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Anatoly Serdyukov summed up "sisters of arms"

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Anatoly Serdyukov summed up "sisters of arms"Talking about corruption in our country has become like something inseparable from ordinary life. And the phrase “fight against corruption” itself has already become so worn out and faded that not everyone has a desire to discuss this topic, since the anti-corruption cart still remains in the same place. However, the other day there was a reason to return the attention of Russians to the problems of combating corruption schemes. And the reason turned out to be more than remarkable, because the information about the strangeness of financial activity did not manifest itself at all in relation to a certain local official or traffic police inspector, but to the highest levels of power. We are talking about the corruption scandal that had gained momentum in the camp of one of the most blind ministries in Russia - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

The embezzlement of army real estate on a large scale surfaced after it was decided to conduct an audit of the economic activities of the Oboronservis company, which is directly related to the country's defense ministry. The representative of the RF IC Vladimir Markin said that the investigators had initiated several criminal cases at once on the facts of fraudulent schemes during the operation to sell the shares of the Oboronservis company, as well as the land fund and various kinds of buildings and structures.

Among the controversial operations carried out through the Oboronservis company, several stand out at once: the implementation of the State Design Institute, several buildings and a land plot in Moscow, and frauds with the land fund of the Ministry of Defense in the Krasnodar Territory. Transactions were conducted in the form of resale of real estate objects to affiliated companies at clearly reduced prices. The same, in turn, realized the objects at market value, which led to a “slimming down” of the military budget, no less than a billion rubles for 3.

At the same time, it is impossible to say that the UK learned about such a large-scale fraud only yesterday. In particular, the former head of the press service of the main military department of the country, Anatoly Baranets, states that Bastrykin decided to "cut the abscess," which had been filled over the past few years. By the way, Baranets proposes even to award the head of the Investigative Committee of Russia with a medal for starting such a high-profile case.

However, many experts believe that the merit of Bastrykin in initiating criminal cases about corruption mechanisms in the work of the Ministry of Defense is, in fact, minimal. There is an opinion that the criminal cases initiated by the Russian IC are a kind of tool for putting pressure on Anatoly Serdyukov. They say that in this way they are trying to merge the current minister of defense, who, to put it mildly, does not enjoy serious popularity among the troops. But if such an opinion is really close to the truth, then who could have initiated the investigation of the high-profile corruption scandal in the Ministry of Defense?

Several names are called: allegedly such a person could be someone from the three Rogozin-Ivanov-Kudrin. And the name of Kudrin here looks quite so fantastic. Why Kudrin? Many experts are strangely convinced that right now the top leaders of the state suddenly remembered “Kudrin's prophecy,” when he said that budget money was better to ram into reserve bales and to abandon ideas of large-scale modernization in the army. Then these words of Kudrin ridiculed, but now everyone allegedly “changed their mind” and decided that Alexei Leonidovich literally showed himself as a new Wang and predicted financial problems, you understand, through the allocation of funds for rearming the army and increasing the money allowances of servicemen. If so, then maybe Kudrin himself will be put instead of Serdyukov in the chair of the defense minister ... Shilo on soap ...

If we consider the initiative to verify the activities of Oboronservis by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin or the head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, here everything looks more plausible. After all, the opposite of views on the rearmament of the Russian army in Rogozin and Serdyukov was manifested with enviable regularity. To be honest, in general, recently it would be difficult to hear information about the synchronization of the positions of these people, who should be responsible for the modernization processes in the Russian army. Where Rogozin said “yes”, Serdyukov, quietly inserted his “no”. Where Rogozin stated the need to conclude contracts for the supply of weapons with Russian manufacturers, Serdyukov calmly said that we would rather buy weapon foreign model, although the overwhelming majority of military experts often argued that many of the weapons acquired by the Ministry of Defense abroad lose in quality to their Russian counterparts.

Sergei Ivanov is called the possible initiator of the counting audit of one of the enterprises operating under the wing of the Ministry of Defense, because he allegedly harbored a certain unfriendliness towards Serdyukov as his replacement in the main military department.

However, as is well known, Anatoly Serdyukov is a shredded loot, and could the opinion of even all three of the above mentioned people influence the SC to start office work on people who were close to the current head of the military department? At least, Vladimir Putin himself repeatedly repeated the words that the horses at the crossing do not change, and this led to the fact that Serdyukov, in spite of any perturbations, came out dry in any situation. Even after a series of scoldings by Dmitry Medvedev when he was the Russian president, and his requests to fulfill instructions, Anatoly Serdyukov sometimes muttered something unintelligible in response, even boasted of the possibility of resigning “on his own,” but rarely led to.

This time it looks more ticklish. Besides the fact that Oboronservis turned out to be in the epicenter of the scandal, the facts of a certain clan system in the Ministry of Defense came to the surface. More precisely, this clan system was traced earlier, but only to talk about it publicly, if someone decided, then he was quickly shown a vertically stretched index finger pointing to his lips. The fact is that one of the main defendants in the case related to the embezzlement of the Ministry of Defense funds is the former head of the department of property relations under the department, headed by Mr. Serdyukov, Yevgeny Vasilyeva. Her and a number of other "daughters of the regiment" Anatoly Serdyukov put on the general's posts in the Ministry of Defense. Many ladies were brought by Serdyukov from his past work, as is customary in our politics. Arboretum blossomed wildly and, as it turned out, not always within the framework of current legislation.

It is noteworthy that when the investigators came to “visit” Vasilyeva, they found another guest in her apartment, whom he himself was Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov. So what he did in the apartment of his former subordinate remains a secret behind seven seals ... Perhaps, before the arrival of the investigators, he decided to punish Mrs. Vasilyeva as an ex-head for punishing the fraud and denigrating his immaculate ministerial name ...

As a result, after witnessing the fact that the minister was in the apartment of the main person involved in an especially large-scale fraud case, Anatoly Eduardovich was simply forced to go to Novo-Ogaryovo. The meeting was listed as unplanned, and could it have been planned? Of course not. Yes, and in the diary of the head of state could hardly appear the line "to meet Serdyukov, who will arrive from Vasilyeva after visiting her apartment by the investigators." Although, what the hell is not joking ... If it was, then, it turns out that the current minister really has a grand plum that will be seasoned with corruption piquancy ... But Anatoly Eduardovich, apparently, is driving this thought away from him, because until now any scandal associated with his name, strangely faded out and faded away.

This time, the situation can also turn into the plane of the swampy bed of Russian justice. Evgenia Vasilyeva and other “fighting friends” of Anatoly Serdyukov, implicated in corruption scandals, can get real terms and dismissal from all posts, but the minister himself may well get away with it. They say he is not guilty, they themselves traded the land in the wrong direction and at the wrong prices ... As a result, the court will, of course, decide everything, but for now the Minister of Defense declares that he personally follows the situation with Oboronservis. But this is understandable. The main thing is that the same situation was closely monitored by the investigating and judicial authorities, and then in our country, as it happens: sometimes the virus fights the video evidence of the crime, then the mice in the courthouse with whole volumes eat criminal cases ...

Materials used:
http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2012/10/25/1051077.html
http://lifenews.ru/news/104534
http://www.ridus.ru/news/50087/
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Picture by Alexey Merinov, http://www.mk.ru
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  1. crazyrom
    crazyrom 27 October 2012 08: 34
    -1
    Kudrin is an American agent; nothing he says and does will never be in Russia's favor.
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 27 October 2012 08: 58
      0
      Less then what? You look at his policy, right there in the article it is written! Instead of re-equipping the army, this bastard wants to buy American unsecured bonds with all the money! That is, simply giving them money for free, because the Americans will never repay these debts, and if they do, then with such inflation when there will be no sense in repaying.
  2. Vito
    Vito 27 October 2012 08: 34
    +97
    To bang this Tolik Serdyukovich from a mortar, as in KOREA! And then with a clean and clear eye to declare that a tragic mistake occurred at the next exercises!
    And then, after all, the thief’s nit is smeared out in truth.
    Good morning everyone, my friends !!!
    1. Samos
      Samos 27 October 2012 09: 00
      +2
      Vito hi
      Quote: Vito
      To bang this Tolik Serdyukovich from a mortar, as in KOREA!

      Itself will die, do not touch. It will not stink.

      But there is a way out, it cannot but be.
      1. Vito
        Vito 27 October 2012 09: 06
        0
        Samos , hi Good day.
        Quote: Samos
        It will die by itself

        So I am sorry that such "FIGURES" are dying themselves!

        Quote: Samos
        But there is a way

        I hope the cartridges are explosive!
    2. Civil
      Civil 27 October 2012 09: 14
      +47



      Bastrykin does not have enough resources to "fill up" Serdyukov
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 October 2012 10: 09
        +17
        Quote: Civil
        Bastrykin does not have enough resources to "fill up" Serdyukov

        Well, the roof is good, at the very top.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 10
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, the roof is good, at the very top.

          Yeah! The roof is the most reliable!
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 27 October 2012 20: 32
          +13
          I think that Bastrykin’s resources would not be enough for a search. But since it took place, the resources work on a completely different level.
          We are waiting for the development of events.
          1. Gorchakov
            Gorchakov 27 October 2012 22: 23
            +7
            Quote: Botanologist
            We are waiting for the development of events.

            I think you are right ... Otherwise, we would not have allowed such publicity .... I think that a solution will still be ....
        3. SPQR1977
          SPQR1977 28 October 2012 08: 00
          +2
          Rumor has it that he is a cousin of Putin! In how)))))
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 27 October 2012 10: 12
        +22
        Quote: Civil
        Bastrykin does not have enough resources to "fill up" Serdyukov


        It is rumored in the upper headquarters that the case, of which Vasiliev can become a defendant, was directed personally against the minister and could not have been initiated by the TFR itself, it could be a signal that the president is not happy with Serdyukov. The Minister has repeatedly promised him to provide officers with housing, but the deadline for fulfilling this promise is constantly being postponed.
        Rumors that Serdyukov will soon be replaced by the Ministry of Defense went half a year and a year ago, now they are gone. The military reform is far from complete, Serdyukov still has a lot to do, including correcting the mistakes made in providing the military personnel with housing, purchasing imported weapons, etc.
        In MO are sure that give orders excited a few months ago, and widely cover it in the media, only Putin could - as an educational measure for Serdyukov.
        Yesterday, Serdyukov received an audience with Putin, and he ordered him to ensure full cooperation with the investigation in the investigation of the Oboronservis case.
        According to a person close to the Kremlin, Putin’s relationship with Serdyukov became noticeably warmer after the recent Kavkaz 2012 exercises. Which were successful
        Maybe Serdyukov overestimated the warming, and he needed to be lowered from heaven to earth.
        They are dissatisfied with the activities of Oboronservis in the military industry - the company monopolizes the assembly of imported weapons in Russia for the Ground Forces, and selects other orders. The curator of the defense industry, deputy chairman of the government Dmitry Rogozin or general director of Russian Technologies Sergey Chemezov could not initiate a case in the TFR, a government official said, but could complain to the president
        The huge volumes of real estate sales by the Ministry of Defense can hardly do without abuse, says Ruslan Pukhov, a member of the public council at the Ministry of Defense. But Serdyukov, if they justifiably report on the sins of the people he personally appointed - for example, the head of the Main Military Medical Directorate convicted of a bribe, Alexander Belevitin - dismisses them. Probably, now the evidence base does not seem convincing to the minister, says Pukhov
        .
        1. tan0472
          tan0472 27 October 2012 11: 09
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          Serdyukov still has a lot to do, including correcting the mistakes made when providing military personnel with housing, purchasing imported weapons, etc.

          That is, to correct what he "reformed"?
          1. Joker
            Joker 27 October 2012 13: 30
            +16
            Yesterday I already looked at what he was reforming there, Interpolitex-2012 made me take a fresh look at what all kinds of defense enterprises and cheers patriotically-mindedly illuminate, except you cannot look with horror at what was presented by our companies, SUCH it just horror, one junk of terrible quality, not a single novelty when you look at foreign stands and bitter tears immediately come to ours, where did the modernization that was assured at the enterprises take place? Such weapons, even the Chinese would be ashamed to deliver to the army, a feeling that everything was done with a chisel, hammer and file, below is an example in the photo. It’s all at the level of backward African countries, nobody wants to do a damn thing, some modernizations of Soviet models were put forward, moreover they were modernized by Israeli body kits, even ours couldn’t do it, their techniques are again all the old, the same Tigers, only in a different color, here you have the reform and modernization. That's okay, the appearance in the weapon is not so important, but when I saw a set of equipment for the future, I just precipitated. Previously, Chinese fabrics were used for sewing forms; a stand from our already fabric was on the stand. Bliiinn, yes it’s the synthetics, it shines terribly, how can this be given out to soldiers? I talked with an employee of the company special equipment, by the way, the only stand with our equipment that does not cause any complaints, though it was sewn all the same from budget fabrics, but better quality than the Numbers. So he said that there was no tender at all for the colors of the arms, at first they announced but then someone lobbied and it was unclear who developed it, no special forces took part in the sewing of the uniform, that’s all nonsense, and he also said that the form was focused on night-time use, so that it doesn’t shine in the NVD, and nobody pays attention to camouflage properties during the day. What Rogozin said about the development of special forces camouflage nonsense, now according to the report card in the FSB special forces urban camouflage-multicam, Lesnoy-Spectrum from the MTR and a black kit, they don’t buy Gorki, these are the pies. In general, from all over Interpolitech, I liked all the foreign stands and equipment, our private traders CCO (equipment) Russian Eagle, Orsis, liked our armor and helmet, liked our drones, especially the helicopter, all the private traders did it, the rest was complete bullshit. So much for innovation, and then we discuss why we buy abroad, because everyone is sitting on the priest, knowing exactly that they will buy and do nothing anyway, all foreign weapons are just a sight for sore eyes, both externally and in terms of performance characteristics, I liked the Ukrainian assault rifle Fort Alteration Tavor. In general, went to bed yesterday angry and upset.
            1. Joker
              Joker 27 October 2012 13: 32
              +3
              How do you like the quality of the gun higher? Horror, here is the equipment from the new fabric of our production, is it really beautiful? wassat
              1. Joker
                Joker 27 October 2012 13: 36
                +1
                For comparison, here is foreign equipment, they will supply equipment to the FSB hike, condor outdoor, here is the site http://www.condoroutdoor.com/
                All photos submitted by me are clickable and please explain how to insert several photos?
                1. Joker
                  Joker 27 October 2012 13: 37
                  +1
                  Here is a set from the MTR, they are buying lots in the FSB.
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 27 October 2012 13: 40
                    +4
                    Here is a drone from private traders.
                    1. dimanf
                      dimanf 27 October 2012 14: 13
                      +4
                      Quote: Joker
                      Yesterday, I already looked at what he was reforming there, Interpolitech-2012 made me take a fresh look at what all defense enterprises and cheers patriotically-minded experts cheerfully illuminate, except you cannot look with horror at what was presented by our companies, SUCH it just horror, one junk of terrible quality, not a single novelty when you look at foreign stands and bitter tears immediately come to ours, where did the modernization that was assured at the enterprises take place?


                      Q.E.D.
                      one lie from Rogozin.
                      and the budget is spent, however!
                      1. Joker
                        Joker 27 October 2012 14: 29
                        +14
                        I already wrote somewhere, if you want to steal money, start building, here’s an analogy for you, you’ve just cut the budget, people began to boil, and it’s like they’re rearming, people threw the bone to calm down and you can steal much more than before. In general, there is Putin, that he is absent, no use, samples are being sent to the army, for that they expelled all people with experience, the generals were left only parquet, they wanted to appoint Shamanov somewhere, so that he could get away. Some kind of trouble. The Georgian army was also well equipped and armed, but there was no experience in waging wars, and besides, they are fools, and now we also have a mountain of inexperienced, now 5 will pass and conscripts fed on American militants and Pepsi stake will go, fighting spirit will be appropriate . So more collapsed than reformed.
                      2. bddrus
                        bddrus 27 October 2012 15: 28
                        -6
                        so who is Rogozin ?? !! empty place ! the main thing that the joker will say on the Internet
                      3. Joker
                        Joker 27 October 2012 15: 56
                        +16
                        Have I ever said a word of untruth? Here are the facts of Rogozin-Serdyukov’s work on your face, are you blind? Do not see what's at Interpolitech? Or do you think Rogozin is hiding a super duper weapon in bins? What can we talk about if Rogozin comes to the program Sunday evening with Solovyov and praises our defense industry, what good fellows and clever ones are, what cool designs, while showing AK with an Israeli body kit, the Orsis T-500 rifle, which has nothing to do with the defense industry , this is a private development, besides, it is not being bought into the army, the Strizh pistol shows, they’re such good fellows, they say that it’s on the 70-80% Italian pistol that Izhmash disowned, not a word about it, they just hold us for which is cro e AK never in my life did not see anything and do not recognize Israel's kit. Is this enough for you? So let’s remember how he joked about creating 5 sets of equipment for specialists that no one creates, everyone walks in numbers and on an old slide, the FSB wears cartoons, Spectrum and a black lump, they don’t buy slides anymore, wears out the old one. We will build a base on the moon, the list is almost endless, he has some kind of vyser every week. So your sarcasm is inappropriate, okay, I’m essentially a person who is far from defense, reform, etc. so what the hell are all who fly, swim, ride, develop in the army and visit this site all as one they say that they destroy everything and not rebuild it?
                      4. bddrus
                        bddrus 27 October 2012 17: 50
                        -6
                        So here, I say that maybe all our problems are due to the fact that the great specialists on the Internet are sitting, and all sorts of idiots like the Serdyukovs, Rogozins, and all sorts of generals have to work. do you really think that Serdyukov decides what to adopt and what not ??? I am more amused by the "vysera" of such specialists and the whining about sawing drank - everyone judges according to his depravity! all your hatred in essence is self-hatred, because you will always have something wrong and miss - the presidents, ministers, the boss will be to blame, but not you - you are a SPECIALIST, EXPERT, and these bastards do not ask you what do
                      5. Joker
                        Joker 27 October 2012 19: 00
                        +9
                        oh just not you - you are SPECIALIST, EXPERT, and these bastards do not ask you what to do

                        Your phrase suggests that you are really blind, or an ordinary troll. Here are my words, read carefully.
                        okay, I am, in fact, a person far from defense, reforms, etc.

                        Where did I say that I am an expert?
                        here, I’m saying that all our problems may come from the fact that great Internet experts are sitting, and all kinds of nonsense like Serdyukovs, Rogozins, and generals have to work.

                        We almost hit the mark, our defense industry is alive at the expense of enthusiastic patriots who are still developing something and hope for the future, but such a minority, mostly "effective managers" sit there, and great specialists go to Europe and the USA, where scientists are valued and give them to work, but if you invent something, then the probability that it will be used is 0.01%, don't you agree? So tell me over the past 25 years, what kind of firearms have we made?
                        all your hatred is essentially self-hatred, because there will always be something wrong and missed - presidents, ministers, the boss will be to blame, but not you

                        You do not earn extra money as a psychologist? wassat That I hate myself so I write what is happening in the country or what? Original good Please do not disgrace, let me give you the facts, where are they? Show what scientific breakthroughs we have under Putin, what was invented, what new useful things appeared in everyday life and the citizens of Russia, maybe our laws have begun to be executed?
                      6. cherkas.oe
                        cherkas.oe 27 October 2012 22: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: Joker
                        Where did I say that I am an expert?

                        Now I love you. Well done . Good answer. ++
                      7. bddrus
                        bddrus 28 October 2012 12: 39
                        -2
                        not an expert ??? - well, well - but you have the peculiarity of making categorical statements and being clever about any reason, then they do it wrong - this is not a commercial. Just like you are the Internet trolls, who think of themselves as superfluous, have chosen bulk for the president and have appointed themselves the main protectors of the interests of the people. "Our defense industry is alive ... blablabla" - I'm not tired of the mantra about the fact that "not thanks, but in spite of" to talk? And you hate yourself, but you don’t admit it to yourself - and that’s why you make yourself “white and fluffy”, and all the time someone is interfering with your life, everything is falling apart and sawing - continue to live on the Internet and scold anyone stepping over heaps of garbage in entrance
                      8. s1н7т
                        s1н7т 28 October 2012 13: 28
                        +3
                        Quote: bddrus
                        Just like you are the Internet trolls, who think of themselves as superfluous, have chosen bulk for the president and have appointed themselves the main protectors of the interests of the people. "our defense is alive ... blablabla

                        Member of EP? laughing And at the expense of the defense - really, only blablabla!
                      9. Joker
                        Joker 28 October 2012 15: 39
                        +6
                        Well, well - but you have a peculiarity peremptory statements to make and be clever for any reason, they do wrong - this is not so.

                        Well, excuse me, in my opinion the forum for discussing the article is done, is it not so? Or do you want everyone like the Americans to always agree with the information they are provided with? I express my opinion on the basis of facts and arguments I have given you to you, so far you are shifting from empty to empty.
                        they chose bulk for president and appointed themselves the main guardians of the interests of the people

                        Are you talking to yourself or something? I voted for Putin. And it is my personal right to criticize him or not, I did something useful done, I didn’t do everything in my opinion elementary.
                        I'm not tired of the mantra about the fact that "not thanks, but in spite of" to talk?

                        Fair? Tired of a little. But mostly tired of hearing only promises, but in reality there is nothing request
                        And you hate yourself, but you don’t admit it to yourself - and therefore you are making yourself "white and fluffy"

                        And I don’t hate myself, I have a reason to be proud of myself forgive me, I have 2 son, a strong loving family, my own small business. So something that I achieved with my work.
                        and someone always bothers you all the time, everything is falling apart and sawing

                        In fact, I do not bother me; nobody goes into my personal life, but such a worldview causes indifference to my country, this is how Americans live, each in their own little world, this is especially true of the Germans, they have the concept of private life always comes first. I do not want to be the same snob, I am interested not only in my personal life, but also in the life of my country, my homeland, which is why I discuss everything.
                        continue to live on the Internet and scold anyone stepping over heaps of garbage in the porch

                        1) I do not live on the Internet, I just like this site, here I get knowledge about the life of my country, if you do not want to study, then this is your problem.
                        2) I live in a private house, so I can’t have heaps of garbage in the entrance, because I have no prior entrance hi
                        You can clearly indicate your position and not breed demagogy, from all your comments, as I understand it, do you want to convey that everyone starts with himself? So? If so, I fully support you, we could immediately say this and not write heaps of junk. And as for the fact that I’m always dissatisfied, I’m happy if I’m doing something good, I’m not going to stupidly curry.
                      10. Armata
                        Armata 28 October 2012 17: 30
                        +6
                        Quote: bddrus
                        not an expert ??? - Well, well - but you have the peculiarity of peremptory statements to make and clever for any reason, they are doing wrong - this is not so.
                        Well, here you got out. There is a simple question. And in what area are you an expert? I do not see your knowledge yet. Some feces on the fan.
                      11. Lesorub
                        Lesorub 28 October 2012 18: 25
                        -6
                        shut up the NITS and trade further with your scumbags ....
                      12. s1н7т
                        s1н7т 28 October 2012 19: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: Lesorub
                        shut up the NITS and trade further with your scumbags ....

                        Hm. Anyway, that's too much. Or do you also respect cognac with beer? laughing
                      13. Nick
                        Nick 28 October 2012 22: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Joker
                        Orsis T-500 rifle, which has nothing to do with the defense industry, is a private development,

                        Who cares? In your opinion, the Uralvagonzavod is not a defense industry, it also produces wagons, and the Volgograd Tractor ...
                        The affiliation of enterprises to the defense industry does not depend on the form of ownership or the name of the company.
                      14. military
                        military 31 October 2012 09: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Joker
                        Rogozin comes to the program Sunday evening with Solovyov and extols our defense industry

                        and immediately I remember "... Ostap suffered." drinks +
                      15. Armata
                        Armata 28 October 2012 17: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: bddrus
                        the main thing that the joker will say on the Internet
                        Do you know. Nobody knows you here. And Oleg earned respect. So my advice to you. Think what you say.
                      16. olegyurjewitch
                        olegyurjewitch 27 October 2012 16: 21
                        +7
                        Quote: dimanf
                        and the budget is spent, however!

                        Developed of course, in their pockets, which are, well, very bottomless.
                      17. nycsson
                        nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: dimanf
                        and the budget is spent, however!

                        Well, there’s not much to think about ...... laughing
                  2. PiP
                    PiP 27 October 2012 19: 00
                    +4
                    I beg your pardon, at the exhibition there was no big question (it is hard to see in the photo) are there plastic carbines on braces and belts? If so, then I will go to drink, this is the limit. And I "liked" a toy gun made of plasticine crying
                    1. Joker
                      Joker 27 October 2012 19: 36
                      +6
                      No, the machines are real, they just get this look when they are hung on the body kit, metal body kit, butt shockproof plastic, now everywhere metal is changed to plastic or some other light alloys, the impact resistance is the same, the weight is less, like almost the entire FN Scar Outside of impact-resistant plastic, it’s the technology of the 21 century, does not scratch, the paint does not peel off, it is more comfortable in the hands. So far, I consider it to be the most modern in terms of applied manufacturing technologies, reliability, weight, accuracy, ergonomics.
                      1. PiP
                        PiP 27 October 2012 19: 58
                        +5
                        For a long time I did not go to the websites of weapons manufacturers, not long ago I ran through well-known brands. You open any site (let's say H&K) and immediately see the achievements of the "national" economy of Germany G28, G36, HK416 and understand that the "Kalash" is good only for reliability and simplicity, but inferior in terms of ergonomics, combat accuracy and ease of use. Of course, I understand that the AK can be "weighted" and brought. But let's say why, even with the modernization of the AK, the bolt remained on the right, which makes it difficult to transfer it under the left hand or at the request of the shooter for the convenience of cocking. I'm not a gunsmith engineer, but I understand that this is possible, or does the whole modernization come down to replacing wooden parts with plastic ones? IT'S OFFENSE TO EARLY - AND THESE STEAL AND STEAL
                      2. Joker
                        Joker 27 October 2012 20: 15
                        +3
                        Hmm, you haven’t read the news yet, for example, here’s one.
                        At EUROSATORY 2012, held in mid-June in Paris, FN Herstal demonstrated the SmartCore device. It performs functions similar to the on-board recorder of aircraft, which is commonly called the black box.

                        SmartCore - an electronic system that records and analyzes the parameters of the operation of weapons. It also helps technical personnel keep track of the resource of a weapon and the need for repairs or additional maintenance. One of the most interesting features of the device is the ability to transmit information to unit commanders, according to which they can track whether fire is being fired from weapons, and on which section of the battlefield.

                        FN SmartCore integrates into various weapons systems manufactured by FN Herstal, for example, assault rifles, machine guns, grenade launchers, where it is installed either in the fire control handle or in the butt. The manufacturer also declares the possibility of using the device in the weapons of other companies.

                        Remember the news we have flashed like a weapon on the fingerprints will the owner be recognized? Here the Belgians are already on their way to this. In general, weapons develop well where there are civilian markets, because civilian ones are not military, you won’t get them full, it’s the military that they gave them and they went, and the civilian will thoroughly check everything so that everything is of high quality, and the Orsis rifle appeared t-500, she was primarily focused on civilian markets and was oriented, therefore, everyone accepted her with admiration. And what is Izhmash? They will always have orders and financing from the state, so they are sitting on their hands.
                      3. Joker
                        Joker 27 October 2012 20: 22
                        0
                        By the way, would I advise you to watch the program "American Weapons"? very interesting and allows you to understand how things are with weapons in the United States. You drive the name into Google and everything will be online at once.
                      4. aksakal
                        aksakal 28 October 2012 15: 32
                        +4
                        Joker, you are so convincing that I take your side! You have so many advantages here that not taking your side just being out of your mind.
                        I accept.
                        In short, all Russian weapons are full guano.
                        The Russian military-industrial complex cannot produce anything sensible, it can only produce GUANO processed by a file.
                        The military-industrial complex is so overwhelmed that you cannot sleep peacefully, therefore, for the sake of your good sleep, let's completely salt the military-industrial complex - it’s still sucky and works with a file. But there is something to arm the army with - Pupyrchaty will easily offer us all the options for the brand (well, except for the most recent developments) and UAVs - well, of course, except for the latest developments - well, what about the latest developments for the Russian army? And so it comes down to protect themselves from the Papuans. Not from all Papuans, if there are Papuans who are interested in serious forces, then the Russian army should not be able to defend against them. Therefore, the latest developments of Russia are useless.
                        Russian tanks, according to Kars, also suck. Therefore, we close the hellish UVZ, there is nothing to pamper, we buy Abramychi, because they have a panacea on board, a gas turbine engine with a terrible transmission, with some kind of flow separation, is therefore only Abramych for Russia. The first modifications, SEPs will be bold for Russia.
                        Well, in Irkut, since they also make flying files, it is better to produce Chinese bicycles. There were such plans in the 90s, we will revive.
                        Joker, well now you can sleep peacefully. The Russian army will be armed. Now go to Interpolitech - there will be such beauty! Whatever the rifle, then the Manlicher, that neither the machine - then Tavor, that no gun, then Beretta, that no armored car - then Iveco! The beauty!
                        Well, pus to you, Joker, what can I say? laughing
                      5. Joker
                        Joker 28 October 2012 15: 53
                        +2
                        Do not distort, re-read carefully my comments, I even have a phrase there
                        That's okay, the appearance in the weapon is not so important

                        Why did I start this whole topic, not because everything is bad with us, but because they don’t want to do something new, they don’t want to experiment, to involve young people in development, like stumps and moss stumps. That’s what I wanted to say, if briefly and without examples, and if not briefly, then everything is at the top. lol
                        The same AK, why can’t you try to create something else? Or is AK already a panacea and we will have an AK-2578 in 3000 that will shoot with a laser? It’s necessary to create a new one, look at companies from other countries, companies similar to Izhmash can present a whole range of weapons, starting with a pistol and ending with a grenade launcher and each type according to the 3-4 model, but we have everything the same as 30 years ago, it can to be the best in the world, but you don’t have to sit idly by. Now there are no such designers as before, before a person had done something, he immediately started new projects, he had a thirst for science, a thirst to develop, improve, and now they will modernize and sit back.
                      6. aksakal
                        aksakal 28 October 2012 17: 30
                        +3
                        Quote: Joker
                        Do not distort, re-read carefully my comments, I even have a phrase there

                        - I do not distort, moreover, I understand your frustration, but it seems to me that you demand too much. Modernization - making a decision on powerful financing - is only a year and a half, real financing for this decision is about to begin. Demanding an explosion of new developments in such a short time is possible, but hardly realistic.
                        Need to be patient. AK - really a panacea so far, it is very difficult to come up with an analogue with equally great reliability and simplicity, while with such good combat characteristics. We tried it - it turned out Abakan, the first two pushed out put a fool in a hole, the accuracy is very good, but the mechanics - oh-E! There you need two higher educations to understand! And why refuse such a wonderful design, it just needs to be improved. To improve the barrel, change the cartridge, you can even change the principle itself from the powder for example to shooting with magnesium filler - there are many times more muzzle energy, and it is the Russians who are the pioneers in this — all this while preserving the design features that make AK exactly Kalash.
                        Here we swear at effective managers, but they, too, should participate in managing the enterprise of the military-industrial complex at least to some extent. In which? The fact is that the techie is not very interested in market turbulence, especially since he is not interested in any market shares occupied by his enterprise, he generally has a vague idea about it, his ideal is one healthy customer who clearly knows what he wants and issues this in the form of a highly professional technical task, then makes a full prepayment in the amount in which this techie considers it necessary and absolutely then is duplicated by the work done. Forget it never will be. So, you need to work on the free market, guess and identify the dreams of the target audience and release as close as possible to the dreams of this audience, preferably the entire line. Such an initiative is a property of those very effective managers, if they are pushed into a tight framework, of course. No job to market
                        Quote: Joker
                        you take a look at companies from other countries, companies similar to Izhmash can present a whole range of weapons, starting with a pistol and ending with a grenade launcher and each type of 3-4 samples,
                        - What you dream about cannot be achieved in any way.
                      7. Joker
                        Joker 28 October 2012 18: 25
                        0
                        that you demand too much

                        It seems to me that this is typical of those who lived in the USSR and remembers the power that our army was crying I want, of course, everything and more, I’m probably really too demanding hi
                        AK is really a panacea for now, it’s very difficult to come up with an analogue with equally great reliability and simplicity, while still having such good combat characteristics

                        The machine is excellent, but I would like to use some new technologies in it, replacing steel with high-impact plastic, I like the AK-12, but it's a pity that it will not go to the troops.
                        We tried - it turned out Abakan, the first two pushed out puts a fool in a hole, the accuracy is very good, but the mechanics - oh-E

                        It’s bad that the machine did not receive further development, by the way, they are buying now in some department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Abakan.
                        Here we swear at effective managers, but they, too, should participate in managing the enterprise of the military-industrial complex

                        Yes, of course, but there are a lot of them, but there is little sense, I would like the youth to be involved in the development, I think they will have new and interesting ideas.
                        - What you dream about cannot be achieved in any way.

                        Well, why did someone swear that the area that Izhmash occupies is too large for her, so it would be possible to organize the training of new employees there, send them for an internship in Europe to take experience and it would be possible to carry out everything, only to put in good guidance.
                      8. aksakal
                        aksakal 28 October 2012 21: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: Joker
                        It seems to me that this is typical of those who lived in the USSR and remembers the power that our army represented of course, of course I’d like more and more, I’m probably really too demanding

                        - I agree, Joker, with your post. But I note that what you dream about requires a lot of money and not only from the state. But one forum member, unfortunately, I do not remember his nickname, the designer of the manufacturers of armored vehicles, noted that our systems simply do not have compared to the same BAE dough. The existence of a dough for scientific purposes - the level of capitalization, the company must have in the form of free money in an amount exceed the MAXIMUM capacity of this enterprise at times at times in money terms! Only this allows the company to simultaneously ensure continuous production of serial products and conduct R&D simultaneously in three time intervals - in the short term (minor modifications of currently manufactured products), in the medium term (deep modernization) and in the long term (development and creation of concepts ) You already imagine that even allocated 20 trillion, given the number of defense industry enterprises, is by no means enough. There is no way without private capital.
                        If, nevertheless, only the state in the person of the Moscow Region is left as a customer, and private owners are not allowed in the military-industrial complex, then a wide range and frequent updates of this line, and even more so a good design study of new products, is not to be expected - this format does not imply all this. Examples - yes, you can practically see the entire history of the creation of Soviet weapons, especially its most successful samples. When the RPG was created, the only customer - MO - set the task of creating only one RPG sample, but with a lot of reservations - efficiency, simplicity, reliability and others. There was no design there, and therefore even for the 50s the created RPG-7 looks like "filed".
                        So here it’s necessary to determine whether it’s the old-fashioned way, a fully state-owned military-industrial complex and a single large customer represented by the Moscow Region, but then there is hope that we will continue to create a few in line, unpretentious in terms of design, but masterpieces in their simplicity, or we’ll move on to new economic realities, but then without private traders in any way - there simply will not be enough state money, and the format of production relations is slightly different. I personally like one or another format, it’s not suitable only for the now existing, marginally transitional one, here I share your annoyance with you, I can just sleep peacefully - all this will pass as soon as we decide on the above choice. Good night.
                      9. Nick
                        Nick 28 October 2012 22: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Joker, well now you can sleep peacefully. The Russian army will be armed. Now go to Interpolitech - there will be such beauty! Whatever the rifle, then the Manlicher, that neither the machine - then Tavor, that neither the gun, then the Beretta, that neither the armored car - then Iveco! Beauty! Well, pus to you, Joker, what can I say?

                        Bravo Aksakal.
                      10. PiP
                        PiP 27 October 2012 20: 42
                        +5
                        Here I am, a supporter of the free market in weapons, starting - any individual entrepreneur (unincorporated business) could produce and almost any citizen could buy-store-carry. There are a lot of "Kulibins" in Russia, even if the "academies" are not finished, they find not bad solutions empirically. As a child, I remember myself when I made a cool "scarecrow" out of five different broken toy pistols, and there are people who have become a hobby and the state puts them in jail to give the green light in their search. And for me it would be better if the country had a million "IE Pupkin II" with new solutions than a couple of KB with one to two solutions. And as you know "out of a million stones there will be one diamond"
              2. rumpeljschtizhen
                rumpeljschtizhen 27 October 2012 18: 13
                0
                Yes, pornography is rare but I'm not surprised ... in principle, it was interesting
            2. Gemar
              Gemar 27 October 2012 14: 27
              +11
              Quote: Joker
              Chinese fabrics were used for tailoring

              He worked in Foshan, a small Chinese town, 5 million people (sarcasm). My friend flew joyfully around the room, like Carlson after a dose of raspberry jam. It turns out that his relative (sorry, but for the sake of my well-being, I will not keep his name, "libel" is now a criminal offense), "won" the tender for the supply of shirts for ..... It was necessary to supply as much as 130 pieces. He showed me the requirements for quality and fittings. And he mentioned that the shirts would say "Manufacturer: ......, ......, Russia). That's it.
              All do not care about their homeland. recourse
              My friend, before that was a fierce patriot. But when he found out how much money the uncle for the execution of the order would roll him ... belay $ $ $ fellow In general, the order was completed on time. At customs, he (counterfeit goods), of course, was let through.
              Oh, Stalin is not on us!
              GLORY TO RUSSIA!
              1. Joker
                Joker 27 October 2012 14: 38
                +11
                We are not such a life, to live with wolves howl like wolves sad when you look at the bureaucrat's fat faces, the thought immediately pops up, but for whom should I try? sad I have a lot of acquaintances both in Europe and in the USA, so their views on the state and the country are completely different, we have a happy government, a happy people, but they have the opposite, only the scale is smaller, I and my family are happy, the country is happy , that’s what we need, otherwise we’ll all be waiting when the normal government is there.
                1. Gemar
                  Gemar 27 October 2012 16: 09
                  +7
                  Quote: Joker
                  otherwise we are all waiting when the normal government is there.

                  I support! +
                  The people in Russia are always waiting for the good Tsar-Father to come and solve all the pressing problems. Let's call the Varangians "Volodet us"!
                  Everyone wants (yes there is nothing to hide, I don’t mind), like Emelya, to lie on the stove for up to 30 years, and then get rich richly.
                  Quote: Joker
                  when you look at the bureaucrat's fat faces, the thought immediately pops up, but for whom should I try?

                  Well, yes, when the official does not see the ears from behind the cheeks, then thoughts of patriotism instantly disappear.

                  But! On the other hand, a country with such wealth as the Russian Federation, and poor people ?! Why do we sell more oil than in the USSR (and the price of oil will be higher now), but does the common people gather for the treatment of oncological children? Why is the medicine paid ???
                  Here, only Darwin's theory explains the situation in Russia - the fittest survives.
                  Here's what I'm afraid - Russians will scatter around the world (who will be more successful), like Jews. And they will say about us - "and, these are Russians, they are everywhere in bulk!).
                  Glory to Russia!
                  1. Ross
                    Ross 27 October 2012 20: 00
                    +3
                    Gemar,
                    What Varangians? Gays or what? What kind of thoughts do you have? Only we ourselves can raise Russia.
                    1. Gemar
                      Gemar 28 October 2012 04: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Ross
                      What Varangians?

                      Yes, relax, Dear! It was a malicious saying to those who
                      Quote: Gamar
                      The people in Russia are always waiting for the good Tsar-Father to come

                      So I was not going to call any Varangians. It was a malicious philosophical sarcasm, okay? hi
                      Quote: Ross
                      Gays or what? What kind of thoughts do you have?

                      Yes, I have quite acceptable thoughts - about gays, in this case, there were definitely no thoughts. But what kind of thoughts do you have? And how did you immediately equate gays and Vikings? I hope the current inhabitants of Geyropa, now traditionally geyropeyskoy orientation (although this will soon change, the number of Muslims in Geyropa is growing steadily), do not equate the Vikings?
                      Quote: Ross
                      Only we ourselves can raise Russia.

                      Here I agree - plus you! +

                      Only, nycsson correctly writes, "you need to start with yourself."
                      There have been politicians since 1991. Russia is being raised.

                      Excerpt from KVN:

                      Well, read me a list of parties ...
                      "Russia";
                      "Our Russia";
                      "Our Russia";
                      "Our Russia, not yours";
                      “We love Russia”;
                      “Yes, you and Russia do not know how to love”;
                      “We don’t know how to love Russia?”;
                      "We will raise Russia";
                      "We have raised Russia";
                      “Thanks for picking up. Russia. "
                      1. Ross
                        Ross 28 October 2012 23: 31
                        +1
                        Gemar,
                        It was a sarcastic philosophical sarcasm, okay
                        ?

                        Well, at the expense of gays similarly! hi
                2. nycsson
                  nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 15
                  +8
                  Quote: Joker
                  and for whom should I try?

                  For the country! While we think so, nothing will change. You need to start with yourself .......
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 27 October 2012 18: 48
                    +4
                    You need to start with yourself .......

                    I started with myself, quit smoking, I don’t violate the rules, when I go outside, I throw candy wrappers and other things into urns, what else can I do? In politics? Nobody will let it go like that, everything has already been painted there for 100 years in advance.
                    1. Ross
                      Ross 27 October 2012 22: 26
                      +3
                      Joker,
                      Oleg! All that is listed is also valuable. The main thing is to start and not turn off. I know for myself.
                    2. cherkas.oe
                      cherkas.oe 27 October 2012 23: 14
                      +3
                      Quote: Joker
                      So no one will let it go, everything has already been painted there for 100 years ahead

                      And you try, We will support. But it turned out with candy wrappers. And I’ll not tell you this easily, I know by myself.
                    3. leha 2012
                      leha 2012 28 October 2012 03: 25
                      +4
                      The more we begin to understand that we need to start with ourselves, then the quantity will turn into quality. Lenin said - Ideas become power when they take possession of the masses. In my very wise words.
                    4. Fox
                      Fox 28 October 2012 09: 04
                      +2
                      Joker 100500 + ... you have to start with yourself: do not smoke, do not drink, live in YOUR home, conduct propaganda of this!
              2. Recon
                Recon 27 October 2012 16: 56
                +1
                all have a price ...
            3. freedom
              freedom 2 November 2012 23: 38
              0
              Have you bought something in a stall?
        2. bask
          bask 27 October 2012 11: 22
          +2
          Ascetic. You are blessed with God. Or from outer space. If a person is a moron ((he sees, mistakes,, others but not when he recognizes his own !!! And he is not just meager, but also dangerous ...... ..
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 09
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          as an educational measure for Serdyukov.

          It's ridiculous! For this it is necessary to put to the wall ...........
        4. Hon
          Hon 28 October 2012 00: 33
          +2
          That's just a long time walking infa that the son of Serdyukov is married to Putin's daughter. Serdyukov himself son-in-law Zubkov. In short, it is covered from all sides!
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 28 October 2012 13: 34
            +1
            Duc Serdyukov, it seems, has divorced recently. Maybe the dog is buried here? laughing
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 29 October 2012 01: 23
            +2
            Well, since he is married to Putin’s daughter, dad doesn’t hang around for women and give a bad example.
            We will hit with the iron fist of the Investigative Committee on Whoring and Prostitution!
      3. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 27 October 2012 10: 19
        +1
        At Bastrykin, physics itself is not even a gun ...
      4. nycsson
        nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Bastrykin does not have enough resources to "fill up" Serdyukov

        Who will let him do this?
      5. donchepano
        donchepano 27 October 2012 20: 51
        +2
        YES ALREADY LIKE IT ENOUGH. STRONG FAMILY.
        A TOTALLY BY PHOTO - AN EYE CRACK
      6. AIvanA
        AIvanA 28 October 2012 11: 33
        +3
        Actually, it surprises me that in general I saw theft in the Moscow Region, and for so many years in a row, the use of money and the almost complete disruption of the state defense order, throughout Russia the mass trade in military real estate, the reduction, and then the new deployment of military units, but only now?
      7. Castor oil
        Castor oil 28 October 2012 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Bastrykin does not have enough resources to "fill up" Serdyukov

        Only Vladimyr Vladimyrych, and only probably will be able to "dump" by hooking (the throw will not work - such a carcass cannot be pulled onto the thigh). Or then why are these training sessions on the tatami?
      8. Denzel13
        Denzel13 2 November 2012 11: 48
        0
        Bastrykin is no less dirty than Serdyukov.
    3. Samos
      Samos 27 October 2012 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Vito
      I hope the cartridges are explosive !.


      Tungsten !!)))
    4. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 27 October 2012 10: 03
      +4
      You are more careful with such statements! And then all of a sudden some kind of ideological young man who, in the next draft to join the army, will take the idea into service, and accidentally during the exercises, which will be attended by a direct fire from T90
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2012 10: 08
      +8
      Quote: Vito

      To bang this Tolik Serdyukovich from a mortar

      And the mortar should be installed on his beloved IVECO. It’s necessary to disperse the whole coven that Serdyukov scored. It’s not clear that with respect to the Minister of Defense, which exists in the country, why Putin keeps him. We have a situation in which there is simply no one to replace him. It’s a pity that we won’t know what his fighting friends will begin to say. This evil is not read enough, as if some discovery had been made- OH BLINK turns out to be a THEft. Yes, there are so many frauds and not three billion. And now these people hold posts and have access to huge amounts of money, and then the generals say they don’t have enough money for the uniform. They can tell where to look.
      1. dimanf
        dimanf 27 October 2012 14: 14
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . You need to disperse the whole coven that scored Serdyukov.


        you have to start with TAGS!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: dimanf
          you have to start with TAGS!

          The fish rots from the head..........
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 27 October 2012 15: 08
        0
        no one. who else will lick like that, and even on Serdyukov himself such contacts are made that if touched, it will stink
    6. Lucky
      Lucky 27 October 2012 11: 44
      0
      Yes, not the traveling Russia got the minister (
      1. WW3
        WW3 27 October 2012 11: 56
        +7
        A thief should sit in jail!
        1. lotus04
          lotus04 28 October 2012 09: 52
          +1
          Quote: WW3
          A thief should sit in jail!


          Nuuu brothers! It doesn’t work today! Times are not the same. See for yourself where thieves are sitting!
          1. WW3
            WW3 29 October 2012 00: 35
            +2
            Quote: lotus04
            See for yourself where thieves are sitting!

            Everything flows, everything changes....From prison and from money as they say.... bully
    7. Hon
      Hon 28 October 2012 00: 23
      +2
      What are you talking about? Anatoly Eduardovich is an honest man! This is all the opposition’s order for the money of the State Department ...
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 28 October 2012 08: 39
        0
        Hon, however you are a comedian laughing
    8. Lieutenant colonel
      Lieutenant colonel 29 October 2012 07: 35
      0
      And to say that Private Pupkin is to blame (here he is standing next to a bad person) and that Pupkin will certainly be punished - by early dismissal from the army! So his bastard - even if he lives and knows that he was expelled from the army, and the rest - no one is guilty anymore, Serdyukov himself climbed to watch, for sure. I am ready to make my contribution - to cry over the irreconcilably deceased MO, honestly. Hurry already. Comrades, active servicemen, please organize us a wake soon, when there will be another Caucasus, East, etc.
  3. AAA
    AAA 27 October 2012 08: 49
    +8
    Let's wait a bit. I think they will give it probation again or the case will be dismissed due to the lack of corpus delicti.
    1. Beck
      Beck 27 October 2012 10: 59
      +8
      I had vague pink assumptions. What if all of these, from time to time, major exposures of corruption are the government’s struggle against stealing officials. But this article confirmed clear suspicions.

      All these revelations, this is not a government fight against corruption. This is a fight and MONEY.

      They steal everything. But I want more. To do this, it is necessary to expose one thieving official, so that later, from his chair, continue to steal even more. And so the government is fighting for money.

      One does not bring down the other for justice and honesty. But only in order to select the Fat Bone and suck it yourself.
  4. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 27 October 2012 08: 54
    +10
    Why Tolik Serdyukov ?! Too much honor, more truly thanlana!

    If now the toljans get dressed, then V.V. Putin will look pale against this background. And for such actions, the FAS team comes from the Kremlin! Therefore, logically, he should not get out, and indeed he puts real sticks in the correct reform of the army. Looks like he was stolen, forgive me so arrogant that even at the top he catches his eye.
  5. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 27 October 2012 09: 04
    +9
    A decent person, after such a shameful incident, will resign.
    It remains to be fed up that this person still has at least some decency.
    1. Civil
      Civil 27 October 2012 09: 17
      +15
      Ivan Tarasov,

      a decent person will not deal with such matters
    2. merkel1961
      merkel1961 27 October 2012 09: 21
      +19
      Serdyukov showed his decency by swearing at the Hero, and where did you see the conscience and honesty of a banal huckster who became a tax officer by the will of a non-coincidental accident. resignation is done by those who neither want to sit, nor to hand over their own.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 27 October 2012 10: 18
        +10
        To shoot? It's funny ...
        Shoot people with conscience and honor, but this? This is about the existence of such concepts do not suspect ...
        1. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 27 October 2012 16: 29
          +2
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          To shoot? Funny

          Well, maybe he will hammer a nail in his own head, nails and hammers seem to be closer to him than a weapon. lol
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 27 October 2012 22: 59
        +3
        Shooting people with HONOR! And hucksters will turn out ...
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2012 10: 10
      +4
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov

      A decent person, after such a shameful incident, will resign

      decent man, shoot himself with shame.
      1. Gorchakov
        Gorchakov 27 October 2012 22: 19
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        decent man, shoot himself with shame.

        And where did you see a decent businessman? What shame does a businessman have? He doesn’t belong to those people who are ready to part with life for their own honor ... I think that he doesn’t deserve even the right to put a bullet in his head himself ... His place near the bucket ... I don’t know what decision they will make at the top, but he already deserved the resignation .... For a long time ....
        1. Civil
          Civil 27 October 2012 23: 09
          0
          Gorchakov,

          about commerce - the truth!
    4. MilitaryPens94
      MilitaryPens94 27 October 2012 10: 17
      +4
      How naive you are, Vanya. Though a colonel.
    5. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 27 October 2012 14: 10
      +1
      why forgive such a person decency ???? he ruined customs and did not choke
    6. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 27 October 2012 15: 10
      +1
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      It remains to be fed up that this person still has at least some decency
      she is not there, he sold her
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2012 09: 13
    +7
    Surprising wave around this theft !!
    Further, the dust will settle and everything will remain in its place !!!
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 27 October 2012 10: 18
      0
      It seems that this is exactly how it will be ...
  7. abzrais
    abzrais 27 October 2012 09: 19
    +13
    Everything went to this. If Serdyukov is dry, Putin will lose his authority for a long time. Sunset begins to Putin and his politics. He does not always heed common sense. The Minister of Defense in our country should be a military man. I think there are worthy ones.
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 27 October 2012 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: abzrais
      Everything went to this. If Serdyukov is dry, Putin will lose his authority for a long time. Sunset begins to Putin and his politics. He does not always heed common sense. The Minister of Defense in our country should be a military man. I think there are worthy ones.


      I think the president will not go for it. The very fact of theft in an extremely impudent form is fulfilled. Asks for punishment.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 27 October 2012 10: 16
      +9
      Put Putin on authority! He doesn’t care at all, the elections aren’t coming soon, the business will come - again they will draw popular support ...
    3. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 27 October 2012 23: 30
      +4
      Quote: abzrais
      . The Minister of Defense in our country should be a military man. I think there are worthy ones.

      A military man is not a military man, It should be a Person - a Person, not a bumble-head with a shining snout and thieving eyes, but without a magnifying glass it was clear that it was (a man of little education).
  8. taseka
    taseka 27 October 2012 09: 26
    +6
    Spiders in the bank, bite only the one who puts his hand in there!
    Mortars on the bank !!!
    1. bask
      bask 27 October 2012 11: 08
      +11
      Mortars on, the bank, it’s gut. THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA IS THE CHIEF COMMANDING ARMED FORCES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. The Ministry of Defense is directly subordinate to it. If such a situation in the Moscow Region suits him, then what are we talking about .. All power in Russia is in the hands of the GDP. He is responsible for the country's security. Stop being an outsider, observer)))) )) It's time to move on to tough actions to restore order !!!!!
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 27 October 2012 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: taseka
      Mortars on the bank !!!

      enough kerosene. why throw mines
  9. awg75
    awg75 27 October 2012 09: 40
    +13
    Taburetkin came running for a search an hour after the start ---- on the thief and the hat is on. I can imagine how he interfered with the investigators. therefore, Putin’s instructions to Taburetkin with instructions to facilitate the investigation seem ridiculous. I think even a small child understands that the stool in this company of thieves and rats is the main dad. this bastard of the Minister of Defense should not be resigned, but 20 years to Kolyma.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 27 October 2012 11: 09
      +4
      Why to Kalym, 20 years of execution, and to Kalym there is still someone to send. The government is large, and even former ministers like Khristenko cannot be ignored either.
  10. bobon_
    bobon_ 27 October 2012 09: 44
    +2
    ... well, they won’t put him in prison, so at least they frighten all the crap in the Defense Ministry ... it’s high time to create these things ....
  11. Ascetic
    Ascetic 27 October 2012 09: 45
    +10
    Evgenia Vasilieva (she was born in 1979) managed to build a simply dizzying career. After school, I entered the law faculty of St. Petersburg State University, and studied at the same time as my future boss Anatoly Serdyukov, who received a second education there. At the same time, Yulia Zubkova (daughter of Deputy Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov), who later became the wife of Anatoly Serdyukov, studied at St. Petersburg State University (Roman began at the university).
    After graduating from the university, in 2001, Serdyukov went to work at the Federal Tax Service in St. Petersburg, and Evgenia Vasilieva worked as a legal adviser in various firms, dealing, among other things, with problems related to taxation. In 2007, Serdyukov was appointed defense minister. In the same year, Evgenia Vasilyeva took the position of general director of the St. Petersburg branch of the capital construction company "SU-155". At the same time, she became a volunteer advisor to the first deputy mayor of Moscow, Vladimir Resin, and in 2009, an advisor to the deputy head of the presidential administration of the Russian Federation, Alexander Beglov.
    In 2010, Vasilyeva went to work at the Ministry of Defense, where she took the post of adviser to the chief of staff Anatoly Serdyukov, and then - head of the property relations department. Vasilyeva left her last post in the summer of 2012.
    Questions of the RF IC to Vasilyeva relate to her activities in the defense department and "Oboronservis"
    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2012/10/25/1051077.html

    In army circles now, when discussing the decisions of the military department, there is a saying "Interestingly girls are dancing"

    Female regiment of Minister Serdyukov
    My webpage
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2012 10: 12
      +8
      Serdyukov does not have a bad taste, of course he had nothing from her laughing
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 27 October 2012 10: 24
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Serdyukov does not have a bad taste, of course he had nothing from her

        Sasha, welcome! Serdyukov will not engage in fraud. This is not beneficial for him, because in Oboronservis he also has about 20% of the shares and, on the contrary, is interested in the well-being and reputation of this company. Putin certainly gave the go-ahead, but too many military professionals were left without a lot in the Defense Ministry when Serdyukov brought his leadership there women's battalion.
        For example, when Shlyakhturov was removed from the leadership of the GRU, he was given a piece of candy in the form of the post of chairman of the board of directors of that very bread "Oboronservis". But as they say, the GRU is not the organization and not those people who just forget the bottomless grievances.

        .

        Alexander Romanov,

        Well, such Vasiliev’s guys ... you won’t rearrange to Berlin .. For example
        Olga Vasilieva heads the Department of Financial Support of the Ministry of Defense.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 October 2012 10: 28
          +9
          Hi Stanislav, I did not understand, why again Vasiliev is that one family
          Quote: Ascetic
          Evgenia Vasilyeva

          Quote: Ascetic
          Olga Vasilyeva

          MO turned into a harem. Judging by the pictures ALL professionals yes There has never been such a minister and ministry in the world.
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 27 October 2012 14: 02
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Judging by the pictures ALL professionals

            With what in all respects feel
        2. askort154
          askort154 27 October 2012 13: 52
          +2
          I look at these women and I think ............... no, I wouldn’t refuse the post
          MINISTER OF DEFENSE. I am an optimist - "hope dies last"!
        3. slav4ikus
          slav4ikus 27 October 2012 14: 15
          +3
          there these bl .. until China can not be rearranged! and everything with my mind
        4. APASUS
          APASUS 31 October 2012 21: 38
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          For example, Olga Vasilieva heads the Department of Financial Support of the Ministry of Defense.

          Is it interesting that Olga Vasilieva lives on Rublevka? or is she just giving a cottage on the Cote d'Azur?
      2. bask
        bask 27 October 2012 10: 39
        +8
        Greetings to Aleksandr. And who claimed in the posts of these ,, sisters ,, and Sedryukov himself. In 2012, Not the President ??? , and a threat to the .... national security of Russia))))))))))))))
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 27 October 2012 18: 55
      +3
      good bitch! ... bully
      1. Anti
        Anti 27 October 2012 19: 35
        0
        Well, the taste, Makar mymy from her, you are burping yourself .. wassat
  12. AAA
    AAA 27 October 2012 09: 46
    +6
    The people will be everything, as always. Remember how everything began in the case of Baturina. Both the statements of the Investigative Committee of Russia and her brother were closed, and the sea of ​​all information in the media. And what? .And others. Who is really planted? Please name, if you know.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 27 October 2012 11: 22
      +12
      Our Guarantor is a real Macho; he guarantees everything except the prosperity of RUSSIA - this is not written in the Constitution! And all the breeders carry up, for what else is the vertical? So do not think that something will change in our country
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 21: 44
        +5
        SASCHAmIXEEW

        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        Our Guarantor is a real Macho; he guarantees everything except the prosperity of RUSSIA ...


        There is also such an important concept as improving the well-being of the people. So this national state is taken from its own people in clever ways, appropriated or distributed among themselves vertically.
        Someone will prosper, and 80 percent can hardly survive, as is now happening.
        From me "+"
  13. Averias
    Averias 27 October 2012 09: 54
    -4
    This is how I see this situation. Putin, when he again became president, gave time to think so to think (to think over, change, find a framework, try to somehow remember what conscience and duty to Russia, etc.), bureaucrats did not heed this, they decided to score. Say everything will be as always. They forgot one thing with their brains floating from a fat - power can endure and close its eyes. But the authorities never forget anything and most importantly do not forgive. And even more so when about this power (read V.V. Putin's feet wiping). So the end of patience came. It is clear that attacks from the forehead are of little use. But with such shakes the anthill stirs, the most important thing is that a start has been made. And they will plant someone or not - the second question.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 27 October 2012 10: 14
      +10
      Extremely naive reasoning ...
      1. ughhh
        ughhh 27 October 2012 10: 58
        -1
        By the way, I largely agree. The management of the country is clearly shifted to other tracks, those who do not have time to rebuild - fly out of the head carriage.
        This is the process of returning sovereignty according to E. Fedorov.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 27 October 2012 11: 27
        +4
        I completely agree with you who carries the one stroking the head! But let's see, the reaction should be immediate! If not, then it’s clear who the Pahan is!
      3. Konrad
        Konrad 27 October 2012 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: Brother Sarich

        Extremely naive reasoning ...

        Let's see, everything can be.
      4. Averias
        Averias 27 October 2012 16: 02
        0
        Yah. Reason, only clearly and without slogans.
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 27 October 2012 13: 57
      0
      Serdyuk will be poured. How to give poured. Mavr did his job.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: ramzes1776
        Serdyuk will be poured. How to give poured. Mavr did his job.

        And here I am of a different opinion! Do not merge! hi
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 6 November 2012 19: 43
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          And here I am of a different opinion! Do not merge!

          Today is November 6th. I said that they will merge !!!!!
      2. leha 2012
        leha 2012 28 October 2012 03: 31
        0
        I agree, it seems to me this is a long-made workpiece
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 27 October 2012 18: 35
      +2
      Quote: Averias

      This is how I see this situation.

      Take off the pink glasses.
    4. NEMO
      NEMO 27 October 2012 22: 08
      +1
      There are not small children, in the presence of such an apparatus of informers, GDP was always up to date with everything, he either granted this estate for food or he himself was in share.
  14. peter-tank
    peter-tank 27 October 2012 10: 00
    +4
    I agree with many who believe that if a nuclear power plant comes out of the water, then the GDP confidence rating will drop to zero. I want to believe that the SC will bring the matter to its logical end. And it’s time to re-turn the Ministry of Defense into a purely men's club.

    I agree with many who believe that if a nuclear power plant comes out of the water, then the GDP confidence rating will drop to zero. I want to believe that the SC will bring the matter to its logical end. And it’s time to re-turn the Ministry of Defense into a purely men's club.
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 27 October 2012 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: piter-tank
      then the GDP confidence rating will drop to zero.


      a little fall left!
    2. Samovar
      Samovar 27 October 2012 15: 24
      +1
      Quote: piter-tank
      And it’s time to re-turn the Ministry of Defense into a purely men's club.

      I will add - "a purely male military-patriotic club" good
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 04
      +3
      Quote: piter-tank
      that if a nuclear power plant comes out dry,

      Come out, look!
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 27 October 2012 18: 41
      +4
      Quote: piter-tank
      that if a nuclear power plant comes out of the water dry, then the GDP confidence rating will drop to zero.

      It's okay, the GDP will again "save" the country from the terrible German-Kaspar-bulk, will mutter something vague about the statehood and the rating will be restored.
  15. Waroc
    Waroc 27 October 2012 10: 11
    +5
    Quote: AAA
    Let's wait a bit. I think they will give it probation again or the case will be dismissed due to the lack of corpus delicti.


    For some reason, it seems to me that it will not even happen conditionally.
    And I would be glad to be mistaken, but ...

    Please note that this news was on the front pages the day before yesterday all day, and yesterday it was silence. Is there really no progress in this matter, didn’t dig up anything, didn’t find anything, is there really nothing to say to the public in two days of work (((

    Bastards.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 27 October 2012 17: 25
      +1
      All of our corrupt media looks right into the mouth of GDP. And what can it do after such a message: ***** Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The President instructed him to provide full assistance to the investigation. *****
  16. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 27 October 2012 10: 13
    +6
    There is no doubt that Serdyukov will again come out of the water dry!
    For decades, everything that is bad and even very good has been plundered and stolen - and suddenly someone will be punished? Oh well...
    And why did they put Serdyukov on the post, how not to steal army property, and, incidentally, destroy the army? Everyone has already turned around to point it out, but everything is only flourishing ...
    Personally, I don’t see one positive fact in his work, even the increase in salaries in its basis was far from the support of the military, and banking fraud in the first place ...
  17. galeo88
    galeo88 27 October 2012 10: 24
    +6
    Damn, when will this circus end? I sincerely want the Minister of Defense to become really a man of honor, and not this bargain who has an army on the drum. recourse
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 10: 36
      +10
      galeo88
      The highly respected GDP believes otherwise.
      Therefore, humble yourself and rejoice.
      1. ImpKonstantin
        ImpKonstantin 27 October 2012 11: 52
        +5
        This whole thing is dark .. Serdyukov was put on the post just at the time when they first started talking about plans to modernize the army by 20 trillion, replacing Ivanov, who was respected in the RA, despite the fact that Serdyukov himself is associated with the army only for 2 years of military service and officer courses .. This is already very interesting. Army professionals are also being dismissed from senior management positions. A reasonable question arises: why did a wedge of light converge on Serdyukov in choosing a candidate for the post of minister? You cannot call him a responsible person .. Clannishness? Perhaps and even most likely. Putin needed his own man in the Moscow Region, who would not have any authority and would obediently carry out the tasks assigned to him (do not care about the quality of execution, if only he was silent in a rag), hence the saying that “we don’t change the horses in the crossing”, because to find such a devotee It’s not working out yet, and the whole thing with Oboronservis is only in order to weaken its already shaky position in the Ministry of Defense, so that it would not relax and, in which case, displacing Serdyukov, no problems arose.
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 27 October 2012 17: 28
          +1
          By the way, for information: In the army, Taburetkin served for some reason for 1.5 years. True, the parts where he "rocked the term" have not yet been found or do not want to advertise. By law, he was supposed to serve for 2 years. QUESTION?
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 02
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Therefore, humble yourself and rejoice.

        That's right! wassat
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 27 October 2012 11: 37
      +2
      The circus will leave together with the clowns when we all come to the polls and choose worthy deputies and rulers. When EVERYTHING comes, then the ghouls will not have a chance to cheat!
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 27 October 2012 12: 56
        0
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        we will choose worthy deputies and rulers

        And where to get them ???
    3. dimanf
      dimanf 27 October 2012 14: 21
      +6
      Quote: galeo88
      I sincerely want the Minister of Defense to truly become a man of honor


      for this, the president must be such a person!
  18. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 10: 25
    +11
    Anatoly Serdyukov was let down by the "sisters in arms" - they did not share with "brothers in mind" ...

    How tired of all this ...
    Will Russia ever rise from sleep ???
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 01
      +2
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Will Russia ever rise from sleep ???

      Greetings buddy! Looks like no! I’m wondering what the consequences will be for him .........?
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 17: 14
        +3
        nycsson
        My fiery greetings, Alex !!!
        Effects? Matchmakers for half a liter of tea will agree somehow ...
        The consequences will be for the "switchmen".
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 44
          +2
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Matchmakers for half a liter of tea will agree somehow ...

          Of course, agree!
          Quote: Samsebenum
          The consequences will be for the "switchmen".

          Scapegoats for any will find ........
          What kind of mess in our country? I never cease to be surprised! request
          1. Samsebenaum
            Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 21: 07
            +2
            nycsson

            "
            Quote: nycsson
            What kind of mess in our country? I never cease to be surprised!


            I will answer with a saying ...
            "Anything the overlord wants has the force of law ...
  19. wolk71
    wolk71 27 October 2012 10: 39
    0
    Without Putin’s personal permission, Bastrykin would not go against Serdyukov, after all, a minister. No wonder they kept him; they did not change him; he was needed until time. The cleaning is going on not only in the Duma, but here the minister and his department will be cleaned, and Rogozin will be vacated.
  20. str73
    str73 27 October 2012 10: 40
    +5
    I think the time has come for Putin to build his team and, walking along the line, each stick his fist under his nose, pronouncing quietly "warm" words to each individually. To do this earlier, before being elected president in March of this year, was risky for him (you never know) - they could have tripped him up. Putin is a smart man and is gradually tightening the screws. In any case, I would like to hope so. And then it will end like Tsar Nicholas II - bogged down in corruption (the dealers of the tsarist troops in World War I sold shells to the tridoroga), and then the external "friends" of Russia right there and without a revolution can no longer do!
    1. PiP
      PiP 27 October 2012 11: 56
      +3
      "passing along the line, each poke under" - not like that. Drive everyone through the line with sticks.
      1. str73
        str73 27 October 2012 12: 16
        +2
        I agree ! That's better!!!
    2. demel2
      demel2 27 October 2012 12: 13
      +4
      and what prevented Putin from doing this earlier? IMHO everything will remain as it was
      1. str73
        str73 27 October 2012 12: 23
        0
        Previously, the upcoming elections and the need for support hindered. Well, in any case, I think, now he has more room for maneuver.
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 17: 22
          +4
          str73

          A bad dancer, as you know, is hindered by one circumstance, in the form of a paired organ between the legs. Everything else is called in one word - unsuitability.
    3. dimanf
      dimanf 27 October 2012 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: str73

      I think it's time for Putin to build his team



      his time has passed!
    4. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 27 October 2012 17: 19
      +4
      str73

      Quote: str73
      I think it's time for Putin to build his team ...


      Build in what sense? If you create, how much time does he need? Another 12 or 24 years?
      If in the sense of "take by the throat", then with a full complement for the bunk and himself, as a "miracle manager", lead this parade.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Another 12 or 24 years?

        There is one principle! By then, either the donkey will die or .......... laughing
    5. nycsson
      nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 36
      +2
      Quote: str73
      I think the time has come for Putin to build his team and, walking along the line, each stick his fist under his nose, pronouncing quietly "warm" words to each individually.

      Have you seriously written or joked ??? wassat
  21. ism_ek
    ism_ek 27 October 2012 10: 47
    +5
    Vasiliev has long been removed from his post. The story of her theft has already been hushed up.
    Again, the case was given a course after the unsuccessful abduction of Razvozzhaev in Kiev, in order to remove the negative in public opinion. Information bomb - Minister in bed with a thief!
    On Friday, the State Duma began to consider a bill on mandatory declaration by officials of COSTS. Ten years have resisted this ..
    As they say, not by washing, so by skating .... wink
  22. Farvil
    Farvil 27 October 2012 10: 57
    +6
    Laws should work and not look into Putin’s mouth, they will not allow me to allow. THIS WE HAVE CHOSEN THEM, NOT THEY ARE US AND THEY MUST LOOK AT US IN THE MOUTH.
    1. Delink
      Delink 27 October 2012 11: 07
      0
      Farvil you're right, only one BUT. They are on top now, and we are down. And nothing depends on us anymore.
      And put anyone in his place, after a while he will be the same grab and silent.
      To live like a wolf, howl like a wolf.
  23. askort154
    askort154 27 October 2012 11: 01
    +9
    Mr. Bastrikin, please come out. Everything is under control, said Anatoly, a sortie out of Evgenia Vasilievna’s bed.
  24. Optics
    Optics 27 October 2012 11: 14
    +2
    "... Theft of army property on an especially large scale surfaced ..." "... However, as you know, Anatoly Serdyukov is a grated loaf, ..." "... the minister himself may well come out dry. he is not to blame, they themselves traded land in the wrong direction and at the wrong prices ... ".." Vladimir Putin himself repeated the words more than once ... "" ... that Serdyukov, despite any perturbations, came out dry in any situation."...
    Somehow like this.
    The President "instructed" the Minister and the Minister took on his personal control)))) it is the same as entrusting the murderer with the investigation of the murder he committed. International practice - minister - for release and arrest pending trial.
  25. patriot2
    patriot2 27 October 2012 11: 26
    +1
    Samsebenaum,
    Russia will wake up from sleep only when the whole people feel bad. In the meantime, "my house is on the edge ..." and the endless patience of the people, who were taught to live in poverty and misery during the Soviet years.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 27 October 2012 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: patriot2
      In the meantime, "my house is on the edge ..." and the endless patience of the people, who were taught to live in poverty and misery during the Soviet years.

      That's for sure! My hut from the edge, I don’t know anything! This is our main problem .......
  26. Simple
    Simple 27 October 2012 11: 32
    +4
    It is a pity that justice works only for the FAS team.
    1. Simple
      Simple 27 October 2012 13: 33
      +2
      or the same: “Fu! You can’t! ”
  27. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 27 October 2012 11: 32
    +1
    Yes, Serdyukov has a taste for women, there is nothing to be said. wink Not comforting or happy, but at least not gay! wink wink
    1. PiP
      PiP 27 October 2012 12: 06
      +4
      Many gays deliberately created around them the opinion that they are lovers of women, but in fact ... they are piDoRs
    2. Felix200970
      Felix200970 27 October 2012 12: 22
      0
      Quote: Oleg147741
      Not comforting or happy, but at least not gay!

      just 3,14dor,
  28. Simple
    Simple 27 October 2012 11: 42
    +1
    The inevitability of punishment in spite of the ranks - will repulse the desire to robot to the left.
    I wish SK successful robots.
  29. georg737577
    georg737577 27 October 2012 11: 43
    0
    It's time to hold a referendum on the renewal of duels; then everyone can defend their honor and dignity, and the honor of their country and army ... I would call Serdyukov ...
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 27 October 2012 15: 33
      0
      the summoned one has the right to choose a weapon. so he will choose the T-90, against PM
  30. Slevinst
    Slevinst 27 October 2012 11: 48
    0
    Such a horse as Serdyukov can be changed at the crossing. pedosovsky
    1. EropMyxoMop
      EropMyxoMop 30 October 2012 22: 12
      0
      Ovans shale is not Serdyukov but his immediate superior. Serdyukov is just a thief.
  31. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 27 October 2012 11: 51
    +3
    I know why, my friends, I’m surprised: how do we still have planes flying, but tanks go, and soon they’re going to merge kerosene and diesel fuel: fuel and lubricants are not cheap now

    I know why, my friends, I’m surprised: how do we still have planes flying, but tanks go, and soon they’re going to merge kerosene and diesel fuel: fuel and lubricants are not cheap now
  32. Simple
    Simple 27 October 2012 11: 53
    +1
    The young lades at him - yeah ...
    Well, nothing, women's colonies and girls didn’t make it.
  33. sergskak
    sergskak 27 October 2012 12: 19
    +3
    Perhaps, before the arrival of the investigators, Anatoly Eduardovich decided to punish Mrs. Vasilyeva as an ex-chief for the fraud and denigration of his immaculate ministerial name ...
    laughing He punished with feeling and constellation, and maybe more than once.
  34. Onotollah
    Onotollah 27 October 2012 12: 25
    +1
    nosy sly, nosy impudent.
    There is an opinion that it is time for him to pick up fashion bunks for himself laughing like a big furniture specialist yes
  35. Mails
    Mails 27 October 2012 12: 33
    0
    The main thing is that the investigating and judicial authorities should closely monitor the same situation, because in our country it happens: the virus destroys video evidence of guilt, or the mice in the courthouse erase whole volumes of criminal cases ...

    Plus, definitely! )
  36. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 27 October 2012 12: 41
    +1
    Eh ... women and vodka will be brought to the zugunder. (I don’t know how vodka is, but there are women already.) It's time to remember and prepare Mr. Serdyukov.
  37. Ilmer
    Ilmer 27 October 2012 12: 46
    +8
    I read and never cease to be surprised! Gentlemen, what are you talking about? What claims can be to him, with him everything is clear and understandable. Ask questions to the one who put him there!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 28 October 2012 13: 49
      0
      Quote: Ilmer
      Ask questions to the one who put him there!

      laughing This is the site of patriots! For the majority, Putin is a non-alternative savior of the Fatherland! laughing
  38. Simple
    Simple 27 October 2012 13: 07
    +3
    A small parody:
    S: “BB, can I?”
    VV: “Please sit down (here)”
    S: “VV, well, why exactly in my Ministry of Defense, there are other ministries,
    for which 3 miles, it’s not enough to wipe it? Look
    what kind of army am I doing: during a conflict her (Army) opponent
    it cannot be distinguished from its own (factor of surprise and confusion).
    It would be possible, to call me, to give an instruction, would I deal with my women myself? Well, why, then, in underpants, why is this circus, what are they thinking about me in the Farum now, I won’t wish you that. And what should I do now? ”
    VV: “Well, you did not cope with the course of the crossing - it brings you to the other side. Or shall I swim for you? ”

    Curtain closes.
    1. Simple
      Simple 27 October 2012 14: 08
      +1
      .....
      VV: “Please sit down (here)”
      S: “Allow me to report standing up?”
      .......
      1. Simple
        Simple 27 October 2012 15: 13
        0
        ...
        S: “... what the Farum people think about me now, I don’t wish you that.
        VV: “They will think that you are a real man in every way.
        And a real man is responsible not only for himself, but for his
        subordinates. "
        ......
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 27 October 2012 20: 56
      +2
      daughter (with a tear in his voice) into the phone: "Dad, help! The family is crumbling ..."
      father: "Well, I will pinch the eggs of this son of a bitch! Don't cry, daughter, from today she will spend the night - at home! ..."
      father: "Bastrykin, take all the kept women of my son-in-law to your official kosht - the owner gave the GOOD!"
      B: "THERE IS!" ... "Investigative team - TO EXIT!"
  39. Waroc
    Waroc 27 October 2012 14: 29
    0
    Quote: sergskak
    Perhaps, before the arrival of the investigators, Anatoly Eduardovich decided to punish Mrs. Vasilyeva as an ex-chief for the fraud and denigration of his immaculate ministerial name ...

    He punished with feeling and constellation, and maybe more than once.



    With or without Viagra, he clearly punished more than once - he worked all night, heartfelt, and in the morning he delegated it to the guys from the Investigative Committee to punish her, so to speak, hand-to-hand.

    I wonder how his wife reacted to this incident?)))
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 27 October 2012 16: 11
      +5
      The fact of the matter is that the main position is son-in-law, and the father-in-law, a commissioner who looks across Russia, he promoted as his own, but one of the concubines began to surpass his wife - lives in the same house, manages big money ... dad did not give his daughter offended - connected law enforcement officers, a rival to prison, son-in-law in a stall ...
      Normal alignment from the ancient world, take any historical source - full of examples. And Putin is an official, what can he do, commissars rule ...
    2. military
      military 31 October 2012 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Waroc
      I wonder how his wife reacted to this incident?)))
  40. Megatron
    Megatron 27 October 2012 15: 49
    +1
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    Yeah, they see how their children are being bullied at schools, and the crowds of Muslims will attack them.
  41. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 27 October 2012 16: 35
    +3
    They attacked Tolik Taburetkin. It is clear to you that Oboronservice is an independent legal entity, and all of its daughters are of the type of REU, Slavyanka, etc. especially. And from the point of view of the current Civil Code of the Russian Federation, this is absolutely correct information. Shreds formally does not bear any responsibility for the actions of such JSCs.
    Heifers in his machine are beautiful, well-groomed, Italian and French suits urinate with "chanel".
    1. Lesorub
      Lesorub 27 October 2012 19: 22
      -1
      Well now, some of his chicks from the apparatus will urinate on the bucket .... 10 years lol
  42. andrey9031
    andrey9031 27 October 2012 16: 45
    +2
    In the apartment of Vasilyeva there was a man similar to Serdyukov
  43. nycsson
    nycsson 27 October 2012 16: 58
    +1
    I bet that they won’t remove him even after that !!!! wassat
  44. understudy
    understudy 27 October 2012 17: 15
    +2
    Quote: olegyurjewitch
    nails and hammers seem to be closer to him than weapons

    Money and only money is their most important weapon.

    Quote: Ascetic
    why again Vasiliev is that one family

    They are sisters ... in the rookery.

    Quote: Averias
    gave time to think so to speak

    Naivety. What happened did not happen today or even yesterday. And the questions are precisely to the one who brought this subject and his "girls" to office ...

    Quote: Optics
    it’s the same as instructing the killer to investigate what he’s committed

    There is a more nationally appropriate way to run a goat into the garden to protect cabbage.
  45. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 27 October 2012 17: 45
    +2
    September 30, 2010 at the training ground of the Ryazan Higher Command School of the Airborne Forces "Seltsy" one of the most high-profile scandals in the modern history of Russia occurred. Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, flying around the training ground by helicopter, noticed the unfinished buildings of the barracks and the dining room, he also noticed the Orthodox Church of Ilya the Prophet, built nearby. Stepping out of a helicopter
    Coming out of the helicopter, Serdyukov immediately swore the head of the Ryazan School of the Airborne Forces, the hero of Russia, the guard of Colonel Andrei Krasov and the officers next to him: “The barracks were not completed, the dining room was not completed, and they had cut off the church for 180 million!”

    Andrei Krasov tried to explain to the minister that not a penny of budget money was spent on the construction of the temple, and he was fully raised at the expense of the Ryazan Diocese, various sponsors and veterans of the Airborne Forces.
    However, all this only angered Serdyukov, who shouted in a fit of rage: “You live in shit here, and you will die in shit! Do not give money to this center of the Airborne Forces! This school generally needs to be reduced. To remove this arrogant colonel - and to the troops! ”

    FURNITURE ALWAYS REMAIN FURNITURE !!!
    In June 2010, an order for the purchase of furniture for the needs of the Ministry of Defense and Rosoboronpostavka appeared on the public procurement website. So, the head of the last department for his office needed a set of furniture from 29 objects. Including the quote: “a table of veneers of olive tree root and beech veneer with mahogany veneer finish with meander-shaped marketingera”. Similar requests were also received from the deputies of Rosoboronpostavka and the managers of a lower rank, totaling 20,3 million rubles.
    In his personal account, Anatoly Serdyukov decided not to save money and asked: “The table should be made of solid wood species with antique handmade trim. Pens - gold, color - dark cherry. "

    Such attention and requests for furniture from the head of the Ministry of Defense is not accidental. After graduating from the Leningrad Institute of Trade, Serdyukov, during the period from 1984 to 1985, served in the Soviet Army for a year. True, for some unknown reason, he served only two and a half years instead of two years - and this is the whole military experience of the Minister of Defense of a nuclear power.

    Serdyukov did not have enough time or desire to strengthen the army!
  46. dmb
    dmb 27 October 2012 18: 15
    +3
    Calm down fellow citizens. Everything will be as usual. The investigation will be conducted for two years, and everyone will forget about the unfortunate 3 billion, which no one will ever return to the treasury, and about Serdyukov. A couple of his hoes will receive suspended sentences without confiscation of property. And all this will be according to the law. For such laws were pushed into the Duma by our party and government. Serdyukov himself, most likely, will leave the current chair and head some international center for the analysis of stool business, in which both Pukhov Ruslan and current advisers will work, and citizens, forgetting about all these troubles, will ardently discuss the next "dancers" in the Temple or a drunken clergyman who knocked down a worship cross with his Maybach. There is such confidence that Serdyukov will be removed. Chief Military Prosecutor Fridinsky has already said that he has long been fighting corruption in Oboronservis, but Serdyukov does not understand this. Knowing Fridinsky quite well, I can say that he always "hesitated only in accordance with the general line of the party," and therefore could not allow voluntarism.
    1. Simple
      Simple 27 October 2012 19: 41
      +1
      SK of the Russian Federation a shovel would be a little-dig deeper.
      And then, as always, a sieve with large cells will be given out.
      (I apologize in advance for vulgarism, but the end justifies the means).
  47. dmitrich
    dmitrich 27 October 2012 18: 29
    0
    Really and now does not find the courage to resign.
  48. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 27 October 2012 19: 31
    +2
    Where does the furniture-salesman have the courage ?! If there was courage, he would be a real man.

    The terms are mutually exclusive!
  49. wax
    wax 27 October 2012 19: 45
    +2
    To the Mordovian female colony for five years, and the boss to Khodorkovsky - for ten years.
    1. wax
      wax 28 October 2012 13: 14
      0
      Corruption in the Moscow Region will stop immediately. And not only in the Moscow Region.
  50. Lesorub
    Lesorub 27 October 2012 20: 16
    +5
    Serdyukov when he was Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation created the Special Military District - Whore
    wassat
    in order to strengthen the fighting efficiency of ....................................... member
    laughing laughing laughing