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Serbia and NATO: woe to the vanquished

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Karel Schwarzenberg, First Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic, a country that had long recognized Kosovo’s independence, finally gave a clear definition of what everyone knew or guessed, but were afraid to speak out loud. Serbia is a country that suffered a defeat in the war with NATO. Now Western policy towards Serbia is determined by this fundamental starting point: the side that lost the war must pay the winner with resources and territories ... As they say, vae victis - the conditions are always dictated by the winners, and the vanquished must be prepared for any tragic turn of events. Schwarzenberg is extremely frank: “There is nothing new here. All is well known for a long time. Serbia must make progress on the Kosovo issue ... Everyone knows the conditions, there can be no concessions. I can only advise Serbian friends to make a clear decision and agree that it cannot be changed ... Serbia has lost the war. And in war, territories are often lost! ”(1)

Karel Schwarzenberg (born 1937) is one of the most influential politicians in Europe. Schwarzenberg - the oldest Austrian genus, known from the XII century. The most famous Adolf Schwarzenberg, field marshal, imperial count, in 1599, defeated the Turkish troops in the battle at the Rab fortress - it was the first victory over the Turks in Europe. And the current cohort of the European ruling elite, to which K. Schwarzenberg belongs, does not object to the idea of ​​giving the Balkans to Turkey "to be devoured." Karel Schwarzenberg spent many years in Austria and Switzerland, because the Schwarzenberg family had to leave after 1948, because their family was considered a symbol of German influence (more precisely, oppression) and feudal terror. After the suppression of the Prague Spring 1968, he actively took the side of the Czechoslovak dissidents, and between the 1984 and 1990 years. headed the International Helsinki Committee, his duties included registering human rights violations in the countries behind the Iron Curtain. Under President Václav Havel, he became the head of the office of the head of state (1990-1992). Among other things, Karel Schwarzenberg is considered the richest Czech politician, calls himself a Central European resident with a Swiss passport (Schwarzenberg already in the Middle Ages had Zurich citizenship, and Karel also has a Czech). Today, Schwarzenberg is the leader of the right-wing TOP09 party, which is a member of the ruling government coalition. 20 October this year. First Deputy Prime Minister of the Czech Republic and Foreign Minister Prince Karel Schwarzenberg made a policy statement as a candidate for the presidency of the Czech Republic ... (2) So are representatives of the oldest German ruling families of Europe, now acting as agents of expansionist projects that drive the peoples of Eastern Europe into poverty and lack of power, dictate the conditions of the winners to Serbia.

In this aspect, the five rounds of negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina (2011 in March-July) sponsored by the EU with US support are not even negotiations as such, because the Kosovo regime did not make any concession. This type of bilateral meetings in a narrow circle through international mediation (more precisely, guiding control) is rather a refinement of the conditions of post-war surrender of the Republic of Serbia. Why should the “three points” (Serbia’s recognition of acts of Pristina registry offices, personal documents and university degrees) be fulfilled? They have no settled legal status, are unconstitutional, not ratified by the Serbian parliament, and even not legally issued at all? And also the “agreements” added to them about the representation of Kosovo in international forums as an independent state and “integral” border management (which the West and Pristina unequivocally interpret as state borders)? We emphasize: these are unequal agreements, these are acts of unconditional and unconditional surrender, only extended in time after the defeat of Serbia.

In the new negotiations of Belgrade and Pristina the same line will be drawn with even greater rigidity. The NATO Center for Strategic and International Studies (Center for Strategic and International Studies) back in November 2011 in its report indicated the need to transfer the future Belgrade-Pristina dialogue from the “technical” to the political level with the achievement of specific results. Such items were proposed as the inclusion of issues on the north of Kosovo and the “border of Serbia - Kosovo” in the agenda; emphasis on “restoration” and ensuring the territorial integrity of Kosovo; conducting a general campaign to increase the international recognition of Kosovo, starting with five EU countries that have not recognized Kosovo; transition from "international supervision" to "development of the country"; the completion of the EULEX European Mission and the transition to the stage of functioning of the EU High Representative (EU special representative - EUSR), working in close contact with the US Embassy in Pristina; inclusion of Kosovo in the visa liberalization process; the beginning of negotiations with Kosovo on the signing of the Stabilization and Accession Agreement with the EU with the proposal of Pristina of the “road map” to the status of a candidate. (3) These items are systematically implemented, regardless of who is currently in power in Serbia.

Nigel Ferridge, the representative of the United Kingdom at the European Parliament, says: “All politicians in the Balkans are only doing someone’s tasks ... but the key issues are decided in Washington and Brussels, not in Belgrade ... and I find it funny when they ask me when the New World Order comes. Because he came a long time. Good or bad - look at the global situation. Is everything normal or is everything falling into the abyss? Decide for yourself. Serbia before the abyss! Serbian politicians are very intimidated and nervous, they don’t know where to get money ... The problem is that Serbian politicians do not take the trouble to solve something, they just ask Washington and Brussels what to do next instead of doing something themselves . Maybe the north of Kosovo will be Serbian. But hardly". (4) Daniel Server, for his part, indicates that Belgrade must take the responsibility of integrating the north of the province under the rule of Pristina, but "now we need to give the Belgrade authorities time to assimilate this idea." (5)

Meanwhile, Pristina sold the entire regional electricity distribution network of the Electroenergy Campaign of Serbia, serving 400 thousand users, to the Turkish concern Chalik and Limak for 26,3 million euros. (This fact was ignored by Serbian Energy Minister Zorano Mikhailovich, who did not hesitate to cause an international scandal and go for a one-way replacement of documents at the time of signing the Serbian and Russian gas pipeline contract. Moscow described the incident as a “scandal” (6)). Wesley Clark, the former commander of NATO forces in Europe, and now the head of the energy corporation Enviditi from Canada, requires a license for his company to research mineral deposits in Kosovo in order to produce synthetic oil from coal. The fact is that 76% of Serbian coal reserves (16 from 20 billion tons) are in Kosovo - these are the largest and most economical coal reserves in Europe in terms of their development. However, the production of oil from coal is a rather dirty technology that infects the environment, especially water. Nevertheless, the company Wesley Clark intends to produce 100 thousand barrels of oil per day. (7) The Albanian (Pristina) Privatization Agency has already illegally privatized a good half of 1 358 Serbian enterprises in the province, and without the consent of the owners. And this is euro billions! (8) And all these multibillion-dollar losses are not indicated in any way at the negotiations that have already begun in Belgrade and Pristina.

While I.Dacic is in talks with H.Tachi, the leaders of the Serbs of the north of the region (and they are the full party to the negotiations) refused to recognize the so-called. agreements on “integral border management” by sending a letter to the president and prime minister of Serbia and demanding to meet with them and familiarize them with the “platform for Kosovo and Metohija”. However, they are not heard in Belgrade yet. In general, the beginning of negotiations is characterized by complete unpreparedness of the Serbian side and therefore more like the surrender of positions in the "remote control" mode. That is, NATO’s military aggression against Serbia now has to be supplemented with withdrawal of a part of the territory and resources of this country as a contribution. However, the “winners” are still far from confident in the tacit agreement of the Serbs with the “legalization” of the withdrawal of Kosovo and Metohija. In the international legal aspect, the problems of the allies of Serbia remain Russia and China, they hold on, the north of the region does not surrender, and the overwhelming majority of Serbian voters voted for Tomislav Nikolic in the hope of changing the policy of Belgrade, primarily in the Kosovo issue.

Official, according to the canons of international law, the recognition by the Serbian authorities of the “independence” of the territory that was torn away from it by force of territory will be absolutely irreversible and destructive for the state existence of the Serbian people.




(1) http://www.nspm.rs/hronika/karel-svarcenberg-u-ratu-se-gube-teritorije-a-srbija-je-izgubila-rat.html

(2) http://www.praga-ru.com/izvestnyie-lichnosti/karel-shvartsenberg.html

(3) http://csis.org/files/publication/111110_Bugajski_TransatlanticApproach_web.pdf

(4) http://www.vestinet.rs/pogledi/naravno-nikad-vam-nece-reci-da-je-dosao-kraj-ali-srbija-je-pred-krajem

(5) http://srb.fondsk.ru/news/2012/10/20/daniiel-server-kluchna-reintegraciia-severa-kosova-sa-ostatkom-kosova.html

(6) http://www.nspm.rs/hronika/blic-nikolic-ljut-na-ministarku-energetike.html

(7) http://www.vaseljenska.com/vesti/otimanje-srpske-imovine-na-kosmetu/

(8) http://www.vaseljenska.com/politika/nova-faza-u-izdaji-srbije-poklanjanje-srpske-imovine-na-kosmetu/
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  1. bask
    bask 27 October 2012 15: 47
    +18
    In Serbia, NATO was the first, with complete inaction of the UN and EBN in Russia. It tested in practice the theory of the international gendarme terrorist No. 1 in the world. And Serbs can only sympathize with that blood and taken away historical lands. Russia is still not so strong as to help, Brothers . But time I think more will pass !!!! One march of the throws of our landing through Europe to Pristen and I remember ....
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 27 October 2012 16: 51
      +7
      Yes, it was their test of the pen on the collapse of the states, they stuffed a hand before climbing to us.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2012 17: 25
      +22
      Quote: bask
      In Serbia, NATO was the first, with full inaction of the UN and EBN in Russia

      And what could Russia really do at that time? There are a lot of problems in the country, full of debts, complete anarchy and a warrior in Chechnya. It’s now the country has risen, and then it was different. Maybe it was possible to do more who knows. Now it’s easy to judge. The time will come and NATO will answer for everything, the Islamists will wipe their feet about them in the geiropic itself.
      1. Su24
        Su24 28 October 2012 03: 25
        +10
        Russia then could have prevented the attack, this Yeltsin’s government surrendered our position in the Balkans.
        1. essenger
          essenger 28 October 2012 16: 23
          +1
          and what were Russia's positions in the Balkans then?
      2. AIvanA
        AIvanA 28 October 2012 11: 40
        +3
        Russia could have done it very efficiently, for example, to put 1 missile cruiser in the dock for repair and there wouldn’t have been any missile bombings, but in principle there were enough options, and the fact that NATO countries will answer for this is an undeniable fact.
    3. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 27 October 2012 17: 42
      +25
      Quote: bask
      One march of throws of our landing through Europe to Pristen and is remembered.

      By the way, then he commanded the dysantura, which escaped to Pristina, Yunus-Bek Evkurov, the current president of Ingushetia, a real Russian officer and man. Respect him.
      1. karbofos
        karbofos 28 October 2012 00: 55
        +8
        Not a Russian but a Soviet officer! real paratrooper! it’s necessary to write about such books in the textbooks, as a bomber of NATO’s Fofana’s landing assault struck soldier
    4. romanru4
      romanru4 27 October 2012 22: 13
      +19
      You can’t sit on two chairs at once, as Milosevic and Gaddafi tried to do. It is difficult to negotiate with such leaders about anything specific. They are like Figaro - now here, and tomorrow there. Assad did not engage in such garbage and received quite tangible support from Russia and China. I think that the lesson of Libya and Serbia, as well as their leaders, was not wasted for Assad. Russia has been waiting for a long time with its unequivocal position. Assad showed firmness in his intentions not to go on about the West and received from Russia something about which he did not plan, probably. Warships in Tartus embarked on combat duty and thereby barred any desire to compete with the Syrian authorities by NATO forces. But this is exactly what the entire opposition terrorist group counted on. Now their darling will decrease. It has already become clear to everyone, and even to NATO, that Assad will squeeze this situation in his favor.
      1. vikontas56
        vikontas56 29 October 2012 03: 17
        +1
        Milosevic did not sit on two chairs, he obeyed Chernomyrdin, sent by Yeltsin at the request of a friend of Bill. "Chernomyrdin betrayed Serbia, forcing Milosevic to stop resisting and surrender his positions! What happened after - everyone knows!
    5. nnz226
      nnz226 28 October 2012 11: 30
      +9
      Brothers were sold not only by the EBNT PrizeIdent and the UN, but also by their own leadership! The Serbs are the only ones in Europe who began to fight the fascists in World War II, without waiting for the Red Army to hide the Germans at Stalingrad (to actually fight, and not like the London Poles or de Gaulle's Khvrantsuz). They had experience fighting in their civil war during the collapse of Yugoslavia. And in spite of the bombing, we could have hung the NATO members at the very least, but the leadership surrendered. And he signed everything that was required from Belgrade. How does the aphorism say? "Every nation has the government it deserves!" So, unfortunately, "Woe to the vanquished!"
  2. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 27 October 2012 15: 50
    +17
    yes, they crucified Serbia in due time .. fuckers ... burn them with a bright flame ....
    1. Anti
      Anti 27 October 2012 23: 11
      +5
      They then sassed, the Serbs, it is still unknown who would get the upper hand.
      They had their own Gorbachev.
  3. buga1979
    buga1979 27 October 2012 16: 10
    -9
    I think they themselves poured their lands in the war. The Serbian army never dealt a single blow in return, but Toko defended.
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 27 October 2012 17: 05
      +2
      Guys (if men), and we have nothing to do with it? Flowers were collected.
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 27 October 2012 18: 26
      +3
      God forbid, if I'm wrong, but "NATO" is a pack of robbers and their henchmen persistently supporting their colonial being. And even the total destruction of statehood will not deprive them of genetic admiration for their past, it will push them towards parasitic prosperity in relation to other cultures and peoples. The fate of Serbia in this situation was a foregone conclusion and its rapid defeat in 1999 may have saved tens of thousands of Serbian lives.
      1. alexng
        alexng 27 October 2012 22: 28
        +12
        NATO can only fight with Kodla against small countries that are not able to fight back and with which they are guaranteed to win. And where they can pile on, they fight with the wrong hands. This one would die faster angry
    3. vikontas56
      vikontas56 29 October 2012 03: 25
      0
      The Serbs could and were ready to fight - when the separation of the warring parties began, the NATO troops were amazed to see that the Serbian technology, which they considered destroyed by bombing, was moving out of cover and leaving the front line! If it weren’t for the position of Yeltsin, who had listened to Clinton and betrayed Milosevic, it’s not known what it's over!
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 27 October 2012 16: 14
    +5
    but why does this leader Sahak not say "woe to the vanquished"? oh these double standards
  5. Ostwind
    Ostwind 27 October 2012 16: 25
    +4
    It’s a pity for the Serbs, and even worse, that Russia practically didn’t influence those events.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 October 2012 16: 31
      +9
      Quote: OstWind
      and even worse, that Russia had virtually no effect on those events.


      Write directly Serbs sold for IMF loan
      1. Ragnarek
        Ragnarek 27 October 2012 17: 54
        +6
        what does Russia have to do with it? The country's leadership was like that, and frankly speaking, Russia was not in that position to do anything
  6. ikrut
    ikrut 27 October 2012 16: 31
    +8
    Nothing. The time will definitely come and "collect stones".
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 27 October 2012 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: ikrut
      Nothing. The time will definitely come and "collect stones"

      So that we can safely start collecting stones, we must have at least four hundred Su-35s, the same 34th, three times as many Tu-160 and 22m3 with new avionics and new sighting systems of radar, electronic warfare and so on. Hyper sound wings of a rocket with a range of at least 1500 km in all directions and much more from conventional weapons, and most importantly, these are at least 6 aircraft carriers and, accordingly, 5 security ships each. And now, how long does it take to calculate the time and money for everything? Did you count it ?, and now relax, you and I will not live to see it.
      1. speedy
        speedy 27 October 2012 20: 34
        +7
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        ..counted ?, and now relax, you and I will not live to see this.

        Are you so old? Are you seriously ill? If not, then you will definitely live and see aircraft carriers, and missiles, and collected stones. More optimism, work and perseverance - we will succeed!
      2. Yura
        Yura 28 October 2012 09: 55
        +1
        The fewer those whom we can still help, the more and more powerful is the one who gathers forces for the last strike on Russia, which is almost inevitable and this is not necessarily direct military action (for example, the current situation in Syria).
      3. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 28 October 2012 20: 48
        +1
        cherkas.oe
        ... there must be at least four hundred Su-35s ...

        I’m afraid that in the end, as always, they won’t be given time to prepare, and the soldier with the rifle will decide everything when the exact bombs and missiles are over.
  7. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 27 October 2012 16: 54
    +10
    The fate of Yugoslavia and Serbia is a warning about what could happen to Russia.
  8. Maks111
    Maks111 27 October 2012 16: 55
    +3
    Daaauuuzhzhzhzh .... you do not envy the Serbs ((((
  9. Rossmk
    Rossmk 27 October 2012 16: 56
    +12
    Nothing. Time will pass, we will get stronger and help the brothers
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 27 October 2012 17: 34
      -6
      Quote: RossMK
      Nothing. Time will pass, we will get stronger and help the brothers

      Well done! grow big, big, faster.
    2. upasika1918
      upasika1918 28 October 2012 16: 31
      +1
      Dear RossMK. Well, I have no brothers there. No, no. There are former acquaintances who have grabbed and shed in the warm region. I do not write out of envy. Just information.
      1. Rossmk
        Rossmk 28 October 2012 18: 46
        +1
        Well, this is everyone’s personal business, how to relate to the Serbs. For me they are the fraternal Slavic people.
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 27 October 2012 17: 15
    +5
    Serbia and NATO: grief the vanquished devotees.
  11. sapulid
    sapulid 27 October 2012 17: 33
    +9
    Have you heard about the rallies in Serbia? Maybe you saw the mass protests of the Serbs?
    Why the hell should we have a headache for our next "brothers" if they don't care ...?

    They will fight, we can help if we are profitable. No, so let them swallow silently.
    1. v53993
      v53993 27 October 2012 18: 28
      +5
      It is necessary to be guided not by what is profitable today. And what will benefit our children tomorrow.
  12. v53993
    v53993 27 October 2012 18: 15
    +4
    Russia received a stab in the back, a treacherous blow. But we will recover from it. And woe to those who caused it to us from around the corner. And we will help the Serb brothers.
  13. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 27 October 2012 18: 38
    +7
    [b] Mouse tears will pour out to the cat ........................
    Truth will triumph! The executioners will get what they deserve!
  14. Bosk
    Bosk 27 October 2012 18: 41
    +6
    This victory is auknitsa .... strongly auknitsa.
  15. sapulid
    sapulid 27 October 2012 19: 08
    +17
    Minus for prvda, disgusting. Serbs do not want to do anything for themselves. Who do you want to help? Who is asking you this?
    Got it, "keyboard patriots hurray." You have to think with your head. HELP ONLY TO THOSE WHO ASK FOR HELP.
    It will be better for our children if our state pursues a policy aimed at increasing the welfare of our people.
    All other "brothers" can interrupt our alms, if we want to give them to them. Harsh, but this is the law of life.
    DO NOT TRUST, DO NOT FEAR, DO NOT ASK.
    Keeping these commandments has saved more than one million lives.
    Do you offer to send them help in the form of troops and weapons? Will they accept it? Do you want to fight for the return of Kosovo to Serbia?
    Go ahead, flag you in one place. You can buy a ticket to Belgrade freely. Only, I strongly doubt your heroism. Most likely, you, a pimpled skimmer, who never buried your friends and relatives.
    It is disgusting and disgusting to see "hurray-patriots" rowing heat with someone else's hands. War is exhausting work, keeping people in a state close to insanity ..
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 27 October 2012 19: 25
      +3
      Quote: sapulid
      Minus for prvda, disgusting. Serbs do not want to do anything for themselves.

      I agree with the sapulidwhat we climb with the offer of our help. We have our own sea problems and they need to be addressed.
    2. Havoc
      Havoc 28 October 2012 13: 14
      0
      Quote: sapulid
      Minus for prvda, disgusting. Serbs do not want to do anything for themselves. Who do you want to help? Who is asking you this?
      Got it, "keyboard patriots hurray." You have to think with your head. HELP ONLY TO THOSE WHO ASK FOR HELP.
      It will be better for our children if our state pursues a policy aimed at increasing the welfare of our people.
      All other "brothers" can interrupt our alms, if we want to give them to them. Harsh, but this is the law of life.
      DO NOT TRUST, DO NOT FEAR, DO NOT ASK.
      Keeping these commandments has saved more than one million lives.
      Do you offer to send them help in the form of troops and weapons? Will they accept it? Do you want to fight for the return of Kosovo to Serbia?
      Go ahead, flag you in one place. You can buy a ticket to Belgrade freely. Only, I strongly doubt your heroism. Most likely, you, a pimpled skimmer, who never buried your friends and relatives.
      It is disgusting and disgusting to see "hurray-patriots" rowing heat with someone else's hands. War is exhausting work, keeping people in a state close to insanity ..

      The overwhelming majority of people in Russia, and even here on the site, do not want to live according to the "concepts" as you suggest. Serbs are perhaps the last people in Europe who treat Russia with respect and love. And there is a lot of confirmation of this. You can express your liberal views by putting on a white ribbon, all this took place in 90. But you don't need to send troops, the Serbian army is one of the strongest armies in Europe, modern weapons, this is necessary, it was too easy for us to lose all allies around the world.
  16. Raptor75
    Raptor75 27 October 2012 19: 16
    +7
    We will help those who, not in words but in action, will fight for their independence. In reality, the Serbs didn’t hit finger on finger, but only screamed. Or should we fight for them, under their applause?
  17. Megatron
    Megatron 27 October 2012 19: 40
    +6
    Pianchuga-Yeltsin sold Serbia.
    And there were many of us who fought on the side of the little brothers, not for money, but for the idea.
    Evkurov well done, then and now.

    If this had happened now, a limited contingent would have been brought into Serbia, and no one would have touched them.

    What I do not like about Putin is only 2 things: Gaster greets and steals heavily. The rest is approx.
    1. speedy
      speedy 27 October 2012 20: 48
      +5
      Quote: Megatron
      Evkurov well done, then and now.

      Quote: Megatron
      What I don't like about Putin

      For your information: it was Putin who gave the command to Yevkurov to throw, and Yeltsin's representative tried to intercept the convoy half way. Evkurov sent a "representative" and did the job, did not allow the massacre of civilians ... and the Serbs remember that.
      1. Havoc
        Havoc 28 October 2012 13: 26
        0
        Quote: short-term
        For your information: it was Putin who gave the command to Yevkurov to throw, and Yeltsin's representative tried to intercept the convoy half way. Evkurov sent a "representative" and did the job, did not allow the massacre of civilians ... and the Serbs remember that.

        Do not confuse the heroic march of the "Pristinsky" battalion and the no less heroic raid of the GRU special forces, you at least read the chronicle of those events. I wonder which representatives Yevkurov "sent".
  18. Gipmol
    Gipmol 27 October 2012 19: 53
    +10
    Guys help us. I am from Transnistria.
  19. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 27 October 2012 20: 23
    +12
    We cannot be more Serbs than the Serbs themselves. Milosevic asked for both the EU and NATO. I was interrogated. The people were divided in half. Let them first define themselves. This is when the smell of fried fried, they shouted: "Russia help." And Russia at that time had no time for them. I remember how my heart was boiling.
    Quote: GIPMOL
    Guys help us. I am from Transnistria.

    There are generally Russians. They wouldn’t be given!
  20. Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka 27 October 2012 20: 36
    +5
    homosum20 Today, 17:05 ↑ 0
    "Men (if men), but we have nothing to do with it? We collected flowers."
    I don’t know how, but on the very first day of the war I and my friends called the Yugoslav embassy in Kiev and offered my services. They said that they would call back if necessary, but did not call back.
  21. Klin klinovv
    Klin klinovv 27 October 2012 20: 42
    0
    The real scar on our body.
  22. rexby63
    rexby63 27 October 2012 20: 42
    +3
    Schwarzenberg already in the Middle Ages had Zurich citizenship, and Karel also has Czech


    Interestingly, and Czech bloggers pour shit on him for dual citizenship?
  23. Megatron
    Megatron 27 October 2012 20: 48
    +4
    Czech bloggers, besides Russia and Serbia, are lying to somebody, they give shit to someone.
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 28 October 2012 15: 51
      0
      Our bloggers are already thinking Czech. They only dirty Russia with shit
  24. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 27 October 2012 20: 50
    +4
    Take a look at what's going on in NATO (European) countries A bunch of emigrants from Arab countries and Turkey. The Islamization of the Old Women -Europe is just around the corner. And NATO with a new green flag will be worse than today. It's good to understand and prepare even more carefully for defense. A European politicians either don’t see what they are doing, or whoever needs it. bought on the vine. They dig a hole for themselves. The example of Serbia is (more precisely, Kosovo), what happened, they don’t understand. If this policy is preserved, the fate of Kosovo in the future, many countries of Europe are waiting. Even the shaved ones will not get away, the Muslim diaspora there is large, and the Muslim radicals are there, as at home. Why, how, maybe at home ......
  25. avdkrd
    avdkrd 27 October 2012 20: 52
    +3
    In my opinion, the current Serbian government has spread its legs in front of NATO, the Kosovo issue lies to a greater extent on their conscience, there was only an indistinct mooing (how was it smeared into a united Europe), when the Kosovars created their army and police, everyone must fight for their territory forces, and not moo. And in general, it's time to decide - Europe is an enemy on an equal footing with the ASP, which has occupied their country or a benefactor, under whose wing a stub of Serbia wants to get into Europe. If the latter, then the flag is in their hands and nah of such allies, if the former, then it is in the hands of the Serbs to break Kosovo (into the Euro-flag), or rather restore constitutional order and prevent the illegal privatization of Serbia's property, and at the moment Russia will be able to ensure that the intervention of third countries is not repeated.
  26. nokki
    nokki 27 October 2012 21: 24
    +4
    Official, according to the canons of international law, the recognition by the Serbian authorities of the “independence” of the territory that was torn away from it by force of territory will be absolutely irreversible and destructive for the state existence of the Serbian people.

    And not only. This is a very serious step towards revising the territorial post-war system of Europe, enshrined in the Helsinki Accords. The process began in the year 1989, and now has reached a peak. Undoubtedly, this is a signal to the destructive forces in the Slavic world, as well as working out the political, economic and physical genocide of the Slavs with the help of a third force. Creating an arc of instability in the Middle East is a step towards destabilizing Russia. The Islamic world both directly and indirectly set us up. But there is also a Chinese map.
  27. andrey.shamay
    andrey.shamay 27 October 2012 22: 02
    +6
    In World War I, the Russian emperor rushed to defend the Serb brothers. And he lost everything, and the Russian people are still coughing up blood from the Bolsheviks. Then Stalin, who sent Tito to the kingdom in Serbia, said: “Tito will choke on his own vomit,” when he began to bustle between the USSR and the USA as a prostitute who pays the most. So this Austrian said correctly: “Woe to the vanquished!” And who wants to fight for the Serb brothers, so they hold a flag in their hands, a drum around their neck, and a steam locomotive towards them. These brothers love to give their defenders to the winners.
    1. Orik
      Orik 27 October 2012 23: 09
      +2
      Only Tito is not a Serb, but a Croat. Therefore, nothing strange in love for the West.
  28. Raptor75
    Raptor75 27 October 2012 22: 14
    +3
    The Serbs exchanged their country, their history, their independence and pride in their promises (not even a guarantee but promises, their mother!) To devour a warm European balance ... Serbia as a state does not exist and will soon be completely crushed. But the European Union is not even an hour and it will fall apart. Our little brothers will become useless and impoverished like gypsies. And I don’t feel sorry for them, they themselves chose their fate.
  29. VadimSt
    VadimSt 27 October 2012 22: 32
    +6
    What can I advise this Karel Schwarzenberg, imposing his vision of the issue on Serbia? Give the Sudetes to the Germans (after all, after the Second World War, the Germans were forcibly expelled from the Sudetenland), maybe then the head will change places again with an ass!
  30. Budilnik
    Budilnik 27 October 2012 23: 03
    +2
    Against this background (war in the Balkans) the European Union Peace Prize as a mockery of the Nobel and farce ...
  31. mazdie
    mazdie 27 October 2012 23: 12
    +1
    Loot rules the world, and a bunch of his priests ....
  32. NEMO
    NEMO 27 October 2012 23: 13
    +7
    the party losing the war must pay the winner with resources and territories ... As they say, vae victis - the conditions are always dictated by the winners, and the losers should be ready for any tragic turn of events.

    Yes that Serbia, Russia also lost the war - "COLD", and we paid for it both with resources and territories (yes, with which, 20 Serbia can be placed on them), we could not help Serbia, we ourselves were in the role of losers, that's confined themselves to political slogans. And Serbs-brothers and Ukrainians-Slavs look with whom it is more profitable to be now, and run there. Let us raise Russia, then the Slavs, brothers, and Turks, etc. will reach out to us, everyone will immediately remember "about the common centuries-old history" and about the "brotherhood of our peoples" and "good-neighborly relations" ...
  33. late
    late 27 October 2012 23: 28
    +3
    In general, one of the latest news from Telegraphist - the Russian ruble earned in Serbia, the ruble-dinar exchange without the mediation of the euro and the dollar, as with Ukraine, Belarus, China, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, it is planned that during the year the total volume of foreign exchange turnover between the countries will exceed one hundred million rubles. So it is not surprising that the pressure of the EU and NATO countries on Serbia will increase. In addition, Russia will build a railway network in Serbia (TELEGRAPHIST'S NEWS). I advise you to read!
  34. Megatron
    Megatron 28 October 2012 01: 20
    +4
    For your information: it was then Putin who gave the Evkurov a throw command

    And I seem to have clearly enough outlined my position, I am not against Putin, but against some of his distortions. It’s these Navalny-Nemtsov-Kasparovs who yell that it’s better that at least someone, even the devil, at least Satan, is important not to Putin. For me, Putin is better than this gang-brethren.
  35. Megatron
    Megatron 28 October 2012 01: 49
    +1
    In World War I, the Russian emperor rushed to defend the Serb brothers. And he lost everything, and the Russian people are still coughing up blood from the Bolsheviks. Then Stalin, who sent Tito to the kingdom in Serbia, said: “Tito will choke on his own vomit,” when he began to bustle between the USSR and the USA as a prostitute who pays the most. So this Austrian said correctly: “Woe to the vanquished!” And who wants to fight for the Serb brothers, so they hold a flag in their hands, a drum around their neck, and a steam locomotive towards them. These brothers love to give their defenders to the winners.


    I never agree. Why did the Russian Empire lose? Due to poor preparation for the war, poor technical equipment, theft in army structures. (What we have now)
    And of course, due to internal problems that spilled over into the Bolshevik movement.

    About Tito, everyone said above, for me.

    The Serbs exchanged their country, their history, their independence and pride in their promises (not even a guarantee but promises, their mother!) To devour a warm European balance ... Serbia as a state does not exist and will soon be completely crushed. But the European Union is not even an hour and it will fall apart. Our little brothers will become useless and impoverished like gypsies. And I don’t feel sorry for them, they themselves chose their fate.

    It turns out we also sold out, we deserved everything ourselves, and sold everything and everything.
    I think here you need to start with yourself, and not with the Serbs. Everything is almost the same now.
  36. AAA
    AAA 28 October 2012 06: 01
    +1
    Are we Serbs asking for help? No. So why are we beads tossing? There Montenegro has already jumped under NATO and no one asked us, so it will be with Serbia.
  37. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 28 October 2012 08: 46
    +1
    Before we remember, World War I began with the shots of the Srb radical radical Gavrila Princip. And that Slobodan needed to conclude an Agreement on Peace, Friendship and Mutual Assistance with Russia, and ask for this assistance when necessary. And the assistance was only 1 battalion. Which stood nearby. And NATO did not go to World War III, even then. But the Serbian rulers, then and now, have their own separate opinion about their integrity.
  38. buga1979
    buga1979 28 October 2012 12: 16
    +1
    buga1979,

    I didn’t understand why the minuses were instructed if you are beaten then you have to answer blow to blow and not wait until everyone is seated, now they’ll wait
  39. upasika1918
    upasika1918 28 October 2012 16: 17
    +2
    Everything is correct. History is written and rewritten by the winner. So it was, is and will be. Everything else is emotion. Hysteria and incantations ".. is not a real politician .." Economic and military power - that's the dreadnought on which diplomats should sail. Primakov turned the plane around. We got lost. They stepped over us. It happens. Serbia has been like a suitcase without a handle for 200 years. Finally got rid of. A bunch of politicians here and there have been solving their problems for 200 years at the cost of our blood. Basta. We need to solve our problems. Considering ONLY OUR INTERESTS. Everyone who wants to be with us should really help. We don't need calves that suck two queens. From America and the West we must take the example of doing business. No emotion. Only cold calculation.
  40. Stasi.
    Stasi. 28 October 2012 21: 06
    +4
    That's right, woe to the vanquished. To the Russians' credit, it should be said that despite the fact that the EBN and the entire government clique threw Serbia at the mercy of NATO, fearing confiscation of accounts and other goods available in the West, many Russian volunteers fought in the ranks of the Serbian army. I remember reading how one volunteer said: “The guys and I have repeatedly offered the Serbs - let's start a real sabotage war in the rear of NATO, we will blow up the barracks with pilots, warehouses with fuel and ammunition, because we fought so much, in Afghanistan, Transnistria and Chechnya, We have no experience in this matter. ”But the leadership of the Serbs categorically refused us:“ We must not aggress, we are fighting in a civilized manner. ”We have become civilized. But if you think about it, if the military-political leadership of Serbia took this step, the aggression would have drowned, the aerial bombardment would cease and the Serbs destroyed the Kosovars and brought law to order. And that's all, the winners are not judged. But even without this, time was playing against the Kosovars, the Serbs finished them off despite the bombing. Yugoslavia collapsed because the West threatened Milosevic to confiscate all of his accounts and property in the West. And Milosevic gave up. The consequences are known.