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By continuing the implementation of the "grain deal" Ukraine is trying to test the reaction of Russia

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By continuing the implementation of the "grain deal" Ukraine is trying to test the reaction of Russia

Information is being confirmed that Ukraine, together with Turkey and UN representatives, agreed that the so-called "grain deal" will continue. Such a statement was made by Ukrainian representatives, who described their decision as follows: "despite Russia's withdrawal from the agreement."


Today, it is planned that several ships will leave the three Black Sea ports of Ukraine, including Odessa, and others will enter them. In total - 14 vessels under different flags. The Ukrainian side claims that all these ships are connected with the export of "agricultural products" from the territory of Ukraine. After there was information that it is planned to use the port of Nikolaev, which has nothing to do with the previously concluded agreement.

This suggests that the Kyiv regime, which in this case is also trying to rely on "partners", is trying to check what Russia's reaction will be to the continued traffic of cargo ships to and from Ukrainian ports.

Recall that at the end of last week, Russia decided to withdraw from the "grain deal". Officially, its action ended on November 19.

This was done after the attack of UAF drones on the bay of Sevastopol, where a minesweeper of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, which was involved in ensuring the safety of the passage of ships to and from the ports of Ukraine, was damaged. Then data appeared on the network that several maritime attack drones in the bay of Sevastopol were released from cargo ships used as part of the same “grain deal”.

The Turkish side says it will "continue to inspect cargo ships operating under the deal."
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  2. carpenter
    carpenter 31 October 2022 06: 41
    +20
    Today, it is planned that several ships will leave the three Black Sea ports of Ukraine, including Odessa, and others will enter them. In total - 14 vessels under different flags.
    Well, if you shoot a little at the port of Odessa, then the "traders" will run back.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 06: 52
      +46
      Quote: carpenter
      Well, if you shoot a little at the port of Odessa, then the "traders" will run back.

      Since the Black Sea Fleet has shown itself to be a whipping boy and cannot establish any blockade, this solution is the only adequate one. The rest will once again demonstrate the toothlessness of Russia.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 31 October 2022 06: 55
        +20
        Of course, the fleet will not be able to intercept ships. But they can smash the terminals. But something tells me that they won’t
        1. Angry orc
          Angry orc 31 October 2022 08: 21
          -1
          Why can't he intercept ships? At least by helicopters and if they refuse to return to the port, they will fire, and if they return fire, they will destroy.
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 31 October 2022 08: 44
            +11
            Why ??? Yes, not in the absence of funds. But in the absence of His Majesty ORDER.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 31 October 2022 20: 21
            +1
            Quote: Evil Orc
            Why can't he intercept ships?

            And on what basis? Or have we already declared a MARITIME BLOCCADE of the coast of the country-U? Let me remind you: declaring a naval blockade is an act of declaring WAR, which we stubbornly do not declare, so as not to become a CLASSICAL aggressor ...
            These are all the subtleties of diplomacy and m-n maritime law, from which the BUSINESS suffers significantly!
            IMHO.
        2. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 31 October 2022 08: 46
          +11
          The Black Sea Fleet is able to intercept ships that defiantly ignore Russia's withdrawal from the so-called. "grain" deal, and to conduct, after an appropriate warning and failure to comply with the order to proceed to Russian ports for verification, their fire defeat on the routes of movement.

          But, as I believe, there is no need to "run" after them. After the blatant disregard of the UN, Ankara and the Kyiv Nazis, Russia's statements about the TERMINATION of Russian security guarantees to the ships involved in the so-called. "grain" deal, it is enough just to "tightly" mine the water area. Both with the involvement of naval aviation aircraft, and the surface and submarine forces of the Black Sea Fleet.

          About what, OFFICIALLY warn ALL "ignorants". AND CONTINUE mining with ANY attempts by anyone to start work on "clearing" the fairways, without the consent of Russia ...

          And, of course, it is necessary to IMMEDIATELY launch MASSIVE STRIKES against the INFRASTRUCTURE of ALL ports controlled so far on the territory of the former united Ukraine by the Kyiv Nazis, for the COMPLETE and IRREVERSIBLE in the MEDIUM TERM perspective to disrupt the PROCESS of loading and unloading ALL ships (especially ships) .. .

          If Moscow officially announced that the so-called. The "grain" deal, to which she, as a gesture of will, gave her consent, was terminated, which means that NOT A SINGLE ship, without control from Russia, from the ports controlled by the Kyiv Nazis, will no longer pass through the Black Sea area ...

          And all this must be done WITHOUT DELAY, DECIDEDLY. Literally TODAY and NOW...
          1. Boson
            Boson 31 October 2022 09: 42
            +2
            For all the time of the NWO, it was already possible to understand that our government is not ready for decisive action. Once again, they will say that the "Western partners" cheated and do not inspire confidence. This is where it will end.
          2. T800-101
            T800-101 31 October 2022 13: 40
            +1
            And weren't you too lazy to paint all this, dreamer?
          3. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 31 October 2022 20: 43
            -1
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            The Black Sea Fleet is able to intercept ships, ... and, after an appropriate warning and failure to comply with the order, proceed to Russian ports to check, their fire damage on the routes of movement.

            And now imagine these ships escorted by a NATO SHIP, well, at least Turkey or Bulgaria, Romania ... They escort THEIR ships going to the port of Odessa for grain .... And what's next!?
            Therefore, before writing, it does not interfere with the head to turn on. At least occasionally. AHA.
            1. cold wind
              cold wind 31 October 2022 21: 05
              -3
              Another important question. The agreements were signed between Russia-UN-Turkey, Ukraine-UN-Turkey.
              We have suspended our agreement, the Ukraine-UN-Turkey agreement continues to operate. Our actions against ships sailing under this agreement will be against Turkey and the UN with all arriving.
              There is an opinion that the attack on Sevastopol was a provocation precisely to stop our part of the agreement.
            2. zenion
              zenion 1 November 2022 22: 21
              0
              And then the electricity may go out. Will they throw shovels?
        3. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 31 October 2022 09: 05
          -5
          I wonder if there are vessels under the Russian flag among the dry cargo ships exporting grain?
          If there is, then fuck it right in the port after warning the crew.
          And it would be indicative / instructive, and not an attack on a third country.
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 31 October 2022 09: 37
            +6
            Russian grain is exported along the Black Sea from Russian ports. And not necessarily ships under the Russian flag. And for THIS export of grain and other food products, Russia does not create any obstacles ...

            So, all "potentially starving" can use their ships to export Russian agricultural products from ports under Russian control. Incl. and those same 500 thousand tons that Russia supplies free of charge. And the rest - at favorable prices ...

            And it will be just "interesting" to see who will "create obstacles" to such a humanitarian export of Russian agricultural products from Russian ports? ..

            Some kind of "Ukraine"?.. Ankara?.. Or maybe the UN?..
            1. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 31 October 2022 10: 05
              0
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              Russian grain is exported along the Black Sea from Russian ports.

              I'm about a friend.
              About the strike in Ukrainian ports. hi
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 31 October 2022 07: 01
        +31
        Unfortunately, the Black Sea Fleet has closed at its base like a snail in Sevastopol and is sitting there being attacked by the British and saboteurs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... there has already been talk of transferring it to another base.
        There are no words ... he behaves completely passively ... Ushakov and Nakhimov would probably have burned out from such a shame long ago.
        According to the grain deal, it became clear that the routes and ships from there are used for attacks on the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet.
        In general, the Kremlin was thrown as suckers once again.
        A disgrace ... as long as you can allow the Anglo-Saxons and Ukronats to wipe their feet on themselves.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 31 October 2022 07: 54
          +8
          Didn't Nakhimov lock himself up at the time? Now, according to the situation, why do I constantly see ships in the sea, if the fleet is locked up, imagining?
        2. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 31 October 2022 09: 58
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          A disgrace ... as long as you can allow the Anglo-Saxons and Ukronats to wipe their feet on themselves.

          As long as the suckers are in power, nothing will change with us.
        3. VPK-65
          VPK-65 31 October 2022 15: 00
          0
          There are no words ... he behaves completely passively ... Ushakov and Nakhimov would probably have burned out from such a shame long ago.

          For example, looking at the face of the captain of the sunken cruiser "Moskva":
          https://www.mk.ru/photo/gallery/27955-535363.html
          I didn't see the shame on his face. I don’t know what this man was thinking at that moment, but obviously not about the 27 sailors “missing” whom he should have “stayed to look for” following maritime tradition:
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Капитан_покидает_корабль_последним
          PS Of course, now apparently the traditions are different, it's probably about how to demand the Hippocratic oath from the grabbers.
        4. Amper
          Amper 31 October 2022 17: 26
          0
          Those are still from the category, at least ss to us .... in the eyes, so long as the business does not end, but the Western partners are not offended. feel
      3. svp67
        svp67 31 October 2022 07: 18
        +12
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        then this is the only appropriate solution.

        Yes, at least they started by stopping the supply of ammonia to Odessa ...
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 31 October 2022 08: 28
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Yes, at least they started by stopping the supply of ammonia to Odessa ...

          As soon as Abramovich jumps out, as Abramovich jumps out of the snuffbox, - and again he will "destroy everything." am
      4. navigator777
        navigator777 31 October 2022 07: 26
        -3
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: carpenter
        Well, if you shoot a little at the port of Odessa, then the "traders" will run back.

        Since the Black Sea Fleet has shown itself to be a whipping boy and cannot establish any blockade, this solution is the only adequate one. The rest will once again demonstrate the toothlessness of Russia.

        You are mistaken, before the grain deal there was a complete blockade and now we can establish a blockade, which will be done. And of course, you need to scare away the carriers in Odessa. Ours simply took a break in order to think over the next steps.
        1. GIS
          GIS 31 October 2022 07: 36
          +10
          I really (VERY!!) would like to hope for this ... and for the breadth of authority of the head of the SVO operation. and that he will not flinch in front of the "politicians" entrenched in the government of the country
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 08: 22
          -2
          Quote: navigator777
          You are mistaken, before the grain deal there was a complete blockade and now we can establish a blockade, which will be done.

          What means and forces?!
          1. Rustic
            Rustic 31 October 2022 09: 37
            0
            What means and forces?!
            Varshavyanka not satisfied?
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 10: 47
              +1
              Quote from Rustic
              Varshavyanka not satisfied?

              Unlimited submarine warfare without just declaring war? How cute. laughing
              1. Rustic
                Rustic 31 October 2022 14: 01
                -1
                And what is wrong? In territorial waters, ships carrying weapons (kamikaze drones). How do they differ from tanks or aircraft? Because they are not in the air and not on the ground? Yes, and in neutral waters, if a ship attacks the territory, regardless of how many bags of grain one or a million are on it, it is a completely legitimate target.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 15: 52
                  +1
                  Quote from Rustic
                  And what is wrong? In territorial waters, ships carrying weapons (kamikaze drones). How do they differ from tanks or aircraft? Because they are not in the air and not on the ground? Yes, and in neutral waters, if a ship attacks the territory, regardless of how many bags of grain one or a million are on it, it is a completely legitimate target.

                  Now explain how with a submarine it is possible to determine whether a ship is a carrier?
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 10: 23
            -1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: navigator777
            You are mistaken, before the grain deal there was a complete blockade and now we can establish a blockade, which will be done.

            What means and forces?!

            Yes, at least the coastal complexes Bastion, Bal.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 10: 50
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              Yes, at least the coastal complexes Bastion, Bal.

              Ahh, just like that, I imagine the inspection of the DBK, warning shots at the rate of the DBK, and all this without declaring war ...
      5. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 09: 11
        +6
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Since the Black Sea Fleet has shown itself to be a whipping boy and cannot establish any blockade,
        What orders from the very
        they act at the top, this is how the Black Sea Fleet designates itself ... I don’t think that the actions of the Black Sea Fleet command go without agreement with the very top .. The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Fleet, and Gen. headquarters of the Russian Federation ... Everyone is afraid to take responsibility for themselves ... This is not the Second World War. In the NWO, God forbid to cross the road to commerce from power ... To strike at the "factory" or "bridge" that a successful oligarch like Roma Acha has already put in his pocket ... It is better to call men from factories, construction sites, from the fields , or a tiny entrepreneur, a stall keeper, throw them under shells from am. howitzers and hamers ...
        1. Amper
          Amper 31 October 2022 17: 31
          -2
          Let us turn the imperialist war into a civil war! V.I.Lenin.
      6. Oden280
        Oden280 31 October 2022 16: 32
        +1
        Here, not only the Black Sea Fleet, but our entire leadership, both political and military, has shown itself to be a herd of slobbering political impotents. Over their "concerns" and "warnings" soon the whole world will laugh.
    2. Taimen
      Taimen 31 October 2022 09: 30
      +4
      What do you mean, our hucksters did not climb there in order to shoot at "dear partners". They will again beg for something.
    3. ARIONkrsk
      ARIONkrsk 31 October 2022 09: 59
      -1
      Quote: carpenter
      Today, it is planned that several ships will leave the three Black Sea ports of Ukraine, including Odessa, and others will enter them. In total - 14 vessels under different flags.
      Well, if you shoot a little at the port of Odessa, then the "traders" will run back.

      The port of Nikolaev must also be erased from Odessa.
    4. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 31 October 2022 12: 10
      0
      Quote: carpenter
      Well, if you shoot a little at the port of Odessa, then the "traders" will run back.

      Already shot at the very beginning of the "deal". It didn't break the deal.
    5. MMX
      MMX 31 October 2022 19: 02
      +3
      A whole tangle of topics was tied to the grain deal, information about which was indirectly confirmed in the media, such as: the blockade of the Kaliningrad region, air components for civil aircraft, our grain, etc.
      In fact, now Putin has been stumped: in any case, he is a loser - he will break the deal and Russia will return "all the charms" back, and add more from above. If he makes a deal, he will again receive attacks on Sevastopol (and elsewhere) and + more political damage (both internal and external).
      As I see it from the couch, he lost even when he went to make a deal.

      P.S. The ballast of miscalculations in our system is growing ...
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  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 October 2022 06: 43
    +13
    the Kyiv regime, which in this case is also trying to rely on "partners", is trying to check what Russia's reaction will be
    We were initially cheated once again with this "grain deal", moreover, an attack was carried out on Russian ships using the "grain corridor", and in this case, a simple expression of "concern" should no longer end. So maybe diplomacy should be aside and block ships in Ukrainian ports, and others should not be allowed to enter there? It is clear that "friend" Erdogan will go out of his way to prevent this, which is what the Ukrainian side hopes for. Is such a "friendship" needed solely at the expense of Russia and its losses? Otherwise, it will turn out that we are again brazenly, with a smirk on the musals, and we murmured something in diplomatic languages ​​in response.
    1. navigator777
      navigator777 31 October 2022 07: 32
      +9
      It is high time to take off the rose-colored glasses and understand that a vile war without rules is being waged against us, until our leaders get rid of the guilt and inferiority complex and give up trying to at least somehow appease and appease the West, they will be considered fools. We have not yet answered for the Nord Stream, they have understood that it is possible to do this with us and continue to do so.
      1. GIS
        GIS 31 October 2022 07: 40
        -1
        and what are your suggestions for removing black glasses (this is me in defiance of pink) from the rest of the world, when they pour into their ears from every iron that the Russian Federation is an aggressor?
        those. you don't think that the "grain deal" was the same tool to open the eyes of the world. not?
        I think that the words about "distributing fertilizers and grain free of charge to starving countries" are also of the same series: no one will let us do this, but there is PR. and even if 30% of the information reaches the inhabitants of all countries, even this will give them the opportunity to think something is wrong in this paradigm pouring from TV and the Internet
      2. lisiy prapor
        lisiy prapor 31 October 2022 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: navigator777
        It is high time to take off the rose-colored glasses and understand that a vile war without rules is being waged against us, until our leaders get rid of the guilt and inferiority complex and give up trying to at least somehow appease and appease the West, they will be considered fools. We have not yet answered for the Nord Stream, they have understood that it is possible to do this with us and continue to do so.

        "Our" leaders have their own bosses. And it's not on this continent. Since 1987, yes. And about the "great confrontation between RUSSIA and the West" you can watch on TV.
  5. PN
    PN 31 October 2022 06: 43
    +5
    What can we do? And nothing, our dry cargo ships going under the flags of other countries will not sink.
    1. ratoborets
      ratoborets 31 October 2022 06: 54
      +19
      This is exactly what Israel is doing. Israel has been carrying out a naval blockade of the Gaza Strip since 2007, that is, for about 15 years, and something is not heard from the cries of the international community.

      They issue a warning and turn the ship around. If a civilian ship refuses to comply with the order, then it is boarded. If military, then it is drowned.

      Turkey, under the guise of activists, by the way, tried to break through the blockade. But it ended badly for the activists:
      The Gaza Freedom Flotilla, organized by the Gaza Freedom Movement and the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Aid, was transporting humanitarian aid and building materials with the intention of breaking the Israeli-Egyptian blockade of the Gaza Strip. Under normal circumstances, aid is brought to Israel for screening and then transferred to Gaza.

      On May 31, 2010, Israeli forces landed on the ships from boats and helicopters. As a result of resistance on one of the boats, Israeli forces killed nine activists.
      1. GRIGORIY76
        GRIGORIY76 31 October 2022 07: 53
        +9
        Maybe they know that Israel cannot be bent, and Russian colleagues can be twirled as you like.
    2. ramzay21
      ramzay21 31 October 2022 07: 07
      +12
      What can we do?

      Our patient will not do anything. Erdogan understood who he is in life for a long time and rests him to the fullest in Syria, Libya, Ukraine, with the S-400, with nuclear power plants and gas, everywhere Erdogan pushed through our guarantor and got his own. And the grain deal is Erdogan's idea, and it was he who pushed our guarantor to it, he will press him further, knowing full well that there will be no real reaction to such impudence.
      1. GIS
        GIS 31 October 2022 07: 42
        -4
        and in your opinion it was necessary to immediately drown everyone to the right and left? and then "the whole world in dust"?
        those. adequacy is how Erdogan does it?
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 31 October 2022 20: 06
          +1
          and in your opinion it was necessary to immediately drown everyone to the right and left?

          In my opinion, it is necessary to have clear goals for the development of the country, plans to achieve these goals and persistently implement these plans, and do everything in the interests of our country and our people. And not behave like a patient, being the leader of a great country.
          1. GIS
            GIS 1 November 2022 12: 43
            0
            that is, according to your GDP, this itself sabotages its orders about
            goals for the development of the country, plans to achieve these goals and persistently implement these plans, and do everything in the interests of our country and our people.
            when does the "pug poke" all the officials who come to him with reports?
            it is clear from his face that he KNOWS MORE than the one reporting, and sitting on the camera for the sake of formality, you can see how nervous both are. I understand perfectly well that the defendant is simply pissing, because the presidential decrees have failed in many respects, and the president is restrained so as not to speak out ... but as I understand it, he has no others.
            ps Mishustin and Belousov do not count, for me they are so far the most travel of all who are at least somehow covered in the media
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 1 November 2022 18: 04
              0
              The GDP does not have any clear plans for the development of our country. Empty chatter and window dressing on TV is not a plan but a profanity.

              What are the goals of our state? What ideals do we have, expressed in simple terms? The answer is simple. There is none of this, and since there are no goals, there can be no plan.
              And if there is no plan, then there is no one who is responsible for the implementation of this plan.
              Here Rostec is destroying military enterprises right now, including the manufacturer of MLRS, and what did Chemezov and his gang do?
      2. single-n
        single-n 31 October 2022 15: 39
        +2
        We have already shown determination. Now the flagship of the fleet is at the bottom. And the rest of the ships will simply be shot from the shore if they come out from under the air defense cover of the bases. That's the whole clue to standing in the bases. Although if there was determination, they would even take boarding from boats like Somalis. Or Peter 1.
    3. kit88
      kit88 31 October 2022 09: 35
      +8
      Quote: PN
      What can we do?

      And when we pulled out of the grain deal, wasn't it supposed to be backed up by something? Diplomatic, military and forceful arguments?
      If "no", then you can drain the water, put everything on pause and call early presidential elections.
  6. Mwg
    Mwg 31 October 2022 06: 46
    +10
    Each incoming-outgoing ship to the sump to be checked for undeclared cargo for a period up to a full check. Disobeying shoot rudders and propellers. So, at the same time, we will check Turkey whether it is capable of holding a partnership vector or not.
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 31 October 2022 06: 47
    +2
    Ukraine, together with Turkey and UN representatives, agreed to

    Let them try and do it. And the Russian Federation withdrew from the deal and has every right to drown everyone who is spinning there. Especially those who try to enter the ports
    1. Quote Lavrov
      Quote Lavrov 31 October 2022 07: 24
      +4
      Do you even believe in what you write?
      Are we sinking the ships of Western partners??? What are you writing about - we will be scolded on the advice of some Western organization, and even worse - the remaining assets of the oligarchs in the West will be arrested ....
      The only option is missile strikes on ports, terminals, etc.
      Then shipowners may change their minds.
      1. GIS
        GIS 31 October 2022 07: 44
        -2
        I think for a long time all the politicians have been bent over with their egg-pods .. now we need to push them a little more from the other side (from the west) and then they’ll definitely have a fork: either run to the west as a beggar (and they don’t know how to live like that anymore) or work here gritting their teeth (and I think they will now have the option to work for the collapse of the country sooo much break off)
        1. Quote Lavrov
          Quote Lavrov 31 October 2022 07: 49
          +6
          It depends what you mean by "work". They already "work" here to the fullest - polluting the North with oil products without serious consequences for themselves, saving on fire safety in clubs, mines, paying pennies to employees here, sticking to the budget from all sides - from defense to school breakfasts ... - they are capable of that.
          But if you are talking about investing in science, production, education, science, medicine, which, if they give a profit, then only after many years - this is not at all about our elite.
          1. GIS
            GIS 31 October 2022 10: 00
            0
            So I wrote "gritting my teeth")))
            so they are not used to
            invest in science, production, education, science, medicine, which, if they give a profit, then only after many years
  8. Two
    Two 31 October 2022 06: 51
    +8
    hi Let's look at the lowing of our politicians, bent in a crustacean pose over the maps, in the dashes of the next red lines... bully
    1. Quote Lavrov
      Quote Lavrov 31 October 2022 07: 51
      -1
      It seems that they draw red lines, but the feeling that the blue pencil is clearly closer to them than the red one ..
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 09: 18
        -1
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        It seems that they draw red lines, but the feeling that the blue pencil is clearly closer to them than the red one ..

        Maybe not even blue, but blue? feel
        1. Quote Lavrov
          Quote Lavrov 31 October 2022 12: 03
          -1
          If .... it would be much less of a problem. I'm alluding to the colors used to set the situation on the map. Red denotes themselves, blue denotes the enemy.
  9. sagitovich
    sagitovich 31 October 2022 06: 55
    +6
    You can't trust anyone. The whole world takes our kindness for weakness.
    1. aleks.29ru
      aleks.29ru 31 October 2022 07: 06
      +10
      That's not kindness, that's weakness.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 31 October 2022 20: 54
      0
      Quote: sagitovich
      The whole world takes our kindness for weakness.

      And -aaaa .... You probably do not know the phrase: - WELL SHOULD BE WITH FISTS !!!
  10. Turtle
    Turtle 31 October 2022 07: 00
    +1
    drown everyone in shallow water near the port
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 31 October 2022 07: 12
    +13
    The fleet does not have to be substituted. There is aviation, there are corresponding missiles. Cover the port infrastructure - grain carriers will scatter.
    And this is no longer a question for the Foreign Ministry. This should be decided by Surovikin. Diplomats have already "decided" theirs.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 31 October 2022 07: 19
      +9
      Quote: samarin1969
      The fleet does not have to be substituted.

      Why do we need such a fleet ... which is not capable of controlling the sea area.
      The Americans have already driven the second AUG to Europe ...
      they are not afraid to be substituted and they get away with everything.
      And ours, unfortunately, behave very humiliatingly ... not daring to take any active steps.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 31 October 2022 10: 01
        +3
        a vegetable on the AUG .. why is it there, from a practical point of view, and not from an "advertising" one, if there are dozens of NATO airfields in the EU, which are many times better, suitable for aviation?
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The fleet does not have to be substituted. There is aviation, there are corresponding missiles. Cover the port infrastructure - grain carriers will scatter.
      And this is no longer a question for the Foreign Ministry. This should be decided by Surovikin. Diplomats have already "decided" theirs.

      Surovikin? It is not Surovikin who decides ... Shoigu and his superior comrades ....
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 31 October 2022 09: 31
        +2
        Quote: 30 vis
        Surovikin? It is not Surovikin who decides ... Shoigu and his superior comrades

        This is where the problem lies. It is impossible for a military leader to set tasks along the front, but to limit actions in the rear.
        Shoigu is more busy with the functions of "quartermaster general".
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 10: 19
          +2
          Quote: samarin1969
          Shoigu is more busy with the functions of "quartermaster general".

          Rather, a "wedding general" ... Biathlon, woodcarving, harem ...
  12. Wladimir134
    Wladimir134 31 October 2022 07: 18
    +4
    The nonsense and fairy tales of the patriots are tired. Get lost again. They could not even destroy the substations properly. Tepeo all about the country will wipe their feet. I am writing last. Tired of it ...
  13. hellcos
    hellcos 31 October 2022 07: 18
    +4
    This is the result of love to draw red lines without confirming words with action. If even now we only threaten with a finger, then no threats will be taken seriously
  14. ratoborets
    ratoborets 31 October 2022 07: 20
    +16
    So, let's sum up what and who got from the deal.
    1. Exported grain for a total amount of about 10 billion dollars. Most of the Ukrainian ports belonged to the Western bourgeoisie, and they were the main beneficiaries.
    2. Ukraine received a share in the form of %, income and taxes from grain exports. Part went to purchase weapons to kill Russians, Chechens, Buryats, etc., part to support the economy, purchase fuel and lubricants (again for the front), etc.
    3. Explosives were sent through Ukrainian ports under the cover of the SBU to blow up the Crimean bridge.
    4. Despite all the statements of the authorities that the mosquito will not undermine the nose, I am 100% sure that some of the weapons came by sea to Ukraine.
    5. Apparently, from a civilian ship, strikes were carried out on Sevastopol and a Russian ship ensuring the security of the grain deal.

    What did Russia get?
    And we didn’t get them * ra, that’s just them * ra. Sanctions against Russian agricultural products and fertilizers have not actually been lifted. Russia helped its enemy replenish the treasury with billions of dollars, and the Westerners get billions from the sale and supply of grain. Strikes were carried out on our security ships and the bay in Sevastopol. And we will still be to blame for the exit from the transaction.

    Appeal to the authorities: stop playing Leopold the cat already, stop playing giveaway, stop flirting with the West, stop showing respect to "respectable partners" (from the West), when you are thrown at hundreds of billions of dollars and wipe your feet on you, hoping for some negotiations / deal / negotiability of the West. If you continue to do this, you will end up like in 1917 or a tribunal in The Hague. And you will be judged for the atrocities committed by Ukrainian militants and nationalists in Bucha, Irpin, etc.
    1. alexey_444
      alexey_444 31 October 2022 07: 48
      -3
      Yes, no one plays, there are simply no opportunities, so China does not want to quarrel with the West to the last, does not want to be toothless like we are
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 31 October 2022 09: 30
        +1
        Quote: alexey_444
        Yes, no one plays, there are simply no opportunities, so China does not want to quarrel with the West to the last, does not want to be toothless like we are


        Toothless China can only be made by the leadership .... and there are enough levers: military / economic / political, etc. It's just a matter of will power.

        As for us ... you actually see everything yourself.
        1. alexey_444
          alexey_444 31 October 2022 11: 55
          +1
          Yes, political will has set everyone up, Japan alone can sink our entire Pacific fleet, and what will we do next? There is nothing to say about the Baltic and Black Sea. You just need to take a sober look at things, and not blame the political will. As they say, we fight as much as possible, and not at will. I would also like a lot of things.
    2. populist
      populist 31 October 2022 08: 42
      +1
      Quote from: ratoborets

      What did Russia get?
      And we didn’t get them * ra, that’s just them * ra

      Well, why didn't you get it?
      We received another grandiose failure and another confirmation of the failure of the leadership.
    3. Quetzalcoatl
      Quetzalcoatl 31 October 2022 09: 21
      0
      Agree with this comment.
      Unfortunately, all our absentee appeals, entreaties and reproaches to the authorities, for the time being, will remain meaningless words...
  15. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 31 October 2022 07: 22
    -5
    ***
    Here is a yellow-black tit bird,
    Who wants to sell wheat
    Which is stored in the port of Odessa
    She herself will remain without a clearing ...



    ***
  16. spectr
    spectr 31 October 2022 07: 24
    +5
    I remember the ships did not go, because everyone was afraid that we would sink them. Looks like it's time to remind.
    Make some kind of official statement that all ships coming from / to Odessa can pose a threat, so we reserve the right to open fire to kill. Let the owners of the ships decide for themselves how much the ships and the life of the crew are dear to them.
  17. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 31 October 2022 07: 34
    +6
    Being in a state of NWO with Ukraine and withdrawing from the grain deal, the Russian Federation can block all traffic to these ports. And figs on all the howls of the West. In the end, you need to respect yourself, and not spread your arms in a gesture of goodwill ... Or dry cargo ships to their ports for grain, money in advance.
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 31 October 2022 07: 58
      +2
      She may have been able to block it, but for this you need to have "eggs". But with this we have a big problem.
  18. alexey_444
    alexey_444 31 October 2022 07: 43
    +6
    It showed that we do not have a Black Sea fleet, we have ships, we have sailors, but there is no fleet, it’s good that they have shown this to us now, now the undercover games to promote worthless ships will end, as they say, it’s better now than when the big war starts, Tsushima already was.
  19. Uprun
    Uprun 31 October 2022 07: 47
    +6
    They survived ...., one big-eyed guy at the post saved the Black Sea Fleet ......., they will award the campaign with a diploma and let them go home for 10 days .... well, they will increase in rank ..... they will be promoted to senior sailor (corporal) .... I alone want to spit ...., reconnaissance, barriers and other crap ....- this is not about us. The enemy is cunning, and we are careless.
    1. VPK-65
      VPK-65 31 October 2022 16: 56
      +1
      They survived ...., one big-eyed guy at the post saved the Black Sea Fleet ......., they will reward the campaign with a diploma and let them go home for 10 days ...

      Well done guy, apparently on time for a smoke break. But what will the fleet do without it? It's time to put a cage with geese on deck - the geese saved Rome ...
  20. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 31 October 2022 07: 56
    +5
    If we let the ships go to Odessa, there will be another blow to the image of our country. So other countries with this "mysterious" NWO look at us as suckers. Still, if we want to be respected in the world, we must be responsible for our words.
  21. Third district
    Third district 31 October 2022 08: 10
    +1
    By continuing the implementation of the "grain deal" Ukraine is trying to test the reaction of Russia

    Most likely, Russia will again enter the "grain deal". And then they went somewhere, without the permission of Abramovich.
  22. thrush68
    thrush68 31 October 2022 08: 51
    -1
    The Black Sea raft will not, I think, block ships with grain, because it is a raft.
  23. megadeth
    megadeth 31 October 2022 10: 11
    +1
    Information is being confirmed that Ukraine, together with Turkey and UN representatives, agreed that the so-called "grain deal" will continue. Such a statement was made by Ukrainian representatives, who described their decision as follows: "despite Russia's withdrawal from the agreement."
    ...- "Again, we were simply cheated," some leaders have to repeat this more and more often ... recourse
  24. iouris
    iouris 31 October 2022 12: 34
    0
    When the Russian Federation is not affected by anything, then this is called a "deal".
  25. CYM
    CYM 31 October 2022 12: 45
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Since the Black Sea Fleet showed himself to be a whipping boy

    In fairness, ships of the Black Sea Fleet still occasionally shoot with calibers. IMHO True, expensive and vulnerable platforms for launching the CD are coming out. In this regard, Iskanders and Bastions, not to mention Geraniums, will be preferable.
  26. Volzhanin64
    Volzhanin64 31 October 2022 13: 38
    +1
    Well, let's gobble it up again. It is one thing to claim that you are a great power, and another to prove it. Who will respect and listen to us in the world if we do not prove our deeds and words with real deeds, and not with Lavrov's next concerns
  27. T800-101
    T800-101 31 October 2022 13: 49
    0
    And what was the point of Russia's participation in this grain deal? Completely lose face? So here you are, lost. No one hides already that they will manage without us. As a last resort, the ships will go along the western coast of the Black Sea through the territorial waters of the NATO countries. What will we do? Wipe snot from afar? So it was possible to do this without a deal.
  28. Sedoy
    Sedoy 31 October 2022 14: 24
    +1
    "Ukraine, Turkey and the UN agreed on a plan for the movement of 16 ships in the Black Sea without the participation of Russia
    On Monday, 31.10.2022/14/XNUMX, without Russia, the movement of XNUMX vessels was agreed as part of the grain deal. Six more ships left Ukrainian ports on Sunday. So far, Moscow does not repair any opposition to this, and there is also no information about possible measures of such opposition on the part of Russia.
    The UN also noted that it had agreed with Ukraine and Turkey a plan for the movement of 16 vessels on Monday, October 31. 12 will depart from Ukrainian ports, and 4 will arrive there. The organization also intends to inspect the next 40 ships anchored in the port of Istanbul during today.
    Moscow has previously said that it will not continue to participate in the deal for the time being, since it cannot “guarantee the safety of civilian ships” ©
    ----
    that's all... :)
    the West, as usual, laid on the Kremlin show-offs ...
    he realized a long time ago that you should not pay attention to talkers ...