Alternative to mass executions

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Alternative to mass executions

“Only mass executions will save our country from final destruction,” one of my friends is convinced

He knows what he says - he lives in the Far East. Many are now yearning for an iron hand, but she still does not come and does not come. Not that the shootings, and even the notorious "landings", it seems, we will not wait. Why - a separate question. But you still need to do something, and not just dream about the arrival of Joseph Vissarionovich.

How, for example, to eradicate corruption, which literally seized all of our country? After all, now a third of the entire budget of Russia is in the shadow. Among my friends there are many who believe that in principle this hydra cannot be defeated in Russia by one person who is not only sure of the opposite, but also knows how to do it. His name is Samvel Garibyan, he bears the title "Man-superfamily"because it is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the only one who can remember one and a half to two thousand unfamiliar foreign words at a time. For memorization, he uses his own methodology, but, in my opinion, his “methodical recommendations” for eradicating the most vital ulcers of modern Russia are no less interesting. In particular - corruption.

“Corruption is based on the natural properties of greedy human nature,” says Samvel. - And it can not break something elevated and honest, but only the use of the laws of her own! Therefore, the fundamental principle of the struggle is its transfer to a “self-supporting” basis, when it becomes more profitable to fight corruption than to engage in it. Garibyan proposes five steps to blow up corruption from within.

Step one. Bribery does not qualify as a criminal offense, while maintaining responsibility for its receipt (that is, you can give, but you can not take);

Step Two. With a proven statement, the entire amount of the bribe (or in monetary terms of the service rendered) must be confiscated from the recipient, along with a substantial fine from his property in favor of both the bribe giver and the state budget (in half). This initiative of Samvel has already been partially implemented - since 2011 has been introduced in Russia multiple penalty for corruption. For cases where the recipient does not have money, it is proposed to introduce a debt prison for up to 10 years;

Step three. Full-scale implementation of the previous paragraph can lead to the fact that many, tempted by super-profit, paralyze the work of the state apparatus with corrupt proposals. To prevent this from happening, you need the opposite action: to allow officials to appropriate bribes legally, without doing the work for which payment was received. But to allow it only under certain essential conditions. The first is that when an official receives a proposal for a bribe (if he did not extort her and did not force her to do it), he must notify the competent authorities. With their help, the transfer of money must be recorded. From the amount received, the official will have to pay income tax and 5% to the authorities for logging services. At the same time, a bribe giver needs to recover an 50 multiple of the bribe amount, which should be divided on an equal footing between the same officials and the state budget. In the absence of money for a fine, the bribe-giver is a debt prison until 5 years. At the same time, if it turns out that both parties had previously declared each other to the authorities, then the divorce of the situation would be zero, with the prohibition against this bribe giver to make a corrupt offer to this official, on pain of an administrative arrest of 15 days;

Step four. The results achieved by the briber by bribing an official should be preserved. Illegal results - legitimize, and if this is not possible due to public danger, the bribe-giver should receive separate compensation from the recipient’s property for the deprivation of these results;

Step five. Since such measures will increase the risk of being caught while receiving or giving a bribe directly, the role of intermediaries will increase dramatically to ensure the security of the transaction. Therefore, the responsibility for mediating in a bribe should be increased simultaneously. Our state and in this direction has already designated movement. This will lead to the fact that intermediaries will extort predatory interest for risk from bribe takers, thereby reducing the economic justification for corruption.

According to Samvel Garibyan, the implementation of the above steps will lead to the fact that the fight against corruption will turn into a profitable business and entail a sharp deterioration in the conditions of the "work" of corrupt officials. As China’s practice shows, tougher penalties are not always effective. In the heavenly Empire, corruption is supposed to be shot, but this does not stop corrupt officials, their shadow turnover there amounts to tens of billions of dollars a year. And since mass executions are impossible in our country, let's continue the fight against corruption according to the principle of “knocking fire with knives”.
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  1. +3
    October 27 2012
    This comrade has very interesting ideas, but it will be difficult to work. The main thing you can make money on bribe takers, especially at the beginning until everyone understands how it works!
    1. Nikita
      +2
      October 27 2012
      Bribery does not qualify as a criminal offense, while maintaining responsibility for its receipt (that is, you can give, but you can not take);

      I wrote about this for a long time in this forum (August 10), which many people appreciated by the way with their advantages
      1. Nikita
        +4
        October 27 2012
        and send this article to Putin VV
        1. S_mirnov
          +12
          October 27 2012
          The article is complete nonsense! There is no explanation on what basis someone will catch bribe takers, and not share kickbacks with them. Without this basic mechanism - all speculations are nothing more than picking your nose on a topic - as it would be nice if ...
          In my opinion, the Calling Movement or the former ABN Army offers the best option.
          http://igpr.ru/nasha_tsel
          as long as the president and the Duma thinkers are not responsible for the results of their rule, nothing will change for the better in this country.
          1. 0
            October 27 2012
            Quote: S_mirnov
            someone will catch bribe takers, and not share kickbacks with them

            This, like other measures, will increase the size of the bribe or kickback to the point of absurdity and the effect of the benefits of giving a bribe will decrease, which is already some progress.
            6-7 years ago, I bought the rights while I was drunk for 2000 rubles on the spot, and continued to move in the same form, just showing on the phone who I’ll pick up the rights from tomorrow, now I won’t get rid of it, at least in our area
    2. 0
      October 27 2012
      Quote: crazyrom
      This comrade has very interesting ideas, but it will be difficult to work. The main thing you can make money on bribe takers, especially at the beginning until everyone understands how it works!

      Phew, why bite a nursing hand? In general, this will not work, because it is beneficial only to honest people, and not honest people who take it without banging, and receives 100% of the bribe (without any taxes). And in China, big successes with this: if even janitors used to take it, now bribe takers, having stolen, piss in their pants and run good
      1. Pit
        Pit
        0
        October 27 2012
        ReddragonIn general, this will not work, because it is beneficial only to honest people, and not honest people will take it without banging.
        So if he picks it up, but they check it, then here is already a real time with confiscation. Or you have to pay off, the amount is much more than taken.
        1. -1
          October 28 2012
          Qualifying a bribe as treason and shooting both the bribe giver and the bribe taker is the only effective method! It is better to kill 10 million, after putting things in order in Russia, the birth rate is growing perfectly!
  2. +6
    October 27 2012
    Or maybe you don’t need smart 5 steps with abstruse analysts, but just like in our ancestors in ancient times - take out a bribe to the outskirts, strip, tar, roll chicken down and just let it go - and the person will not be alive and ... .for all his filthy life he will remember that taking bribes is bad and not necessary !!!!
    1. +3
      October 27 2012
      And you are not mixed up? It seems like after tar and fluff you still need to put on a stake ... Although it is possible this is only in America.
      1. 0
        October 27 2012
        laughing - I agree!!!
      2. +3
        October 27 2012
        Quote: crazyrom
        sort of like after tar and fluff still need to put on a stake.

        All this must be done solemnly, in Red Square. Although in my opinion, it’s easier to hang a dozen, most will think.
        1. Brother Sarych
          +2
          October 27 2012
          Demonstrative punishments, without looking at faces, will make many think ...
      3. Bashkaus
        0
        October 27 2012
        We also squeezed on the count. By the way, an artful executioner could put a man so neatly on a stake that calling a pardon in the ass and exiting the mouth did not lead to the death of the executed. The whole secret lay in a very slow sticking on a sharp stake, in this case the point as if entering between the tissues, parted them almost without damage, only the most tender ones were torn, and the main part was simply stretched and parted to the side (for example, the organs remained unharmed).
        The same effect can be observed with a cut or laceration. a wound cut with a knife cuts through the tissues as they are, damaging including and capellaries, and the lacerated one tears, but they are torn in the weakest places, therefore hanging pieces of meat are obtained but not bleeding. With a shirt, it’s also one thing to cut it with a knife, another thing to hook it with a nail, it will tear in the thinnest places of the thread.
        So the stake has a lot of perspectives in modern legal proceedings.
        1. +1
          October 27 2012
          you are such a connoisseur of this matter wink I’m straight all in admiration. Will you be able to execute the verdict yourself? And you can still quart ... It seems that you can’t do without repressions anymore, it’s a pity the innocent will suffer as usual. Otherwise, we’ll be destroying the country like the USSR. You can minus it, but I CAN’T COME TO PRINCIPLES
        2. +2
          October 27 2012
          Quote: Bashkaus
          So the stake has a lot of perspectives in modern legal proceedings.

          eh, Russia, everything is done through the ass
    2. bask
      +9
      October 27 2012
      Taseka On current corrupt officials, grandfathering methods will not work ((((((they will sell the soul to the devil for a boblo)))))) There is an excellent article in UN Charter No. 20 (Russia has not joined yet) on cost control. The official built a house in 5 lem .. green at an income of 50 thousand rubles ..... Shooting on the spot like in China. Only control of EXPENDITURE can make a difference. And personal control of GDP at least for your environment. There are a lot of millionaires., divorced ((((( on what means))))) ????? When I.S. They turned over Stalin and big means, and everyone, including Joseph Vissarionovich, lived modestly. His summer cottage near Moscow for our current rulers, the chicken coop ,,, and stop riding on German articulated trucks !!! Drive your own. Then, affairs, Magnitsky’s, will not be....
      1. +3
        October 27 2012
        Understand,bask, but it’s very hoootstsa already look at this trash in the cannon and shout loudly - "Well, that bitch, I drank people's blood !!!"
        1. 0
          October 27 2012
          maybe through a sight or a gun muzzle?
      2. Kaa
        +2
        October 27 2012
        Quote: bask
        .Only control of COSTS can make a difference.

        1000 ++++ !.
        Quote: bask
        And personal control of GDP at least for their environment.

        Another thousand +!
        Quote: bask
        When I.S. They turned over Stalin and big means, and everyone, including Joseph Vissarionovich, lived modestly

        And this is true!
        Bribe takers should have the ground burning under their feet, although they write that in China they are not afraid of executions, they still take it, and here, for example, pedophiles know what they will do to them, but all the same ... they climb, so that they should be fined and part of the fine should be paid to the victim, or what? The incorrigible - on the scaffold, there are not so many such reckless people will remain if they are sure of the inevitability of punishment. In the USSR, many could themselves, having stolen, and "black Volga" to buy, but no. could only be white (what a pity), because the words of the OBKHSS were feared like fire, but the OBEP was so-so. And the confiscation of EVERYTHING, no matter which way it was obtained, only for bribes, or partially. Ordnung Huber Alles, there will be excuses for other measures.
  3. +2
    October 27 2012
    Anything was here, but I never read such bullshit on Saturday morning. It reminds me of a privatization program, And it doesn't matter if you are late for the "feeding trough", you will also have your own "gezund styuk gesheft" in the fight against bribes.
  4. 0
    October 27 2012
    Yes, it’s complicated and this will require the work of lawyers, it will take time in the courts, in fact, it will increase the share of bureaucracy in the country. There, the judges will be interested. Easier in tar and feathers, or in manure and feathers. And if the manure is also with maggots ... then you can go fishing right away!
    1. 0
      October 27 2012
      Quote: Oleg147741
      And if the manure is also with maggots ... then you can go fishing right away!
      like a killer whale, and a bribe taker instead of a bait?
  5. +1
    October 27 2012
    Russia is a unique country., And people here are unique, as Zadornov says. We will do from this program: another means of cutting and rolling back, here scientific methods will not work. The execution is not profitable, but hard labor of 25 years will bring more benefits.
  6. Brother Sarych
    +1
    October 27 2012
    It is impossible to do without harsh punishments, the main thing is not to establish a strict plan for planting and execution and not to arrange "socialist competition" in the number of repressed ...
    "Taking" is not very pleasant even for the recipient, especially when in the country giving and receiving a bribe is not considered a common thing! The pleasure of a bribe is very dubious, when THIS is condemned by others, and if it is considered the NORM, the ability to live, then this is already a kind of sport, who is more ...
  7. Owl
    +1
    October 27 2012
    Only FEAR is able to keep many citizens from violating the Law (from theft, from receiving and giving bribes, from treason to the Motherland, from action or inaction leading to grave consequences and death), therefore, all current "power" must be severely and cruelly punished for the destruction of power State, for plundering Russia, for the destruction of the Russian people.
  8. +1
    October 27 2012
    So they scared everyone who gives and who takes. The article is more for complacency in response to the fact that nothing is being done and will not be done regarding this very fight against corruption.
  9. toguns
    +1
    October 27 2012
    feel maybe first you need to defeat domestic corruption ???
    it seems to me that everything is simple, our people are used to it at the lowest level, then these same people become officials or climb much higher, and as they say it went off.
  10. Shumer
    +8
    October 27 2012
    And when it was like that ...
    1. +2
      October 27 2012
      Why do prosecutors live well?
      Because they have good vacation pay!
  11. Anti
    +2
    October 27 2012
    Identify, torture for burial sites, return the loot, send the whole family to the far north with the necessary minimum, let them survive if they want to live. There is no mercy for bribe-takers, as well as who gives bribes.

    Show this whole process on TV !!!
    1. Kaa
      0
      October 27 2012
      Quote: Anti
      , send the whole family to the far north

      Do not litter the north, even Lomonosov used to say "Russia will grow by the North", so such ... growth is not needed. Confiscation of property - and into a tolerant Europe, let them try from scratch all the charm of private entrepreneurship ... together with universal values ​​...
  12. wax
    0
    October 27 2012
    To minimize corruption, it is enough to want to do this to the State Duma, the Federation Council, the Government and the President: a complete seizure of property from the official and his close relatives, a ban on holding government posts for 5 years, and removal from state pension established for government officials. These three measures will be more than enough.
    1. 0
      October 27 2012
      Quote: Wax
      a decision to hold government posts for 5 years, withdrawal from state pension established for government officials. These three measures will be more than enough.
      prohibition without time limit, otherwise it will be like in a joke about the chief accountant - operating mode 1 year after 3
  13. 0
    October 27 2012
    The proposed anti-corruption option could work if, except for the bribe taker and the bribe taker, the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and the prosecutor’s office themselves were not subject to corruption. Otherwise, we get corruption squared.
  14. 0
    October 27 2012
    You can plant at least 500 years, and shoot for a box of chocolates, the point is not in order, but in the inevitability of punishment.

    It is enough to wish to do this to the State Duma, the Federation Council, the Government and the President:

    I wonder who wants to hang himself by the balls? ))))
  15. Stary oper
    +2
    October 27 2012
    I have only one question: why doesn't the rotten West have the same scope of corruption that we have? Or is it the result of our "special" civilizational path?
    1. 0
      October 27 2012
      in the West he is simply called - lobbying for interests
      1. Stary oper
        +1
        October 27 2012
        wasjasibirjac
        "He" is corruption? And lobbyism is far from being corruption.
  16. georg737577
    +1
    October 27 2012
    Quote: bask
    Only expense control can make a difference

    A million times true! Taxation - at ACTUAL expenses! Then you can’t rewrite it to your wife and mother-in-law ... But the count should also not be discarded - as an alternative ..
  17. Gemar
    0
    October 27 2012
    Not qualifying a bribe as a criminal offense

    or still
    bribe giver debt prison up to 5 years


    Many are now smarter - they take bribes only from trusted people. Official can ask foroblige the bribe-giver to informally sponsor the implementation of any state program, for example, repair elevators in entrances. And appropriate budget money to yourself.

    Anecdote:
    An official (C) is sitting in his office, and on the table he has two signs - "WE DO NOT SMOKE HERE" and "I WILL NOT TAKE A BRIBE."
    Entrepreneur (P) comes to his office.
    P: Hello!
    C: Hello!
    P: So, I want to take ownership of the territory, which officially I can’t get well. Can you tell me how I can get the desired property?
    H: (Removing from the table the sign "WE DO NOT SMOKE HERE") Come on, we’ll start smoking with you!
  18. mega_jeka
    +1
    October 27 2012
    In this article, all proposals to combat bribes are complete nonsense! Moreover, the delirium of a sick person!
    One gets the feeling that the article stated options for receiving bribes in a practically legal way. Well, of course, with the necessary changes to the law. But if you get caught .... then oh how bad it will be)))
  19. sergey05
    0
    October 30 2012
    Rave!!! No one in their right mind will slice a chicken laying golden eggs. Why cut a chicken (bribe giver or corum. Official) after the first egg if you can get a golden egg from her every day, because there is no punishment, and resignation is not terrible when you steal billions (enough for bread even without a pension, but they don’t cancel pension, by the way) .

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