"The infantry ate itself and ate others, catching people." How the Russian militia liberated Moscow from Polish cannibals

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"The infantry ate itself and ate others, catching people." How the Russian militia liberated Moscow from Polish cannibals
"The Expulsion of Poles from the Kremlin by Pozharsky". Ernest Lissner


Russian militia


In September 1612, the Zemstvo militia defeated the Polish-Lithuanian troops of Hetman Khodkevich (Moscow battle, Part 2), who tried to unblock the garrison in Moscow. The siege of the Polish-Lithuanian troops in Kitay-gorod and the Kremlin became more dense.



The battle with Khodkevich showed that the strength of the Russian troops is in unity. It was necessary to unite the Second Militia of Minin and Pozharsky with the Cossacks of the First Militia of Trubetskoy. Under pressure from the spiritual authority of the influential and wealthy Trinity-Sergius Monastery, including the cellar Avraamy Palitsin, the voivodes entered into negotiations.

Prince Trubetskoy, referring to the nobility of his origin, demanded recognition of his chief leader. Pozharsky and Minin, in order to avoid strife, showed flexibility and made concessions. At the end of September 1612, both armies and authorities united. At the head of the united army and the Russian kingdom stood a new triumvirate - Trubetskoy, Pozharsky and Minin (under the formal command of Trubetskoy).

State administration bodies (orders) were formed, military issues were resolved by a single camp (headquarters) on the Neglinnaya River near the walls of the Kremlin. Orders and the camp were placed on neutral ground - in the middle between two camps - Cossack and Zemstvo. All letters were signed necessarily by Trubetskoy and Pozharsky. The name of Trubetskoy was in the first place, since he had the boyars received in Tushino from the "Tsar" False Dmitry II, and Pozharsky was only a steward. In fact, Prince Dmitry Mikhailovich, as a more talented commander and a just leader, had more influence in the army.


Sigismund's drawing of Moscow, made by the Poles, engraved in 1610

Siege continued


A general siege of the Kremlin and Kitay-gorod began, which were held by the Poles. 4 batteries were installed - in Zamoskvorechye, near the Cannon Yard, on Kulishki and Dmitrovka. The shelling of the Moscow fortifications began. The Poles were sent an offer to surrender. Pozharsky promised free passage to everyone, the sick and wounded were guaranteed carts.

The pans responded with rudeness:

“The Moscow people are the meanest people in the world and are like donkeys or marmots in courage ... henceforth do not write us your Moscow stupidities, but rather you, Pozharsky, let your people go to the plows.”

The courage of the Poles was due to the fact that they thoroughly robbed Moscow and took Russian treasures stored in the Kremlin as a “pledge”. The Poles even robbed their allies, the Russian boyars. So, they broke into the estate of the head of the Seven Boyars, Prince Fyodor Mstislavsky, beat him and robbed him. Bishop Arseniy Elassonsky did not escape robbery. He wrote:

“They took away all provisions from the Russians, things - silver, gold, clothes of gold-woven and silk.”

Therefore, the greedy gentry did not want to leave empty. The soldiers were starving, began to eat strangers and their own, called for help from the king and Khodkevich. But they didn't want to give up the gold.

Militarily, the position of the Polish garrison was hopeless. The king and the hetman could not help the Moscow garrison under the command of Colonels Mykolaj (Nicholas) Strus and Józef Budzilo (Osip Budilo) in the near future.

The Russian command took measures to strengthen the external defense in order to repel a new attack by the Poles. In Zamoskvorechye, the small fortresses destroyed in the battles - prisons - were restored. The banks of the Moskva River were surrounded by a fence-palisade with a shaft, the guns were placed so as to fire both at the Polish garrison and at the enemies who would break through to the Kremlin.

The militias dug a deep ditch not far from the Kremlin, fortified it by placing a battery near the Cannon Yard to shell the Kremlin. Prudent Prince Pozharsky personally supervised all engineering work.


Continued famine and cannibalism


The famine in the city began in the winter of 1611–1612. Polish-Lithuanian soldiers robbed Muscovites, took everything they liked (including wives and daughters). Prices for provisions jumped sharply, speculators from the Moscow region sold bread in the city at thirty times the price. Those who did not have money, they ate carrion. During this period, detachments of Khodkevich, Koretsky and Budzila broke into the fortress, brought carts with food, which temporarily alleviated the position of the garrison.

But on the whole, the situation was already difficult in the first winter of the blockade. One of his contemporaries wrote:

“In the fortress, the famine is so great that others were already dying of hunger, they ate what they could get. Dogs, cats, rats, dry skins (skins) and people even ... "

In the autumn of 1612, when hetman Khodkiewicz was unable to bring supplies into the fortress, and the blockade became complete, the situation became even worse. During the Battle of Moscow, part of the defeated detachments of Khodkevich managed to get into Kitai-Gorod and the Kremlin. But the soldiers arrived without convoys, provisions. That is, the garrison increased numerically, but food did not increase. Therefore, Neverovsky's companies were the first to die out, breaking through without money and their own supplies.

People began to disappear. Walking girls and servants who were at the garrison, lonely passers-by, sick and wounded. The commanders allowed the prisoners and prisoners to be slaughtered and eaten. The real nightmare began.

The Polish historian K. Waliszewski noted:

“The besieged used Greek manuscripts for cooking, finding a large and priceless collection of them in the archives of the Kremlin. Boiling parchment, they extracted from it a vegetable glue that deceives their painful hunger. When these sources dried up, they dug up the corpses, then began to kill their captives, and with the intensification of feverish delirium, they reached the point that they began to devour each other; this is a fact beyond the slightest doubt: the eyewitness Budzilo reports incredibly terrible details about the last days of the siege, which he could not invent ... Budzilo names faces, notes the numbers: the lieutenant and haiduk each ate two of their sons; another officer ate his mother! The strong took advantage of the weak, and the healthy took advantage of the sick. Quarreling over the dead…”

When Russian troops entered the Kremlin, they found many bodies and vats in which human flesh was salted. That is, the process was put on stream. They even traded in human beings.

There were few Russians left in the fortress: some fled, others died, and others were expelled as unnecessary eaters. Therefore, they slaughtered their own for meat. The bodies of the dead were dug out of the graves. Budzilo wrote:

"The infantry ate itself and ate others, catching people ... The strong slaughtered and ate the weak."

Surrender


The strength of the Polish-Lithuanian garrison dropped significantly. Of the 3,5 thousand soldiers, 1,5 thousand remained. The rest died of disease, starvation, wounds, some were eaten, prepared for future use. But during the ongoing negotiations, the lords behaved as before brazenly, refused to surrender.

On October 22 (November 1), 1612, the Cossacks, taking advantage of the fact that the Poles and Lithuanians could not reliably cover all the fortifications, launched an assault. The Russians broke into Kitai-Gorod. Weakened by hunger, the Polish-Lithuanian troops were unable to offer strong resistance. The Poles lost many people and fled to the Kremlin.

Seeing that further resistance is a quick death, the Polish command agreed to surrender. There was no more talk of free passage. Only unconditional surrender.

On October 26 (November 5), 1612, the remnants of the Polish garrison agreed to surrender. The Polish invaders were promised to save their lives if they handed over the stolen goods to the treasury.

October 27 (November 6) began the surrender of the Polish-Lithuanian garrison. The Polish regiment of Strusya, which entered the camp of Trubetskoy, was almost completely driven out by the Cossacks, contrary to the agreement. Among the Cossacks there were many fugitive peasants and serfs from the places that were ravaged and burned by the Polish troops, so they longed for fair revenge and refused any agreements.

In the Lithuanian regiment of Budzila, which surrendered to Pozharsky, there were also killed, but in much smaller numbers. Prince Dmitry Mikhailovich took special precautions to avoid a massacre. The prisoners were exiled to Russian cities, where they were under arrest, waiting for an exchange for Russian prisoners. So, Strus and Budzilo were in captivity until the Deulinsky truce in 1619.

On October 27 (November 6), 1612, the Russian militia solemnly entered the Kremlin, devastated and defiled by enemies. Temples were robbed, polluted, desecrated, estates and graves were plundered. The Lyakhs tried to hide some of the looted treasures in specially prepared caches, but they were found.

On Sunday, November 1 (11), 1612, in the morning on Red Square near the Execution Ground, militia warriors and Cossacks converged to the cheers of Muscovites. After the thanksgiving service, a solemn procession to the Kremlin opened. Zemstvo militia, led by Pozharsky and Minin, to the sound of bells and cannon fire, moving from the Arbat, entered the Frolovsky (Spassky) gates. The warriors carried lowered Polish banners, beaten off from the enemy.

In the Kremlin itself, the winners were met by colonels Strus, Budzilo and other Polish commanders, who dutifully laid down the banners of the royal army. Meanwhile, the Cossacks, led by Prince Trubetskoy, entered the Kremlin through the Borovitsky and Trinity Gates.

Muscovites celebrated the victory.

By a letter dated November 15 (25), the co-rulers of the Russian state, Pozharsky and Trubetskoy, convened representatives from cities and estates to choose a tsar.


Poles in Russian captivity. Hood. Mikhail Klodt

Heroic defense of Volokolamsk


The Russian capital was completely cleared of foreign invaders. This was an important stage in the fight against the interventionists to restore the unity of the Russian state. Minin and Pozharsky forever entered the Russian history like folk heroes.

However, the complete liberation of Russia was still far away. The western and northwestern regions of the Russian state were captured by Polish and Swedish troops. The Polish crown did not want to give up Moscow and the Russian throne. King Sigismund III was gathering an army for a new campaign against Moscow. The country was still plundered by gangs of Polish adventurers, "thieves' Cossacks", various impostors and chieftains. Before the end of the Time of Troubles, there were still years of stubborn struggle.

The Polish king was unable to muster a large army. Under his command was selected Polish cavalry, German mercenaries and part of the Smolensk garrison. In total, up to 5 thousand fighters. In Vyazma, the king united with the remnants of Khodkevich's army. Polish-Lithuanian troops marched along the Rzhev road. Sigismund, having learned about the surrender of the Kremlin garrison, said that he had come to give the kingdom of the prince Vladislav, chosen by the Russians.

But they did not want to submit to the enemy. The small fortress Pogoreloye Gorodishche refused to capitulate. Voivode Shakhovskoy ironically advised:

"Go, king, near Moscow, Moscow will be behind you, and we are ready to be yours."

In Moscow itself, the Russian command decided not to enter into negotiations with the king and withdraw troops towards the enemy. The city itself was badly damaged, the walls have not yet been restored. There were no reserves to withstand the siege. Most of the noble detachments and part of the Cossacks, due to lack of supplies, had to be disbanded to their homes. Pozharsky and Trubetskoy had no more than 3-4 thousand soldiers left.

The Polish army went to Volokolamsk. Voivode Karamyshev decided that resistance was pointless. However, the Don Cossack atamans Nelyub Markov and Ivan Yepanchin took command and did not let the enemy into the city. Sigismund was furious and laid siege to the fortress. An embassy was sent to Moscow, headed by Mezetsky, accompanied by a regiment of a thousand horsemen.

The Russian commanders did not conduct negotiations. The Poles were met near Vagankovo, beaten and thrown back. Ambassador Mezetsky went over to the side of the Russians. The nobleman Filisofov, who was captured, confused the Polish command even more, misinforming him:

“Moscow is crowded and rich, everyone promised not to take the prince to the kingdom and die for the Orthodox faith.”

Volokolamsk held out heroically. Russian warriors

“They fought in attacks, almost holding hands, and in three attacks they killed a great many Lithuanian and German people.”

The Cossacks made a sortie, captured several guns. Winter has begun. The Polish army was not ready for long-term hostilities.

November 27 (December 7) Sigismund gave the order to retreat. The Polish troops wandered back, leaving the wagon trains stuck in the snow, losing frozen and frostbitten soldiers.

The Polish raid to recapture Moscow failed. Sigismund's boasts of "bringing the great Russian state under himself and under Poland ..." did not come true.


I. P. Martos. Monument to Minin and Pozharsky on Red Square in Moscow. Built in 1818
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  1. for
    +9
    7 November 2022 05: 46
    A little late with the article. And 7 canceled 4 failed holiday, so day off. The local prince-governor wanted a parade at 7, but they were not allowed to be in charge (Samara).
  2. +17
    7 November 2022 06: 46
    *priceless Greek manuscripts...*
    Eh, it means that the invaders ate the library of Ivan the Terrible. There is one more point for * presenting * to the Poles. bully
    All on the occasion of the Great October Revolution!
    1. +5
      7 November 2022 08: 22
      Hi Serezha, Happy Holidays! smile

      .There is one more point for * presenting * to the Poles. bully


      Yes, they went to the well ... Dupy, They already got the whole world with their own presentations. laughing Do not touch, so maybe there will be less stink, although it is unlikely ...
      1. +6
        7 November 2022 08: 49
        Quote: Sea Cat
        though unlikely...

        Greetings Konstantin!
        Happy Holidays!
        As a matter of fact. No. I do not agree!
        It is necessary for each of * the requirement *. It is simply archival! Answer your counter, documented! If you just keep silent and * wipe yourself off *, then they will soon think of paying them money for * the villainous killing of the Kremlin garrison *. And what? Any absurdity can be expected from them . bully
        1. +4
          7 November 2022 09: 00
          And they don’t care what you do, they have a genetic programming for all sorts of claims to everything around them, and to Russia in particular. And nothing can be done about their inferiority complex, even a regiment of psychiatrists will not undertake. That's why I say: don't touch it - less stench. laughing
          1. +3
            7 November 2022 09: 11
            Quote: Sea Cat
            And they don’t care what you do, they have a genetic programming for all sorts of claims to everything around them, and to Russia in particular. And with this inferiority complex

            I agree.
            Quote: Sea Cat
            That's why I say: don't touch it - less stench.

            Will turn into a fossil. laughing And? Everyone will think that this is how it all happened. belay
            1. +2
              7 November 2022 09: 13
              Everyone will think that this is exactly what happened.


              And that's all that will remain of them to their descendants, well, except for Chopin, I guess.
              1. +2
                7 November 2022 20: 35
                Quote: Sea Cat
                And that's all that will remain of them to their descendants, well, except for Chopin, I guess.

                No, that's not good ... Poles beauties .. Leave for assimilation
    2. +2
      7 November 2022 16: 09
      >Oh, the occupiers ate the library of Ivan the Terrible.
      gnawed at the granite of science...
      1. +3
        7 November 2022 18: 14
        Quote from jdiver
        gnawed at the granite of science..

        It's a shame that inquisitive people still hope to find her. bully
        1. +2
          8 November 2022 03: 51
          Sergey Vladimirovich, how do you like this:
          Now no one decides anything. There is a theory of vertical progress, according to which each subsequent epoch of organic and then social life is shorter than the previous one by e = 2,71 times.
          The first epoch lasted for billions of years. The second is 2,71 times shorter, and so on. Homo sapiens arose, but the epochs of its development fit exactly into the theory of vertical progress. Tens of thousands of years from the Neanderthal man to slavery, thousands of years to monarchical states, hundreds of years to bourgeois revolutions, dozens to socialist, then years of the technological era - rested.
          Schedule:
          along the x-axis - time, a gentle, slowly rising curve, along the y-axis - the era of progress. The graph from epoch to epoch rises more and more steeply and now it has reached the vertical, requiring changing the epoch within days and hours. And since this contradicts the physiology and mentality of man, humanity has reached the highest point of its development and stopped there. End of epochs.
          What to do next, no one knows. Hence the forthcoming decade of wars, then a regression, a rollback to the era of the monarchy. For the monarch is a subject, a responsible actor, and presidents have ceased to be such, democracy has become obsolete.
          It turns out that the monarchy is better than an atomic war and a return to the primitive era.
          What will we choose?
          We have about 20-30 years to choose from. Singularity point of history.

          This is what I thought in the telegram VO. As a joke, just now. But not the podium.
          Although the Theory of vertical progress exists for a long time and even found its reflection in fiction.
          Almost 4 am. Can't sleep. Like a funny rhyme.
          1. +1
            8 November 2022 08: 16
            Quote: depressant
            Almost 4 am. Can't sleep. Like a funny rhyme.

            Oops! Lyudmila Yakovlevna, my dear! Well, it can’t be like that, huh? Early in the morning. I still have to work / more precisely, I’m already on it. /?!? bully How can I live with this now? belay
            Regarding the monarchy. Shutka? bully
            Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            1. +1
              8 November 2022 09: 51
              It's already 9:43, but I woke up at 8 o'clock. The result is insomnia.
              And you answer me when you want. I'll wait patiently, don't stress.
              Something bad is just happening in this life and something needs to be done about it.
              Time is already rushing.
              I feel how it wraps around me with incredible speed, picking it up and taking it away, while in you it stretches slowly. You seem to be frozen in a bad present, and I am forced to catch signs of the future, and they also do not inspire delight.
          2. 0
            7 December 2022 16: 14
            End of eras What to do next, no one knows

            There is another answer why no one knows within the framework of your "theory" - your theory is false, and therefore does not work.
  3. +2
    7 November 2022 07: 33
    The Polish Lithuanian Roman intervention can be understood, but the Swedish one does not fit, maybe there were mercenaries, of course, but I think this country did not take part in the event.
  4. +3
    7 November 2022 08: 16
    It's amazing how the Poles didn't eat the Romanovs? For divorce, left ..
    1. 0
      7 November 2022 12: 03
      The Troubles of 1605-1613 were started by the Romanov boyars to gain power and ascend to the throne. False Dmitry I, who started the Troubles, is known in the world as Grishka Otrepiev. He was a serf of the Romanov family, i.e. hereditary "servicemen" from their home army. At the court of the Romanovs, Grishka Otrepiev received education and military training. Thanks to the Romanovs, he was aware of all the palace gossip, which allowed him to very convincingly play the role of the miraculously saved Tsarevich Dmitry. As you can see, the plan of the Romanovs was a success, which is confirmed by the 300-year rule of this dynasty.
      Before the accession of the Romanovs to the throne, they actively cooperated with the Poles to the detriment of Russia in order to gain power. CM. Solovyov (famous historian of the 26th century) about the surrender of the Poles in the Kremlin on November 8 (December 1612 n.s.) XNUMX:
      ... First, the boyars were released - Fyodor Ivanovich Mstislavsky, Ivan Mikhailovich Vorotynsky, Ivan Nikitich Romanov with his nephew Mikhail Fedorovich and the mother of the latter Martha Ivanovna and all other Russian people ...
      - i.e. The Poles were the first to release collaborators from the Kremlin for trial. As you can see, the first among them was Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov, who was subsequently married to the kingdom in 1613. Only after it was safe to "roll" with the collaborators, the Poles came out on their own.
      According to contemporaries, the famine in the besieged Kremlin was such that the gentry ate (in the literal sense of the word) not only orderlies, but also their best friends and associates - cannibalism was the norm. According to eyewitnesses, all the Cathedrals of the Moscow Kremlin were desecrated with cauldrons with the remains of human flesh and scraps of human remains. In this regard, it is touching that after such a terrible famine, the Romanovs did not leave the Kremlin on a stretcher. Question: how many yard girls (the most useless resource in a besieged fortress) did Misha Romanov eat before leaving the Kremlin? As you can see, both the accession to the throne and the rejection of it by the Romanovs were equally bloody.
      1. +6
        7 November 2022 14: 41
        Quote: Old electrician
        The Troubles of 1605 - 1613 were started by the Romanov boyars

        You greatly exaggerate the Romanovs' ability to manage global events. There was a situation, they took advantage of it, they are not so different. And unleashing turmoil, putting an impostor on the throne, with an unknown result, is simply too much to hang on them.
        1. 0
          8 November 2022 15: 21
          I present the story of Grishka Otrepyev as briefly as possible.
          In 1598, Boris Godunov, a boyar, brother-in-law (brother-in-law) of Tsar Fedor I Ioannovich (son of Ivan the Terrible) became the Russian Tsar.
          The son of the influential boyar Nikita Romanovich Zakharyin-Yuriev, Fyodor Nikitich Romanov was the cousin of the last tsar of the Rurik dynasty, Fyodor Ioannovich. The stump is clear that he considered himself deprived, so he decided to overthrow Godunov and take his place. A conspiracy was being prepared, which was revealed in 1600. After that, during the anti-terrorist operation, the Romanov yard was taken by storm. Fyodor Nikitich and his wife Ksenia Shestova were forcibly tonsured monks under the names of Filaret and Martha, which was supposed to deprive them of their rights to the throne, and sent into exile. Other Romanovs also suffered. The hatred of the Romanovs for the Godunovs after that became prohibitive.
          Grishka Otrepiev (circa 1581 - May 17, 1606) until 1595 was a serf at the court of Mikhail Nikitich Romanov. Correctly understand the word "serf". This is not a servant and, moreover, not a serf. This is a representative of the domestic armed formation of the boyars of that time. Becoming a serf was a high honor, inherited. Grishka's father, a nobleman, a former centurion of the Streltsy troops, was close to Nikita Romanovich Zakharyin-Yuriev, the grandfather of the first tsar of the Romanov dynasty, Mikhail.
          At the age of 14 (in 1595), Grishka (worldly name - Yuri) was tonsured a monk in the Zhelezny Borok monastery under the name Grigory.
          In 1600, under the patronage of his cousin Elizary Zamyatni-Otrepyev, Grishka Otrepyev became a monk of the aristocratic Chudov Monastery. According to other sources, Elizar was Grishka's grandfather.
          I will translate the last paragraph into modern language. The impoverished chairman of the long-ruined collective farm "50 years without a crop" made patronage to his cousin-nephew (grandson) for admission to MGIMO. At that time, there were only two options for protection:
          1. Give the monastery lands with serfs. The Otrepiev family were small estate nobles, they did not have extra land. So, for example, the father of Grishka Otrepyev, in order to feed himself, rented land from Nikita Romanovich Zakharyin-Yuriev, the founder of the Romanov dynasty. Those. land for Grishka could not be given.
          2. Make a generous donation to the monastery. Elizar would hardly have wished to pay steep sums for his cousin's nephew (grandson). In addition, in order to give someone cool money, you first need to take them somewhere. And where to get them for a poor family? Therefore, the question of questions is: who was this good Samaritan who secretly made rich donations for Grishka Otrepyev through Elizario? Convince me that this Good Samaritan did not belong to the Romanov family.
          In the same 1600 another remarkable event took place. A rumor began to stubbornly spread that the murder of Tsarevich Dmitry Godunov was unsuccessful, and the Tsarevich miraculously escaped. Grishka could not organize such a thing. Another mysterious benefactor from the Romanov family?
          Grishka stayed in the Miracle Monastery until 1602. This time was well spent. He honed the legend of his origin and salvation. According to the official version, at this time the “black Grishka” begins to boast very imprudently that he will someday take the royal throne. There was a denunciation, which should have been followed by punishment. However, having been warned by a mysterious patron, Grishka gave up on time, and in 1602 arrived in Kyiv, which belongs to Poland. There he began to unwind as an impostor.
          In the Chudov Monastery, Grishka, according to the testimony of the Chudov monks, asked them about the details of the murder of the prince, as well as about the rules and etiquette of court life. This testimony of the monks exactly repeats the famous cry of the blonde from the film “The Diamond Arm”: “Innocent me! He came to himself!" It would be strange if the monks voluntarily confessed that, at the instigation of the Romanovs, they trained Grisha Otrepyev for the role of False Dmitry.
          I am not so naive as to believe that the Romanovs conceived the Troubles as they were. Grishka was intended by them for external use. Like Kurbsky, he was supposed to continuously broadcast from Warsaw about the legitimacy of Godunov. The lack of legitimacy of Godunov, in turn, made the conspirators legitimate who sought justice for the "legitimate" Tsarevich Dmitry. You can be sure that the appearance of False Dmitry in Moscow was not planned. Because in a normal state, he would be instantly exposed. Well, how to transfer power from the legitimate prince from Warsaw to his benefactors in Moscow would be a matter of technology.
          Alas! The elite and the Russian state of that time were rotten to the core. This was repeated in the Russian Empire in February 1917 and in the USSR during the years of Perestroika. Only thanks to the decayed state Grishka Otrepiev was able to solemnly enter Moscow. After that, he imagined himself a real king, but it was already too much. For the sake of his exaltation, Grishka decided to stand above the elite, who did not know sentiment, and immediately finished him off.
          As a result, whatever one may say, Grishka Otrepiev is a protege of the Romanov family. Therefore, they are personally responsible for the tragedy of the Russian Troubles, no matter how they conceived it.
          1. 0
            8 November 2022 21: 00
            Thanks for the detailed history tour. I do not deny the attempts of the Romanovs to overthrow Godunov, there was still that viper. It may well be that Otrepyev was incited to some kind of action, although it is unlikely that the Romanovs should understand (this is not Nicholas 2) that this impostor is fraught with unknown consequences. There was a mess, swayed by the entire so-called elite, in the hope of at least improving their position, and as a maximum to sit on the throne themselves. The impostor with the Poles is superfluous here, everyone understood that the Poles would not give up the throne.
      2. +1
        31 December 2022 16: 07
        Quote: Old electrician
        The Poles in the Kremlin surrendered on November 26, 1612 to the old style, i.e. December 8, 1612 according to the new style.

        belay

        Nikolay Ivanovich KOSTOMAROV (4 (16) May 5.1817 - 7 (19) April 4.1885, St. Petersburg) "The story of the liberation of Moscow from the Poles in 1612 and the election of Tsar Mikhail."
        I understand that Kostomarov's books are thick and it will be hard for an old electrician, and there is a lot of bukaf in them, but try to master them. lol
        As for the heroic battle for China City, Kostomarov said very briefly:
        "..... On October 25, the Russians entered the Kremlin with triumph. The Zemstvo army gathered near the church of John the Merciful, on the Arbat, and Trubetskoy's army outside the Pokrovsky Gates."
  5. Des
    +4
    7 November 2022 09: 29
    "The Russian commanders did not begin negotiations."
    ..."The nobleman Filisofov, who was captured, confused the Polish command even more, misinforming him:" Moscow is crowded and bread, everyone promised not to take the prince to the kingdom and die for the Orthodox faith. "So be it.
  6. -1
    7 November 2022 10: 27
    I thank the editors of VO, which, under the heading "History" by 10 o'clock on November 7, did not even remember the historical and fateful date called by the communists. The editorial policy of VO pleases in that it follows the general trend in the media space and in state domestic policy, to recall the October Revolution as rarely as possible and to remind as often as possible about Rus' and Russia, which in fact in a hundred years has grown from a small Moscow principality to a large Kingdom and then to the world's largest empire. But the communists, who in 1917 inherited the state from Imperial Russia, for less than eighty years, by 1991, the state borders of the country handed to them in 1917, were thrown back at least 400 years ago, leaving 20 Russian people there. What about them and their power to remember!
    Yes, in the world, as a result, Africa and Asia benefited from this coup, but Russia, as a result, is still a catastrophic loser.
    Russian society must be taught to recognize what the Communists have been hiding from it for eighty years.
    This is a glorious path from Princely Rus' to the majestic Empire of Russia. And who led Rus' and Russia along this path. This is so that post-Putin Russia must necessarily return to the imperial path and restore the Russian Empire.
    1. +6
      7 November 2022 11: 57
      You are absolutely right! The genocide of the Russian population and its total robbery followed precisely after the 1991 coup d'état. In conditions where the family does not have any prospects for the future, but there is free access to cheap contraceptives and abortions, the population of Russia has drastically reduced the birth rate. To this we must add the collapse of medicine and education, a decrease in life expectancy, and so on. ways to eliminate the population according to the plan Ost. As a result, according to official data in the Russian Federation for the 90s, the population decline amounted to the 20 million you named. To these, you need to add 10 million emigration over 30 years. Total 30 million people down. For comparison, during the "white exodus" in the Civil War, only 2 million parasites left the country.
      Especially clearly the process of genocide of the Russian population is visible in the countryside. So in the last 20 years alone, 20 villages have disappeared in Russia—three of them every day. In turn, more than one generation of consumers has been brought up in the city, for whom even one child is often a burden. Therefore, modern Russia is dying out and there is no glimpse at the end of the tunnel.
      PS. About the holiday of unity. After the announcement of the mobilization, the prices for basic military necessities (for example, thermal underwear) jumped several times at once. Everything became like under the tsar father: to whom is the war, and to whom is the mother.
      1. +2
        7 November 2022 18: 20
        The situation is the same with berets. Well, who has in stock.
        1. +2
          8 November 2022 04: 06
          I support all the comrades who spoke above.
          What happened can't be returned.
          And, you know what?
          I demand the Russian Republic!
          It would be nice to discuss its boundaries.
          I know what they will tell me. Like, this is the collapse of the Russian Federation. And so he goes. And... I'm tired of being a cement object. I am the subject.
          1. +1
            8 November 2022 08: 21
            Quote: depressant
            It would be nice to discuss its boundaries.

            And in fact, in what borders do you see it?
            1. +1
              8 November 2022 09: 25
              Something like this.
              Russian north, St. Petersburg, Moscow and areas around. I need to look at the map...
              She took out her luxurious Soviet atlas (such a thing! - she saved it, as she knew it would come in handy), shook off the dust - and now ...
              Regions of Europe - Central, Central Chernozem, Volga-Vyatka, Northern and Northwestern regions.
              That is, the entire north of the European part of the USSR and the middle part of the European part to the Ural Mountains and further south, bypassing Tatarstan along the Volga, and to the Rostov region (it is already alien).
              And that's it, I've had enough.
              And collect Russians from everywhere. For the mass of abandoned villages, factories, overgrown with forests, etc. The rest of the guys who have already settled in this territory should be given a lift and a warm goodbye.
              I warn you now:
              I'm not CIPSO, I'm not a CIA agent, I'm just a Russian person who sees that my great nation has overstrained itself, becoming the building material for greatness - either tsars, or general secretaries, or presidents.
              We need to rest and, by resting, begin to restore ourselves.
              The Russians are tired.
              1. +1
                8 November 2022 09: 53
                Quote: depressant
                to the Ural Mountains

                And Siberia? And the Far East?
                Quote: depressant
                The Russians are tired.

                This is understandable. But we live with it.
                1. +1
                  8 November 2022 10: 04
                  No, Sergei Vladimirovich, neither Siberia nor the Far East. Nothing. Even Mordovia and Chuvashia are not needed. Not to mention Tatarstan. Nothing..
                  Because it can't be like that with us. It is impossible for a Russian person to live for centuries in a mode of complete self-giving to someone and heroic tension.
                  And all this is debatable. For example, at least the Republic of Rus' as part of the Russian Federation. Or, say, Muscovy ...
                  Understand that they don’t even want to talk to us, because we simply don’t exist. There are no Russians! We are not an actor, not a subject of history, we are an object. Anyone is hiding behind our name, they say "Russians", and we are Great Russians.
              2. +1
                8 November 2022 10: 01
                Quote: depressant
                I'm not CIPSO, I'm not a CIA agent, I'm just a Russian person who sees that my great nation has overstrained itself, becoming the building material for greatness - either tsars, or general secretaries, or presidents.
                We need to rest and, by resting, begin to restore ourselves.

                Absolutely right. And that's why I... well, you know. bully
                1. +1
                  8 November 2022 11: 13
                  That's how I am. The desire to participate in historical seminars on a given topic has disappeared so far. Like "I know this on this issue! And I know this!"
                  wassat )))
  7. +4
    7 November 2022 10: 39
    Samsonov! I appreciate your love for liberals, but even for the sake of love for them, you don’t need to tell fairy tales:
    On October 22 (November 1), 1612, the Cossacks, taking advantage of the fact that the Poles and Lithuanians could not reliably cover all the fortifications, went on the assault. The Russians broke into Kitai-Gorod.
    ...
    On October 26 (November 5), 1612, the remnants of the Polish garrison agreed to surrender. The Polish invaders were promised to save their lives if they handed over the stolen goods to the treasury.
    - gee-gee-gee!
    Before writing historical anecdotes, read the classics first:
    Sergei Mikhailovich Solovyov "History of Russia since ancient times" Book IV. 1584-1613. seventh volume
    .
    I understand that Solovyov's books are thick, there is a lot of bukaf in them, but you will try to master them. As for the heroic battle for China City, after which the Poles allegedly surrendered, Solovyov said about it very briefly:
    ... Finally, on October 22, the Cossacks went on the attack and took Kitai-Gorod. The Poles held out in the Kremlin for another month; to get rid of extra mouths, they ordered the boyars and all Russian people to send their wives out of the Kremlin ...

    On my own behalf, I’ll add that Kitai-Gorod has changed hands many times before.
    According to all historical sources
    The Poles in the Kremlin surrendered on November 26, 1612 to the old style, i.e. December 8, 1612 according to the new style.

    There are no variations on this date, just as there is no connection between November 4, according to a new style, and the liberation of the Kremlin from the Poles on December 8, according to a new style.
    I understand the desire to tie the birthday of Tsarevich Dmitry Alekseevich (October 22 (November 3), 1648 - October 6, 1649) to the main holiday of the liberals, the day of the so-called unity. Indeed, it was in his honor that October 22 (autumn "Kazanskaya") became a national holiday under Tsar Father Alexei Mikhailovich - to the delight of Poklonskaya, who recently equated the USSR with Nazi Germany. In Russia, they are allegedly threatened with a criminal article for this, but laws are not written for liberals.
    The most piquant thing about the holiday of the so-called unity, allegedly named in honor of the expulsion of the Poles from the Kremlin, is that with the beginning of the NWO, the founding fathers of this holiday together reached out to Israel, the Baltic countries, and other states openly hostile to Russia, from where they call on the Ukronazis to kill as many Russians as possible and destroy Russia as a state. Furthermore. Literally the other day, the liberal opposition, among those who promoted themselves more than others on this holiday, at their foreign gathering called for an armed struggle against the bloody Putin regime and the extermination of all representatives of law enforcement agencies. Those. members of the SVO. Such is our celebration of unity.
    PS. For those who want to call me a commie, I inform you in advance:
    Sergei Mikhailovich Solovyov (May 5 (17), 1820, Moscow - October 4 (16), 1879, Moscow) - Russian historian; professor at Moscow University (since 1848), rector of Moscow University (1871-1877), full member of the Imperial St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences in the Department of the Russian Language and Literature (1872), Privy Councilor.
    For the first time he used the terms "Novgorod Rus", "Kievan Rus", "Vladimir Rus", "Moscow Rus", with which he designated the temporary periods of the formation of the Russian state.
    1. +5
      7 November 2022 13: 27
      Samsonov! I appreciate your love for liberals, but even for the sake of love for them, you don’t need to tell fairy tales

      Voice in the wilderness! The Agitprop consortium "Samsonov" is deeply ... indifferent to all sorts of critical cries of smerds! They are paid money for something completely different - an obedient movement in the wake of the course of official propaganda. The fact that "samsonov" this movement carries out in a perverted form does not change the essence. Therefore, the serf "deep people" can scream until they're blue in the face - the caravan will follow its course.
      1. +3
        7 November 2022 18: 21
        Therefore, the most reasonable thing is not to react at all. However, there are exceptions to the rule.
        1. +1
          7 November 2022 18: 23
          Therefore, the most reasonable thing is not to react at all.

          Controversial issue.
  8. +6
    7 November 2022 15: 34
    Glory to citizen Minin and Prince Pozharsky, who rallied the people and threw the woolly Poles into the trash. Glory to Empress Catherine II and Prince Suvorov, who for the first time tore Polish lewdness to shreds! And the Polish kinglet Stasik Poniatowski was a regular poodle with the queen,
    After that, mother Catherine arranged the second partition of Poland, from which only indecency remained. And in 1797 lewdness ceased to exist. In 1863-64, assholes, sorry, the Polish gentry tried to kick, but the Most Serene Prince of Warsaw Ivan Fedorovich Paskevich-Erivansky technically disciplined this bastard. And one cannot help but recall General Mikhail Nikolayevich Muravyov-Vilensky, who simply hung the most zealous Polish militants like dogs (terrorists). Therefore, any Polish scum, raising their tails and raising their legs, is trying to spoil us.
  9. +2
    7 November 2022 17: 51
    Happy October to all comrades!
    1. +1
      8 November 2022 04: 12
      Dear friend, happy holiday to you!
      And also to all Bulgarians who still remember the era of bright hopes!
      drinks love hi )))
  10. 0
    25 January 2023 16: 12
    Let me remind you of the atrocities of the Cossacks on the side of Poland in Russian cities that surprised even the Poles. I can imagine what the Cossacks did with people, the Ukrainians have owed Russia since that time because they were nonhumans. We need to remember this, about who the Ukrainians were then and now are no better.

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