"Aircraft projectile" of the XXI century

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"Aircraft projectile" of the XXI century

This element of transport infrastructure was important. Exceptionally important for this strange war, when the opponents simultaneously killed each other's soldiers and did not negotiate for peace, but did not completely stop trade relations. It was along it that the help of the countries of the West went to the east, allowing the killing of Russian soldiers and civilians yesterday of “their own”, but suddenly becoming “foreign” cities.

The railway bridge across one of the largest rivers was built back in Soviet times, its design was partially resistant even to the use of nuclear weapons. weapons, and it was extremely difficult to inflict serious damage on him with Caliber or Iskander. Therefore, when the drone of flying cruise missiles and the characteristic rattling of Geraniums were heard in the middle of the night, the attendants were not particularly alarmed - not for the first time.



Man-portable air defense system operators deployed their bulky weapons in the hope of detecting and destroying the Russian cruise missile – it is possible that their target was not the bridge, but a slightly distant city with military training bases, repair plants and ammunition depots. Several rockets actually flew past, and smoky tails of ammunition fired from MANPADS rushed in their direction.

The operators of the only nearby anti-aircraft missile system with a radar station for detecting targets recklessly fired at targets that were unexpectedly well visible on the radar screen. After the ammunition was exhausted, new missiles began to be installed on the launchers of the air defense system.

At that moment, a low rumble was heard, similar to that emitted by large transport aircraft. It did not last long - quite low above the ground, at a height of no more than a few hundred meters, a huge silhouette, almost invisible against the background of the night sky, swept by. In the head of the calculation of the air defense system, for a second, the thought flashed: “have we shot down a Russian transport aircraft or a bomber”?

At the same second, an unknown object rapidly crashed into the railway bridge - a powerful explosion was heard, significantly exceeding in strength any of those that had ever seen or heard the calculation of the air defense system and the maintenance personnel of the bridge. The huge railway bridge practically disappeared in the flash of the explosion, the remaining metal structures and reinforced concrete supports of the bridge crumbled into the water before our eyes. However, only those who were a few hundred meters from the bridge managed to see this, most of those who were closer either died from the shock wave and shrapnel, or received serious injuries and contusions.

The railway bridge itself actually ceased to exist and was not subject to restoration.


At the very beginning of the 90s, while still a schoolboy, the author was visiting friends of his parents at the dacha. The dacha in question was located right on the edge of a field belonging to a nearby military airfield. At the edge of the field was a transport plane, or rather what was left of it.


Now it is difficult to say exactly what kind of model it was, but, according to memoirs, it was very reminiscent of the An-12, maybe the dimensions were smaller? Image by wikipedia.org

According to the owners of the dacha, almost before the collapse of the USSR, this plane landed at the airfield, rolled out on its own to the edge of the field, after which the crew drained the fuel from it, removed some instruments and retired “into the sunset”.

In the shortest possible time, the plane lost its windows broken by the children, as well as all those parts and accessories that could be useful to a zealous Soviet summer resident. After a certain period of time, points for receiving non-ferrous metals began to open throughout the country, after which the remains of the aircraft were sawn up and disappeared within a few days - there was nothing left at all. The remnants of other planes and helicopters, which earlier in the Soviet period were lying in abundance near the airfield, also disappeared almost instantly.

Even then, despite his young age, the author was struck by blatant mismanagement - the winged machine was not sent for conservation, although it was clearly in good condition at the time of decommissioning, it was not withdrawn from the armed forces and sold on the civilian market or to foreign countries (rather In total, there were no mechanisms for such implementation), was not dismantled and disposed of with a reasonable cost recovery in favor of the armed forces.

Unfortunately, the situation is typical for our country.

Unclaimed resources


And what are the prospects for winged vehicles after the end of their service life?

Putting into conservation? Yes, this is an extremely important element in maintaining the combat capability of the armed forces, especially in wartime conditions - the conduct of a special military operation in Ukraine, where they run around the fields Tanks T-62 from storage depots showed this to the fullest. However, storage aviation technology is an order of magnitude more complicated than ground technology - in the USA this process is organized very competently, but they have a hot and dry desert climate on their side. Everything is more complicated here - the Russian climate, with its humidity and temperature changes, is much less convenient for storing such complex and capricious military equipment as airplanes and helicopters.

Nevertheless, despite all the difficulties, putting aviation equipment into conservation is the most important state task. By the way, judging by the reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Ukrainian aviation should have already “ended” several months ago, however, information is periodically received about more and more downed aircraft and helicopters of the armed forces of Ukraine. And the point here is not only in the supply of aircraft from the former Soviet bloc countries, but also in the restoration of damaged equipment and equipment from storage bases, most likely also restored with the help of spare parts supplied by Western accomplices of the Ukrainian regime.

What other options are there? Selling to third world countries?

It is quite a possible scenario, but this market should be very compact due to the limited financial resources of third world countries, and also very competitive due to the many people who want to get rid of old aircraft. Richer countries will not buy junk, and they will not be able to operate it because of the strict regulatory restrictions governing aviation.

For completely inoperable samples, there is only one way - disassembly and disposal. Obviously, this cannot be avoided, one way or another, but a significant part of the aircraft and helicopters at some point in their service will go under the knife anyway.

However, there is and always will be a certain number of aircraft models that theoretically can still fly, but in fact any flight can become a one-way flight for them. And it is for this layer of aviation technology that it is quite possible to find an effective scope.

We are talking about turning them into weapons - "aircraft-projectile".

History and examples of the implementation of weapons such as "aircraft projectile"


Weapons of the “aircraft-projectile” type owe their appearance to the Second World War, which maximally contributed to the emergence of the latest means of destroying their own kind.

The most famous "aircraft projectile" is the V-1 cruise missile, developed by Nazi Germany in 1944 and produced almost until the very end of World War II. With a flight range of up to 250–400 km, a flight speed of up to 800 km/h, and a warhead weighing 700–1 kg (depending on modification), the V-000 was one of the few weapons that allowed Germany to strike at Great Britain.


"Aircraft projectile" - V-1 cruise missile. Image by wikipedia.org

Separately, a modification can be distinguished, the control of which for most of the route was carried out by a pilot ejected with a parachute closer to the final segment of the rocket's flight.

Another example of a "missile plane" is Japanese planes loaded with aerial bombs or explosives, with kamikaze pilots carrying out suicide attacks on American ships. Kamikaze strikes caused significant damage to the American the fleet. The effectiveness of kamikaze attacks exceeded the effectiveness of all other types of weapons used by Japan against ships of the US Navy.

However, here it is necessary to make a reservation - the basis for the success of the kamikaze was the use of an absolutely noise-proof guidance system - a person. On the other hand, the effectiveness of the carrier aircraft itself, as a means of causing damage, cannot be denied, even if the air bombs suspended under its fuselage did not detonate, the aircraft itself could inflict serious damage to the attacked ship, making it incapable of combat and requiring repair in the military sea ​​bases.


A fire on the American aircraft carrier Bunker Hill after being hit by a Japanese kamikaze aircraft. Image by wikipedia.org

Over time, the concept of "aircraft projectile" was replaced by a new designation for this type of weapon - a cruise missile. In the future, within the framework of this article, it is proposed to use the term "projectile" to designate a class of strike weapons created on the basis of manned aircraft.

Based on this definition, no matter how cynical it may sound, the Boeing 757-200 and Boeing 767-200 civilian aircraft used by terrorists to destroy the towers of the World Trade Center in New York City can be attributed to weapons of the “aircraft-projectile” type, no matter how cynical it may sound. Leaving out of consideration the ethical side of the terrorist attack, it can be argued that the Boeing 757-200 and Boeing 767-200 civilian aircraft used as weapons showed the highest efficiency, and this despite the fact that they did not undergo any design alterations and were not equipped with a warhead.

Thus, even in the days of unmanned aerial vehicles, including kamikaze UAVs, and stealthy cruise missiles, weapons such as "aircraft-projectile" may well occupy their niche.

Complex "aircraft-projectile"


And yet, why is it necessary to reincarnate the "projectile"? What are its advantages over modern cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs?

Firstly, we are talking about the rational use of a certain layer of aviation equipment, which is already risky to operate regularly, but it is possible to ensure another accident-free flight with a fairly high probability.

Secondly, and most importantly, the “projectile aircraft” can have a warhead that is much larger in mass than any that can be placed in existing cruise missiles or kamikaze UAVs, this applies in particular to products of the “projectile aircraft” type, made on the basis of transport or passenger aircraft - potentially the mass of their warhead can be several tens of tons.

Let us consider the decommissioned Il-96 (Il-86?) passenger aircraft and Il-76 transport aircraft as the basis for the “aircraft-projectile” complex.


IL-96 (left) and IL-76 (right). Image by wikipedia.org

In the aggregate of these aircraft, dozens, if not hundreds, were produced. Of this number, half a dozen to a dozen machines may well be found that meet the requirement "you cannot operate, but they will definitely withstand one flight."

First of all, everything superfluous should be removed from them, especially from the passenger IL-96. All lighting devices must be removed from the hull, and the hull itself must be painted black or dark gray - the use of "aircraft-projectile" complexes must be carried out only at night, to reduce the likelihood of visual detection by the enemy.

Most of the cargo / passenger compartment will be occupied by a warhead, including several tens of tons of high-power explosive - there should be no problems with its creation.

The most complex part of the "aircraft-projectile" complex is an automatic control system that ensures its piloting and access to the target.

How realistic is it to create an automatic control system for such large and complex machines as the Il-76 or Il-96?

Chinese specialists have carried out work on the transformation of the ancient An-2 maize aircraft into a UAV. In Russia, to create an unmanned version of the An-2 aircraft, the Navigator company developed a computer for flight and navigation parameters. A small product the size of a book carries the necessary set of sensors - an air signal system, an inertial and satellite receiver, as well as a modern calculator.


Azerbaijani version of the UAV based on the An-2. ITV image

On the one hand, it is not entirely correct to compare the An-2 and the Il-76 or Il-96, since these are machines of different classes, different weight categories, and the control of the An-2 should be much easier. On the other hand, the IL-76 and IL-96 are much more modern machines, their control is more automated. In addition, the most difficult part of the flight is landing, and in our case it is not required, at least in the form by which the landing of the aircraft is usually meant.

In addition, if we really save on the automatic control system, then taxiing at the airport and taking off the “aircraft-projectile” complex can be carried out by a pilot, who, after climbing about two kilometers, will switch control of the machine to the autopilot (automatic control system) and eject with a parachute. However, if possible, it is still better to avoid this - it is not pleasant to take off on several tens of tons of explosives, a psychological factor can play a role here.

Taking into account the cost and potential destructive capabilities of the “aircraft-projectile” complex, its guidance system should be based on the guidance systems of real cruise missiles, that is, in addition to the noise-immune satellite navigation system, it should have an inertial navigation system and a guidance system for terrain heights (an analogue of the TEXOM system ), possibly an optical guidance system in the final section.

The take-off of the "aircraft-projectile" complex should be carried out away from residential areas, crowds of people and equipment, in order to avoid serious consequences in the event of a negative development of events - after all, we are dealing with worn-out equipment loaded with tens of tons of explosives, respectively, a fall and an explosion at the takeoff stage should not lead to tragedy. For the same purpose, the flight route of the "aircraft-projectile" complex should not pass over settlements, at least over their own.

Yes, and it’s better not to lay a flight route over enemy settlements - firstly, the probability of accidental detection is reduced, secondly, settlements can be covered by air defense systems, thirdly, in the event of an “aircraft-projectile” complex being hit over a city, the number civilian casualties can number in the hundreds, if not thousands.

It can be assumed that the strike by the “aircraft-projectile” complexes should be masked by the massive use of other strike means, for example, the Geran-type UAV with installed corner reflectors and Luneberg lenses to increase the effective dispersion surface and distract / overload enemy air defense systems.

Conclusions


Complexes of the "aircraft-projectile" type will logically complement the previously considered weapons concepts, such as ICBM with a conventional warhead, AUV "Dagon" и transport ships - "fireships", whose destructive power significantly exceeds all conventional means currently available to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and indeed to any other countries of the world. Potentially, they can solve tasks that are now possible only with the use of tactical nuclear charges.


The consequences of the explosion at the Sverdlovsk-Sortirovochny station (now Yekaterinburg-Sortirovochny), which occurred on the morning of October 4, 1988 in the city of Sverdlovsk (USSR). The train, carrying 46,8 tons of TNT and 40 tons of RDX, rolled downhill, crashed into a freight train with coal standing on the tracks and exploded. The funnel at the site of the explosion reached a size of 40 by 60 m and a depth of 8 m, the shock wave spread over 10–15 kilometers. Image by wikipedia.org

If, after hitting several tens of kilograms of explosives of the warhead of a kamikaze UAV, the object can most often be relatively easily restored, if after the arrival of a half-ton warhead of the Kalibr-type missile launcher or Iskander-type ballistic missile, the object, most likely, albeit with difficulties, can be restored, then after the use of the “aircraft-projectile” complex with a warhead weighing several tens of tons of explosives, there will be nothing to restore.

Complexes of the “aircraft-projectile” type are not mass weapons of large-scale production, these are special weapons produced by single products, designed to solve special problems, while its impact on the course of military conflicts can be very, very significant.
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  1. +13
    3 November 2022 05: 57
    Conclusions

    Complexes of the "aircraft-projectile" type will logically complement the previously considered weapons concepts,

    In the presence of even mediocre air defense, the conclusions are completely different.
    1. +1
      3 November 2022 18: 24
      Quote: YOUR
      Conclusions
      Complexes of the "aircraft-projectile" type will logically complement the previously considered weapons concepts,

      In the presence of even mediocre air defense, the conclusions are completely different.

      In my opinion, in the case of Ukraine, a more promising undermining of a ship filled with explosives. He swam up to the support, and exploded, along with tens of tons of hexogen.
      1. +5
        4 November 2022 13: 51
        And I believe that it would be even more effective (by an order of magnitude, no less ...) to deliver regular and targeted strikes against "decision-making centers" ...

        The same Caliber, Daggers and Iskander-M, at least. Without any "exotic" ...
        1. 0
          7 November 2022 11: 08
          The problem is that these centers are overseas.
  2. +5
    3 November 2022 06: 08
    Well, something completely brainstorming led the author in the wrong direction.
    Such a bandura is dangerous over its own territory, but over a foreign one it is noticeable and slow, nothing shines for it, even under the cover of radio equipment.
    1. +1
      3 November 2022 11: 34
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Such a bandura

      And its name is Shakhidosamolёt. "plane" - in the direct sound of the meaning.
  3. +10
    3 November 2022 06: 13
    the author did not name another option - "Mistel" -

    the Germans used (albeit not massively) just for such purposes at the end of WW2
    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/en-ru.ru.075bb7f7-636331b6-14e1f97c-74722d776562/https/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistel
  4. +2
    3 November 2022 06: 31
    Testing a new aircraft, those are still adventures. So many things. And here you need to take the junk and reliably run it where you need it offline. We somehow with kamikaze are not very good. Therefore, a special control system is needed, which still needs to be created. And then test. And then test it on an old plane. Only the trick is that all new planes are the same, and all old ones are different.
    So - only in kamikaze.
  5. 0
    3 November 2022 07: 13
    Another small Yak-52 in the compartment, the pilot directs the plane, opens the ramp, runs into the plane and flies away .. How
  6. +2
    3 November 2022 07: 16
    Fantasy, fantasy. In addition to the fact that such an aircraft is easy prey for air defense / MANPADS, besides the fact that it is not so easy to get into the bridge effectively with such an aircraft - in our country there is not the required number of such aircraft of high flight readiness, no! It is the United States or China that can take a plane from their parking lots, bring it to the desired state and go ahead. Because the aviation industry is fine with them. And we all know what about aircraft factories and the aviation industry in Russia.
    1. +3
      3 November 2022 15: 55
      A fresh example: Azerbaijanis launched an-2 in the form of drones against the aru in Karabakh in order to detect air defense. At the same time, the Azerbaijani pilots lifted the planes, brought them in the direction of the target and left the plane on parachutes before reaching the targets. The effect was positive. The air defense was discovered and destroyed by the Bayraktars.
    2. -3
      10 December 2022 15: 37
      everything depends on the goal .. is there air defense there? if there is, then it means you need to disable or install electronic warfare, and then drop a plane with 10 tons of explosives on it, the question is how much the plane will cost and does it make sense to "give birth" analogue of that Swift with explosives
  7. +2
    3 November 2022 07: 39
    And what about Eli and Anami? There are Boeings with Airbuses without proper maintenance (if something has not changed). In the same 747, you don’t even need to shove explosives. Refuel only to capacity. :) Only here in Germany they made an airplane from a shell. And then a shell from an airplane.
    I have no idea how to experience it ... Again, the repair of everything old.
  8. +3
    3 November 2022 07: 53
    It is easier to equip ICBMs with an expiring shelf life with conventional warheads. There are few targets for such ammunition. Maybe once a year.
    1. +1
      3 November 2022 08: 41
      Quote: garri-lin
      It is easier to equip ICBMs with an expiring shelf life with conventional warheads. There are few targets for such ammunition. Maybe once a year.

      Will it hit?
      Cab need heavy
      1. 0
        3 November 2022 11: 07
        CAB is an airplane. And that means risk.
        ICBMs as a KAB delivery vehicle are much safer.
    2. 0
      24 November 2022 22: 00
      I do not have the necessary landmine. Yes, and KVO is not very. Yes, and everyone will crap, because. ICBM launches are usually notified when/where. And you are calling the Pentagon like that - tomorrow at noon the launch of ICBMs in Ukraine ...
      1. 0
        25 November 2022 08: 20
        KAB 5000 can be used as a warhead. Yes, and you can inform the same Pentagon. The blow is almost inevitable. Spectators will gather. They'll take a look. Take off.
        1. 0
          27 November 2022 20: 19
          What will 5000 do at 100 meters from the target? Only spectators and invite.
          1. 0
            27 November 2022 21: 45
            KVO bombs of the KAB series ten meters. Learn materiel.
            1. 0
              29 November 2022 17: 14
              This is if it is used with Tu22M3 for example. And the fantasy of sticking a KAB on an ICBM will generally have a CVO from the time of Tsar Pea, even if the KAB itself survives re-entry into the atmosphere at undesigned speeds for it. Instead of the KAB, it is necessary to start a full-fledged R&D to create a non-nuclear head for ICBMs, which is already too late at the moment. Better to build more good old Iskanders.
              And yes, 5000 just doesn't exist. KAB 250, 500, 1500. There is, or rather it was the FAB, but this is again if Hephaestus is thrown from the right plane, under the right conditions.
              1. 0
                29 November 2022 18: 10
                Oh, how dim everything is in this kingdom.
                What does your phrase mean: was FAB ??? And what about Hephaestus?
                1. 0
                  30 November 2022 00: 27
                  There was a FAB-5000 in the USSR, it was used with Pe-8 laughing
                  Modern Kuzkin's father is thermobaric, not high-explosive.
                  And Hephaestus is for the FAB, so that it can compete with the expensive KAB. Your Captain Obvious.
                  1. 0
                    30 November 2022 00: 45
                    Mixed up in a heap, horses, people, cabs, fabs, and other inventory.
                    There was also a FAB 9000. Kuzkin's dad is purely for show-off. The usual 500tk in that weight will bring much more benefit.
                    Large-caliber bombs are needed only for pinpoint destruction of high-strength targets.
                    Since you are moonlighting as Captain Obvious, it is obvious to you that it is extremely difficult to deliver several tons of explosives to the target. If the enemy has air defense. And no plane will help in this. Even the projectile described by the author.
                    Either a missile along a quasi-ballistic trajectory with a detachable warhead, or nothing.
                    Iskander won't help. For high-strength targets, much stronger warheads are needed.
  9. +3
    3 November 2022 07: 58
    Of course, it’s possible like that, explosives in the cabin, in an armored capsule, so that it wouldn’t be blasted ahead of time from air defense. In general, we have a huge number of military commanders and SS-20s that are being removed from service and replaced, it seems.
    It can simply replace the nuclear head with a conventional one. How much is the carrying capacity, taking into account the shorter range. And the accuracy is sufficient, and hypersound at the crash site. What are the bridges, tunnels. It’s all the same to shoot and destroy, but at least we’ll check the calculations and equipment.
    1. +2
      3 November 2022 08: 43
      The accuracy of our MBRs is not sufficient, you won’t hit the bridge the first time, and even the second .... And how many bridges across the Dnieper?!
    2. +2
      3 November 2022 08: 57
      There is a complexity of application here, and a very real nuclear war can be provoked. The Americans see that the strategist has gone, but it is not clear what is in his "head" there. Or maybe "Very-loaf", go and figure it out.
      Or you need to inform in advance that there will be such and such launches, but this already smacks of insanity.
      1. +4
        3 November 2022 11: 08
        The impact of such a missile is inevitable. It is possible to inform. It's almost impossible to knock down all the grass.
  10. +1
    3 November 2022 08: 13
    "And then Ost ... Andrey suffered!..." Yo-my! A whole stream of "crazy" articles! Yes ! You're right ! I envy! And by no means "white" envy! After all, during the period of my "creativity" I will also have a lot of similar topics ... a bunch of crazy projects! But, for some reason, I was shy about them and didn’t even show them to my friends and dad and mom! It turned out that it is possible and otherwise! Do not be shy and "rake money with a shovel" by publishing your "crazy" ideas! I'm ashamed ! Very ashamed ! But I'm jealous and I can't help it! recourse feel And therefore, he is always ready to "criticize" Andryukha ... you know it!
  11. +2
    3 November 2022 08: 56
    Decommissioned "Poplar" 1st stage 27 tons, remove the 2nd and 3rd stage, the released mass is approximately 20 tons. We mount the GOS from Iskander M and FAB 5000 kg. Here's a finished bridge destroyer.
    1. +2
      3 November 2022 09: 16
      Quote from Vert
      Decommissioned "Poplar" 1st stage 27 tons, remove the 2nd and 3rd stage, the released mass is approximately 20 tons. We mount the GOS from Iskander M and FAB 5000 kg. Here's a finished bridge destroyer.

      Quo 150-200meters
      1. 0
        3 November 2022 11: 05
        It’s worth a try, not on bridges like in Kyiv, or somewhere else.
        The thought is interesting.
      2. 0
        3 November 2022 11: 10
        We mount KAB 5000
        Well blah blah blah. Because there is not enough text. Hot
      3. +1
        3 November 2022 11: 49
        GOS from Iskander plus a correction control jet belt, decoys, and you will be happy with 5000 kg of explosives for a selected object. Moreover, the RSDM agreement is dead, dead, and everyone is already designing and trying to stamp sausages for 1000 km or more ..
      4. 0
        24 November 2022 16: 42
        KVO Iskander even if +/- 15 meters the bridge is in dust
    2. +1
      3 November 2022 12: 25
      Quote from Vert
      Decommissioned "Poplar" 1st stage 27 tons, remove the 2nd and 3rd stage, the released mass is approximately 20 tons. We mount the GOS from Iskander M and FAB 5000 kg. Here's a finished bridge destroyer.

      Well, what? You can think! It was similar in the history of rocket science! For example, there was an MRB "Temp-2S" ... They removed the first stage, received an RSD -10 "Pioneer" with a range of up to 5000 km ... And if we remove the second one? what Warhead load ... somewhere, one and a half tons! Replace with an adjustable aerial bomb in!, 5 tons ...
  12. +2
    3 November 2022 09: 10
    As a "pure idea", everything seems to be correct and logical. But if it is projected onto our reality, then it is not worth it.
    We do not have such storage bases as in America or deposits of vintage fighters, as in China. If anything happened, then they drank in the literal sense in the years of perestroika. And if there is any rubbish left, how much will it cost to restore it to flying condition. With this money, it's easier to order, it's easier to order several hundred (or maybe thousands) "shahid-mopeds". They may not be as spectacular, but they are quite realistic, with good value for money. In addition, they are able to well "discharge" enemy air defense, even if they are all shot down, which cannot be.
    As for aircraft, it may make sense to use decommissioned ones that "just flew yesterday." And then, not so much to destroy objects, but to open enemy air defense. Hook up an old electronic warfare container to it (for decommissioning). One or two air-to-ground missiles, an anti-radar missile and a bomb in the cockpit, instead of the pilot, may reach some conditional target.
    And go ahead, provoke air defense, "shooting lightly on the sides." Those. we can talk about some very small number of aircraft, a "hot reserve".
    The rest of the options are not realistic.
  13. 0
    3 November 2022 10: 23
    In principle, it is logical and feasible, IMHO.
    BUT!
    Repeatedly wrote about the reluctance to hit the bridges.
    Works are single, i.е. you will have to work with your hands and brains, that "effective managers from the army" are not comme il faut. Titles and awards for work are also in question.
    A similar effect can certainly be given by the simultaneous strike of several missiles, which was previously promoted.
    Allegedly, there are also concrete-piercing missiles, which can also give the desired effect.

    IMHO, the result - this will not happen with large aircraft.
    With small ones, we will trail behind the Chinese and Americans. (they have large reserves, but we don’t seem to have, they drank everything)
  14. +4
    3 November 2022 10: 40
    Complexes of the "aircraft-projectile" type will logically complement the previously considered weapons concepts.

    Oh what a delight!!! The author led ... invented a cruise missile. BRAVO!!! laughing
    Why this opus at all?
    Until now, no one has clearly explained to me why a pair of 9M723 missiles with a drooping warhead weighing 480 kg cannot demolish any support of any bridge under the base?
    But at the same time, the dill laid the Antonovsky bridge with conventional rocket launchers, 227 mm GMLRSs.
    Maybe all the same, the question is in the political will of our leadership, and not in the presence / absence of our technical means of destruction?
  15. +2
    3 November 2022 11: 04
    towers of the World Trade Center in New York City

    By the way, there was a version that these were precisely the planes controlled from the ground.
    They say, firstly, it is very beneficial for the United States (and the then president), and secondly, it is difficult for a half-educated pilot to get into a relatively small tower.
    1. +3
      4 November 2022 00: 52
      it is difficult for a dropout pilot to get into a relatively small tower
      But how easy it is to break through
      The facade of the buildings, 64,5 m wide, was a prefabricated steel lattice with columns 476,25 mm wide. On each of the four sides of the building, 61 steel beams ran along the entire height.
      In total, about 400 thousand cubic meters were needed for the construction. m of cement, 200 thousand tons of steel and 20 thousand square meters. m glass.
      Oh wow.
      This is how many battleships have become alone?!!

      Building 7, which no one flew into
      The fall of 7 WTC was investigated separately from the fall of 1 WTC and 2 WTC, and in June 2004, NIST released a working report that contained several hypotheses of what happened. One of the hypotheses was the destruction of one of the critical supporting columns of the building, caused by a fire or ingestion of large debris from falling towers, which led to a "disproportionate collapse of the entire structure"
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Разрушение_башен_Всемирного_торгового_центра_в_Нью-Йорке#Обрушение_здания_7_WTC

      Who was the owner of the twin towers?
      At the end of June 2001, Larry Silverstein leased (actually purchased) the World Trade Center twin towers from the Port Authority of New York for $99 billion, but in the end managed to pay off only about $3,2 million.
      On September 11, 2001, Larry Silverstein and his daughter miraculously survived the terrorist attacks, Larry liked to have breakfast every day in the WTC-1 building, and his daughter worked there, but neither one nor the second appeared in the building that day.
      The jury found the attacks to be two separate insurance claims. Thus, the amount of insurance payments to the tenant of the Twin Towers Larry Silverstein amounted to $ 4,65 billion in insurance, as well as $ 3,4 billion from the Liberty bond fund, that is, a total of $ 8,05 billion.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сильверстайн,_Ларри
      1. +1
        4 November 2022 17: 22
        Quote: Andriuha077
        But how easy it is to break through

        Yes Yes!
        There's just a T-34 forehead in thickness.
        Intuitively, the body, wildly crumpling, might have entered (well, lead can break through metal if it is dispersed and not very thick), but the wings (and hence the fuel) should have remained outside.


        Quote: Andriuha077
        Building 7, which no one flew into

        False start, come on. wassat

        Dirty but entertaining business.
  16. +1
    3 November 2022 16: 49
    A sovereign country with advanced technology will always find something to destroy the bridge. In the 21st century, this is not a huge problem. Moreover, in order to increase the warhead of a rocket several times, it is not at all necessary to turn it into an airplane. The German FAA had warheads of 1000 kg and did not become airplanes from this. Looks like it's been 80 years...
    1. 0
      4 November 2022 17: 28
      Quote: ort
      The German FAA had warheads of 1000 kg and did not become airplanes from this.


      V-1:
      Length, m: 7,75
      Wingspan, m: 5,3 (later 5,7)

      V-2: about 15 meters high.

      Well, it looks like an airplane.
      The second is more like an ICBM, but not the essence, they are not small.
  17. +2
    3 November 2022 18: 10
    ..........in the USA this process is organized very competently, but they have a hot and dry desert climate on their side.
    1. 0
      4 June 2023 00: 28
      Quote: Bad_gr
      ..........in the USA this process is organized very competently, but they have a hot and dry desert climate on their side.

      Yes, your myth about necroaviation is dead. Calm down.
  18. +1
    3 November 2022 19: 10
    The thought is correct, but to use the best-developed resources of the instant 29 Su 24/25, etc., we equip it with an autonomous control system and hang the fab 500 according to the combat load. plus the high-explosive effect is much stronger than that of the caliber. the question is, can decommissioned aircraft be lifted into the air ??
  19. +2
    3 November 2022 20: 20
    It is better to remember the English jumping bombs - the destroyers of dams. The dam will be larger than any bridge, but they managed to break through. The explosion occurred underwater at the foot of the dam - hydrostatic shock and water pressure increased the destructive effect. And this was done without any homing heads and kamikaze pilots.
    1. +1
      4 November 2022 17: 30
      Why not a torpedo?
      Or did they hit from the side where the bottom of the dam sent a bomb with a pancake into the dam?
      It seems that it was possible with ships, but it’s dangerous and in general ...
    2. 0
      19 December 2022 00: 27
      And the loss of a hundred pilots
      .............
  20. 0
    4 November 2022 13: 37
    The powerless malice of the author is priceless)
  21. +2
    4 November 2022 20: 33
    Nonsense in economics, starting with the choice of model.

    Il-76/86/96 can always be recapitalized and get an almost new aircraft, saving fifty calibers from the price of a new one.

    We need a model, the further operation of which is impossible. Just the same, the An-2 is good here because no one needs them in the amount that they are.

    If we consider, then the Tu-134/154 is the only suitable large option, because it is almost unsuitable for military transport tasks, and in civilian life it is too outdated to make sense to restore it.
  22. +1
    5 November 2022 02: 21
    Well, maybe for some kind of potential war / conflict in an urbanized country (where there are many cities, industrial and transport infrastructure) a couple of times such giants are profitable to launch.

    But for mass use, light aircraft are still better suited. They are massive, cheap, there are plenty of them on the secondary market. And the carrying capacity is enough to accommodate all the control equipment and a hundred kg of explosives. In addition, light aircraft-projectiles can be launched by a group, both to increase the area of ​​destruction, and to increase the chance of destroying the target (the chance that all aircraft in the group will be shot down is less than the chance that at least one will remain). In addition, aircraft shells, even if they were shot down, help in the war. They force them to spend on themselves the ammunition load of medium and large air defense systems. Accordingly, a group of such S-S (aircraft-shells) can be launched forward so that they discharge the enemy’s air defense ammunition set and partially hit the targets. Accordingly, when the conventional Air Force arrives, the air defense will be empty and will not pose a serious threat.
  23. 0
    7 November 2022 10: 47
    To make such a projectile from an old fighter, I understand that several tons of explosives can be loaded there, such machines are relatively small and agile. But from the IL-76, the idea is so-so, I just regularly see and hear these cars, they fly side by side. You can hear them long before you start to see them, for such a machine to fly by air defense should simply be absent, no air defense calibers or geraniums will distract from such a huge, slow and clumsy target.
  24. 0
    7 November 2022 12: 57
    Then the tank-shell from the T-62, 64 ... and maybe even 34s were preserved. Crawl at maximum speed into a conditional fortified area with TNT or c4 instead of BC and all the internal space and kaaaak send Pugachev to the bar. And then clean up after a kiloton of TNT. Fso. Servo machines are needed, of course, and arduino with a GLONASS module
  25. +1
    8 December 2022 18: 45
    The author wants to use the Il-76 and others like him as kamikaze aircraft filled with explosives.
    And allegedly they will be able to inflict damage on certain mega-objects, such as strategic bridges, etc.

    Probably, if such an aircraft was used somewhere in Afghanistan, this could work. But on EuroTVD - no. Friend or Foe check and instant start. Such a carcass as IL76 shines on radars like a Christmas tree.

    Very beautifully, the author refers to the use of aircraft by terrorists in New York.
    Only the author forgets that success was achieved by absolute surprise and the indecision of the US authorities to shoot down everything that does not respond to the calls of flight control services. (everyone remembers the video from kindergarten, where Bush read poems to children when he was told about the towers? :))

    So the idea is ... a failure.
  26. 0
    10 December 2022 13: 52
    hosspadi ... the chance of reaching the target for this "projectile" is zero point zero tenths. for conversion into a drone and reliable control / homing, even a developed country will take months, and ours will take years, if not decades. Apparently, flights even of the KR have long been copied by drills and reconnaissance satellites, and it’s a thousand times easier to notice this bandura.
    in general, no matter how attractive the idea of ​​​​carrying explosives on transporters, there is, alas, no alternative to normal aviation with low-observable 5th generation aircraft and high-precision high-power gliding bombs.
  27. 0
    1 January 2023 22: 35
    China went exactly this way, the MiG-17 and MiG-19 were converted into drones.
  28. 0
    29 January 2023 15: 57
    It is necessary to hit the pillars of the bridge. and it is better to launch a rocket bomb under the bridge, that the rocket crashed into the bottom of the river and caused an earthquake. 7 spans were hit on the Crimean bridge to change, trains with fuel can go there to track down and hit. All structures will melt. And if, after it flares up, hit again, then you can seriously change the design
    My plan would be like this, you need to beat the trains with fuel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    It was possible to hit with a moped, and then with Iskanders and calibers. And there is no bridge.
    1. -1
      29 January 2023 16: 00
      Quote from Alexwar
      but it’s better to launch a rocket bomb under the bridge that the rocket crashed into the bottom of the river and caused an earthquake

      good laughing good

      You made my evening, thank you.