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Footage appeared on the network with the wreckage of the Ukrainian MiG-29, which was trying to shoot down the Geran-2 UAV

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Footage appeared on the network with the wreckage of the Ukrainian MiG-29, which was trying to shoot down the Geran-2 UAV

Recently, an air battle took place between a Ukrainian Air Force fighter and a kamikaze drone of the Russian Armed Forces. And now, footage of the wreckage of the Ukrainian MiG-29, which was trying to shoot down the Russian-made Geran-2 UAV, has appeared on the Internet.


They were presented by employees of the State Bureau of Investigation (SBI) of Ukraine.

The event in question took place at about nine o'clock in the evening on October 12 near Vinnitsa. Then the Ukrainian MiG-29, operating at night, was sent to intercept the UAV, but crashed to the ground. Thus, the first aircraft appeared on the account of the Russian Geraniums.

The day after the incident, blogger Yury Podolyaka presented his version of the reasons for the incident. He believes that the Ukrainian pilot, unable to visually assess the situation, was unable to control the aircraft due to a lack of qualifications. As a result, the MiG-29 had to make an emergency landing.


Recently, Russia has been massively using Geran-2 kamikaze drones to attack Ukrainian infrastructure. They create serious problems for the Ukrainian military, since these drones are extremely difficult to intercept using the air defense systems at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the incident near Vinnitsa showed that for combat aviation intercepting them is very difficult.


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  1. DenVB
    DenVB 27 October 2022 11: 04
    -28
    Strangely, there are still no shots of dozens of Ukrainian Su-25s shot down by Konashenkov.
    1. credo
      credo 27 October 2022 11: 07
      +20
      And what is strange for you here?
      We shoot down Ukrainian aircraft at a distance without entering the airspace behind the front line, so all the wreckage is in the territory controlled by Kyiv.
      1. VPK-65
        VPK-65 27 October 2022 11: 55
        +4
        And what is strange for you here?
        We shoot down Ukrainian aircraft at a distance without entering the airspace behind the front line, therefore all the wreckage in the territory controlled by Kyiv.

        For me, as a radar operator, it is somewhat strange that among those wreckage for the entire time of the NMD, I have not heard anything about downed heavy military transport aircraft. Here in 2014, the IL-76 filled up this fact. And now? Perhaps I missed something? Or are all goods delivered to the outskirts exclusively by rail? Do big politicians from NATO countries also come by armored train, or do they land at airfields near Kyiv?
        I am exaggerating: do we hit NATO or not, do air defenses have their hands tied or not (about large targets), is the sky over the outskirts closed or not? There is nothing to explain about the effective reflective surface of the "krupnyak", IMHO: they can be brought down for 300-400 km without looking ...
        1. businessv
          businessv 27 October 2022 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: VPK-65
          There is nothing to explain about the effective reflective surface of the "krupnyak", IMHO: they can be brought down for 300-400 km without looking ...
          It’s hard to disagree, but apparently they are ordered not to see and not to blame! You should go to an article just on this topic: https://vizitnlo.ru/chto-proisxodit-na-fronte-na-samom-dele/
          1. VPK-65
            VPK-65 27 October 2022 13: 17
            +3
            It’s hard to disagree, but apparently they are ordered not to see and not to blame!

            Thanks for the link, I'll read it at my leisure. As a matter of fact, I have the impression that "Malaysian Boeing Syndrome" has not yet been overcome. But if in 2014 the conflict on the outskirts was local, now long gone.
            This "birth trauma" must be washed away and forgotten. Radar operators should not give a damn about all civilian transponders (what do I care - even shaggy Johnson and Lisa fly purple from the track).
            There is only identification system own / worse. He answered the interrogator's request - it means his own, but no - someone else's, and then "blame" without looking. In the meantime, we will not bring down the transport workers, the supply of weapons will not stop. I am "tormented by vague doubts" that the Hymars with BC may not be imported by rail, but insolently by Boeing ...
            1. businessv
              businessv 27 October 2022 13: 36
              +2
              Quote: VPK-65
              I am "tormented by vague doubts" that the Hymars with BC are probably not imported by rail, but insolently by Boeing ...
              I don’t remember exactly where, but I read an article about the creation of a hub on the border of the Psheks with the Square, specifically for receiving and sending goods from all over the Western world. They will not take risks, only in the case of an iron contract. But on the independent - perhaps. Yes, and the bridges are still intact, the railway too, so there are a lot of delivery options.
        2. DenVB
          DenVB 27 October 2022 13: 27
          -3
          Quote: VPK-65
          I have not heard anything about downed heavy military transport aircraft.

          On June 4, near Odessa, Konashenkov shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane loaded with Western weapons. The brand of the aircraft was not specified. As usual, no one except Konashenkov saw the downed plane.
          1. VPK-65
            VPK-65 27 October 2022 13: 45
            -5
            As usual, no one except Konashenkov saw the downed plane.

            Konashenkov has his own audience lol

            On June 4, near Odessa, Konashenkov shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane loaded with Western weapons.

            You need to shoot down ALL planes: in real time (even those on the runway). And to shoot at them after 3 days with calibers is ...
            This is how the SVO began: we give "a certain number of days" so that they change their minds and ... we shoot at airfields. Did everyone fly to Poland, Romania, Moldova? Now let's go to the airfields, whoever didn't hide, I'm not to blame.
            And Konashenkov's reports on aircraft: how many were there at that airfield? thirty? so we write 30 ... and this is 30 calibers that hit the empty GDP. Hence the "unaccounted for" ...
        3. Normann
          Normann 27 October 2022 16: 25
          0
          You don't understand, they walk through forests, fields and swamps.
          The head of the CIA generally swam.
      2. DenVB
        DenVB 27 October 2022 13: 04
        -2
        Quote: credo
        therefore, all the wreckage is in the territory controlled by Kyiv.

        And Vinnitsa in what territory?
        1. VPK-65
          VPK-65 27 October 2022 15: 48
          0
          wreckage planes from Vinnitsa, Ukrainians can safely "share" with ... psheks:
          Vinnytsia (Mazovian Voivodeship) is located in Poland.
          Vinnitsa on the map of Poland
          20.931295
          52.642488
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Винница_(гмина)
    2. Pulkovo1942
      Pulkovo1942 27 October 2022 11: 08
      +6
      Either side is always trying to hide its losses and increase those of the enemy. These frames are Ukrainian side officially showed only for the reason that some man was the first to leak a video with wreckage and comments to the network.
    3. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 27 October 2022 11: 08
      +12
      but there are still no shots of dozens of Ukrainian Su-25s shot down by Konashenkov.
      ... for that he eats a bunch of removed corpses of APU fighters and mercenaries
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 27 October 2022 11: 31
        -6
        It would be better if there were reports from Konash about the successes in the advancement of our military. In turn, Ukrosmi is also full of pictures of the undermining of the Crimean bridge, the results of our retreats, incl. abandoned combat-ready T-90, which is now being studied by the Americans, and many others. others
        1. stelltok
          stelltok 27 October 2022 11: 53
          +3
          T90 already sold >1500 units worldwide. There is nothing to study there. Everything is studied hi
          1. Elephant
            Elephant 27 October 2022 15: 27
            -1
            Quote from stelltok
            T90 already sold >1500 units worldwide. There is nothing to study there. Everything is studied hi

            Breshete good. It is worth considering that the export options for the military industry are always different. It's like howitzers three axes without email. blocks...
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 29 October 2022 16: 46
              0
              Quote: Elephant
              Breshete good. It is worth considering that the export options for the military industry are always different. It's like howitzers three axes without email. blocks...

              You are no doubt right, and the comrade is in the heat of the moment. Understand and forgive. request
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 October 2022 11: 48
      +6
      Quote: DenVB
      Strange but frame with dozens of Ukrainian Su-25s, shot down by Konashenkov, are still not there.

      Well, hundreds of flyers have already plowed the ground with their noses and calmed down, but on Su- or Mig- what difference does it make to you? Dead canned NATO and thank God!
      And the shot down dozens of Ukrainian SUs voiced by Konashenkov are still flying in your brain? So this is the "heavenly hundred", but in reality - corpses. request
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 27 October 2022 13: 06
        -9
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        And the shot down dozens of Ukrainian SUs voiced by Konashenkov are still flying in your brain?

        The question is - did they fly anywhere except in Konashenkov's brain? After all, he managed to destroy four units of the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. Where could he do it?
    5. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 27 October 2022 11: 58
      +4
      Simply tebn iz-for a piece of fat, it is not visible.
    6. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 27 October 2022 12: 15
      +4
      Well, in front of you for photos and videos through forests and fields, can you return alive and deliver content? The Russian military has one hundred percent photo and video fixation, only we don’t need to arrange “overcomes” every day, it’s in your fashion, and if there’s nothing to brag about, you’ll figure out your fake day and night preparing them, otherwise the Ukrainians are without them immediately fall into a stupor if at least once they did not jump "for joy"
    7. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 27 October 2022 12: 24
      +2
      If you carefully read the material, then you probably noticed that the "frames" of the wreckage of the Kyiv rebels' MiG-29 shot down by the Russian Geranium, which fell on the territory controlled by them, were made by employees of the State Bureau of Investigation (SBI) of Ukraine.

      Having to the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which is represented by the gene. Konashenkov, the relationship is extremely distant ...

      And why this bureau "stubbornly does not present" the footage of the downed Su-25 Kyiv coupists, you need to ask him, and not Konashenkov ...

      In any case, elementary logic encourages this ...
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 27 October 2022 13: 02
        -1
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        In any case, elementary logic encourages this ...

        Logic has nothing to do with it.

        But common sense encourages to believe only what can be verified.
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 28 October 2022 12: 43
          0
          I would not tear, so boldly, logic from common sense ...

          Moreover, indirect, but quite OBJECTIVE verification tools, in this case, are more than enough ...

          The Armed Forces of Russia and allied forces, in the course of the SVYO, from the REAL activity of military aviation (including ground attack) of the Kyiv coup d'étatists suffer heavy losses? ... No? ..

          And why?.. If "dozens" of Su-25 Kyiv rebels are in "full health"?..

          Where is the VERIFIABLE evidence of their REAL activity?..
          1. DenVB
            DenVB 28 October 2022 16: 59
            0
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            Where is the VERIFIABLE evidence of their REAL activity?..

            I dont know. The question would be appropriate if I stated something about their activity.
    8. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 27 October 2022 13: 04
      +1
      Strangely, there are still no shots of dozens of Ukrainian Su-25s shot down by Konashenkov.


      Aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being struck over the territory of the enemy, and the enemy is in no hurry to please us with shots of his downed aircraft.

      But judging by the intensity of the use of aviation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they have very few aircraft left. This can be seen without filming debris on the ground.

      The same story with Bayraktars, in the first days of the war, when they began to be used, there were several videos on the network taken from their cameras, then it stopped, for the reason that these UAVs shoot down and shoot down quite successfully even before they can approach front, not even for a strike, but for reconnaissance.
    9. Fitter65
      Fitter65 27 October 2022 13: 14
      0
      Quote: DenVB
      Strangely, there are still no shots of dozens of Ukrainian Su-25s shot down by Konashenkov.

      You NEED to take pictures, especially considering that they, like this museum specimen, are falling closer and closer to Kuev ... So we are waiting, sir
  2. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 27 October 2022 11: 05
    -1
    The day after the incident, blogger Yury Podolyaka presented his version of the reasons for the incident. He believes that the Ukrainian pilot, unable to visually assess the situation, was unable to control the aircraft due to a lack of qualifications. As a result, the MiG-29 had to make an emergency landing.

    The fact, of course, is outrageous! He speaks about the level of training of pilots in the outskirts!
  3. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 27 October 2022 11: 06
    +6
    The news is stunning, and most importantly somehow on time. Not even two weeks had passed since the event. But even then they wrote that this was not the first Ukrainian aircraft that "fell at the hands" of Geranium.
  4. Buyan
    Buyan 27 October 2022 11: 07
    +1
    There and the road to the litaks of the outskirts. Minced dill
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 27 October 2022 11: 57
      +3
      Without clinking glasses drinks However, the question arises. And what will we shoot down when the kacals have something similar. They can collect from manure and sticks
      1. Plate
        Plate 27 October 2022 13: 11
        +3
        There is nothing to shoot down such things, as I understand it - too nimble and small. This is something no one is ready for. I think even the Americans would have nothing to shoot down.
        Well, that's why wars are sometimes carried out in order to understand how far the ideas in the headquarters have come off reality. They will form the requirements for an air defense system capable of fighting such massive kamikaze, give the terms of reference to the designers, they will roll out something ...
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 27 October 2022 14: 49
          +1
          Yes, it is necessary to revise the object air defense systems .. Of our impulses, I think the Shell can. But we need a very serious radar capable of detecting such a target
          1. Plate
            Plate 27 October 2022 18: 39
            +1
            The shell can, but at the final stage of the flight, when there are just seconds left. Not sure if everyone will react. So the first direction of a serious air defense modernization is automation, I think. So that automation could open fire without the permission of a person. I agree about the radar. The UAV is small and flies far. I would like to pinpoint them for kilometers.
  5. Elephant
    Elephant 27 October 2022 11: 19
    +1
    The entire Vinnikaya region is within the reach of Russian air defense. I don’t think that in the dark the ukrosalet was strongly pressed to the ground. And in general there are questions to the closed sky ...
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 27 October 2022 12: 01
      0
      Well, on the issue of a "closed sky", the results are visible - an "opener", apparently of the wrong system, on earth in the form of a pile of debris!
      And before that, the "geranologist" on the eve of the 29th was also shot down, so we are "closing" ... A single unsuccessful flight with a fall, probably still a "closed sky"!
  6. Stepan S
    Stepan S 27 October 2022 11: 21
    +6
    Blogger Yury Podolyaka outlined his version of the reasons for the incident. He considers,

    Well, yes, of course, if Podolyaka himself thinks so. An expert in all fields of science, such a know-it-all, like most Ukrainians. Referring to Podolyaka in an article on VO is a strong move.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2022 11: 23
    +1
    A little off topic, a little.
    Today Satanovsky told on the radio that the famous Iranian UAVs Geranium and Geranium 2 were developed in the 2000s ................... in Ukraine!
    How did it turn
  8. Mwg
    Mwg 27 October 2022 11: 23
    +6
    This was already on the VO, then they wrote that the plane used an air gun from a short distance and the fragments of the UAV hit the air intake, from which the plane lost control and fell.
    The phrase in the article "The other day there was an air battle of a Ukrainian Air Force fighter against a kamikaze drone of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" made me laugh. It is interesting how the author of the article imagines such an air battle.
    "- This, it seems, is your first experience in prose? Congratulations! “The waves rolled over the pier and fell down like a swift jack ..." Well, you made the “Captain’s Bridge” good! The “Bridge” will not forget you for a long time, Lapis.
    - What's the matter?
    — The fact is that... Do you know what a jack is?
    "Of course I know, leave me alone...
    - How do you imagine a jack? Describe in your own words.
    “Such... Falls, in a word.”
    1. Mitrich73
      Mitrich73 27 October 2022 11: 27
      +1
      Air defense units are fighting by shooting down missiles and UAVs? So in this case, the plane flew to intercept, which is a sortie with the use of weapons.
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 27 October 2022 11: 32
        0
        Based on your logic, you can equally well say that the UAV was shot down in an unequal battle by Zelensky personally. So what? he is the commander in chief and commands the battles, and there are so many of these UAVs, and he is alone. So the fight is uneven. And you can also write that Biden personally shot down the UAV. So what? Biden commands Zelensky
        1. Mitrich73
          Mitrich73 27 October 2022 12: 12
          +1
          My logic is simple - the plane took off to repel an air attack, found the target and used weapons on the target, that is, fought. The features of the Geran-2 UAV did not allow the fighter to hit the target without consequences. Everything else that you have written is an artistic whistle.
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    2. Uprun
      Uprun 27 October 2022 11: 33
      0
      And it looks more like a ram, but it’s not clear who rammed whom ...... About shooting a drone from a cannon, it’s like a sparrow from a cannon ....., there remains one plausible version - a ram .....
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 27 October 2022 11: 39
        +1
        "About shooting from a cannon at a drone, it's like from a cannon at a sparrow ..." - no, in general. Wingspan - about 2,5 m, length - about 2 m - a fairly large target to hit at close range. By the way, right now I understood why the pilot could come close - for confident aiming at the target. And so: leveled the speed, approached from behind, gave a turn. And all
        1. Uprun
          Uprun 27 October 2022 11: 50
          +1
          On a fighter in flight, I equalized the speed to a corn maize ......, I'm not a pilot, I'm not familiar with aerodynamics, but ........ can an airplane do this .... A Boeing flies at a speed of 900 km / h , then once the pilot in manual mode dropped to 120 km / h ...
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 27 October 2022 11: 59
            +1
            "... but ........ can an aircraft do this ..." - the landing speed of the MiG-29 is 235 km / h, the speed of the loitering ammunition is about 200. You can catch the moment.
            1. Uprun
              Uprun 27 October 2022 12: 24
              +2
              So I caught .................... that very moment ......, then the earth ...... Here you need an ace, not Udvas ..... (based on the movie "Heavenly slug".
  9. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 27 October 2022 11: 25
    +2
    The day after the incident, blogger Yury Podolyaka presented his version of the reasons for the incident. He believes that the Ukrainian pilot, who does not have the ability to visually assess the situation, was unable to control the aircraft due to a lack of qualifications.
    I respect Yuri, but I think it's not about the pilot. It's just that "Geran-2M" entered production, with a tail defensive turret! laughing wassat
  10. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 27 October 2022 11: 28
    0
    As I understand it, Geranium-2 has two functionalities, on the map and an operator, well, or 2 modifications, since I saw a photo in the media - a torn self-propelled gun and it was written about the blow of Geranium-2
  11. Azerbaijani_Game
    Azerbaijani_Game 27 October 2022 11: 35
    -1
    Anti-aircraft artillery installations do not reach the "Mini" UAVs of similar sizes.
    Now mini UAVs fly at altitudes up to 3500m. For larger UAVs of the Aerostar / Searcher type, they even rise to 5-6 thousand meters
    Expensive air defense missiles like BUK / Nasams and others to spend on such targets is to remain practically with a bare ammo, when literally 10 minutes later the shelling of missiles begins.

    We need mini rockets with ARGSN, without the need for illumination, or optical guidance. On operational mobile chassis.
    So that the radars standing at a distance only detect targets and transmit azimuths, the rest of the missiles themselves were made independently. So that immediately after launch, its own active seeker is activated. As a family of Israeli complexes Barak.
    Missiles there after the launch do not depend on target designations until the very hit of the target. There are short, medium, and long range missiles (MR, LR, ER).
    Yes, someone will laugh, but we see that the TOR, that the OSA, etc. on both sides of the front do not cope normally.
  12. alexniko77
    alexniko77 27 October 2022 11: 50
    +2
    the hero of the outskirts made a night ramming "geranium" laughing