Russia's bet on China may be a mistake

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Russia's bet on China may be a mistake

Since the beginning of the NMD in Ukraine and the introduction by the West against Russia of the largest in stories economic restrictions, the phrase “China will save us” is increasingly appearing in our media. In this case, we are not talking about military assistance, but about reorienting the Russian economy from the lost Western markets to Asian ones, in particular China.

At the same time, Russian economist Oleg Komolov believes that our authorities' stake on China may be a mistake.

According to the expert, China has increased the import of our products by 50% this year. However, most of it is raw materials. In addition, this figure is given in monetary terms. Given the sharp rise in prices in the first half of the year, the real increase in our deliveries may not be that significant.



At the same time, one should not count on the fact that Chinese products will completely replace Western ones in our market. Russia's export of cars from China grew by almost a quarter. At the same time, China will not be able to export pharmaceutical products, components for aircraft construction and some other goods, since Beijing itself is directly dependent on Western supplies in this segment.

However, Chinese telecommunications giants are in no hurry to flood our market with their products, as they are afraid of falling under sanctions.

In turn, the prospects for the reorientation of the Russian commodity market from the West to the PRC look ambiguous.

Firstly, the motivation of the PRC to buy our raw materials to a greater extent lies in the serious discounts provided by Russia. In other words, China today enjoys the "privilege of a monopolist" with might and main.

Secondly, according to Komolov, the Chinese economy is now going through hard times. The country's GDP growth for the second quarter was only 0,4%.

The slowdown in the Chinese economy, as the largest importer of raw materials, directly affects its cost. Metal, wood, food and raw materials have fallen sharply in recent months.

At the same time, as the expert put it, a quick recovery of the Chinese economy and an increase in its demand for raw materials should not be expected. In China, there is a crisis of overproduction, as a result, enterprises reduce their capacity. In addition, an extremely difficult situation has developed in the field of mortgage lending in China, where a colossal "financial bubble" has formed.

At the same time, the Russian authorities continue to place great hopes on the "eastern neighbor". In particular, in terms of reorienting gas exports from Europe to China.

But even here everything is extremely vague. For example, the new Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline should be completed by 2028. However, China still has not concluded a contract for the supply of gas.

In addition, the Power of Siberia highway, which is already in operation, was only one-third loaded last year.

Finally, according to Bloomberg forecasts, Chinese demand for LNG in November this year will be significantly lower than in the previous and the previous similar periods. According to experts, all this may result in the resale of contracted LNG volumes to the EU, which will earn Chinese intermediaries. At the same time, the profit of Russian exporters, on the contrary, will decrease.

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    1. +24
      27 October 2022 13: 27
      China will not save anyone, but will simply extract the maximum benefit from the current situation (demand discounts on supplied resources).
      P.s. about the financial problems of China is also an invention, remember how three months ago they shouted about the collapse of China's largest construction company, but 1.3 billion of the population is an excellent resource for not noticing such "little things".
      1. +14
        27 October 2022 13: 35
        Popular wisdom teaches - "Do not put your eggs in one basket."
        Who is who, but our officials know about this for sure. when it comes to personal rather than public Yes
        1. +7
          27 October 2022 14: 14
          Russia's bet on China may be a mistake

          Easy!
          The People's Republic of China lives by its national interests and its national ideology!
          1. +5
            28 October 2022 07: 03
            The People's Republic of China lives by its national interests and its national ideology!

            That's it! In order to really survive, we need to reform the state and the economy. We need a return to socialism, but with the preservation of small and medium-sized businesses, we need the nationalization of the entire raw material industry, the military-industrial complex, metallurgy, heavy engineering, shipbuilding, aircraft building, engine building, sea and railway transport, ports and airports, major banks such as Sberbank and VTB, airlines , communications, including the largest mobile operators.
            At the same time, it is necessary to change the rules for appointing to the posts of heads of state-owned companies and to nominate people only with specialized education and according to their business qualities. It is also necessary to reduce the cost of public administration dozens of times, to reduce from hundreds, and maybe thousands of times, the costs of buildings, residences and transport for members of the government, deputies, ministers, governors, and other leaders.
            1. +3
              28 October 2022 09: 35
              .... we need the nationalization of the entire raw materials industry, the military-industrial complex, metallurgy, heavy engineering, shipbuilding, aircraft building, engine building, sea and railway transport, ports and airports, major banks such as Sberbank and VTB, airlines, communications, including the largest mobile operators. ... belay Raise your hand to the holy!!!??? belay You are setting unrealistic goals! No. It is in the East that the army and colonels can resolve the political crisis, not here. We have owners everywhere and in all places, see above. bully
              1. for
                +3
                28 October 2022 22: 04
                Quote: Amper
                .... need nationalization

                And what is the use of nationalization with such leadership.
            2. +3
              29 October 2022 22: 15
              Quote: ramzay21
              nationalization of the entire raw materials industry, military-industrial complex, metallurgy, heavy engineering, shipbuilding, aircraft building, engine building, sea and railway transport, ports and airports, major banks such as Sberbank and VTB, airlines, communications, including the largest mobile operators, is needed.


              Plus, introduce the death penalty for withdrawing money abroad. Money must work within the country.
          2. +2
            28 October 2022 09: 55
            Quote: Tatiana
            Easy!
            The People's Republic of China lives by its national interests and its national ideology!


            as the French said and not only:

            Chasseur, pêcheurs, preneur de taupes, feraient beaucoup, n "étaient les fautes -
            A hunter, a fisherman, a stalker would do a lot if they didn't make mistakes.


        2. +3
          28 October 2022 08: 16
          if you want to live in peace, keep your eggs with you, as soon as you give them to someone else's friendly hands, they will crush your hands. State order for the construction of factories and plants with their possible partial corporatization. Entrepreneurs and oligarchs will not be able to build anything efficient and necessary.
        3. +2
          28 October 2022 13: 41
          Quote: credo
          Who is who, but our officials know about this for sure. when it comes to personal rather than public

          In fact of the matter. The whole psychology of the thieves' godfather, built on stole - sold, with minimal body movements. As long as they are in power, there will be no import substitution. And there are searches for how to fill up Russia, with the maximum, personal benefit. All these "soon-bourgeois" did not grow "their companies" for a ruble, and therefore their psychology, "grab to sebe", until the people realized it. This is the difference between the "thieves' substance" and the Iranian authorities. They developed the country there, under tougher sanctions, because they perceive Iran as their homeland. And we have "temporary workers", through one, sitting on the other, they drive the third ... Where does real care come from, about the well-being of the country ?.
        4. 0
          28 October 2022 16: 51
          The game "in the long run" is always larger than the stakes. For the bet is made on one round, and the next is another bet! hi
          During the existence of Russia, there have been so many alliances, treaties, victories and defeats that it is time to get used to it. And the "bets" were set with varying degrees of success ...
          Those times have passed, but Russia is still there!
          And therefore, there is no problem in helping and receiving help from those with whom we are on the way now within the framework of the current political process. It has always been so.
        5. +1
          28 October 2022 18: 51
          In addition to China, there are Vietnam, India, North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, countries in Africa and South America ....
          After all, Russia's GDP is only 2-3% of the world's, and to maintain the current level of foreign trade, we need only a few alternative trading partners to replace trade with Western Europe and the United States ....
        6. +1
          28 October 2022 23: 45
          The problem is in the carts. There is nowhere else to put more. The bet on China today may be wrong, but Iran does not really need our raw materials, and our main product is energy. Therefore, only China, India and Turkey remain. And of course, everyone twists their arms, knocking out preferences for themselves.
      2. +23
        27 October 2022 13: 41
        We have a fundamentally wrong opinion that China is the USSR 2.0.
        China is not fighting the West, the role of ideology there is zero. They are an ordinary capitalist country that competes with other capitalist countries. They are interested in profit, nothing else.
        Russia for them is just one of the countries that can be used for their own benefit.
        They have already taken the technology from us, there is nothing more.
        Raw materials in the required volumes, for diversification. They refused to build a new gas pipeline, there is no need for more.
        Our market is small, if there is a threat to lose a larger one, then ours will be abandoned.
        As a transport hub, we are not relevant, the border with the west is practically blocked, the roads are overloaded, we need a new high-speed double-track railway and a 4-lane automobile road to the Far East through all of Russia.
        Simple prognathism. The salvation of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves.
      3. +5
        27 October 2022 13: 50
        The fact that the Chinese have not joined the "civilized" is already good. You don't need to help, the main thing is not to interfere. The Chinese are not fools, they are well aware that they themselves will be next.
      4. +5
        27 October 2022 14: 27
        In 5-7 years, you can build your own domestic market in the Russian Federation.
        For 200 tons of rubles, everyone wants to work.
        30 years ago they campaigned for market relations in this way: to catch up with Europe in terms of salaries.
        3 thousand euros - please
        1. 0
          27 October 2022 14: 30
          For 200 tons of rubles, everyone wants to work.
          No, not everyone!
          Some don't even get out of the car! laughing laughing
      5. +3
        28 October 2022 04: 06
        Well, yeah, it's a fantasy. Now even the States are shaking. What can we say about China.
      6. 0
        28 October 2022 11: 11
        Russia's bet on China may be a mistake

        —-This is a far-fetched thesis: a bet on China.

        In this case, we are talking about ... the reorientation of the Russian economy from the lost Western markets to Asian markets, in particular China.

        — Well, it's too early for the Martian economy. And besides Asian buyers - who can pay?

        …the import of our products - most of it is raw materials.

        —-Exports Russia and agricultural products, pork, beef, dairy products. "Most raw materials" you say?? - we are waiting for O.Komolov's ideas.

        do not expect ... that Chinese products will completely replace Western ones ...

        —-Really? And who counted?

        The motivation of the PRC to buy ... to a greater extent lies in serious discounts ... to Russia.

        - The idea is just brilliant! Down with discounts!!!

        …resale of LNG to the EU is possible, on which the Chinese will earn…and the profits of Russian exporters…will decrease.

        --Is that really true? And Russian raw materials - is it better not to sell to anyone ???

        —-“As they say ... O. Komolov on the YouTube channel“ Simple Numbers ”-“ popularly and qualitatively reveals the vices of capitalism ”Kyrgsots about him:“ an outstanding popularizer of left-wing Marxist ideas in the Russian-speaking space ”...” ... the best popularizer of the Marxist view ... "... . what else can you say - his name is nobody, his questions are nothing, and O.Komolov has alternatives in real time 0.00000 ... .000
        1. +2
          28 October 2022 18: 53
          Quote: Michael Drabkin
          Russia's bet on China may be a mistake

          —-This is a far-fetched thesis: a bet on China.

          In this case, we are talking about ... the reorientation of the Russian economy from the lost Western markets to Asian markets, in particular China.

          — Well, it's too early for the Martian economy. And besides Asian buyers - who can pay?

          …the import of our products - most of it is raw materials.

          —-Exports Russia and agricultural products, pork, beef, dairy products. "Most raw materials" you say?? - we are waiting for O.Komolov's ideas.

          do not expect ... that Chinese products will completely replace Western ones ...

          —-Really? And who counted?

          The motivation of the PRC to buy ... to a greater extent lies in serious discounts ... to Russia.

          - The idea is just brilliant! Down with discounts!!!

          …resale of LNG to the EU is possible, on which the Chinese will earn…and the profits of Russian exporters…will decrease.

          --Is that really true? And Russian raw materials - is it better not to sell to anyone ???

          —-“As they say ... O. Komolov on the YouTube channel“ Simple Numbers ”-“ popularly and qualitatively reveals the vices of capitalism ”Kyrgsots about him:“ an outstanding popularizer of left-wing Marxist ideas in the Russian-speaking space ”...” ... the best popularizer of the Marxist view ... "... . what else can you say - his name is nobody, his questions are nothing, and O.Komolov has alternatives in real time 0.00000 ... .000

          I also think that the article is bullshit.
          Initially the wrong premise led to the wrong conclusions.
          What Russia is doing is called devertification.
          That is, no one refuses the European market, and those in Europe who do not refuse to cooperate with us, we continue to work with those.
          The second is a turn not towards China, but towards the Asia-Pacific region.
          And it's not just China. Although, of course, China is still the main one there. But there is Vietnam, Indonesia and others.
          For some reason, the author forgot about them.
          The author also forgot that Russia has become more active both in Africa and in South America and in the Middle East.
          So it is fundamentally wrong to reduce everything only to a reorientation towards China.
          Of course, in many ways we are late with such a multi-vector approach and a lot needs to be done, and the question is whether we are capable of this with the current elite, managers, owners, etc.
          And, of course, the right question is the development of the domestic market, but 155 million with new territories is not enough for this.
    2. 0
      27 October 2022 13: 31
      At the same time, one should not count on the fact that Chinese products will completely replace Western ones in our market. Russia's export of cars from China grew by almost a quarter. At the same time, China will not be able to export pharmaceutical products, components for aircraft construction and some other goods, since Beijing itself is directly dependent on Western supplies in this segment.

      It is clear that we are not saved by China alone!
    3. +1
      27 October 2022 13: 31
      Salvation is not required. An honest partnership is required. It will already be many times better than what the West gave
    4. -2
      27 October 2022 13: 33
      Russia has only two allies!

      The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
      1. +7
        27 October 2022 13: 44
        Russia has only two allies!

        China doesn't have them at all. From a Chinese point of view.
        1. -1
          28 October 2022 04: 07
          There is one - North Korea. But from all other sides - enemies. Some to a greater extent, some to a lesser extent.
          1. +1
            28 October 2022 09: 06
            The People's Daily and Xinhua websites contain a lot of materials critical of the DPRK. Kind of an ally.
            1. 0
              28 October 2022 17: 06
              They are mad about fat. And as soon as you get it - immediately best friends.
    5. +6
      27 October 2022 13: 35
      At the same time, the Russian authorities continue to place great hopes on the "eastern neighbor".

      Russia needs to rely only on itself.
      And so something is suspicious, after Comrade Xi has remained in power, they begin to scare us with China. But the main problem and danger for Russia is from the West, not from the East.
    6. +5
      27 October 2022 13: 37
      It is necessary to bet on yourself, but China is a necessary companion for today, mattress enemies. But today this friend is not a friend, this enemy is not an enemy, not a dogma. Everything in the circle changes, the good attitude towards oneself does not change. bully
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    8. +3
      27 October 2022 13: 40
      There is nothing wrong with growing trade with China. No one should save anyone - you have to trade, do together what is not profitable or long on your own. The redistribution of flows has already taken place and will continue further, we must forget about the West, and the rest of the world is a lot. The fact that our economies are complementary with China is a big plus. I won’t be surprised if foreign trade exceeds $2023 billion in 200, while it is relatively balanced. Thus, already in 2023 this indicator will exceed our exchange with the EU, and the process will continue further. It would be nice to reach 100 billion with Turkey. Maybe in 2024. And we wish the Europeans expensive energy, bankruptcies, high unemployment, inflation, recession and eternal friendship with the stub that remains of the 404th!
    9. fiv
      +8
      27 October 2022 13: 40
      Nobody will save us. No one will rush into the water after us if we sink. And if we get out, and even catch a fish at the same time, then someone will even go ankle-deep into the water to give a hand on the last steps in the hope of slurping our fish soup.
    10. +4
      27 October 2022 13: 44
      The old adage says you shouldn't keep all your eggs in one basket. Today Xi eats our ice cream with pleasure, tomorrow she will also praise ice cream. There may be a moment when, at the peak of supplies, China will say "stop the car, reverse!". Moreover, they recently dug up a large gas field. But in Asia, the situation will be worse, just come on there ... But you won’t go far for raw materials, you need to develop such a product that, despite the sanctions, they would burst into line ...
      1. +5
        27 October 2022 14: 06
        But you won’t go far for raw materials, you need to develop such a product that, despite the sanctions, they would burst into line ...

        Which of the following can we offer in the near future?
        Medicine, pharmacology, high-level IT technologies, transport, aircraft engineering, electronics, machine tools...
        ...nothing! request
        1. +1
          27 October 2022 14: 12
          Our IT is quite world-class, have you heard about kotlin?
          And the nuclear industry too ...
          Not so bad.
          1. +1
            28 October 2022 09: 43
            But what is good, a drop in the ocean, is BAD and NOT AT ALL. feel True, there is an ocean YES WE, YES WE, EVERYTHING WILL BE RIGHT NOW, MAY decrees, SHE drowned, I am against the increase ... fellow
          2. 0
            28 October 2022 22: 28
            Quote: aars
            have you heard of kotlin?

            there are about a dozen such nuclear weapons a year.
          3. 0
            1 November 2022 12: 36
            Our IT is quite world-class, have you heard about kotlin?


            It was not bad, the kotlin product of Jetbrains, which left Russia, sold its offices, removed its employees and stopped selling and supporting its products in Russia. We also had a very high-tech company in the field of artificial intelligence, ABBY recognition, and also left Russia.

            And the nuclear industry too ...
            Not so bad.


            The nuclear industry is still in the top, but there are many questions whether it is possible to continue at the same level without controllers / automation from Siemens, ABB, etc.

            And the nuclear industry too ...
            Not so bad.
        2. +1
          27 October 2022 14: 30
          Quote: Horon
          Which of the following can we offer in the near future?
          Medicine, pharmacology, high-level IT technologies, transport, aircraft engineering, electronics, machine tools...
          ...nothing!

          stop Stop, don't panic! Food, space, vigorous industry - by the way: in Novosibirsk, the creation of an almost eternal reactor on new fuel, two tablespoons of which is equal in energy to one and a half cars of coal, is close to completion. If you scratch your turnip, you can get a lot of things, not only wood and hemp wink ...
    11. +3
      27 October 2022 13: 47
      What, what, but the arrogant Saxons know how to separate their enemies and pit them against each other. And you have to be a complete idiot to help them in this ... well, or a traitor.
      1. +3
        28 October 2022 07: 42
        With Russia and Ukraine, they succeeded.
    12. +2
      27 October 2022 13: 48
      The question is not in the bet on China. China does not spread rot, does not strangle us, cooperates in its own favor, and the Americans want to make Somalis out of us. And China helps us, not as we want, but helps
      1. +1
        28 October 2022 08: 25
        Quote: alexey_444
        China helps us, not in the way we want

        China needs a strong Russia. Cover your back.
        Weak, the West needs it to divide us.
        1. +1
          28 October 2022 19: 02
          Quote: Alex777
          Quote: alexey_444
          China helps us, not in the way we want

          China needs a strong Russia. Cover your back.
          Weak, the West needs it to divide us.

          Right. Russia is not a threat to China. On the contrary, we are a profitable partner for them. And of course, from our side, they can not be afraid of a stab in the back.
          And there are many other interesting partners for us in that direction, and not just China.
    13. -1
      27 October 2022 13: 49
      So this, in principle, has been known and written for a long time.
      Metropolis-Neocolony relationship. Raw materials and beads ... - the same remains.
      And besides, they wrote, a lot of "handshake" figures in Russia for China (the same ones with the crusts of the CPSU in the stash)

      Nearby, I saw an article somewhere about how China is slowly but surely squeezing out disputed territories ... And over the centuries of history of these territories, it’s full ...
    14. 0
      27 October 2022 13: 49
      In addition, the already operating Power of Siberia highway last year was loaded only by a third
      Here's some news for you...
      Is there any sense in this power of Siberia?
      Wouldn't it be better to increase the liquefaction capacity and sell it anywhere, even to Indonesia.
      Do not depend on a highly vulnerable pipe, where the consumer can dictate what he wants ...
    15. HAM
      +1
      27 October 2022 13: 52
      The Chinese are such comrades who are on their own minds.
      Whatever gets into their hands, they will squeeze it out to the maximum, take as an example how they use the agricultural land that the local princelings foolishly allocated to them in some areas .... they ruin everything and everyone.
      So here too - they will promise, though it is not known what to promise. Until China enters full military strength, it will play up, both yours and ours ....
    16. +1
      27 October 2022 14: 00
      At the same time, Russian economist Oleg Komolov believes that our authorities' stake on China may be a mistake.

      Mr. Obvious, do we have other options? The West has abandoned our products, moreover, they are doing everything to make others refuse it. It is time for this economist to change his profession to a worker or a peasant in order to start producing at least something other than thoughtful statements of the obvious. winked
    17. +3
      27 October 2022 14: 06
      At the same time, Russian economist Oleg Komolov believes that our authorities' stake on China may be a mistake.

      Let him think what he wants. The economy in the country is ruled by:
      Dial in Yandex the ministers of the Russian Federation !!! I will not dwell on Manturov, Siluanov and other ministers connected with the economy for a long time. I drew attention to Anton Kotyakov, Minister of Labor and Social Development, who was 11 years old at the time of the collapse of the USSR and whose success in work was marked by 20 beggars; 900 unemployed (as of May-July 000, the unemployment rate in Russia was 2 thousand people or 932% of the working-age population), a minimum wage of 600 rubles and ... INCOME:
      The amount of declared income for 2018 amounted to 14 million 881 thousand rubles, spouses - 2 million 471 thousand rubles.
      The amount of declared income for 2020 amounted to 27 rubles, spouses - 084 rubles.

      And it doesn't matter that the wife was able to find a job that pays 8 more than the previous one, but the fact that the income of the head of such a restless ministry is twice the income of the Prime Minister of GB...
      What a beautiful iconostasis! What inspired faces! And everyone is thinking - how are the people there?
    18. +1
      27 October 2022 14: 06
      Russia's bet on China may be a mistake

      finally, sound judgments - about - who helps us or gave us a shoulder in a difficult moment
      we are for China - only a "gas station"
    19. +1
      27 October 2022 14: 13
      Oleg Komolov believes that our authorities' stake on China may be a mistake.

      Kolomov is clearly a "Westernizer", so the PRC is like a sharp Faberge knife to him!
      you should not count on the fact that Chinese products will completely replace Western products in our market.
      So no one counts! But the West, until it gets out from under the heel of Uncle Sam, intimidated by the sanctions of the Ams, is not going to supply us with anything. Martian aliens are not yet visible on the horizon either, so Iran, China, North Korea will be our regular suppliers for now.
      the prospects for the reorientation of the Russian commodity market from the West to China also look ambiguous.
      And here it is - frank STUPIDITY ! Komolov doesn't see further "today"?
      Xi set the task at the 25th Congress of the CCP to return Taiwan to the arms of the motherland. And they will do it until the age of XNUMX! And the states will never impose sanctions on whales for SUCH?
      - Yes, Komolov is either down or pours water on the Yankee mill! Then the question arises: - Where will China get raw materials? If not with us, then with whom? Here we can already take full advantage of the situation, as cunning whales do today in relation to us!
      However, China still has not concluded a contract for the supply of gas.
      So the Power of Siberia-2 "has not been built yet. If they build it, it will be concluded. And so, for the first branch, the contract was signed in 2014 for 30 years (!) With an annual volume of 38-40 billion cubic meters. But for some reason Komolov prefers this keep quiet... am
      No, NOT ICE!!! So-so expert, custom ... No.
      1. +1
        28 October 2022 19: 08
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Oleg Komolov believes that our authorities' stake on China may be a mistake.

        Kolomov is clearly a "Westernizer", so the PRC is like a sharp Faberge knife to him!
        you should not count on the fact that Chinese products will completely replace Western products in our market.
        So no one counts! But the West, until it gets out from under the heel of Uncle Sam, intimidated by the sanctions of the Ams, is not going to supply us with anything. Martian aliens are not yet visible on the horizon either, so Iran, China, North Korea will be our regular suppliers for now.
        the prospects for the reorientation of the Russian commodity market from the West to China also look ambiguous.
        And here it is - frank STUPIDITY ! Komolov doesn't see further "today"?
        Xi set the task at the 25th Congress of the CCP to return Taiwan to the arms of the motherland. And they will do it until the age of XNUMX! And the states will never impose sanctions on whales for SUCH?
        - Yes, Komolov is either down or pours water on the Yankee mill! Then the question arises: - Where will China get raw materials? If not with us, then with whom? Here we can already take full advantage of the situation, as cunning whales do today in relation to us!
        However, China still has not concluded a contract for the supply of gas.
        So the Power of Siberia-2 "has not been built yet. If they build it, it will be concluded. And so, for the first branch, the contract was signed in 2014 for 30 years (!) With an annual volume of 38-40 billion cubic meters. But for some reason Komolov prefers this keep quiet... am
        No, NOT ICE!!! So-so expert, custom ... No.

        I also think that the article is weak and biased. And why did Mr. Komolov take that the bet is made exclusively on China. Does he not see the rest?
    20. +1
      27 October 2022 14: 14
      Post about nothing. The same can be said for any country. And the bet on China at the moment is out of hopelessness, well, there are no more such powerful and developed economies that are currently on the way with us. And we ourselves, unfortunately, over the years of entering the "international cooperation" have become completely dependent on imports.
      If, finally, our government remembers its function - the development of our own, and not foreign economies, then it will be possible to refuse to bet on anyone, but simply to conduct mutually beneficial trade with everyone who wants to.
    21. -2
      27 October 2022 14: 33
      You don't know Panikovsky yet! Panikovsky will sell you all, buy you, and sell you again, but at a higher price!

      We change "Panikovsky" to "China", "all of you" to Russia. The rest is unchanged.
    22. +3
      27 October 2022 14: 34
      The Chinese are not the ones to bet on. This is a very specific people. They, having perhaps the most ancient civilization, lived in self-isolation for centuries. They do not understand the word ally, they understand only their own interests. They can not be called aggressive, but what they need, they will pull out of the throat of anyone.
      1. +1
        28 October 2022 04: 10
        The oldest civilization among the Copts - the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. At that time, the nomads drove the Chinese with might and main.
    23. +3
      27 October 2022 15: 39
      There are so many mistakes of our government that there is nothing to be surprised at.
      Or maybe these are not errors, but purposeful actions?
      1. 0
        27 October 2022 15: 56
        Or maybe these are not errors, but purposeful actions?
        1. 0
          28 October 2022 09: 43
          So yes, although the author of the video in some places he twists and dissembles, that's not the point ...
          ... this is only a small part, on the topic of the day, but if you look closely, such traitors emerge in human history and everyday life so often that it pulls on the driving force of history
          1. 0
            28 October 2022 12: 29
            How else this video has not been deleted, and the author has not been banned ... It seems that people began to understand the situation. Even the hardened uryakls finally began to think about the "fish that is from the head" and about the "Danish kingdom". The only truth is that the author makes a mistake looking for a black cat in a dark room, and the truth is in complete unprofessionalism at all levels and in ... stupidity .. The Lake cooperative has remained a "cooperative". Alas... wink
    24. +2
      27 October 2022 18: 46
      To paraphrase the Internationale, let's say this: "No one will give us deliverance, neither God, China, nor a Hero ..."
    25. 0
      27 October 2022 21: 36
      Russia's bet on China may be a mistake
      Maybe; if this happens, it will not be the first and not the last mistake ...
    26. +2
      28 October 2022 04: 43
      Relying on anyone but your own industry and your people is always a mistake.
      All the country's reserves must be invested in its own industry. The necessary equipment can be purchased even from China, if it is not possible to produce it ourselves. After that, exports should be strictly limited to the needs of commodity imports.
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    28. -1
      28 October 2022 07: 55
      And the conclusion is simple: to minimize dependence and reorientation to anyone, it is necessary to ensure one's industrial independence as much as possible. Roughly speaking, as much as possible to produce everything you need for yourself. Starting from the extraction of raw materials and further to the final product. The only way
    29. +2
      28 October 2022 08: 38
      Why do we need to replace Western markets? It is necessary to sell exactly as much as is delivered towards.
      Secondly, if we order goods for ourselves for the entire amount of oil sold, then the economy in China will accelerate and resource consumption will increase.
    30. +1
      28 October 2022 10: 21
      Yes, China is not our friend, but our fellow traveler. However, the author did not bother to share his idea (does he have it?) With the reader where to orient the Russian economy. The West sent us and is at war with us, the East in the face of China is a mistake. Do the Arabs in the south need our oil?
    31. 0
      28 October 2022 10: 24
      Very real and true article.
      To the author plus.
    32. 0
      28 October 2022 12: 39
      "Barin! Catch your mind! But you can't get crazy without a mind!"

      .First you need to learn to respect and nominate to high posts not yard punks like Yeltsin, but the most worthy They will decide everything and think about everything in time. Are there such people among 140 million in Russia? Not ?-
      Neither China nor Valdai will help such a people .....
    33. 0
      28 October 2022 15: 46
      It is not simple can, this is the error. The memories of the 90s are still fresh when the hope for the West led to the collapse of the industry and again on the same rake.
    34. 0
      28 October 2022 18: 57
      A huge mistake was the destruction of the social bloc, the USSR and its industry "to enter Western civilization." Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. It all matured back in the 70s, in the so-called. "elites". And now we have to turn around. Without costs, of course, it will not work. Europe, by the way, also goes to the expense... We will have to trade with those with whom we can, but we must rely more on ourselves. And the economists who have bred in our capitalist society categorically do not accept this, because they do not understand.
    35. +1
      28 October 2022 20: 23
      Writing in letters, at least somehow you can understand. With writing hieroglyphs, you should be extremely careful. The unpleasant fact is that the Russians quarreled with the entire white race. Even Orthodox Serbs and Greeks are "friendly silent" ...

      And we still have the Internet, Windows, Android - they haven’t turned it off ... But they can! Not me - Kaspersky said, but she - in the subject. But here - a double-edged sword. By forcing us to switch to our own, the West is deprived of its best spy: "Electronic Chatterbox".
    36. +2
      28 October 2022 21: 59
      STOP. No one is betting on China, because:
      China himself makes bets
      its plays the game on its own.
      IMHO of course.

      Without consulting anyone.
      Due to the disproportionate size of economies,
      as well as the balance of trade turnover,
      The Russian Federation is not considered by China as a STRATEGIC ally.
      As tactical (in the form of a snack, yes).
      As a neighbor, China tries to maintain neighborly relations.

      We are like KFC at a gas station when traveling to St. Petersburg from Moscow time.

      There is - well, no, the next one has a burger king.
      Alas. My opinion.
    37. 0
      28 October 2022 22: 03
      China pursues only its own goals, and it is not going to take care of Russia. At the UN, he plays along with Russia, but this does not mean anything, it just teases the Americans ... It is very dangerous to turn your back on China and rely on it too ...
    38. 0
      29 October 2022 00: 34
      At the moment, we have no one else to rely on and no one will now sing "Russian - Chinese - brothers for a century". Currently. The state has no eternal allies, there are eternal interests.
    39. 0
      29 October 2022 12: 08
      Quote: ramzay21
      The People's Republic of China lives by its national interests and its national ideology!

      That's it! In order to really survive, we need to reform the state and the economy. We need a return to socialism, but with the preservation of small and medium-sized businesses, we need the nationalization of the entire raw material industry, the military-industrial complex, metallurgy, heavy engineering, shipbuilding, aircraft building, engine building, sea and railway transport, ports and airports, major banks such as Sberbank and VTB, airlines , communications, including the largest mobile operators.
      At the same time, it is necessary to change the rules for appointing to the posts of heads of state-owned companies and to nominate people only with specialized education and according to their business qualities. It is also necessary to reduce the cost of public administration dozens of times, to reduce from hundreds, and maybe thousands of times, the costs of buildings, residences and transport for members of the government, deputies, ministers, governors, and other leaders.

      The best evidence of the inaccuracy of your judgment is the inability of our state-owned military-industrial complex to solve the problems of supplying the army with modern weapons and equipment. And if you were even a little interested in these issues, you would know that the less the state interferes with business, the faster business solves the problems of the state! Our problem is not capitalism as such, but state bureaucracy multiplied by monopoly in all spheres.
    40. +1
      29 October 2022 12: 08
      The bet can only be on your own resources and capabilities. There is no room for error.
    41. -1
      29 October 2022 12: 31
      An article from the category "everything is gone." All statements that China is a skiff are unfounded, no references to serious sources. More than once I met similar stuffing in Telegram, and after a while they are exposed. There are no mistakes in relying on China, because it is difficult to resist the "collective West" alone. If we talk about mistakes, then the main "erroneous" is our leadership! The last 30 years have been blown away, and the last 8 of them have been especially “successful”, when it became clear even to the weak-minded that an armed clash with NATO awaits us. And now we collect UAVs all over the world, and first-aid kits for soldiers from grandmother's pensions!
    42. +1
      30 October 2022 15: 26
      Quote: iouris
      The bet can only be on your own resources and capabilities. There is no room for error.

      Indeed, if the richest country in the world thinks about who to "bet" on - this is strange in the highest degree. This is, in fact, a recognition of one's inadequacy.
    43. PC
      +1
      31 October 2022 13: 01
      Russia can only rely on itself. We have no allies, no friends, no partners. The extreme UN General Assembly clearly showed this. And what to expect from the Chinese ...
    44. 0
      9 December 2022 16: 48
      Is it not a crime to sell oil for export at dumping prices two times lower than market prices, as Russian oil companies headed by Novak are doing now?! Most Russians do not need petrodollars. It is necessary to reduce oil exports, as ours did with gas production, and Russian oil prices will immediately jump! And excess oil can be put on sale within Russia by lowering domestic fuel prices by lowering the excise tax on fuel. As a result, the decline in fuel prices will result in the growth of the Russian economy. The decline in world oil prices is due to Novak squandering Russian natural resources. In 20 years, oil in Russia will end. It is high time to reduce oil production in Russia and get off the oil needle.

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