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Shooting training of the population for the defense of the country

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Shooting training of the population for the defense of the country
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Comparing the Soviet system of pre-army military training of youth with today's one, I would like to ask, were we fundamentally not going to fight at all? I compare, having my own life experience, training of the population and opportunities earlier, during the period of the Great and Proud Country and today.

For children


I grew up in an ordinary provincial town with a population of about 70 at the time. The first time I had a chance to shoot after the 000rd grade, when my family and I sailed on a boat to Ulyanovsk for a tour of Lenin's places. Such excursions were annual, organized by their school, where my mother worked as a teacher. What I liked and remembered most of all - a shooting range at the pier, pneumatics, a distance of 3 meters. Before that, I was not particularly interested in shooting, I thought, having weapon in the hands, it is impossible to miss, enemies can be mowed down until the cartridges run out (grew on war films).

I was lured by a friend, 2 years older than me, who had already been to the shooting range, and then it turned out that I didn’t hit at all, and therefore my interest quickly disappeared. At this time, adults were passing by, among them my dad. Having learned my problems, he explained the principles of shooting, made sure that I understood, and left for the ship, giving me money for bullets.

The thing went. On this day before sailing, I shot a bullet for more than 3 rubles at a price of 3 kopecks per bullet!

At the end of the summer, my father took me to the school where my mother worked, to the shooting gallery. The military instructor there was Rashid Sofeevich, a man, 45–50 years old. A shooting range is a separate buried structure that allows you to shoot up to 50 meters in pairs. They also let me shoot, but my expectations were not met - another disappointment, however, as before with the air gun, it was primary.

It was 1983, I just turned 10 years old in the fall. I remember at home my dad asked me if I wanted to go shooting, to which I refused. For the first time. I agreed in the fall. Began to walk. I understood the principles of aiming, got used to it. I started getting better results.

For adults


I want to describe the general level of shooting training of adults, whose shooting I observed. My parents were good shots. Not bad, how is it? About 40 or a little over 40 out of 50. Those who shoot know that this is very normal when you are over 40 and your eyesight is far from perfect. These are not athletes, rifles are not individual.

Weapon


Yes, in arms. In the old wooden two-story building of the river school there was a weapons room on the second floor, with bars, with an alarm, there were small-caliber rifles TOZ-8, TOZ-12 (with a diopter sight), whether the magazines were, it seems, they shot a couple of times, but I won’t lie , I don’t remember, almost 40 years have passed, pistols, I don’t remember the brand.

I don’t write about what I didn’t shoot and couldn’t shoot from (training AKs with a drilled barrel, etc.). I was not trained to work with them at that time. I was engaged only in practical shooting from the so-called small things.

The country prepared the Defenders of the Motherland


I came to the school at a certain time, where the shooters gathered, some of whom, with a military instructor, went to the gunsmith to receive weapons and ammunition, I remember how I carried a real firearm or pistol, albeit a small-caliber one, to a shooting gallery located 50 meters from the entrance to this building, how before firing from a pistol, the military instructor drove us to the horizontal bar to pull ourselves up, why, I don’t know, like - so that the hand would not tremble.

I didn’t shoot well with a pistol, I shot 20-something maximum, but I was from incomplete 10 to 11 years old. But on the other hand, rifles began to turn out well. As a keepsake, Rashid Sofeevich gave me my best result: targets, 2 pieces, 5 + 5 from 25 meters. Of course, one of them does not have 49/50, probably, the mentor calculated with a plus to stimulate me, but how I learned to shoot in a little over a year, you can probably appreciate it, I was only 11 years old, in the end I went to shoot for about one and a half years.

But the most interesting thing is that when I shot well at the Winter Olympics and I was praised at school, some of my classmates wanted to learn how to shoot too. Three or four of us came to the shooting gallery on time (I didn’t involve my parents to negotiate), I, very embarrassed, asked Rashid Sofeevich to my friends about the possibility of shooting, and ... he accepted 10-11-year-old boys. True, he later kicked out one, the most frivolous one, but three or four (someone left, someone came), they walked for half a year, and they received skills in shooting and handling weapons.

Above, I wrote that I went for about a year and a half, why so little? Yes, children's uncertainty and the desire for freedom. I quit, like some other before and after, but that's not the point.

How simple everything was: both for the mentor and for the military potential of the country. How did the military instructor unsubscribe for the consumption of cartridges and did he unsubscribe? Did he record us, young children, in some kind of accounting statements, and were there any at all? My father and mother are no longer there to ask if Rashid Sofeevich is still here, but I don’t want to disturb him, he is already very old ... if he is here.

I asked the elderly, yes, they say, they didn’t oblige at the enterprises, but there were always plenty of people who wanted to shoot, there were no obstacles in this, there were many shooting galleries in the town, and not only with small-caliber weapons.

I remember that when I was a preschooler, my father took me to shoot from combat pistols in the shooting range of a watch factory. I was then only interested in cartridge cases and bullets, but that's not the point. The country trained the Defenders of the Motherland, of course, not at a professional level, but many, and not only men, had the basis of marksmanship and handling of weapons. In the school where my mother worked, women also shot, and sometimes not bad!

The 90s began, and, in my opinion, even from the end of the 80s. Weapons, even training ones, were confiscated, leaving only pneumatics, that is, almost toys.

Today


When writing an article, I ask my sons who graduated from school, did they shoot while studying at school? Not! Yes, disassembly-assembly of AK. A little. But what does the feeling of a weapon mean when shooting, breathing, aiming principles, when even a slight sideways fall of the weapon will mean the bullet is pulled sideways and down, and much, much more.

Most of today's youth, and not only youth, do not know this. In the town there was one more or less normal shooting gallery in the police department, where there is no entrance for an ordinary person, and sometimes there is a shooting gallery with an “air” in the park. Sometimes.

How about in most other small towns? sat down?

Yes, in large cities there are paid (paid!) shooting ranges, polygons. But are there, as before, opportunities for the majority of the population to improve shooting skills (learn the basics of marksmanship)?

Military service


Once in a motorized rifle unit, he became a sniper, shot not bad, but only not bad, although in one of my extreme shootings he showed the best result in the battalion among conscripts, of course. But sniper did not. Most of the time they didn't do that.
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  1. Bingo
    Bingo 4 November 2022 05: 57
    +5
    I'll throw in 5 kopecks. In addition to the skills of handling weapons, training in bullet shooting has a very banal feature:
    True, one, the most frivolous, he then kicked out

    A psychiatrist who issues a certificate of weapons or rights sees a clown for 15 minutes at most. He won't give him anything. If a person, let's say, is unbalanced. The hysterical type - and these are all, without exception, school shooters and fools at the steering wheel - will fall asleep for at least two more at the setting of the hand. If, in theory, you introduce mandatory shooting in schools, with a mark in the medical record, you simply won’t have these shooters with Schumachers. It is possible so - there is a positive mark - a regular examination by a psychiatrist, no - please be kind to an in-depth study, for additional. fee.
    So this is not only ready-made personnel for the army from the Voroshilov shooters. This is a diagnosis for you right away, who should not be allowed into dangerous things. Expensive? And not more expensive than terrorist attacks in schools. And in general, a small cartridge is garbage, TOZik 16 - God forbid 10 pieces, rather half as much laughing . To equip a shooting range is not a trick at all, a penny. Bare walls, one and a half lamps, pillars with shields and an inclined sheet of iron against the far wall.
    1. Asad
      Asad 4 November 2022 09: 36
      +4
      I think that the design of the shooting gallery is still a headache. In Novosibirsk, a patient with oncology shot himself at the first lesson. I can imagine how much blood is curtailed to the owners. Specifically, according to the article, in 1982 he fired either 7 or 10 times in the army. Probably ran out of ammo.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 4 November 2022 11: 05
      +4
      About the school shooting range. I finished school in 1972, in Orenburg. Through the efforts of the military instructor, Nikolai Yegorovich, a shooting range for small things was equipped in the basement of the school, in addition, the class was taken to the shooting range of the anti-aircraft school, where we fired 3 cartridges from AK at 100 m. throwing, the angle of the target, etc. That is, everything depended heavily on the individual and local conditions.
    3. your1970
      your1970 4 November 2022 23: 46
      +2
      Quote from Bingo
      at at-two, he will fall asleep even at the installation of the hand. If, in theory, you introduce mandatory shooting in schools, with a mark in the medical record, you simply won’t have these shooters with Schumachers.

      Hmm? Right away?
      A forensic psychiatric half a year a hospital it happens....
      And it's not always clear

      Quote from Bingo
      To equip a shooting range is not a trick at all, a penny. Bare walls, one and a half lamps, pillars with shields and an inclined sheet of iron against the far wall.

      It cost from 5 million 6 years ago. Concrete walls, bullet traps, lighting, ventilation, iron doors and so on.
      Therefore, they are exclusively in cities with a population of over one million - the costs do not pay off.
      There have been discussions on this topic before...
      As an example Here and now
      Quote: paul3390
      Let's say for the five millionth Peter - there is only one sane shooting range with decent distances. And the price tag there is by no means humane
      1. your1970
        your1970 5 November 2022 00: 15
        +1
        More about accessibility
        Quote: KSVK
        what are you, the author?
        In Moscow, IN MOSCOW!!! TWO!!! available shooting range up to 300 meters. Two more!!! up to 100 m. This is for the whole of MOSCOW. The price of visiting is 2000-3000 ₽ per hour.
    4. Vovik212
      Vovik212 8 November 2022 11: 13
      0
      about the shooting gallery: at the school where my father worked, the shooting gallery was even simpler. two meter (diameter) concrete pipes and at the beginning and end - two brick sheds)
    5. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 12: 41
      -1
      What a strange idea you have about shooting training and organization of a shooting gallery .... With your kit, even environmentalists will not let you go anywhere, but you have to lead is dangerous when it gets into the water, it poisons nature. The question is not supposedly to organize a shooting range with shooters, but to organize training in shooting and handling weapons .. Shooting games do not contribute to this ... Identifying people with possible mental disorders is a complex process .. But in our age it is not a bigger problem .. Training courses the handling of weapons is different, here it is necessary not to study in a hurry, but systematically. For example, in the EU you are given six months to study theory and practice with you ONLY under the supervision of a public trainer (by the way, also a process). Then an exam, at least: theory 75%, practice 75%, safety 100%.. Don’t hold the pistol like that, shoot there ..
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 4 November 2022 06: 17
    +2
    As a kid, he constantly ran to shoot from pneumatics at various shooting ranges ... he stuffed his hand so that he knocked matches from 10 meters ... smile now I probably won’t be able to do that and the eye is not the same and my hands are shaking ... from the bazooka I can still hit the target.
    I like sport shooting more ... now the cartridges are expensive and you can’t shine in shooting ranges. request
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 4 November 2022 06: 18
    +11
    It's just that a serious organization should deal with such things. Like the Soviet DOSAAF or the American NSA .. Having properly trained staff, regulations, training grounds and shooting ranges, etc., etc. It’s obvious that it’s much easier for a trained instructor to identify a schizoid in the process of training than a psychiatrist in 15 minutes of admission.

    Then - it must first of all be accessible. Let's say for the five millionth Peter - there is only one sane shooting range with decent distances. And the price tag there is by no means humane. For - like everything in our country, nonecha is commercial. And this despite the fact that the entire territory of the region is dug up by abandoned army training grounds !!

    No, if you want the population to be trained in this area, and at the same time to make this process relatively safe, this should be done by the state. And only it. However - as well as in many other areas. Hasn't the obvious truth reached capitalism in 30 years - the market doesn't solve everything effectively??

    Avon - take an example from Switzerland .. In every house there are guns, a favorite place for the weekend shooting range, and nothing - you don’t hear something about massacres there ... And don’t blame everything like mentality - this is just the result of the correct organization of the issue . No more..
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 4 November 2022 10: 42
      +2
      this should be done by the state.

      Undoubtedly! But only as a customer. Direct preparation should be carried out by authorized public associations. And officials are allowed to be brought up only as guests of honor)).
    2. NAP
      NAP 6 November 2022 16: 11
      +1
      Just the same, the point here is precisely in the mentality, if we take not European Texas such as Austria, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Estonia, Latvia, Finland, etc. and to take countries such as Yemen and Pakistan where buying a machine gun is not a problem, it turns out that it's all about people there. There are no massacres because there is no such split in society, there is a certain unity and ideas.
    3. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 12: 45
      0
      I absolutely agree with you, it’s not the weapon that shoots, but the person .. When your fusee is in a safe, and the cartridges and clips are in another, then you are unlikely to rush to score your sauer in order to shoot at the neighbor’s naughty dog ​​.. It will be easier to call the police ..
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 November 2022 06: 27
    +8
    I'll speak from my own experience. He began to shoot from small-caliber weapons TOZ -8, 12, Margolin pistol from the age of 12. In 1966, the "School of Young Defenders of the Motherland" was created at the Ussuri Higher Automobile School - uniforms, insignia, classes in fire, drill, internal combustion engines, physical training, etc. I had to shoot from the AKM assault rifle and the PK machine gun already in the 10th grade at the "initial military training". Having entered the higher command combined arms school at the initial stage, there were no longer any problems in the classes in fire training and practical shooting, drill training. This is me to the fact that it is necessary to return the NVP to the school.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 4 November 2022 10: 48
      0
      the "School of Young Defenders of the Motherland" was created ... the NVP must be returned to the school.

      NVP is not a panacea. It is ... not enough. Your school is a public association in the form of a club without registration of a legal entity. And, you received the appropriate training thanks to the classes in this School. By the way, probably under the auspices of DOSAAF.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 4 November 2022 11: 05
        +3
        No, not under the auspices of DOSAAF, but was organized with the proposal of the UVAKU command (at that time there was a company for patriotic education). DOSAAF sent me at the age of 17 to study at the "DOSAAF Naval School" under the program minder-light diver for service on torpedo boats. Below I wrote about the NVP at the school, which also gives primary skills in handling weapons and other necessary in the army.
        1. Deck
          Deck 4 November 2022 20: 13
          -1
          Why the hell is a normal person doing fire training and practical shooting, drill training? A man should get a good education to earn honest work. Not military training. Find something to be proud of
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 6 November 2022 14: 48
            +3
            Quote: Deck
            Why the hell is a normal person doing fire training and practical shooting, drill training? A man should get a good education to earn honest work. Not military training. Find something to be proud of
            In principle, those who abolished the NVP in schools and generally ruined the education system thought the same way. A man by nature is a fighter, warrior, earner, defender, and on this basis, he must have elementary skills in how to handle weapons, how to get and how to protect. And so, thanks to the orot, who saddled the power structures and the Ministry of Education in particular, we raised a generation of cranks with male sexual characteristics, who, at the first hint of the need to protect the Motherland, rushed abroad in herds of thousands, leaving their homes, mothers, wives and children. What if war comes to their house? The house will be ransacked, the mother will be killed, the wife will be raped, the child will be taken apart for organs. And where was their protector - son, husband and father? And he finds himself in a foreign country, "all well-educated and honestly working" to save his own skin. BABY! And on February 23, go and get gifts and congratulations from a loving family.
            1. Deck
              Deck 7 November 2022 06: 21
              -1
              What if war comes to their house?
              - So far, the war has come to someone else's house and it's not a damn thing to talk about it! Something successes in drill training did not affect the NWO in any way, probably it is necessary to go to the "psychic" like Kappel
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 7 November 2022 10: 27
                0
                Quote: Deck
                What if war comes to their house?
                - So far, the war has come to someone else's house and it's not a damn thing to talk about it! Something successes in drill training did not affect the NWO in any way, probably it is necessary to go to the "psychic" like Kappel

                It was not figs with mattresses in the gums to peel off. As practice shows, everyone who ends up with them gets war and devastation. So Ukraine has scraped together a war for itself. Europe is coming.
              2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 10 November 2022 20: 18
                +2
                The war has come where it has long been asked for!
            2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
              Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 10 November 2022 20: 22
              +1
              And they, from this, will not understand until they feel it on their personal hump! Their cynicism and super-practicality replaced them with all the other qualities of a normal person.
              There is a position - until they knock on my apartment with rifle butts, until they kick me on the head - everything is fine, it is not necessary to fight! These are the "gazelles" today that are rushing about the Kazakh steppes and Georgian mountains ...
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 10 November 2022 21: 43
                0
                Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                And they, from this, will not understand until they feel it on their personal hump! Their cynicism and super-practicality replaced them with all the other qualities of a normal person.
                There is a position - until they knock on my apartment with rifle butts, until they kick me on the head - everything is fine, it is not necessary to fight! These are the "gazelles" today that are rushing about the Kazakh steppes and Georgian mountains ...

                Sebastian Aristarkhovich agrees, there are goitered gazelles. Only now, when these gazelles begin to be dismantled for horns, skins and meat, they will require protection from "uneducated" rangers. yes
    2. Postcode
      Postcode 7 November 2022 13: 24
      -2
      That is, you want to say that everyone else had big problems with the drill, with the fire, etc.?)))) Return the NVP, because then everyone will go to study at the OVOKU or another VOKU?)))
    3. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 12: 50
      +2
      And here I agree, NVP is not only shooting games, but also training in survival and the area where you live, providing primary care and just training in community and communication in critical situations .. Which is not possible in a modern, narrowly smart society ... By the way, training shooting and dealing with weapons disciplines a person ... Own experience ..
  5. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 November 2022 08: 55
    +3
    Thanks to the Author for raising the topic. In the late 90s, I personally watched how the NVP system was being killed. He personally was one of the first to come across as a student with OBZh. A military instructor, a retired military man, taught by inertia what he was taught - how to stop a tank with a crowbar and how to hide from a nuclear explosion. The only thing, after trying to get us to the parade ground, he was almost eaten in the District. After that, he closed the doors. The following streams already received various training manuals “how does the plantain look like”, we were dragged to the forest for every second lesson. A similar situation was in the neighboring school,
    1. dementor873
      dementor873 5 November 2022 17: 58
      +1
      In 2003, we still had a dummy grenade and an ak, a separate room with an iron door, a year later the village of graduation came to school, the gun room became a room for inventory with all the consequences. There were 200 people from all over the region at the military training camp, the shooting day took place at the football stadium, 4 air guns were issued, paper targets hung at a distance of 10 meters, the number of bullets was limited, moreover, as far as I remember, there were 300 ordinary bullets in a plastic box.
  6. Cuckoo
    Cuckoo 4 November 2022 09: 11
    -3
    Fight for what? For the victory of capitalism? For this, a contract army or mercenaries should fight.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 4 November 2022 09: 48
      +3
      The most moronic excuse, but for whom and for what they fought under the tsars, and even for 25 years. For serfdom?
      People like you will not fight for anything, even for their family!
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 November 2022 16: 47
        +1
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        The most moronic excuse, but for whom and for what they fought under the tsars, and even for 25 years. For serfdom?

        Exactly. For serfdom. Or do you have a state and a ruling class with their own interests, they are somewhere out there in a parallel universe?
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 4 November 2022 09: 54
      -3
      Quote: Check
      Fight for what?

      For the motherland!

      They are fighting not for the social system, not for a political party, but for the Motherland!

      During the coexistence of Russian civilization, more than one social system and more than one political structure has changed. We had: princes, tsars, general secretaries and even presidents, but Rus' was, is and will be!

      ps
      The term of service in the army of conscripts must be increased to two years, in the Navy - up to three. It is necessary to return the framed units and reopen previously closed military universities.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 4 November 2022 14: 52
        +2
        Only the memories of those who served in cropped units are not blissful. Including about the officers.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 8 November 2022 12: 55
          +1
          Well, here it is necessary to change, reservist courses are not suckers.. Training, tests, exams. Passed, passed - returned home received a bonus and a salary at work, no, it means he was on vacation at his own expense .. I think that half of your three-month vacation at your own expense will not forgive you .. will take revenge with a frying pan ..
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      3. Cuckoo
        Cuckoo 4 November 2022 19: 14
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        For the motherland!

        Who trades the Nazis for godfather? Which can not decide in a year on the goals of this war? Either a nuclear-free Ukraine, then demilitarization and denazification, then a Ukraine without biological weapons, then again a nuclear-free Ukraine. IMHO went to the second round.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 8 November 2022 13: 01
          +2
          Vikusha, the discussion here is about the future development of shooting, your discourse is about the present development of the process, which many would like to see differently ...
          Remember, please, one thing: Power is changing, but the Motherland remains.. My homeland, like most of the forum participants, is the USSR. Why should I now hate other republics that were once part of the USSR?
        2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 10 November 2022 20: 26
          +1
          Do not confuse sour with fresh! Motherland and godfathers are not the same comparison. This is just as opposite as a strong family marriage and a one-time drunk fuck after a club ....
    3. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 4 November 2022 09: 55
      -1
      What an entertaining NIK-"Chekushka"! Yes, apparently, and half a mind, since I wrote such garbage ... hmm .. trouble
      1. Cuckoo
        Cuckoo 4 November 2022 19: 15
        +2
        And apart from how to find fault with the nickname, there is essentially nothing to object to, do you agree with the idea?
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 4 November 2022 19: 49
          -1
          And how, in essence, can you comment on nonsense ??
          1. Cuckoo
            Cuckoo 4 November 2022 21: 37
            +2
            You can not comment if there is nothing to say on the topic.
    4. cat-begemot
      cat-begemot 6 November 2022 18: 51
      +1
      If you don’t consider your life, family and homeland a worthy subject of protection, then I don’t see the point in your existence in principle, the point is to transfer and feed oxygen, because, sorry, nothing will come of you, except for feces
      1. Alex92
        Alex92 8 November 2022 02: 33
        -1
        You can defend your family life, and maybe even your homeland, without fire and any NVP, when you want and need it. Everyone will decide for himself. Here a person, as I understand it, does not want to participate in current events, this is his choice and everyone has the right to it
  7. ALARI
    ALARI 4 November 2022 11: 04
    0
    As long as the population does not have weapons en masse in their hands and which SAMO will train and maintain their shape when handling their weapons, all these momentary initiatives from the top will collapse. Why train if you can only have a weapon in a safe.
    1. Sergey250455
      Sergey250455 4 November 2022 12: 26
      +1
      I have a pistol. I would love to go to the shooting range even for money. But they are not allowed. Well, the son served their heat meters and agreed. I went twice, and then they started making excuses
    2. your1970
      your1970 5 November 2022 00: 07
      -2
      Quote: ALARI
      As long as the population does not have weapons en masse in their hands and who will train and maintain their form when handling their weapons,

      After that, you will forget about socialism even in theory - for the poorest bourgeois in the regional center will buy himself a machine gun ...
      well, the proletariat - there is always where to urgently spend money besides weapons and cartridges ...

      Z.s. in the USA, weapons are not stored in safes. It helped a lot - when did BLM rob them ???
      The white population turned out to be only capable of boasting - "And my trunk is too thick and longer ..."
      But in fact - she sawed off the fly, knelt down and urgently began to kiss the shoes ...
      Я naively thought -"400 million trunks for 350 million people.Right now they’ll shoot 200 thousand and calm down .. ""
      By the way, Misha "Two Barrels" immediately disappeared after BLM with his articles. As the grandmother whispered ....
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 5 November 2022 13: 10
        +1
        Blm is not an indicator, they were allowed to behave this way by the state government itself. They were organized and if you noticed they were strongly deployed only in democratic states, something I did not see them in the states of the so-called rust belt and even in conservative states. In addition, the BLM also had weapons, and where the forces are equal, the Kuklus Klan organization wins, as I understand it, is prohibited. As for socialism and weapons, only in the middle of 70 in the USSR they began to tighten the nuts on weapons, in 60 guns were sold freely. After the war, there were a lot of weapons on hand, both legal and not, and socialism survived nothing. The main thing is in the head, not a machine gun at home.
        1. your1970
          your1970 5 November 2022 15: 34
          -1
          Quote: ALARI
          As for socialism and weapons, only in the middle of 70 in the USSR they began to tighten the nuts on weapons, in 60 guns sold freely.

          GUN!!!!! They are still sold almost without restrictions, and they are not expensive.
          Quote: ALARI
          After the war, there were a lot of weapons on hand, both legal and not, and socialism survived nothing
          it’s just that at that moment - as well as later in the 1960s-1970s-1980s - there were people in power to whom the army was subordinate. As soon as the army ceased to obey, socialism collapsed immediately.
          This same army with new leaders - silently shot the White House and did not cringe.




          Quote: ALARI
          After the war, there were a lot of weapons on hand, both legal and not.
          - legal there were quite a few weapons - owners illegal fired pretty fast...
          1. Alex92
            Alex92 8 November 2022 02: 37
            -1
            Throwing weapons, by the way, are generally quite allowed. There is a limit on the tension force of the bowstring or shoulder of the crossbow, but who will check it out there, but no one knows ...) And if you need to, you can easily do things with a crossbow. I have it myself, in the summer I go to shoot in the forest, a great thing, and silent)
      2. NAP
        NAP 6 November 2022 16: 22
        0
        You are naive thinking even now. It was those who took civilian weapons from civilians and began to defend their districts, shops and houses from marauders who were able to stop the BLM rioters.
        1. your1970
          your1970 6 November 2022 17: 03
          -2
          Quote from N.A.P.
          You are naive thinking even now. It was those who took civilian weapons from civilians and began to defend their districts, shops and houses from marauders who were able to stop the BLM rioters.

          miraculously a husband and wife were saved from the court who tried to protect their estate with the threat of a rifle and a pistol ...
          videos of how shops and trucks were robbed - wagons, and how someone defended his house with weapons - a few ....
  8. lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 November 2022 11: 10
    +2
    Shooting training of the population for the defense of the country


    this should be in last place, and in the first place should be the creation of a professional army (about 3 million) and providing it with all the most modern from modern uniforms to modern weapons + creating, training and maintaining an army reserve in constant combat readiness (600-800 thousand) .And while this is not the case, it is premature to think about the shooting training of the population, and frankly stupid.
    We still continue to look and look for solutions in the past in the issue of protecting the country, for some reason we constantly forget that we are and live in the future. Therefore, training, the method of manning and armament must be modern and is based on the modern type of wars where the same war is fought between professional armies with massive use of PMCs.
    1. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 4 November 2022 19: 43
      +1
      How long was our army there before mobilization, more precisely at the beginning of the NWO? 1 million? Well, do you propose pulling another 2 million workers out of the economy and doubling the defense budget? And the economy will pull it??
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 5 November 2022 07: 25
        +2
        Quote: Not the fighter
        Well, do you propose pulling another 2 million workers out of the economy and doubling the defense budget?


        even the army, even the civilian economy, needs professional personnel. Russia can well afford to "pull out of the economy", namely, from the civilian economy, to create a professional army, 2 million people.
        But what neither the Russian economy nor the security of the state really can afford is the maintenance of an unprofessional, non-combat-ready army, where, in case of any attack by the enemy, it is necessary to announce mobilization and prepare the mobilized for months in order to badly / poorly, on the principle of "takeoff / landing" throw them at the enemy.
        And then to receive hundreds and thousands of coffins of mobilized professional workers, machine operators, agronomists, veterinarians, feldshers, and at the same time be surprised that the yields of wheat and livestock livestock have fallen.
        It is better to invest in creating, training, maintaining a professional army of 3 million than trying to fashion an army from civilians with dubious physical fitness and superficial military skills after passing urgent.
        Everything should be extremely simple, where every citizen of the country should improve, improve his level of skills and knowledge exclusively in his profession before retirement. as well as in economic development.
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      3. Alex92
        Alex92 8 November 2022 02: 39
        0
        Reducing the security forces by 2 million and replacing them with contract soldiers will easily pull)
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 13: 06
      0
      What kind of GDP is needed to maintain such an army ...?
  9. Raccoon Raccoon
    Raccoon Raccoon 4 November 2022 11: 39
    +5
    I remember, I remember ... both the NVP and the military instructor with a shot through the knee (WWII veteran). And how from TOZ they bang in the basement of the school. I remember both the university and my second place in shooting. It turned out that the collimator sight is a very useful thing! And in the army I faced a certain paradox. Fate, in the person of the military registration and enlistment office, threw me into one of the units of the Strategic Missile Forces as a squad leader (after "training"). It turned out to be especially lucky to serve in one of the regulated regiments, which was undergoing rearmament. In other words, a mess, confusion, a regimental commander with a face always red with anger ... So, every week, regardless of the weather and season, we were driven to the training center in full "minced meat" and with a couple of heavy boxes. Sometimes on the run, if the regiment commander once again received the Central Command from the divisional commander at the headquarters of the division. Sometimes in a gas mask. Everyone cursed these days! And until you complete the exercise at least for "oud" - hell, you will go to the location! Some demobilized people were especially lucky. During the day they are handed travel documents to their homeland, and on the night before departure, the "Tangage" team - and you are welcome to shoot goodbye! So that's what I'm talking about ... motorized rifles were deployed nearby. Once in the service I crossed paths with one of them, they got loose ... So, they went out well for shooting if once a month! The rest of the time - eternal PCB and other household chores, not connected with combat training in any way. Here is such a paradox.
    1. Sergey250455
      Sergey250455 4 November 2022 12: 29
      +3
      He served urgently in the Strategic Missile Forces in 76-78. They fired every week before entering the database. Served at the power plant DES-1600
      1. Raccoon Raccoon
        Raccoon Raccoon 5 November 2022 13: 17
        +1
        DMB-89, number 12. I wish you well. The text is short but meaningful.
    2. ammunition
      ammunition 4 November 2022 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: Poloskun raccoon
      motorized rifles were stationed nearby. Once in the service I crossed paths with one of them, they got loose ... So, they went out well for shooting if once a month! The rest of the time - the eternal PCB and other household chores, not connected with combat training in any way. Here is such a paradox.

      Indeed a paradox. We have (motorized riflemen), per month (during the training period .. of course) .. somewhere up to 15 firing per month came out .. except for the BSV, BSO. It happened more than once - Daytime shooting in the morning, and after dinner .. on the same day we go to night shooting. laughing
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 4 November 2022 19: 53
        +1
        What period did you serve? If so often, then it’s good, before being sent to Chesnya, I only shot a little bit, and before that I kept the machine on oath and fired 9 rounds at the shooting range three times, in my opinion, I don’t remember
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 5 November 2022 21: 49
          0
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          What period did you serve?

          1984 - 1986 smile
      2. Raccoon Raccoon
        Raccoon Raccoon 5 November 2022 13: 18
        +2
        Perhaps I got the "wrong" motorized rifle. And there was a construction battalion nearby. These were feared even in NATO. Yes, and we tried not to cross paths.
  10. Sadok
    Sadok 4 November 2022 11: 48
    +2
    at a price of 3 kopecks per bullet!

    uh, bastards. we gave 2 each in the BSSR =) but my uncle was a military instructor and I had unlimited barrels and bullets))

    you're right. you even walk through the forest - along the cones, along the branches (not at the animals!) And somehow, over time, you don’t even need to aim. threw - tyts! - hit
  11. bk0010
    bk0010 4 November 2022 11: 49
    +4
    and we that, in principle, were not going to fight at all?
    Yes. Moreover, the newspapers wrote that the NVP was preparing bandits or terrorists. The author was especially burned by the section "Actions of a platoon in the offensive." I even became proud of how prepared and dangerous I turned out to be. The newspaper was paper (then there were no others), so I won’t give a link.
  12. KSVK
    KSVK 4 November 2022 11: 51
    +5
    Yes, in large cities there are paid (paid!) Shooting ranges, polygons.


    What are you talking about, author?
    In Moscow, IN MOSCOW!!! TWO!!! available shooting range up to 300 meters. Two more!!! up to 100 m. This is for the whole of MOSCOW. The price of visiting is 2000-3000 ₽ per hour. Well, plus now there is Patriot Park, where they recently opened the ONLY available shooting range up to 2000m. The price of visiting is 3000₽ per hour. From which shooting 40 minutes. What kind of self-training are you talking about?
    Our government ABSOLUTELY does not need a population that knows how to shoot. It is dangerous for the authorities. And she, this power, is struggling with it.

    Threat And you can fight for your homeland. And it is necessary. But can you tell me, ladies and gentlemen, patriots, who attacked our Motherland then? No, can you tell me?
    1. boni592807
      boni592807 4 November 2022 21: 17
      +1
      KSVK (Oleg). Today, 11:51. NEW - "...Nplus now there is Patriot Park, where they recently opened the ONLY available shooting range up to 2000m. The price of visiting is 3000₽ per hour. From which shooting 40 minutes. What kind of training are you talking about?..."

      In ourshooting galleries with copies of our modern AKMs have already appeared for a long time. Trailer or place in the shopping center It seems beautiful and the desire to hold and shoot. As in childhood from the air. But. "delighted" the approach of the "support" of the Russian Federation (businessmen) who saddled the topic. By the method of primitive calculations (translation) of the current "crayfish" but for 5 rubles. with an outfit but in the past. but for 3 ri rubles request . Understood. that in early childhood, "saved" 15 kopecks. which gave exciting happiness to shoot with a friend almost 4 times. each (2 kopeck bullet) was) would not be achievable. No. The question would be at least about Soviet rubles bully . Passing by such "attractions" I observe "silence" and "complete" calmness in them. 1-2 people flash by and the employee of the "shooting range" again gossips on the mobile.
      R.S.. Your question is very relevant - The price of a visit .... and the "number of services" even for a "family vacation" is "ridiculous" bully And it is remembered. that "business is allowed" when selling products, a markup of 40%. but in reality it can be from 100% ... Not to mention the quality and USEFULNESS of the product. sad
      Reminds me of the jokes of the 90s. when it was proposed to install a box for payment of entry and exit at the entrance of the checkpoint to the unit. with a delay of salaries of 3-6 months. bully
      hi
    2. Eule
      Eule 4 November 2022 21: 53
      0
      Quote: KSVK
      the authorities ABSOLUTELY do not need a population who knows how to shoot. It is dangerous for the authorities.

      It’s just that officials don’t understand that with a shortage of small arms on hand, home-made WMD will go into action, just a little later. And even weapons based on new physical principles. Historical patterns, or rather the laws of nature, cannot be deceived.
    3. your1970
      your1970 5 November 2022 00: 32
      0
      Quote: KSVK
      Our government ABSOLUTELY does not need a population that knows how to shoot. It is dangerous for the authorities. And she, this power, is struggling with it.

      Therefore, the entire history of the USSR seized pistols and rifled?
      Therefore, in PEOPLE'S The USSR division named after Dzerzhinsky was stationed in Moscow. Tank and combined arms still here and there, you can come up with excuses they say to protect against NATO in the Moscow region, but ODON ...
      Afraid of leaving the USSR people in Moscow?
  13. Romanenko
    Romanenko 4 November 2022 11: 53
    +2
    To own and handle firearms, no matter what anyone says, must be taught from childhood. A firearm is an objective reality, like water, air, snow and rain, to fence oneself off from it means incurring a lot of troubles associated with misunderstanding, accidents, and so on up to school shooting and other distortions of modernity.
    Introducing some kind of "draconian" restrictions on the purchase of firearms is a waste of time. All "attacks" by the state and law enforcement agencies bend only law-abiding citizens, bandits and terrorists do not care about all this, they always had, have and will have weapons, and the tougher the bans, the more free they feel, understanding that the population with the ability to respond their actions are tied hand and foot, and even do not know how to handle weapons.
    Weapons must be taught from childhood, this, if you start doing this seriously, will take at least a couple of decades, since it is necessary to educate at least two generations of people who adequately relate to weapons in order to ensure the transfer of the basics of a culture of treatment from older to younger, without resorting to, at the initial stage, to state teachers.
    But it is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED!
    In addition to educating people, it is necessary, of course, to work on legislation and, without fail, expand the network of accessible (not only by location, but also by cost) places where you can learn how to handle weapons, starting with the simplest options and up to serious rifled firearms.
  14. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 November 2022 12: 39
    +5
    Here ! Here the Author hooked on the main problem. We live in a hostile environment, but at the same time we have a very low weapon culture among the population, and the state seems to not care about it. At the private level, yes, there are some shooting ranges (with very undemocratic prices), but at the state level there is no support for development in principle - the state is NOT INTERESTED in having its mobile contingent ready.
    You can talk about the reasons for a long time - this is the desire to save money, and the fear of mass legalization, and domestic political considerations and a bet on the development of a contract army. Here the fact is important - at the organizational level, while still supporting the heritage of the USSR by conscription, the logic of this approach is significantly violated by the facts that the author speaks of. The fact that these "conscripts" are mostly raw material without skill and motivation.
    Will anything be changed in this direction in the foreseeable future? I don't think. Because the domestic political situation will push the authorities to tighten the screws on the direction of possession and storage of weapons, economically our state will have less free money than before (and mass stimulation of self-training is very costly).
    A competent solution to the issue is expensive and "dumb". We still look at the conscript not as a capable combat unit, but as a forced force, which is instilled with humility and the rules of the game in the system. So some "stuffing" about the return of 2 years of service does not surprise me at all within the framework of our traditional paradigm of thinking "more fear and coercion and everything will work out."
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 13: 16
      +1
      The simplest thing is to ban something that could be agreed upon with the involvement of all parties, their opinions and discussions ..
  15. hhurik
    hhurik 4 November 2022 14: 07
    -1
    Oddly enough, in recent history it was in the 90s that the population had legal access to civilian weapons, under the communists everything was difficult. I bought my first rifled carbine according to the well-known Decree of prezik Yeltsin on allowing the sale of weapons from the GRAU warehouses to military personnel and persons equated to them, in the year 1993. I remember that everyone was waiting for permission to buy and sell pistols and other short-barreled pistols to the electorate, but something didn’t grew together, limited themselves to chewing gum. Further, by inertia, for some time the loot defeated evil: they allowed, for example, carbines chambered for a pistol cartridge. But of course, the window of opportunity has slammed shut - in recent years and even months, the nuts have been tightened more and more. To the applause of the people.
    And I would not blame the authorities: now it is easier for anyone to buy a bullet than to get a driver's license. Many applicants? Only the active part of the population in the form of a group of military men, managers, part of the merchants and a handful of natives in remote wilderness areas. The rest have a generally negative attitude towards weapons, and towards armed neighbors as dangerous eccentrics. Such is the selyavi and trends.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 November 2022 17: 02
      -1
      Quote: hhurik
      The rest have a generally negative attitude towards weapons, and towards armed neighbors as dangerous eccentrics.

      And is it only with us, or maybe we should accept as a fact that certain things in our life are the result of the need for them? Well, why does a person need weapons in everyday life? There is no longer any need to hunt for food. The danger of an attack by neighbors was largely offset by the bipolar and then unipolar world and the presence of nuclear weapons. Well, what for, in this case, in the mass people need it? This is money, a hassle that does not pay off in any way with registration and storage. So all these moans about what kind of people we have are insufficient militarists, they are in favor of stupid people who do not understand how it all works.
      1. hhurik
        hhurik 4 November 2022 17: 26
        -1
        Then what is the groan about above? wink
        Allegedly, the state SHOULD something to someone in terms of the topic under discussion. Still, it's sunny - no one in the mass needs a weapon and everything connected with it. Cross out. drinks
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 13: 22
      0
      Everything is as usual, any government is trying to tighten the screws in case of excesses in the use of firearms.. In any country in the world... Who buys weapons? Hunters, arrows and lovers of shooting... And so it is necessary to develop hunting. In the US, about 50 calibers are used for hunting. And in the Russian Federation? 2?3? And then the chilled army ....
      1. hhurik
        hhurik 8 November 2022 13: 45
        0
        Hmm ... mixed porridge, honey, shit and bees wink I'm embarrassed to say: everything is in order with calibers in the Russian Federation, you can buy whatever you want - the question is the amount of money. Personally, I'm not at all military.
        Cooled weapons are different. Do not hunt with him.
        You would like to read a primer. On the topic of weapons legislation in the current time period.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 8 November 2022 14: 02
          0
          About bees: what caliber is used for hunting - Russian? .308?
          About crap: blank cartridges: weakened, with less weight of gunpowder, low-quality bullet, etc.
          About honey: you can buy any device for money, but there is no production of your own calibers ... 5,6x39, 7,62x39, 7,62x54R and that's it ... everything else is foreign ..
          In your photo, both samples are not hunting, since the caliber and / or barrel length do not meet the requirements for hunting safety ...
          1. hhurik
            hhurik 8 November 2022 14: 18
            0
            Yasnenko drinks

    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 10 November 2022 13: 25
      +1
      Under the communists, until 1969, smooth-bore hunting weapons and ammunition were sold freely in stores. Shotgun IZH-18 16 caliber cost 15 rubles. After 1969, guns and ammunition began to be sold on a hunting license, you go to the hunters' society, pay a fee of 15 rubles, and go to the store for a gun, without any information. In the early 80s, they began to clamp down, introduced storage requirements, chased certificates from the police department and a psychiatrist that you were not a criminal or a psycho.
  16. Sedoy
    Sedoy 4 November 2022 18: 28
    +9
    and we that, in principle, were not going to fight at all?

    Of course not...
    they all suddenly became friends and partners ...
    read the doctrine of Gerasimov - everything is there ...
    no global wars, especially with natu ...
    did you follow the exercises of the army?
    there is no enemy of the "blue" (natu), as it always was - there is an enemy "terrorists" ...
    which means that the "army" is carrying out a police operation, such as its own ...
    and when they hit the cabbage soup, they came to their senses, and the NVP, and 2 years ... but it’s too late already and there’s no point ...
    because the Kremlin is not going to win
    - You can't win when the oligarchs give orders to the generals: we fight here, we don't fight here, but here they wrapped the fish.
    - You can't win by dreaming of negotiations, not of victory. And even more so if victory is not declared as a goal at all.
    - you can not win while supplying the enemy with oil, gas, currency.
    - cannot be won without destroying Western weapons delivery routes and critical infrastructure.
    - one cannot win without moving the fifth column of liberals from power in education, culture, finance, economics, etc.
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 14: 06
      +2
      You cannot defeat the enemy if you agree with him in everything.
      You cannot defeat the enemy if your own country is not a priority for development and prosperity.
  17. faterdom
    faterdom 4 November 2022 18: 31
    +3
    And there is another factor. What were your favorite toys as a child? I remember their color-size-TTX ...
    Metal TT with a band of caps. Nagant for round caps. PPSh submachine gun with a "rumbler" in the drum. Helicopter from "Children's World" in Moscow, flying (thing!). Machine gun "Maxim", green, quite large, with wheels and a shield, with him I was a welcome fighter, even for the Reds, even for the Whites. Then, a battery-powered machine, such as MP-40 or PPS, with a light bulb and a ratchet motor. Water "Parabellum". A battery-powered tank that rode back and forth and farted with a red light in the barrel. Yes, I forgot, bow and arrows with suction cups.
    And all this was mastered by one child up to about 10 years old, then on their own ... Shotguns (pugachs), slingshots, crossbows on bobbins, something like a spear (in my opinion from a set of RKhBR flags), home-made rockets on carbide, gunpowder and magnesium with saltpeter ... Boys have 16-gauge guns. Shooting in a school shooting range with TOZ-8, participation in interschool competitions, NVP, military training camps for pre-conscripts for two weeks between 9th and 10th grades with real shooting from AKM 7,62 - three rounds! And digging a trench for prone shooting, from a prone position with the help of MSL according to the standard (22 minutes for "excellent").
    Standard Soviet childhood of a kid in the 70s.
    But lately, it means it’s not moral to sell toy weapons, or morally, if it’s American-style, NVP is allowed to use plantain and burdock (how did we master it on our own before?), There is no ideology, the military and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are the object of reduction and humiliation from the authorities...
    So, "Kuzmichi" is the last generation, who was at least still born in the USSR, and therefore they are like that, but further - "qualified consumer". Who wasn't warned in this food chain that he wasn't at the top. And they will consume it, a little fat.
    1. Eule
      Eule 4 November 2022 22: 05
      -1
      I learned to shoot at the age of 11, my grandfather took me to a shooting range, shot only standing from an air gun but at 25 meters instead of the prescribed 10, then from a Margolin pistol. It was simply forbidden to shoot lying down until he learned to hit while standing. The WWII front-line soldiers apparently knew a lot about shooting training. Then there was a back injury, and he only fulfilled the CCM standard in 2004, in 2006 he took 7th place in the Czech Republic in the match pistol, reaching the final.
      And about childhood ... yes, today's children do not know how to make a fake solid propellant rocket engine with gunpowder instead of standard fuel, in order to win the competition in raising rockets in height. (only factory engines were allowed at the competitions) Last year, we specially drove past the rocket modeling club, which I went to as a child - the building is still intact, but the doors and windows are closed with dirty rusty pieces of iron.
      About "safety" - I remember how they envied the girl who was molested by a pervert, and she doused him with 90 percent peroxide. And they regretted that our company didn’t get it - we each had a dispersion of sodium in kerosene in our portfolio, and we never tested it on a real live target.
      My "masterpiece of childhood" was a copy of the "panzerknakke" with an electric start of 45-mm firework rockets, a sliding nozzle and a sleeve mount, according to a picture from some book. The store, however, was not like a real one, but a sector one for five missiles, in the form of a half-cylinder around the arm.
      Quote: hhurik
      Oddly enough, in recent history, it was in the 90s that the population had legal access to civilian weapons, under the communists everything was difficult

      Not certainly in that way. Until 1964, a lot of people relied on pistols. Machinists, geologists, topographers, tax collectors, everyone working with secret maps in the field, leading defense engineers with SS and OGV permits (now the first and 1a), collective farm accountants, jewelry teachers and miners foremen ... probably someone else , I just do not know. Moreover, they did not ask for a return issued upon retirement.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 19 November 2022 12: 08
        0
        That's right, I worked as a geologist from 1975 until 2016, I constantly used classified materials marked "secret" and "top secret" and I had a permit to carry weapons. A revolver of the revolver system with a box of cartridges was always in my safe at work. I took it with me when traveling in the field and when accompanied by a cashier to the bank for a paycheck for the organization. I never had to use it in practice, but I went to the shooting range all the time. When I retired, it turned out that after numerous reorganizations, the revolver was not listed on me and no one needed it, I had barely got rid of it.
  18. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 4 November 2022 19: 36
    0
    The basic knowledge that needs to be given in shooting training is TB. To avoid shooting yourself or those around you.
    1. solar
      solar 4 November 2022 21: 15
      0
      in the photo, the index finger lies correctly only in one girl
  19. Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 November 2022 00: 06
    +2
    IMHO, perhaps the authorities are simply afraid to acquaint the population with weapons.

    Remember how much there was talk about the Russian world, about the Russian spring, about volunteers, and how quickly it all turned off, pressed the leftist movements of democracy, the Cossacks-populists, expelled the militias from the leadership, from the media - reports about heroes and police commanders, about life in the LDNR, and made a standard bunch: EDRO, officials, oligarchs ....
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 8 November 2022 13: 28
      -1
      We live in a multinational country and where the Russian world is simply not possible. There is Russia - the Motherland of all these nationalities, so it is necessary to make this country attractive to everyone, due to the wealth that it has .. And the oligarchs, as a layer, building yachts at Frigate prices are simply not needed for this ..
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 10 November 2022 13: 13
        +1
        We live in Russia, a mono-ethnic multi-ethnic country, where 85% of the population is a state-forming nation, and 15% are more than 100 small ethnic groups.
        It was the USSR that was multinational, Russians were 65% of the population, according to international standards, this is also sometimes referred to as mono-ethnic states, if the number of other ethnic groups is many times smaller.
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 10 November 2022 16: 53
          -1
          And how many of these 85% are Russian in 10 generations.. Speaking Russian is not being Russian.. By the way, where did you get such numbers from?
  20. Parvis rasulov
    Parvis rasulov 5 November 2022 04: 33
    +1
    The first time I shot from AKM at the age of 15, when in 1985 DOSAF began recruiting for pilots on the Yak 52 and paratroopers for Aeroclubs from the age of 15, before that, recruitment went from 16 years old, we were all taken to the shooting range for the first recruitment after the briefing they gave everyone to make three single and ten rounds in bursts. Finally, I think that recruitment at the age of 15 in DOSAFs began precisely because of the war in the DRA (Afghanistan), since in radio operators, a driver and a radar operator, as well as mountaineering all-around, shooting all-around, parachute all-around, it was from 15-1984 that en masse began recruiting from 1985 -14 years old and before that, these sports were recruited from the age of 15
  21. Private SA
    Private SA 5 November 2022 05: 11
    0
    Paternal badge "Voroshilovsky shooter" and a shot from an IZH-38 air gun in a shooting range
    in every park in the city we remember. And a TOZ-8 rifle in the institute's shooting range.
    An incident happened there, with the first shot he shot down a paper target from a shield, into a paper clip
    clerical, fastening it to a plywood shield when it has fallen. The trunk is lifted up.
    And in general, I didn’t knock out better than 23 out of 30 at the shooting range in the Soviet Army from the AK-74.
    Points at minus 3 interfered ...
  22. iouris
    iouris 5 November 2022 11: 38
    0
    Too late to drink Borjomi. We must be ready to use "Yars", "Maces", and other "Sarmatians".
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 10 November 2022 13: 05
      0
      Yarsy cannot be used against bandits, robbers and terrorists, they must be hit with bullets at a line-of-sight distance.
  23. Raccoon Raccoon
    Raccoon Raccoon 5 November 2022 13: 44
    +2
    And I also “liked” the innovations from the Russian Guard or whoever regulates the circulation of civilian weapons there now ... I confess, I myself fell in love with the flash, but, as they say, there’s something you can’t understand there and can’t measure with a common yardstick. He spent almost thirty years practically in an embrace with the PM and AKSU (PM for each duty, AKSU in case of reinforcement or some other nix). In old age, it hit the cerebellum to acquire a smoothbore while the money was flowing. Moreover, two years ago my wife also received an impulse to the interaural ganglion from someone, quickly filled out documents and acquired an expensive and awesomely beautiful Vepr 12x76. Why am I worse? - I thought. In the meantime, I chewed snot and got papers, something creaked in the legislation in an unnecessary direction. And so I come to the store with the goal of being no worse than my wife, and to me: figs to you, veteran! In connection with the law, you are now a green "first mover", here is a "break" from "Baikal", and you will come to lick your lips at all sorts of store and "pump" barrels in two years. And no one cares about your weapon handling skills, rookie! And if you had come a month ago, you would have sold with great pleasure ... Then the wife almost burst with laughter.
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 November 2022 15: 17
      +1
      They're afraid of you, veteran. They probably have a reason.
  24. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 November 2022 14: 47
    -1
    Damn, what the hell is shooting? To nothing. A person can either shoot normally or not. For the second, you need to shoot thousands of rounds a week for training in order to fill your hand. Who will pay for this, and most importantly, why all this?
  25. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 5 November 2022 15: 27
    +1
    Quote from Bingo
    A psychiatrist who issues a certificate of weapons or rights sees a clown for 15 minutes at most. He won't give him anything.

    No need to defame the good name of psychiatrists (at least in Moscow).
    A couple of months ago, I renewed the permit for Oh.weapons.
    He was examined by a psychiatrist and psychologist, passed tests (competent).
    The psychologist noticed a slight distraction.
    And I worked 20 hours the day before (how else to survive in Moscow).
    In general, now everything has changed. It is a pity that so many people "died" for this.
    Hopefully, over time, the checks will not be weakened.
    Thanks to the impressive drug traffic from Central Asia (thanks to the migrants), there are many drug addicts among the youth.
    When applying for a job (civil service), after passing tests for drugs, at least 45% of applicants are weeded out.
    And that's just drug addicts.
  26. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 7 November 2022 09: 56
    +1
    Shooting skills are only one aspect of military training. Given the totality of the problems that are now evident, it is necessary to radically change the approach to military training in the country as a whole. And, a return to basic military training in school is becoming more urgent than ever. In Soviet times, NVP was taught in grades 9-10. The subject teacher is usually a reserve officer. The program included, in addition to shooting training, drill, general military regulations, tactical and
    topographic preparation, medical assistance and civil defense. Participation in "Zarnitsy". For boys after the 9th grade, a nine-day training camp in a specially built tent camp on the territory of a military training ground. We had two 9th graders at school. Of these, a platoon was formed for nine days. All the schools of the city were located in the camp (and he was then a millionaire). The curators of each platoon were cadets of the 3rd year of the military school. They worked a lot in the field, practiced offensive and defensive actions as part of a squad and a platoon, dug trenches for prone and kneeling shooting, threw hand grenades (300 and 600 gr models), fired from AKM. The military instructor was with us. He was a veteran of the Second World War, he got to the front as a 19-year-old lieutenant in 1942. There was a weapon in the office of the NVP. There were air rifles, small-caliber TOZ-8 and TOZ-12, training weapons: AK-47, SKS, PPSh, DP machine gun, training hand grenades RG-42, RGD-5, F-1. We knew how to handle weapons, we often assembled and disassembled them. The school had a 50-meter shooting range. Many graduates of the school went to military schools. In the office of the NVP there was a stand with photographs of school graduates in cadet uniforms. I entered the naval school. In the first month before the oath, we took a "course of a young fighter" in a school camp. It was easy for me, because I knew all this and could do it from school. Conclusion: a professional army is good, but there must be a system of general military training, which is the basis of the state's security. Now our army has become just a place of work, and not a service to our country. And the world around us is very far from being a pacifist. The "puppy delight" of universal peace and brotherhood in the 90s already passed, considering that we are friends with the West forever.
  27. Postcode
    Postcode 7 November 2022 13: 43
    -1
    All those meticulously insisting on the revival of the NWP will never be able to explain why everyone needs it? The dumbest thing is how to work out the norms No. 13 and 14 until you turn blue .... well, I have never taken it apart "under a hail of bullets", in case of any delay in firing, you do the maximum reloading, that's all ... if something jammed there , throw him away to hell and look for the dead, wounded ... being a platoon commander, he has already finished dealing with this nonsense with the soldiers.
    No NVP can even come close to preparing a fighter. Another thing is that there are a sufficient number of boys who like it, who love it. We need to create conditions for them, different cadet classes, electives, military clubs ... teachers there need to be paid normal money so that military pensioners, veterans of the database, the disabled can get a job there, those who could tell the guys are interesting, light them up this matter. And there, in the classroom, it is really to lay the foundation, but only for those who are interested in not serving a number, but studying with interest, and there is more sense.
  28. acetophenone
    acetophenone 7 November 2022 21: 54
    +1
    Quote: paul3390
    And do not blame everything on the type of mentality - this is simply the result of the correct organization of the issue.

    What does it mean - do not blame the mentality? And what to blame? Should the state and its minions blame themselves on themselves? And here's the fig! It is we who are wild, we cannot be without a muzzle, but a collar with a short leash is impossible, but they are not!
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 10 November 2022 12: 58
    +1
    In 1960-1970 I studied at school, in the village in each house there were 1-2 guns, smooth-bore and rifled, there was no abuse of weapons.
    I started shooting at the age of 10 with a small-caliber rifle, and at the age of 14 my father gave me his old 20-gauge gun. There were no weapons and a shooting range at school, and we were not taught to shoot.
    At the university in 1971, I passed the TRP standards from the AK-47 at 200 m, knocked out 42 out of 50. In my opinion, all citizens of Russia, regardless of gender, should be able to shoot. And it is desirable to simplify the acquisition of weapons and ammunition so that law-abiding citizens have the opportunity to defend themselves ..