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The surrender of Kherson is impossible: Moscow is behind us

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The surrender of Kherson is impossible: Moscow is behind us



“Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind!”


It is impossible to leave Kherson - it is categorically (!) impossible. This is a new territory of Russia, and under the current conditions, such a surrender will immediately lead to a preponderance of the strategic, tactical and moral advantage in favor of the enemy. A complete evacuation of the population is impossible, and we can again hand over the Russian people to the execution of the diabolical junta.

Information for consideration № 1


According to The New York Times, Russian President Vladimir Putin has in recent weeks been more actively engaged in direct strategic planning in a special operation against Ukraine and, among other things, has rejected requests from military commanders for permission to retreat from Kherson. They offered to leave the city and retreat behind the Dnieper in an organized manner in order to save personnel and military equipment, the newspaper writes on Friday, September 23, citing representatives of the American administration.

We cannot accurately verify this information. However, there were many attempts to "pour" into the public consciousness the possibility of leaving Kherson and crossing the other side of the Dnieper. I do not want to condemn someone, but we can and should talk about the attitude towards the NWO.

Let me ask you a very painful question. And the leaders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would act in the same way in a similar situation, if the above is true? Did the Armed Forces of Ukraine just leave something like that? Did you leave crossings? Did the bombing stop? So far, only we are left - and our map, compared to mid-March, is melting like shagreen leather. There is nowhere else to retreat - further is Moscow!

What does victory depend on? Victory depends - only (!) on the desire to achieve it and the willingness to put everything on the altar of victory. From how our warrior heroes, men of military age, housewives in apartments, youth, elites and the leadership of the country perceive this war. As the ancient Greek philosopher Plato said, "ideas rule the world."

So, everything is fine with the management, but the rest?

Information for consideration № 2


According to Forbes, citing a source familiar with the Kremlin's estimates, up to 21 people have left Russia since the beginning of the partial mobilization, which Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on September 700.

The "chicks of liberalism" fled - those who had money. Those who have achieved success, but do not understand the personal male responsibility for their homeland. Those who have a homeland are money and comfort. You can’t condemn everyone - we are all people, we are all afraid of death, and most importantly, not everyone is ready for war. Whether to send boys, people under 23-25 ​​years old to the war is a big question. During the Great Patriotic War, almost all the youth were killed, and Europe was already taken by people of mature age. And this historical fact. But the "draft" outcome showed the weakness of society and the liberal system.

What do we see now? We have something to be proud of! Our army is fully worthy of the Soviet army - the winner in World War II. Our warriors, the descendants of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers who conquered not only Germany, but also half of Europe in 1945 - brave men with a capital letter, show miracles of heroism in those difficult conditions of lack of supplies, constant behind-the-scenes deals and the political weakness of the liberal elite.

Has anyone been to the hospital for NWO members? Someone at the age of 22 had both legs blown off. He calls his mother and says: "Mom, don't cry, I'm alive, but others just tore." Someone was left without hands - he can neither eat nor wash. And what is it like for them there now - in a dirty trench, all day in the cold, while at every second (!) Death can fly, and that's it? Does anyone know what it's like to run into a hurricane of bullets and shells when your ears are stuffed from an insane inhuman rumble that completely paralyzes an ordinary person? Or sit in tank, squeezed from all sides, when every second (!) In it you can burn alive?

Against the background of this heroism, the elites are playing a double game, sometimes clearly playing on the side of the enemy, contributing to the Istanbul and Kharkov exoduses, the shameful return from captivity of the Azov leadership, the grain deal, and preventing the railroads from being bombed. And a certain part of society solves its personal problems. The appeal was litmus paper. Someone made a reservation. Someone, smiling, said, what do we have against them? And what we wanted: what we brought up, we got. They brought up a cowardly consumer of imports - so they ran.

A huge failure of the current system is the lack of ideology. In this sense, the citizens of the USSR had a clear competitive advantage, despite the flourishing of atheism. Its other weakness is its amorphousness and inability to prepare the country for war. However, this was in 1941, and in 1812, and in the Crimean and Russian-Japanese wars. We are big, “throw hats”? Carelessness is the eternal Russian misfortune!

Through the mouth of Prince Andrei Bolkonsky, in the scene on the eve of the Battle of Borodino, the genius of L. Tolstoy speaks of the main factor in victory:

“The battle will be won by the one who is determined to win it. Why did we lose the battle near Austerlitz? .. there was no need for us to fight there: we wanted to leave the battlefield as soon as possible ... But tomorrow we won’t say that ... a hundred thousandth Russian and a hundred thousandth French troops came together to fight ... and whoever fights harder and feels less sorry for himself will win … Tomorrow, no matter what, we will win the battle!”

So: who will fight harder, he will win! Why did we win the Great Patriotic War? Because we realized that our loss is our complete destruction and enslavement.

"Let the noble fury boil like a wave,
“There is a people’s war, a holy war!”

Is it possible to win without noble fury?

Information for consideration № 3


As Tsargrad writes about the causes of the 1941 disaster:

“The army was not ready for a real war. Even the people did not immediately hate the invaders ... So it was until the people saw the aggressors in action. He did not end up in the occupied territory controlled by terror. He did not lose numerous relatives and friends at the front. He did not experience the pangs of hunger and terrible hardships in the rear. I didn’t remember and didn’t turn to my religion, true values ​​and national traditions…”

Does this remind you of anything in some way? Although, unlike that time, now the morale of our army is at a great height.

Why were we driven almost to Moscow in 1941? Yes, because not everyone understood what was happening. It turns out to be absurd - our liberal society is split, and Ukraine, in which only 50% (!) Of the population remains, is still rushing, and this pressure feeds unity and endless hatred. This epoch deprived us of passionarity, split and weakened us. We don’t have Chapaevs, Kotovskys and Dzerzhinsky yet. There are no Zhukov and Rokossovsky yet.

As the Jewish people conquered the promised land promised by God, their leader Joshua received the following instructions:

“Be firm and courageous, do not be afraid and do not be horrified; for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”
(Joshua 1:9).

Many people ask, what are we fighting for? And we must understand that this is not only a battle for Russia and the Russian world, but also for the future of the world in general. If we retreat, civilization will plunge into apocalyptic pagan chaos, towards which the completely non-Christian West has been heading for a long time. Russia is the last redoubt against the forces of the devil.

But that's not all. Before victory, everyone must mature - from top to bottom. And if we do not mature, war may come to our homes. And this, as in 1941, will sober everyone. And this is already happening on our southern borders - for example, in the shelled Belgorod region.

Information for consideration № 4


As Metropolitan Tikhon testifies in his film The Fall of the Empire. Byzantine lesson:

“Having captured Constantinople, the young Sultan Mehmed, shocked by the wealth of some citizens and at the same time the complete lack of funds from the defenders of the city, called the richest citizens to himself and asked them a simple question: why didn’t they give money to protect the city from the enemy?
“We saved these funds for your Sultan's Majesty,” they answered flatteringly.
Mehmed immediately ordered them all to be put to the most cruel execution...
Those of the oligarchs who fled to the West, hoping to hide their capital there, were mercilessly robbed by Western friends and ended up in poverty.”

And that doesn't remind you of anything either? The liberal elites, who are trying to play on the side of the West, do not understand that they are cutting the branch on which they are still sitting firmly. And this bough is the patience of the people.

If the SVO is merged or ends with new Minsks, the current system will not survive. This is the moment of truth for a managed democracy. Russia has never been capitalist. 80 years of Soviet power is the peak of Russian civilization, which created a system that is closest to the mentality and traditions of the people. There were three attempts to build capitalism in total. Reforms of Alexander II that led to the revolution of 1905. The colonization of Russia by the West, which was carried out in the late XIX - early XX century, which led us to the revolution of 1917.

And here is attempt number 3. The majority of the people sympathize with the USSR and socialism, and if there is a reason, a new left turn is inevitable in the country. And the failures in the NWO, like the failures of tsarist Russia in the First World War, are a manifestation of the same matrix of the liberal system. One hundred years - the circle is closed? Doesn't this remind you of anything?

The liberal elite and part of the military who betrayed Nicholas II welcomed the February Revolution of 1917. But they did not understand that it would be October 1917. A. Solzhenitsyn,
"Reflections on the February Revolution:

“Russia stood for centuries - and slumbered ... it was a slumber ... of a privileged class - the nobility ... in its titled, high-bureaucratic, grand-ducal and guards circles. This class, which has received so much from Russia over the centuries, and everything in advance, is now in a transitional tense time of the country ... in its main and highest part, it was also dozing, living carelessly, without an active search, without sacrificial anxiety ... The ruling class lost its sense of duty ... state consciousness ... left him.

And then what? In the inferno of the revolution and the Civil War, not only the ruling class, but the entire elite stratum of society was completely destroyed. All their wealth was lost, many lost their lives, someone went abroad forever. Do you need repetition?

Our Army, without any doubt, is still No. 2 in the world, and after our Victory, it may become No. 1 - the strongest in the world, as it was after 1945.

Any discussion of the possibility of surrendering Kherson is the possibility of a complete failure of the NWO, a sign of our weakness in the eyes of the entire anti-American and Russian world, to which we now give hope for peace and justice, a potential crime against the inhabitants of Kherson land and all still Russian people who are waiting for freedom in Ukraine . This is a terrible signal of our weakness to the West, which only he is waiting for - and is doing everything for this.

This is the beginning of the end of the system of managed democracy that still rules in Russia. The people will not forgive the weakness of the government. Once again: the West is just waiting for this in order to stir up the discontent of the population and dismantle the current system, which was announced at the beginning of the NWO. And finally, this is the possibility of a complete internal victory for the pro-Western “fifth” column and the oligarchic elite, who need the “lifting” of sanctions at any cost.

There is a very accurate statement that is unofficially attributed to the new commander of the NWO, Sergei Surovikin:

“I don't want to sacrifice our soldiers any more by playing guerrilla warfare with the hordes of fanatics armed by the West. Russia has enough strength to force the Kyiv regime to capitulate.”

Isn't this the pure truth?

Yes, we have a shortage of military personnel. But, as our great Alexander Suvorov said:

“The city is not taken by standing; they fight by skill, not by numbers; from skill comes consent.

Everyone knows how difficult it is to take cities now: Kherson is an excellent fortress that can be defended with minimal resources. And if we move beyond the Dnieper, how will we return there? How much blood will be shed to return what God has given us into our hands?

In the event of an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we can: firstly, multiply the attacks on infrastructure, destroy the Yavorsky training ground, finally begin to reset the supply routes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - there is simply nothing to lose. We have everything to bring the enemy to his knees! We can deliver massive bombing strikes, including using the most powerful vacuum munitions, and missile strikes against the enemy grouping - and we have all the resources for this.

Second, if absolutely necessary, as Ramzan Kadyrov wrote, part of the internal reserve of law enforcement agencies can be sent to the NVO zone and thus plug the entire deficit of the army in the field:

“Together with law enforcement and military departments, this is about 5 million people who regularly pass sports standards. If you leave 50% of the staff in office, then the second half of them in the amount of 2,5 million people will demolish any Western army. And you don't need a backup.

Don't be afraid of revolution - be afraid of defeat!

Thirdly, in order to win, it makes sense to mobilize at least 500 more people into the active reserve, bringing the actual grouping in Ukraine to 0,7–1 million people.

Fourthly, to increase the production of the most demanded weapons.

If Russia holds the line, the turning point in our favor will be inevitable. And if you need to turn Kherson into Stalingrad, then so be it!

It seems that we have no strength, Kherson may be flooded, the crossings have been destroyed, the supply of the army is difficult. Tell me, was it easy for Alexander Suvorov and his army in his legendary Alpine campaign? Was it easy for the defenders of Stalingrad? And what about those who defended Moscow in 1941–1942? Once again we recall the words of St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves that only excessive efforts are fruitful, and moderate ones never.

Our elite, to our deep regret, is still mentally in a state of liberal ideology, the main features of which are weakness, indecision, compliance and softness. A significant part of it is doing everything for the "silent" sabotage of the GDF. It was precisely this that prevented us from winning at the initial stage of the operation, when Victory was in our hands, and we actually blockaded Kyiv. Then, just like it was in 2014, we agreed to persuasion, they began to intimidate us. It was precisely the liberal mentality (what are you talking about (!), this is a “foreign” state) that did not allow us to hold a NWO already in 2014, when a significant part of Ukraine would have supported us, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were weak and completely demoralized.

That is why we left the Kharkov region. That is why we did everything for the so-called "soft conduct of the NWO". It was this weakness that brought to life the reforms, which in the mid-2000s proceeded from the concept "we do not need a large army." It was this weakness, caution, fear that did not allow us to mobilize at the beginning of the NWO - what if there will be discontent among the people? It is this weakness that allows Ukraine, which actually has no more than 19-20 million people left, to twist the arms of Russia, which is at least 10 times stronger than the Bandera state.

But the new strategy of S. Surovikin will put everything in its place. As Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, said, Russia will not allow anyone to tear away its new regions - the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions - and will protect their inhabitants with all available opportunities. God bless! "Everything for the front, everything for our Victory"!
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 8 November 2022 05: 44
    +36
    We don’t have Chapaevs, Kotovskys and Dzerzhinsky yet. There are no Zhukov and Rokossovsky yet.
    But we have Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Ilyin, Solzhenitsin. By the way, to the monuments of the latter, the guarantor, very much, loves to lay flowers. And Ilyin, at the guarantor, is on the shelf.
    1. Asad
      Asad 8 November 2022 05: 51
      +44
      The author did not seem to have seen all the strange gestures of the authorities during the NWO. More and more people have questions and no answers.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 8 November 2022 06: 05
        +18
        The author in the first lines of his article attacks the elite, and then writes:
        All their wealth was lost, many lost their lives, someone went abroad forever. Do you need repetition?
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 8 November 2022 06: 41
          +36
          The author in the first lines of his article attacks the elite, and then writes:
          All their wealth was lost, many lost their lives, someone went abroad forever. Do you need repetition?

          The article is a complete vinaigrette of contradictions.
          1. Civil
            Civil 8 November 2022 07: 29
            +40
            1. The author first compared the NWO with the Great Patriotic War. Then he put an equal sign between the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army and the Russian Army.
            2. Plentifully watered the Red Army with slop in the next paragraph.
            3. Urgently remembered the priests and kissed him, and called the Red Army soldiers atheists.
            4. He called everyone who is against Tsar Nicholas the Bloody - liberals. That is, all who are against autocracy are all solid traitors. Including comrades Stalin and Lenin and the Red Army, which, with kicks from lovers of French rolls, kicked them out of their homeland.
            But what the lover of the royal boot led to, otherwise we did not understand:
            "Thirdly, in order to win, it makes sense to mobilize at least 500 more people into the active reserve, bringing the actual grouping in Ukraine to 0,7-1 million people."
            The author, it was possible to start with this, and not water the Red Army.
      2. Zug
        Zug 8 November 2022 07: 02
        +9
        They needed a bloody swamp and they got it.
    2. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 8 November 2022 10: 56
      -3
      There are no Zhukov and Rokossovsky yet.

      - Do you think they had no failures and defeats? Did they become great overnight? Can today's Russia afford Zhukov's battles?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 10 November 2022 03: 16
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Can today's Russia afford Zhukov's battles?

        That's just the repetition of Rzhev was not enough.
        1. Mikhail Drabkin
          Mikhail Drabkin 10 November 2022 10: 30
          +1
          Revolver:
          That's just the repetition of Rzhev was not enough

          That's it!
      2. Ryusei
        Ryusei 10 November 2022 13: 47
        +2
        The Zhukovs and Rokossovskys are "people of war" and they appear during the war, the war has begun and they will come.
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    4. insafufa
      insafufa 8 November 2022 16: 11
      +7
      And Ilyin, at the guarantor, is on the shelf.
      It becomes very funny to me when the Father of Russian fascism, Ilyin, his fans at one time helped Hitler then Mattresses, and now they are fighting on the side of Bandera. They were the driving force on the last Maidan and in the Donbass in 2014 actively went to fight and kill the same Russians as themselves. In fact, the civil war of 1917 is not over, it continues and I hope it will end after the victory over the ruin. And the books of Ilyin and himself and his ideas must be declared anti-Russian and anti-human, and his followers should also be persecuted as followers of Hitler and Bandera. The imperial people cannot afford to be mononational and monocultural then it is not an imperial people. Nationalism is harmful to the empire, everyone who followed the path of nationalism fell apart.
    5. Romanovski
      Romanovski 11 November 2022 16: 42
      0
      And Roman Skomorokhov read this excellent article...??
  2. Dimy4
    Dimy4 8 November 2022 06: 14
    +14
    So, everything is fine with the management, but the rest?

    Well, I don’t know if that part of society that is trying with all its might to provide all possible assistance to our soldiers, correcting the sins (very gently) of the authorities over the past 30 years, will agree with this conclusion of the author.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 8 November 2022 08: 11
      +16
      Of course. Everything is fine with the leadership. More precisely, they are excellent. And the guys going to their death somewhere near Kherson really don’t understand. Why? in different ways. Well, the authorities ordered, and we are doing it.
      1. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 9 November 2022 19: 59
        +4
        We are already renting Kherson. Thanks to the vertical line built in the country.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 9 November 2022 20: 13
          0
          I didn’t believe until the very end. Let’s say what people in the Crimea feel. And what do we have in the Kuban. We are also nearby. Will we evacuate? The enemy is not there, it turns out
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  4. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 8 November 2022 06: 26
    +14
    When liberals are scolded, but they argue exactly the same, it becomes unpleasant. In order to keep that or another city, it must have its own "field marshal". Lvov. And these are nothing more than beautiful words. When our border is crossed by all and sundry, what kind of security of our country can we talk about? The fortresses had walls. Now even that is not. All command is conducted from the center. Maybe I don’t know something. Well then, excuse me for my ardor.
  5. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 8 November 2022 06: 28
    +8
    Together with law enforcement and military departments, this is about 5 million people who regularly pass sports standards. If you leave 50% of the staff in office, then the second half of them in the amount of 2,5 million people will demolish any Western army. And you don't need a backup."

    To be honest, I don't like this idea. And how many women are in law enforcement agencies? How many office workers? What are the standards? I remember how it was not unambiguous to say that they were handed over. How many people do we have in the power structures "in the fields", so to speak? You can't see the police on the street. Do you want to choke on terrorist attacks and crimes?
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 8 November 2022 10: 35
      +11
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      How many office workers? What are the standards?

      And what are the standards for mobilized men from a civilian? The security forces at least receive benefits for the alleged risks.
      Regarding the "fight against the devil":
      Russia is the last redoubt against the forces of the devil.

      Some strange "redoubt" ...
    2. Egg
      Egg 11 November 2022 10: 34
      +1
      2,5 million from law enforcement agencies is, of course, too much, but it is quite possible to allocate 500 thousand to the NVO without drowning in terrorist attacks and crimes, and even this figure is more than those mobilized today.
      But here another misfortune is possible, but will they not run from the power structures in the same way as contract soldiers ran after the announcement of the NWO?
      Motivation purely with money is so-so motivation .. until your life is threatened and you don’t need to do anything special. And we don't have another one.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2022 06: 31
    +1
    the exact statement that is unofficially attributed to the new commander of the NWO, Sergei Surovikin:
    “I don't want to sacrifice our soldiers any more by playing guerrilla warfare with the hordes of fanatics armed by the West. Russia has enough strength to force the Kyiv regime to capitulate.”
    Very correct statement, and it should be done. Hopefully, given the mistakes made, it will be so.
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  7. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 8 November 2022 06: 37
    +4
    Thirdly, in order to win, it makes sense to mobilize at least 500 more people into the active reserve, bringing the actual grouping in Ukraine to 0,7–1 million people.

    Oh how. Here you need to be very careful. And what about the economy there? with working hands? Who will replace the men? Uzbeks? Let the experts decide how many people are needed in Ukraine. The entire range of weapons has not been used, and attacks have not been carried out in full on the infrastructure. And you are going to fight with "guns and tanks".
  8. sadam2
    sadam2 8 November 2022 06: 53
    +12
    ... in recent weeks, more actively engaged in direct strategic planning, rejected requests from military commanders for permission to retreat from ...
    deja vu - somewhere already
    about those 700 thousand - yes, these are not plumbing janitors - I remember in the spring when all those IT people rushed lured back with thieves' mortgages with bonuses - half returned and then bam for their zugunder come here ... right now they are unlikely to lure
    Yes, your propaganda about the Great Patriotic War does not work - now the only difference is whether Abramovich or Rockefeller will pump out
    Kherson to Stalingrad ... they put two million there, and for two days we have been discussing a letter, either 1% or 18 people
  9. Zug
    Zug 8 November 2022 07: 01
    -6
    According to the latest data, regular units of the German army and Poland are already fighting there. There are small detachments from Britain. Recently, a bunch of blacks were brought in. Musicians are fighting near Lisichansk.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2022 07: 04
    +31
    Let's start from the beginning. Remember "Russia is not for Russians", or "Russia is doomed to liberalism." For what people was Article 282 invented. Remember how they crushed the Russian World in 2014. And even now, highlanders and criminals are advertised in the war, there are no other troops. Do not forget capitalism in the country, and in order to save money, call for patriotism. It is so beneficial for the authorities to solve their problems, and the patriots are going to fight for their hard-earned money.
    Interestingly, nothing has changed in the country. A few minutes to look at Konashenkov's face. And again, as before, enterprises go bankrupt and optimize the army.
    It seems that two special operations are being carried out. In one, the people must die patriotically. In another gesture of goodwill, regrouping...
  11. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 8 November 2022 07: 07
    +2
    And still I don’t understand why the Russian Army cannot ensure the declared no-fly zone over the territory of Ukraine in 8 months, having “unparalleled” assault, bomber, fighter, long-range, strategic aviation, the best air defense in the world? Well, air defense was not supplied to Ukraine, which can shoot down long-range, strategic, and even fighter aircraft, of course, if you use the SU-35 as an Il-2 in WWII, then yes. But there are already questions to the rudders. I understand that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a bunch of satellites, AWACS aircraft, and a real-time NATO combat control system. But, what prevents the Euromen from shooting down AWACS aircraft and fooling around that it's not us, but, for example, South Ossetia? Having previously trumpeted to the whole world that the South Ossetians came to help the Ukrainian brothers, and of course, having armed them with the same S400.
  12. odometer
    odometer 8 November 2022 07: 15
    +18
    For the Russian Federation, the situation is now terrible ... It is impossible to win (there is no way, alas) and it is impossible not to win. Pat.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 8 November 2022 10: 39
      +12
      Yes, it is impossible to win if the selfish interests of our oligarchs come first. They were already in the first place when they chewed the snot in 2014, it was enough for Didier Burkhalter to visit Moscow and remind where and with whom the money of our "elite" is. Now this "SVO", which was 8 years late, and Russia got both sanctions in disgrace, and a war.

      If the "cunning plan" is to bleed and surrender the country, having nuclear weapons, then everything goes according to plan, according to the most unprofitable for the Russian people, but beneficial for the corrupt and dependent on the West oligarchs. It is not a bad "king" here, and not even "boyars" - the country is ruled not by those who endlessly draw and erase "red lines", but by a big capital, this is the real power in Russia.
      The topic of who will get "XER" from Kherson is relevant again...
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 8 November 2022 13: 37
        +5
        If the "cunning plan" is to bleed and surrender the country, having nuclear weapons, then everything goes according to plan, according to the most unprofitable for the Russian people,
        And this is true, the new world is being built against the Russians, at the expense of the Russians.
    2. skeptick2
      skeptick2 8 November 2022 10: 48
      +9
      Quote: curvimeter
      For the Russian Federation, the situation is now terrible ... It is impossible to win (there is no way, alas) and it is impossible not to win. Pat.

      Well, in general, the assessment is correct. But that's not even bad.
      The bad thing is that no one in our leadership allowed such a stalemate from the very beginning. The whole calculation was only for blitzkrieg. There was no plan B on the table. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain some incomprehensible facts.
      For example, such that the goals of the NWO change regularly, moreover, depending on the situation on the fronts. Interesting, right?
      Or such that it is still not recommended to use the word "war" in conversation. Those. we have a certain situation in which the entire set of means of military destruction of the enemy (except for nuclear weapons) is used - small arms, artillery, armored vehicles with tanks, MLRS, OTRK, drones (moreover, already purchased on the side), all types of aviation, the entire fleet , including surface, underwater Black Sea Fleet and ships of the Caspian flotilla, but this is not a war. This is some kind of special operation involving all means of destroying the enemy, now with the announcement of mobilization. Unclear...
      Or like this - what at this particular moment can be considered a victory for Russia? Complete denazification? Those. will Kyiv still have to take? Access to the Soviet borders of Donbass? Holding a land corridor to Crimea? Or at least just keeping Kherson? What?
    3. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 9 November 2022 01: 59
      +3
      Yes, you can win, for this there is everything except Putin's desire. About 5 million servicemen in the Russian Federation is also true, even sending 1/5 of it to the front will already be a colossal advantage in our favor, plus those who are already there. Well, of course, the war must be waged according to all the rules of military science and by all available means (except for nuclear weapons, of course). To fight precisely for the result, without regard to the fifth column and what respected Western partners will say. This requires the will of the first persons of the state, honor and courage. The question is, does Putin have all these qualities?
  13. Laundryman
    Laundryman 8 November 2022 07: 21
    +9
    And the leaders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would act in the same way in a similar situation, if the above is true? Did the Armed Forces of Ukraine just leave something like that?


    An evil irony - it was Kherson that the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered without a fight.

    The rest of the text is just propaganda. On the one hand, Surovikin no longer wants to lose people, and the morale of the army is at its best - and on the other hand, one of the best units, the marines of the Pacific Fleet, write a letter to the governor (!) That they are being thrown to slaughter like cannon fodder.
  14. anclevalico
    anclevalico 8 November 2022 07: 25
    +12
    The management is really, really bad. Constant, incessant cuckoldism comes, at times, to insanity. I hope that Putin has nothing to do with planning operations in the Northern Military District. For 22 years, we have fully experienced his "talents" in planning in our own skin.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 8 November 2022 14: 35
      +6
      Quote: anclevalico
      I hope that Putin has nothing to do with planning operations in the Northern Military District.

      Whose "talents" then led to what we have in this strange NWO?
  15. samarin1969
    samarin1969 8 November 2022 07: 28
    +20
    "Everything for the front, everything for our Victory"!

    The author is talking about what is not.
    Today in Mediametrics the news about flights to Egypt was in the lead for a long time. The Russian Federation is outraged that Turkey puts obstacles for leased liners to fly directly to resorts. In the regions, there is just a boom in repairs and reconstruction. And in the Donbass, judging by the daily obituaries, guys aged 20-25 die every day. Yesterday, a volunteer from Yekaterinburg, 18-year-old Mikhail Savokhin, was buried.
    Former high-ranking Mr. Antonov complains that "when diplomats from Moscow arrive in Washington with instructions, "they are received in the foyer or near the State Department on a bench."
    A strange fawning over the USA. Lock up all consulates in the USA. After the supply of weapons to Ukraine, impose an embargo on the export of strategic raw materials to America. Receive their diplomats in the outdoor toilet.

    "1941" exists only among the inhabitants of front-line subjects and among the guys in the trenches. The country lives a normal life. All this is strange. Novorossia is still not some kind of "Indochina". There, millions of our people survive in terrible conditions with dim prospects.

    ps The Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 63 .... "2.1. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions ... aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed."
  16. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 8 November 2022 08: 01
    +18
    A chaotic article, horses and people mixed up in a bunch. Rokossovsky, Kotovsky, Solzhenitsyn, patriarchs.
    Its other weakness is its amorphousness and inability to prepare the country for war. However, this was in 1941, and in 1812, and in the Crimean and Russian-Japanese wars.
    Were you ready in 1914? Yeah, we got to Berlin smile There was no death of Samsonov's army in the Prussian swamps, in 1914, the Great Retreat in 1915, there was no shell hunger, the elite did not profit from supplies.
  17. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 8 November 2022 08: 26
    +12
    During the Great Patriotic War, almost all the youth were killed, and Europe was already taken by people of mature age. And this is a historical fact.
    Here the author is very mistaken, to say the least. There is no other way, they will be banned. "Historical fact" exists only in the head of the author, and he imposes it on everyone.
  18. Boris55
    Boris55 8 November 2022 08: 50
    -12
    Since comparisons with the Second World War began, when we evacuated the inhabitants of Stalingrad to the left bank, were we going to hand it over? By the way. The panic about the surrender of the right bank in Kherson was started by Shariy. He didn't guess. We evacuate people in order to fight with both hands, feet and teeth, realizing that there is no one ahead, except for the enemy. Good luck to us in the capture of Nikolaev.
    1. Oleg Barchev
      Oleg Barchev 8 November 2022 12: 33
      +2
      Unfortunately, the inhabitants of Stalingrad were not evacuated in a timely manner, and as a result of the massive bombing of the city, more than 40 people died in the first days. Now the situation is radically different, civilians are prudently removed from the upcoming tetra of hostilities, thereby saving their lives, and they are freeing their hands in preparing defense lines.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 8 November 2022 13: 11
        -6
        Quote: Oleg Barchev
        Unfortunately, the inhabitants of Stalingrad were not evacuated in a timely manner

        I agree. The fact that the appropriate conclusions have been drawn from the Second World War is pleasing.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 8 November 2022 21: 44
        +6
        prudently? Yeah, they foresaw that we are talking about the battles for Kherson, and not so long ago they were preparing to take Nikolaev. There is no need to humiliate the Soviet evacuation efforts - it was incomparable to the current event in terms of complexity.
  19. digger
    digger 8 November 2022 08: 57
    +4
    I have only one big complaint against Putin - he played Leopold too much. It's time to turn it off and turn on Stalin.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 November 2022 09: 19
      +7
      He didn't play, he is. This is neither bad nor good. In times of stability, it is acceptable to be such a ruler. But now we need "Evil Patriot".
  20. mark1
    mark1 8 November 2022 09: 05
    +4
    "... and the impossible is possible ..." - at least from our guiding-guides, I already expect anything in any extreme.
    But Russia has military power, some bailiffs can form a shock army, for which we needed 300 reservists, it’s not entirely clear
    1. Alf
      Alf 8 November 2022 22: 12
      +4
      Quote: mark1
      some bailiffs can form a shock army

      And who, then, will extort debts from the poor?
  21. Hanurik
    Hanurik 8 November 2022 09: 19
    +16
    There is a very bad prognosis.
    They will put the mobilized under shelling, for the exponential death of hundreds or thousands of mobilized, by force of circumstances they will leave Kherson, if possible, along the destroyed crossings, they will use defeat as a pretext for negotiations and will happily run to their France and Italy to the long-awaited mansions.
    Remember and don't forget. The bourgeoisie has no Fatherland. Their homeland is where their money is kept. I would like to be wrong about this forecast, but regardless of the forecast, the bourgeoisie CANNOT be trusted. No bourgeois, neither ours nor foreign.
    1. Alf
      Alf 8 November 2022 22: 13
      +1
      Quote: Hanurik
      No bourgeois, neither ours nor foreign.

      Especially ours, we don’t expect anything else from foreign ones.
  22. Doctor
    Doctor 8 November 2022 10: 04
    +1
    Much about the political component of the possible surrender of Kherson.
    And not a word about the military-strategic.

    At all times, defense was built along the banks of rivers.
    Kherson is a foothold ON THE OTHER SIDE of the Dnieper. With very little support capability. And potentially floodable. Of course, you can arrange Stalingrad there and put 50 thousand. What's the point?

    The key to the left-bank Ukraine is Kharkov.
    The key to Ukraine is Kyiv.
    1. mark1
      mark1 8 November 2022 10: 37
      +1
      Key to Ukraine - Nikolaev and Odessa...
    2. Oleg Barchev
      Oleg Barchev 8 November 2022 12: 44
      +3
      Kherson region is a land route to Crimea, it is the North Crimean Canal providing Crimea with water. This is a springboard for an offensive operation in the Nikolaevsky and Odessa direction. I think that without a serious fight, the positions occupied in the Kherson region will not be given up.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 8 November 2022 14: 11
        -1
        Kherson region is a land route to Crimea, it is the North Crimean Canal providing Crimea with water. This is a springboard for an offensive operation in the Nikolaevsky and Odessa direction. I think that without a serious fight, the positions occupied in the Kherson region will not be given up.

        Take a look at the map.
        Defense line along the Dnieper.
        The land route to the Crimea remains.
        The North Crimean Canal comes from the Novaya Kakhovka area.
        Bridgehead - yes. But Odessa is not a primary goal. She may not have to take it.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 8 November 2022 21: 47
          +3
          And then knock out ukrov from Kherson, as they knocked out from Mariupol? The idea that it is possible to arrange an analogue of the battles for Mariupol, on the contrary, you do not voice, but why?
          Yes, I understood about the complexity of the supply, and the figure: to put 50 thousand where did it come from?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 9 November 2022 00: 09
            -2
            And then knock out ukrov from Kherson, as they knocked out from Mariupol? The idea that it is possible to arrange an analogue of the battles for Mariupol, on the contrary, you do not voice, but why?
            Yes, I understood about the complexity of the supply, and the figure: to put 50 thousand where did it come from?

            This is a typical situation; it has been dealt with dozens of times in the military academies of the world on real cases. That is why they became more active there, the NATO members suggest.

            And very often the commanders chose to keep the defense of the city on the other side, for politics. wink All 41 years like this.
            Kyiv, as an example, although there is not a river, but an environment. Rested, but what's the point? They abandoned it anyway, only 600 more remained in the boiler.

            And the opposite example - Kutuzov did not pass Kherson, MOSCOW! And the war was won. wink

            We have mirror situations - Zaporozhye, Kremenchug, partly Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv. There they are potentially pressed against the river.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 9 November 2022 08: 29
              +1
              Kyiv is an example of so-so, they didn’t really fight for it, it didn’t become an unsuccessful analogue of Stalingrad and, frankly, it’s too often necessary to explain that the Kyiv pocket is just called that, the encirclement happened much to the east, and the last garrison of the bunker of the Kyiv fortified area fell on December 20, 1941 .
              The same example of defense is Odessa, Sevastopol, Leningrad, and of these three, only the first fell in 1941, and the last was never taken. And back in 1941, a landing was made on the Danube, and it was taken out with the enemy’s approach to Odessa, and Kyiv is one and only with a very strong stretch as an example.
              At the same time, the bridgeheads on the right bank of the Dnieper created problems for the Germans in 1943, which is why they tried so diligently to knock them out.
              And where is the politics here? Politics is rather the retention of the Nikopol foothold by the Germans, then politics as a concentrically expressed economy is manganese.

              As for leaving Moscow, it was a completely different story. Kutuzov's goal was not to let the army be defeated, probably if it were his will, he would have left Borodino just like that. Napoleon had not been obsessed with Moscow, Kutuzov would have continued to retreat to the same Kaluga.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 9 November 2022 10: 03
                -1
                Kyiv is an example

                Well, take the recent offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kharkov. Like flooded, and then bam! And they stumbled. In the river Oskol. It seems like a small river, but they got hooked. request

                Estimate how to keep Kherson, being supplied through the Dnieper. Given their satellites, UAVs, MLRS and river fleet. Only at night.

                Just math, you shoot them, they shoot you, you finally run out of ammo.
                Then 2 options, both bad. belay
                1. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 9 November 2022 10: 19
                  +1
                  And what kind of blood was Mariupol given to us? There, the supply was not only bad, the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply did not have it.
                  Dear, I do not need to explain what it is to cling to the river, but let's remember how, despite the losses, the same Armed Forces held a bridgehead on the Ingulets River. We broke their crossings and they built them again.
                  Let's take the Second World War and Crimea again, Its liberation, as it is believed, began on April 8, 1944, which is somewhat different, they tried to liberate it both in 1942 and in 1943, when bridgeheads were created on the southern coast of the Sivash and North-West of Kerch, and these bridgeheads survived winter 1943-44. Especially with the latter in winter conditions, it was extremely difficult to supply, there both a strong current and ice movement, but in the defeat of the 17th German-Romanian army, the bridgeheads played an exceptional role.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 9 November 2022 12: 11
                    -1
                    And what kind of blood was Mariupol given to us? There, the supply was not only bad, the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply did not have it.

                    This is what we are talking about. They lost Mariupol anyway. But in the second case with huge losses (yes, on our side too).
                    A city pressed to the sea is even worse, it can only hold on to a powerful fleet. Odessa in the Second World War, Sevastopol in the Crimean. Yes, we celebrate the heroic defense. And the Germans in the Second World War simply evacuated from the Crimea and retained their strength.
                    1. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 9 November 2022 13: 31
                      0
                      This powerful fleet was poorly equipped with air defense systems, it takes a long time to explain, but this problem was in principle unsolvable, why such high losses, well, propaganda nonsense that the Germans evacuated something there, and even more so saved it. You can watch the 1948 feature film "Third Strike", it just shows that the Germans evacuated. Only according to their data, 42 thousand people drowned and the defeat of the Germans in the Crimea was swift with the Zuisko-Karasubazar boiler, with a bunch of prisoners in Sudak, and so on. The desire to keep the Crimea was revealed even in the change of commander Eneke to Almendinger, the first just called for evacuation. Read modern studies, a lot of different nonsense has been written in the post-perestroika era.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 9 November 2022 16: 13
                        0
                        You can watch the 1948 feature film "Third Strike", it just shows that the Germans evacuated. Only according to their data, 42 thousand people drowned and the defeat of the Germans in the Crimea was swift with the Zuisko-Karasubazar boiler, with a bunch of prisoners in Sudak, and so on. The desire to keep the Crimea was revealed even in the change of commander Eneke to Almendinger, the first just called for evacuation. Read modern studies, a lot of different nonsense has been written in the post-perestroika era.

                        Well, that is, the Germans did it wrong, strategically it was necessary to keep the Crimea to the last soldier ... wink
                      2. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 November 2022 17: 14
                        +1
                        You do not understand or turn on the dull? All combat units were left to lie in Sevastopol, or to restore the national economy of the Crimea. How many times do you need to say that the Germans held Crimea to the last? If you want to show your knowledge on this issue, yes, hello, I'll laugh heartily.
                      3. Doctor
                        Doctor 9 November 2022 19: 29
                        0
                        You do not understand or turn on the dull? All combat units were left to lie in Sevastopol, or to restore the national economy of the Crimea. How many times do you need to say that the Germans held Crimea to the last? If you want to show your knowledge on this issue, yes, hello, I'll laugh heartily.

                        Surovikin has already resolved our dispute. laughing
                        To be honest, I did not expect such a decision from him, well done. Now the main thing is to convince the Chief. Although, if voiced, it means accepted ...
                      4. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 November 2022 19: 48
                        0
                        Yes, I'm just shocked, although this has nothing to do with the theoretical part of the dispute. Russia going to lose the war?
                      5. Doctor
                        Doctor 9 November 2022 20: 32
                        -1
                        Yes, I'm just shocked, although this has nothing to do with the theoretical part of the dispute. Russia going to lose the war?

                        Yes, this is a classic war! laughing

                        The Romans built a mini-Dnepr at every halt around them. Any castle was surrounded by a moat with water. While we were on horseback, we were looking for crossings, and now, when it is necessary to transport heavy equipment, this is generally an amba.

                        Everyone in the South stood firmly, now recapture Kharkov.
                        Surovikin is a hammer, it was not in vain that he spent his pants at the Academy. yes
                      6. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 10 November 2022 08: 30
                        0
                        Strong? The enemy will release forces in the same way. I myself did not believe in the new Khasavyurt, but so far everything points to an agreement. Yes, my acquaintances in Armyansk saw how an anti-tank ditch was being dug, whether it is or not, women understand this badly, I thought that if they dug up something there, it might be a distraction, but now I don’t know.
                        Yesterday they handed over Kherson, before that they resumed the grain deal, they stopped watering the energy system of Ukraine, they never hit the diesel locomotive depot.
                        Yesterday I watched Solovyov, not a single military expert, where did these gentlemen disappear to?
                      7. Doctor
                        Doctor 10 November 2022 08: 41
                        -1
                        Strong? The enemy will release forces in the same way. I myself did not believe in the new Khasavyurt, but so far everything points to an agreement. Yes, my acquaintances in Armyansk saw how an anti-tank ditch was being dug, whether it is or not, women understand this badly, I thought that if they dug up something there, it might be a distraction, but now I don’t know.
                        Yesterday they handed over Kherson, before that they resumed the grain deal, they stopped watering the energy system of Ukraine, they never hit the diesel locomotive depot.
                        Yesterday I watched Solovyov, not a single military expert, where did these gentlemen disappear to?

                        I don't know about deals, but it's pointless to wet the energy system, it's too big. There are enough locomotives there too.
                        These are all punches with outstretched fingers. Bang on the CHP? What's the point? Well, let's kill the stoker Mykola, and they will restore the supply in 3-4 days.

                        I hope now the weapon will be used correctly, namely: concentrated on a narrow section of the front, in the place of a breakthrough of the defense, immediately before the offensive and support during it.
                      8. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 10 November 2022 08: 44
                        +1
                        There was a review on diesel locomotives, you probably missed something, no, not enough and a diesel locomotive is the consumption of diesel fuel, which tanks also drive.
                        And what is it like to sit without light, you probably don’t know, but I know, but in order not to kill Mykola in vain, you can shy away at night.
                      9. Doctor
                        Doctor 9 November 2022 16: 21
                        +1
                        This powerful fleet was poorly equipped with air defense systems, it takes a long time to explain, but this problem was in principle unsolvable, why such high losses, well, propaganda nonsense that the Germans evacuated something there, and even more so saved it.

                        Air defense of ships is an integral part of the fleet, and now perhaps the main one.

                        I'm not talking specifically about the Germans (although about them too), but about the ability to keep the seaside city supplying by sea, from an attack from land.

                        The defense of Odessa in 1941, the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean.
                        The classic of the genre is Operation Overlord, when a millionth group was fed across the English Channel. It's true, the scale is not the city. wink
                        The war in the Pacific Ocean, again, but in bulk in the entire history of mankind.
                      10. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 November 2022 17: 19
                        0
                        The air defense of the fleet was considered sufficient by the standards of the beginning of the war, remember the British torpedo bombers, for example, swordfish biplanes? Our air defense approximately approached British standards, the problem was in the hulls of ships, where it turned out to be difficult to stick extra DShKs, when it became clear that aviation plays a much larger role than previously thought. including the British, by the way, in this respect they lost to both the Americans and the Germans. The last aircraft carriers did not have, but aviation at sea was quite used for itself and, for example, a planning bomb hit Warspite, a participant in two world wars, at one time. So the Germans thought about how to deal with enemy ships.
                        And the same British, for example, began a successful battle for themselves at Punto Stillo with aircraft with an unsuccessful attack, and ended it the same with the same result, by the way, in maneuvering, then the Italians outplayed the British, but something like that.
                        But the appearance of specialists in ships on the Black Sea from the German side near Odessa immediately disabled three ships of the Black Sea Fleet and one of them for good. As I say, the theme of the fleet is separate and very global.
  23. single-n
    single-n 8 November 2022 10: 13
    +6
    Let's go through the facts:
    1. "According to The New York Times" - well, believe this mouthpiece of democracy during the period of hostilities .....
    And according to my hysterical neighbor on a drinking binge - Tomorrow Australia will attack China with a cavalry attack on a kangaroo with the support of ostrich aircraft
    2. "During the Great Patriotic War, almost all the youth were killed, and Europe was already taken by people of mature age. And this is a historical fact." - this is historical nonsense. I also found living veterans, including my relatives. Quite young people of 20-25 years old took Europe. So there is no need to hysteria here.
    3. "Why were we driven almost to Moscow in 1941? Yes, because not everyone understood what was happening." -Hand face. The stump is clear in the USSR then wild brakes lived. For half a year of the war, there were already appeals from Stalin, and mobilization was in full swing, but no one understood anything yet. Do not confuse modern SVO with murky goals and gestures of goodwill. WITH THAT war. Everything was very clear there.

    But oddly enough, I agree with the general message. These throwing and impunity got. And I really don’t want a repetition of a citizen with intervention.
  24. north 2
    north 2 8 November 2022 10: 58
    +10
    I want to note to the author that the current government acts exactly like the Romanov dynasty, especially at the end of the reign. So on the monument to the Millennium of Rus' in Novgorod there were places even for those who fought against Russia, the Gediminoviches, but there was no place for Ivan the Terrible, with the coronation to the Tsardom and with whose concrete deeds the true sovereignty of the Russian state began.
    Perhaps this is because the power after the last of the Ruriks, after Ivan the Terrible, was obtained by the Romanovs illegally.
    So is the current government. At the May 9 Victory Parade, which can be called miraculous
    but as a spiritualized main monument, there is no place for portraits and busts of Stalin, under whose leadership Russia saved its sovereignty. Yes, and the portraits of Stalin's generals at the parade are somehow invisible.
    If not the Leninist Bolsheviks, who simply raised the abandoned power by the liberal Duma and the spineless Nicholas II, then Russia would have perished by the summer of 1918. But by 1922, with an iron will and brilliant talent, Lenin had actually created a new Empire, the Red, because he realized that Russia could not exist outside the imperial status. The Empire was finally recreated by Stalin.
    By the way, the fact that only the Bolsheviks can save Russia was understood by thousands of officers of the tsarist army and went to serve the Bolsheviks and create an invincible Red Army. . So, at the Victory Parade on May 9, Lenin's Mausoleum, under whose leadership Russia was saved, this Mausoleum is covered with shields, so that even the word LENIN would not be visible. Both of these cases show that those who have received power illegally and who understand that they will never be as big as Grozny, Lenin and Stalin can shit on Ivan the Great, Lenin and Stalin.
    And to compare the struggle under the leadership of Stalin in the Second World War with the current SVO is generally criminal. Just a couple of days ago in Kostroma, when Russian soldiers were dying for the freedom of Russia on the territory of Russia in the Donbass and Kherson, at the same time the crowd was walking and drinking in a tavern in Kostroma right up to the morning, until a fire broke out and until they burned down several people alive. But since there were no fires in thousands of taverns all over Russia, where several million people walk in a drunken stupor daily and every night, no one reminded us of these people having fun, while our soldiers are dying for the freedom of Russia in the Donbass. . And you compare and suggest that something similar could have happened during the Second World War, when Stalin was in charge of the country?
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 8 November 2022 11: 00
    +8
    Against the background of this heroism, the elites are playing a double game, sometimes clearly playing on the side of the enemy, contributing to the Istanbul and Kharkov exoduses, the shameful return from captivity of the Azov leadership, the grain deal, and preventing the railroads from being bombed.

    Dear author of the article. All those actions you indicated, or vice versa - inaction is not done by an inanimate monster called "elites", but by one very specific character, and we all know him. For the most part, I agree with the article. sad
  26. AdAstra
    AdAstra 8 November 2022 11: 10
    +2
    All this must be sent by registered mail to mo. Although the effect will probably be the same as from the publication on this site.
  27. Aleprok
    Aleprok 8 November 2022 11: 27
    -3
    Correctly written. And it's easier to say - "zas ... al - gone." Moreover, the farther from the line of combat clashes, the more justified ... data (((
  28. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 8 November 2022 11: 27
    +6
    Quote: parusnik
    We don’t have Chapaevs, Kotovskys and Dzerzhinsky yet. There are no Zhukov and Rokossovsky yet.
    But we have Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Ilyin, Solzhenitsin. By the way, to the monuments of the latter, the guarantor, very much, loves to lay flowers. And Ilyin, at the guarantor, is on the shelf.

    That's for sure, everyone who pissed away the Russian-Japanese and the First World War with the guarantor in honor and favor
  29. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 8 November 2022 11: 35
    +6
    The article is emotional. However, this is another voice crying in the wilderness. For most of the Russian "elite" all of their own - in the West, they are there in soul and body. And they have only one question: are you there, in the West, if we surrender everything and everything to you, will you return the capital and money earned by "overwork" to us? We are ready for anything for this, if only you would love us and begin to consider us your own, for any betrayal, for any abomination, just let them into your circle, at least on a side chair.
    The most terrible thing is that the authorities continue to go and cherish such people crying to the West.
    Moreover, the people responsible for the epic failures in the economy remain in their positions. Like, they're very nice people. As long as the person is not seen as a threat to the personal position of guarantor, he can get away with anything.
  30. Primus
    Primus 8 November 2022 11: 36
    +3
    To be honest, the title is annoying. Yes. I agree, Kherson cannot be given away. But to Moscow we ... b
  31. Gas smoke protector
    Gas smoke protector 8 November 2022 11: 40
    +6
    terry propaganda-pre-propaganda. some sort of mess. transfusion from empty to empty with a cry of "we will not disgrace."
  32. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 8 November 2022 11: 42
    +3
    And yes, the author, the Red Army was not driven to Moscow. If you are not aware, then in the Moscow direction, the Wehrmacht, with a whole group of armies, from July 31, 1941, switched to DEFENSE. For the first time since the Second World War.
    And just in case, Napoleon without tanks and motorized infantry entered Moscow in September 1812, the Wehrmacht with its panzer divisions approached Moscow only by the beginning of December 1941. Feel the difference.
  33. gromit
    gromit 8 November 2022 11: 54
    +7
    "I .... I pledge to fight against the apocalyptic pagan chaos and hold a redoubt against the forces of Satan...."

    "We are happy to announce that the Servant of God fell in battle with the Devil..."

    This squalor and obscurantism is no better than gay parades and 52 genders.

    Is it possible to have such a small republic in the Russian Federation without gay parades and traditional values?
    Atheists will gather there, industry with science will begin to develop. We will supply the rest of the republics with eco-friendly fuel briquettes for burning heretics...
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 8 November 2022 14: 26
      +3
      Quote from Gromit
      Is it possible to have such a small republic in the Russian Federation without gay parades and traditional values?
      There is such a republic, even two people's republics, the DPR and the LPR are called, but there is a war.
      When the Russian Federation becomes a truly people's republic, with people's power, we will win, the war will end.
    2. jdiver
      jdiver 9 November 2022 00: 12
      0
      Without traditional values, they will quickly come to gay parades. And vice versa. There are only two poles, God and the devil, and you can go either to one or to the other. You can't even stand still.
  34. koralevviktor
    koralevviktor 8 November 2022 12: 06
    +5
    The problems of the current government in the fear of revolution. They consider the common man a greater enemy than the foreigner. Such a defeatist attitude was included in the governing bodies of the state. Nothing was done to combat foreign influence. All positions abroad were surrendered. A simple US citizen has become higher than any oligarch, as well as our official. It is in Russia that they are greyhounds, while abroad they sit quietly and do not stick out. Our lads are only capable of doing lawlessness with us, and there they curry favor with a simple cop. Strength is in power, not in the mind. No matter how someone says otherwise, nothing can change.
    1. Ryusei
      Ryusei 10 November 2022 14: 01
      0
      What a fierce nonsense, well, just go crazy))
      1. koralevviktor
        koralevviktor 10 November 2022 15: 29
        0
        Man's consent is known in his negation. He only finds out too late.
  35. Churchill
    Churchill 8 November 2022 12: 29
    +10
    This is some nonsense. Especially about the elite, where this "elite" is Lavrov, Shoigu, Chubais, Golikova, Gref............ And by last name the author is afraid to name who gives commands to negotiate with the enemy, gives commands to exchange criminals and a friend President - Medvedchuk, who gave the command in February to start hostilities without intelligence on the state and combat readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine........... Well, he does not forget God through every line, it turns out that the USSR won the Second World War by returning to religiosity. And we then "stupid" thought that our generals, having gained experience in combat operations, having killed them during "study" in 1941-1942. the entire pre-war army, they began to competently plan military operations, they began to prepare troops before being sent to the front. The author is so stupid that he does not understand that there will be neither a second nor a fifth army in the world without industrial production and advanced science. Well, patriotism in the Second World War cannot be applied in a military conflict with Ukraine, well, the Soviet system cannot “stick together” with the bourgeois-capitalist anti-Soviet system of the Russian Federation, where power belongs to a wealthy minority and the President, government, parliament expresses their interests. There is a lot of nonsense in the article, the comment will be the same in volume.
  36. Igorash
    Igorash 8 November 2022 13: 06
    +1
    The main question is still open - how to prevent the authorities from colluding with the West ... if it gets hard. And "it's hard very" will come soon ...
  37. Spasatel
    Spasatel 8 November 2022 14: 01
    +3
    ... Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent weeks has been more actively engaged in direct strategic planning in a special operation against Ukraine

    Well, now everything ... Victory, consider it in your pocket !!! So, what?
    And a question for the author: what about Putin, what guild do you think he belongs to?
    Is it the Russian elite, or is it the working peasantry? Or the proletariat? Maybe a community of wealthy pensioners? Enlighten us sinners...
    And then the Solovyovs and the Simonyans completely fooled our heads ...
    Yes, even Kherson...??!!
    So the flag, however, Vlasov, has already been removed!
    Nothing, when we take Kherson again - we will hang our flag, red, with a hammer and sickle !!
    I hope that by that time there will be no others in the Kremlin, and those will be far away ...
    1. Ryusei
      Ryusei 10 November 2022 14: 00
      0
      And in the pronoun "we" you see everyone except yourself))
  38. NAF-NAF
    NAF-NAF 8 November 2022 14: 18
    +5
    If we retreat, civilization will plunge into apocalyptic pagan chaos, towards which the completely non-Christian West has been heading for a long time.


    Let me remind you that when the West was still quite so Christian - he came to us, and showed his bestial face. To name those who burned children, women and the elderly in wooden sheds (and there were burnt settlements in the occupied territories of the USSR ... in the Smolensk region alone - many hundreds!) - the language does not turn. Inhumans. And with the slogan "God is with us" (the same, biblical) on the soldier's buckle of every Nazi. With iron crosses on the chest in the process of committing atrocities, and with birch crosses on the graves with a natural ending.

    On the other hand, our ancestors fought - "atheists" free from Christian hassle. I put the word "atheists" in quotation marks, because it is difficult to think of a more charitable cause than building a society of social justice and liberating peoples from slavery. Instead of a formal religion, there was a grand construction of a bright future - if not for yourself, then for your children and grandchildren, but in the future for all the peoples of the Earth (maybe a utopia, but the goal was worthy - it's not for you to fill your pockets by robbing colonies) . Who was closer to God: those in crosses, or those with red stars?

    Simultaneously with the destruction of the USSR as a result of the cold (information) war and the plunging of the people into poverty and the degradation of all spheres of life, Christianity flourished again in Rus', led by hypocritical oligarch patriarchs. The religious mafia, which has been composting the brains of the people for thirty years, is one of the most important factors in turning us from human creators into a herd of obedient sheep. In general, the correlation between the rise of Christianity and the decline of society is obvious. The author naturally "does not see" this factor, but in vain.

    Well, I catch your minuses, Christian citizens!
    Only one piece of advice to you: well, finally, read at least the very foundations of your religion! It is not good for hypocritical patriarchs to take their word for it! Read "Genesis" - in the same place, in black and white, the difference between God (who created the Earth, the Biosphere, Man) and the Lord with his "chosen people" is explained. You need to know the materiel, dear. Do you read loan agreements to the last letter when you take out a mortgage for 10 years? And religion - is it, as it were, for life? So why not read the contract for the sale of the soul at least in the part that concerns you?
    1. Ryusei
      Ryusei 10 November 2022 13: 59
      +1
      Because blaming everyone around, the army, the authorities, the oligarchs, etc. much easier than digging into yourself...
  39. Third district
    Third district 8 November 2022 16: 00
    +2
    In the event of an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we can: firstly, multiply the attacks on infrastructure, destroy the Yavorsky training ground, finally begin to reset the supply routes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - there is simply nothing to lose. We have everything to bring the enemy to his knees!

    The author writes a lot of the right things. In some ways I agree with him and in some ways I don’t. But I also agree with another person who wrote:
    Do you really not understand that we are not at war with Ukraine?

    It does not reach you that we are not only with NATO, we are not at war with Ukraine either.
    The "those in power" have no desire to win and sit as outcasts behind the Iron Curtain. Why a yacht the size of a cruiser and a villa in Italy, if
    you will be forced to sit in Penza all the time, because everywhere you are on the international wanted list. ?
    So they are testing the ground to make peace and pay less at the same time.
  40. Negro
    Negro 8 November 2022 17: 40
    0
    I agree with all suggestions.

    However, in parentheses, I note that it is almost impossible to distinguish the text of a patriot from trolling.
  41. Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin 8 November 2022 18: 03
    -2
    Kherson can not be taken. We need more mobilization. So that preparation takes place in a planned, and not emergency, mode. All the same, after all, you will have to carry out a general. So it's better now, before NATO enters Ukraine and opens several more fronts of hostilities. It is necessary to return Strelkov to command positions. Return Afghan commanders from the reserve. We need new forces and means in a significant amount, which can be provided only with the complete transition of the country's economy to a state of war, to a defense order. We need strikes on the kumpol of the Ukrainian Reich - on decision-making centers, on bridges and railways. We need sensible generals and officers, which we certainly have. But who will do all this?
    1. Evgeny Ivanov_5
      Evgeny Ivanov_5 8 November 2022 22: 34
      +3
      What Afghan commanders??? Are you delusional? They are now well over 60. I found the first Chechnya as a young lieutenant. And today I'm already in stock.
  42. acetophenone
    acetophenone 8 November 2022 18: 20
    +1
    "Everything for the front, everything for our Victory"!
    Everything means nothing. What exactly? How many recruits? How many forces and means for their preparation? How many shells? Drones? Body armor? How many guns, tanks and planes? So much, so much, so much? No, few. So much is needed. There is? Then we'll win. No no. And everything for the front, everything for victory, is demagogy.
  43. runway-1
    runway-1 8 November 2022 20: 32
    +3
    This controversial article, so to speak, is extremely ideological, and it is written in a very pathetic language, it lacks internal logic and reliance on facts...
  44. Alexander Salenko
    Alexander Salenko 8 November 2022 21: 33
    +2
    As Tsargrad writes about the causes of the disaster of 1941

    And there settled major experts in the history of the Second World War?
    The army was not ready for a real war. Even the people did not immediately hate the invaders ... So it was until the people saw the aggressors in action. He did not end up in the occupied territory controlled by terror. He did not lose numerous relatives and friends at the front. He did not experience the pangs of hunger and terrible hardships in the rear. Didn't remember and didn't turn to his religion

    This is church propaganda, but why didn’t you, the author, tell about the icon then, which won the battle for Moscow? Be consistent.
    To put it mildly, Tsargrad lied about the start of the war and about readiness, and it’s okay if I started stuffing Soviet propaganda in response, it’s enough to read the Germans, the same Halder, for example, he has, what is the beauty of the information of the Chief of Staff of the Ground Forces, a diary and not memoirs with afterthought. So Halder says that this is not a war with France in the very first days of the Second World War. With similar confessions, there are enough letters from German soldiers, and the appeal to religion has nothing to do with it.
    People, those who believed, were believers and remained, as the Germans again testify when examining prisoners, many had crosses and icons on their bodies, so that inner faith remained quite to itself. But there was also faith in communism, people from the very beginning understood what they were defending and what could be taken away from them, not so long ago as they tried to take it away, they observed in the face of the interventionists, they perfectly remembered what it was like to work for the owner.
    During the Great Patriotic War, almost all the youth were killed, and Europe was already taken by people of mature age. And this is a historical fact.

    In fact, another myth, although this is the first time I have come across this, but to put it mildly, it does not fight with demographics. Who was called up in 1942, who in 1944 upon reaching the age, the grandfather of my friend had time only for the war with Japan, again due to age. And we saw veterans not so long ago in large numbers, because then they were young, for example, like Yulia Drunina, who volunteered for the front, as one of the creators of lieutenant prose, Yuri Bondarev, his namesake Nikulin, born in 1921, there are many such names, because if you undertake to rely on historical knowledge, then approach it with all seriousness and not with negligence.
    The message is correct, it is impossible to surrender Kherson, but blunders can pour water on the enemy’s mill.
    1. ada
      ada 9 November 2022 01: 20
      0
      Quote: Alexander Salenko
      ... This is church propaganda, ...

      I will support you. But, I want to clarify, to make one amendment, that this is no longer just propaganda, this is a form of information warfare, church warfare.
      And the church, in this matter, has vast experience.
  45. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 8 November 2022 21: 46
    -3
    Unfortunately, over the well-fed years, we have forgotten how to hate the enemy, but he has not forgotten how ....
    Today we associate the concept of the Motherland with money, a house, a garden and chickens ...
    We can't bear to live without Turkish beaches and German cars, jeans and iPhones...
    We diligently got used to drinking smoothies and eating hamburgers, and together with them we quietly ate our ideological and Russianness ....
    We are faster than any sprinters, we are carried away anywhere, so that we are suddenly accidentally called to repay a debt .....
    With drunken muzzles, we joyfully buzz at the training grounds and send out cool videos to all networks .... and give them, the enemies, reasons to poke their fingers at us and confirm the correctness of their hatred for us ...
    With such a set of "patriotic moments" it is difficult, difficult and long to fight the enemy and defeat him!
  46. Evgeny Ivanov_5
    Evgeny Ivanov_5 8 November 2022 22: 26
    -6
    The author forgot that the NVO is held under the slogan: "No losses among our soldiers and citizens of Ukraine !!!" How can we fight evil and stubbornly if we try in every possible way to avoid big battles? The war cannot be won in positional battles. What is Borodino if the death of one mobilized causes hysteria in the media? If any mention of casualties causes citizens to demand to shoot the commander? With such an approach as now, during the war of 1812, society would have lynched Kutuzov and Bogration, and Raevsky, and many others.
    And here we are talking about major offensive operations. And this loss, loss and loss.
    1. Russian Patriot
      Russian Patriot 9 November 2022 09: 45
      +5
      Forward, to the nearest military registration and enlistment office.
      And do not forget, during the Patriotic War, our people died for Russia. And now for Kherson.
      The mobilized brother told me so when I asked how he felt about the surrender of Kherson.
      "Well, that's right. Why do we need him."
      What is he wrong about?
      1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 9 November 2022 12: 18
        -1
        And why the hell did we need all the lands around the Moscow principality ?!
        1. Russian Patriot
          Russian Patriot 9 November 2022 16: 32
          +3
          Imagine. Ivan ||| blitzkrieg captures part of the land of Novgorod, part of the city. Many locals go over to his side. He promises them rivers of milk and jelly banks.
          And then he negotiates with the posadnik and withdraws the troops away from Novgorod. And all the residents who went over to the side of the Muscovites just throws.
          But that's not all. Ivan III remains in the southern Novgorod lands. And there the Zemsky Sobor announces the accession to the Moscow Principality. The residents agree. But then Ivan again retreats and throws through the ass again.
          But that's not all. He strikes with his forehead and calls all the Muscovites to war. He promises good equipment, rich allowances and a horse to boot. But he's lying again. Muscovites themselves gathered warriors. Cursing the prince with bad words.
          But Ivan is not so simple. He sends the militia in parts. Especially not trained.
          Here is the end of the story. And think of it yourself.

          Do you understand the analogy? The Moscow princes pursued a specific goal: the collection of Russian lands. Now what? Why are our boys dying?
          For the demilitarization of Ukraine?
          Or for the protection of the population of Donbass? Which our management threw many times.
  47. jdiver
    jdiver 9 November 2022 00: 09
    +2
    The surrender of Kherson will lead to an imminent civil war in Russia and possibly the collapse of the country. The author is right, this is the new Stalingrad, if the authorities decide to surrender it according to the usual agreement, it will end very badly, no matter what the uncomplicated hopes of these lovers to negotiate with the Nazis.
    1. Russian Patriot
      Russian Patriot 9 November 2022 09: 38
      +8
      Kherson will be handed over, it is impossible to defend it. For some reason, many people forget that it is unrealistic to organize the supply of troops beyond the Dnieper.
      Plus, it is possible to undermine the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.
      As for the civil war...
      It is no coincidence that our leadership remembered the bunkers and civil defense. Clearly, we are not preparing for a nuclear war. Considering the overall Cuckold action plan of our government.
      1. highlight
        highlight 9 November 2022 15: 16
        +1
        You can organize. it is necessary to take hovercraft from the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Navy all over the country and use them to create an additional supply system for the troops. And urgently order new ones.
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  49. Yarr_Arr
    Yarr_Arr 9 November 2022 09: 15
    +3
    He left the reading on what the author claims: ".... Berlin was taken by the old people, the young were knocked out ...". And he emphasized (!) For fidelity, that this is a "historical fact" !!!
    As previously written in slang, KSAM.
    The author who composes "facts" is science fiction
  50. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 9 November 2022 09: 36
    +6
    Stop comparing the Great Patriotic War and NWO.
    What is happening is similar to the Livonian, Crimean, Russian-Japanese wars. A complete mess, betrayal and stupidity of the leadership. Plus, the fleet showed itself in an inappropriate way.
    You can compare with Finnish. But a protracted conflict was avoided there.