“Shifting to the right”: the PD-35 super-high-thrust aircraft engine is delayed

PD-35 model at the International Engine Building Forum-2022. Source: vk.com

Good and not so good news

The presence of its own aviation engine building is a necessary minimum for any sovereign power. As recent events show, it is aviation seems to Western adversaries of Russia the most sensitive industry. Sanctions against air transportation were introduced almost in the first hours of the special operation. Now the country is gradually regaining the competencies in the civil aircraft industry that have been lost in recent decades.

The most “combat-ready” in every sense Perm aircraft engine is the PD-14. In terms of thrust, it loses almost three times to the PD-35. Source: www.ucrus.com

Let's start with the good ones News.

At the end of October, the Moscow International Engine Building Forum took place rather imperceptibly, at which the United Engine Building Corporation played the main violin. We presented a pre-production turbofan PD-14, probably the most long-awaited engine of recent years. The unit, like air, is needed by the domestic aviation industry, primarily for the motorization of passenger MS-21-310 Irkut. Western sanctions expectedly affected the pace of the development of the liner - on the one hand, the timing has shifted to the right, on the other hand, the state has allocated additional funding for the fastest import substitution.

In total, at least eighteen PD-14s have been built, four of which are already operating on a pair of MS-21-310s.

According to the deputy general director of the UEC, academician Alexander Inozemtsev, who is responsible for the work of Perm Motors, now the testing of the aircraft-engine linkage is in full swing, and experimental vehicles often take to the air twice a day. Starting next year, the third Irkut will join the flights.

How quickly it will be possible to put the PD-14 into mass production, time will tell, but one thing is clear for sure - this particular engine is a priority for the state. Not least because of the dual purpose of the aircraft engine. The forced modification of the PD-14M, in addition to the motorization of the "heavy" passenger MS-21-400, is intended for the transport Il-76MD and the promising Il-276.

The first demonstrator of the youngest in the series - PD-8. Source: www.ucrus.com

The successes of the younger brother, the PD-8, intended for the regional passenger SSJ-NEW, are much more modest. By the way, it would be time to abandon the anglicisms in the naming of domestic technology, even if it is designed for foreign buyers. Sukhoi Superjet New, which has been struggling with import substitution for more than one year, it's time to rename it. Maybe the campaign to replace imported units with domestic ones will go more fun.

The main task of the PD-8 is to replace the French PowerJet SaM146 engines in the engine nacelles of the Sukhoi passenger car. Not only is the main unit - the gas generator - manufactured in an unfriendly country, but they do it not in the best way. The rest of the equipment is made in Russia, but it is the French filling that determines the low operational reliability of the Superjet engine.

This alone should have prompted the idea of ​​an early replacement of the motor with a domestic development, in fact, why the PD-8 project appeared. In May 2022, Rostec reported that bench tests of the technology demonstrator were completed. Vladimir Artyakov, First Deputy General Director of the corporation, said:

“Completion of bench tests of the first prototype PD-8 is the most important stage in the development of a new Russian engine for civil aviation, primarily for the imported Superjet 100. Next, tests of individual engine components on autonomous installations are to be carried out. It is also planned to test the engine as part of the Il-76LL flying laboratory and a large complex of engineering and technical calculations. All this is included in the complex of works to confirm the characteristics of the pilot plant to the requirements of the certification basis of the PD-8 engine.”

At the end of October, information appeared about three demonstrators included in the experimental work. But for now, it's still too far off the series.

By the way, right now we need at least 44 aircraft engines annually. A certain positive inspires the widespread use in the PD-8 of units and solutions that are already “flying” on the older PD-14. The technical project of the motor was defended in 2020, and a gas generator was tested in October last year… Tentatively by 2025, we can expect a serial motor. If we talk about the military use of the PD-8, then it is very modest - so far only the remotorization of the Be-200 amphibians.

It should be noted that the new circumstances simply brought down a wave of work on the Perm engine builders, the main developers of the PD-14 family. Designers, for example, bring to mind, together with the Rybinsk "Saturn", the above-mentioned PD-8. And here are the obligations for the giant PD-35.

The most powerful in the country

Everything about this motor is big. Fan diameter 3 100 mm. For comparison: for a PD-8 baby, it is 1 mm, for a PD-220, it is 14 mm. The thrust of the giant PD-1 varies depending on the performance from 900 to 35 tons (some dream of 24 tons).

By the way, neither in the Soviet Union, nor in Russia, gas turbine aircraft engines with a thrust of 35 tons or more were not created at all. The legendary D-18T for Ruslan produced no more than 23,5 tons of thrust. That is, theoretically, a pair of the most powerful “thirty-fifths” with a thrust of forty tons will more than replace four outdated diesel engines on Ruslans, providing a much greater thrust-to-weight ratio.

Only here in Russia there are no clear plans for the recreation of winged heavyweights for the Aerospace Forces, not to mention the development of new generation machines. In many respects, this is precisely why the timing of the mass production of the PD-35 has been shifted to the right - this was stated in an interview with the Rise publication by the above-mentioned academician Alexander Inozemtsev. According to him, the material base of Perm engine builders does not fully meet the new, one might say, extreme demands of the time.

Initially, it was assumed that a test bench for the giant would be built in the Perm Territory in Novye Lyady on a site of 16,6 hectares. The volume of investments was estimated at almost 4 billion rubles, and the launch of the facility itself - by 2023. But those were plans two years ago. Now the tests, which have not yet begun, will be transferred to a site south of Perm in the town of Frola - it turned out to be cheaper.

Moreover, part of the funding from the PD-35 was redirected to other projects. Inozemtsev did not specify which ones specifically, but it is clear that for the development and testing of structures that are created in metal. PD-35, we recall, so far only as a model is presented at the Moscow forum of engine builders. The layout, by the way, is not life-size. The shift to the right in terms of timing is also due to the unclear fate of this heavy-duty motor. The Il-96-400 was considered the most likely carrier of the "thirty-fifth", but the decision to launch its development has not yet been made.

In addition, a 400-seat liner would need an engine boosted to 38 tons of thrust, which is still only on paper. But the heart of the PD-35 aircraft engine, its gas generator, was built last year in the format of a technology demonstrator. In October 2021, Alexander Inozemtsev commented on the event:

“Currently, the gas generator is being tested under standard atmosphere conditions in accordance with the approved program. Tests should confirm the fundamental performance of the gas generator design. In addition, based on their results, it will be possible to evaluate the parameters of the nodes defined by the terms of reference.”

PD-35 model at the International Engine Building Forum-2022. The main highlight of the motor is the composite fan blades. Academician Alexander Inozemtsev, General Designer of UEC-Aviadvigatel JSC, Deputy Director General of UEC for Management of NPK Perm Motors, specified that the transition from a solid titanium blade to a hollow titanium blade made it possible to reduce the mass of the assembly by 30%, and the use of a composite blade will save even more weight. by 30%. Source: vk.com

The hope for the Russian-Chinese wide-body CR929, which should become serial only by the end of this decade, looks weak. With this machine, apparently, great difficulties. Denis Manturov, while still in his position as head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, commented:

“The CR929 process is underway. But taking into account the new inputs, according to the restrictions that exist today in terms of cooperation, which was formed by Chinese partners with the involvement of Western manufacturers, time will have to be spent on restructuring approaches using only Russian and Chinese manufacturers.”

So far, there is no news about the potential carrier of the PD-35, but it has long been known that the favorites for the Chinese when choosing engines are General Electric GEnx and Rolls-Royce Trent. Simply because these products are ready and certified.

The PD-35 is a promising family of aircraft engines that allows raising the domestic aviation industry to a qualitatively new level. First of all, the civil sector. Over the past decades, we have seen a gradual reduction in four-engine layouts - the Boeing-747 and Airbus-380 have been removed from production. No matter how charismatic they looked, they ate fuel immoderately. Especially in comparison with the twin-engine and the same wide-body Boeing-777 with huge General Electric GE90. The parameters are impressive - the diameter is 3,4 meters, the thrust is more than 52 tons. Actually, it is with this unit that the PD-35 should compete, or rather, its promising modifications of the appropriate power.

In the meantime, the plans include the basic PD-35, the demonstrator of which will appear in 2024, and its modifications - PD-38, PD-28 (for a possible successor to Mriya or its lightweight version), PD-24 (for a possible successor to Ruslan) ), as well as options for ground gas pumping stations.

Despite all the skepticism regarding the PD-35, it is worth noting that nowhere earlier in stories engine builders were not engaged in the development of a whole series of high-tech aircraft engines suitable for military and civilian use in such a short time.

By the way, creating a motor for a military aircraft / helicopter is much easier than for a passenger car. Therefore, now you will not envy the engineers and designers of the UEC.

Comments

[Amateur]

Here at VO a few days ago there was a note that an engine for PAK DA was put on bench tests. I wrote in my comment that the Russian Federation will manage without PAK DA for the time being, and all forces must be thrown into engines for civil aircraft and civil aviation in general. For which I received a mountain of "minuses" and indignant comments about what an amateur I am and how everything is fine in our GA.
Gentlemen "specialists" who did not like my opinion will read today's article. I am waiting for the next portion of criticism and indignant accusations of amateurism.

[Civil]

Until they pressed it, they went about their business ... now let's see if there will be production aircraft. For there is no sense in the engines without the aircraft themselves.

[neworange88]

Quote: Civil

Until they pressed it, they went about their business ... now let's see if there will be production aircraft. For there is no sense in the engines without the aircraft themselves.

It turns out well that they pressed.

[Yarik]

"It turns out well that they pressed it" - Judging by the agreements, for example: with the same grain, embezzlers are in a constant state of pressing. It seems that another window dressing is going on with domestic engines and in the next agreement, the heirs of the scum of Chubais and Gaidar will merge these developments with great pleasure.

[Vasily I]

Where are SERIAL aircraft without SERIAL components? Hmm...

[Beetle1991]

There is something about this story that smells like the "May decrees".
As usual, everything has already been developed, tested and soon, that's right in the series.
A great future is here. We have to wait a little more.
And so it is with everything. There is no faith in words and promises. Even if they speak the obvious truth, there will be strong doubts. Immunity to official information has already developed.
And at the expense of shifting the deadlines to the right, it doesn’t happen differently.
It's good if the deadlines are simply shifted to the right. This will be an achievement. Ato if, as with the completed "large-scale rearmament program", it will be another fiasco.

As Chernomyrden said: this has never happened before, and here it is again. So, will everything be as usual again or will they manage / fix it?
Just don't be naive.

[Kuzyakin15]

Beetle 1991:
Well, what did you want, another demonstration exhibit is ready and okay. Now they will be taken to exhibitions and demonstrated. The main funds have been mastered, the engine is in metal, for the record, there is. How many examples do we have in Russia: T14, AFARs, Su57, etc.

[Beetle1991]

In general, you are not a naive person.
Nothing will change

[seacap]

There is a double-edged sword here, the aircraft is also designed for a specific engine, designers "dance" from it, everyone "adjusts" to its characteristics. When there is a long line of engines, there are also a lot of projects, nothing holds back aircraft designers.

[neworange88]

Quote: Amateur

Here at VO a few days ago there was a note that an engine for PAK DA was put on bench tests. I wrote in my comment that the Russian Federation will manage without PAK DA for the time being, and all forces must be thrown into engines for civil aircraft and civil aviation in general. For which I received a mountain of "minuses" and indignant comments about what an amateur I am and how everything is fine in our GA.
Gentlemen "specialists" who did not like my opinion will read today's article. I am waiting for the next portion of criticism and indignant accusations of amateurism.

So forces are already thrown at civil aviation. Why are you unhappy? Timing? Even kittens will not be born so quickly. It takes time. The PD-14 was created for the MS-21-310, the PD-8 is being finished for the SSJ-NEW. The Tu-214 is in mass production right now and there are serial PS-90A engines for it. Thanks to the production of the Tu-214R. Work is also underway on the IL-114-300. Serial Il-96-300 is also in small-scale production, there are also serial engines for them. If there is interest in the Il-96-400M, then it can be launched into a series in the version with four PS-90A1s of 17 kgf each. If the Il-400-96M appears in the version with two PD-400s, then not soon. I don’t understand what your claims are and what you propose. Can you explain? And I can’t understand why the engine of the RF Product, which is being bench tested, interferes with you so much? In my opinion, the experience of developing a RF Product with a thrust of 38-23 tons will only help in developing an engine with similar thrust only for civil aviation, such as the PD-24. By the way, in my opinion, the UEC-Kuznetsov will develop the civil PD-24 after the completion of work on the RF Product. So here one does not interfere with the other, but only helps.

.Samara engine-building company "ODK-Kuznetsov" started developing a gas generator for the 5th generation engine in the thrust class 18-24 tf. The new engine can be used for advanced long-range and military transport aircraft - PAK DA and PAK VTA. Research work is planned to be completed by the end of 2022. The general designer of the company, Pavel Chupin, told about this. The research should end with a deep, in the scope of the technical project, study of the design, including the development of a three-dimensional geometric model, "digital twins" of the gas generator and its main components, assembly units and parts for all basic physical processes. "Perspective The work that we are currently doing is working on a twin-shaft gas generator for next-generation engines. This is a gas generator in the same thrust class as the gas generator for NK-32. The advanced gas generator project is now calculated until the end of 2022," he said. In the future, the new engine can be used for advanced long-range and military transport aircraft," added Pavel Chupin.

https://aviation21.ru/odk-kuznecov-razrabatyvaet-gazogenerator-dlya-novogo-perspektivnogo-dvigatelya/

[bayard]

Quote from: neworange88

.IL-96-400M, if it appears in the version with two PD-38s, it will not be soon.

This is the problem with the PD-35 - there is no carrier for it now. There is not much hope for China, it will do everything to refuse the deal, or to get production out of it, or to agree with England or the USA on the supply of their engines. With the development of a joint wide-body, he already threw us - there will be no joint production, despite the fact that the development was carried out mainly by our designers with 50/50 funding.
Output ?
In fact, there is - to modify the Il-76MD airframe for a twin-engine version, with a desirable increase in the internal section of the fuselage (so that a tank with a body kit can enter freely). As a result, we can quickly get a new BTA aircraft with a payload capacity of at least 60-65 tons, with very good performance in terms of range and economy. On the basis of the same aircraft, you can get a flying tanker for Long-Range Aviation with the possibility of a fuel return of 70-80 tons.
The second option is the revival of the project of the super-heavy aircraft of the VTA class "Mriya" (up to 250 tons with a payload capacity) but not with six, but with four PD-35 engines.
IL-96M-400?
Also an option, but you need a new wing and updating the cabin (including its glazing).
There is another option for using such an engine. Since China refuses joint production, but we still have all the design documentation, why not organize the production of such an aircraft at home?
China will compete?
Well, first of all, it doesn't have an engine. And not for the foreseeable future...
Can England help?
Everything is possible, but China needs these aircraft for its own domestic market, and this domestic demand is huge.
We need much (almost an order of magnitude) fewer such aircraft for the domestic market, but there is also a foreign market.
Which one
Drum roll - Iran! Iran has not been able to renew its air fleet, and the needs there are considerable.
Who else ?
Let's look around... Africa? Including Egypt?
India? With the condition of building a service center there to service such aircraft?
Latin America ? Starting with Cuba and Venezuela?
Yes, and the domestic market needs to be expanded ... say, through the reduction of excise taxes on jet fuel and the development of the airfield network. After all, our country is huge.
But such ambitious programs require WILL, competent and responsible executors (the current vertical cannot give birth to such, we look at the son of Rogozin) and responsibility for the task assigned. Moreover, RESPONSIBILITY is criminal, at the level of "Treason to the Motherland" for disrupting the program and squandering public funds.
And here we have the biggest and unsolvable vertical we have, the trouble is - they are simply NOT ABLE to work for the result ... only for their own pleasure.
That is why we have neither aircraft manufacturing (except for some types of military aviation based on old developments), nor military shipbuilding. Therefore, we will not have either a Fleet or Aviation in our reality.
We urgently need to change reality. The country should be led by people with a clear vision of the future.
A bright future ... not dark fantasy.

[neworange88]

In fact, there is - to modify the Il-76MD airframe for a twin-engine version, with a desirable increase in the internal section of the fuselage

Why modify the Il-76MD when there is a passenger long-haul wide-body Il-2-38M under 96 PD-400 engines? Let it still have 4 engines, but it’s quite possible to modify it for 2 PD-38 engines. And about the military transport Il-76MD, I still don’t understand why a military transport aircraft fight for efficiency, because reliability is the main thing for it, but for you need to leave 4 old engines for this, or you want to make a passenger wide-body from the military transport Il-76MD, but why when you can remotorize under 2 PD-38 Il-96-400M?

Since China refuses joint production, but we still have all the design documentation, why not organize the production of such an aircraft at home?
China will compete?

China will not compete in any way for the simple reason that it will not let us into its aircraft market, and we will not let it into our aircraft market. 96-400M.

[bayard]

Quote from: neworange88

I still don’t understand why a military transport aircraft is fighting for efficiency, because reliability is the main thing for it, and for this you need to leave 4 old engines or do you want to make a passenger one from a military transport Il-76MD

No, I'm just considering a promising transport, and not just a military transport aircraft, which will have a much larger niche in the air transportation market than a 4-engine military aircraft. In addition, engines for passenger aircraft have much greater reliability, efficiency and resource than engines for exclusively military aircraft, so a twin-engine VTA aircraft will not be inferior in reliability and performance to the same four-engine aircraft, but there will be greater unification and, as a result, a decrease in operational costs and simplification in logistics. And a more economical 2-engine transport (and military transport) aircraft will be more in demand by transport companies around the world, will have a shorter payback period and will become an incentive to purchase passenger aircraft with the same engines, for greater convenience in servicing your fleet, many airlines. We need to look ahead comprehensively. The appearance of a transport aircraft with a convenient ramp and economical PD-35 will become additional incentives to acquire a new Russian wide-body aircraft of Russian-Chinese development.
And one more thing - it is the new wide-body that needs to be launched into the series, because it is more modern and promising, and also has an optimal capacity (280+ passengers). With him, some cooperation with China on components is also possible. And as a larger wide-body, you can also launch a modernized Il-96, with a new wing and cockpit.
Too much for one country?
I don’t think - you need to look at things wider and further - forward. Russia is already growing with new lands and people, the domestic market in the Russian Federation will grow, and an active foreign policy should promote the promotion of our high value-added goods to the foreign market. It is difficult to come up with a more promising product than civil aviation aircraft. This must become a driver for the entire domestic industry, all industries and science. And for this we have almost everything you need. And what is missing, it is necessary to revive for the sake of this future. And by redirecting (say) our aviation titanium to the needs of our own aviation industry, we will be able to refuse our competitors from Boeing and Airbus with a pure heart, which will create considerable difficulties for competitors and this will help us promote our own product to foreign markets.
If ambitious, competent and forward-looking leaders are (or appear) at the head of the state, then this / these programs will become such a driver and impetus for the growth of our economy, which we can only dream of. For Russia will be able, thanks to them (these programs), to introduce to the market a whole line of highly competitive aircraft:
- a line of medium-haul MS-21,
- a line of wide-body long-haul aircraft with PD-35,
- Il-96M-400 with PD-38,
- transport \ military transport aircraft based on the Il-76MD with PD-35, with a carrying capacity of up to 70 tons.
I won’t write about smaller and more exclusive ones, here we have much less chances, and the main problem here is the engines. But if this misfortune is overcome, then in the light and turboprop class, we, too, may eventually have something for the external market ... In the meantime, not for the domestic market either.
IL-96 with PD-38 is interesting only as a larger aircraft for 400 \ 400+ passengers, but here the niche is not so great. But she should not be neglected either, since the plane, although not in a series, but in some kind of piece production, is quite likely to be made.

Quote from: neworange88

China will not compete in any way for the simple reason that it will not let us into its aircraft market, and we will not let it into its aircraft market.

So it is necessary to finish the project and disperse, taking all the technical documentation, but leaving the possibility for industrial cooperation, if China is interested in such. Let's say in the supply of our engines, composite wings and tail unit. If not, we build at home. And first of all - FOR YOURSELF. For the first 10-15 years, production will be loaded with internal orders, and then external customers will catch up. But an external customer should never be given priority. Glanoe - domestic market. And if the product turns out to be good (and it must be good), then there will be no problems with deliveries to external customers. So did the USSR and a third of the world flew on our planes.

[Jonny_Su]

If you haven't seen it, check out the Il-96-500-T project. With unification with the IL-96-400, a niche for large engines on the same platform is possible.

[bayard]

Thank you, I saw it before but did not delve into it, now I refreshed it. But ... All things being equal, I would prefer a transport aircraft with a comfortable rear ramp and a high wing.
But the IL-96-500T is still an ersatz for lack of a more convenient option. And for the suspension of huge PD-38s, it will be necessary to seriously do something with the wing and raise / make the chassis higher.
And there will be very high requirements for WFP.
But the slightly enlarged fuselage of the Il-76MD and its high wing are just perfect for the PD-38 ... a kind of scaled model of the Il-276. And buying such twin-engine transporters will be much more fun and willing not only for the armies of friendly and neutral countries, but also for their transport and postal airlines. And in large numbers. Remember the international success of the IL-76. A twin-engine transporter with a carrying capacity of 70 tons and fuel consumption is seriously less than the old Il-76 ... this is worth a lot.
And it will be hard to compete with that.
That's just the fuselage to expand a little ... and you can slightly lengthen 70 tons of cargo, this is not 40-50 tons in previous versions, it needs space.
And you can also revive the production of "Mriya" on four PD-35 \ 38, and then it will be possible to carry goods of any size. If not in the cargo compartment, then on the external pylons - from above, like the Buran or the fuel tank of the Energia launch vehicle.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: bayard

Quote from: neworange88

.IL-96-400M, if it appears in the version with two PD-38s, it will not be soon.

This is the problem with the PD-35 - there is no carrier for it now. .

It can make PD-35 ... 45, 55 ... Prepare all the documentation and equip aircraft engine plants with the necessary machines and production lines, and then the designers will catch up - having an engine ready for serial production, it will be easier to design an aircraft.
To this day, the main problem of the Soviet-Russian aircraft industry is lack of suitable engines - the plane is being designed, but there are no suitable engines, you have to make do with what is available - the production of motors has always lagged behind and lags behind the design plans.
You can recall the SU-57 and the "engines of the second stage" ... - the glider was made, but where are the "super engines"?

[bayard]

Quote: cat Rusich

You can recall the SU-57 and the "engines of the second stage" ... - the glider was made, but where are the "super engines"?

It was almost always like this - the Su-27 was also at first without an engine and the first versions were equipped with the AL-21F (from the Su-24).
The PD-35 was supposed to begin bench testing, but there is no carrier for it. But this is if you rely on joint production with the Chinese. And they don't want to. They want only for themselves.
But who said that we cannot organize the production of this aircraft at home?? We developed it, we have all the technical documentation, the engine, wings, tail unit and a number of other systems are ours, the rest is joint property with China. So we can launch its production here.
FOR MYSELF !!!
And there for other customers, because we have engines, but China does not have its own. If the Yankees and Angles break off, we can help China with our PD-35s and make money for ourselves.
Making an engine is a must.
It is NECESSARY to build an airplane - at home!
Therefore, in no case should work on the engine be frozen.
But who, in hands-on-management, heeds the voice of reason?

[SincerityX]

Yes, in fact, one does not interfere with the other, most likely the designers of the engine for the PAK separately, the designers of turbofan passenger engines separately.
In general, I would transfer short-medium aviation to impellers, I think the savings would be very significant, since our electricity is cheap. Lithium is only very expensive, damn it

[neworange88]

The designers of different engine-building enterprises, not separately, but together, participate in the development of the project of one or another engine, where each is responsible for his part of the work. And the development of the RF Product is no exception here. Here is confirmation. This allows you to evenly distribute the load between design bureaus and develop engines faster.

. - Today, the work of not only the Kuznetsov designers, but the teams of the leading design bureaus of the UEC enterprises working on the project together with us has received recognition. An array of necessary documentation has been developed, production is being prepared. Prototypes of the engine are now being tested, - said the general designer of the plant Pavel Chupin.

https://www.samara.kp.ru/online/news/4981923/

[SincerityX]

I work at an enterprise with KB. So, the peculiarity is that the design bureau employees work in different directions. In joint development, the employees of the Design Bureau of Enterprise "A" Department, for example, turbofan engines with a centrifugal evaporation chamber, work together with the employees of the Design Bureau of Enterprise "B", the department of turbofan engines with a centrifugal evaporation chamber. At the same time, the department of ramjet engines practically does not touch their developments.

The names are given purely for example, in order to create an understanding of how departments are usually called in kb.

[Genry]

Quote: Amateur

I wrote in my comment that the Russian Federation will manage without PAK DA for the time being, and all forces must be thrown into engines for civil aircraft and civil aviation in general.

Better yet, "give all the money to pensioners."
In your opinion, it is urgent to abandon the implementation of all defense projects and rivet a happy peaceful future.
You have problems with priorities. Then you will shout: "where are our combat UAVs", or rather strategists.

[TIR]

I agree with you. It is better to make civilian engines, and on their basis already military ones with minor modifications. Than vice versa. The same PD-14 in many respects is much superior to its competitors. The main thing is not to rush the engineers, but to help them in everything. Going to meeting. Solve all problems, including family financial. Developer support should be constant! So that people go headlong into work

[Lech from Android.]

Hollande screwed up with the Mistrals... and who screwed up with the French gas analyzers?
Heh heh ... how many times they said in VO not to get involved with French suppliers of key components and technologies .... they will plant a pig ... now we are disentangling the consequences.
I would have imprisoned those who did this ... the damage to the state is multibillion ... primarily in the current lag in the development of our own engine building.
Our favorite game is stepping on a rake and getting bumps in the forehead.
.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I would put those who did this in jail ... the damage to the state is multibillion ...

Are you Alexey, this is the team of our Supreme Commander!

[Ka-52]

Are you Alexey, this is the team of our Supreme Commander!

it is not your Supreme. Your Supreme Zelensky, Navalny, Biden or an ideological fighter for the rights of game minorities - US Vice President Harris

[paul3390]

our Supreme!

We have only one Supreme - this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

All the rest - up to a similar title, and even with a capital letter - do not even reach close ..

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Hollande screwed up with the Mistrals... and who screwed up with the French gas analyzers?
Heh heh ... how many times they said in VO not to get involved with French suppliers of key components and technologies .... they will plant a pig ... now we are disentangling the consequences.
I would have imprisoned those who did this ... the damage to the state is multibillion ... primarily in the current lag in the development of our own engine building.
Our favorite game is stepping on a rake and getting bumps in the forehead.
.

Mikhail Aslanovich Poghosyan in those days was engaged in and lobbied for everything imported for the Superjet, we know the results and still cannot disentangle.

[Ka-52]

Poghosyan was a pragmatist, not a populist like you. He had a choice - either to sit and wait for development, localized production and certification and get a short-haul in 8-10 years, or take cooperation equipment and get it now. There will be cries of populists in both cases (either "where are our planes ?!" or "and the plane is made from busurman parts!"), but the plane - there are options. In the short term, Poghosyan was right; in the long term, he was wrong. Everything is relative

[komvap]

Your Poghosyan is a pest and an enemy.
And there are plenty of them in the Russian Federation at the top.

[Ka-52]

Your Poghosyan is a pest and an enemy.

Well, with the "pest" Poghosyan, they created the Su-35. What have you done for the country? Crowing in tyrnet please do not cite as an argument
I don't think I can expect an objective answer from you.

[Lech from Android.]

You might think you are objectivity itself.

[Ka-52]

no need to pose as touchy Manya. Any monkey can throw poo at a person, but only a person can substantiate his statement. And not cowardly to merge under the plinth.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Ka-52

no need to pose as touchy Manya. Any monkey can throw poo at a person, but only a person can substantiate his statement. And not cowardly to merge under the plinth.

Calm down, comrade ... calmer ... of course, from the bronze pedestal you know better where the plinth with the monkey and the poop sat down.
I didn’t say anything bad about Poghosyan ... I don’t have materials on his wrecking and subversive activities and I have no right to judge him.
Empty it all.

[ramzay21]

Well, with the "pest" Pogosyan, they created the Su-35.

The upgraded Su-27 with PFAR and ditched the finished fifth-generation MiG-1.44 aircraft, the 4+ generation MiG-35 with AFAR, ditched Tupolev along with completely domestic Tu-204 and Tu-334 and ...... returned to a broken trough with 80% by imported aircraft and a collapsed aviation industry.
Amazing achievements!

[Ka-52]

Upgraded Su-27 with PFAR and ruined the finished fifth-generation MiG-1.44 aircraft

You can't read any further than this nonsense.

[ramzay21]

You can't read any further than this nonsense.

But in vain, maybe at least learn something real instead of gibberish

[Ka-52]

on your delirium, let the Aesculapius from psychiatry learn and improve their knowledge. Did you even understand what you wrote? Or, as they torn from the training manual, did they shoot it here?

[ramzay21]

In your reality, the Su-35, perhaps a plane built from scratch, which has no analogues in the world, and Pogosyan is a sluggish aircraft designer, so can you enlighten us for what merits in your reality, even our government, which forgives all failures, kicked him in the ass with his knee and did not make him a hero aircraft builder ? Well, I'm so clean neighing

[ramzay21]

Balabol, Mig1.44, back in the late 90s, died from a lack of funding for development.

So he died that he took off in 2000 and was buried by the efforts of the swindler Poghosyan, because of whom 10 years were lost?

Thanks to your communist party that destroyed the Soviet Union

My Communist Party created everything that now flies, drives and shoots at the front, and 95% of all these weapons were produced in the USSR. What else is being done is done on the remnants of what was built in the USSR.
And what did your government make of what is now at the front in 32 years? And what factories did she build instead of the thousands demolished by her?

[Ka-52]

So died that took off in 2000

if you had even a drop to think before writing, you would know that his rise did not mean anything in principle. All the 90s it was collected only thanks to enthusiasm. There was no money for normal tests, calculations and fine-tuning of systems. And Pogosyan had nothing to do with it - he did not have a printing press at hand.

My Communist Party

What means "my"? We have the owner of the Communist Party of the USSR! Well, then maybe you, if not a coward (but most likely a coward), will answer for the act of YOUR party:
1. provoked a civil war. The number of victims killed, died of disease and starvation - from 6 to 10 million according to various estimates.
2. mediocre actions provoked the famine of the 30s. The number of victims from hunger and related epidemics is about 3 million.
3. allowed the deployment of total terror against the citizens of the USSR during the repressions. In just 2 years (1937-138), about 700 thousand people were shot for political reasons. citizens. Mortality in some labor camps reached 25% per year (worldwide only in Nazi Germany - 45%, and then at the end of WW2)
3. The level of well-being of Soviet citizens before the war was beggarly. But having improved by the 60s of the last century, it was still 20% lower than in advanced countries. And even lower than in today's Russia.
4. allowed the adoption of the "perestroika" program, which led to the collapse of the state's economy and the impoverishment of millions of citizens of the USSR.
5. As a result of the loss of administrative and managerial ties, it provoked the growth of separatist sentiments in the republics and the subsequent collapse of the USSR.
so come on, tell us tales about the "great and mighty", talker

created everything that now flies, drives and shoots at the front, and 95% of all these weapons were produced in the USSR.

and when you write this, do you remember that YOUR party almost rotted Korolev, Tupolev and Polikarpov in the camp barracks on fake charges? When you yell "we were the first in space!" you think that Sergei Pavlovich survived not thanks to your party, but thanks to the help of other prisoners, chance and the impending war.

What else is being produced is done on the remnants of what was built in the USSR.

do you think that in the Great Patriotic War 2/3 of the small arms were produced in tsarist Russia? And 85% of the machine park for the production of weapons (from open-hearth furnaces to lathes for turning barrels) was either still the legacy of "damned tsarism" or was it purchased from no less damned bourgeois? And if not for Lend-Lease, would the victory in the Second World War be 20 times more bloody and more distant?

And what factories did she build instead of the thousands demolished by her?

all these factories worked only thanks to subsidies. As soon as subsidies stopped (due to the fact that the CPSU ruined the economy of the USSR), these factories immediately went bankrupt, people went to peace. So it is necessary to ask you for them.
All these blablablas of your manuals are already so rubbed and hackneyed that they only cause laughter.

[ramzay21]

What does "mine" mean?

Mine means that I share the values ​​and achievements of the communist pariah.
And why did you put on your profile picture and took the name of a helicopter created by the communists? You then be consistent and decommunize, get rid of everything that was created by the communists.
Or can you only grind with your tongue, daredevil?

1. It is absolutely certain that your whites unleashed the Civil War, they also dragged the armies of 14 states into our country, which killed the very millions you write about. So these victims are on the conscience of your bandits.
2. With fairy tales about the Holodomor and 3 million dead, you will cry together and suffer, maybe up to 500 million victims will agree with them.
3. With repressions there, you can take with you all your anti-Soviet liberals and do not forget to capture Saakashvili and Shevardnadze. Their relatives also suffered from repression.
3. It was before the revolution that our country was the most uneducated and with the highest mortality in Europe, with a life expectancy of 32 years and medicine inaccessible to ordinary people. Yes, and it was impossible to eat under the tsars, very many ate their fill for the first time only under the USSR.
And the USSR canceled grocery cards earlier than Britain.
4. About perestroika, this is for your under-repressed anti-Soviet, it was the under-repressed Gorbachev with the Government, which consisted of relatives of the repressed, that destroyed the USSR and took revenge on the communists. So these are your heroes, not mine.
5. Anti-Soviet = Russophobe. It is your descendants of the repressed who put anti-Soviet and descendants of the repressed in the leadership of the republics, and all claims are against them.

YOUR party almost rotted Korolev, Tupolev and Polikarpov in the camp barracks on fake charges?

It was under the power of my party that they put Korolev and not Rogozin in charge of the space program, it was under my party that the talented Tupolev and not the son of Rogozin were appointed to lead the Tupolev Design Bureau and factories. And Tupolev got into the barracks deservedly and on business, and it is a pity that he was not put there when he was carried away again in the late 50s.

When you yell "we were the first in space!" you think that Sergei Pavlovich survived not thanks to your party,

I heard your whining about "they planted the Queen." And why, for 30 years, your government has not been able to find and put in charge at least something as talented as Korolev, Tupolev, Likhachev or Yakovlev? Why are rogues like Chubais or Chemezov running everything in your government? And why is the vast majority of talented people not allowed to break through the dominance of mediocrity in your government and all the talents leave the country?
Or are the communists still bothering you?

do you think that in the Great Patriotic War 2/3 of the small arms were produced in tsarist Russia?

To be honest, I had a higher opinion of your knowledge.
Tsarist Russia produced about 8 million Mosin rifles.
And PPSh produced 6 million, plus 2 million PPS plus 1,6 million SVT, which is already much more than Mosin rifles were produced under the tsar. But even the USSR produced 29 million Mosin rifles, of which 12 million during the Second World War and only because the war began.
At the same time, the Red Army began to rearm with a better SVT, and if it were not for the war, then in 1941 alone the USSR would have produced 1,8 million SVT and in 1942 already 2 million, while many units on the western border had already re-equipped with SVT.

So do not invent fairy tales about your king.

[Ka-52]

And why did you put on your profile picture and took the name of a helicopter created by the communists?

Well, firstly, there is my personal contribution to the creation of this helicopter, and not some mythical communists. And Worth, tell me what kind of Vlad did you make in the creation of the Soviet fleet? How many ships were built, designed?
1. no "absolutely established". The White movement arose solely in response to the actions of the Bolsheviks to seize power. So there is no need to tell fairy tales here.
2. what does xoxly have to do with it? Is famine in the Volga region and Kazakhstan also xoxly? Does your knowledge of the history of your own state go beyond manuals?
3. that is, the reports of the GPU, the NKVD and the MGB, the data of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs are all lies? What is not a lie? Your blablabla?
4. again your stupid lies. Russia before the revolution was in general in the pan-European dynamics. About 30% of the inhabitants of the central provinces were literate. Question: how were the problems with education and mortality solved in Europe and America? After all, neither in the USA, nor in France, nor in Germany was there not only Lenin, but even the Bolsheviks. Something I don’t see them there in the state of Neanderthals.
As for "eating up" - my parents told me how before the war they cooked quinoa in the villages, and I had to work starting from the age of 14.
5. You, chatterbox, include both the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU and both congresses of the CPSU as "anti-Soviet under-repressed"? That is, all the delegates of both congresses who adopted the perestroika program were traitors? Lord, a companion in the ward appeared in the mentally ill Irina Tatra
6. Soviets - political power, Russian - nation. Which side did you put the = sign between them, taking into account the fact that the members of the Communist Party were less than 6,5% of the total number of citizens????

And Tupolev got into the barracks deservedly and on business, and it is a pity that he was not put there when he was carried away again in the late 50s.

all scoundrels usually write like that. Just how interesting can one be proud of the Soviet Air Force and Tu-16, Tu-95, Tu-22 aircraft, if one considers their creator a traitor? Truly, if God wants to punish a person, he deprives him of his mind: / So you really think that Tupolev was a member of French intelligence?

And why is the vast majority of talented people not allowed to break through the dominance of mediocrity in your government and all the talents leave the country?

Sikorsky didn't leave? And the inventor of the TV Zworykin? And the great chemist Ipatiev? And the famous physicist Gamow? Do you know who invented the VCR? Russian emigrant scientist Alexander Poniatov. Yes, I can rewrite the names of scientists who fled from Bolshevism for an hour. But those who did not run away - the executed Academician Vavilov, the executed Academician Ignatovsky, the executed Academician Glushko, the executed Professor Chanyshev, the executed genetic scientist Karpechenko, the executed Professor Beneshevich, and so on and so forth, there are hundreds more surnames .....

[ramzay21]

Well, firstly, there is my personal contribution to the creation of this helicopter, and not some mythical communists.

This helicopter, or rather the Ka-50 from which it was created, was made in the Soviet country of the USSR, with the money of the USSR, by the communist Kamov and his team.
If you somehow participated in its creation, then you received money for it and did not invest your own, so yours is not in it.

no "absolutely installed". The White movement arose solely in response to the actions of the Bolsheviks to seize power. So there is no need to tell fairy tales here.

Didn't the whites seize power in February? Or is it different?
And did the whites drag the armies of 14 states to fry kebabs or shoot at the Russian people?
My great-grandmother told me about the atrocities of white thugs in their village in Siberia, so look for more naive ones, I know what and how it happened.
1-3 the usual anti-Soviet and Russophobic demagoguery mixed with lies. You to Ukrainians with this, they have a very popular topic.

Russia before the revolution was in general in the pan-European dynamics.

My great-grandmother went to Likbez at the age of 30 and somehow learned to read. In their village there was one literate person for the whole village, he could write and read. So leave these stories for the very stupid and naive.
And for your information. Before the population of the USSR became literate under Stalin, more money was allocated for education than for defense. Now less is allocated for education than for the leadership of the country, as it was under the tsar.

you, chatterbox, include both the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU and both congresses of the CPSU as "anti-Soviet under-repressed"?

It will be very useful for you, as an anti-Soviet Russophobe, to listen to an appeal to that Russophobic congress of the group of Heroes of the Soviet Union, which was read out by Ivan Kozhedub, Thrice Hero of the Soviet Union. He said everything there, and about people like you too.

all scoundrels usually write like that. Just how interesting can one be proud of the Soviet Air Force and Tu-16, Tu-95, Tu-22 aircraft, if one considers their creator a traitor?

If you have enough mind only to put up labels, then I feel sorry for you.
About what Tupolev was imprisoned for, I wrote above and I never said that he was mediocre, but in the 30s he pulled all the funding and all the designers onto himself and for several pre-war years important for the country's defense did not give anything away, for that he planted, at that time quite deservedly.

Sikorsky didn't leave?

Eka the problem left Sikorsky who hated the mob, so what? My ancestors were the very mob whom your Sikorsky did not consider people, therefore I definitely do not need him.
Under the tsar we had Sikorsky, but under the tsar we would have neither Tupolev, nor Ilyushin, nor Yakovlev, nor Antonov, nor Sukhoi, nor Mikoyan and Gurevich, nor Lavochkin, nor Mil, nor Queen, nor Beriev. As you can see, arithmetic is not at all in favor of the kings.

[Ka-52]

If you somehow participated in its creation, then you received money for it and did not invest your own, so yours is not in it

Of course, only the CPSU did everything. We didn't do anything

Didn't the whites seize power in February? Or is it different?

well, then the pattern is even better visible: the bourgeois revolution → the armed Bolshevik revolution as a response to the bourgeois revolution → the white movement as a response to the Bolshevik revolution. What's amazing?

My great-grandmother told me about the atrocities of white thugs in their village in Siberia,

and I don't whitewash whites. They ruined my great-uncle with ramrods. But I also praise the Reds - they walked very well through my family in the late 20s.

To you as an anti-Soviet Russophobe

I don't care about the stupid hanging of signs in the form of "anti-Soviet". I am for the truth in history. And not for the stupid, moth-eaten propaganda clichés of the times of the USSR. Which I crammed in my youth, as a VVAUL cadet. But the attempt to attribute Russophobia to me is ignorant and naive).

About what Tupolev was imprisoned for, I wrote above

once again I ask directly - do you still think that he was an agent of French intelligence and was in an anti-Soviet terrorist cell ???

As you can see, arithmetic is not at all in favor of the kings.

you translate everything to kings. And forget about people. Here you have a bad Sikorsky, you see, he left. So why do you consider his departure normal, but you yourself write "and all the talents leave the country?"

we would not have had Tupolev under the tsar,

you consider him a scoundrel, like the Queen) you decide whether they are talents or scoundrels. And then it shakes you back and forth

[ramzay21]

once again I ask directly - do you still think that he was an agent of French intelligence and was in an anti-Soviet terrorist cell ???

I am very glad that you finally became polite and switched to you.
If his connection with French intelligence and a terrorist cell had been established, then he would have been put up against the wall, in accordance with article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. And since he was imprisoned, he was imprisoned for other reasons and sat well deservedly.
But he was again entrusted with design bureaus and factories, and he again began to work, until at the end of the 50s he again began to weave intrigues, as a result of which he shoved his plane instead of Myasishchev's much better aircraft, ruining Myasishchev's design bureau at the same time.

You consider him a scoundrel, like the Queen) you decide whether they are talents or scoundrels. And then it shakes you back and forth

And that a talented person cannot be a scoundrel? Tupolev was very talented, but he also committed a lot of meanness and carried him well.

[Ka-52]

If his connection with French intelligence and a terrorist cell had been established, then he would have been put up against the wall, in accordance with article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.

don’t write your speculations as facts (at the height of the repressions (37-38gg) in political 58st, a million people were arrested a year, but only 1/3 of them were shot. The rest calmly went to cut down forests or peck the ground with a pick. years, the number of people shot was significantly lower. So the chances for those accused of counter-revolutionary activities were still more likely to get their 10-15 years with a loss of rights than to be shot. All Tupolev's "crimes" that he was charged with fall under the definition of "abuse of official powers". That is, a maximum of 6 months under Article 109 of the Criminal Code of 1926. And not 15 years under Article 58

And that a talented person cannot be a scoundrel? Tupolev was very talented, but he also committed a lot of meanness and carried him well.

we are discussing meanness that falls under the Criminal Code of the RSFR/USSR.

[PPD]

Was the Su 35 not built on the Su 27?
Pogosyan is generally past here.

[Genry]

Quote: PPD

Pogosyan is generally past here.

Then, the entire management of the Sukhoi Design Bureau was carried out by Poghosyan.
He spun with the development and production of new aircraft and the search for domestic and foreign customers. It was by evaluating his activity that the planes were bought by India and ...
Design Bureau Sukhoi simply survived, although others almost collapsed.

[PPD]

Let me disagree.
Sukhoi survived because in 91 (if memory serves), maybe in 92 it was decided from fighters to rely on SU.
And rightly so, in my opinion.
Mig was sad.
But without denying the contribution of Poghosyan, su 27 he is one of the participants.
His is the Dry Superjet - an extremely controversial development - it’s not new about ways to promote.
Yes, and he did not win the competition, like su 27.
So that....
And when, then? If he was credited with su 34 or su 57. I agree, with reservations. In so...

[Genry]

Quote: PPD

Sukhoi survived because in 91 (if memory serves), maybe in 92 it was decided from fighters to rely on SU.

MiG and now they are trying to produce large-scale. Those. you came up with a solution.

Quote: PPD

His is the Dry Superjet - an extremely controversial development - it’s not new about ways to promote.

Controversial in what, what was ahead of in many technical solutions for this class of aircraft?
Name a similar foreign one.
And "promotion" was profitable only in the MS-21 niche.

Quote: PPD

Yes, and he did not win the competition, like su 27.

Hello!
There was just a competition, but the Tu-334 was a primitive trimming of the Tu-204, to which, in the tail, they wanted to screw fan-fan engines, but they were embarrassed with them and, without altering the design, they shoved Ukrainian D-436s.

[Sergei_tactics]

But there is a clear version on the topic why we do not operate the Su-27, and since it is so wonderful and the Su35 is not needed?

[ramzay21]

Everything is simple. The Su-35 is one of the upgrades of the Su-27, whose engines and avionics began to be developed in the 80s, and it is quite natural that the Su-35, being a more modern version of the Su-27, was noticeably superior to the Su-27.
And they gave names to modifications of the Su-27, such as the Su-35 and Su-30, in order to portray the alleged creation of a new aircraft, which in fact was not.
Soviet and American aircraft manufacturers did not suffer from such garbage, because they simply have the F-15 analogue of the Su-27, that the analogue of our Su-30SM2 F-15EX is still called the F-15, but with different letters. The same thing happened with Soviet aircraft.

[alexoff]

Some experts believe that old aircraft were written off so that the share of new aircraft was higher in numbers

[SavranP]

Allow me to add. In fact, for the first time in the Russian aviation industry, when designing, modern CAD was used. Since the French were involved, apparently CATIA was used. The designers of the Sukhoi Design Bureau got the opportunity to master the most modern, at that time, CAD, to evaluate its merits. Increasing the speed and quality of design, getting rid of routine work. Transition to paperless technology. And when the modern Russian aviation industry copes with the increased volume of work, Pogosyan also has a considerable merit in this.

[Ka-52]

I would go to jail for whoever did this...

Oh, how "pleasant" are such populist commentators and comments. You do not know the essence, but you climb with such categorical comments.

[Lech from Android.]

Maybe I don't know... but I know the consequences of figures working on the principle after us even a flood.
And as a citizen of Russia, it was unpleasant for me, as a citizen of Russia, to observe the collapse of our civil aviation since the 90s ... when our TU 154, IL86, YAK42, YAK40 (I often flew them on business trips) began to be sent to the trash heaps, and Boeings and Airbuses were bought instead of them .. .thus sponsoring our worst enemy.
You are good too ... you can’t offer anything better than buying imported parts without developing your own production, your own machine tool industry and much more.
Yes, even trying to shut the mouth of those who are dissatisfied with this.

[Ka-52]

Yes, even trying to shut the mouth of those who are dissatisfied with this.

I have never taken it upon myself to shut up those who write nonsense. This is not a daunting task.
You know, the world is neither white nor black. It's full of compromises. For example, in order to economically recapture the production of any engine, a production volume is required that is twice the demand of the Russian fleet. Which exit? That's right - export. And in order to export, you must at least obtain EASA certification. That costs several tens of millions of dollars and long-term developments. Further, the production volumes of engines at existing facilities allow for the production of, for example, 40 engines per year. Where to produce the remaining 350? It is necessary to mobilize production, build new workshops, and purchase equipment. According to the most conservative estimate - at least 3 years, or even 5. And the engines are needed now, and not in 5 years. And that's just the engines. And avionics is no better. It turns out that there are two ways - "here and now" and "someday". I'm not saying which is better and which is worse. Above, I already wrote to a friend - in the short term, the French GG was a forced and correct decision. Because he gave the plane back in the middle of the last decade, and not 10 years later. I’ll tell you frankly - I am an ardent opponent of the 3,14ndos, you can curse them along with the French and the British, but in the wild Yeltsin times it was they who, with their cooperation, and not you and not other jingoistic patriots, partly saved our aircraft industry.

[Lech from Android.]

What you said is not new.
There has always been a war in the world for sales markets ... for some reason in our country they decided not to bother with this matter and decided that the position of an aborigine buying beads in exchange for gold is better ... than to produce goods himself.
I agree about the world ... it is not white and not black ...
but you have already divided it into stupid and smart people, into jingoistic patriots and someone else ... there is already a contradiction in your words.
Not all the same smart advanced Einsteins like you ... give people the opportunity to express nonsense so that there is something to compare with the smart thoughts of prominent personalities.

[Ka-52]

for some reason in our country they decided not to bother with this matter and decided that the position of an aboriginal buying beads in exchange for gold is better ... than to produce goods himself.

and you know how to do without such thoughtless statements? Well, firstly, we received not beads, but an airplane. Can you suggest an alternative. Let's start with the fact that you omit the blablabla and write - what plan would you propose based not on "I will write that everything is gone, I will collect likes", but on the basis of objectivity. Let's imagine you in Fedorov's place. Your actions?

but you have already divided it into stupid and smart people ... a contradiction is already observed in your words.

learn not to lie at least on trifles) I did not call you stupid. As well as other opponents.

[Ka-52]

I see that as soon as the logical question “what would you do in this situation” arises, then respected opponents quietly crawl away from the dialogue. It's a pity...

[Lech from Android.]

What would I do, you wouldn't like it...
I have a reference point for someone to look up to ...
This is Comrade Stalin.
I really liked how he methodically and systematically carried out work on the industrialization of the country, practically tearing it away from the plow ... and all this in the most severe conditions of sanctions from our enemies ... this topic is very extensive and cannot be described in a nutshell.

[2 Level Advisor]

so, the direction of thought seems to be correct, but at the time of the decision on the French engine, Stalin's times and the USSR - there were no similar possibilities .. but given the fact that we still don’t have engines for the same SSJ, then if our engines had been waiting, the plane would not have flown today .. Andrey is right here .. About the Tu-204 that was ruined - a disaster, but of course it didn’t depend on Pogosyan / Fedorov, but rather on Rostec .. and capitalism now - they didn’t particularly want to take the less profitable Tu-204 companies .. but who allowed, at the same time, the purchase and import of used Boeings with Airbuses, the question is there ..

[Genry]

Quote: Lech from Android.

There has always been a war in the world for sales markets ... for some reason in our country they decided not to bother with this matter and decided that the position of an aborigine buying beads in exchange for gold is better ... than to produce goods himself.

Yeltsin imprisoned the Gaidars, Chubais, Kudrins, Siluanovs. Someone was dug out, someone continues to block the development of the economy.
Now, when conducting the NMD, they began to squeeze them hard - Western patrons are not up to them.
The key rate of the Central Bank will be reduced to one percent and ruble loans will be used to develop...

Quote: Lech from Android.

Not all the same smart advanced Einsteins like you ... give people the opportunity to express nonsense so that there is something to compare with the smart thoughts of prominent personalities.

Have you already been given here, or have you not reached it yet?

[SincerityX]

"It's not so clear cut." In fact, ears grow even in the USSR, where almost all the important production of components and parts was carried out in the republics, which overnight became, if not enemies, then many of them are definitely not friends. And after that, hostility only grew, it was suddenly forgotten that industries were developing there, factories and institutions were built, the cultivation of the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe "yoke" over them by the unfortunate ones, where they were exploited, began. Although if it were not for the USSR, many republics would still have GDP only in the form of livestock or fish.
Even Europe is now beginning to realize that if it were not for Russia and the USSR, they would have lived at the level of semi-rural collective farms. And if it weren’t for the vile UWB interference in the elections in these countries, then most likely the USSR would have been a continental power back in the 70s.

[Genry]

Quote: Lech from Android.

And to me as a citizen of Russia

Paphos is reminiscent of "I am the daughter of an officer."

Quote: Lech from Android.

when our TU 154, IL86, YAK42, YAK40 (I often flew them on business trips) began to be sent to trash cans, and instead buy Boeings and Airbuses ... thereby sponsoring our worst enemy.

You are lying.

Quote: Lech from Android.

you can’t offer anything better than buying imported parts without developing your own production, your own machine tool industry and much more.

Do you propose to immediately arrange the production of all the missing parts at once? This is simply impossible, all the more having survived the "perestroika" with your "adobryams" (you do not remember or mention that chaos).
New products always contain components that have not yet been mastered or produced on the side and which, with the growth of the series, can be decided on the profitability of their production.

Quote: Lech from Android.

Yes, even trying to shut the mouth of those who are dissatisfied with this.

In general, this phrase is an attempt to shut up, offend ....

And yes, you love your Android so much ...

[Al manah]

how many times they said in VO not to contact French suppliers of key components and technologies ....

Probably, members of the Government of the Russian Federation visit VO relatively rarely ...

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Al Manah

Probably, members of the Government of the Russian Federation visit VO relatively rarely ...

Another level of life and worries.

[Genry]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Probably, members of the Government of the Russian Federation visit VO relatively rarely ...

And you invite to your home for tea with vodka ....

Quote: Lech from Android.

Another level of life and worries.

Well, you just said everything, but you yourself did not understand what you were dissatisfied with.

[Al manah]

You tell about your experience invitations, and we will envy.

[B-15]

For Lech from Android.
As it was correctly noted here, it was necessary to choose the appearance of the engine by the time the airframe was created, or with a delay of five years. This is a "white ball" towards Poghosyan.
But he will not bother with the creation of our version of the engine right away, this is a huge "black ball" into the karma of both Poghosyan and the Ministry of Industry and Trade.
As for the SAM146, its gas generator was immediately recognized as crappy. But who listened to our scientists in the late 90s? Therefore, there were so many mistakes with this one.
And if you are so principled that you immediately go to jail, then what did you do to refuse these yourself? Could they? Probably not. Therefore, we are all great to swear in the comments. But it would be good to ask yourself, did I do something for the country in my place?
If yes, then respect to you. If not, then your Wishlist is somewhat incorrect.
If you translate the arrows on me, then I assume that in some way I helped in the development of my country. But I do not try to make loud statements, although there are many reasons. Could do more? Absolutely yes. But we propose, but God disposes.

[Genry]

Quote: B-15

As it was correctly noted here, it was necessary to choose the appearance of the engine by the time the airframe was created, or with a delay of five years. This is a "white ball" towards Poghosyan.

Poghosyan had a Ukrainian D-436 in reserve ... with which some people really wanted the Tu-334.

[FoBoss_VM]

Well .. We started for health, finished for peace. To be honest, these shifts of the deadlines to the right knock me around. When for this there will be really long terms of a special regime for undermining the defense capability

[Genry]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

I've got to be honest, these timing shifts to the right bellow.

But you are a cat!
You should be meowed.

[FoBoss_VM]

Do you not distinguish the meaning of the words "mumbles" and "meows"? I sincerely feel sorry for you

[ivan2022]

You will just envy them if there is a lot of work. You won't envy if not. And there is no need to remember about the USSR, which was not there .... Since then, 30 years have passed. We just have to remember what happened. There was a Buran and a hundred tons of cargo introduced to LEO in 1988.

[Voronezh]

[/ quote] If we talk about the military use of the PD-8, then it is very modest - so far only the remotorization of the Be-200 amphibians. [quote]

As I recall, the military has only ONE Be-200 in the Navy. Although a new anti-submarine aircraft has long been needed, and there are no search and rescue. As for new aircraft, there are no modern engines, and there are no projects for new aircraft. Who wants to work for a basket

[Genry]

Quote from Voronezh

As for new aircraft, there are no modern engines, and there are no projects for new aircraft.

You are breathing so confidently.

Engines are being prepared for LMS-901 "Baikal", TVRS-44 "Ladoga", Ka-60/62, Mi-226, "Ansat", PAK-DA, for remotorization of An-124 and various drones.

Now the issue of a sharp increase in the production of PD-8 and PD-14 - the most relevant engines of domestic aviation, is being resolved to compensate for sanctions on the import of civil aircraft.

[Voronezh]

Yes, thank me .. what they are trying to do! Yes, but everywhere you read about shifts to the right .... How much do they hoard for a superjet instead of frog saboteurs? By the way, I am absolutely sure that a small resource is specially laid in the sam. How much does MS slip? LMS? With all my hands for mine, but it's too tight.

[neworange88]

.I'm with all my hands for my own, but it's too tight.

And we have no other options and will not. And thank God.

[Genry]

Quote from Voronezh

How much do they hoard for a superjet instead of frog saboteurs?

Are you outraged, but do not know how much?

Quote from Voronezh

Yes, but everywhere you read about shifts to the right ....

So this, apparently, you yourself and read.

[Vladimir_2U]

By the way, creating a motor for a military aircraft / helicopter is much easier than for a passenger car. Therefore, now you will not envy the engineers and designers of the UEC.

Much easier right? Although, of course, the resource requirements are higher, but the mass, I think, is lower, and everyone needs efficiency.

[Krilion]

the history of the Russian post-Soviet aircraft industry is a subject for research by people in dusty helmets and with gloomy faces ... most importantly, almost all the defendants are present, everyone can be asked questions and everyone can be asked ... but there is no visible political will for these processes , which allows us to conclude that the people who almost ruined the Russian aircraft industry are still in power ...

[AdAstra]

Well, it looks like getting a snuffbox in your temple and wrapping a scarf around your neck incorrectly is not very inspiring.

[Genry]

Quote: Krilion

the history of the Russian post-Soviet aircraft industry is a subject for research by people in dusty helmets and with gloomy faces ...

You have the wrong subject. The betrayal and collapse of the USSR, followed by chaos and the destruction of the economy, must be investigated.
And you are trying to change questions. Or are you hiding the ends in the water?

[U-58]

The author somehow bypassed the deadlines for the start of development.
And they did not start today (under the sanctions) and not yesterday.
Work has been going on for several years.
The imposed sanctions only spurred the work of engine builders.
Yes, the PD-35 was moved "to the right" for reasons of elementary pragmatism.
The Chinese widebody is stuck in a kind of lethargy. IL-96-400 - is it needed? Yes, of course you need it. But this product is far from essential. Yes, and neither design bureaus, nor, moreover, factories will pull it. Again, funding issues.
There is no money.
At the same time, the demands of the day are to awaken our aircraft industry.
PD-8 for Superjet, for Be-200 and Mi-26 is necessary as air.
PD-14 for the Yak-242 (MS-21) is also urgently needed.
The idea of ​​installing it on the IL-76 was born along with the engine itself, but ... for now it will remain an idea.
Ils fly on a well-mastered serial PS-90, which looks very acceptable in all respects.
So postponing the topic of PD-35 is quite justified.
After all, not every piece can be swallowed.
We wish San Sanych Inozemtsev good health and every success in his work.

[Voronezh]

[/ quote] IL-96-400- is it needed? Yes, of course you need it. But this product is far from essential. [quote]

Well, it's not essential for you. Do we have long-haul aircraft besides it? Do you know how long it takes to fly from Moscow to Kamchatka or Vladivostok, and do you know how many days it takes to get to Vladivostok by train? Do you know that there is no other transport from Kamchatka besides the plane?

[U-58]

Well, of course I know.
But you should not think that it is I who determine the importance of issues and the order in which they are resolved.)))
By the way, there was a time when Tu-104s were flown from Kamchatka to Moscow.
And they were overjoyed at the opportunity.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Ka-52

Poghosyan was a pragmatist, not a populist like you.

And where is the pragmatism?
Stalin was a pragmatist ... because he looked at the years ahead.
Pogosyan solved problems of a limited nature without understanding the general problem in the future.

[paul3390]

because I looked at the years ahead

To him who led us into battle and knew
What are the days to come
We all owe victory
How he owes it to us

[Ka-52]

Stalin was a pragmatist ... because he looked at the years ahead.

Yes, do not wave Stalin here. It is better not to mention how we met the war thanks to your icon. What is the result of the first year of the war in numbers to recall?

[Genry]

Quote: Lech from Android.

And where is the pragmatism?

Prove the opposite, since his planes fly, and Poghosyan did not arrange problems.

[Maks1995]

expected.
The old promises are forgotten, now the passage of new promises is well known.
The main thing is that all the same people and bureaucratic chairs fly past promises.

[SavranP]

Banderas, nosy Banderas, they will crawl everywhere, with a smart look they will give out nonsense. We would go to the "censor", to whistle on the nightingale move.

[Genry]

Quote from media3

..... Even after the war, when everything in the USSR was German, including designers (and this is the most important thing), the products were still so-so ....

To write like that, you need crooked hands and even brains.
We have the opposite, so we will never understand you.

[mark1]

It has long been known that the favorites for the Chinese when choosing engines are General Electric GEnx and Rolls-Royce Trent. Simply because these products are ready and certified.

That's it "ready and certified" And in order for the PD-35 to be "ready and certified" it is necessary not to limit yourself to demonstrators and shift to the right (time also matters), but to spend money on creating, fine-tuning, certification and adaptation at least for the Il-96 (let even in a small series) otherwise no one will buy a pig in a poke and we will continue to trade in gas and oil (well, at least they left hemp and wax)

[Genry]

Quote: mark1

And in order for the PD-35 to be "ready and certified", it is necessary not to limit yourself to demonstrators and shift to the right (time also matters), but to spend money on creating, fine-tuning, certification and adaptation at least on the IL-96 (even if it is a small series)

Small series is when you have production in salable products, there will be much more than pilot production of demonstrators, prototypes and pre-series engines for solution verification, suitability testing and certification.
So far, the opposite is true - because "the game is not worth the candle."
To pay off such a complex and expensive development, you need a large mass production.
Although if you take all the costs on yourself, then the engine will be done without delay.

[mark1]

To be profitable, you need to be in demand. Demand in the competition of offers can only be for "used and certified" products ... well, read above ...
Alas for you, alas ... - you won’t spend money, you won’t sell it, at someone else’s expense, as it was with the Indians, it could only ride once, but we don’t believe in it and stupidly poke where the free milk used to be.

[Sedoy]

PD-35 delayed

about this a year ago they said that it would not be on time ...

[Grossvater]

The term for the creation of a modern engine is 20-25 years. So there is nothing supernatural in the delays. The more perfect the technique, the more difficult each step forward is.

[Eldarus]

I wonder why it is so vital to rename everything to Russian? Apparently in order to amuse the vanity of the national patriots. We need to make sure that the country's economy works most efficiently, and one of the ways to increase efficiency is to increase sales in the world market, i.e. you need to mark and name in Latin, as everyone does: the Chinese, Israelis, Arabs, etc.

[exo]

The main task of the PD-8 is to replace the French PowerJet SaM146 engines in the engine nacelles of Sukhoi's passenger car.

In fact, the nacelles are also made in France. This also has a considerable problem.

[exo]

Not only is the main unit - the gas generator - manufactured in an unfriendly country, but they do it not in the best way. The rest of the equipment is made in Russia, but it is the French filling that determines the low operational reliability of the Superjet engine.

The engine, of course, is not the late CFM-56 series, but not the PS-90 either. For two years, in one large airline, we replaced only two engines. With quite a good flight time.

[Mustached Kok]

Of course, such projects always shift to the right in our country. But we need this engine. It’s bad that there will be only one line from one plant (PD-8, PD-14 and PD-35), which is not very safe and technologically not profitable. It is better if there are 2-3 plants that promote their different engines through a competitive basis. But even one model for the transport and civil market is better than what it was. All the same, in the Soviet Union they had just begun to develop the industry of civilian engines with a high degree of bypass. But then the country did not exist and no one systematically dealt with it.

And the PD series is directly necessary for us.

PD-8 for short local lines and light airborne transport aircraft
PD-14 for the main regionals and medium highways, or for light long-distance flights. Based on the PD-14, it will be possible to create good AWACS, Targeting and PLO aircraft
The PD-35 will not only allow us to work on our own giants of long-haul lines (our Il-96 wide-body aircraft with new engines and the prospect of switching from 4 engines with a total thrust of 64 tons to 2 engines with a total thrust of 70 tons), but also to create heavy transport aircraft for our aviation. Yes, and all sorts of flying laboratories or research aircraft can be created.

But the most important thing for which these engines are needed is that under the conditions of sanctions, our engines are unlikely to be serviced. And sooner or later the details will be missed. It will be safer to switch, at least partially, to domestic engines.

[d4rkmesa]

"Better if there are 2-3 factories..."
Better to be healthy and beautiful. And so, now only the "cluster of Inozemtsev" is more or less adequate. Kuznetsov, Klimov and UEC-Saturn are only capable of modernization and "import substitution". Everything is "spent" in Moscow.

[ermak124.0]

You give Su-100. Superjet in the furnace. Really sick of anglicisms!!!

[wladimirjankov]

everything is always shifting to the right. Because there is no normal organization of work, a weak production base, there are no technologies and the production of modern components and systems for aircraft and engines. And most importantly, there are no responsible for the assigned work.

[Zaurbek]

The forced modification of the PD-14M, in addition to the motorization of the "heavy" passenger MS-21-400, is intended for the transport Il-76MD and the promising Il-276.

Interesting, this hasn't been discussed before. With the PD14 itself, there are a lot of difficulties, here's something else ... - with all the plans for the MC21, 80% of all liners had to go with American turbojet engines. Accordingly, production on the PD14 stream was calculated for a specific amount per year. And here it turns out that a large number of motors are sharply needed ...... also PD8. Problem.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

I definitely don't understand. They write about the Sukhoi Superjet that the French made a very bad gas generator for the engine of this aircraft - it is not reliable, it breaks, as a result, the aircraft is idle.
Suppose
But then I have a few questions, maybe someone can clarify?
1. If the French gas generator is so bad, then how did the engine with this gas generator pass the life tests ???
2. Who from our side was responsible for testing and commissioning both the engine as a whole and the French gas generator in particular ???
3. If that gas generator is so bad, then why don't we sue the French partners for damages when the downtime of the aircraft is connected precisely with French gas generators?
4. Or are gas generator failures more related to ... how can I put it more delicately, so as not to run into cons ... with improper operation and / or maintenance on our part, but this is not advertised for obvious reasons?

[Zaurbek]

There were some purely service problems, as a result. In the beginning there were childhood illnesses, then they fixed it.

[acetophenone]

Those who work for the state live well ... In a private company, they did not deliver the product on time, they will roll out such penalties that you will not only forget about profits, but also have to pay extra. And the next contract, if they don't send you to ..., they will conclude it on even more stringent conditions. And here is lafa. Signed the contract, and - do what you want. Forget about everything, let the customer run after you, now these are his problems.
Fish, as you know, rot from the head. So, it seems, THERE everything has already spread "in snot".

[certero]

Let's do pd-14 first.
Let's start producing planes with it.

[Aviator_]

Sukhoi Superjet New, which has been struggling with import substitution for more than one year, it's time to rename it.

It is high time. And the "superjet" itself is usually called the "superbudget". Poghosyan was expelled from the KLA when he built an unnecessary building in Zhukovsky, which is still empty. And now, when he became the rector of the Moscow Aviation Institute, he plans to demolish the buildings there and build something again.

[Spatel]

Here everyone is discussing technical issues, understanding little about aircraft engine building. Yes, please, discuss if you want, to your health! Just do not forget the main thing: any business can be done (or not) by specific names and surnames, as, for example, we know and remember Comrade. Beria, who led and organized during the war, on the instructions of the leader, the evacuation of enterprises and factories from the European part of the country beyond the Urals, as well as the nuclear program of the USSR. Here he did everything right.
Who in Putin's Russia was responsible for the aviation industry?

With this machine, apparently, great difficulties. Denis Manturov, while still in his position as head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, commented

Deniska Manturov... That's it!!
MOSCOW, April 15, 2022 - RIA Novosti. The list of the richest officials of the Russian government for the third year in a row is headed by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov, his income in 2021 amounted to 704,664 million rubles, follows from information about the income and property of government members. The income of Manturov's wife for the reporting period increased 3,8 times - up to 52,4 million rubles.
"In 2001, Denis Valentinovich Manturov took the position of Deputy Chairman of the unitary enterprise "Gosinkor", owning several defense companies. In 2003 Denis Manturov became the head of Oboronprom, created with the aim of organizing a holding for the construction of aircraft.
Denis Manturov joined the management of a number of development companies, including OKB Sukhoi, Kamov, Kurgamashzavod.
Here they are, "great difficulties"!
In July he becomes Deputy Prime Minister. Excuse me, for what merit?
Did he, like Beria, solve all the issues of the aviation industry and Rosoboronexport?
And what with this "effective manager" to expect tomorrow?
There's nothing to fly, is there? An army without modern weapons, undressed and undressed?
Maybe it's time to ask these denisas, how did Stalin ask in the forty-first?
Or is our "leader" not the same?

[AC130 Gunship]

I'm afraid that the fate of the Russian participation in the Cr35 project awaits the Pd929y. It was originally designed for it. Russia does not have its own aircraft for such an engine, and does not even have it to a serious extent on paper (pictures of the Elephant do not count). There is no point in making IL96 twin-engine at all (well, except if you just cut the budget, following the example of the "twin-engine Yak40")

[Jonny_Su]

Yes, it's funny that they developed the engine for the base alien aircraft, it turned out to be not needed, but there is no platform for it. And the engine is not needed, it turns out, and the test bench is suddenly not needed.
From the couch, you can see that a remotorized IL-96-400 + a truck based on it with a PD-35 is needed in the series. The truck could carry military and space equipment, having a "one and a half" fuselage of the 96th, Ilyushin had these developments. And to design a new platform for long-range-powerful transport, having an industrial assembly of a new engine.

[Last centurion]

What does "do not envy" mean. Commodity money relations. There is an order to design and smear butter on top of caviar, there is no order - they eat breadcrumbs. Although it is clear that in this country it is customary to just go to work and work to work, and not to produce something ...

[Dmitry Karabanov]

The key question is - why once again try to get into incomprehensible Western standards for efficiency / environmental friendliness? Does anyone really hope that our planes will be allowed on the world market? Don't tell me, our aviation was destroyed during the fight-drunkard. Nobody needs competitors, the West has long divided all markets. For Russia, the main indicator should be reliability! Our companies should work on the Russian market. Do we have no oil to chase the meager "economy"? This is, as it were, a "problem" of 4-engine aircraft, although there are no problems with the reliability of the same IL-96. Yes, it’s true that it will be necessary to “knock on the hands” of the oil oligarchs ...

[Pavel57]

Mriya is mentioned in the article. What is this chimera?

[Codett]

This has never happened before, and here again, in general, we constantly hear about shifts in the law, already as a matter of course, for such a number of shifts in the law, the management of their positions should be responsible, and now they have such a policy, to promise and then move and ask for more money, until we have responsibility, they will shift it.

[SergM]

By the way, neither in the Soviet Union, nor in Russia, gas turbine aircraft engines with a thrust of 35 tons or more were not created at all. The legendary D-18T for Ruslan produced no more than 23,5 tons of thrust. That is, theoretically, a pair of the most powerful “thirty-fifths” with a thrust of forty tons will more than replace four outdated diesel engines on Ruslans, providing a much greater thrust-to-weight ratio.

Immediately - the author's arithmetic AshiPka, which entails a huge semantic error: if you put TWO PD-124s on the An-35 "Ruslan", then it will be a HUGE FAIL, and NOT a "much greater thrust-to-weight ratio" - as the author "re" thought: "unkind memory - about the "Biggest", "Most Advanced" "Unparalleled" - exactly according to the Standard Methodology for Training Propagandists and Agitators - for "the best, most advanced and unparalleled in world history" - namely the PRESENT (as opposed to the ULTIMATE PREVIOUS) Russian government." :
Digressing to conclusions about the future .... Well, if in Little Russian in ..., I beg your pardon, it’s impossible to express it that way - then according to the training manual: if things go the same way in Little Russian SVO as it is now over the next year, then the next 500 mobilization in Russia, he will take with him in general any topic "civil aviation and the aviation industry in Russia", just as the natural course of things has ALREADY completely eliminated the jingoistic propaganda topics "SSZh-000" - mandatory for all aviation forums 2 years ago. How all sorts of "engineers of 2010" were scolding over us with all the patriotic skeptics, how they branded us "retrogrades and renegades" ... And where is it now? Disappeared, as it were not: probably now they are successfully living happily ever after in their Maldivian-Maltese dachas, plucked from the Ros-budget for the promotion of SSZh-100! On business. If all this topic does not stop completely due to the natural course of the SVO in Little Russia, then the first thing to do is to completely reform the entire heavy industry of Russia in general, and the aviation industry - first of all - by returning it to its original - pre-Chubais state. The first step on that natural path: Immediate and Complete Liquidation of the "Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation" (Minpromtorg). For, as it should be in Science, everything must be proved: Industry and Trade - in the Economy of any society - Complete Antagonists. Our Ministry of Industry and Trade was created by these enemy reformers - on purpose with the aim of Smoothly and "imperceptibly" Liquidation of the Russian Industry - and replacing it with import purchases. Creation of the Consumer Society. What is completely successful - and accomplished by comrades Chubais - now you can leave for a well-deserved foreign billionaire pension, while retaining all Russian ranks and awards !

[businessv]

PD-35 ultra-high thrust aircraft engine delayed

Eugene, what can you say about the NK-93 engine, which has been ready for 20 years already? It is for wide-body aircraft! Or cut the budget and shift the timing of engines and, accordingly, aircraft, is this more profitable for us? It seems to me that it is high time for the authors on such an interesting topic to unite and get a clear answer to such a blatant betrayal of the interests of our country! Who cares, here: https://argumenti.ru/society/2022/04/767466

[storm]

creating a motor for a military aircraft / helicopter is much easier than for a passenger car. Therefore, now you will not envy the engineers and designers of the UEC.

So why not follow the evolutionary path from simple to complex?
First, to develop and put into series a military version of the PD-35 for the VTA, and already at its production and test base, in parallel, begin to produce the PD-35 for civil airliners.

[Velmi Shin]

Nothing is clear. They wrote that the PD14 had already been certified and had already gone into mass production, and it was already before the winter of last year. Now it turns out that there is no PD14 series, but there is underfunding, so money is withdrawn from PD35 for its development, plus money was allocated to PD8 for its accelerated development, and again there is no funding. Where are the billions of funds going? What kind of black hole is this - the Russian aviation industry, coupled with the bureaucracy of the Russian Federation? Who will deal with this? Or is it a lie that money is allocated, in fact, RosTech and UEC do not reach, they steal on kickbacks?

[dmb91]

Another opus in the style of "all polymers have fallen in love." Under the PD-14 there is a ready-made, in-demand aircraft, under the PD-8 there is a plan for demotorization and a firm order from Transneft and Gazprom. And under "35" what? Who is the customer, at whose expense the banquet! Infantile whining or just the soul asks to scribble?

[anclevalico]

What do you mean, "do not envy"? There is work, a lot of work. This is the dream of any KB! That's just the trouble with the engineering school, which has a very deplorable effect on personnel and deadlines. And this, the most important question, is not solved in any way. Our education is still for consumers.

[Alexfly]

This means that the motor will sink into oblivion .. Over 30 years of democratic development, production priorities have moved from group A to group C - the purchase of finished products abroad ...