The ballad of the "iron hat" and the simplest balaclava helmets

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The ballad of the "iron hat" and the simplest balaclava helmets
This shot from Joan of Arc (1999) shows two types of helmets popular in the Middle Ages. Far left - "chapelle de fer", the next two - barbutes with a visor


“A straight sword on his side and a military bow over his shoulders testified to his profession, and a crumpled steel helmet showed that he was not on vacation, but had come straight from the battlefields ... and a freshly plucked broom branch that adorned the helmet brought into the gloomy, visited battles armor a dash of softness and gaiety."
"White Company" by Arthur Conan Doyle

stories about weapons. Middle Ages. It is always nice when your work does not go to waste, but arouses interest. So a recent article about medieval helmets caused a corresponding response: at least two people, but the regulars of the section "History"wanted to get acquainted in more detail with a whole "bunch" of helmets of that time, and they were not too lazy to even paint their chronological sequence. They were interested in: spangelhelm, capelin, sallet, morion, kabasset, and even morion-kabasset, that is, one of the very original "hybrid" helmets. That's just in order to tell more about them, there are, as it turned out, serious problems. Firstly, the framework of the cycle itself - 476-1450. And the morion, kabasset and morion-kabasset helmets go beyond these limits, since they are the helmets of the New Age. And… they are not found in miniatures of handwritten manuscripts! That is, in order to talk about them, one must again contact overseas museums and check whether their attitude towards such a lonely researcher as the author of this cycle has changed after February 24 or not. To a certain extent, this also applies to the Spangelhelm helmet, since its image in miniatures that have come down to us is a rarity, and I don’t want to add Roman time here. Therefore, let's do this: while there is a correspondence on the topic “can-not”, we will continue our story about the helmets of the Middle Ages on the basis of what is - that is, miniatures from manuscripts. Yes, and I would not want to interfere in the materials of this cycle with illustrations from handwritten books with printed ones, and photographs from museums. Well, then we will act according to the circumstances for the common good.




Helmet-Servillier - depicted in such a way that you can’t imagine better. One of the earliest images. "The Maciejowski Bible", 1244-1254 Paris, Pierpont Morgan Library and Museum, New York


The same years, but a different region, and different miniaturists. Before us again are our old acquaintances David and Goliath. Please note that Goliath has a strange cap on his head that does not look like a helmet or a hat! "The Bible of St. John of Acre", 1250-1254. Acre. National Library of the State of Israel, Givat Ram Campus of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Therefore, today our story will go only about the “iron hat” - an extremely popular helmet of the Middle Ages, and the helmets of the servilliers (which can be translated as “servant”) and the bascinet before the transformation of the latter into the well-known Bundhugel.


David and Goliath, the last one wearing the Chapelle de Fer helmet. "The sum of the king", 1295 Paris, France. British Library, London

So, the Chapelle de Fer helmet, the simplest protective device for the head. Moreover, images of this helmet have come down to us in the style of ... "maximum", let's say, "minimalism" ...


Here is the helmet. But why was it made like this? For the purpose of ventilation or in order to save metal? "Chronicle Badouin d'Aven", 1275-1299 France. Municipal Mediatheque of Arras


Is it a helmet or a leather balaclava? Who knows... Drawing inside the initial, capital letter in the text of the manuscript. The source is the same


Another initial and a similar helmet from the same chronicle. But there are no holes in it! Same source


And finally, we have before us a typical for the last quarter of the XIII century. helmet-hat "chapelle de fer". "Historical Bible", 1300-1350. National Library of France, Paris

Let's start with the fact that the iron hat helmet did not appear until the end of the XNUMXth century. In any case, this is the opinion of such an authoritative British researcher of this topic as K. Blair. "Chapelle de fer" (as it was called in French) in England was called "shape" (shapewe). The crown of the helmet was not deep and had different shapes: conical, sphero-conical, conical with a flat top, hemispherical. At the same time, it was always supplied with fields, larger or smaller, also of a conical shape. Even a village blacksmith could make such a helmet, which is why it was the “iron hat” that became the most massive helmet of medieval infantry. Although not only…


The most famous knight in the "hat". "Appeal in verse to Robert of Anjou, King of Naples", 1335-1340. Tuscany, Italy. British Library, London

As already noted in the previous material, in order to protect their essentially priceless heads as best as possible, by the middle of the 1309th century, warriors of the knightly class began to wear not only a quilted cap and a chain mail hood under the “big helmet”, but also a hemispherical iron cap, called servillera. It's funny that in some cases this balaclava was associated with another - a bascinet (or were they at first so similar that they were even confused?). The same name was also used to designate a balaclava in general, so that in one French document of XNUMX one can even read that each bascinet must also be equipped with its own servillier.


In theory, in this miniature from the manuscript "Ancient History before Caesar", 1325-1350. Naples, Italy. The British Library, London, should present clothing and armor from the era of the Ancient World. But since the illustrators of the Middle Ages did not possess historical thinking, as well as knowledge of the past, they depicted the present very accurately. In particular, helmets-balaclavas of the XIV century. and "big helmets" like "sugar loaf"

That is, in any case, it was a globular helmet with a shallow fit on the head, worn over a chain mail hood! The term "bascinet" itself is rare in texts around 1300. Then more and more often until 1450, after which it is used less and less and completely goes out of use by 1550.

Thus, in this case we can talk about the development of balaclava helmets, and we will most likely never know how exactly they were called in each specific case.

K. Blair noted that their development led to the emergence of three forms. The first was a small rounded helmet with protrusions on the sides to protect the ears and with a chin strap to hold it on the head - a typical servillier. Obviously, both ordinary warriors (if they didn’t have enough money for anything else!), And noble knights could wear it as a constant head protection, and just before a spear collision, over it they put on their painted and decorated with heraldic figures " big helmets.


A very interesting source is the Holkham Bible, 1327-1335. England. Posner Memorial Collection, London. The theme of the miniature is, in general, banal: "Judas kisses Christ." But the helmets on the warriors are very interesting. On the second from the left is a rusty helmet "chapel de fer", and all the rest are clearly in helmets with a reinforcement rib, characteristic of barbute helmets

“Helmets of the second type” - with a conical or hemispherical top and an arcuate cutout for the face, and descending almost to the shoulders on the sides and back, just refer to barbute helmets. And sometimes they could have both a nasal and a movable visor. When the visor was closed, this helmet was often indistinguishable from a "grand slam". Liliana and Fred Funken call such helmets without a visor - barbute sallet. Well, with a visor, they were also very similar to a bascinet helmet, but not a bascinet-bundhugel. He has a visor with perforated holes for breathing with a conical ledge. But we talked about it in the previous article ...

The last third type is a high conical helmet, the lower edge of which extends just above the line of the ears. It was used from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries, although it is impossible to establish exactly which helmet it came from, according to C. Blair. And you can call it both a bascinet and a barbut, since they are very similar to each other.


But on this miniature, all three of these helmets, as if specially for us, lined up in a row: the first on the left is a barbut (and with a visor), the one in the center, on the head of a warrior with a cut off nose - the first type (servillier), and the last one - barbute with reinforcement rib. He is the tallest, although pointed and not very much. Holkham Bible, 1327-1335 England. Posner Memorial Collection, London

E. Oakeshott, a well-known "master of swords" and the author of many books on the history of knightly weapons, believed that the Icelandic chronicles (when compared with the much more famous annals of England and France) give us very detailed descriptions of the full armament of a knight of the 1250th century. In one such chronicle, Speculum regale (Royal Mirror) is a Norwegian didactic text in Old Norse dating from around XNUMX. Its author gives his son instructions on what his military duty is and in what armor and what weapon is best for the “correct knight” to fight. There, several times there is a mention of a “good helmet” and an “iron cap” with “suspended details”. Perhaps this meant a helmet with suspended side and rear plates, like the Wendel helmets, or perhaps a more fashionable version of a small hemispherical helmet with a lifting visor.


New Chronicle, 1348 Vatican Apostolic Library, Rome. What do we see here? The Guelphs against the Ghibellines, some with Chapelle de Fer helmets, while others with Servilliers helmets. The sign of the Ghibellines was a white rose or a red lily, so they are on the left in this miniature.


The same source. Only now the knights of Guelph are on it. As for the knight in the crowned "hat", it is most likely Louis (Ludwig) IV of Bavaria. Although ... it depends on how to look at his coat of arms on a blanket and on a shield. The eagle on a blanket must obey the "rule of the left hand", that is, look with your head towards the enemy. Therefore, on the coat of arms on the blanket on the right, the eagle should look forward and to the left, and vice versa on the left side. Here he looks to the right and on the blanket, and on the shield ... But he should look to the left on the shield!

Returning to the story of the “iron hat”, it should be noted (by the way, C. Blair himself stubbornly calls it cabasset in his works!) more metal is consumed than before, but the protective properties of such a helmet also increase - it is easier for blows to slide off it. In the XIV and XV centuries. in England, the chain mail hood loses its top, and what remains of it begins to be fastened to a balaclava helmet, which is now more and more often called the bascinet. Such a shortened hood in England was given the name aventale (preface), and in France - kamai. But usually in everyday life in these countries were both of these words. It is interesting that in the manuscript of the "Life of Two Offs", dating from about 1320, you can see a knight dressed in chain mail and with a chain mail hood that completely covers his head, but at the same time - with a visor on his face! It is not clear how it was attached to the chain mail, but why did the artist draw this? By the way, this is the only image of a visor fixed in such a strange way.


And, finally, a miniature from the Chronicle of England before Henry V, 1440-1450. Bodleian Library, Oxford University. Pay attention to the helmet of a warrior in its very center. Now it’s clear where the British got their helmets from in the First, and even in the Second World War!

So? Then a lot of different helmets and their varieties appeared - the “grand bascinet”, and salads (Italian, German, French), and barbutes, and arme. But the “iron hat” (also called the chapel) eventually survived them all, and it was worn not only by infantrymen, but also by the most noble knights, although usually with a bouvier chin, and why this is so is understandable. Well, the last version of the “hat” was put on by the British infantry during the First World War! This “basin”, which became legendary in its own way, was patented in 1915 by Londoner John Brodie, taking as a basis precisely the medieval “iron hat” of the chapel!

PS Well, about all the other "helmets" of the Middle Ages and the era of the New Age, stories will follow ...
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  1. +5
    4 November 2022 05: 53
    Well, the last version of the “hat” was put on by the British infantry during the First World War!

    This helmet was convenient in positional warfare, when stones and pieces of earth fell into the trenches after the explosion of an enemy shell.
    Why these helmets continued to live in WWII is a mystery ...
    1. +1
      4 November 2022 10: 38
      Quote: Luminman
      This helmet was convenient in positional warfare, when stones and pieces of earth fell into the trenches after the explosion of an enemy shell.
      Its main task is to protect against shrapnel.
      Quote: Luminman
      Why these helmets continued to live in WWII is a mystery ...
      What was, then used, most likely. Let me remind you that after Dunkirk, the British were left so without weapons that they were on duty with homemade peaks.
      1. -1
        4 November 2022 10: 53
        Quote: bk0010
        Its main task is to protect against shrapnel

        Do they shoot shrapnel from the sky? wink
        1. +3
          4 November 2022 11: 11
          Below, Shpakovsky explained how the shrapnel projectile works.
        2. +5
          4 November 2022 12: 05
          Quote: Luminman
          Do they shoot shrapnel from the sky? wink
          Have you heard the term "shrapnel rain", "shrapnel umbrella" (for tanks)? When firing, the tube of the shrapnel projectile is exposed so that it explodes over the trenches. After the introduction of helmets, thousands of new wounded appeared in the British troops, the hospitals choked, these were those who would have been killed by shrapnel before.
          1. 0
            4 November 2022 13: 47
            Have you heard the term "shrapnel rain", "shrapnel umbrella" (for tanks)?

            To be honest, I've never heard of this...
        3. 0
          7 November 2022 12: 06
          No, but it falls from above. Shards from their anti-aircraft artillery, too. Fragments from air bursts of fragmentation with tubes - too.
    2. +2
      4 November 2022 22: 34
      Well, the last version of the “hat” was put on by the British infantry during the First World War!

      I must say that not only the British. The Americans in this helmet flaunted from 1917 to 1941, it seems, and even later - in the units that took the battle in the Philippines. Although by 1941 another helmet had already been created - the M1, known from films and video games.
      Also - helmets similar to English ones, even before the war, began to be produced here, for MPVO.
      From wikipedia: "Junior commander of the 31st police department Bondarenko in a metal helmet of a new type, with wide brim, protecting his head and face from bruises." The so-called MPVO helmet. September 25, 1941


      Why not a chapel chapel? About these helmets on the site there was also an article by R. Skomorokhov in 2017-18, EMNIP.
  2. +8
    4 November 2022 06: 04
    Good morning Comrades!
    Thanks to Vyacheslav for continuing the topic.
    About the spatula-j-Fer, I can add that it did not protect the owner badly during the assault on fortresses and castles, from throwing weapons, etc. However, its advantage (the maximum area of ​​​​protection of a human carcass) took place if the owner was below the source of the threat. Therefore, apparently he took root in the infantry. Moreover, unlike the "pots", the latter gave a good overview.
    Regards, Vlad!
    1. +8
      4 November 2022 07: 22
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      However, its advantage (the maximum area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbprotection of a human carcass) took place if the owner was below the source of the threat

      And if the threat was in front, it was enough to tilt your head. In combination with a high gorget - quite reliable protection.
      1. +3
        4 November 2022 09: 16
        Hi Michael!
        I agree, although you need to lose situational awareness on the battlefield. Don't know.
        More interesting.

        The combination of a felt lining, a skeleton helmet and a chain mail hood on top is quite curious. Although I would add two more stripes.
        1. +7
          4 November 2022 12: 11
          Hello, Vlad.
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          More interesting.

          Any cat should know this person by sight and hate.

          It seems to me that this is him, his face and hat are practically the same. smile
          But seriously, it’s hard to say what the author was trying to portray, but that’s how I would make a felt, cloth or leather balaclava, on which a real steel helmet would already be pushed.
      2. 0
        7 November 2022 12: 11
        And if the infantryman lay down (WWII, WWII) - protection of the whole body in front - fragments, a blast wave.
    2. +4
      4 November 2022 10: 35
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      thanks for continuing the thread.

      Soon there will be a sequel based on museum artifacts
      1. +3
        4 November 2022 10: 48
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        thanks for continuing the thread.

        Soon there will be a sequel based on museum artifacts

        We're already licking!
  3. +7
    4 November 2022 06: 49
    Good morning everyone! smile
    This “basin”, which became legendary in its own way, was patented in 1915 by Londoner John Brodie, taking as a basis precisely the medieval “iron hat” of the chapel!


    Mark I -- The advantages of the product include:
    original form;
    saving time on assembly: for the production of helmets, one blank is needed;
    increased structural strength;
    reduction in the number of interoperational transitions: the helmet is shaped in one stroke of the press.

    In addition to Great Britain, the Mark I model was used to equip military personnel in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Norway, Portugal, and the USA.
    All in World War I, of course.

    Vyacheslav - thanks! good
    1. +6
      4 November 2022 07: 27
      Good morning, Constantine!

      I agree. Assembly time was saved.
      The lives of those in the trenches are far from always.
      1. +6
        4 November 2022 07: 35
        Good morning, Sergey! smile

        Staff warriors still believed that the fields of this basin would cover the infantryman from shrapnel. belay One word - theorists, what can I say ...
        And I also liked this name - "barbutes with a visor."
        You say to someone: "Well, you, Barbute with a visor!, so after all, in response, some heavy object can fly into the face. laughing
        1. +4
          4 November 2022 07: 46
          It depends on the presence of the wearer's beard. But, first of all, from his brains.
          1. +4
            4 November 2022 08: 02
            Yeah, you can’t guess here, especially without the presence of a beard. laughing
            1. +4
              4 November 2022 09: 44
              The frost is starting. And you don't want to shave if you don't have to. We have a long winter.
              However, April is fast approaching.
              1. +4
                4 November 2022 09: 51
                Yes, we have been snowing since the night, now it has stopped. But you're right, spring is getting closer every day, the whole problem is how to survive this winter.
                1. +2
                  4 November 2022 11: 30
                  This is a universal problem. "Kalevala" will not let you lie.
                  1. +4
                    4 November 2022 11: 35
                    "Kalevala" will not let you lie.


                    That's for sure. wink
        2. +4
          4 November 2022 08: 48
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Staff warriors still believed that the fields of this basin would cover the infantryman from shrapnel.


          More like saber strikes.
          1. +5
            4 November 2022 08: 52
            This is more like reality, but the Memorandum of the British General Staff refers specifically to shrapnel.
          2. 0
            4 November 2022 12: 23
            Quote: Illanatol
            from saber strikes

            I read somewhere that in the Battle of Gettysburg, only six people were wounded by sabers, as a military doctor wrote about separately, despite the fact that there were thousands wounded by bullets. So the sabers for WWI could be considered a very outdated weapon, only for the parade.
            1. +3
              4 November 2022 13: 53
              Was swordsmanship developed in the American States?
              Neither the confederates nor the northerners had the skills to use cavalry sabers. Therefore, their cavalry used firearms, and with a saber they could only try to pierce the enemy with a piercing blow!
              The British cavalry for WWI was armed with a "sword" capable of only stabbing. It was impossible to kill the enemy with them!
              1. +4
                4 November 2022 14: 29
                The last cavalry battle took place during WWII, between the Poles and the Germans.
                Hi Aleksey!
                1. +2
                  4 November 2022 15: 18
                  Krasnobrodskaya battle on September 23, 1939?
                  1. +2
                    4 November 2022 15: 21
                    Yes, probably so. The fact itself was deposited in the memory, but without details.
                    1. +2
                      5 November 2022 11: 19
                      Two days later, the Polish uhlans surrendered.
                      That's all the details.
            2. 0
              4 November 2022 14: 18
              So the sabers for WWI could be considered a very outdated weapon, only for the parade.


              Well, this is typical, preparing for the last war. WWI was conceived as a war maneuverable by both sides. And in a mobile war, cavalry is in demand.
              We have a trihedral bayonet on rifles and remained in the Second World War. And this bayonet is also for fighting cavalry.
              The British probably did not know exactly who they would have to fight. Relations with Russia at the beginning of the 20th century were not very warm. And the Russian Cossacks have not gone anywhere yet.
              1. Fat
                +1
                5 November 2022 04: 44
                Since 1870, Russian rifles have not been equipped with a triangular bayonet. In the First World War, especially in the Second World War, the rifles of Berdan 1 and Krnk could only be noted by chance - the wrong calibers (4.2 and 6 lines, respectively).
                1. 0
                  5 November 2022 08: 34
                  Oh really?
                  A triangular bayonet for the Mosin rifle (which entered service, however, later than 1870) can still be bought.

                  https://kusnica.ru/product/shtyk-mosina-trehgrannyy-4128

                  However, the tetrahedral was also not bad against cavalry.
                  1. Fat
                    0
                    5 November 2022 10: 50
                    You can buy anything, especially now. There are always at least two fools in the market: one is selling, the other is buying. wassat
                    Starting with Berdan 2 (1870), all subsequent RIA rifles were equipped with a four-sided "needle", of course, including the Mosin rifle (three-line rifle of the 1891 model)
                    Article about 1891/1930 rifle bayonets:
                    https://topwar.ru/89780-shtyki-vintovki-mosina.html
    2. +10
      4 November 2022 07: 31
      Hello Uncle Kostya, I think Adrian's helmets, although less technologically advanced, are no less famous!

      These were stamped here in Lysva!

      And this is a miracle, wandering on the Internet under the heading "tournament helmets", although apparently a French tank helmet from the First World War! hi
      1. +4
        4 November 2022 07: 38
        although apparently a French tank helmet


        Why were they not enough tank armor ?! belay

        Hello Vladislav! drinks
        1. +6
          4 November 2022 07: 53
          The armor impact from a projectile hit caused the detachment of small metal particles inside the tank, affecting open areas of the body. The Germans, in turn, hung chain mail nets on the helmets of tankers. It's strange that you don't know...
          Hi Uncle Kostya!
          1. +5
            4 November 2022 08: 00
            I am aware of small particles of metal, but I hear about the fact that muzzles were specially covered from them for the first time, and I also see a helmet for the first time. Yes, and the tanks then were such that with a direct hit by a projectile, they immediately received a full kirdyk, the armor was practically bulletproof. I mean the First World War, of course.
            But the Panzerwaffe has neither nets nor helmets to which these nets can be attached.
            Hello Anton! smile
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            2. +6
              4 November 2022 08: 34
              But the Panzerwaffe has neither nets nor helmets to which these nets can be attached.

              1. +3
                4 November 2022 08: 48
                So this is the First World War, everything was decided by trial and error. And the "Panzerwaffe" was not even in the project then, just as there were no such generals as Rommel and Guderian.
                And they didn’t have helmets with muzzles either.



                This is where they fought.
                1. +3
                  4 November 2022 08: 53
                  So Vlad wrote in his comment about WWI!
                  1. +3
                    4 November 2022 09: 00
                    So what did I write about above?

                    I mean the First World War, of course.

                    So this is the First World War, everything was decided by trial and error.


                    Everything else has been said above as well. smile

                    Yes, and we do not argue with Vlad ... request
          2. +4
            4 November 2022 09: 05
            Hello Anton!
            Such muzzles were in most cases used as protection against splashes of lead through the observation slots. Although more advanced ones were equipped with stratoscopes.
            1. +6
              4 November 2022 09: 17
              Hello, Vlad!
              And the ancient Roman tankers used these:
              1. +1
                4 November 2022 09: 41
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Hello, Vlad!
                And the ancient Roman tankers used these:

                I was curious about what was in vogue among the "elephant breeders" during the second Punic War!
                The Internet hung up and gave out - this is:



                However, the presence of a crest on the helmet is not only a solution to the complex of low stature, but also a stiffening rib.
                1. +3
                  4 November 2022 10: 59
                  High combs usually had a flimsy mount - on 1-2 tubes. stiffener
                  could not serve.
                  For rigidity, the rib must be forged at the same time with the helmet or fastened to the one-piece forged one as it should, with a lot of rivets.
                  Attaching a high comb is very rigid - it's more expensive. With side impacts on the ridge there will be a lever that turns the neck
        2. +4
          4 November 2022 10: 55
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Why were they not enough tank armor ?!

          As much as 5 mm windshield? ))
          1. +7
            4 November 2022 11: 27
            No, why not. The Renault F-17 had a frontal hull armor thickness of 16mm, and the turrets reached 22mm. She held the bullet well. wink
            1. +3
              4 November 2022 14: 06
              Tanks were created to fight enemy machine guns.
              But the Teutons created anti-tank guns and rifles to fight enemy tanks.
              So that they do not help the enemy infantry to break through the German defense lines.
              And heavy machine guns were created primarily to combat armored vehicles.
            2. +1
              4 November 2022 18: 45
              So, from something she received fragments of armor inside - it is the eyes that are protected by an iron grill hi
              1. +1
                5 November 2022 02: 11
                - it is the eyes hi that are protected by an iron grill


                It turns out that's exactly what it is.
      2. Fat
        +5
        4 November 2022 08: 08
        hi Hello Vladislav. Actually, the SSH-36 did not go so far from Adrian's helmet, the same fields and the invoice "scallop", only fields with a crown - one stamp ...
        1. +4
          4 November 2022 09: 02
          Andrew, I'm not arguing! However, from what they left, they came to that!


          One of the protected helmets of Russia "Sphere".
          1. +4
            4 November 2022 10: 05
            from what they left, to that they came!





            Here, too, modern helmets painfully remind me of something.
            1. +6
              4 November 2022 10: 59
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Here, too, modern helmets painfully remind me of something




              And these are helmets after the war ... wink
              1. +5
                4 November 2022 11: 17
                I remember, during my childhood, a neighbor from the Wehrmacht helmet fed the chickens. laughing
            2. Fat
              +3
              4 November 2022 12: 00
              Quote: Sea Cat
              from what they left, to that they came!






              Is very similar.


              Greetings Konstantin. How else? All repeats.
              1. +3
                4 November 2022 12: 48
                Hi Andrew! smile

                Well, this is already some kind of Darth Vader from Heckler-and-Koch. . laughing

                1. +4
                  4 November 2022 17: 21
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Well, this is already some kind of Darth Vader from Heckler-and-Koch. .

                  Or the Mandalorian.
                  1. +2
                    5 November 2022 02: 14
                    Or the Mandalorian.


                    Looks like a viper. laughing



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            3. +4
              4 November 2022 14: 08
              Considered one of the best forms of steel helmet for protecting the head and neck of a soldier.
              That's why everyone took a similar form when developing new helmets.
      3. +3
        4 November 2022 09: 24
        "We are in Lysva"
        Good morning.
        What do you have to do with Lysva?
        1. +3
          4 November 2022 10: 47
          Quote: ee2100
          "We are in Lysva"
          Good morning.
          What do you have to do with Lysva?

          Alexander, I am from Nizhny Sereg., and the Lysvensky plant during the First World War was part of the "Association of the Serginsky and Nizhneufalesky Plants." The main office was in Nizhniye Sergi. Here are some pies with kittens.
          1. +3
            4 November 2022 10: 57
            My mother was born in Lysva and worked at the LMZ. Now there are cousins ​​and sisters.
            This year I was going to Lysva, but .... maybe next year.
    3. +5
      4 November 2022 10: 54
      Quote: Sea Cat
      In addition to Great Britain, the Mark I model was used to equip military personnel in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Norway, Portugal, and the USA.
      All in World War I, of course.

      Greetings, Constantine!
      As well as all the former British colonies, moreover, Pakistan and India - somewhere before the 80s. ))
  4. 0
    4 November 2022 07: 39
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    I think Adrian's helmets, although less technologically advanced

    It is not entirely clear what kind of metal "comb" was riveted to the top of the helmet?
    1. +1
      4 November 2022 10: 53
      Rigidity rib. On the early helmets, it was fastened with six rivets, then with two. By the way, he closed the ventilation slot in the helmet.
      1. +1
        4 November 2022 11: 12
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        stiffener

        Why does a helmet need a stiffener? The radial curves of the helmet are its natural stiffening ribs.wink
  5. +5
    4 November 2022 07: 51
    Quote: Luminman
    what kind of metal "comb" was riveted to the top of the helmet?

    He hid ventilation holes. Look closely, there is a gap on the side!
  6. 0
    4 November 2022 08: 46
    Quote: Luminman
    Well, the last version of the “hat” was put on by the British infantry during the First World War!

    This helmet was convenient in positional warfare, when stones and pieces of earth fell into the trenches after the explosion of an enemy shell.
    Why these helmets continued to live in WWII is a mystery ...


    I also need Newton's binomial. What, you didn’t have to sit in the trenches in WWII? Or did pieces of earth, fragments (from explosions), etc., not fall from above and in open areas? Helmets / helmets did not save from a rifle bullet, but completely from a PP bullet.
    Well, if the assault groups (and in the Red Army too) used a semblance of cuirasses, then why not be helmets?
    1. 0
      4 November 2022 09: 17
      What, you didn’t have to sit in the trenches in WWII?

      World War II was a war of maneuver. Although they also sat in the trenches ...
      1. +2
        4 November 2022 09: 22
        Quote: Luminman
        World War II was a war of maneuver.


        Sometimes it was maneuverable, sometimes it was quite positional.
        How long has GA "Center" stood near Moscow? And how long did the blockade of Leningrad last?
        Different, in short, was this war. Especially on the Eastern Front.
        1. +1
          4 November 2022 09: 26
          Quote: Illanatol
          Different, in short, this war was

          This war was associated with the movement of huge masses of manpower and equipment, which was not the case in previous wars! Sitting in the trenches are just small episodes of this war
          1. +1
            5 November 2022 08: 40
            Most of the time, the infantry had to sit in the trenches / dugouts. Which, at times, settled down as a native home.
      2. +2
        4 November 2022 10: 55
        Quote: Luminman
        What, you didn’t have to sit in the trenches in WWII?

        World War II was a war of maneuver. Although they also sat in the trenches ...

        It is probably more correct to say that World War II was a different kind of war!
        hi
        1. +2
          4 November 2022 11: 16
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          It is probably more correct to say that World War II was a different kind of war!

          Leaving aside the war in the Pacific, it was still more maneuverable. And they sat in the trenches only because the warring parties in the rear were accumulating strength for a new movement ...

          PS Well, a more correct definition of WWII is a war of economies. Whose economy deflates first, he lost ... wink
    2. 0
      5 November 2022 10: 19
      Why these helmets continued to live in WWII is a mystery ...

      It would be nice to look at the stock figures in warehouses. Throw them out and make new ones? That's what they gave out.
  7. +1
    4 November 2022 08: 51
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I am aware of small particles of metal, but I hear about the fact that muzzles were specially covered from them for the first time, and I also see a helmet for the first time. Yes, and the tanks then were such that with a direct hit by a projectile, they immediately received a full kirdyk, the armor was practically bulletproof. I mean the First World War, of course.


    And what was the PTO in the First World War? They used field guns against tanks that fired shrapnel. Or even machine guns or grenades. So the armor impact could easily have been.
    1. +3
      4 November 2022 08: 55
      Quote: Illanatol
      that fired shrapnel.

      Set to strike. The shell pierced the armor and "shot" inside the tank!
      1. +5
        4 November 2022 09: 03
        Vyacheslav, but about the "shrapnel to strike" can be more detailed. I really became interested.
        1. +3
          4 November 2022 10: 26
          Quote: Sea Cat
          about "shrapnel to strike" can be more detailed.

          Can! The 76mm "reel" projectile was the most popular, having multiple tube mounts, as did the German 77 and the French 75mm. There were tubes of domestic 22 seconds and imported 24. That is, "sight 17, tube 20" - the projectile will explode in the air on the spirit of the trajectory at 20 seconds. But it was possible to turn the same key to put the cooking on the beat. Then the projectile exploded, or rather fired its filling on impact. The charge was made of black powder (so that there was smoke!), so the glass of the projectile often did not even break, but ... threw the bullets forward with acceleration + the projectile's own speed and its mass at the moment of impact - 6,5 kilos. The armor broke through, the projectile "shot" and a charge of shrapnel was driven into the tank, destroying everything and crippling everyone. But it had to be at a good angle. Otherwise, a "spoon" was obtained on the armor without breaking through!
          1. +3
            4 November 2022 10: 41
            Understood and thanks. So, with a successful hit by such a projectile, all these cunning helmets were absolutely useless. request
            1. +4
              4 November 2022 10: 56
              Quote: Sea Cat
              were absolutely useless.

              Absolutely! The tank just collapsed. Gasoline fumes flared up ... But such hits were few.
          2. 0
            7 November 2022 12: 26
            Sight 17 zto 850 m, direct fire. And the tube 20 is mounted shooting, somewhere around 7-10 km. Doesn't stick.
            1. 0
              7 November 2022 16: 45
              Quote: stankow
              Sight 17 zto 850 m, direct fire. And the tube 20 is mounted shooting, somewhere around 7-10 km. Doesn't stick.

              Obviously it doesn't fit. A joke of humor. That's why it's in quotation marks.
        2. +3
          4 November 2022 10: 41
          By the way, Konstantin. Just in my novel "Three from Ensk", book 1, it is described in detail how they shoot from this cannon of ours precisely "to strike", only not at tanks, but at river boats.
          1. +2
            4 November 2022 10: 44
            If on the river and not armored, then the shrapnel bullets will simply get from above without the "help" of the projectile itself.
            1. +4
              4 November 2022 10: 53
              Quote: Sea Cat
              then just shrapnel bullets from above

              They won't sink! And here it was necessary to sink. And the Reds on the Volga also used Finn-class destroyers, transferred according to the Mariinsky system! They didn't care about shrapnel!
              1. +4
                4 November 2022 10: 59
                Somehow, the memoirs of white rivermen from the Volga got to me, what and how they did, how they fought ... It is on their basis that this part of the novel was written. So everything is correct. But it needs to be READ. By the way, no regrets!
              2. +5
                4 November 2022 11: 12
                They won't sink!

                This is what caliber they will beat, they won’t sink a 3-inch, but the team will be completely knocked out, and the control will be damaged.
                I read about the Finns, it was a good move, to overtake the sea ships to the river, the Finns cost little at the maritime theater, they were already outdated by the beginning of the war, everything was outdated with the advent of Novik, and not only with us. But on the river and in the Caspian they simply had no enemy.

                "Moskvityanin", and there were also "Finn" and "Emir of Bukhara" (built on the personal funds of this very emir))))
                1. +3
                  4 November 2022 11: 19
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  They won’t sink a 3-inch one, but they will completely knock out the team, and the control will be damaged.

                  In my memoirs and in my novel, all this is written in detail !!! How it all happened in reality...
                  1. +2
                    4 November 2022 11: 29
                    Okay, I'll get there - I'll read it. smile

                    PS The text of your comment is too short and, in the opinion of the site administration, does not contain useful information. request
                    1. +2
                      4 November 2022 13: 17
                      .
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Okay, I'll get there - I'll read it.

                      Exactly! Now you stand, Konstantin, on the correct point of view on the subject!
                      1. +3
                        4 November 2022 13: 35
                        Now you stand, Konstantin, on the correct point of view on the subject!

                        Yeah... laughing
                2. +3
                  4 November 2022 14: 26
                  These were destroyers from the "Volunteers" series.
                  Built on voluntary donations from citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia. The Emir of Bukhara transferred 1 million rubles.
                  In honor of this, one of the destroyers was named "Emir of Bukhara"!
                  There were several series of "Volunteers" built in the Second Reich - the German Empire.
                  And, as usual, the customer lived in the last war. The initial armament options for destroyers during WWI had to be changed and strengthened.
                  1. 0
                    5 November 2022 02: 08
                    And, as usual, the customer lived in the last war

                    That's right, it's not for nothing that they say that all generals and admirals are always preparing for the last war.
                    1. +1
                      5 November 2022 11: 15
                      Rafail Mikhailovich Melnikov Dobrovolets class destroyers
                      St. Petersburg 1999
                      “Routine is terrible for business in those cases when thought leaves it, when it turns into meaningless ritualism. It was this routine that with its iron grip fettered the minds of the Russian authorities when ordering destroyers of the “Volunteer” class. Without awareness of the overwhelming power of routine, it is impossible to understand either the history of the creation of these ships, or their future fate. In this struggle with organized routine, the huge positive experience that had been accumulated over the previous 20 years of destroyer shipbuilding was also lost. Attempts to promptly resolve issues ran into the persistence and insurmountability of the routine of the former management structures. Everything proceeded in the worst traditions of the past: underestimated requirements for design characteristics, prohibitively long disputes of expertise, unwillingness to provide creative freedom to the observers, inconsistency and pettiness of requirements, their frequent changes.
                      1. +1
                        5 November 2022 13: 04
                        Well, praise be to Allah, at least "Noviks" were built.
                      2. 0
                        5 November 2022 13: 13
                        The Germans...
                        And with the beginning of the war, they rushed about in search of power plants and other devices and mechanisms for Alya Novikov, which were being built at domestic shipyards!
                        His was metal, guns and torpedo tubes.
                      3. +2
                        5 November 2022 13: 27
                        His was metal, guns and torpedo tubes.


                        And design thought. The German destroyers in the year of the Novik's descent were no match for him.
      2. 0
        4 November 2022 09: 26
        Did the projectile always pierce? It probably depended on the type of gun (light howitzers could also be fired), the firing range, and the tanks are still different.
        If field guns could hit tanks with 100% chance, specialized anti-tank guns would not appear as a class at all.
        No absolute shield/armor, no absolute sword. Therefore, progress continues in this area (well, figuratively speaking, of course).
        1. +2
          4 November 2022 10: 28
          So that's the point! The pointing angle of the "reel" (76,2 mm Obuzovskaya gun) was only 5 degrees, and the same was the case for the 122 mm Schneider howitzer that we had in service. And you drive the tank in front of you into these degrees ... Turn the single-bar carriage ...
    2. +1
      4 November 2022 09: 02
      Shrapnel on tanks? Who, who, where and when? No, really, it's interesting.
      1. +2
        4 November 2022 14: 43
        The shrapnel projectile of the Soviet 76,2mm "division" could penetrate up to 25mm of armor.
    3. +1
      4 November 2022 12: 31
      If my memory serves me, the first to be defeated because of the economy was the notorious king Pyrrhus
      1. +3
        4 November 2022 14: 20
        They write that after the conquest of Epirus, the Romans slaughtered the entire Molos people, and sold 150 thousand people from other peoples into slavery!
        1. +2
          4 November 2022 14: 35
          Quote: hohol95
          They write that after the conquest of Epirus, the Romans slaughtered the entire Molos people, and sold 150 thousand people from other peoples into slavery!

          So it was!
  8. +2
    4 November 2022 10: 13
    Here is the helmet. But why was it made like this? For the purpose of ventilation or in order to save metal?
    From the caption to the figure.
    Actually not the worst idea. The crusher does not care, he will protect from the chopping one, the stabbing still needs to be hit, especially to the side.
  9. +2
    4 November 2022 11: 41
    The first lines of the article, not counting the title
    This shot from Joan of Arc (1999) shows two types of helmets popular in the Middle Ages. Far left - "chapelle de fer", the next two - barbutes with a visor
    There are no barbutes. These are canonical salads like this:
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      1. +3
        4 November 2022 12: 19
        Hardly a salad
        The quote I provided is a caption for a specific image. On which there is just one hat and two salads, as I brought, with open visors. What flashes there in other frames of the aforementioned "movie canvas" does not matter in this case.
        1. +3
          4 November 2022 12: 25
          Most likely I'm wrong. I took the wrong frame
          1. +4
            4 November 2022 13: 25
            From this angle, it's more of a salad, I agree. But I didn’t see this frame, and I didn’t review the film. Stopped for a photo. There will be an article with photos of helmets from museums ...
            1. +2
              4 November 2022 14: 14
              Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
              If you have not sent the article for moderation yet, I can offer you my own photo of a salad from the Hermitage collection.
              1. +1
                4 November 2022 15: 38
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                If you have not sent the article for moderation yet, I can offer you my own photo of a salad from the Hermitage collection.

                It would be great! Thank you! And another letter to you in a personal.
                1. +2
                  4 November 2022 15: 55
                  Okay, I'll switch to soap. There is a size suitable for placement on the resource.
    2. +3
      4 November 2022 13: 22
      Quote: abrakadabre
      canonical salads

      You know, before writing this, I looked at all these photos. And this way and that... And this too... And Funken's illustrations. And, as they say, the issue is debatable. There are sallets that look like barbutes and there are barbutes that look like sallets. So it's hard to say with 100% certainty, especially since it's still a movie.
      1. 0
        4 November 2022 15: 18
        And, as they say, the issue is debatable. There are sallets that look like barbutes and there are barbutes that look like sallets. So it's hard to say with 100% certainty, especially since it's still a movie.
        It doesn't matter what is in nature in general. What matters is what is in the particular image. If we are signing it and we are talking in the signature not in general about "ships plow the expanses of the Universe ...", but about a specific subject. In this case, these are the most common salads with a shallow visor, which require use with a bevor without fail. Which, by the way, is not on the presented frame from the film. But the helmets themselves are identified quite unambiguously, without interpretation.
        1. +1
          4 November 2022 15: 37
          Quote: abrakadabre
          implying use with a bevor without fail.

          Here you are 100% right.
  10. +1
    4 November 2022 13: 02
    On the miniature depicting the kiss of Judas, at the top left is something similar to Godendag - a thick club with a spike on the end?
    1. +2
      4 November 2022 13: 27
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      Godendag

      You have noticed this well. He is!
      1. +1
        4 November 2022 15: 46
        And the eye is like an eagle's! laughing
        I pay attention to small details.
  11. +1
    4 November 2022 13: 26
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues, good afternoon.
    In general, I was not going to enter the site, but the "small" one stole the book and. .... I have left, zaitm here.
    "To the village blacksmith" Vyacheslav Olegovich, but perhaps in the Middle Ages
    Was there industrial production?
    All these "plates" were made by artisans, but some were known only in the rural district, while others had a mvsterskik in the city and could afford to "turn up their noses" if large feudal lords used their services
    1. Fat
      +3
      4 November 2022 13: 47
      hi
      Quote: Astra wild2
      but in the Middle Ages
      Was there industrial production?

      "Industrial production" was in ancient times. From there, the Romans had quite a sufficient number of weapons of the same type, for example, segmental lorics request
      1. +2
        4 November 2022 15: 43
        Andrei Borisovich? As I remember from the history textbook, in ancient times and the Middle Ages, they did not yet know the conveyor. It seems that the "father" of the assembly line, Henry Ford is the "first" and this is the end of the 19th century.
        I haven’t been in Ancient Rome and I can’t say something, but in the Middle Ages there were so-called guilds.
        Perhaps, due to the guilds, a semblance of unification was achieved?
        Let's say "swordsmen" are ordered 1000 swords, and armored men are ordered the same amount of armor
        1. Fat
          +1
          4 November 2022 16: 52
          Modern production actually began to take shape from the first industrial revolution, i.e. from the middle of the 18th to the middle of the 19th century. there were new machines, new tools, improved chemical processes used in production.
          Manufactories are the result of applying the division of labor into separate production operations. This has been going on since antiquity. Conveyor production is the apogee of the division of labor, where each worker can perform not even a whole operation, but some of its elements ...
          The conveyor is a continuous transport machine, the first applications in mass production in the USA since 1882 are the famous Chicago slaughterhouses. "Father" of the meat conveyor - Gustav Smith.
          Standardization - the uniformity of all parts of the same purpose. Gunsmith Eli Whitney found a solution to this problem in 1798. Templates were made for each part of the musket, and the craftsmen assembled by Whitney from now on made only one part of the weapon, but in exact accordance with the model. Now the assembler, who was the last in the technological chain, could take any muzzle, any butt, any trigger from the box - they all fit together.
          The general manager of the Cadillac company, Henry Leland, in 1903 achieved that the company became the first among machine builders to achieve complete identity of the parts of their cars of the same series.
          In 1901, Ransom Ely Olds pioneered the use of an assembly line in his factory. This allowed him to increase the production of cars by more than 5 times in one year.
          Creating his conveyor production, Henry Ford took into service all the experience accumulated before him.
          1. +1
            4 November 2022 20: 18
            Is that so?
            Even at school I read: * Ford is the creator of the "production line", but in fact. Not so simple
      2. +2
        4 November 2022 16: 04
        Quote: Thick
        hi
        Quote: Astra wild2
        but in the Middle Ages
        Was there industrial production?

        "Industrial production" was in ancient times. From there, the Romans had quite a sufficient number of weapons of the same type, for example, segmental lorics request

        Industrial production is the presence of manufactories (factories, factories). Alas, they were not in Rome as such. On the other hand, guild production was developed, since the labor of slaves was conditionally “free”. So Rome can boast of a developed handicraft (guild) production, but not industrial. Moreover, some workshops reached colossal sizes for 1000 jobs. In some cases, mechanisms and machines were used.
        Uniformity was also conditional. The legions were a thing unto themselves, producing everything from sandals to pilums. Before Mark's reforms, it was even simpler, each citizen called into service came with weapons and armor according to status. Some called Terraria pledged land and property in order to stand in the third line. By the way, the position of “horseman” also arose for a reason! And everything was determined by the statutes. Even a centurion bought a club with his hard-earned money.
        Later, with a professional army, the newcomer received money for weapons and equipment. Nobody provided it for free.
        Unification was provided to the internal legions in order. If there was a purchase of scutums, then the artisans were given a sample, according to which the batch was made. It was bought by the legate and, as if it were not a regime, he sold the rumor to his legionnaires. By the way, the margin was not small.
        Well, somewhere like that.
        1. +3
          4 November 2022 17: 42
          By the way, the position of “horseman” also arose for a reason!
          "Horseman" is not a position, but belonging to a privileged class of patricians, equites.
          1. +1
            4 November 2022 20: 34
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            By the way, the position of “horseman” also arose for a reason!
            "Horseman" is not a position, but belonging to a privileged class of patricians, equites.

            That's right Anton, who during the time of the kings of Rome and the early republic acted as "horsemen".
            In fact, if a patrician has a horse, weapons and armor, then you are an equit. Moreover, initially it was not a privilege, but an obligation to the policy.
            1. +2
              4 November 2022 20: 49
              In fact, if a patrician has a horse, weapons and armor, then you are an equit.
              Essentially not so.
              1. 0
                4 November 2022 21: 04
                What's wrong?
                In the early Republic, many children of Equites began their military careers as hastati in the forefront of the maniples. As an estate, the equites formed on the eve of the Punic Wars, when a sharp expansion of the territory began. Before that, there were enough “patrons” for senior positions of senators.
                However, if you dig even deeper, then the equites are the bodyguards of the rex (king) from the nobels.
                By the way, if I'm not mistaken, the equities were reduced to the centurion and paid an increased tax. According to the reforms of Tullius, 18 centuries of equites were attached to the four legions. Then there were 6 legions, but the number of equities remained the same. Therefore, the children of horsemen sometimes began a career in the legions.
                1. +2
                  4 November 2022 21: 17
                  What's wrong?
                  And it’s not like that, at this time, the Roman society, in dynamics, is not what you imagine.
                  1. 0
                    4 November 2022 22: 07
                    Anton, come on.
                    Initially, Rome, as a polis-state, is formed by several clans (tribal groups) over which stands the Leader (rex or king in our opinion). Tribal groups are led by patrons, the rest are clients. In fact, cartridges are the close squad of the Leader (equities). They, unlike their fellow tribesmen, can allow horseback and weapon performances. In fact, they are aristocrats. Later, under the king, the equites act as departing centurions of horsemen, they were started by a detachment of the king's bodyguards from the sons of aristocrats. Which by the way were the hostages of the king. The "patrons" themselves, the first persons of the houses of the Roman patricians, found themselves more interesting activities. Although the poets were also considered equites and were obliged to defend their native walls on horseback.
                    With the development of the city, new people "plebeians" appear, who are denied the right to defend Rome with weapons in their hands. Unlike the patricians. Rome approached the early republic having centuries: velites, hastati, principes, terries and equites. The first infantry, the last on horseback. All patricians are citizens. Here the partitions were spoiled by Tullius, who limited the number of horsemen. So the children of not well-born aristocrats had to wait until the place of the equity assigned to the family was vacated. So some consuls and tribunes began as hastati, although they were the children of equestrians.
                    Later, equestrian qualifications could generally be bought.
                    So, the social lift was absent only at the initial stage of the formation of Rome. In other cases, there were loopholes.
                    1. +3
                      4 November 2022 22: 43
                      Anton, come on
                      Let's. Patricianism was divided into two types, original and acquired. All of them are "equities", within the framework of the concepts of the final of the Republic ...
                      Vlad, my friend, what are we actually arguing about?
                      1. 0
                        5 November 2022 05: 59
                        Good morning Anton!
                        I mean that equities at the initial stage of the republic are, first of all, “cavalry”, and secondly, officials.
  12. +5
    4 November 2022 13: 28
    hi
    But the “iron hat” (also called the chapel) eventually survived them all, and it was worn not only by infantrymen, but also by the most noble knights

    All welcome!
    Well, why am I the first who posted the most famous and noble knight in the "shapel" ?! feel

    1. +1
      4 November 2022 14: 38
      Thanks for Don Quixote!
      To be honest, I was still interested in why did he have a cutout on the brim of his helmet?
      1. +4
        4 November 2022 14: 56
        Shaving basin. Just a neckline. Let the barbers fix it.

        This morning I listened to songs from Dulcinea. Kamburova's voice is a source of pleasure.
      2. +4
        4 November 2022 15: 21
        hi
        Cinematic answer - a bowl for shaving ...
      3. +1
        4 November 2022 19: 14
        hi
        "... it is necessary to explain to the reader who this mysterious rider with a brilliant helmet on his head was. Near the main road along which our knight and squire rode, there were two villages. In one of them, smaller, there was neither a pharmacy nor barbers, and a barber from another had to serve both villages. It so happened that just at this time one inhabitant of the smaller village needed to bleed, and another needed to shave. They called a barber to them, and he set off, taking with him a copper basin "But fate would have it rain on the road. Wanting to save his new hat, the barber put on his head a basin, which was carefully cleaned and burned like a fever. He rode a gray donkey, as Sancho rightly noted, and Don Quixote a knight, and a golden helmet, and a dapple-gray horse appeared at once, for everything that caught his eye, he immediately altered in his own way, in the spirit of his absurd and extravagant fantasies.
        ...
        the barber, frightened, fell off the donkey to the ground, and the basin jumped off his head and flew off to the side. As soon as he touched the ground, the barber jumped to his feet with the agility of a deer and rushed to run with such agility that even the wind could not catch up with him. Seeing that the pelvis was left lying on the road, Don Quixote did not pursue the poor fellow.

        “You see, Sancho,” said Don Quixote, “how easily this victory came to me: my pagan enemy acted wisely in following the example of a beaver who bites off with his own teeth what the hunter is chasing after him.

        Don Quixote told Sancho to pick up the helmet, and he, taking it in his hands, said:

        - And the basin, by God, is not bad! It costs at least eight reais.

        Then he handed it over to his master, who immediately put it on his head and began to turn in all directions, looking for the visor. Unable to find it, he finally said:

        - The pagan for whom this cone was forged must have had a huge head, but the worst thing is that this helmet lacks a visor and a headpiece.

        When Sancho heard that Don Quixote called the razor basin a helmet, he almost burst into loud laughter, but in time he remembered what his master was like in anger, and restrained his amusement.

        “What are you laughing at, Sancho? asked Don Quixote.
        “I laugh,” replied Sancho, “thinking of how huge the head of the pagan to whom this helmet belonged was, because this helmet is like two drops of water like a razor basin.

        “Do you know what I think, Sancho? Probably, this famous magic helmet fell into the hands of a person who could not appreciate all its merits. Seeing that the helmet was made of the purest gold, he broke off the visor and the back of the head, and from the cone he made what seems to you to be a razor basin. Well, it doesn't matter. I know very well what kind of helmet it is, and I don't care what it was turned into. In the first village where there is a forge, we will reforge it, and then even the helmet that was forged by the god of blacksmiths for the god of war cannot be compared with it. In the meantime, I will wear it in this form, because something is better than nothing. In addition, it may well protect me from a hail of stones.
        "
        Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, 1615
  13. +3
    4 November 2022 15: 23
    A few more chapels (perhaps with a crown of sallets feel ).

    1. +2
      4 November 2022 15: 50
      Order of the Golden Fleece. Who is this? If it's easy, please let me know. There is no longer any power to search the web.
      1. +2
        4 November 2022 16: 07
        hi
        "Philip I the Handsome (el Hermoso) (1478–1506), son of Emperor Maximilian I (from the house of Habsburg) and Mary of Burgundy, was born in Bruges on July 22, 1478. In 1482, the Burgundian domains of his deceased mother passed to Philip, in 1496 he married with Juana the Mad, daughter of Ferdinand II and Isabella.When Isabella died in 1504, Juana and Philip became the nominal co-rulers of Castile.However, it was not until June 1506 that Philip managed to force his father-in-law to leave Castile, and soon Philip died in Burgos on September 25, 1506. Juana gave birth to him 6 children, including the future emperors Charles V and Ferdinand I."

        http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_f/filip_hermo.php

        Royal Museums of Fine Arts (Belgium); this is part of a couple portrait. The photo is mine, use it if needed.
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          4 November 2022 16: 35
          This is a valuable gift, to be sure! Thank you! However, I hope I can get away with it. Though not soon... Not very soon.
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            4 November 2022 20: 15
            hi
            Original file:


            and, by the way, there was hardly a photograph of the real "chapelle de fer":


            There is also a version of the fresco of the "Way of the Cross", where the warriors are in chapels, but the quality is so-so ....
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              4 November 2022 21: 06
              I already used a large portrait of Philip - it came in very handy. So you'll see him again soon. He was very out of place ... And the whole portrait is entirely too small.
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              9 November 2022 21: 17
              Avon as lit up to someone on kumpol! Interesting, what did they do? recourse
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                9 November 2022 21: 47
                IMHO, the blow was an analogue of the "war hammer", as there was a trace with pronounced edges.

                It is possible that this is a mark from the "control shooting" with a bullet, there was such a "quality acceptance"; but IMHO there are no marks from bullets with pronounced edges.
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                  9 November 2022 21: 59
                  Well, yes ... it looks like a trace of a butt ... and even the fields got it!
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    5 November 2022 08: 45
    Quote: Luminman
    And they sat in the trenches only because the warring parties in the rear were accumulating strength for a new movement ..


    Yes Yes. How long did the preparation for the Battle of Kursk take, and how much did the battle itself take.
    The war in the Pacific is a separate story. How long did the paratroopers stay on board the ships (analogue of the same trenches), and how long did the landing operations themselves take. I will keep silent about those who carried out garrison service on all sorts of islands (some have been sitting on a piece of land for years).
    So the maneuverable war looked only on the general's maps. And ordinary soldiers in the Pacific Ocean had enough trench life.
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