Anti-aircraft installations M75 in Ukraine: useless help from an unknown country

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Anti-aircraft installations M75 in Ukraine: useless help from an unknown country
M75 installations somewhere in Ukraine. Photo Telegram / BMPD


Foreign countries are actively transferring various weapons and equipment to Ukraine, but in the vast majority of cases these are outdated models, incl. taken out of service. Another example of such "help" became known a few days ago. An unknown foreign country sent to Ukraine obsolete 20-mm anti-aircraft guns M75 of Yugoslav production.



Outdated novelty


Earlier, foreign countries have repeatedly reported plans to send military-technical assistance to Ukraine in the form of anti-aircraft systems and artillery. However, no one has yet announced the delivery of M75 installations with small-caliber guns. This episode of assistance took place without prior publicity and therefore acquires a special form.

In the last days of October, a curious photograph taken on Ukrainian positions was distributed on specialized resources. It depicted two light anti-aircraft artillery mounts on wheels, some auxiliary equipment and crews. Where and when this photo was taken is unknown, but it can be assumed that the picture is no more than a few days or weeks old.

It is not difficult to determine the type of installations. Judging by their appearance, these are Yugoslav-made M55 products or their improved version of the M75. Soon a clarification appeared: it was reported that Ukraine was given a later version of the installation.


Installing the M75 in firing position. Photo Mjlmilitaria.com

Where the outdated installations came from is unknown. Similar weapon a number of European countries had or have, but none of them had previously reported a desire to give them to Ukraine. Also unknown is the allocated number of weapons, the timing of their appearance, distribution among Ukrainian units and subdivisions, etc.

It should be noted that the lack of information of this kind does not prevent us from drawing conclusions now. The situation looks quite simple. Another foreign "ally" provided the Kyiv regime with military-technical "assistance" of a dubious nature. He was given long-outdated systems with limited performance and minimal value.

Long story


History The Yugoslav M75 anti-aircraft gun dates back to the early forties, when the Swiss company Hispano-Suiza (Suisse) SA began a deep modernization of the 20-mm HS.404 automatic gun. The new gun with the index HS.804 was intended for use on ground and air platforms. During its development, it was planned to correct the shortcomings of the base sample and improve the main characteristics. The new gun was brought to the series already in 1943-44.

In 1951, Yugoslavia acquired a license for the independent production of an anti-aircraft installation in the form of a HS.804 gun and a towed gun carriage HSS.630. The organization of production at the Crvena Zastava enterprise took several years, and the installation entered service with the Yugoslav People's Army only in 1955. The licensed version of the product received the index 20/1 mm M55.


Receiver, magazine and gunner's place close-up. Photo Mjlmilitaria.com

Already in the mid-fifties, it became clear that an installation with one 20-mm gun could not fight modern aviation. In this regard, the development of a new modification of the M55 with three guns began. For a number of reasons, work on this product was completed only in the early seventies. The resulting M55A2 installation was further upgraded using various system devices, incl. own engine for movement.

In the mid-seventies, a slight modernization of the existing single-barrel systems was carried out. The resulting sample was again designated by the year of appearance - M75. With its help, the remaining single-barrel installations of the basic version were replaced as soon as possible.

During the collapse of Yugoslavia, the M55 / M75 anti-aircraft guns, like other JNA weapons, went to the newly formed states. All these weapons were actively used in the outbreak of civil wars. Some of the products were destroyed in battles, disposed of after the end of the war or transferred to museums, but some installations survived and remained in the armies.

As it has now become known, a certain number of them still remained in service or in storage in individual countries. Now the unknown owners have decided to donate their M75 launchers to the Kyiv regime - either as a help or to get rid of useless and unnecessary property.

Technical features


The M75 is a light towed anti-aircraft gun. Its design as a whole repeated the original Swiss development, but had minor differences aimed at improving performance or optimizing production.


View from the gunner. Photo Mjlmilitaria.com

The installation was equipped with a licensed gun HS.804. It was a 20-mm gun with a rifled barrel 70 klb long and automation based on gas removal. The technical rate of fire reached 800 rds / min. The initial speed of the projectile, depending on the type, is up to 800-850 m / s. The effective range of fire against an air target reached 1-1,5 km.

The gun used unitary shots 20x110 mm with high-explosive fragmentation, high-explosive incendiary, armor-piercing, etc. shells. Armor-piercing ammunition at a distance of effective range made it possible to hit light armored vehicles. The supply of shells was carried out from drum or box magazines of various capacities. The most widely used drums for 60 shells, which had the optimal combination of convenience and capacity.

The carriage for the M75 had a simplified design and was notable for its simplicity. The lower carriage machine had three sliding beds, and was also equipped with a removable wheel drive. The design allowed both full deployment with the installation of frames on the ground, and firing from wheels. The upper carriage machine had mounts for the gun, a support for the sight and a gunner's seat. The aiming was controlled by two handles. The carriage design provided circular horizontal guidance. Elevation angles - from -8° to +83°.

Installation M75 in combat position (when installed on the ground) weighed 232 kg. In the stowed position, with a wheel drive for towing by a car, the mass reached 275 kg. Any vehicle capable of towing such a load and simultaneously transporting five or six crew members with ammunition could be used as a tractor.

Complete obsolescence


The transfer of M75 anti-aircraft guns to the Kyiv regime looks like a curiosity or an evil irony. Such products are morally obsolete almost by the time of their appearance, and their use in a modern conflict does not make sense. These installations can only be a forced measure in the absence of any newer alternatives.


Wheel shooting. Graphics from the installation manual

The M55/M75 have long since fallen short of their primary mission and are unable to deal with modern airborne threats. The installations are equipped with the simplest sights and are manually controlled, which simply does not allow accurate fire on a moving aircraft. At the same time, the installation of any means of fire control is not possible.

The effective use of 20-mm guns against armored vehicles is also in question. The HS.804 is still capable of penetrating the armor of some light vehicles. However, the calculation of the gun is unlikely to be able to notice and attack the armored vehicle first, and also not fall under return fire. At the same time, the lack of armor cover increases the risks for the gunner and loaders.

The only way to improve the fighting qualities of the old M75 is to install it on a car. Such a "self-propelled gun" will have acceptable mobility, and can also receive reservations. However, its effectiveness is questionable. In fact, it will only be able to operate until the first encounter with a larger caliber gun, aircraft missile, etc.

Landfill for disposal


A few months ago, the leadership of the Kyiv regime called on foreign states to make Ukraine a testing ground for new weapons. Indeed, some "allies" took advantage of this opportunity and sent modern products to be tested in a real conflict. However, other states used Ukraine as a landfill for the disposal of unnecessary property.

Despite all the assurances, mainly old products and samples are supplied to Ukraine, incl. long outdated morally and physically. Yugoslav-made M75 anti-aircraft guns became another example of such "help". They have no special prospects and will not help the Ukrainian formations. But the unknown country that provided these products was solving other issues, and it is hardly interested in the real benefits of the installations.
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  1. +25
    2 November 2022 16: 08
    The transfer of M75 anti-aircraft guns to the Kyiv regime looks like a curiosity or an evil irony. Such products are morally obsolete almost by the time of their appearance, and their use in a modern conflict does not make sense. These installations can only be a forced measure in the absence of any newer alternatives.

    * looks thoughtfully at a recent article with praises to the equally ancient S-60s used on our part.
    1. +11
      2 November 2022 16: 18
      I would not call the S-60 complex as ancient. The gun of this complex AZP-57 is a masterpiece and by the way is used in Air Defense Derivation, also in AK-725 ship systems, in the AU-220M Baikal module.
      M75 is a 20 mm rattle with a shot barrel. She was about nothing during WWII.
      1. +11
        2 November 2022 16: 47
        In fact, of course, the development of the mid-forties and it is very difficult to call it new even with a stretch, but the gun turned out to be successful, and therefore was in great demand in many countries.
        Yes, and the caliber is 57 mm, this is not a 20 mm Hispano-Suiza.
        1. +7
          2 November 2022 16: 56
          this is not a 20mm Hispano-Suiza.
          by the way, and with an unknown supply of shells, the "cheetahs" are already asking to eat, but there is nothing
        2. +6
          3 November 2022 01: 54
          Let me remind you that the Kalashnikov assault rifle is the same development of the mid-40s. Since that time, little has changed in it.
    2. +20
      2 November 2022 16: 18
      The author is in his repertoire, our junk is the best, the enemy’s is no good.
    3. +6
      2 November 2022 16: 18
      The S-60 may well find application as an anti-drone weapon, because the caliber allows the use of a fairly effective fragmentation projectile. Unlike this bug..
      1. +5
        3 November 2022 08: 59
        This gun is very good and on the ground! And this me75 on the ground will also work well. The armored personnel carrier will not stand against the rattle
      2. +2
        3 November 2022 12: 52
        These bugs can be placed anywhere. So in terms of anti-drone defense, they will also be better.
        1. -1
          3 November 2022 13: 38
          Why suddenly? There is no fragmentation projectile, and it is extremely problematic to get into a drone from such sighting ones ..
          1. +1
            7 November 2022 09: 32
            Actually, there is. Fragmentation shells for 20 mm anti-aircraft guns have been produced since the late 30s of the last century. In terms of scope, yes. But somehow one of them managed to hit maneuvering aircraft, and even the speed of a WWII attack aircraft is much higher than that of a shahid moped. So getting into a flying at a speed of 150 km in a straight line is quite realistic. Of course, this is if the drone does not fly 4 km. But in the videos that walk on the Internet, these geraniums fly at an altitude of a couple of hundred meters. Of course, this memory is not a weapon of victory, but it is much better than shooting drones from Kalash. And this anti-aircraft gun will unpleasantly surprise other flying equipment. For example a helicopter. As well as light armored vehicles. Its range is up to 5 km on the ground. It is difficult to say at what distance it will penetrate the armor of the same armored personnel carrier. But it's hundreds of meters. Nothing better than an RPG
  2. +21
    2 November 2022 16: 14
    Small, compact, easily camouflaged, capable of acting from ambush... You say - an outdated and worthless weapon? Oh well
    1. +8
      2 November 2022 21: 25
      This is a ready-made filling for any pickup truck, the result will be a "jihad-mobile" that can hang both armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles and quickly wash off.
    2. -1
      3 November 2022 03: 39
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Small, compact, easily camouflaged, capable of operating from ambush..

      Good ambush, look at the line of fire! The gunner is literally standing over the gun!
      Neither bury, nor really disguise ...
      1. Hey
        +1
        3 November 2022 06: 28
        And who said that it can not be put on another machine?
        1. -1
          3 November 2022 06: 33
          Quote: MUD
          And who said that it can not be put on another machine?

          For a heavy, and it is heavy, rarity, look for another rare machine? Or make something of your own? Some sort of slut.
      2. 0
        3 November 2022 13: 02
        height m55 is about 2 m. The whole installation is in the height of a person. Burrows in any thickets even without digging. And the range on the ground is up to 5 km and up to 4 km in the air. Not bad..
        1. 0
          3 November 2022 14: 22
          Quote: Single-n
          height m55 is about 2 m. The whole installation is in the height of a person. Burrows in any thickets even without digging. And the range on the ground is up to 5 km and up to 4 km in the air. Not bad..
          What are 5-4 km? Are you familiar with the concept of "scatter"? The KPV with a larger cartridge case fired accurately at 2-1,5 km. And with such a low line of fire in front of the memory, a mowed area is needed to drive the barrel, and the rider, like on a horse, will receive the first bullets on flashes. Use your imagination just a little...
    3. +3
      3 November 2022 09: 05
      Small, compact, easily camouflaged, capable of acting from ambush... You say - an outdated and worthless weapon? Oh well

      bullshit. There are dozens of ways to die senselessly - being the operator of such an installation is one of them.
  3. +1
    2 November 2022 16: 18
    Will such an installation be suitable against "Geraniums"?
    1. +3
      2 November 2022 19: 15
      If Geranium flies very close, and there are 3-4 units to create a high density of fire, it is quite possible to shoot down.
  4. +3
    2 November 2022 16: 19
    MZA. The most is against Geraniums. Nowhere else. And even then, against Geranium Maxim on the machine is more useful. And cheap.
    1. +4
      2 November 2022 18: 57
      Quote from Bingo
      MZA. The most is against Geraniums.

      Happy. To work at night, you will need a sight and a commander's tablet, costing as much as the installation itself. smile
      1. +2
        2 November 2022 22: 53
        And at night ukram need to sleep! And then a babayka will come and steal all the independence
    2. 0
      2 November 2022 19: 51
      And even then, against Geranium Maxim on the machine is more useful.
      Yeah. four-barreled, as at the beginning of the Second World War.
  5. +6
    2 November 2022 16: 21
    to fight low-flying (about 50 meters) aircraft - in my opinion, the very thing that is needed is to install in an ambush (forest belt) - so the danger of this cannon should not be underestimated!
    1. +3
      2 November 2022 16: 45
      Yes, ask the Vietnamese how they staged similar ambushes on helicopters from twin DShKs in the jungle. They were masters of such things.
  6. +14
    2 November 2022 16: 25
    Can Ryabov Kirill be sent to the front so that he personally checks ineffective Western weapons for himself? How many such articles have already come out of him? Already sick of his hatred
    1. +4
      2 November 2022 16: 42
      He believes that in the rear there is more sense from him, mobilized articles are read, and with a light heart to the front line. After all, the enemy’s weapons are all old.
    2. +2
      2 November 2022 20: 22
      just stop writing. because of such opuses, the VO level fell to the bottom. I'm ready to read Kaptsov!
  7. +9
    2 November 2022 16: 26
    Disagree. This cannon is great for fighting Shahed-129.
    1. +1
      2 November 2022 16: 58
      yes, if it flies directly overhead, otherwise it won’t fit in range
  8. +4
    2 November 2022 16: 50
    And why does everyone think that it will be used as air defense? For infantry and light armor, that’s it, and the range is probably decent since it’s from air defense. ZSU is mainly used this way.
    1. -1
      3 November 2022 03: 40
      Quote: ALARI
      For infantry and light armor, that’s it, and the range is probably decent since it’s from air defense. ZSU is mainly used this way.

      And you open your eyes and look at the line of fire! The gunner is literally standing over the gun!
      Neither bury, nor really disguise ...
      1. +1
        3 November 2022 07: 20
        Yes, razuyte yourself, for example, I compared it with the Soviet ZSU where the gunner sits, is there that they roll it into a caponier? They carry it in the Urals or Kamaz and in the body, this one is much easier and it’s easy to attach to a pickup truck. No one is going to put her in a trench.
        1. -1
          3 November 2022 08: 09
          Quote: ALARI
          Yes, razuyte yourself, for example, I compared it with the Soviet ZSU where the gunner sits, is there that they roll it into a caponier? They carry it in the Urals or Kamaz and in the body, this one is much easier and it’s easy to attach to a pickup truck. No one is going to put her in a trench.

          Okay, not in a trench, but with its cartridge and initial speed, and there the sleeve is shorter than that of the KPV, even against the old Soviet armored personnel carrier this stick is useless. And the ZU-23-2 mm has a much higher line of fire and covers the shooters much better.
          1. +1
            3 November 2022 08: 43
            And no one says that it will be a child prodigy, even those who probably set it up are raking everything out of the arsenals. They will use it out of hopelessness, but maxims and Degtyarevs use it. A swarm of shells in the direction of the enemy, according to statistics, will hook someone.
  9. +5
    2 November 2022 16: 59
    The author has all the dubious weapons, just do not forget that the same KPVT is the same age and in terms of performance characteristics it is slightly inferior to the M75, and the large-caliber DShK, a little older than the M75, is effective and relevant and does not bother anyone in the war that the DShK of 1938. Yes, and in the war in the Donbass, for some reason, no one looks at the dubiousness of the PTRS and PTRD, and they calmly put BMPs at a distance of 500-800 meters out of action
  10. +5
    2 November 2022 18: 04
    This installation not only cuts lynxes and other hammer-like menageries, but also butchers infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers - only on the way. A good turn, and the crew can be raked out with a shovel. Yes, and the parapet of the trench will pierce through, not noticing resistance.
    In general, it's fun to read about "useless" and "obsolete".
    The authors strictly sculpt their pearls according to a stencil. And - boar - to the cashier.
  11. 0
    2 November 2022 18: 10
    And why is this herobora not a heavy machine gun?
    1. 0
      2 November 2022 20: 23
      because it's a gun. and there are also explosives in the shells.
      1. +1
        2 November 2022 23: 44
        So, what's wrong with her? The article seems to be in a negative way.
        1. +1
          3 November 2022 07: 40
          Ask the author. Probably because as a means of air defense the gun is already a little old.
  12. +3
    2 November 2022 18: 32
    Any weapon can kill, there are no obsolete weapons, there are misuses.
  13. +4
    2 November 2022 18: 54
    Is it possible to replace Kirill Ryabov with something more useful?
    1. +3
      2 November 2022 20: 24
      I would very much like.very. well, or make a separate section "ripples". negative attendance would quickly show its value.
  14. ASM
    0
    2 November 2022 19: 24
    Well, they will put them on carts. What is in fashion now, Toyotas or geldings? Only carts are not suitable for muddy soil. Well, maybe they’ll adapt somewhere else, such as in a building against geraniums. The main thing here is to get a rollback for acceptance, transportation, commissioning and ammunition.
  15. +1
    2 November 2022 19: 56
    Such products are morally obsolete almost by the time of their appearance, and their use in a modern conflict does not make sense. These installations can only be a forced measure in the absence of any newer alternatives.

    History goes in a spiral. Low-flying, low-speed targets of a new generation have appeared again, and this anti-aircraft gun can again become relevant. Only heavy.
  16. +5
    2 November 2022 20: 19
    I read and think, what a game. low silhouette, minimal visibility in all ranges, 20 mm, which can create serious problems with the same BPM and armored personnel carrier. read to the end - ryabov ...
  17. +3
    2 November 2022 20: 33
    Outdated and ineffective - the arquebus, and this thing is very effective in terms of manpower and non-armored vehicles. I think so.
  18. 0
    2 November 2022 21: 37
    Is that to shoot at the infantry! But now the infantry can embed like that ...
  19. +2
    2 November 2022 21: 47
    Another explainer. There were already many.
    Naturally, it is better for PR to divert the question from the main thing: what is better with a 20mm light gun than without it.
  20. +3
    2 November 2022 22: 47
    useless help

    it will go against the martyr quite well ...
    true BC needs more than 60 pieces
  21. +4
    3 November 2022 04: 26
    Weapons in war are never useless. Old or not, it still does its job
  22. 0
    3 November 2022 08: 46
    Or can this thing be used against unexpectedly appearing low-flying low-speed small-sized targets ??
  23. +2
    3 November 2022 11: 23
    The usual article
    Ryabov Kirill from the series ""useless and obsolete"""". Installed on the M113 or on the Pickup, he will honestly do his job.
    1. 0
      3 November 2022 13: 10
      Both the M113 and the pickup truck without this cannon can be used much better with the standard weapons of the infantrymen, this stray for action films and games where you go through the next level with x-nation lives. As air defense, it can be used against geraniums, but targeting needs to be improved, but for this it is necessary to design and open production, and not indulge in handicraft.
  24. -1
    3 November 2022 12: 55
    I can imagine how much weapons they just abandon the Armed Forces of Ukraine. After all, any problem and it becomes a real problem
  25. +1
    3 November 2022 13: 23
    M-75 has its niche. Mobile, compact, easy to hide, for work from ambush, including, it can be transported by civilian equipment, work not only on helicopters, but also on UAVs, with difficulty of course, but it can, as well as on lightly armored vehicles, so it’s a useful thing, and the author is an incompetent layman , constantly writing that their junk cannot be used and in general it is worse than our junk, about the s-60, etc. Even the ancient m1919 or DShK on a pickup truck is effective when used correctly, so don’t write your fabrications if you don’t understand the topic . Another thing is that the supply of such a quantity of motley equipment of various calibers for ukrov is a headache, which cannot but rejoice
  26. 0
    3 November 2022 15: 22
    God forbid if it's outdated, if only it didn't mow down our guys
  27. 0
    4 November 2022 22: 50
    Just think, Newton's binomial! Look for the ends of the Georgians. They still used them in Abkhazia.
  28. 0
    10 December 2022 12: 17
    An excellent weapon, especially against infantry in the trenches. Ideal for upgrading into a fighting robot.
  29. +1
    12 December 2022 22: 25
    Croats probably threw off. also want to contribute.
  30. -1
    24 December 2022 09: 22
    We somehow forgot the destruction of our two "ducklings" from the ambush ZSU 2 × 23. And who will not let the banderlogs do the same using these anti-aircraft guns.
  31. 0
    12 January 2023 04: 59
    If there was a goal of maximum consumption of words and letters, with a minimum of content, then the author succeeded.
  32. -1
    14 January 2023 15: 28
    From the world on a string - a beggar's shirt, but only this shirt is useless and absolutely useless.