"Motovilikhinskiye Zavody": save or finish off?

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"Motovilikhinskiye Zavody": save or finish off?

In our country… yes, events are taking place in our country, which, from a legal point of view, raises questions for many today. What is CBO and so on, but in the context of our story, this does not make any sense, because we are talking about production weapons. Which is necessary both in NWO and in conventional warfare, and very necessary, because in war there are never enough weapons.

"Motovilikha". The most legendary weapons enterprise, the year of birth is considered to be 1736, when Vasily Tatishchev built a copper smelter, but the year of the formation of weapons production is 1864, when the steel cannon and iron cannon factories were built, which, having united in 1871, received the Perm cannon factory.



And from that moment it began story Motovilikha factories.

It had a long and glorious past. Every fourth gun of the Great Patriotic War was made in Perm.

Today PJSC "Motovilikhinskiye Zavody" combines metallurgical and machine-building production facilities. Motovilikha - Civil Engineering LLC produces metallurgical products, SKB CJSC produces military equipment, Grady, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Nona, Tulips, Msta-B, Sani, " Vienna. Naturally, the latest "Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S".


On August 20, 2009, in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation, Motovilikhinskiye Zavody PJSC was included in the list of strategic organizations of the country. In 2011, a large block of shares was acquired by JSC Research and Production Corporation Uralvagonzavod, through which the company passed into the state corporation Rostec.


And then the crisis began. In 2013, Nikolai Bukhvalov, General Director of Motovilikhinskiye Zavody OJSC, turned to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation with a request to give a legal assessment of the actions of the former shareholder Marat Zagidullov. According to the applicant, while managing the enterprise from 2002 to 2009, Zagidullov, acting jointly with other persons, inflicted damage on the OJSC of more than 1,268 billion rubles. by issuing loans to a number of legal entities that were not subsequently repaid. A criminal case was initiated, which, however, was terminated "due to the lack of corpus delicti in the actions of the defendants" in November 2014.

That is, the withdrawn billion is not a crime.

It is probably not surprising that at the beginning of August 2017 the enterprise entered bankruptcy proceedings - the court of the Perm Territory introduced a monitoring procedure for the plant and appointed a crisis manager. And of course, preparations began for the sale of "everything superfluous" at the factories.


Here is a link to the full listing for the sale, check it out.

Sale of Motovilikha

Our acquaintances from RT-Capital are "in business" again, whose main task is to get rid of "toxic assets".

But the war began and it turned out that the army needed guns and MLRS. Strange, but there is no way without artillery in the war.


Guess the process of bankruptcy and sale was stopped? That's right, it wasn't. It is simply impossible not to sell the property of a bankrupt, but we have a rule of law state in which the law prevails ...

But it is clear that stopping the plant, transferring it to another owner, who will surely (if there are those who wish) start personnel changes is not the smartest idea. But nevertheless, PJSC "Motovilikhinskiye Zavody" (hereinafter "MZ"), continue to be considered in "Rostec" as an object of sale. We will talk about the transaction figures a little lower, at first we have figures of a different nature.

What's at the factory today


Today "Motovilikha" is in a fever, and very strongly. A number of industries are trying to work in three shifts, especially those who are engaged in the production of components and the final assembly of products. It turns out not everywhere, there are simply not enough workers and there is really nowhere to take them.

Many things are missing, especially the catastrophic situation with equipment for the production of components for early models of equipment. Here the cursed “optimization” affected God and people, as a result of which the equipment was simply eliminated as unnecessary. Now, when equipment 60-70 years old is entering the NWO zone, there are a lot of problems with it. Where to get the components for the "Hurricane" of the first releases, no one will undertake to say.

There is no equipment, no components, no workers with proper qualifications.

Hence, many employees of the plant, occupying senior positions, predict the failure of the state order in terms of overhaul of equipment that came from the NWO zone, which (especially) came from storage.

The situation with the overhaul of engines is very bad. The point here is the lack of technical documentation from CJSC SKB and the co-executor CJSC Tekhnotrans, which also repairs engines, and the lack of experience, but the main thing is that the equipment comes from the storage bases of the Ministry of Defense in a simply deplorable state. And this is also a very big problem that cannot be solved at the snap of a finger.

Billions at stake


Not everyone in our state has changed their conscience for a machine for counting money, there are people who are well aware that the army needs equipment, guns and mortars. We need working factories, both for production and for repair.

There has been information that the state intends to allocate 14 billion rubles for the renovation of Motovilikha Plants.

This is a very significant amount, which can really solve many problems at factories. The whole question is where this money will go, because there are options, and not all of them look optimistic, given that the company is in bankruptcy proceedings.

Option 1. The money will go to the parent company. A very sad option, since in this case, almost all of them will go to settlements with creditors.

Option 2. The money will be at the disposal of the "daughters" of "MZ", which are now engaged in production and repair activities. CJSC "SKB" and LLC "MGM" could very well improve their situation and solve many production problems.

Option 3. The money will be at the disposal of the new owner, who will acquire the plants.

Let's look at the situations in more detail.

The first option should be considered through the prism of who is the owner of MZ in general and who is the creditor. The main shareholder is Rostec, he owns half of the shares of MZ.

The main creditor of the plant? Well, everyone will guess, of course, he is. Rostec. More precisely, the aforementioned daughters, the main of which, RT-Capital, is just engaged in funeral activities among military factories. Or former military factories.

The total amount of debts of "MZ" is 17,4 billion rubles, "Rostec" plants owe 10,5 billion, the rest is "little things" - to suppliers of components, taxes. Nearly seven billion more.

All the property of "MZ" is estimated at 9,4 billion rubles. The figure is decent, but do not forget that the factory is getting cheaper while working. Depreciation of the equipment goes on every day of its operation, and it's just great that the creditors did not demand a stoppage of work in order to maintain the balance sheet value of the enterprises. And then they could, we have a market ...

Here, in general, a very peculiar question arises: why is it for Rostec?

I'm not talking about bankruptcy and sale, because here it is clearly and clearly visible that with a debt of 10,5 billion rubles, RT-Capital will under no circumstances sell the plant even for 9 billion. And even if he sells, he will have nothing (almost) on this, because even if you sell the enterprise, you must first pay off current debts, which, as I was told, are almost three billion. And do not forget about other creditors, they also want to repay their debts.

Usually, the money received in the process of selling the assets of a bankrupt enterprise is divided among creditors proportionally. If so, Rostec is unlikely to receive more than 3-3,5 billion rubles.

And now it’s completely incomprehensible: they want to sell a plant that works (moreover, on the state defense order), worth 9 billion, it’s not clear to whom, in order to get three billion. And this despite the fact that the debt to Rostec is three times more, 10,5 billion.

The philistine brain somehow refuses to understand why more than 12 billion rubles will be thrown to the wind, and the prospect of dividing 5-6 billion into 17 creditors does not look reasonable either. Everyone will be at a loss.

I understand if we were talking about a factory that produced medical masks. Until the next pandemic, there will be no such massive interest in them. It is possible to close, re-profile, reduce production volumes in order to save jobs.

But in our case, the opposite is true: the plant is suffocating from the need to work more productively, people are needed, equipment is needed. I need products, and who will object to me that they are needed, like air?


But no, our behind-the-scenes games with bankruptcy continue. And this despite the fact that it is possible and necessary to bankrupt enterprises that produce something disgusting in quality and content, not in demand in a normal way. Like boots from Doninvest.

Our products are in demand, but no one is going to stop the bankruptcy procedure. Indeed, to whom is war ... After all, what is bankruptcy? This is a shutdown of the enterprise, the sale of property, the payment of wage arrears to staff, the payment of some part of accounts payable. You know, twice in my life I got into this with medical factories. Sale of premises and land to a new owner. So instead of a plant for the production of droppers, warehouses appeared, for example.

But here, let me remind you, the enterprise is on the list of strategic ones. Since 2009. And no one took him out.

Nevertheless, the process is underway, although there are forces. Who are trying to slow him down.

And in such a situation, the 14 billion that will be given by the state to support the Motovilikha Plants can simply be taken away by creditors, as I understand it. And here everything will suit everyone, because there is clearly enough money for everyone.

But what about the state order for equipment?


No way. As the plant worked, it will continue to work, on a half-life. Considering that it is managed by a certain Bersenev Andrey Alexandrovich, the bankruptcy trustee.

I have nothing against Andrei Anatolyevich, perhaps he is just a brilliant manager, but such a fact from his biography makes me think about the bad: Bersenev simultaneously manages several more enterprises, among which, in addition to PJSC Motovilikhinskiye Zavody (since 2022), there is also OAO "Bogorodsk Mechanical Plant" near Nizhny Novgorod and ... 172nd CARZ in Voronezh! Yes, yes, the same plant from the “List of Twelve”, which seems to have been defended so far.

A manager who is able to manage three (actually more, but the data is closed) plants located on an arc of one and a half thousand kilometers is probably an outstanding person. In general, such people should be used otherwise than to sell the property of bankrupts.

As I understood from my conversations with the factory workers, Rostec is not interested in the factory at all, as such. "Toxic asset". And we will not say anything here about the need for "MZ" for the army, "Rostec" - Rostec, and the army - the Ministry of Defense. Different departments, anyway. And if not everything is perfect in our army, then what can we say about those for whom profit is more important than patriotism and all other absurdities.

The situation is strange: the plant is included by the state/authority in the list of strategic enterprises. It was introduced by the President by his decree. The plant is half owned by the state corporation. In general, it would be better if the controlling stake in general belonged to the state.

But then there is cognitive dissonance. The state corporation is doing its best to get rid of the working plant and sell it under the hammer to at least someone, at least for a little.


I will not specifically (for now) focus your attention on how and by whom the MZ bankruptcy procedure was started, there is still a detective there, it is necessary to clarify certain points, but the story is worthy of a separate story, by the way. How a plant that cost about 2018 billion in 10 began to go bankrupt due to a debt of ... 30 million! Rubles! Not dollars!

Nothing personal, but it's true. And at the same time - the cruel Russian reality. Business and market.

But if (well, all of a sudden) we lived in a great country, whose authorities care about the prosperity of the country and the power of the army, an army equipped with equipment that is not removed from storage warehouses aged 60 years and older, but the latest, this one, which does not have ...

Do I have the right to dream?


And if there were people in the leadership of the same Rostec who were deeply and sincerely concerned for Russian security, they would begin to act completely differently.

As the factory workers told me, Motovilikha Plants has a group of private founders. It is very difficult to say how important they are to the plant, but here, I think, it would be worth considering buying out part (and what part, everything must be taken away) from private owners in favor of the state.

And a completely different picture emerges: PJSC Motovilikha Plants begins to belong to the state, moreover, the stake figure can range from 80 to 100%. Full control not even over the enterprise - over a whole complex of enterprises, moreover, working for the defense industry! Well, what could be better?

14 billion rubles will not go somewhere far away and dissolve in it, but will really serve the cause of renovation of the plant that works for the army.

Today, when the factories are actually managed (or pretend to be managed) by one person, the bankruptcy trustee Bersenev, who simultaneously bankrupts the enterprises in Voronezh and Nizhny Novgorod. How he does it? No way, that's understandable. He does not know how to do this at all and was sent to the plant with a completely different mission - to take everything into account and sell it.

Yes, there are executive directors in the subsidiaries, SKB CJSC and MGM LLC, who are working on the state defense order, but these directors ... have been appointed bankruptcy trustees!

If this is not insanity, then I don’t know what to call it at all. There are no more words. Crisis managers (God, auctioneers-disposers) run defense enterprises. Well, in what other country can you see it?

And other tools to influence the situation, alas, are absent. On legal grounds, by the way. And don’t think that I’m “rolling a barrel” against Mr. Bersenev, no. Most likely, the Perm Arbitration Court appointed him by his decision, so in terms of legality, everything is definitely in full openwork there.

But the bankruptcy manager is good at the plant, which has worked out its own. The plant that works on the state defense order and the bankruptcy trustee are as compatible as water and oil. A completely different staff should work at the plant, from the director / board of directors to the shareholders' meeting, which is simply obliged to control the managers normally.

Today, Motovilikha is still (according to the reports) coping with the increased volume of work, but what will happen next is a question for three question marks.


Factories need to be saved. The controlling stake in the maximum amount should be with the state. Tax and credit amnesties are mandatory. In general, it looks stupider, a plant owned by the state has debts to the state and therefore the state squanders it and sells it cheaply.

No, that's not how it's supposed to be. It's just that the managers of Rostec clearly do not understand the depth of the situation and therefore work, not as they should, but as they can. Like Sharikov in “Heart of a Dog”: “What is there to think about! Take away and share!

There is an exit


Buying shares of factories by the state. Settlement agreements with creditors, exit from bankruptcy proceedings. No problem, the state plant basically owes the state, who sees the problem? An agreement with other creditors on a deferral (where will they go if the state / Rostec has a controlling stake?). And only then the introduction of 14 billion renovation money. Improving the material base of factories and work, work.

By the way, it’s quite a normal plan that will actually bring equipment to the army, and profit to the founders. But for this it is necessary to stop playing economic games with bankruptcies and sales and save Motovilikha from “effective management”.

Strategically important enterprises should be under the full control of the state. This, by the way, is the case with almost all of our opponents. And that's okay. And we have to be like this and nothing else.

Of course, if we do not want to continue to fight with the Soviet D-20s, released in the 50s of the last century or tanks T-55.
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  1. +72
    29 October 2022 05: 55
    A sad story, in my opinion - all factories and factories that produce weapons should be owned by the state, all cases of bankruptcy of the Motovilikhinsky plant should be handled by the FSB and the military prosecutor's office.
    1. +43
      29 October 2022 06: 10
      I'm sure they are already doing it ... because you need to participate in cutting 14 billion (
      1. +21
        29 October 2022 07: 53
        Quote from oberstz
        I’m sure they are already doing it ... because you need to participate in cutting 14 billion

        Chubaisyatin - "on horseback".
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          1. +25
            29 October 2022 10: 05
            Enemies of the people deliberately weaken our country, and the guarantor of security is silent, like a fish in the sand? How can this be? This entire gang of merchants should be shot, and all the factories have long been nationalized. What is going on with us? There are no words, one mat and gnashing of teeth.
            1. +14
              29 October 2022 10: 16
              That absolutely everyone, without any exceptions, belongs to a gang of merchants.
              1. +14
                29 October 2022 17: 40
                Quote: aars
                absolutely everyone, without any exceptions, belongs to a trading gang.

                Zagidullov, acting together with others, inflicted damage to OJSC more than 1,268 billion rubles. by issuing loans to a number of legal entities that were not subsequently repaid. A criminal case was initiated, which, however, was closed. “due to the lack of corpus delicti in the actions of the defendants” in November 2014.

                1. +11
                  30 October 2022 00: 16
                  Your insert with Antibiotic fully reflects the situation over the past 40 years! Thank you for the courage to voice and show it here! good hi
            2. +15
              29 October 2022 12: 36
              You darling look at what is left of the USSR. An abandoned factory in Sterlitamak that produced self-propelled guns "Msta-S"!

              https://dzen.ru/media/mytravelbook/ostalos-ot-sssr-zabroshennyi-zavod-v-sterlitamake-kotoryi-vypuskal-sau-mstas-5de7b61a3642b600afe539ca

              Tears well up in my eyes sad such a plant would now be, by the way, capable of producing 300 self-propelled guns a year. 2S19M
            3. +21
              29 October 2022 12: 50
              Quote: Taimen
              they deliberately weaken our country, and the guarantor of security is silent, like a fish in the sand? How can this be?

              What makes you think that like a fish in the sand? He even declared very loudly throughout the country - "there will be no revision of privatization!"
              T. E, everything will be the same and nothing will change
            4. +2
              30 October 2022 19: 24
              It is possible that one of these so-called shareholders may well work out Western interests, that, didn’t our special services consider such an option, it’s a very real scenario, we now have so many corrupt skins that it’s hard to even imagine, it’s a shame for Russia, it’s more important for corrupt cattle their selfish pocket interests than state interests.
          2. +6
            29 October 2022 13: 17
            Quote from sopot
            Alas, until Putin leaves, this sale of the country and the interests of its people in all areas will continue ...
            Hoping for something else, while maintaining power by the current ideological impotent, is simply criminal.

            Do you seriously think that a real patriot will come instead of Putin? Where can he come from? But the fact that the Chubais & Co will return is a 99% probability.
            1. +6
              29 October 2022 17: 31
              There are many real patriots, but who will miss them.
            2. +16
              29 October 2022 17: 41
              In any case, GDP is not eternal. We are talking about the collective Putin. By itself, his departure is not a guarantee of the country's further prosperity - indeed, the oligarchs, "Western partners" of GDP can take advantage of the situation - note that Putin never mentioned the Russian people as a PARTNER, Russians of all nationalities in his paradigm are just a means to enrich Caudles close to him - and other bastards. Another recent, sour, "about nothing" speech by VVP in Valdai, which, moreover, had a conciliatory tone for the West, suggests that he is not going to change anything inside the country. The war, slyly called by him "SVO" for GDP, is just an invitation to "partners" to negotiations, so that AFTER they continue to plunder the country. There was no talk of recreating the Russian world or the USSR in his words. Thus, the departure of the GDP is a necessary condition for changes, the need for which reality and even the media, quite loyal to the Kremlin, screams. Only after that, the country will come to a fork, from where the path will start. There are, conditionally, two options: globalist oligarchs and red statesmen. In the meantime, for Vladimir Vladimirovich, everything is going according to the dull and bloody scenario of the First World War.
              Putin, in 2024, can still play tricks with another attempt to put some kind of doll on the throne like the foolish Dimon or some Archibald Archibaldovich from the FSO and is guaranteed to receive a social explosion or coup. Nonsense, you say? But how is the situation with the sense of reality of the GDP, judging by the course of the so-called "SVO", we have already seen ...
              PS I am not a supporter of Navalny, rather, on the contrary, and I am sorry that the ideological enemy is largely right in his assessments of what is happening.
              1. +6
                29 October 2022 23: 32
                It cannot be otherwise in a country of peripheral capitalism. No, it could get worse
            3. +4
              30 October 2022 20: 28
              But the fact that the Chubais & Co will return is a 99% probability.

              Pu and Chu were and remain friends from the same company ....
          3. +9
            29 October 2022 13: 56
            Alas, until Putin leaves, this sale of the country and the interests of its people in all areas will continue ...

            They made me laugh. Well, he will leave ... Well, they will put up another screen. What will change ?
            1. +13
              29 October 2022 20: 40
              First of all, I want to thank the author for an excellent article and for real courage and patriotism. Writing such articles about the criminal Chemezov and his gang at a time when other journalists were arrested for this is a real feat!
              They made me laugh. Well, he will leave ... Well, they will put up another screen. What will change ?

              Putin is already the past, at least he has already done everything for this and the people have already eaten their fill of his stupid and criminal actions over the 22 years of his reign. Mobilization is the last point of no return and it is these people and the military who will obviously play the most decisive role in the end of the leadership of the country by this gang.
              The NWO has thrown out what our people are in essence, and it can no longer be put back and put out, we have changed irrevocably, but Putin and his gang are the shackles of our people, this is a brake on the impeding impulse and the desire of our people to move forward. The leaders of this movement are being formed and there are many of them and they are among us.
              The most important thing in the future leader, in my opinion, is what should distinguish him from liberals, namely the unconditional support of the NWO and personal participation in the NWO, the hatred of Ukrainians for him and adherence to socialist views. Among the possible leaders are, for example, Aksyonov and Strelkov, although they are for the monarchy. There are other lesser-known people as well.
            2. +13
              29 October 2022 22: 45
              Quote: dauria
              Well, he will leave ... Well, they will put up another screen.
              Yeltsin, having dropped his rating "below the plinth", gave way to his successor, who, against the background of Yeltsin, seemed cool and enterprising. Only "wet in the toilets" of the enemies of Russia was better in words. So it was with the protection of the Russians in the Donbass (let them just try), they waited for something for 8 years, and prepared so "well", calculated the risks that they blew 300 billion and did not understand what out of the SVO.

              It is not our king who rules the country, here it is the bitter truth. Indeed, the guarantor will leave, having found another successor, nothing will change, under our capitalism and our oligarchs, who were prevented from immediately surrendering the country by the great Soviet legacy. Here, and optimize, destroy. Motovilikha is not alone here, and everything from the "heroes" is like water from geese. Here, Rostec Popov was sent from this, he was on STAR, then on Perm Motors, then again on STAR. So it will ruin the enterprise, and there are many of them in the country, with a reliable "roof".
              What will change? Something will certainly change, either there will be an end to the oligarchs, or the end of Russia, as yet a great country.
          4. -8
            30 October 2022 01: 36
            Quote from sopot
            Alas, until Putin leaves

            Should Putin go?
            For a long time, VO has become the patrimony of liberda?
            1. +8
              30 October 2022 08: 03
              For a long time, VO has become the patrimony of liberda?

              Liberda is our government, and for the last 22 years, Chubais was not pushed into leadership positions by Yeltsin. If you support him, then you are also one of their group.

              Putin had a chance to change everything, to carry out a deoligirhalization of the country, to get rid of the liberals with whom he surrounded himself like Nabiulina and from criminals like the Chemezov gang, from stupid people like Shoigu. But he does nothing, and more than that, he is going to be friends with the West, which right now is supplying ammunition and weapons that kill our boys. Or do you also want to be friends with the West?
        2. +9
          29 October 2022 23: 55
          Here is the key phrase of the entire article: """The state should have the controlling stake to the maximum extent. Tax and credit amnesties are obligatory. In general, it looks stupider, the plant owned by the state has debts to the state and therefore the state squanders it and sells it cheaply. "" It is worth considering whether citizens are needed by the state!
          1. 0
            30 October 2022 00: 28
            I also remembered the series "Matchmakers": Stepanych-wife: he made a gymnast out of me! Wife: how is it? belay Stepanych: -I kissed myself in the ass ....) I think everyone understands the meaning, the quote is close to the series, don't swear!)
      2. +2
        29 October 2022 08: 49
        Oddly enough, but you are right. One thing can reassure - the Americans (s) will be the first to send all this riff-raff to the crematria.
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      4. +5
        29 October 2022 17: 59
        I also have a number of questions for our government, I don't like much about its actions, I think that some officials have long had to work off their sins in places "not so remote."
        1. +3
          29 October 2022 20: 01
          Quote: tatarin1972
          I also have a number of questions for our government, I don't like much about its actions, I think that some officials have long had to work off their sins in places "not so remote."

          I’m afraid, but most likely, it’s not they who will leave, ...
    2. +28
      29 October 2022 06: 19
      And not only. Oil, gas, electricity, railway - should be in the hands of the state. But how then to live oligarchs? And what happens is what happens.
      1. +18
        29 October 2022 07: 54
        And the corrupt and deceitful bureaucracy, and the mediocre parade-parquet generals, hung with orders and medals, it is not known why and how the cherry on the cake is thieves and outright traitors, ALL Russian oligarchs - what to do with them? Carrying out NWO is a clear illustration of the real situation in the country! If the leadership of Russia continues to be guided by "Western liberal values", then in the end Russia will suffer a crushing defeat! In a war, it is necessary to kill the enemy at the beginning, and only then think that maybe it was necessary to take prisoner. For 9 months of this "war", one gets the impression that the main task is to kill as few enemies as possible and not bomb critical infrastructure facilities (partially owned by Russian oligarchs)! Just like the old saying - "lords quarrel, and serfs crack their forelocks"!
      2. +10
        29 October 2022 07: 56
        Quote: Lykases1
        But how then to live oligarchs? And what happens is what happens.

        Don't you think that until the people start shooting the thieves' godfather and their relatives, we will soon celebrate a memorial service, in Russia?
        1. +5
          29 October 2022 09: 27
          It seems like a lot to me. But I know one thing - I don't want a civil war in Russia. And you can come to this. So it turns out - the authorities do not want to change, they cannot be replaced with good, but not with good - it can end badly. And I can't even imagine where we're going, and where we'll get
          1. +10
            29 October 2022 13: 41
            what is there to represent. if the government is inadequate and does not begin to cleanse itself of parasites (apparently it is difficult to cleanse itself 100%), then there are only two ways out - the government will die from an external enemy along with the country, or it will die as a result of a riot in the wake of a popular attempt to save itself and the country. and then again two options - the rebellion is carried out under the control of external enemies or some internal forces not controlled by these enemies. In general, you can look at 1917 and see what is happening. the situation is very similar.
            1. +6
              29 October 2022 15: 32
              You reminded me of a scene from a movie. Husband scares his wife - I'll kill myself first, and then you. Then he thought - what is it getting, I'm confused. This is what is happening in the country. The power was set by the oligarchs for themselves, and it will be for them as long as they manage it. First they killed the USSR. Now they are finishing off Russia. Where do they go after that? Of course, you need to be on good terms with the West and with the West. They do not want to know the people and the country and their money in the West is not in rubles. The oligarchs cannot fight against those who are of the same blood.
              1. +8
                29 October 2022 20: 45
                they would have sold us to the West, but the West came to take everything on its own, believing that everything itself was rotten enough for this. and they don't need a violinist anymore. This is such a problem for the Bad Boys, they would be happy to sell everything that is left in the country for a barrel of jam to their native Western bourgeois. Yes, the bourgeoisie do not give jam, but they promise to stick sharpening in the side. But the spirit does not allow putting on a Budenovka and repainting as Malchish-Kibalchish, or rather its absence. Difficult, you know, the situation for worms is developing.
          2. +1
            30 October 2022 11: 02
            Quote: Lykases1
            But I know one thing - I don't want a civil war in Russia.

            For the "Civil War", behind the thieves' godfather (oligarchy), there is no real force, except for personal protection, and even that works, for good money, no more. Bureaucrats, basically, are tied up on the same rope. The oligarchy is the brain of a thieves' octopus, the engine of all the abominations of the bourgeoisie.
      3. +5
        29 October 2022 20: 03
        And not only. Oil, gas, electricity, railway - should be in the hands of the state.

        In the hands of the state - this means, if you look at things realistically, and not through the prism of slogans, at the disposal of officials. You say they should be under the control of the people, society? In reality, again, this means - under the control of special services and other "competent" bodies. And now isn't that the case? Classical oligarchs - that is, entrepreneurs who actively influence politics, we have a dying species. The main characters rather represent the opposite situation - officials who laid their hands on entire sectors of the economy, squeezing out someone else's business. It is to them that you propose to give away what is still not at their disposal. And what is the gesheft for the Russian people?
        1. -2
          29 October 2022 20: 33
          What does the leadership of the people and society have to do with it? The people and society do not lead anywhere and nothing. The one whom the people, as it were, has chosen, is in charge. This is a fundamental difference. I meant something else. So that the military units do not turn off the electricity, as in the 90s, so that the army and the population have affordable fuel, and not negotiate with anyone about its price. Well, in this case, so that private traders do not ruin efficient enterprises. As Delyagin says, and I believe that he is right, one of our troubles is the arbitrariness of monopolies. If tomorrow the oilmen raise the price twice - how far do you think the tanks will go? And this shouldn't be the case. All critical industries should be in the hands of the state. And at the expense of some not such officials - who is to blame that Solntseliky scored such?
      4. +3
        29 October 2022 23: 37
        In fact, if these industries are owned by the state and there are oligarchs, then they will still be able to milk. In Ukraine, there are a lot of state-owned enterprises that are plastered with gaskets to throw off debts to the state and write out profits to the oligarchs. Odessa Portside Worked at a loss in 2020-21 with cheap gas and expensive fertilizers, as it concluded an extremely unfavorable contract for itself.
    3. +27
      29 October 2022 07: 10
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Sad story

      A sad story and a scheme are described, according to which hundreds of city-forming factories were closed. And this is under our dear president. Urya-patriots don't talk about it for some reason.

      . That is, the withdrawn billion is not a crime.

      . the plant, which cost about 2018 billion in 10, began to go bankrupt due to a debt of ... 30 million!

      Sleight of hand and no cheating. Everything is legal - to the pleasure of the capitalist gentlemen. The system of barbaric enrichment works just like that. Upstairs look through your fingers
      and agree - traditionally there will be no revision of the results of disgrace. Why rock the boat?
    4. +14
      29 October 2022 09: 51
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Sad story,

      Such stories on the territory of the former USSR are a wagon and a small cart. So my factory, born in 1873, ceased to exist in 2014. Equipment - for scrap, workshops - for bricks. Fortunately, a noble brick, not like the current one. Nothing personal, just business.
      That's interesting - all over the world, business is for the production of something, and only here for the destruction of production.
      1. -5
        29 October 2022 14: 25
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        That's interesting - all over the world business is for the production of something, and only here for the destruction of production

        Would you like to visit Detroit?
        1. +5
          29 October 2022 15: 36
          Is Detroit all of America? Like the whole of Russia.
          1. -4
            29 October 2022 16: 59
            And that Motovilikha is the whole of Russia?
            1. 0
              30 October 2022 13: 13
              Where else in America they do what they do in Russia?
    5. +4
      29 October 2022 10: 40
      In the FSB and the prosecutor's office, people are not from another planet, but the same parts of the capitalist system in a semi-colony.
    6. TIR
      +4
      29 October 2022 16: 17
      The FSB and the procurator cannot deal with economic matters. And everyone knows why. And it has already become an axiom that Rostec is a black hole for money laundering and a factory for the destruction of Russian industry. This structure only knows how to raise money for its chosen ones
    7. -1
      30 October 2022 03: 52
      The vast majority of state-owned enterprises are a haven and a feeding ground for opportunists and idlers. In Soviet times, billions were spent on them, and the result was a very dubious result.
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  2. +16
    29 October 2022 06: 02
    This is a topic for the Prosecutor General, the FSB and personally for the GDP .... but how do they find out about it ..... And in Rostec 5, the column is very firmly established. It does not fit in my head how people in such positions hate their country and try in every way, often unsuccessfully, to destroy everything that they did not create. The defense industry should be 100% owned by the state and no CJSC, PJSC, LLC, etc. But that's probably unrealistic...
    1. +7
      29 October 2022 07: 21
      how do they know about it
      It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
      "We have a good tsar, but the boyars are bad"
      Oh, uh uh...
      They know more than where better than us.
      1. +1
        29 October 2022 13: 26
        Quote: aars
        It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
        "We have a good tsar, but the boyars are bad"
        Oh, uh uh...
        They know more than where better than us.

        The king is made by the retinue - anyone. No matter how powerful the king is, he always depends on his retinue, on her actions, makes decisions based on the information that she supplies, he has no other sources, he cannot physically embrace everything, even God cannot defeat the devil. If the tsar screwed up in the selection of the closest employees, then it will always suck, no matter how wonderful he is.
    2. +8
      29 October 2022 07: 29
      Quote from Voronezh
      This is a topic for the Prosecutor General, the FSB and personally for the GDP .... only how do they know about it.....

      No way. They live on another planet.
    3. -4
      29 October 2022 08: 23
      And what does Rostec have to do with it. It's a joint stock company. Our defense industry was corporatized. Rostec has arrived. Bankrupt the plant. Cut off all shareholders. Now a branch of Uralvagonzavod. Plans grow every year and salaries accordingly. Create new jobs
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    4. +8
      29 October 2022 08: 50
      This is a topic for the Prosecutor General, the FSB and personally for the GDP

      No. This is a theme for all of us. Finally, to think - do we live in the right society? Are the right values ​​being imposed on us? Are the right people ruling us for so many years?
      And - finally, to draw the right conclusions ..
      1. +11
        29 October 2022 09: 37
        And what should it look like? In presidential elections, everyone unanimously votes against the pro-government candidate, and he, by a curious method, wins by an overwhelming majority. AND? Nobody will ever give up power. So it's all hazy.
        1. 0
          29 October 2022 10: 02
          And what did it look like in 1917? what

          The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
          1. +5
            29 October 2022 11: 32
            In 17, Russia lost vast territories, there was a civil war, intervention. The state has practically ceased to exist. The Bolsheviks gathered back what they could and gradually a new state was created. This is if, in short. Do you want such a fate for Russia? So at that time there were, I'm not afraid of this word, Titans. This is Lenin, Stalin. You can talk about them both badly and well, but they are great people. Ascetics who built a great state. They didn't need anything for themselves. I read somewhere that the People's Commissar of Food was losing consciousness from hunger. Do such people exist now?
            1. +6
              29 October 2022 11: 38
              There is. I assure you that not everyone considers loot to be the main value of their existence.
              1. 0
                29 October 2022 11: 46
                God bless you to be right. Simply, quite often, only the scenery changes, and ordinary people get only bumps.
                1. +2
                  29 October 2022 11: 54
                  And there is. And in order to avoid this - join the Communist Party, clean up the traitors to the workers' cause, and - do what you need. If not us, then who?
                  1. +10
                    29 October 2022 12: 29
                    And this is where I disagree. The Communist Party, in my opinion, is a pocket opposition. Plus the tricks of the party leadership - the same Rashkin. I won't argue, local deputies, in most cases, work and try to do something. In the Duma, they are simply shaking for their place. Even when voting to impeach Yeltsin, the party did not vote 100℅. I will not forget this shame. Only the name remained of the party. It's my opinion. Their time is gone and they will never achieve their former popularity.
                    1. +1
                      29 October 2022 14: 09
                      Did I say that the Communist Party is the Communist Party??? belay
                      1. +2
                        29 October 2022 14: 17
                        Explain, if not difficult. What other communist party do we have?
                      2. 0
                        29 October 2022 14: 30
                        Yes, enough. RKRP for example and others like it. Of course, they are all small, but remember - how many Bolsheviks were at the beginning of 1917? So - everything depends only on us.
                    2. -1
                      29 October 2022 14: 49
                      It’s interesting how they try locally, like in the Irkutsk region under Levchenko? The inhabitants of Tulun can tell a lot about this, or how are we on the Middle Volga where scandal after scandal goes?
              2. -1
                29 October 2022 14: 29
                Name at least a couple ... otherwise it’s somehow unconvincing.
                1. 0
                  29 October 2022 14: 41
                  I shoveled the website of RT capital, not a word about the sale or sold, which I doubt. The media would have known. Rather, they were removed from the auction. In Tomsk, RT capital has only two non-residential buildings for sale. Let's look further, we need MLRS now. But the general view from the side is of course depressing. As for the prices, I didn’t find anything. hi
                  1. -2
                    29 October 2022 14: 45
                    Thanks for the smart approach. This is unfortunately a rarity here.
                    1. +1
                      29 October 2022 16: 05
                      A couple of times already burned, according to one information.
                      1. -2
                        29 October 2022 17: 01
                        We often like to go to extremes; either everything is fine with us or everything is bad with us ... and so it is in everything. And this is sad.
            2. +2
              29 October 2022 13: 48
              Well, apparently, a situation on the verge of life and death of the country and people was needed in order for these forces to manifest themselves among the people. Hard life breeds ascetics and heroes, and greed breeds parasites. Apparently, this is how the social organism is cleansed of parasites, through a deadly catastrophe. Either it will be cleansed or it will die, in nature everything is quite simply and cruelly decided. Those who are not ready to fight for life are not worthy of it. From time to time life conducts this test both for individuals and for entire nations.
            3. 0
              30 October 2022 18: 08
              There is. Only a pack does not allow them to control.
    5. +3
      29 October 2022 13: 45
      how do people in these positions hate their country

      this is our own country for you and me, but for them it is "this country". they earn money here, but they plan to live "in civilization", there are children, real estate and citizenship often. worms as they are.
  3. +20
    29 October 2022 06: 02
    Time has shown that Russian "effective managers" have mastered the science of withdrawing capital and migration towards Western Europe to perfection.
    The example of Chubais with nine billion damage (only according to Rusnano) is vivid and unforgettable ...
    1. +3
      29 October 2022 11: 32
      This happens only because all "effective managers" have diplomas from foreign universities or courses, and there "they won't teach you bad things", and, probably, they are properly and adequately fed.
  4. +14
    29 October 2022 06: 10
    There are not even words to comment on this, it’s not even sabotage, but betrayal, moreover, on the part of the state corporation in relation to a strategic enterprise, and even in such a difficult time for our country.
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    2. +9
      29 October 2022 08: 27
      Quote: Ru_Na
      There are not even words to comment on this, it’s not even sabotage, but betrayal, moreover, on the part of the state corporation in relation to a strategic enterprise, and even in such a difficult time for our country.

      This is not an easy time for our country. started in 1991 and still hasn't ended. In the times of Putin's stability, this was not so noticeable against the backdrop of the dashing 90s. Until the sanctions started. And the graters of the capitalists of the West with domestic ones.

      Obviously, in order to become different - better, you need to change the vicious system. But a signal was given from above that the country had already exhausted its limit for scrapping the system.
      1. +8
        29 October 2022 08: 52
        But a signal was given from above that the country had already exhausted its limit for scrapping the system.

        You might think that when the patience of the people bursts, someone will ask their opinion from above ..
    3. +14
      29 October 2022 08: 54
      This state corporation has left the country without its own cars. Doesn't talk about anything?
  5. +21
    29 October 2022 06: 19
    We do not have a market, there is its filthy imitation. In the country, during the war, defense industry enterprises, repair plants, and much more go bankrupt. There should be a special list of strategic enterprises that are not subject to such an act of liquidation as bankruptcy and optimization. But, those who are at the head of the country have loot on their minds, they don’t care about the defense capability and security of Russia, which is why our regions are shelled with impunity.
    1. +11
      29 October 2022 07: 12
      So the commander-in-chief does not travel with checks on state enterprises. And we have a vertical of power. They reported that all hockey, Ukraine with one left will fill up. How impatient to get NZ from the bins of the motherland, and there everything rotted, dismantled.
      I really want all the people as one to sing the praises day and night of our power, but not a damn thing did not work. Everyone walks, performs and praises, praises, licks. But they don't work. And in a month to ask why you are scolding us, but now we ALL praise you as one.
      1. +8
        29 October 2022 07: 15
        I really want all the people as one to sing the praises day and night of our power, but not a damn thing did not work. Everyone walks, performs and praises, praises, licks.
        Your wish has already been fulfilled.
        There are crowds around.
  6. +12
    29 October 2022 06: 22
    Good article, objective. Unfortunately, the years of privatization hit the defense industry very painfully, and it is not easy to rectify the situation. How can one not recall the unified management of the supply of weapons during the Second World War, under the leadership of Ustinov, the State Defense Committee was created. Only state-owned defense plants provided with material and human resources are able to win the war, and not the current private-capitalist discord. A lot of weapons are supplied to the troops of the NMD from storage depots, where proper maintenance has not been provided, they have to be finished and repaired on the line, as always there are no guilty ones.
  7. +17
    29 October 2022 06: 27
    "State Duma Defense Committee"
    "State Duma Committee on Industry and Trade"
    "Commission of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation for the consideration of federal budget expenditures aimed at ensuring national defense, national security and law enforcement"
    "Commission of the State Duma on legal support for the development of organizations of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation"
    "Counting Commission of the State Duma"

    So where are all these people? What are they doing? This is their question, they all receive a hefty salary ....
  8. 0
    29 October 2022 06: 28
    You look, you see how for Ukraine, which has always been the territory of Russia, but thanks to some spectacular managers it has become a separate state and now anti-Russia, and you understand that something is wrong somewhere here. The question now is, will we not have to wage another war now inside the country with the "Russian", as the Ukrainians say, the Rostec corporation, and is it Russian in general ?, Or maybe the documents are somewhere in Switzerland.
  9. +22
    29 October 2022 06: 39
    And Omsktransmash, a tank plant that produced several dozen tanks a month, is almost completely ruined and is not able to produce a single tank from scratch. Only repairs and upgrades. This is a disgrace to the country. Who should be responsible for this?
    1. +1
      29 October 2022 08: 57
      Is omsktransmash everything?! Actually a corpse?
  10. +17
    29 October 2022 06: 43
    I think the author of the article should be afraid for his future. Ksyusha, according to the press, tried to run into the head of Rostec. She has now run away, well, God bless her. But Roman Skomorokhov probably does not have an Israeli passport. The article once again confirms the words of Stanislav Govorukhin that a "great criminal revolution" took place in the country. The country is ruled by groups that have only personal selfish interests. The situation can only be corrected by the "reincarnation of I.V. Stalin", but this is from the category of fantasy. It's all sad.
    1. +6
      29 October 2022 08: 28
      Quote: 2112vda
      The situation can be corrected only by the "reincarnation of I.V. Stalin",

      The situation at all times was revealed and, as a rule, corrected by a dashing hour. It is impossible to lie endlessly, or, as people say, how much the rope does not twist ...
      What did the SVO show? First of all, the selfish interests of our oligarchs, for whom the lives of our soldiers and civilians are nothing, in front of their thirst for profit, were lit up.

      Also, it seems that of everything that could be done wrong and stupid, everything is done that way. What came out of the preventive strike was not the disarming of the enemy, but a show, with the smearing of the force of impact, the ineffective consumption of the supply of high-precision missiles. The size of the group and belated partial mobilization ... This is despite the fact that Pan Zelensky already has total mobilization, plus an army of mercenaries. So we will put parts of the men? As in "The Tale of the Golden Cockerel".
      The cockerel is screaming again
      The king calls the third army
      And leads her to the east, -
      Himself not knowing whether to be of use

      But, only, will one of the "kings" lead the remaining pensioners himself or will he immediately decide to surrender to the Western "Shamakhani queen" of world capitalism?
      It is already obvious that with corrupt oligarchs and dependent capitalism we cannot defeat this very collective West, we need to mobilize all forces, and this is a planned economy and people's power.
    2. +6
      29 October 2022 08: 56
      The situation can only be corrected by the "reincarnation of I.V. Stalin", but this is from the category of fantasy.

      They say that once Faust asked Mephistopheles - who is the greatest commander of all time?
      He led him to the window and pointed to a beggar shoemaker on the corner. Here it is. Only he knows nothing about it.

      This I mean that the main thing is the revolutionary situation and the activity of the masses .. And Comrade Stalin - there is. Tough times always produce great people.
    3. 0
      29 October 2022 09: 31
      What conclusions can be drawn about our future, in which direction is the country heading (read how to be a people)?
  11. G17
    +10
    29 October 2022 06: 47
    We are witnessing the open work of the "Fifth Column" and the general degradation of the political system, which, even under conditions of war, is not capable of solving the problem of a strategically important enterprise. We are at war with NATO, and in the rear we have traitors, traders and "effective managers" who have long considered the Russian military-industrial complex as a burden that needs to be bankrupted, sold off or corporatized in order to obtain maximum profit in the shortest possible time. This filthy swamp needs to be cleaned up. And looking at what is happening, you understand more than ever that without 1937, we would not have had the victorious 1945. And it’s not about the saving magic of repression (as liberals or uneducated idiots think), but about cleaning the “tops” and “bottoms” of the country from enemies, traitors, corrupt officials, creating a Personal Responsibility System, conducting industrialization, following the ideology of development and creation of the country. We don't see any of this. So we will hear more than once about the problem of the Motovilikha Plants, and about the problem of the 2023 budget, where defense and social spending have been cut, and $300 billion in gold and foreign exchange reserves donated to the enemy, and much more.
    1. +7
      29 October 2022 07: 01
      general degradation of the political system
      Our system, even without "degradation", solved something to a limited extent - it is not viable in nature and exists only as long as there are external injections, a pipe.
      I do not agree about degradation - it used to be almost the same.
      When was the episode with the billion?
      In 2013, even before the Crimea!
  12. +6
    29 October 2022 06: 57
    It turns out not everywhere, there are simply not enough workers and there is really nowhere to take them.
    This is complete bullshit and nonsense!
    Raise your salaries!
    Do not engage in demagoguery, but simply add to the workers!
    And people will show up.
    1. 0
      29 October 2022 07: 23
      But is knowledge and skills in "paper"?
      1. +3
        29 October 2022 07: 32
        Sorry, I didn't quite understand you...
        My thought is this: now we are in a crisis period and it is permissible to transfer the available personnel to the defense industry.
        This can be done as administratively, but few people like to work under duress.
        Or through a salary increase.
        1. 0
          29 October 2022 12: 14
          In addition to the salary increase, you can be exempt from mandatory requisitions in the Pension Fund - now the salary increase is almost doubled.
      2. +5
        29 October 2022 07: 48
        The desire to have knowledge and skill must be stimulated, then those willing and able will appear themselves.
        1. +9
          29 October 2022 07: 58
          I agree with you.
          But there is one small BUT, which all our Wishlist, even covered with gold to the very ears, will not let us realize. We have a generation gap in our country. Yes, in most cases, with grief for the sexes, we are solving anew long-resolved technological issues. But not everywhere. Here, at VO, information slipped that a unique alloy was made at the disappeared SiM plant in Moscow. He needed a little. But without it, the "stone flower" is not obtained. And the same can be said about ZIL.
          Therefore, of course, it is necessary by any non-violent methods to interest the new generation in the places of work required for the country.
    2. 0
      29 October 2022 09: 06
      At Motovilikha, there was always a shortage of workers. In the mid-80s, the GRAU even sent hundreds of art master cadets there for an internship a year.
    3. +2
      29 October 2022 13: 59
      it is forbidden. it is necessary to invest in reliable financial instruments of Western partners. so that partners can then confiscate them at the touch of a button.
  13. +7
    29 October 2022 07: 01
    As one very literate person said after Putin's speech at the Valdai Forum.
    - The head of state on TV refused to nationalize strategically important enterprises. Who are his advisors? Who rules the country? What is going on?
    1. +5
      29 October 2022 07: 40
      Quote: Old Sergeant
      Who are his advisors? Who rules the country? What is going on?

      This is how revolutions happen! Is history repeating itself? 1917 is not a dream? At this point, either the king will turn in the right direction, or the people will take up the club!
    2. -3
      29 October 2022 08: 18
      Quote: Old Sergeant
      - The head of state refused to nationalize strategically important enterprises on television.

      Here is the full text: http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69695
      Where did you see something like that?

      By topic.
      Meeting with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu: http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69703

      "... In this regard, here's something else I would like to say. We have and are working on a plan for the development of the Armed Forces. It is being carried out, and is being carried out at the pace and to the extent that it provides, agreed at all levels ...

      ...Let's agree that December at the annual board after all this work, I will repeat once again, including at the expert level, so that these proposals were reported by you and could be accepted..."

      It is quite possible that one of the proposals will be to transfer the main enterprises of the military-industrial complex to the zone of state responsibility.
    3. +7
      29 October 2022 08: 24
      There are advisers. There are a bunch of them.
      And they advise what the president himself wants to hear.
    4. +4
      29 October 2022 08: 24
      Who are the advisers? Well, as far as I know, it is still spinning there, all the same "genius" of the economy, who came up with the "budget rule" - Kudrin. Well, besides him, there are also other "patriotically oriented" entrepreneurs ...
    5. -3
      29 October 2022 14: 36
      I wonder who is this very literate? Let's have a last name...
  14. +9
    29 October 2022 07: 06
    Also news to me ... What is the main state idea in the Russian Federation?
    Monetization!
    Everything that the hands can reach.
    Utilities, pensions, factories, war... - it doesn't matter

    Threat
    Well, THEY hate Russians to the point of pain in their eyes.
    Any of their pain is pleasant to them
    1. -1
      29 October 2022 07: 34
      Well, THEY hate Russians to the point of pain in their eyes.
      overwhelming most of THEM are the most that neither is Russian.
      Chemezov is not a Tajik at all.
    2. 0
      29 October 2022 14: 02
      1. optimization (hospitals, army, space, education) i.e. reduction and simplification
      2. monetization optimized in 1 step
      3. shovanization of monetized at step 2
  15. +8
    29 October 2022 07: 11
    The author described everything in such detail that there is nothing to discuss.
    About the plant: its products have been in constant demand at all times and epochs. Including "civilian".
    That long-term chain of troubles, debts, which led to the current situation, is the result of the fact that numerous bourgeois of different ranks and abilities, replacing each other, pumped money into their pockets for three (post-Soviet) decades.
    At the same time, it does not take into account the issues of economic self-sufficiency of the enterprise, its technological integrity.
    That is, they plundered and sold everything that came across their eyes. That is, everything.
    The situation was "peppered" by one such governor, Reshetnikov, who was popularly nicknamed the Zagovernor and Razrushetnikov.

    Under the pretext of ennobling Perm, he conceived (it’s good that he didn’t start it. They didn’t give it) the complete liquidation of the plant as such and the construction of elite residential complexes in its place (the bank of the Kama).
    As corrosive people got to the bottom, contracts for future construction were to be received by Reshetnikov's Moscow cronies.
    It's good that Reshetnikov has been promoted and left Perm.
    It's bad that he was promoted to minister.
    I agree with the author that the only way to save Motovilikha will be to transfer it to state property.
  16. +3
    29 October 2022 07: 12
    It's just that the Western intelligence services operate in this way, through their agents of influence they destroy defense enterprises with their own hands. . And there is no need to track down a tank or MLRS in the fields at the front and destroy it with artillery or aircraft, it is easier and safer to bankrupt a defense enterprise that produces this military equipment.
  17. +6
    29 October 2022 07: 13
    we have a legal state in which the law prevails ...
    Cool...
    Only something he dominates in a certain special way, when there is more harm from him than good.
  18. +2
    29 October 2022 07: 28
    Not only that, the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, themselves for 30 years and for the colossal money that they had, because of which they all "and now it's better than in the USSR", did not create anything good, did not do anything for Russia and its people, so they also destroyed, ruined all the good things that they got for free from the RSFSR.
  19. +5
    29 October 2022 07: 41

    Lavrenty, you did the right thing by equipping a camp for them in Kolyma.
  20. +6
    29 October 2022 07: 49
    Quote: aars
    Well, THEY hate Russians to the point of pain in their eyes.
    overwhelming most of THEM are the most that neither is Russian.
    Chemezov is not a Tajik at all.

    So what?
    Russians can't hate Russians?
    Take at least the same Ukraine ...
    And keep in mind that there are still a lot of non-Russians THERE.
    And most importantly, on TV and the media you see managers (talking heads), not managers.
    Who these managers are, we do not know. This is the science of conspiracy theology
  21. +6
    29 October 2022 07: 49
    Sadly. But it's logical.
    Mykols and Nikitas shoot each other there, but the oligarchs, managers and directors spin million-dollar schemes into their pockets with impunity. And without a roof on top, this is clearly impossible.
  22. 0
    29 October 2022 07: 51
    Quote: aars
    we have a legal state in which the law prevails ...
    Cool...
    Only something he dominates in a certain special way, when there is more harm from him than good.

    In the comments on VO, a sensible idea has already been expressed that the law is written on paper, and this is not enough to dominate. For with paper you can go to the toilet.

    Law enforcement - the work of the law - is determined by the traditions of society ... . Here's the thing. In our country, Yeltsin was simultaneously declared in 1996 by a resolution of the GDRF dated March 15.03 - a criminal offender, and in the same year he became President for the second time ......

    The rest of the world is unthinkable. Society from a children's fairy tale: three eccentrics came together at night in the Bialowieza forest in December 1991 - bam! And there is no country .... Miracle!

    It is our tradition that "laws don't work." ..
    And then why do we need laws at all, why do we need in particular a military oath, if they are of no use? In the USSR, they took one oath, then another, and we are surprised .. ... wonderful things ....
  23. +3
    29 October 2022 07: 56
    There is a way out. Buying shares of factories by the state.

    The state has brought this plant, and not only this one, to such a state.
    The irresponsibility of leaders and impunity are killing Russia.
  24. +3
    29 October 2022 07: 57
    There are no words, it's just beyond reason.
  25. +5
    29 October 2022 08: 02
    That is, the withdrawn billion is not a crime.
    Of course not! How many of them have been brought abroad over the past 30 years! I’m silent, for 300 lard, abroad, which they froze. Ahhh, well, this is different.
  26. +3
    29 October 2022 08: 32
    Quote: parusnik
    That is, the withdrawn billion is not a crime.
    Of course not! How many of them have been brought abroad over the past 30 years! I’m silent, for 300 lard, abroad, which they froze. Ahhh, well, this is different.

    Primarily different. The country is huge, with a population of almost 300 million - it disappeared overnight in December 1991 simply because three "eccentrics" then met in the Belovezhskaya Forest"! If you think about it, this is already beyond the realm of what is really possible. Surrealism ....

    It is no longer about criminals and thieves, they are everywhere. The society itself has gone crazy completely, seriously and it seems ... Forever.
  27. +9
    29 October 2022 08: 39
    Rostec was actually created to sell off state-owned strategic enterprises.
    It was then that he became a partner in development. The case cited by the author is not the first, the Klimov Design Bureau (St. Petersburg), the MPP named after Chernyshev (Moscow) and many other enterprises were also destroyed. Few people know that Chemezov wanted to destroy Perm motors with the help of his assistant Masalov in 2013.
    They removed Inozemtsev from the post of general director, and they wanted to liquidate the shops, disrupting the supply of PS-90-76 under a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense for the supply of Il-476. Only the intervention of the governor and the work team allowed the plant to be defended.
    What should be done in this situation.
    1. Prohibit the use of land plots under industrial enterprises for any other purpose other than production.
    2. Nationalize key enterprises. Renault and Total, for example, state-owned enterprises and nothing.
    3. Create sectoral ministries - for example - MAP (Ministry of Aviation Industry), Agricultural Engineering, etc.
    4. Dispose of garbage cans such as the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Rostec and others.
    5.Exit from the WTO.
    1. +2
      29 October 2022 09: 22
      I completely agree. But who will do it? All those who sold off and plundered state-owned enterprises feel great in the role of leaders.
      1. +4
        29 October 2022 10: 42
        The strategy and ideology of modern Russia is stuffing your pockets. Nobody will change anything. Let's go.
  28. +3
    29 October 2022 08: 47
    Rostec bankrupts its own defense enterprise during the war? And how will we fight with NATO? Where to get zips and new trunks????
    1. 0
      29 October 2022 10: 04
      Who will fight, Rostec, this scum will immediately surrender.
    2. +2
      29 October 2022 14: 05
      And how will we fight with NATO? Where to get zips and new trunks????

      what are you so worried about? The reports will be fine. Then the commander-in-chief will tell us on TV that there are no problems, and those that have been successfully resolved. First time, right?
      This is sarcasm if so
  29. +4
    29 October 2022 09: 14
    Here is a clear illustration of what "enemies of the people" are and why the year 37 was needed. Unfortunately, the faithful disciples of Gaidar, Chubais, Koch and other criminals continue to manage our economy.
  30. Eug
    +1
    29 October 2022 09: 36
    Wanguyu - the Ministry of Health will be sold to a private company (joint stock company), which will be backed by the leaders of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Moscow Region (part of the shares will remain with these organizations). And the money will go to the same society. And the "bundle" of the plant - the manufacturer with the repair enterprise in general is a very interesting and promising business - the production of "repair" (sometimes they are slightly, but differ in some sizes from the parts used for the assembly of new products) components can be "dumped" at the repair enterprise for the entire range of products manufactured by the parent company and much more.
  31. 0
    29 October 2022 09: 40
    The article is correct, but superficial.
    The author did not delve into the study of the current state of affairs, actual management, etc.
  32. 0
    29 October 2022 09: 54
    Again, the name "Stalin" comes to mind. Or Kadyrov.
    1. +1
      29 October 2022 11: 00
      But you offended Stalin in vain by putting him on a par with "Putin's faithful infantryman" hi
  33. -1
    29 October 2022 10: 14
    Well, if they are already trying to destroy strategic defense enterprises, then this means that the enemy "5th column" is operating at full strength! And where is the FSB, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Government of the Russian Federation, Deputy,. Chairman of the Security Council comrade. Medvedev D. A. They and to whom they obey - where are they looking?! Therefore, there is not enough weapons and equipment in the troops on the fields of the NWO !!! And it is necessary to watch and manage the country, as A. G. LUKASHENKO manages!!! Look how he manages the country and officials in the current situation! Both the military and especially civilians !!! There are many videos on YouTube on this subject! Therefore, despite all the difficulties and opposition of enemies, there is order!!! He does not persuade officials and asks, but ORDERS, DEMANDS AND HARDLY ASKS !!! THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE! ESPECIALLY - DURING THIS PERIOD!!!
    1. +1
      29 October 2022 12: 07
      Who is who, and Lukashenka is in no way suitable for examples!
  34. 0
    29 October 2022 11: 19
    We need a special commission that will consider this and similar situations will draw conclusions. And you need to look at all such cases since the 90s. To conclude. With landings and weaning of assets. Because the bankruptcy of the defense industry is not just like that, it is a diversion of a probable (although already real) enemy.
    1. +2
      29 October 2022 11: 39
      We need a special commission that will consider this and similar situations and draw conclusions
      - people in this commission where to take, on the moon? And who will select these people?
      1. 0
        29 October 2022 14: 48
        For good, a necromancer is needed here. But if you search well, then people will be found.
        1. 0
          29 October 2022 15: 01
          But if you search well, then people will be found.
          - who will search? Bees versus honey?
  35. +5
    29 October 2022 11: 29
    Roman dug up a topic that has been bleeding for 20 years. The corporatization of defense industry enterprises throughout the country is an idea exclusively of Vladimir Putin. He did not invent it, but it was he who believed in it and realized it. Motovilikha is no exception. We have the same thing in St. Petersburg, only in larger sizes. Putin's idea of ​​effective managers manifested itself not only in the military-industrial complex, it permeated the whole country, all spheres of government, when the Defense Ministry was successively ruled by a philologist in civilian clothes, a merchant and a foreman, and a journalist and a military man in the defense industry, and a cybernetic economist in healthcare. By the way, who was the ambassador to Ukraine? A gas worker, then the same cybernetic economist.
    In my opinion, V. Putin very peculiarly understood the well-known saying that cadres decide everything. Yes, cadres decide everything, but only professional cadres, and not businessmen motivated by high personal incomes, who inevitably slip into personal income to the detriment of the enterprise entrusted to them.
    Motovilikha - has been a state-owned enterprise since the 19th century. She remained in this "hypostasis" in the USSR. And only V. Putin allowed himself to admit businessmen to secret defense enterprises without any form of admission. He is unaware that the defense industry engineers were well trained in economics at the microeconomic level. The vast majority of them are much stronger in the economy than, for example, D. Rogozin. What businessmen are strong in is in the financial sector, which is a product of economic policy, where there are no clear rules, as a result of which they live according to concepts. And in these muddy concepts, a businessman will always be able to catch a fish for himself.
    I had an internship at Motovilikha in 1976 after the 4th course. Together with us, future colleagues from Baumanka passed it there. And a year before that, I did an internship at the Barricades.
    You can immediately see a person from an early time! There aren't any now and there won't be any soon!
    The state took special care of personnel for the defense industry. Now businessmen run the show there. And they will rule, because V. Putin has just made it clear that there will be no nationalization. Some will. Through blood, but it will be. The blood has gone today.
  36. 0
    29 October 2022 11: 41
    That is why the holidays of Satanists and all sorts of .... seks are so often held in Perm.
  37. -1
    29 October 2022 11: 48
    Only Stalin and SMERSH can save the country from "effective managers" and complete destruction!
  38. +7
    29 October 2022 12: 33
    Immediately rezanulo ear "there is no place to take personnel," and the leadership did not try to pay people a decent salary? Not 30-50 for turners, but let's say 60-80? The director can even 300 tr. instead of 800 to get, here you have 20 tr. They threw 25 valuable specialists and people are happy and will not go anywhere. Well, let's say you are a "criminal manager" and you don't want to raise people's salaries, well, create good conditions, preferential meals, ventilation, normal working conditions, overalls, tools. It's all worth a PENNY compared to management costs. At our enterprise, even the "Rogozin managers" were not able to establish ventilation, but they bought expensive cars for themselves. The people sat in stuffiness, suffocated with a sore head, the tables were all old, the computers were ancient, but iPhones and all sorts of other crap were regularly bought for gifts. Some benefits, etc., organize housing, meals, etc. At such enterprises, from my own experience, I know a dozen employees of directorates and management will earn as 40-50 workers / engineers. It is necessary to strictly limit the salaries of managers and all information should be open, otherwise the director receives 800 tr. an engineer with 400 years of experience, God forbid 500-10, well, where is this good and okay, a commercial enterprise, anything is there, but when an office with the participation of the state and such outrages are happening. All employees see this very well and know it very well. Look like in Roskosmos under Rogozin, we have an engineer with 45 years of experience who receives 60 tr. in Moscow, and according to the news they tell how the average salary in the central office is 20 tr. per month. Well where does it go? People except that deliberately do not harm for such a salary. In order to reduce the number of workers, it is necessary to automate labor, machine tools, software, youth with internships, you need to dig the ground, as business does, and you look at these state. managers? Dad rustled, son headed the enterprise, state. People give up on this, run at any cost to commerce.
    1. +2
      29 October 2022 13: 11
      Absolutely accurate description of what is happening.
  39. +1
    29 October 2022 12: 59
    The state needs to redeem debts, become one of the owners of the enterprise, provide orders for production and repairs. Pluses: preservation of production, repair and competencies, this is one, we are keeping the team, this is two, VAT on turnover to the treasury, this is three, and so on. Minus one, you need to find 10 billion. I propose using type C accounts, to which debts are paid to non-residents from hostile countries.
    If suddenly our gold reserves are returned to us, well, then the money will be returned to non-residents, and gold reserves - in rubles and spent on industry. Since the gold reserves will not be returned, then the money of non-residents could then finance our defense industry. Fine?
  40. +1
    29 October 2022 13: 36
    When will this madness end? After all, every crime has a surname name patronymic!
  41. +1
    29 October 2022 13: 56
    A song addressed to a friend goes in a circle
    Because the earth is round

    Reading the article and comments, this song immediately comes to mind. Again, screaming singing under the worn-out slogans "how long", "we need a smersh", "where are the prosecutors", "under Stalin it was ..." and other, excuse me, crap. The "deep people", drugged by propaganda, cannot turn on their brains and remember that capitalism and the state in which they live in the person of all its representatives, from the tsar and the boyars to the last six prosecutors and judges, have been around for a long time, serve the interests of the capitalists, who , according to the classics, for the sake of profit, not just a factory, they will sell their mother. Accordingly, all the activities carried out by this state have as their goal the enrichment of the ruling class, and any crap that is stuffed with the "deep people" is pure smokescreen, so that this very people think less and "imagine about themselves", but dutifully perform, preferably silently and with a spark. And there will be no Stalins and Berias, Smershevs and everything else. There will be Russian capitalism - a mixture of serfdom and cave imperialism.
  42. +2
    29 October 2022 14: 04
    Quote: Boris55
    It is being carried out, and is being carried out at the pace and to the extent that it provides, agreed upon at all levels...

    You know, I live in this country and I don't believe in any of this. About 20 years old. People still see that they do not fly to work from the moon.
    1. -7
      29 October 2022 14: 42
      It turns out that everything suited you under Boriska? Since only the last 20 years have displeased you ...
      1. +3
        29 October 2022 15: 23
        what about EBN? his successor has been in power for 22 years. from 45 to 67 years (22 years old), what did the global country do? Only by eye can one recall the atomic bomb, Sputnik, Gagarin, mass housing construction, a clear improvement in the living conditions of the population and, as a result, population growth, etc. Now we take the current 22 years .... And? Only the return of the Crimea, in all other respects the drawdown is in the red....
        1. -6
          29 October 2022 16: 47
          Yeah, something in the West is already gritting their teeth that we failed to arrange another 89-91 years ... about the deterioration of life, it also noticeably worsened so much that there is nowhere to push through cars and in stores we also see deterioration on the international front, too, everything is straight to us they stand with their backs ... about demographics ... 1993 - 148 is the maximum population in Russia for all time
          2009 - 141 903 979 and this is the minimum number.
          2021 - 147. From 182 to 123, only an increase was in the population.
          1. +3
            29 October 2022 18: 25
            there is nowhere to push from cars
            - we recall that the automobile industry of the USSR could not meet the needs of the population in passenger cars until the collapse of the country, and given the "Iron Curtain" there was nowhere to get imported ones. Dokhrenischa cars bought on credit, it was also practiced in the USSR.
            From 10 to 18, only the increase was in the population
            - minus the population of Crimea from the increase (2 million), citizens of the DPR, LPR who received passports under the age of 22 (about 1 million), remember the migrants ...
            Yeah, something in the West is already gritting their teeth that we failed to arrange another 89-91 years
            - there is no development, we are stalling, we can’t build almost shit without an import component. Someone is confident in the future? Such units. Does anyone insure children for adulthood? And it used to be okay...
            1. -2
              29 October 2022 20: 20
              Quote: faiver
              Dokhrenischa cars bought on credit, it was also practiced in the USSR.

              Cars all over the world, the majority takes on credit.
              Quote: faiver
              minus the population of Crimea from the increase (2 million), citizens of the DPR, LPR who received passports before the age of 22 (about 1 million), remember the migrants ...

              Do you want to say that they did not move to the RSFSR from the republics?
              Quote: faiver
              there is no development, we are stalling,

              No development? In terms of GDP, we are in 5th place in the world.
              Quote: faiver
              Someone is confident in the future? Such units.

              And in what country of the world is there such confidence ... now the situation in the world is such that no one has confidence. And as for imports, no one can do without it ... even the USSR used it with might and main, from machine tools and technologies to entire factories.
  43. 0
    29 October 2022 14: 46
    All enterprises of the military-industrial complex. not only this plant, transfer it to 100% state property, not 51 to 49 with private owners, namely 100%, completely eliminate the possibility of capital withdrawal (theft). And to raise wages for highly skilled workers (turners, locksmiths of the 6,7th category.) to 800000-1 million. Since in the USSR it was (you can explain why such an amount, but it takes a long time) and everything will work out by itself.
  44. +2
    29 October 2022 14: 52
    Quote: ivan2022
    The country is huge, with a population of almost 300 million - it disappeared overnight in December 1991 simply because three "eccentrics" then converged in the Belovezhsky Forest!

    This is not so. The country is industry and people, everything else is a superstructure. We all live off the heritage of the USSR - industry, energy, people brought up by the USSR. And this legacy of the USSR is thinning with every destroyed enterprise, with every departing Soviet engineer. Now, for example, it goes the destruction of the Ukrainian SSR, the remnants of industry, friendship of peoples, and an engineering school (the arrest of Boguslaev) is in full swing.
  45. +2
    29 October 2022 14: 56
    oh, how this story reminds me of what my friends and acquaintances told about the workers of the metallurgical and shipbuilding plants in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. although aviation is also a mess. the director of the dzhimorda only speaks obscenities with the workers and the expensive titan steals to the dacha. although the salary of this rat with 6 zeros.
    this bureaucratic mold will not "get drunk" in any way. I suppose 14 lards will just be taken away.
  46. +3
    29 October 2022 15: 14
    Forgive debts to creditors and that's it. They still live well without this money. Will manage.
    1. 0
      7 November 2022 21: 06
      In matters of national defense and state security, there should be no place for commodity-money relations, the buy-sell system is absolutely unacceptable here, the security of the Motherland is not traded.
  47. +6
    29 October 2022 15: 31
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Who are the advisers?

    Well, for example, Yeltsin's daughter - Tatyana Yumasheva. Why do you think the "guarantor" needs it? And for unofficial, closed communication with the West, including through her husband. Do you think why at one time Yeltsin urgently withdrew our contingent from Yugoslavia and surrendered the Pristina airfield? Because his daughter was pinched in the West in the West, that is, the interested services of Western countries became aware of the money that she took over the hill, Yeltsin was informed that if he did not remove the troops from Yugoslavia, then Tatyana’s affairs would become known in Russia, they would inflate scandal, the EBN rating will collapse altogether, the money will be confiscated ..., etc. and so on. At home, EBN had a scandal, Tanyusha did her best, and as a result, an act of "good will" ... . sad
  48. 0
    29 October 2022 16: 03
    Why are these factories needed if everything can be bought abroad. Gas - yes! Oil - is! It is a pity that the galoshes are over!
  49. +6
    29 October 2022 17: 27
    The liberal Chubaisyatin of the 90s smoothly grew into the "patriotic" Chemezyatin of 2022. It is necessary to lead the country in such a way that the Motovilikha Plants are brought to bankruptcy. Having received the answer, the following question will follow: Are you stupid or enemies?
  50. +4
    29 October 2022 18: 28
    Quote: Taimen
    The enemies of the people deliberately weaken our country,

    Enemies of the people are sitting on traitors and chasing thieves. Everything you need to know about the current anti-people Russian government. negative
  51. +9
    29 October 2022 20: 14
    [/quote][quote=sergeyketonov]All enterprises of the military-industrial complex. not only this plant, transfer to 100% state ownership,

    It's too late. Unfortunately, a huge number of defense industry enterprises have been completely destroyed. I myself worked at a radio factory. Now it is nothing but ruins. Why is there no new equipment in the army in commercial quantities? Research institutes develop good equipment, produce a prototype, the customer is satisfied, but the industry cannot produce it in the required quantity. There are no serial factories. In order to saturate the troops with new equipment, new industrialization is needed, but is our effective managers capable of it? Rhetorical question...
    1. 0
      30 October 2022 04: 16
      New technology also requires an appropriate level of education and training for those who will use it.
  52. +2
    29 October 2022 20: 20
    The situation is strange: the plant is included by the state/authority in the list of strategic enterprises. The president introduced it by decree. ......

    But then there is cognitive dissonance. The state corporation is trying its best to get rid of the operating plant (above the state order in the conditions of SVO) and sell it under the hammer to at least someone for some amount.........
    If this is not insanity, then I don’t even know what to call it. There are no more words. Crisis managers (oh my god) auctioneers) run defense enterprises. Well, in what other country can you see this?

    In the conditions of the Northern Military District this is something unthinkable!!! A huge number of our people REALLY want to know - what does our president himself think about all this?
  53. +3
    29 October 2022 20: 26
    The defense industry should not be private; entrepreneurs will quickly turn workshops into warehouses and entertainment centers.
    1. +2
      30 October 2022 04: 18
      If there are no corresponding orders, then yes.
  54. +3
    29 October 2022 22: 14
    It is possible to raise the plant.
    Only all adjacent buildings were destroyed.
  55. +2
    29 October 2022 22: 19
    Only nationalization will save the Russian World
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    1. +2
      30 October 2022 02: 29
      The Tsar needs to write...


      But the doorman didn’t let go, without taking a meager contribution,
      And they went, burning sun,
      Repeating: “Judge his god!”,
      Throwing out hopeless hands
      And as long as I could see them,
      They walked with their heads uncovered...
      (Nekrasov.)
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  59. +2
    30 October 2022 04: 13
    It is imperative that the labor collective take part in the management and ownership of an enterprise, just as at the country level, the people must take part in management and not some clans that have not been replaced for decades. To do this, we need to build a civil society and not a new dictatorship, which is not yet in sight. Then positive changes will begin in all spheres of life, including in science and industry.
  60. +2
    30 October 2022 06: 59
    There are no statists in the country.. and there cannot be under a feudal-oligarchic system.. Don’t rely on Putin - he was appointed to preserve this situation..
  61. +2
    30 October 2022 15: 23
    Who would have thought that artillery needed to be replenished..... ..? This is still the USSR. He left it in storage for us, otherwise they would have sat there with their butts naked. The current leadership would hardly put equipment in storage
  62. 0
    30 October 2022 16: 19
    Quote: Vladimir Michailovich
    Now, for example, destruction is in full swing

    The oldest strategic defense enterprise in the Tver region, the Rzhev 55 Arsenal, is going bankrupt at the most crucial moment. The plant workers contacted the Russian Ministry of Defense and the direct line with the president. The result is zero. And besides it, there are 22 more factories specializing in the repair and modernization of military equipment. In the midst of hostilities. Who is in our power? fool
    And in our power, the enemies of the people sit on traitors and drive thieves. negative
  63. 0
    30 October 2022 17: 56
    It is simply impossible not to sell off a bankrupt’s property; we have a rule of law state in which the law prevails...

    According to the idea, the State Defense Committee under the leadership of Mishustin can step over this without any problems. The trouble is that those who were involved in biting off pieces of the Motherland in the 90s still live at the top...
  64. -2
    30 October 2022 18: 33
    The author is either stupid or pretending to be. Bankruptcy is not the destruction of an enterprise, it is a change of owner, that’s all. The article is the nonsense of an all-rounder.
    1. 0
      4 November 2022 12: 47
      In most cases, even if there is someone who wants to buy the entire enterprise, then for the same thing that is done otherwise - all the property of the plant is sold in separate parts at auction at minimum prices. If someone else is fighting for the land, then everything else is sold at the price of scrap metal and construction waste (and that is how it is then used). Have you ever seen the sad tables of such auctions?
  65. 0
    30 October 2022 20: 08
    Quote: Krilion
    There are no statists in the country.. and there cannot be under a feudal-oligarchic system.. Don’t rely on Putin - he was appointed to preserve this situation..

    Given feudal morals and the psychology of society, the system cannot be different.
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  67. +2
    31 October 2022 00: 06
    Rostec was created in order to sell. If the bankruptcy procedure is not stopped, Rostec is the same as selling equipment or factories. Moreover, there is no movement from the state. This means we need to go bankrupt because important people have already prepared their pockets for dividing up 14 billion. And with the war tomorrow or the day after tomorrow Maybe they will go to war. After all, there was no signal from above, but you must always keep your nose to the wind!
  68. 0
    31 October 2022 00: 21
    Strategically important enterprises must be under full state control. This, by the way, happens to almost all of our opponents. And that's okay.
    Maybe, but only in the highest echelons of power and even in the army they know one thing for sure: State Department officials and NATO officers are not fucking needed
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  71. 0
    31 October 2022 01: 20
    if we don’t want to continue fighting with Soviet D-20s, produced in the 50s of the last century.
    The same 122mm M-30 model of 1938, which was designed by Krupa engineers, can now withstand the rate of fire (although the accuracy is poor and due to barrel wear), not like modern three axes that break during shooting.
    1. 0
      2 November 2022 07: 54
      The Germans (not Krupp) designed Lubok for us, not the M-30. It was precisely because Lubok “didn’t go” that another divisional howitzer was needed. And the M-30 was not without alternative; it was chosen from three.
  72. +1
    2 November 2022 08: 00
    This has been happening for a long time throughout the military-industrial complex. “Optimization”, after which enterprises known throughout the world cease to exist. In essence, serial production of the MiG-29/35 is being destroyed (and now someone here will write that it is not needed). And outside the military-industrial complex, the machine tool industry (the Moscow plant "Red Proletary"), the production of bearings (without which there is no point in talking about mechanical engineering) and much more have long been destroyed. "There is no place for factories in Megapolis." We didn't intend to fight. We were going to build new apartments throughout the Moscow agglomeration, offices and shopping centers. It was easier for us to buy everything than to do it ourselves. Only for some reason they forgot to report this to Vladimir Vladimirovich. However, he himself ordered the construction of millions of square meters. new housing every year.
  73. +1
    2 November 2022 08: 05
    It’s funny for me to listen to moaning about drones, for example. Kronstadt from Tushino has already been given a kick, in 2025 he will clear the Moscow production site, because Rostec sold the land under it, and Yevtushenkov fought for it with one of the Moscow developers, and in the end they made peace and sawed it off, as much as they wanted. The SVO has been going on for 8 months now, but so far no plans have changed. Well, let’s talk about the former 500th plant, the former Red October, MMP named after. Chernyshev, which is located on the same territory, there is nothing to say.

    So relax and have fun. We ourselves once chose money instead of greatness. But for some reason not everyone received the money. Although, in fact, when did everyone receive them, and not some?
  74. +1
    7 November 2022 21: 01
    And with such a mess at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, we still want us to produce modern weapons in the quantities necessary for our army, for this we first urgently need to restore order in the military-industrial complex and sweep out all those who are trying to profit from these most important enterprises for the country and does not allow them to work rhythmically and develop successfully.

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