about serving the "Führer", behind her is the building of the bathhouse, the corner of Library Lane. and st. Shkapin. The building is from the 70s. Pay attention, teenagers are practicing with our own 85-mm anti-aircraft gun.
                      22. +2
                        13 November 2022 17: 54
                        Yes, I remember this scene, but I never saw the movie itself.

                        And as for our anti-aircraft guns, they had trophy ones and they called them "Russian klyster", remember "The Adventures of Werner Holt".


                      23. +2
                        13 November 2022 18: 19
                        And as for our anti-aircraft guns, they had trophy ones and they called them "Russian klyster", remember "The Adventures of Werner Holt".

                        I haven't seen the movie, but I remember the title. The Germans were still those crumblers, and they took into service everything that shoots and moves. French tanks (even the old Renault FT-17s served in the gendarmerie), rifles from all countries, our guns.
                        After the defeat of the invaders near Stalingrad, ours took captured guns. These were our original divisional F-22s, but the Germans squandered the charging chamber, put on a muzzle brake, and began to release their ammunition - at that time it was one of the best Wehrmacht anti-tank guns. Ours called her "viper". They reported to Stalin, he called Grabin, the designer of the F-22 - it was decided not to give way to this direction - it is necessary to release new shells, there are very few captured guns ...
                        Also, watch the old film "The Lark", which has now been turned into a new crap film "T-34". In the film of the 60s, the Germans tested new guns on our tanks. These are French captured divisional guns, also 75-mm Schneider guns, model 1897, which were put on the machine from the German anti-tank 50-mm PAK-38, and they put a muzzle brake - "pepper pot". These were some of the best German anti-tank guns in 1942. hi
                        They called them 7,5 cm PaK 97/38. Here is one in the Museum of Finland.
                      24. +1
                        13 November 2022 18: 45
                        I didn’t watch the film

                        The film is based on the book by Dieter Knoll "The Adventures of V.Kh.", I advise you to read the book and watch the film, especially the book, Knoll himself went all the way that he describes in the book, there is also a sequel, the second volume, but much weaker than the first.
                        The Germans were still those crumblers

                        No, they were just economic.

                        I saw the old "Lark", the film is not bad, but the ending is absolutely drooling.

                        Bruno Oya as the gallant Obersturmführer.
                      25. +1
                        13 November 2022 19: 00
                        The film is based on the book by Dieter Knoll "The Adventures of V.Kh."

                        I downloaded "SS in action" on your advice. Trembling from crimes... Fanatics!
                        Bruno Oya as the gallant Obersturmführer.

                        No one has just worn a black uniform since the late 30s. This is cinema. If you want to designate an enemy, make him in menacing black.
                        And only Stirlitz, Muller and Eisman could wear such a uniform during the war. And also "the old Hollywood loser" Michael Pare - but his shirt is black, not according to the charter.


                        The main stocks of this dress uniform of the SS were handed over to warehouses even before WWII, and then they were used for uniforms of the so-called. "auxiliary police" in the occupied territories - those very well-wishers-policemen ... The uniform was sheathed with blue cloth around the cuffs - that's how it turned out.
                      26. +1
                        13 November 2022 19: 17
                        No one has just worn a black uniform since the late 30s.

                        Yes, I know. I don't remember Pare as an SS man, what movie? And why a loser?
                      27. +1
                        13 November 2022 19: 31
                        Yes, I know. I don't remember Pare as an SS man, what movie? And why a loser?

                        "Bloodrain 3, Third Reich". The film is cheap.
                        Why a loser? He starred in cheap action films of the 80s of the VHS era, which were shown in our video halls.
                        But his talent did not win respect. request Therefore, now he is filming with Uwe Boll and some frank shit-foreign agent Alexander Kuritsyn, a frank cheapo who cursed our country, and I pray that this degenerate ends very badly! am

                        Paré on the left, Kuritsyn on the right. Ugh.
                        https://filmz.ru/pub/1/33099_1.htm
                      28. +2
                        13 November 2022 19: 42
                        This moron Kuritsin had never had a cliché Alexander Nevsky before. If so, then I remember - that was still a club, I could not connect two words, since I had grown a ton of meat on the bones.
                      29. +1
                        13 November 2022 19: 55
                        This moron Kuritsin had never had a cliché Alexander Nevsky before. If so, then I remember - that was still a club, I could not connect two words, since I had grown a ton of meat on the bones.

                        Yes, in general, chicken is an ndebel! And now a traitor. An outspoken cheap SCARY traitor for his dubious jams and biscuits. Although .. who needs it there? let it die in a trash can, I'll get drunk on joy! angry drinks
                        But how Pare agreed with him ... Shame! request
                      30. +2
                        13 November 2022 20: 13
                        But how Pare agreed with him ... Shame!

                        PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING THAT FOR MONEY. request
                      31. +3
                        14 November 2022 06: 43
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        But how Pare agreed with him ... Shame!

                        You answered yourself!
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        jam and cookies.

                        laughing
                        Moreover, Pair had no blockbusters in his account. GENERALLY. "Philadelphia experiment"? Failed at the box office with a bang. After that, the producers *appointed* him to be extreme. It.Covered.It happens.*This is Moscow, baby!* bully
                        Good morning, friends!
                      32. +3
                        14 November 2022 06: 48
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Yes, in general, chicken is an ndebel! And now a traitor. An outspoken, cheap, cowardly traitor

                        Well, I found someone to spend my attention on, huh? Yes, it's just a thrill for him! PR! In fact? Yes, an ordinary cheap * laundry *. That's all. request
                      33. +2
                        14 November 2022 10: 55
                        Yes, an ordinary cheap * laundry *.

                        Please! Not a "laundry", but a "university of culture"! laughing drinks
                      34. +3
                        14 November 2022 11: 22
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        cultural university!

                        I'm not in the sense of his level of culture and intellect. I'm in the sense of where he *takes* a lot of money to create his own ....*imperishable*! laughing Artistic, damn it, films. bully
                      35. +2
                        14 November 2022 13: 31
                        I mean where he *takes* a lot of money to create his own .... *imperishable*!

                        I'm even afraid to think, Sergey! laughing drinks
                      36. +3
                        14 November 2022 13: 45
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I'm even afraid to think, Sergey!

                        Here! We are all masters of criticism.
                        works. Many.Acting.In Hollywood.Leather jackets.Three....But no! bully
                      37. +2
                        14 November 2022 19: 06
                        In a word, a titan! A seasoned human being.

                        Your sparkling sarcasm, Sergey, is counted! good Remind me tomorrow to print his photo at work, and then go to the toilet with him and use it for its intended purpose. laughing drinks
                      38. +3
                        14 November 2022 19: 12
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I printed his photo at work, and then went to the toilet with him, and used it for its intended purpose.

                        Oops! What an interesting and most importantly not banal idea!
                        The rest probably in * PM * I will write. belay
                      39. +2
                        14 November 2022 19: 15
                        The rest probably in * PM * I will write.

                        Good. Note, an excellent forum turned out - 270 comments. It is very good. drinks
                      40. +3
                        14 November 2022 19: 30
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        turned out - 270 comments. It is very good.

                        No. It's great! good
                        By the way. And how did you write together? Do not offer the words of Ilf and Petrov! bully
                      41. +2
                        14 November 2022 21: 09
                        I can only say that sitting at the same table we would not have cooked anything, there would not have been enough drinks or snacks. laughing laughing drinks
                      42. +3
                        14 November 2022 19: 34
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        The rest probably in * PM * I will write.

                        There I asked a purely technical question. laughing
                      43. +1
                        14 November 2022 22: 20
                        excellent forum turned out - 270 comments.

                        I would especially like to note the Nephew - he spoke exclusively on the topic of the article. laughing drinks
                      44. +2
                        14 November 2022 20: 53
                        In black and white pictures, it was difficult to indicate the enemy's belonging to the Gestapo and SS units. Therefore, they introduced a black uniform for such characters. Characters from the Wehrmacht left "mouse gray"!
                        I have heard this version.
                      45. +2
                        14 November 2022 20: 50
                        "Battle on the lake" 2021. China.
                        About the events of the Korean War!
                      46. +2
                        14 November 2022 21: 05
                        Alexey hi , I did not understand at all what your comment on my text was about. Explain, it's interesting. smile
                      47. +2
                        14 November 2022 21: 17
                        Good evening Konstantin!
                        You recommended a film about the adventures of the "Teutonic", and I advise you to watch a film about the Korean War. View of a Chinese volunteer. I haven't seen it myself yet, but I advise you to check it out. One minus is given - it's hard to remember Asian actors and track their behavior in night battles with the Americans!
                      48. +2
                        14 November 2022 21: 39
                        Got it.))) Today Lyokha Lexus took us on business all over Ryazan, I'm tired as hell that the head almost does not work.
                        Leshka says hello to all friends on the site. drinks

                        Thank you for the tip, I will definitely watch the film, although there are big doubts about the creative abilities of North Korean artists, I saw their magazines.
                      49. +2
                        14 November 2022 21: 47
                        Chinese movie!!! China, not North Korea!!!
                        You are completely tired! Time to sleep!
                      50. +2
                        14 November 2022 22: 12
                        Yeah... laughing really. Goodnight. drinks

                        During my childhood they said: "There are good films, there are bad films, and there are Chinese films."
                        But I understand that times are changing. smile
                      51. +1
                        15 November 2022 13: 26
                        But I understand that times are changing.

                        Yes, now the Chinese cinema is very even on the level. I advise you to watch "Signal to collect".
                      52. +1
                        15 November 2022 14: 09
                        Kolya, hi! smile
                        And he recorded this film as a memorial.
                        I was also advised to watch "Beer Run", but I haven't got around to it yet and I can't say anything. drinks
                      53. +1
                        16 November 2022 12: 15
                        I was also advised to watch "Beer Run", but I haven't got around to it yet and I can't say anything.

                        Do you remember how thirty years ago Chinese cinema was associated only with Hong Kong and Jackie Chan? laughing
                        From the Russian-Chinese look also "How I Became Russian". Laugh. drinks
                      54. +2
                        16 November 2022 12: 18
                        Come on, I laughed at Chinese films as a child.

                        "Comrade Gao, I caught a spy!
                        - Well done, this is very important !!!!!!" (c) laughing wassat
                      55. +1
                        16 November 2022 12: 25
                        Come on, I laughed at Chinese films as a child.

                        Watch the North Korean film "Order No. 027" - generally gorgeous. In quotation marks. Let's just say ... peculiar! laughing
                      56. +2
                        16 November 2022 13: 22
                        Watch the North Korean film "Order No. 027"


                        I haven't even heard of him. laughing Which year?
                      57. +1
                        16 November 2022 13: 55
                        I haven't even heard of him.

                        He was in theaters in the late 80s with might and main. 85th or 86th. Juche warriors are beating the damned South Korean bourgeoisie. laughing Lots of hand to hand combat. fellow
                      58. +2
                        16 November 2022 14: 31
                        No, then I won’t watch, I’m not a fan of hand-to-hand combat, because I don’t own it myself.
                        As it was in one of Cruise's books: "Our most advanced hand-to-hand fighter was flunked by a 13-year-old girl who knew where her father hides a machine gun" (c) This is Afghan. drinks
                      59. +2
                        16 November 2022 20: 08
                        No, then I won’t watch, I’m not a fan of hand-to-hand combat, because I don’t own it myself.

                        Yes, you are not supposed to own it, you masterfully own any T-55. The adversaries themselves will scatter, you will run over any melee, and you will not notice. bully
                        As it was in one book with Cruise

                        Which one is Cruz? From Santa Barbara? So that "colt python" was, sort of. laughing Hello to you and Maria from Nastya! drinks Mika the cat is also sitting nearby, howling - apparently, he also sends greetings. Yes
                      60. +1
                        16 November 2022 21: 02
                        Which one is Cruz?


                        Andrew Cruz. Combat fantasy. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it. Unfortunately, the man died early - cancer.



                        Here the main character goes along with a partner, a tailed friend senses danger much earlier than his friend with a machine gun. smile

                        Nastya from us, too, a big hello! love
                        Bow to the Mikado, our bandit is already sleeping without his hind legs. laughing
                      61. +2
                        17 November 2022 13: 59
                        Andrew Cruz. Combat fantasy. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it. Unfortunately, the man died early - cancer.

                        Very sorry. recourse Unfortunately, I didn't read it.
                        Bow to the Mikado

                        This hairy bastard, when he begs for food, speaks in all possible languages, and always in a new way. Even barks sometimes (at least very similar). laughing
                      62. +1
                        17 November 2022 14: 06
                        Ours has mastered the croaking, the creaking of unoiled door hinges, and the squeaking of a bat. Also a fucking polyglot. laughing
                        True, when he wants to eat, he silently stands by the bowl with all his appearance, personifying courageous long-suffering. smile
                      63. +1
                        17 November 2022 19: 48
                        Ours has mastered the croaking, the creaking of unoiled door hinges, and the squeaking of a bat. Also a fucking polyglot.

                        Yours is a yard pirate, hardened and enterprising. Yes Mine is also a yard (although everyone who sees it for the first time claims that it is thoroughbred!), but in two months they picked it up and brought it to me. request He saw nothing but living quarters. He is afraid to drive a car - he suits tantrums. belay His only "feat" was when, in July 2020, he went to warm himself outside the window on the eaves of the second floor, and slammed into the bushes. laughing An unfamiliar girl yells at me from the street - "Your cat has fallen!" smile I looked out, I look, he is in her arms. I took a bottle of champagne from the reserves and ran downstairs. I say - "This is for you, thanks for saving the fluffy one!" love And he sits in her arms, morally shattered, turning his eyes from what he experienced ... wassat
                        True, when he wants to eat, he silently stands by the bowl with all his appearance, personifying courageous long-suffering.

                        Nastya and I have "the roles of a good and bad cop." Yes I can show slippers, he shuts up. belay As soon as I go out on the stairs to smoke - Mika sits down in front of her, starts yelling! laughing
                      64. +1
                        17 November 2022 20: 29
                        No, both of us are kind "policemen", but sometimes, just in case, the cat crawls under the bed, having funnyly turned off his fat ass. laughing
                        That's what he never does, he never sits next to us while we eat and, moreover, he doesn't beg for anything, for this we really appreciate him, as well as for the fact that he never climbs into anyone's hands.
                        Here is such a "wrong" cat. smile
                      65. +1
                        19 November 2022 01: 45
                        Here is such a "wrong" cat.

                        Of course it's wrong! laughing
                      66. +1
                        19 November 2022 11: 33
                        Here is such a "wrong" cat.

                        Of course it's wrong! laughing


                        But beloved! smile
                      67. +1
                        19 November 2022 20: 13
                        But beloved!

                        Mine does not leave Nastya. Always ready to beg for food. laughing I call him - a devoted shepherd! laughing
                      68. +1
                        19 November 2022 20: 25
                        And what to punish, he doesn’t have so much joy in his life: sleep, eat, but what would be scratched behind the ear. smile
                        Our even a fighter and a hunter, but still loves all this. wink
                        Nastya hello! love
                      69. +1
                        19 November 2022 20: 40
                        Nastya hello!

                        I will convey! drinks And from us - Mary! love
                      70. +1
                        19 November 2022 20: 57
                        When she wakes up, she gets up early and goes to bed early too. smile
                      71. 0
                        19 November 2022 21: 03
                        When she wakes up, she gets up early and goes to bed early too.

                        Well then, come and kiss me. love Nastya is waving her paw at you. drinks
                    2. +2
                      12 November 2022 02: 07
                      Here are the same MG 34/42s on the same "Kyubel".




                      Hi Andrew! smile
                      1. +1
                        12 November 2022 19: 50
                        Samopal ... Based on. The front doesn't look like itself at all.
                      2. +2
                        13 November 2022 17: 53
                        Samopal ... Based on. The front doesn't look like itself at all.

                        There is a replica Sd.Kfz.222 in Zelenogorsk Museum of Vintage Cars. It looks like it is based on GAZ-53 or even GAZ-51. I personally saw her on the go in May 2010 on Narodnogo Opolcheniya Avenue, St. Petersburg.
  6. +4
    11 November 2022 08: 44
    Quote: Thick
    hi
    Quote: Luminman
    Pétain is the hero of Verdun, a respected man in France and a world-renowned military authority...

    The cut of the First World War.
    The name of Marshal Henri Philippe Pétain has become synonymous with collaborationism. The word itself comes from his call to "cooperate" with the occupiers. How did it happen that this man stood at the head of the defeated France?


    We now know him as a collaborator.
    And then he was known as the hero of Verdun. And they did not know that behind the gray mustache he still remains an unscrupulous adventurer, very much desiring to try on the mantle of Napoleon. Well, or, given the circumstances, at least Adolphe Thiers.
    1. Fat
      +1
      12 November 2022 00: 52
      hi Well, it’s necessary ... France became the victorious country, thanks to 1% of the resisters, Russian emigrants and the inflexible De Gaulle .... And it really was an ally of the Reich. "Charlemagne" - rest in peace, After the First World War, there is really nothing to praise for, except for the beauty Dewoitine D.520
  7. +6
    11 November 2022 09: 09
    Rhodes or someone else had the idea to put a machine gun on a light steam-horse wagon.
    When transported by machine guns on ordinary wagons along the then roads of South Africa, the machine gun's aim was very quickly lost due to shaking on potholes. As a result, after each transportation, the machine gun had to be shot again. It was a completely different matter if you piled up the calculation on a spring cart, which went smoothly even over the most terrible bumps and impassability, which made it possible not only to carry a machine gun, but also to use it immediately after arriving at the place .It is important to understand that a machine gun on a cart was actually immediately ready for battle, unlike machine gun crews that were transported on ordinary wagons or carts. On carts, something like a turret was installed, which allowed Maxim to rotate or even lift him higher. Thanks to this, such wheeled crews could operate separately from the infantry and cavalry, occupying the most advantageous position in battle for organizing crossfire. At the same time, the cart retained great mobility both in and out of combat. The latter was especially important in a low-intensity conflict. In the battle on the Shangani River, machine guns were used, they stood on ordinary wagons closed in a circle according to the Boer model. Therefore, a machine-gun crew on a spring cart-cart is a purely Russian invention. It is most likely impossible to say who exactly invented the cart first. Its "development" during the Civil War was not documented in any way. It would be most fair to assume that yesterday's peasants thought of using the cart in several places of the former Russian Empire at once.
    1. +7
      11 November 2022 13: 24
      Therefore, a machine-gun crew on a spring wagon-tachanka is a purely Russian invention

      It is clear that Russia is the birthplace of elephants, radio, aviation, a steam locomotive and a wheel. However, the elephants object.

      British machine-gun gig Mk I. 1902. Clearly visible - sprung.
  8. +10
    11 November 2022 11: 56
    Shpakovsky got literary blacks?
    So. First there was a machine gun, and it was invented in 1883 after unsuccessful experiments with an automatic rifle by H. Maxim mentioned above. And then another figure emerges from the fog of history, and a very colorful figure, Cecile Rhodes.

    Long before Rhodes, Henry Morton Stanley stepped out of the fog, using the Maxim machine gun on his 1886 expedition. And used it quite successfully. In 1887, the Maxim machine gun was used on an expedition against the yoni in Sierra Leone and by Frederick Lugard in Central Africa. In 1888, Maxim's machine guns were used by Hermann Wissmann to suppress the Abusiri uprising. So the capabilities of the Maxim machine gun as a "great peacemaker" were well known before Rhodes.

    And this is what the "Rhodes' cart" (Galloping Carriage) looked like.
    1. +5
      12 November 2022 01: 19
      Good night to you. smile

      Shpakovsky got literary blacks?


      Well, Negroes should probably write about the Negro Lobengulla. laughing

      And thank you for your great comments. good

      PS Something I sent you in a personal. drinks
      1. +3
        12 November 2022 01: 34
        Well, Negroes should probably write about the Negro Lobengulla.

        For starters, not black man (this is insulting, BLM!), but about the Big Chocolate Warrior! angry



        And then Shpakovsky already had African slaves, you understand! wassat I have already introduced Vyacheslav our Olegovich with a mustache, in shorts and a cork member, ugh, a helmet! bully True colonizer! And chocolate hares write articles for him! laughing
        1. +8
          12 November 2022 02: 33
          I have already introduced Vyacheslav our Olegovich with a mustache, in shorts and a cork member, ugh, a helmet!

          So it was already, remember. laughing

          1. +2
            12 November 2022 02: 38
            So it was already, remember.

            Yes, Shpakovsky shoots from the rifle, and the nigers, I'm sorry, African chocolate warriors collect reeds to him! laughing
            1. +5
              12 November 2022 02: 59
              No matter how he drives there, thank him very much for posting an article! smile drinks
          2. +2
            12 November 2022 11: 18
            Looks like the hunter from Jumanji.
            Only that gun was "bigger"!
            1. +2
              12 November 2022 11: 26
              But that hunter did not have such "optics"! laughing
              1. +2
                12 November 2022 11: 32
                This is at first, but after visiting an ordinary American gun store, he acquired a very "advanced barrel with optics"! For a "handful" of gold coins.
                1. +4
                  12 November 2022 11: 59
                  Did he also have Martini optics? laughing
            2. +2
              12 November 2022 15: 52
              Looks like the hunter from Jumanji.

              In 1914, the German cruiser Koenigsberg, in order not to be sunk, went to the African river Rufiji. The British could not find it for a long time, because the jungle hid the location of the ship. As a result, the commander of the English squadron, which blocked the mouth of the river, specifically called the famous hunter Peter Pretorius. He, having passed the jungle, did find a cruiser! Yes
              1. +2
                12 November 2022 16: 17
                And the British cattle breeder from Easter Island calmly sold cattle to the Germans from the Spee squadron.
                On the island they were unaware of the outbreak of the First World War! The squadron stood there for a WEEK!
                1. +2
                  12 November 2022 16: 31
                  And the British cattle breeder from Easter Island calmly sold cattle to the Germans from the Spee squadron.

                  Easy! If ignorant.
                  And when the cruiser "Emden" approached the island of Java for minor work, the Dutch colonial battleship "Tromp" approached it, and was politely asked to leave it.
                  Photo - Ukrainian site "Science and technology". "Tromp" himself. One accurate salvo from him would be enough to send the German cruiser to the bottom.
                  1. +1
                    12 November 2022 16: 36
                    Carrier pigeons have not yet delivered a telegram to Java about the beginning of the Great War!
                    1. 0
                      12 November 2022 16: 38
                      Carrier pigeons have not yet delivered a telegram to Java about the beginning of the Great War!

                      No, no, already delivered, so they asked to get out!
                      1. +1
                        12 November 2022 16: 52
                        I forgot that the "Oranges" were in "deep Neutrality"!
                        I forgot ... drinks
                      2. +2
                        12 November 2022 17: 10
                        I forgot that the "Oranges" were in "deep Neutrality"!

                        In general, Alexey, pay attention, the article says between the lines the true "Colonial Rule". The natives have tsatski - we'll take them. And they don't give a damn about the local peisans themselves. I don’t want to drag politics into the “history” section, but the general principles are visible:

                        - First, we will ask you to send the so-called. settlers (and possibly missionaries!). In case of agreement with the locals, a frenzied rabble will come from us, who will select everything that they like. The locals, on the other hand, take the pale genitals of the colonialists by both cheeks, and are afraid to fart. We, the colonizers, trade with the locals. our conditions. Not on the terms of the natives! stop
                        - The local king got excited and opposed? angry Then we push the machine guns, and in the case of the unfortunate Pacific Islanders, the cruiser, and the chocolate people quickly stick their tongues deeper into their anuses. recourse

                        Yes, that's such a colonization! As well as a special operation to cash out disgruntled residents of Africa and other islands! request
                      3. +1
                        12 November 2022 18: 13
                        China was saved by the size of the country and the number of population.
                        Plus a better learning ability, a mask of obedience. Asian "cunning"!
                        But the inhabitants of various islands had little luck and very rarely!
                      4. +2
                        12 November 2022 18: 19
                        China was saved by the size of the country and the number of population.

                        It has always helped them. How many Japanese fanatics did not cut them, but China resisted. But it became full-fledged only after the victory of communism.
                        But the inhabitants of various islands had little luck and very rarely!

                        And some especially.
  9. +8
    11 November 2022 12: 06
    All the way, while reading, I was sure that I was reading Shpakovsky. For complete certainty, only the refrain "And it was like that ..." was not enough. smile
    And in general, for some reason I don’t see our Sea Cat - this is in the topic about machine guns ...
    All this is suspicious...
    1. Fat
      +3
      11 November 2022 17: 34
      hi Ugh, suspicious. I suspect that "it happened" and nothing can be added without details. Let's wait and see what the Sea Cat says. I agree, no one except Konstantin has enough "info" to "analyze progress" step by step ... recourse
    2. +5
      12 November 2022 02: 18
      Hi Mikhail hi The cat slept like a groundhog, slept for almost a day and slept off for the entire past month. laughing
      1. +3
        12 November 2022 04: 52
        And "suspected" not only the Bees from Winnie the Pooh.
        1. +3
          12 November 2022 04: 58
          Everything is suspicious, and the bees are suspicious too, not to mention the more than suspicious Winnie the Pooh. wink
          1. +2
            12 November 2022 05: 44
            Poirot's followers will sort it out.

            You can't hide from the people in the village,
            We have no secrets in our village.
            Do not get together, disperse, do not marry
            Away from prying eyes.
            1. +2
              12 November 2022 06: 12
              "The boy found a machine gun in the barn,
              Nobody else lives in the village "(c) request
              1. +2
                12 November 2022 09: 12
                “On the mountain, on the hill there is a bell tower,
                And from it a machine gun hits the field,
                And lies on the field with boots to the sun
                With such a mother, our heroic platoon "(c).
                1. +2
                  12 November 2022 09: 58
                  One of the most beloved songs, few people sang about the war so truthfully. smile

                  Yes, apparently, it was not fate to try a bullet for me,
                  The elder Krupennikov himself stood up like a parade,
                  Immediately from the bell, chirping merrily,
                  Little birds flew into the chest - they threw them back.
                  1. +2
                    12 November 2022 11: 35
                    Yes. Sweeps. And, in general, Leonid Sergeev, clever. The songs are different, of course. But there are some very good ones.
                    Too bad he just left.
                    1. +2
                      12 November 2022 12: 02
                      Too bad he just left.


                      "We are all guests in this world", trite, but, unfortunately, true. request
                      1. +1
                        12 November 2022 12: 08
                        Can not argue. The question is what do we leave behind. Too often it turns out that a little.
                      2. +3
                        12 November 2022 12: 26
                        The question is what do we leave behind.


                        The children will stay, and this is the main thing. smile
                      3. +3
                        12 November 2022 12: 49
                        Yes. This, as you know, came to mind.
                      4. +2
                        12 November 2022 13: 05
                        It `s naturally. smile

                        How the nightingales sing
                        Twilight, a kiss at dawn,
                        And the pinnacle of love -
                        This is a great miracle, children!

                        Again we will go with them
                        Childhood, youth, stations, moorings.
                        There will be grandchildren, then
                        Everything will repeat again.
                      5. +1
                        12 November 2022 19: 33
                        [quote] Flaming head dawn
                        Raises from his bed,
                        And all earthly things send him greetings,
                        Radiant meeting the deity.

                        When in the prime of life, at noon,
                        The luminary looks from a steep height, -
                        With what delight millions of eyes
                        Follow the golden chariot.

                        When the sun completes the circle
                        And rolls wearily into the sunset,
                        The eyes of his worshipers and servants
                        Already looking the other way.

                        Leave your son, burying youth.
                        He will meet the sun of tomorrow! [quote]
                      6. +1
                        13 November 2022 08: 15
                        The bird of happiness of tomorrow
                        She flew in, ringing her wings ...
                        Choose me Choose me
                        The bird of happiness of tomorrow.
      2. +3
        12 November 2022 16: 15
        The cat slept like a groundhog, slept for almost a day and slept off for the entire past month.

        Saltykov-Shchedrin comes to mind. Rise up, Slugger! laughing
        1. +3
          12 November 2022 16: 38
          And I remember that I did not eat a damn thing during these days. That's it, I'll go and eat something. drinks
          1. +1
            12 November 2022 16: 40
            And I remember that I did not eat a damn thing during these days. That's it, I'll go and eat something.

            I haven't eaten anything since last night either. We should! what
            1. +2
              12 November 2022 16: 44
              And then! Let's go cry! drinks

              Ha ha, i.e. PS laughing The text of your comment is too short and further in the text ...
              1. +5
                12 November 2022 16: 51
                The text of your comment is too short and further in the text ...

                Miranda's Law. laughing
                - You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you.
                - Naked woman!
                - What - "naked woman"????
                - Immediately use a naked woman against me!
                wassat
                1. +4
                  12 November 2022 18: 22
                  Well, as Seryoga-Korsar says, no matter where you start, even with a machine gun, even with Julius Caesar, you will still come to the women. But for sure! laughing drinks
                  1. +3
                    12 November 2022 19: 51
                    Meanwhile, there is a place where there are many of them today. In the "Opinions" section.
                    1. +1
                      13 November 2022 07: 26
                      I don't think there are ladies out there that you want to take a bath with. laughing
                      1. +1
                        13 November 2022 08: 53
                        My generation also goes to the bathhouse to clean up.

                        And in the pictures some kind of force majeure.
                      2. +1
                        13 November 2022 09: 10
                        And in the pictures some kind of force majeure.


                        It's not force majeure yet, and it's pretty innocent. smile
                        And here already full promiscuity is planned, including the parrot. laughing
                      3. +1
                        13 November 2022 10: 02
                        As they said in the "Formula of Love": "Sodom with Gomorrah."
                      4. +2
                        13 November 2022 10: 12
                        Or, as the poet-humorist Lyova Zadov said in the famous novel:
                        "- I will do with you what Sodom did not do with his Gomorrah."

                      5. +1
                        13 November 2022 10: 25
                        - It means that people tell the truth, that it is curious to talk with a smart person
                      6. +2
                        13 November 2022 10: 35
                        That's right! laughing

                        : I like to walk with educated people.


                      7. +2
                        13 November 2022 10: 44
                        If a person is a scientist, then the light turns upside down for him. Sorry, upside down.
                      8. +2
                        13 November 2022 11: 59
                        We took Zhigulevskoe and Dubnyak,
                        The third invited the stoker
                        Accepted, added one more time, -
                        Then the stoker opened our eyes

                        On a terrible story
                        About Moscow and about Paris,
                        How our physicists argued
                        We'll bet the physicists
                        Let's bet their physicists!

                        Everything is now on the ball sideways and jump,
                        Pincushion, inverted,
                        And what do we think day - night!
                        And what do we think night - day!

                        And chop the lapari dates
                        And in the Sahara there is a lot of snow!
                        These are physics bastards on a bet
                        Spin the ball on the contrary.
                  2. +2
                    12 November 2022 20: 11
                    But for sure!

                    The artist of your picture is Yehuda Devir, lives in Israel. Beautiful sketches of family life.
                    Here he is with his wife Maya. He draws about himself with his wife.

                    1. +4
                      13 November 2022 07: 25
                      I also have my drawings about Masha and me, but of course I won’t post them. smile
                      1. +2
                        13 November 2022 17: 38
                        I also have my drawings about Masha and me, but of course I won’t post them.

                        You're good at drawing. And Masha is smart. love I am very glad that you have found each other. good
                      2. +1
                        13 November 2022 17: 51
                        She found it right away, and I searched for a long time. smile
            2. +6
              12 November 2022 17: 03
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              We should!

              * On this day, God sent .... *. Well, and further in the text. Bon appetit!
              Damn! There's definitely some problem with the site.
              1. +2
                12 November 2022 17: 15
                Bon appetit!

                Thank you! drinks I'm going to push... wink
  10. +3
    11 November 2022 14: 39

    The photo shows an American Colt-Vickers machine gun. What is that box with a pipe next to it? I suspect that this is the cooling of the barrel. How did it work? Did you inflate it manually, like a pump?
    1. +6
      11 November 2022 15: 58
      Have you heard of an expansion tank? It's him. And part-time - a supply of water.
      1. +2
        11 November 2022 16: 07
        Have you heard of an expansion tank? It's him. And part-time - a supply of water.

        Can you be more specific, please? Tell me what the function is. I just don't know about this device.hi
        1. +1
          11 November 2022 16: 34
          Quote from Nephilim
          Can you be more specific, please? Tell me what is the function

          I join. What is this animal?
          1. +3
            11 November 2022 17: 57
            This is a steam collector and at the same time a steam converter back to water!
        2. +5
          11 November 2022 16: 46
          In the car, everyone has exactly the same. Where antifreeze is added, an element of a liquid cooling system for receiving excess coolant that occurs during its thermal expansion as a result of heating.
          1. +1
            11 November 2022 16: 50
            Quote from Nephilim
            In the car, everyone has exactly the same

            Too difficult for a field weapon. And cumbersome. Could have come up with something smarter...
            1. +6
              11 November 2022 17: 00
              You could have come up with something smarter.
              ..
              Whistle?
              1. +1
                11 November 2022 17: 03
                Whistle?

                Why not? If by "whistle" you mean a non-return valve...
            2. Fat
              +4
              11 November 2022 17: 20
              hi Later they came up with air cooling and interchangeable barrels. The machine gun became a field weapon thanks to Rhodes. Everything was tight before him. It became easier to carry extra 5-10 buckets of water, and the urine of the battalion stopped washing off the fences laughing
          2. +6
            11 November 2022 17: 36
            Expansion tank in sanitary design.
            1. +3
              11 November 2022 17: 59
              Maxims, Vickers, MG-08s and other Maxims had a steam tank.
              In it, the steam condensed back into water!
            2. +2
              11 November 2022 18: 40
              Expansion tank in sanitary design

              It is also a pulsation damper in hydraulic systems ...
          3. +3
            11 November 2022 17: 58
            The expansion tank and the tank for collecting steam and condensing it back into water are different designs!
        3. +3
          11 November 2022 17: 26
          Almost all the owners of Maxims and Vickers used similar "boxes"!
          They were not used in Russia and the USSR!
    2. +1
      11 November 2022 16: 16
      I had such a soldier, it seemed to work somehow, I was most curious.
      1. +2
        11 November 2022 19: 09
        I had such a soldier, it seemed to work somehow, I was most curious.

        Victor, welcome! drinks Small pewter, 2,5 cm? Such was. In the early 90s, they were released to our market. In an English helmet. The second number was attached to it, the tape was served. Yes
        1. +3
          12 November 2022 09: 13
          hi So for sure, the Briton, sorry, disappeared, I had more than a thousand soldiers, this pewter, I bought it in Leningrad back then, they were not sold from us. It’s a pity, but my soldiers were stolen, my mother took it to the attic of the entrance, we privatized it so impudently and someone stubbed it.
          1. +1
            12 November 2022 15: 04
            It’s a pity, but my soldiers were stolen, my mother took it to the attic of the entrance, we privatized it so impudently and someone stubbed it.

            It is a pity. sad I wonder if they make these now? request
            1. +1
              13 November 2022 13: 52
              The peak of production in plastic came at the end of the 90s, but now it is not. I actually bought them probably because as a child there were none. Now I have the soldiers of the Napoleonic era of Diagostini, it was also a childhood dream to get such a thing. Who would not find fault there, but the author's figurines are expensive.
              1. +2
                13 November 2022 17: 39
                The peak of production in plastic came at the end of the 90s, but now it is not.

                Even the year on the 93-94th, sort of. Sets began to appear. But the peak of tin was even earlier. I wonder if those pewter sets of five figures, 2,5 cm, are now being produced?
                1. +1
                  14 November 2022 15: 39
                  From tin - no, they produced it in plastic for a long time, but alas, now all this is not in demand. I also went to see our Children's World, I want to buy everything, but it costs money. Now they are producing soldiers of model 1 by 36, but each costs three hundred rubles there, this is not something you buy a child to play with. There is frankly plastic junk, in particular, they sell it near the Sudak fortress, the scale is not clear there, but it is more than 1/36., But bedbugs. which we are talking about, I have not seen 1/72 scale for sale for a long time.
                  1. +2
                    14 November 2022 19: 10
                    I also went to see our Children's World, I want to buy everything, but it costs money. Now they are producing soldiers of model 1 by 36, but each costs three hundred rubles there, this is not something you buy a child to play with.

                    About five years ago, I also went to the Children's World, tried to find soldiers. Them - no! belay There are some robots, some other crap, but there are no normal, human soldiers! You can find - in the center of St. Petersburg, in several specialized stores, or through the Internet. request
                    Once again, you remember the USSR with a kind word ... sad About four years ago, our Vyacheslav Olegovich issued a series of articles about our soldiers. Aleksey-hohol95 perfectly supplemented it on the forum about "Kharkov cycles" - Indians, cowboys, pirates, Vikings... drinks
                    1. +2
                      14 November 2022 20: 03
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Vyacheslav our Olegovich

                      And in 2019 there was a mini-cycle by Eduard Vashchenko about soldiers. By the way! Nobody knows who produced a set of soldiers in the seventies *Battle of Borodino.*? Plastic. I emphasize this. Precisely plastic! And flat. soldier Has anyone else come across this set?
                      1. +1
                        15 November 2022 11: 52
                        Gray ones? I had 4 pieces and all on horseback. Later, cardboard ones appeared, there it was necessary to cut a soldier out of paper, stick it on cardboard, and there the Russians differed from the French only in the color of the form.
                      2. +1
                        15 November 2022 13: 28
                        Gray ones? I had 4 pieces and all on horseback.

                        There was also the same set of Red Cavalry. good Also grey.
                        Later, cardboard ones appeared, there it was necessary to cut a soldier out of paper, stick it on cardboard, and there the Russians differed from the French only in the color of the form.

                        And the grenadier there was in a copper grenadier, in which only the Pavlovsky regiment flaunted during the Patriotic War of 1812. Yes
                      3. +1
                        16 November 2022 09: 14
                        But the red horsemen I had were red and the cart was a troika, but it was, I inherited a couple of yellow carts from my uncle. And also a set of heroes and Livonians, the heroes are red, the Germans are green.
                        And with the Pavlovian grenadiers, even my wife was impressed by their hats perforated in the battle of Preussisch-Eylau hi
                      4. +2
                        15 November 2022 13: 47
                        Quote: Alexander Salenko
                        Gray ones?

                        No, Alexander. These were full-length figures, if I'm not mistaken in the number of twelve figures. Painted. This set was bought at the Borodino Panorama Museum in the early seventies. At that time, it left a very nice impression. *. hi
                      5. +2
                        16 November 2022 09: 16
                        Well, it means it slipped past me, I didn’t even hear about them, and my childhood fell on the 80s, but I said above that I inherited from my uncle when soldiers began to be mass-produced, Bata had to make soldiers himself, well, like soldiers, sleeve , stick a spear there - in such a spirit. hi
                      6. +1
                        16 November 2022 12: 21
                        I didn’t like only static poses. We stood on the rack *at attention*.

                        There was such a set, I saw. Centimeters 6 high. Made of flexible plastic or rubber.
                        These, it seems. The middle one is a French grenadier, on the right is clearly the Pavlovsky regiment.
                      7. +2
                        16 November 2022 12: 46
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        These, it seems. Middle - French grenadier, on the right - clearly Pavlovsky regiment

                        Good day Nicholas!
                        No. Not this set. That one, after all, was most likely just a souvenir one. For I have never seen such soldiers anywhere else and no one else. It was my mother who took me on an excursion to * Borodinka *. There was nothing left of this set recourse I didn’t know that they don’t fight with souvenir soldiers ?! request Was small.
                      8. +1
                        16 November 2022 13: 54
                        It was my mother who took me on an excursion to * Borodinka *. Nothing was left of this set

                        Ahhh, OK! hi
                        I didn’t know that they don’t fight with souvenir soldiers ?! request Was small.

                        You know, Sergey, it seems to me that now any Soviet soldiers are almost a souvenir. And the best childhood memory. good drinks
                    2. +1
                      15 November 2022 11: 50
                      So we also have rubbish in the form of it is not clear who is full and those soldiers I am talking about are not for the game, but rather a souvenir, one is more expensive, the other is cheaper.
                      The USSR also had its shortcomings, well, for example, there were no Germans in the Second World War, remember such soldiers that stood at the counter peacefully? There was also an officer and a standard-bearer, so they had to take the rap for the Germans. But in general, the soldiers were approached creatively: Romans, cowboys, Vikings, being made of plastic, they looked just fine.
                      I'm afraid that this attitude towards the soldier is being lost due to all sorts of garbage like a spider man, batman and others.
                      https://stihi.deti.guru/igra-v-soldatiki/
                      drinks I was looking for a little something else, I remember as a child there was a poem and a picture book.
                      1. +2
                        15 November 2022 13: 53
                        Quote: Alexander Salenko
                        The USSR also had its drawbacks, well, for example, there were no Germans in the Second World War, remember

                        Figures of American soldiers were very much appreciated in the USSR. And it was also *cool* to be the owner of models of foreign cars. Oh!!!! How chic they were!!! Doors, hood, trunk. They opened!!! And the colors of the cars! good This is in the early seventies.
                      2. +2
                        16 November 2022 09: 20
                        This didn’t directly affect me, in the sense that I didn’t have it, but I saw it, yes, it was cool drinks But they also released domestic ones.
                        But if we are talking about cars, then there was military equipment, remember the BRDM-1, BRT, MLRS based on the BTR-152, self-propelled guns with an open cabin.
                      3. +1
                        16 November 2022 12: 23
                        But if we are talking about cars, then there was military equipment, remember the BRDM-1, BRT, MLRS based on the BTR-152, self-propelled guns with an open cabin.

                        Yeah, ASU-57. I saw material that there was a whole large set (with a photo), but I never saw it in its entirety.
                      4. +1
                        16 November 2022 17: 56
                        Well, I was more fortunate, a gift from Santa Claus.
                      5. +2
                        16 November 2022 20: 14
                        Well, I was more fortunate, a gift from Santa Claus.

                        My father brought me. Separately in a box BRDM-1, and separately - T-34 with a 76-mm gun. Brother Lelik already had an ASU-57 ...
                        And, as an adult already knew, there was a whole set - with tanks, guns, soldiers. Here, I found it. Not available. Antiques-with already!
                        https://www.dvaveka.ru/raznoe/igrushki/nabor-metallicheskikh-litykh-igrushek-serii-voennaya-tekhnika-sssr-1984-g/



                        и



                        Damn, it was golden time! drinks And the toys were the best!
                      6. +2
                        16 November 2022 20: 49
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Damn, it was golden time!

                        And so it is!
                        Damn, the site is already driving me into a stupor !!!

                        I had a figurine like this one. One!!! How proud I was of her! None of my friends had such a thing.
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        the best

                        Because we didn’t see the others. And if we did, we saw very, very little.
                      7. +1
                        17 November 2022 07: 37
                        It's such a thing that in different parts of the country they released their own. some all over the country, some not. The same flat sailors were heaps of both metal and plastic then, as well as tin soldiers standing at attention, and there were local exclusives. My grandmother somehow bought only one cowboy for me, although there were several of them and the Indians, in addition, were expensive. but then some kind of exclusive is very special, not so classic of the genre, they were sold not by the piece, but by sets, but these are colored ones, I have not seen them anywhere else. Like this American.
                        By my childhood, they had already stamped a lot of different things, but if you go beyond the limits of soldiers, then for example, my dad once brought me a hard drive from Kyiv, he was so notable. They stole it from me and then my mother looks, the kid with my gun goes with my grandmother. Why with mine, because there were no such people physically in Simferopol. Well, in general, the property was returned, dad brought a piston machine from Murmansk, he really didn’t shoot bursts, he was a machine gun in form, and not in essence, but everyone has piston revolvers, and I have this device. Mom brought a fortress from Baku. This is how "wealth" was formed.
                        And at the time of the collapse of the Union, all sorts of nonsense went, he fell for it himself, you probably don’t know about such people, it’s even strange to call soldiers

                        There were ninja turtles. Then some kind of fierce nonsense went on, but by that time I had grown up. Although I bought sodatics and being a student, sensible bugs were produced, yes, cheap, not traced in detail, for example, exactly the same firms Italeri, or Dragon differed in quality but also cost well.
                        But for example, it was possible to buy Germans and Swedes from the time of the 30-year war, so they are fighting each other, I don’t even stutter about WWII, Romans, Greeks and Gauls, and so on. But the paradox is that they were massively unclaimed. The era of computer games has come.
                        There were still some board games left, I even bought it when I was married, just nostalgia, a friend had a Napoleonic board game, three armies, Russian, French and Austrian, well, I bought some analogue without the latter. But in the mall, I played Napoleonic on a computer, where my soldiers run around on their own, shoot on their own, there’s only one problem, you can’t impose your own rules on a computer.
                        But the child accepts everything as it is. I'm not a big fan of driving games on a computer, it takes time and gets bored quickly, but somehow a familiar tank lover says. Damn, the holidays have begun. What is it, the children have time and now they roll it out more often.
                      8. +1
                        17 November 2022 19: 52
                        As if in childhood I visited, as I read, Alexander ... Yes
                        The same flat sailors were heaps of both metal and plastic then

                        They were both flat and voluminous. I had large ones. This also applies to the border guards in the comment below. drinks
                        But in the mall, I played Napoleonic on a computer, where my soldiers run around on their own, shoot on their own, there’s only one problem, you can’t impose your own rules on a computer.

                        Wow! Gold words! Came to the same conclusion myself!
                      9. +2
                        17 November 2022 07: 11
                        This is exactly good Although I did not know about such a set, I saw everything separately. I also remembered there were flat border guards, two horsemen, one with a dog and a pistol and small lops, soldiers of the Second World War, there are some with a maxim, some throw a grenade, but most with machine guns at the ready, and besides this, I had board games and a fortress, yes, golden age.
                      10. 0
                        17 November 2022 19: 56
                        I also remembered there were flat border guards, two horsemen, one with a dog and a pistol and small lops, soldiers of the Second World War, there are some with a maxim, some throw a grenade, but most with machine guns at the ready, and besides this, I had board games and a fortress, yes, golden age.

                        Border guards - on foot - one with a pistol with a dog, the other with an AK. Mounted - one with binoculars, the other also with AK.
                        And WWII fighters - there were several sets. I had a small one, for some reason silver in color, there was a commander, a standard bearer, machine gunners (perhaps those two with grenades). In the big one (gray) there were already grenade throwers, recumbent machine gunners with "maxims", moreover, the machine gun was separated from the fighter. Yes
                      11. +1
                        18 November 2022 09: 52
                        Yes, the same set, and everything is on point with the border guards good
                      12. 0
                        19 November 2022 01: 46
                        Yes, the same set, and everything is on point with the border guards

                        There were other similar sets, green ones. but with guns. Yes
                    3. +2
                      15 November 2022 15: 02
                      https://toysoldiers.spb.ru/toysoldiers/russian.htm
                      For fans of "soldiers" !!! good
                  2. +2
                    15 November 2022 06: 37
                    Pewter is full. The quality is super. The price, however, is not small. But you should not look for them in such stores. And "Children's World" is now selling rattles.
                    1. +2
                      15 November 2022 15: 02
                      https://toysoldiers.spb.ru/toysoldiers/russian.htm
    3. +3
      11 November 2022 17: 55
      Boxes collected the steam generated from the shooting and condensed it back into a liquid state!
      1. +1
        11 November 2022 18: 43
        Quote: hohol95
        Boxes collected the steam generated from the shooting and condensed it back into a liquid state!

        This is still acceptable for stationary systems, but for constantly moving units, too burdensome ...
        1. +5
          11 November 2022 18: 48
          They dragged. British, Teutons, Finns.
          In the RIA and the Red Army, such devices were not used!
          There are many photos of machine guns on the Internet with these steam collectors and steam pipes!
      2. Fat
        +4
        12 November 2022 01: 13
        hi Uh-huh, closed loop, "green technology" wassat recourse negative It remains only to send bills for spent bullets and fines for unprovoked unintentional mass lead poisoning of swans in the royal pond No.
  11. +1
    11 November 2022 17: 13
    Such modern carts - armed pickups also appeared during one of the many African wars - if I'm not mistaken, in Mali
  12. +1
    11 November 2022 17: 26
    Quote: futurohunter
    Such modern carts - armed pickups also appeared during one of the many African wars

    If you scroll up the article a little, you will see a photo of a machine gun mounted on an American Jeep, like a Makhnovist cart...
    1. +7
      11 November 2022 19: 21
      If you scroll up the article a little, you will see a photo of a machine gun mounted on an American Jeep, like a Makhnovist cart...

      The Germans did not disdain such machines either.

      Model from the Ukrainian company ICM, ICM 1/35 le.gl.Einheitz-Pkw Kfz.4, German light anti-aircraft vehicle II MV. What kind of animal, I don’t know, maybe a Czech car. what I don't advise you to buy models of this company - old sprues, because of which you have to sharply process parts, very bad decal stickers - spread in your hands. request Like, a huge selection of little-known samples, but produced through the ass somersault. negative Serega Mikhailov (Mihaylov) glued them to BT-7A - spat on, I somehow glued one Japanese fighter (the decals spread!), The second one I just threw out during the assembly process a week ago - there weren’t enough nerves. laughing
      Such modern carts - armed pickups also appeared during one of the many African wars - if I'm not mistaken, in Mali

      Anatoly-futurohunter said correctly, but made a little mistake with the dates. It was the so-called. "Toyota war", 1986-1987, in which Gaddafi's army, armed with Soviet equipment, was defeated by Toyota pickups armed with machine guns and ATGM "Milan". drinks
      1. Fat
        +3
        12 November 2022 01: 24
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        the decals are falling apart!

        Didn't manage to print on film yourself? At least for insurance. So you will contact the decal on the "white background" 3 + 1, and it is "on starch". It is easier to prepare the location of the desired sign ....
        1. +3
          12 November 2022 01: 31
          Didn't manage to print on film yourself? At least for insurance.

          So it's you - the pros, and I went out for a walk! request
          1. Fat
            +3
            12 November 2022 02: 13
            Mdya ... pickled mice. I am an advanced amateur - not a pro, but a bore! Imagine, I even read the instructions before the action laughing drinks
            1. +4
              12 November 2022 02: 16
              Imagine, I even read the instructions before the action

              Do you want to bet? Let me write an article about my beloved Pal Petrovich? Give me a couple of weeks.
              1. Fat
                +3
                12 November 2022 02: 35
                I will be glad for your article in any way! Are you boasting? Three weeks of ladies, but so that it WAS, but what about me?
                1. +4
                  12 November 2022 02: 45
                  Three weeks of ladies, but so that it WAS, but what about me?

                  Sincere love and sincere respect ... feel And a kiss on the cheek, but this is Antoine, our minstrel will convey. love He will tell you how much I have known him for the last six years! bully
                  1. Fat
                    +4
                    12 November 2022 03: 17
                    I will be indignant in a personal, Comrade Mikhailov!
                    1. +3
                      12 November 2022 17: 19
                      I will be indignant in a personal, Comrade Mikhailov!

                      It's not necessary! I'm good! I've just pissed myself off with fear three times! belay drinks
              2. +4
                12 November 2022 05: 59
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Give me a couple of weeks.

                I don't believe it, grenadier, I don't believe it! bully
                But? Still, I hope so. hi
      2. +1
        15 November 2022 14: 55
        Chad in the confrontation with Gaddafi was greatly helped by France. Hence the ATGM "Milan" and other "sweets"!
        Without the support of the French (the foreign legion), the locals would quickly "make their feet".
        1. 0
          16 November 2022 12: 16
          Hence the ATGM "Milan" and other "sweets"!

          I don’t know about the Foreign Legion, but it was the French who delivered the jeeps and ATGMs.
  13. +5
    11 November 2022 21: 01
    What kind of animal, I don’t know, maybe a Czech car


    German, firm Stoewer.
    1. +5
      11 November 2022 22: 07
      German, firm Stoewer.

      So, it seemed to me, "Tatra" did similar things, that's why I was mistaken. request What is your name? Get used to good interlocutors by name. Sincerely, Kolya. drinks
      1. +5
        11 November 2022 22: 19
        Experience shows that at the present time a nickname for communication is quite the best option. At least for me.
        1. +4
          11 November 2022 22: 28
          At least for me.

          This is a private matter, respectfully. I used to communicate with regular participants in the "history" forum by name six years ago. hi
          1. +3
            11 November 2022 22: 37
            I'm not a regular participant, so sometimes I train my memory.
            1. +5
              11 November 2022 22: 39
              I'm not a regular participant, so sometimes I train my memory.

              Everyone's business. You provide good information. I swear respect.
              1. Fat
                +4
                12 November 2022 01: 48
                hi I support Nicholas.
                It doesn't matter what they call you at home. The presence, albeit a fictitious name. makes communication easier. Official-nickname communication does not have confidence, To be honest, the conditional "zorro" is "not ice", except perhaps from the hopelessness of the situation drinks
                With respect.
                1. +4
                  12 November 2022 01: 53
                  I support Nicholas.

                  You're right. Let's talk like human beings. By names. hi
            2. +3
              12 November 2022 04: 56
              Memory rather easily clings to the features of the presentation of people.

              It does not catch in the event that the phrases are official. Why is that?
      2. +3
        11 November 2022 23: 04
        https://kolesa-ru.turbopages.org/kolesa.ru/s/article/voyna-rozhdaet-velikie-idei-neizvestnye-polnoprivodnye-boevye-legkovushki
    2. +4
      11 November 2022 23: 09
      The Teutons had THREE identical cars -
      Stoewer R180/R200 Spezial,
      BMW325 and Hanomag Type 20V.
      They wanted to get a "single" car, but they got three similar ones, but with design differences.
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  14. +6
    12 November 2022 13: 25
    Kostya, I read it in one breath and with great pleasure! good Keep it up! drinks
    1. +4
      12 November 2022 16: 25
      Thanks, Sergey! A very flattering assessment of our work. drinks
      1. +7
        12 November 2022 16: 38
        Quote: Sea Cat
        flattering assessment


        Something is wrong with the site today. It's been junk since the morning. Is it only interesting for me? And so, of course, I join those who liked your article! hi
        1. +3
          12 November 2022 16: 41
          flattering assessment

          Class! Serge, I introduced you right away! good drinks
          1. +4
            12 November 2022 17: 12
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            Class! Serge, I introduced you right away!

            Eh! I haven't earned money for such a black shirt yet. laughing However? As well as a hair transplant! bully
            1. +3
              12 November 2022 17: 17
              However? As well as a hair transplant!

              Ah, my soul, do not talk about the sick! I'm bald! I compensate with a beard! laughing
        2. +4
          12 November 2022 16: 41
          Thank you, Seryozha! smile

          My site is also loaded through a stump-deck, but this has been a long time, two or three weeks. drinks
    2. +3
      12 November 2022 16: 33
      Kostya, I read it in one breath and with great pleasure

      It is good to read such an opinion from a good Author of the site, which occupies its exclusive niche on the subject. good I like the nickname, I said "Bongo". Yes A kind of big African warrior. laughing drinks
      1. +5
        12 November 2022 17: 09
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        I like the nickname, I said "Bongo". A kind of big African warrior.

        And *Bingo!!!!* comes to my mind. Such a big, big success! bully
        1. +7
          13 November 2022 13: 19
          Quote: ArchiPhil
          And *Bingo!!!!* comes to mind for me.

          Then, Bingo-Bongo... lol

          Well, more to choose from:
          1. Bongo - a nationality with a total number of 170 thousand people living in Sudan
          2. Bongo - a mammal of the bovid family, the largest representative of the forest antelope genus.
          3. Bongo is a percussion musical instrument of African origin. Used in Cuban and Latin American music
          But, it's all over. My nickname is associated with this mikrash. A unique device, "unparalleled" in terms of capacity and maneuverability.

          Rather, with two buses Mazda Bongo. I've been riding them for about 15 years.


          One died a heroic death, I was smashed by talents rushing through a red light. Another honestly served 9 years, and I sold it to a friend.
  15. Eug
    +2
    14 November 2022 07: 00
    The caption under the photo, where "Maxim" on Willis - Northern Transylvania, 2nd BELARUSIAN Front. In Northern Transylvania (the territory on the border of Romania and Hungary, which both countries claimed before the 2nd World War), the 2nd BELARUSIAN never fought, its lane was a good 1000 km to the north. And Northern Transylvania was liberated by the 2nd UKRAINIAN. Fix it please!
  16. +1
    15 November 2022 06: 32
    We do not know the context of either the question that Budyonny was asked, or the context of his answer. And the fact that liberal propagandists made him a fool is a question for them. And he wasn't stupid. In the Civil War carts were very often the decisive means. And you can't argue with that.
    1. Eug
      +1
      15 November 2022 12: 28
      In Civil War and earlier, the belligerents used (or tried to use) fire maneuver (concentration of fire in a direction unexpected for the enemy or in a weak area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbhis defense, to "seal" a breakthrough, etc.). One of the technical means of such a maneuver was a cart. Naturally, with the growth of the technical equipment of the armies, both the type of fire and the technical means of maneuvering it changed ...
      1. +1
        15 November 2022 15: 53
        The inertia of all military personnel led to the fact that the Reds and Makhno became the most effective use of machine guns on carts. The rest saw, experienced in their own skin, but they did not like such an illogical military thing.
        Now we see the same thing. At first I was afraid that our under-combatants would let us down. And so it happened. Stubbornness and stupidity.
  17. 0
    6 December 2022 18: 44
    Gorgeous, I really liked it, but since the comment is too short, then .... read above bully
  18. 0
    14 January 2023 13: 25
    Neither add nor subtract: then and there the machine gun of the Maxim system was an absolute weapon.

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