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Anti-aircraft missile in pursuit: the use of the Su-35 fighter as an attack aircraft is shown

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Anti-aircraft missile in pursuit: the use of the Su-35 fighter as an attack aircraft is shown

Pilots piloting Russian combat aircraft and rotorcraft provide invaluable support to ground combat formations, destroying enemy forces at the risk of their lives in the face of constant enemy anti-aircraft opposition. However, in some cases, the specifics of the application of technology raises questions.


A video appears on the network, which shows the bombing of a Russian Su-35S fighter. In this case, the defeat is carried out from an ultra-low altitude - the plane passes almost over the heads of enemy soldiers. After working on the target, the car goes beyond the horizon from the turn, but the MANPADS operator launches a missile in pursuit of the Su-35. In this case, the loss of the aircraft was avoided, but sometimes enemy anti-aircraft fire leads to less favorable consequences.

The Su-35S is a highly maneuverable fighter, and its use as an attack aircraft, dropping FAB-250 bombs at the edge of the earth, raises questions. When equipping a fighter with high-precision weapons it is capable of effectively suppressing targets tens of kilometers away without the risk of losing the crew and expensive equipment without entering the anti-aircraft countermeasures zone. According to a number of observers, the lack of mass production of high-precision glide bombs prevents the adequate use of both the Su-35 and other combat vehicles.

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  1. AdAstra
    AdAstra 26 October 2022 14: 59
    +33
    It's good that the rocket did not catch up. And so there are no words alone "having no analogues in the world."
    1. Maxim G
      Maxim G 26 October 2022 15: 04
      +54
      A glide bomb, or URVP, is a good sighting system, and the pilot would not risk himself or the aircraft by completing the task.

      And so there are no words, as in the Patriotic War with the Su-2 they bomb. crying
      1. cold wind
        cold wind 26 October 2022 15: 10
        +25
        Quote: Maxim G
        A planning bomb, or URVP, is a good sighting system, and the pilot would not risk either himself or the aircraft while completing the task

        Well, someday we will catch up in this matter ... Azerbaijan.


        The photo shows different variants of QFAB, the conversion of Soviet FABs into guided bombs. Presented sometime in 2014. Successfully used with the Su-25, fought in Karabakh.
        1. stelltok
          stelltok 26 October 2022 15: 32
          -24
          Well, someday we will catch up in this matter ... Azerbaijan.

          And what did you mean by that?
          Here at RF
          New gliding guided bomb "Thunder"
          https://topwar.ru/143518-kompleks-raketno-bombovogo-vooruzheniya-grom-modulnost-i-tochnost.html
          https://dfnc.ru/c106-technika/novaya-planiruyushhaya-upravlyaemaya-aviabomba-grom/
          1. aars
            aars 26 October 2022 15: 42
            +25
            New gliding guided bomb "Thunder"
            Why not a kit for the modernization of free-falling FABs like the Azerbaijanis and Americans?
            To make more money?
            And how many are there?
            Why are they not applied?
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 26 October 2022 19: 41
              +1
              Beautiful video. Sorry for no sound.
              And he shot the traps in time - three seconds before the rocket was launched
            2. Novic2U
              Novic2U 27 October 2022 11: 57
              -1
              Not why, but why not apply.
              Available ammunition is used and intended for decommissioning according to storage periods. That is, they are recycled.
              1. victor50
                victor50 27 October 2022 13: 10
                +5
                Quote from Novic2U
                Not why, but why not apply.
                Available ammunition is used and intended for decommissioning according to storage periods. That is, they are recycled.

                Such ammunition can be disposed of in Syria or in similar places. In Ukraine, more modern and high-precision would be in place.
              2. petrakimov
                petrakimov 28 October 2022 07: 20
                +4
                No matter how such disposal leads to the disposal of the VKS along with old bombs ... Pah-pah-pah ...
              3. svoroponov
                svoroponov 28 October 2022 08: 55
                +1
                There, self-guided parachute bombs were dropped on a convoy of equipment. And he did the right thing that he went to this dump at low altitude. Reset with shooting traps and with a turn behind the forest belt to disrupt the missile guidance.
                Taking into account the range, altitude, maneuver and speed of the receding fighter, the missile went nowhere. Moreover, the operator could not stand the time of about 5 seconds to capture the target with the head and simply shot in that direction.
                1. JD1979
                  JD1979 28 October 2022 10: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  And he did the right thing that he went to this dump at low altitude.

                  Yeah, right))) because there is no other way out. With such a nomenclature of ammunition of the last century for working on the ground. I would like to ask a "Drill" hde? Just against the columns of equipment.
                  1. svoroponov
                    svoroponov 28 October 2022 19: 54
                    0
                    There are two types of delivery of Drill-type ammunition. A rocket with a cassette and aircraft such as the Su-24, Su-34 and now the Su-30 is also visible. Once again, with such a maneuver in these specific given circumstances, the chance of hitting the car is low. The pilot took this into account at the beginning of the attack. Guys, it’s not young lieutenants that are flying there now, but pilots, probably not lower than 1st class with not very low flight training and experience in using aviation weapons.
                    1. JD1979
                      JD1979 28 October 2022 20: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      There are two types of delivery of Drill-type ammunition.

                      Well, in general, only one product can have such a name, otherwise there will be confusion. And this is PBK 500u SPBE (it seems, I could be wrong)
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      Once again, with such a maneuver in these specific given circumstances, the chance of hitting the car is low.

                      Yah? But it wouldn’t be lucky and suddenly the calculation of the MANPADS would turn out to be just to the side where did it go? And yes, the distance was already more than 1 km, and maybe 2. so I just left the affected area. And next time you might not be lucky.
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      The pilot took this into account at the beginning of the attack.

                      Yah? again, did he know where and how many calculations were sitting?
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      Guys, it’s not young lieutenants that are flying there now, but pilots, probably not lower than 1st class with not very low flight training and experience in using aviation weapons.

                      There is a very good phrase: even an old woman gets a hole. Even very experienced pilots were shot down by no less experienced anti-aircraft gunners from an ambush.
                      1. svoroponov
                        svoroponov 29 October 2022 15: 05
                        0
                        The column moved along the strip, side by side. And if there were an operator with MANPADS in that lane, then the board was very close for him, the ability to see him was limited and aiming was difficult or impossible.
                        Well, as for the rest, yes, anything can happen. But there is just a case, and on the other hand, there is a calculation against this case. And if you rely on cases, what will possibly be shot down, so why not fight? Once again as a pilot, the probability of being hit under such conditions was low.
                  2. svoroponov
                    svoroponov 28 October 2022 20: 02
                    0
                    There ammunition is just with the choice of target. Passed on small and explosions only after a certain time. Ammunition chose targets by dropping down on parachutes. Such videos were already here somewhere, only this ammunition was dropped by the Su-24 along the column.
            3. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 28 October 2022 18: 10
              0
              Specify the cost of these kits and compare with the cost of "Hephaestus", which allows you to throw cast iron with almost the same accuracy
          2. insafufa
            insafufa 26 October 2022 16: 57
            +17
            New gliding guided bomb "Thunder"
            so it has not yet been adopted
            The simplest thing is to install a fairing and a correction block from a daredevil mine with GPS or a Glonas module on the Fab, to adapt it to work with the Amitekovsky block, in case of a miss, the system will correct and hit. Thunder still misses by unacceptable values. Actually, the daredevil could be adapted as a corrected fab, he only needs to put a Glonass module instead of a laser radiation receiver, accuracy can be ensured within a couple of meters, it’s a pity that Vishnevsky died, let the earth rest in peace to him.
            1. Timur_kz
              Timur_kz 26 October 2022 20: 07
              +8
              A daredevil is like an impulse correction, wings are more appropriate here, why invent when everything has already been invented and tested before us ... Amer jdam. And impulse correction will be more effective on high-speed projectiles, or rockets, from the same hail or tornado.
          3. storm
            storm 26 October 2022 22: 32
            -1
            At the moment, it is assumed that the main carriers of the Thunders will be Su-34 front-line bombers

            The solid-propellant starting engine provides a flight range of up to 120 kilometers, when a bomb is dropped from a height of about 10 thousand meters. At the same time, the accelerating engine allows the bomb to perform an energetic turn after launch, which allows it to be dropped from a large angle to the target, and even when the target is in the rear hemisphere of the carrier aircraft. In the second and third versions, without the use of an engine, the maximum range of the bomb is 65 kilometers.

            In all versions, "Grom" has an inertial guidance system, supplemented by a satellite navigation system.
          4. ramzay21
            ramzay21 26 October 2022 23: 25
            +25
            Here at RF
            New gliding guided bomb "Thunder"

            This is somewhere at exhibitions and shows. But the realities in which the Su-35, worth several thousand of these bombs, is trying to throw off the FAB-250 like the Il-2 70 years ago, and the pilot who did this had an order to do this, and only because the Aerospace Forces do not have bombs about which you speak.
            Our pilots fight like heroes, but their heroism is the result of the crimes of others, such as Shoigu and Chemezov.
        2. Maxim G
          Maxim G 26 October 2022 15: 41
          +12
          Here the Su-25 is not needed, the Yak-130 is behind the eyes.

          However, what am I talking about.
          And Azerbaijan also has Italian yaks in service.
        3. Johnson Smithson
          Johnson Smithson 26 October 2022 15: 49
          +12
          someday we will catch up in this matter ... Azerbaijan

          Russia already has guided bombs for 10-15 years, television, laser, GPS
          the question is in mass production, not in development
          1. aars
            aars 26 October 2022 15: 52
            -16
            Like the Azerbaijanis or those who have no analogues in the world?
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              2. tikhonov66
                tikhonov66 27 October 2022 13: 50
                0
                Verily!
                - how sick of all these couch "X-farts", just bursting from the significance of their stupid judgments.
          2. begemot20091
            begemot20091 28 October 2022 05: 00
            +1
            don't believe me? Ratsuhu for KAB 1500 TK and KAB 1500 LK received shaggy back in 1980. tongue
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          1. aars
            aars 26 October 2022 20: 21
            0
            Russia is in no hurry to test a new bomb
            “Drill” is an aerial bomb, the development of which in Russia was resumed in 2015 and was called the “Russian answer” to the American JDAM and JSOW. JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) is a set of equipment that converts existing free-falling, so-called "stupid" bombs (dumb bombs), into all-weather adjustable "smart" (smart) ammunition. The first set of this equipment was released in 1997 by Boeing. The AGM‑154 JSOW (Joint Standoff Weapon) tactical gliding guided bomb, designed to destroy a wide range of stationary and mobile targets outside air defense zones (the fire-and-forget principle), was developed by the Defense Systems & Electronics division of the American company Texas Instruments.

            Work on the creation of the PBK-500U, which has been ongoing for almost 20 years, has been suspended several times due to the introduction of a domestic navigation system, according to which the projectile is oriented. But at the end of 2018, NPO Bazalt, which is part of Tekhmash, announced its readiness for mass production of this bomb after the completion of state tests.
            They have been doing it for twenty years and, unlike the Azerbaijanis, they have not done anything like that.
            They probably don't exist at all.
            1. svoroponov
              svoroponov 28 October 2022 09: 20
              0
              ,, Drill ,, have already been adopted. Somewhere about a year ago they wrote about it. In general, planning bombs have a height limit for use. And often, due to the enemy’s air defense and the location or movement of the target, they cannot be used or you need to go to a closer distance.
              In the video - reaching the target - a column of equipment along it, approaching at low altitude, forest belts limit the timely detection and guidance of MANPADS, and leaving to the side of the forest belt to limit the reduction of the sides from where the rocket can fly. , especially since they can do this when the targets (armored vehicles and vehicles) are on the move.
              Such maneuvers are discussed many times during discussions in preparation for departures and summarizing the results and are practiced in practice, including taking into account the characteristics of MANPADS and the ability to deal with them based on the capabilities of these types of aircraft. So the risk is justified.
            2. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton 2 November 2022 11: 02
              0
              You've already tired of writing the same thing. Change the words a little
          2. Kaufman
            Kaufman 27 October 2022 09: 35
            +7
            Where are all these bombs? Why don't we use
            1. igork735
              igork735 27 October 2022 11: 49
              +4
              In a warehouse, behind other prodigies that have no analogues in the world, they fell into a corner.
            2. svoroponov
              svoroponov 28 October 2022 09: 33
              +1
              They use what is most appropriate in a given theater of operations. We are simply not informed about much that is used from weapons.
            3. Alien From
              Alien From 28 October 2022 12: 05
              +1
              In the same place as one and a half million "warriors"
          3. AdAstra
            AdAstra 27 October 2022 09: 57
            +9
            We are constantly talking about "lower cost", and then "why not in the troops? Expensive!"
        5. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 26 October 2022 23: 03
          +18
          [Forwarded from War Informant]
          [Album]
          https://t.me/milinfolive/92475

          And these are the exercises "Great Prophet-17", in which the "old men" of the Su-22 VKS IRGC dropped high-precision planning bombs of the Yasin family, capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 50 kilometers, without entering the zone of destruction of the air defense system.

          The Iranian Air Force's heavily outdated Su-22s are equipped with the latest guided bombs with a range of more than 50 km. Such modernization allows them to hit targets pointwise without entering the air defense coverage area.

          Thus, in a hypothetical combat mission to destroy an enemy object, the Iranian Su-22 will cope better and more efficiently than the advanced 4+ generation Su-35 fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces, because the Persian will be armed with modern bombs, while Russian aircraft, unfortunately, are armed with relics of the Second World War. world war.
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 28 October 2022 09: 53
            0
            And who illuminates the target for him? And what will an aircraft with such bombs do when a target appears in some place when the current situation changes or a new target appears where there is no illumination? For example, ground intelligence reported the appearance of armored vehicles in such and such a square. To use laser-guided bombs, you need someone to highlight the targets. This is either an UAV or someone from the ground or another board that should get closer to the targets. This time.
            In the meantime, organize, the target will leave or hide.
            In general, in the reasoning, I see, there are a lot of patriotic people but without real knowledge about the state of affairs, especially in the course of modern hostilities, the capabilities of technology and the methods and tactics of its use, as well as the possibilities and tactics of using
            aviation weapons.
            For everyone - ,, Everything is bad and we will all die tomorrow ,, and ,, Everything was stolen before us and nothing was left for us, this is only suitable for children. It's time to stop with this.
            1. Andriuha077
              Andriuha077 28 October 2022 15: 28
              0
              If the target is moving, then having sowed the entire sky of the enemy with Orlans, thereby ensuring an instant response, transmit the changing coordinates to the bomb several times, accurately laying out the segment of the train or column movement with the desired type.
              The Pentagon notes that Orlan-10 is usually used by a "flock" of three UAVs. The first UAV conducts optical reconnaissance at an altitude of 1-1,5 km, the second UAV performs the function of electronic intelligence or electronic warfare, the third UAV in the distance plays the role repeater connections for the first two. Any UAV can work as a channel repeater for the rest. There is a version of "Orlan-10" as repeater R-187-P1 and R-168MRA radio stations protected from electronic warfare as part of the ESU TK, which makes it possible to radically increase the range of communications resistant to electronic warfare.
              Different configurations of UAVs can conduct surveillance in the optical and infrared ranges. "Orlan-10" can automatically determine the position of the included GSM-phones, VHF communication stations, operating radars in the x-band.
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Орлан-10#Целевые_нагрузки_Орлан-10
              You will need enough of them to permanently cover the depth of the entire area. For the desired grid and flow, count the number of devices, for example, 10-20 thousand instead of 1 thousand.
              Enemy opposition is very welcome and serves to detect air defense, with immediate elimination by the same means.

              https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/194
      2. Evil 55
        Evil 55 26 October 2022 15: 45
        +9
        Expensive model for an attack aircraft. hi
        1. Maxim G
          Maxim G 26 October 2022 15: 59
          +3
          The Yak-130 is the cheapest thing that can be adapted for military operations in Russia.

          Su-25s are all old already, they will fly for some time, and then ...
          1. Andrey_Ivanovich
            Andrey_Ivanovich 27 October 2022 11: 25
            0
            the engines are rather weak for a good bomb load, although I read there is an option with more powerful engines, with a load or not, I don’t know, but they can bring the Yak130 to supersonic.
            1. Maxim G
              Maxim G 27 October 2022 11: 33
              0
              The load is standard for such aircraft.
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 26 October 2022 18: 14
          +8
          Is it really with the "Rooks" the lack of al is completely bad .. hi

          And there is a simple answer to both of your questions: "Yes!"
          And even worse. And the trouble with the pilots ...
        3. svoroponov
          svoroponov 28 October 2022 09: 57
          -1
          There are simply no air targets, and the plane can also work on the ground. So why not get involved? The development of practice and tactics in the conduct of hostilities is worth a lot.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 26 October 2022 15: 05
      +32
      Hmm .. As an attack aircraft, an aircraft that can strike without entering the air defense zone ... What is this? Stupidity, bordering on a huge risk.
    3. unhappy
      unhappy 27 October 2022 09: 40
      +1
      Capturing a target takes time, but here they shot "offhand", this is the mistake of the MANPADS operator.
      1. Comet
        Comet 27 October 2022 16: 11
        +1
        A MANPADS missile does not launch if its seeker does not lock on to a target. In this case, the target was in a maneuver with shooting IR traps. Most likely, either the missile captured the trap, or there was an escort failure due to the target's maneuver and the firing of IR traps.
  2. Jackyun
    Jackyun 26 October 2022 15: 02
    +15
    The author is an amateur? With such a low flight altitude and such a high vehicle speed, the MANPADS seeker simply did not have time to reliably capture the target. The pigs, apparently, fired a rocket without even waiting for the capture signal and ran to clean their bloomers.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 26 October 2022 15: 07
      +10
      And the accuracy of hitting the target was? recourse ""
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 26 October 2022 15: 10
        +11
        Yesterday's video from the cart. You can't hear the sound signal of target capture. They just shot after it. There is no defeat there.
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 26 October 2022 15: 12
          +2
          I'm talking about bombs hi """" Otherwise, why is this "hussar" or how else can this be called?
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 26 October 2022 15: 38
            +16
            This is not the initiative of the pilot. I received an order and flew. The question is to the one who gives such orders.
            1. AdAstra
              AdAstra 26 October 2022 17: 25
              +8
              Here I am about "who gives orders" hi
        2. solar
          solar 26 October 2022 19: 08
          +6
          as long as there is no target acquisition, the stinger cannot be fired.
      2. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 26 October 2022 15: 15
        -7
        What is Target Accuracy?
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 26 October 2022 15: 19
          +5
          I’ll write well in a different way - the target was hit by bombs, at “At such a low flight altitude and such a high speed of the machine,” as they wrote above? That's better?
          1. Andrey Moskvin
            Andrey Moskvin 26 October 2022 16: 09
            +2
            Sorry, I didn't read what was written in a hurry. hi
    2. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 26 October 2022 15: 12
      +23
      Well, not always. So the Su-34 was shot down on March 5 over Chernigov from MANPADS in pursuit due to the fact that the crew descended to a low altitude in order to accurately aim the bombs.
      It's always a roulette game.
    3. Dost
      Dost 26 October 2022 20: 22
      +4
      So I immediately thought: Let it go to the Ukrainian, maybe, without cooling, without capture. Yes, and there are doubts that this is a MANPADS. But in order to use Su as an attack aircraft, well, it’s not a noble thing to crawl around the field on your belly.
    4. Comet
      Comet 27 October 2022 16: 12
      0
      Quote: Jackyun
      The author is an amateur? With such a low flight altitude and such a high vehicle speed, the MANPADS seeker simply did not have time to reliably capture the target. The pigs, apparently, fired a rocket without even waiting for the capture signal and ran to clean their bloomers.

      Without target capture, the GOS ZUR MANPADS will not start.
      1. svoroponov
        svoroponov 28 October 2022 10: 16
        -1
        Not certainly in that way. When you put the Stinger in combat mode, you have 30 seconds to launch the rocket and during this period you can launch it (in the hope that the head will take it on its own if time is limited. This is suitable for helicopters, due to the low speeds of movement, and the possibility their hitting the capture zone - usually a lead shot). To capture a target such as an aircraft with a rocket head, it is necessary to hold the marker on the target for about 5 seconds before launch. If it is less, then the rocket will start, but the hit is not guaranteed due to the failure of the capture.
        Therefore, operators are trained taking into account the solution of these problems.
        1. Comet
          Comet 29 October 2022 12: 51
          0
          Quote: svoroponov
          Not certainly in that way. When you put the Stinger in combat mode, you have 30 seconds to launch the rocket and during this period you can launch it (in the hope that the head will take it on its own if time is limited. This is suitable for helicopters, due to the low speeds of movement, and the possibility their hitting the capture zone - usually a lead shot). To capture a target such as an aircraft with a rocket head, it is necessary to hold the marker on the target for about 5 seconds before launch. If it is less, then the rocket will start, but the hit is not guaranteed due to the failure of the capture.
          Therefore, operators are trained taking into account the solution of these problems.

          And how is the INS provided before the GOS target is captured after launch? If it takes 5 s to capture in the target tracking mode by the operator (zero angular velocity of the target relative to the seeker), then how can these 5 s be ensured in the accelerating and cruising sections of the SAM flight in the presence of high angular velocities?
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 29 October 2022 14: 57
            0
            There, the head has its own sector. And if the target’s speed is low, then after the launch and the target hits this sector, it allows the rocket to steadily capture itself.
            In any case, this is how we were told about the Stingers. Based on such opportunities, we learned to develop counteraction by maneuvering the board, including using traps, to get out of the attack.
            1. Comet
              Comet 29 October 2022 20: 48
              0
              Quote: svoroponov
              There, the head has its own sector. And if the target’s speed is low, then after the launch and the target hits this sector, it allows the rocket to steadily capture itself ...

              The speed of the target doesn't matter. The angular velocity of the line of sight of the target is important. To capture the GOS, 5 from zero angular velocity of the target's line of sight is required. The GOS is arrested along the line of sight of the sight, and the position of the target in the sight is monitored by the shooter. After capturing the target, the arrow is given a signal, and by the second pressing of the seeker, it is unlocked and proceeds to independent target tracking. How to ensure all this after the launch of missiles?
              1. svoroponov
                svoroponov 30 October 2022 09: 34
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                The Stinger has several modes. One of them allows you to launch and the rocket head, already in flight in a certain sector, continues to search for a contrasting thermal target in 2 infrared and ultraviolet ranges for some more time in seconds. Previously, it was only in infrared, but after Afghanistan they added and the second channel, which makes it possible to reduce the effectiveness of thermal fired traps. Although the composition of the traps is already different in response to this measure. In addition, because of this, the missiles in a certain narrow sector may be retargeted. But I just can’t say that the Stingers are already modified or the stocks of the old ones are being cleaned up. Rather, the second, since the Ukrainians have a lot of complaints about the impossibility of launching due to the discharge of missile batteries. And changing them on rockets is still that crap. Expensive and after replacement, additional adjustment of the rocket is necessary in a specialized workshop (it is at the rocket manufacturer)
                1. Comet
                  Comet 19 November 2022 20: 00
                  0
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  The Stinger has several modes. One of them allows you to launch and the rocket head, already in flight in a certain sector, continues to search for a contrasting thermal target in 2 infrared and ultraviolet ranges for some more time in seconds. Previously, it was only in infrared, but after Afghanistan they added and the second channel, which makes it possible to reduce the effectiveness of thermal fired traps. Although the composition of the traps is already different in response to this measure. In addition, because of this, the missiles in a certain narrow sector may be retargeted. But I just can’t say that the Stingers are already modified or the stocks of the old ones are being cleaned up. Rather, the second, since the Ukrainians have a lot of complaints about the impossibility of launching due to the discharge of missile batteries. And changing them on rockets is still that crap. Expensive and after replacement, additional adjustment of the rocket is necessary in a specialized workshop (it is at the rocket manufacturer)

                  Not quite right.
                  1. UV channel is an attempt to work in the direction of the Sun or an interference channel on IR traps outside the direction to the Sun. The main target channel is IR. The UV channel appeared back in Afghanistan at Stinger POST.
                  2. IMO, the Ukrainians are stirring up something. In all SAMs, the launch of onboard power is carried out only after passing the "Start" command ("Start enabled"). And the passage of this command is possible only when the GOS is accompanied by a target or if there is a flight mission in the INS SAM.
                  3. IMO, sending "to the factory" to replace the battery is related to the accepted logistics.
                  4. It is possible to start the MANPADS missiles in case of failure of the capture during the launch process (launch procedures). But in flight, the GOS will not capture anything on its own; in the SAM, MANPADS are not INS.
                  1. svoroponov
                    svoroponov 21 November 2022 09: 51
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                    I shared what I, as a fighter pilot, was told about the Stinger if I had to work at low altitudes. This was many years ago. So yes. In addition, it is effective against helicopters as less maneuverable and low-speed aircraft, with more difficult aircraft. There are maneuvers near the ground when attacking by a fighter, when the Stinger cannot be captured, and even if there is a launch, it will be of little effectiveness. And if the board approaches at low altitude in areas with wooded areas and forest belts, then if there is no notification to the operator about the approach of a fighter, then there will be no shot. It just doesn't have time to react. Trees muffle the sound of an aircraft flying at low altitude. True, the pilot is also given a time limit to hit the target.
  3. Toucan
    Toucan 26 October 2022 15: 03
    +25
    Well, yes, you can hammer nails with a microscope ... sad
    1. Il'nur
      Il'nur 26 October 2022 16: 24
      -15
      microscope nails

      What does the "nail microscope" have to do with it? Since this type of aircraft and weapons were involved, it meant that there was a military need, it was necessary to destroy the target, and the Su-35 turned out to be within reach ...
      You bomb badly, you don’t bomb badly again ... What the Su-35 was used for is not for us to evaluate by "couch"!
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 26 October 2022 16: 45
        +18
        Quote: Ilnur
        it is not for us to evaluate the "sofa"!

        why? why then be on the site at all, except not: - express your opinion and listen to someone's opinion, is it very competent?
        1. Il'nur
          Il'nur 26 October 2022 16: 50
          -8
          why so

          Of course you can, but taking into account your competence and including, at least, logic, and not hysteria, considering yourself a "great military expert" ... And if you read many comments, then many here consider themselves "great military experts" ...
        2. Il'nur
          Il'nur 26 October 2022 21: 44
          -10
          express your opinion and listen to someone's opinion

          Here, they basically don’t “express their opinion”, but “let a whisperer in”, quietly minimise, without expressing their opinion ...
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 26 October 2022 22: 06
            +11
            enough of the most different, in fact .. that's what communication is all around and should not share the same point of view .. right? frankly, I don't like your position
            Quote: Ilnur
            What the Su-35 used is not for us to evaluate by "sofa"!

            And why don't we evaluate that it is wrong to bomb with FABs from modern technology in the conditions of the enemy's active air defense? yes, maybe it’s because there are no managed ones, for some reason, but this is wrong .. that’s why the people are indignant .. and in general the expression “they know better there”, personally evokes an association in me: “but why should we argue, we don’t have any universities finished, we are peasants, they, the boyars know better. , that's why it is communication, everyone has a different approach ..
            1. Il'nur
              Il'nur 26 October 2022 22: 41
              -3
              and people are outraged

              I agree with you, "I personally am not ready, without a doubt, to believe that someone is right, just because he is the" boss "" ...
              Yes, "the people are indignant", and this people, lying on the couch, knows the whole situation, why was the Su-35 used in this case, although before that the Su-25 was used?
              I am also indignant - why the USSR was destroyed, a drunken wrestler was brought to power (Muscovites carried it in their arms), they created oligarchic capitalism, a raw material appendage of the West, they destroyed industry, the dominance of liberals at all levels of government, as well as incompetent people who did not think about the development of Russia , but about our pocket and about our well-being, so we are reaping the benefits that we entered the NWO not quite ready, that we have to fight with a "nail microscope" ...
              1. victor50
                victor50 27 October 2022 13: 22
                +8
                Quote: Ilnur
                so we are reaping the rewards that we entered the NWO not quite ready,

                To what degree of incompetence does everyone who made the decision need to sink in order to start "not quite ready"? Or again "we are not supposed to know everything, but THERE you know better"?
            2. petrakimov
              petrakimov 28 October 2022 07: 33
              +4
              Correctly! And in general, this plane was built with our money and we have every right to know who, how they use what we entrusted to them and how justified such use and our trust in them! If we cannot participate in fateful meetings, then at least here we have the right to express our opinion and assess what is happening. I agree that you can only evaluate what you know well. So we try to expand our horizons on this topic. Otherwise, I would have sat only on the forum of climbers and tourists.
        3. Ded60
          Ded60 27 October 2022 15: 49
          -6
          Everyone has the right to express their opinion, namely "their opinion". And then, through one, they declare this "their opinion" as the ultimate truth - "you must do this and that, but not do it this way." As the classic said: ".... to give some advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity." They have some meager information, and the conclusions ..... There, at the forefront, at headquarters, at the controls - levers - rudders, in the trenches everyone is completely amateurs and "eff. managers". And in the General Staff and the Kremlin, in general, everyone is illiterate (specialists are all rubbing here).
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 27 October 2022 17: 40
            +2
            Do you understand, for example, how an artist paints a picture - nuances - I don’t know .. how to mix paints, like strokes / contours / background, etc. apply .. artists know this .. but I don’t need to know this in order to evaluate - a normal picture or avno .. you know what I mean? to give advice on exactly how to attack, with what forces or where, it’s stupid, you really need to know the whole situation .. and in order to evaluate the result and general trends, you don’t need to know its “secrets” - it’s already visible and understandable - if you think about it ..
            1. Ded60
              Ded60 27 October 2022 18: 17
              -1
              It's like that. Key words "if you think about it". If you think that some system is being tested in combat conditions that allows you to bomb high-speed aircraft with night vision devices at high speeds. In Syria, for example, "Hephaestus" was tested. And how do you like the An-26 bomber? This "cuttlefish" in the sky is clearly visible, but they are trying it for some reason. Even the An-2 was turned into a bomber. Well, etc. I do not exclude someone's bungling or someone's bad dashing, but .... giving peremptory assessments "from the couch" is the same bad dashing.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 26 October 2022 15: 06
    +11
    The use of such machines in such an application is simply a crime!
  5. dnestr74
    dnestr74 26 October 2022 15: 07
    +11
    The launch was clearly without capture, of course .. And so utter nonsense
    1. solar
      solar 26 October 2022 19: 47
      +2
      The Stinger cannot be fired without locking onto a target.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 27 October 2022 09: 00
        0
        The Stinger cannot be fired without locking onto a target.

        You can. So they shoot, after the shot, the GOS captures the target itself.
        1. solar
          solar 27 October 2022 09: 40
          +2
          they never shoot like that, there is a blockage that does not allow a launch before the target is captured.
          Not to mention the fact that the Stinger has equipment for identifying friend or foe.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 27 October 2022 11: 03
            +3
            friend or foe, and we have it on the Needles, which does not prevent our equipment from being shot down.
            they never shoot like that, there is a blockage that does not allow launching before the target is captured

            On the Stingers, you press the trigger for the first time: the battery turns on and argon gas enters the seeker cooling matrix, if the target is captured by the missile guidance head, an audible signal and vibration on the control stick are given, after that you press the trigger a second time and a shot occurs.
            If the target acquisition did not happen, you still press the trigger a second time and shoot in the direction of the target, with the hope that the missile will capture the target itself.
            If the shot does not happen, the battery is discharged, there is no argon gas for the next shot either, and the stinger turns into firewood that is not capable of firing. Therefore, it is pointless to set a blockage.
            1. Comet
              Comet 27 October 2022 16: 18
              0
              Quote: glory1974
              friend or foe, and we have it on the Needles, which does not prevent our equipment from being shot down.
              they never shoot like that, there is a blockage that does not allow launching before the target is captured

              On the Stingers, you press the trigger for the first time: the battery turns on and argon gas enters the seeker cooling matrix, if the target is captured by the missile guidance head, an audible signal and vibration on the control stick are given, after that you press the trigger a second time and a shot occurs.
              If the target acquisition did not happen, you still press the trigger a second time and shoot in the direction of the target, with the hope that the missile will capture the target itself.

              The GOS ZUR MANPADS does not have a target search mode. If the GOS did not capture the target before the start, then it will never find it.
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 28 October 2022 11: 00
                0
                The GOS ZUR MANPADS does not have a target search mode.

                ?
                If the GOS did not capture the target before the start, then it will never find it.

                You contradict yourself. That is, the GOS still has a target search mode.
                GOS is a "homing head", that is, it is guided by itself. And it is programmed for such a mode, for this they make it.
                If the missile did not lock on before launch, it may lock on after launch.
                What's more, she can lock onto a target and then retarget a heat trap.
                Or it can go into the sun, because it itself is induced during the flight. And it is induced by thermal radiation.
                Therefore, they shoot from ambush. When there is no time to aim, they shoot in the direction of the expected arrival or in pursuit.
                1. Comet
                  Comet 29 October 2022 11: 18
                  0
                  Quote: glory1974
                  The GOS ZUR MANPADS does not have a target search mode.

                  ?
                  If the GOS did not capture the target before the start, then it will never find it.

                  You contradict yourself. That is, the GOS still has a target search mode.

                  The GOS ZUR MANPADS does not have a target search mode. The GOS MANPADS captures the target in a caging position along the line of sight of the target, which is set by the shooter. The shooter holds the target in sight and accompanies it to capture the seeker. After capturing the target, the GOS is unlocked and independently accompanies the target. The GOS cannot independently search for the target of the GOS SAM MANPADS.

                  Quote: glory1974
                  GOS is a "homing head", that is, it is guided by itself. And it is programmed for such a mode, for this they make it.
                  If the missile did not lock on before launch, it may lock on after launch.

                  GOS ZUR MANPADS cannot capture the target after launch. Capture after launch is possible only if there is a target designation and an INS on board the SAM. In the case of MANPADS, there is none of this. Moreover, without target acquisition and tracking by the MANPADS missile seeker, the guidance error is unknown, and therefore the missile stabilization system cannot work.

                  Quote: glory1974
                  What's more, she can lock onto a target and then retarget a heat trap.
                  Or it can go into the sun, because it itself is induced during the flight.

                  Maybe. In 2017, AIM-9X in Syria went to IR traps. I had to let AIM-120.
                  Quote: glory1974
                  And it is induced by thermal radiation.
                  Therefore, they shoot from ambush. When there is no time to aim, they shoot in the direction of the expected arrival or in pursuit.

                  Without target acquisition, MANPADS do not fire before launch.
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 31 October 2022 09: 46
                    0
                    GOS ZUR MANPADS cannot capture the target after launch.

                    Maybe. In 2017, AIM-9X in Syria went to IR traps.

                    Again, I didn't understand you.
                    So maybe after the launch the rocket can be aimed or can't it?
                    Without target acquisition, MANPADS do not fire before launch.

                    Where did you get such data?
                    The laws of physics are the same for everyone, so our "Needles" are arranged according to the same principle.
                    After turning on the MANPADS, you have 10-15 seconds to aim at the target. If you do not launch after this time, the MANPADS must be sent to the factory to replace the battery and gas cylinder. Therefore, the launch is carried out with the expectation of pointing the rocket to heat on its own.
                    Therefore, no launch blocking system exists in nature; it is not needed.
                    1. Comet
                      Comet 19 November 2022 19: 35
                      0
                      Quote: glory1974
                      GOS ZUR MANPADS cannot capture the target after launch.

                      Maybe. In 2017, AIM-9X in Syria went to IR traps.

                      Again, I didn't understand you.
                      So maybe after the launch the rocket can be aimed or can't it?

                      SAM is aimed at the target after launch. The capture of the target of the GOS SAM MANPADS is carried out before the start of the SAM.
                      Quote: glory1974
                      Without target acquisition, MANPADS do not fire before launch.

                      Where did you get such data?
                      The laws of physics are the same for everyone, so our "Needles" are arranged according to the same principle.
                      After turning on the MANPADS, you have 10-15 seconds to aim at the target. If you do not launch after this time, the MANPADS must be sent to the factory to replace the battery and gas cylinder. Therefore, the launch is carried out with the expectation of pointing the rocket to heat on its own.
                      Therefore, no launch blocking system exists in nature; it is not needed.

                      Misconception about the sequence when launching the MANPADS missiles. In fact:
                      1. The SAM launch procedure is launched only if the MANPADS SAM seeker is tracking the target. For the operator, this is the presence of a constant sound and light alarm. If there is no tracking of the target of the GOS SAM, then the procedure for launching the SAM does not start regardless of the position of the trigger.
                      2. In the event that the launch procedure is not started due to the lack of target tracking of the GOS SAM, only the ground power source (GPS) is subject to replacement, which is replaced in the field.
                      3. If in the process of performing the procedure for launching an SAM, a target tracking failure occurred, then the SAM will start, but its GOS cannot perform any independent search and capture of the target. SAM after the start will flop to the ground no one knows where.
  6. Uprun
    Uprun 26 October 2022 15: 08
    +4
    Campaign, now the flyers and "experts" will trample, we tankers will only drown for / against the T-62 .... Here specific knowledge is needed, experience and expert opinions of the "couch" .... And the guy is well done, he did the job, and the plane didn’t kill ..... Chkalov was also often scolded for being an air hooligan ....
    1. cmax
      cmax 26 October 2022 15: 58
      +19
      Quote from uprun
      Campaign, now the flyers and "experts" will trample, we tankers will only drown for / against the T-62 .... Here specific knowledge is needed, experience and expert opinions of the "couch" .... And the guy is well done, he did the job, and the plane didn’t kill ..... Chkalov was also often scolded for being an air hooligan ....

      Of course, where the sofa is up to you and the commanders of such pilots. The pilot, of course, well done, and the rest ..... If, for example, you have an apartment on the 4th, 5th or 6th floor, you get there by climbing along the facade or, nevertheless, by stairs or elevator. So here, an aircraft worth more than about 1 billion rubles drops a couple of cast iron from the Second World War instead of strikes with guided weapons at a safe distance. Guys, it's already the 21st century, stop yelling. Already sick.
    2. Yura
      Yura 26 October 2022 16: 08
      +1
      Working out actions in combat conditions, followed by analysis and recommendations for the future, besides, he could receive fresh target designation data at the last moment (for example, there is such an option - just received information from intelligence), and his feint turned out to be as unexpected for the enemy as same efficient. Everything in life happens for the first time.
      1. victor50
        victor50 27 October 2022 13: 26
        +1
        Quote: Jura
        besides, he could receive fresh target designation data at the last moment (which is, for example, such an option - just received information from intelligence),

        How will you fit the suspension of free-falling bombs into your theory? Also unexpectedly hung up, what was at hand? Why didn't it turn out to be high-precision?
        1. Yura
          Yura 27 October 2022 13: 59
          -1
          I don’t enter anything in any way, your question is not at all on the topic of my comment, but
          The Su-35 armament includes a whole range of air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, as well as unguided rockets and bombs of various calibers. The fighter is also equipped with a GSh-30-1 30 mm cannon (ammunition - 150 rounds). The Su-35 is equipped with turbojet engines with an afterburner and AL-41F1S thrust vector controlled in one plane.
  7. Konnick
    Konnick 26 October 2022 15: 08
    +6
    After working on the target, the car goes beyond the horizon from the turn, but the MANPADS operator launches a missile in pursuit of the Su-35. In this case, the loss of the aircraft was avoided, but sometimes enemy anti-aircraft fire leads to less favorable consequences.

    Less than 10 seconds to capture the target did not allow the use of MANPADS as it should. It was possible not to launch a rocket, they showed up for the video, and as a result, they wasted an expensive karamultuk.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 27 October 2022 09: 03
      +3
      This is how they act in ambush. It is difficult to aim at low altitude. Therefore, from the side from where the aircraft comes in, they report that the target is approaching and the launch is made in that direction with the expectation that the GOS itself will capture the target. With a certain skill, they shoot down planes flying at low altitude.
      So the dushmans in Afghanistan did it, so did the militants in Chechnya.
  8. AdAstra
    AdAstra 26 October 2022 15: 10
    +24
    Why such news? To pride was "how can we"? But for some reason, this does not cause me pride, but at least bewilderment, but it’s not worth writing about the maximum.
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 26 October 2022 15: 29
      +10
      So the author is just wondering why the super-expensive, unparalleled aircraft in the world is used as an ordinary attack aircraft with bombs.
  9. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 26 October 2022 15: 11
    +8
    such tactics are not from the "good life"!
    1. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 26 October 2022 15: 17
      +16
      Is this a tactic? This is the strategy of the absurd.
  10. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 26 October 2022 15: 14
    +14
    Well well!
    An expensive and scarce fighter, of which about a hundred throughout the country, is used as an attack aircraft over the battlefield.
    Probably in the West they laugh at such shots.
    Where are the attack UAVs? For example, type "Scat"?
    Where are the modern attack aircraft like the Su-39?
    That's right, there is neither the first nor the second.
    Here we have what we have...
  11. Normann
    Normann 26 October 2022 15: 16
    -4
    Probably the pilots and their command know better how to use the aircraft.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 26 October 2022 15: 21
      +7
      It will be tough and cruel, but then there is no need to be indignant in the comments "loudly and furiously" why our pilots were not exchanged during the next exchange.
  12. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 26 October 2022 15: 18
    +9
    According to a number of observers, the lack of mass production of high-precision glide bombs prevents the adequate use of both the Su-35 and other combat vehicles.

    Exactly! Exactly! And then they staged dances with a tambourine around the SVP-24 Gefest aviation sighting and navigation system, shouting "We no longer need high-precision planning bombs!"
    "Russian "Hephaestus" terrifies NATO and ISIS" "Free Press" January 13, 2016. or "How Russia saved on high-precision warfare" "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" January 11, 2016
    US and NATO military experts are amazed at the accuracy with which Russian aircraft hit targets in Syria ... RG
    Dancing, having fun...
    Well, I told you!
    fool
    1. Johnson Smithson
      Johnson Smithson 26 October 2022 15: 55
      -1
      Russia does not have money for the mass production of high-precision weapons, which is why Hephaestus was invented.
      Even the Yankees in Iraq quickly used up high-precision bombs and switched to conventional ones, while our military budget is 12 times less than the American one, 5 times less than the Chinese one, even less than India and England.
      Plus, high-precision weapons need electronics. China, for example, has invested $1,5 trillion in its chip factories, and it still lags far behind the West. In principle, we don’t have that kind of money, this amount is like the entire budget of Russia in general.
      We must proceed from what we can really do, and not dream about the unrealizable, so they make compromises, such as Hephaestus.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 26 October 2022 17: 17
        +10
        Quote from Johnson Smithson
        Russia does not have money for the mass production of high-precision weapons, which is why Hephaestus was invented.

        There were 114 billion for the serial production of IL-50 in 2016. And where are the serial IL-114s? On "Poseidon" in 2015, there was some. And where are the Poseidons? No money, no results. This is me on the little things.
        Quote from Johnson Smithson
        Plus, high-precision weapons need electronics. China, for example, has invested $1,5 trillion in its chip factories, and it still lags far behind the West.
        So China did not have these factories 30 years ago. And we had. And 20 years ago, there were specialists with the competencies for quick recovery. Were. But someone didn't want to. Why should we be sorry now, when only crumbs are left of the former greatness? They themselves are to blame.
        Quote from Johnson Smithson
        We must proceed from what we can really do, and not dream about the unrealizable, so they make compromises, such as Hephaestus.
        Eh no! There is a fundamental difference between us. I am of the opinion that we should proceed from what we really want and cannot. If we proceed from what we can today, then this is a northern fur animal. But because someone still "can" steal from the state budget without any responsibility for what they have done. This one will hit Hephaestus. Compromises, such as Hephaestus, are understandable, but you should not be proud of it. You need to understand that this is not an achievement, and cancer is not a lack of fish. As a summary: Only the one who gets out can get out of the anus, and not the one who is well fed in the anus, and not the fatalist who was afraid of difficulties.
      2. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 26 October 2022 18: 20
        +7
        In principle, we don’t have that kind of money, this amount is like the entire budget of Russia in general.

        That you are not looking for money there!
        We must look in the pockets of the plunderers of the bowels and the heritage of the USSR!
        Shake the governors a little ... The leaders of Russian Railways, Gazprom, Sberbank, Rosneft, ... And then Russia will not be able to fall into a crisis for another hundred years
  13. navigator777
    navigator777 26 October 2022 15: 22
    -9
    What the hell MANPADS, there is Vitebsk on board.
  14. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 26 October 2022 15: 24
    +28
    When I myself saw a video in a cart from the Ukrainian brothers, how our SU-34s, then SU-35s attacked their positions or crossings with free-falling bombs, and at that time they were smacking at them from everything that was - it was bewildering. At what bombs laid down near the crossing. And questions - why the hell did you have to spend billions of defense budget rubles on super-expensive and modern "unparalleled in the world" aircraft, then to use them from low altitudes as front-line attack aircraft, with free-falling FAB-250, or even NURSs. Question to Shoigu - where is the money for high-precision weapons for these aircraft? Where did they go? Whose pockets? Where are the means of targeting for these aircraft? This is no joke, this is a serious matter of spending public money on defense, like so many others!
    And military prosecutors should have asked such questions to the head of the Defense Ministry a long time ago - for he has been the chief in this department for many years and he is responsible. And the fact that the army and navy were in a complete hall from corruption, fraud and theft is his fault as well! Or is he untouchable?
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 26 October 2022 15: 31
      +1
      maybe untouchable, or maybe others are even worse?
    2. Grigory Remarque
      Grigory Remarque 26 October 2022 15: 44
      +15
      I also think why the former chief rear officer became a rear inspector, and not a seamstress of mittens. And only one thing comes to mind - he could not steal so much with impunity, which means he shared. With whom it is apparently not difficult to guess.
      1. gromit
        gromit 27 October 2022 11: 02
        0
        Yes, he shared with everyone.
        Starting from the irremovable with plywood and ending with the hero three times with "Allah gives."
    3. Pankrat25
      Pankrat25 26 October 2022 16: 08
      +2
      No country in the world has as many precision weapons as you want. half of the planet is at war with us, so they use what is available in huge quantities. And so the world record for its consumption was set half a year ago. And how will we meet the "Screaming Eagles"? they need the same gifts!
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 26 October 2022 17: 06
        +9
        That is, for the sake of the eagles, it is necessary to use a super-maneuverable air superiority fighter as an attack aircraft, to bomb a pontoon crossing with conventional bombs from a low altitude? Despite the fact that attack aircraft, the same SU-25 are ten times cheaper. Or the same SU-24. As a result, it turns out that against the air defense of the enemy, namely now Ukraine, all these strike tactical aircraft of front-line aviation that are in service with Russia are useless iron rubbish. A thousand aircraft of these VKS models are only capable of fighting baomaleys in Syria against sheds, is it so? And the only thing that is combat-ready against the modern (relatively similar to us) is expensive aircraft such as the Su-35, 57, which were clearly not created to bomb enemy positions and pontoons on the front line like the Il-2.
      2. Timur_kz
        Timur_kz 26 October 2022 20: 22
        +3
        What to meet? Let me guess - Su-34, 35, 57 squadrons? Oh yes, there are actually fewer of them, because we took care of precision-guided munitions ...
  15. Vic Vic
    Vic Vic 26 October 2022 15: 26
    0
    Somehow the text of the note and the video do not match very well. It is written that an aircraft flying overhead is bombing. The video shows a low-flying plane taking off into the sky and a rocket in pursuit. Explosions from the bombing of the aircraft are not visible, but after 30 seconds after the flight of the aircraft we see a series of explosions.
  16. Mwg
    Mwg 26 October 2022 15: 26
    -5
    Taking into account the speed of the aircraft and MANPADS missiles, and taking into account the speed of the operator’s reaction to the video, and taking into account the percentage of effective operation of MANPADS missiles on targets, everything is not as scary as the author is trying to present. If you don’t wander among the “many letters”, then the meaning of the author’s text is as follows: the Russian Federation has good planes and brave pilots, but (ay-yay-yay) there is no necessary ammunition and this forces one to take unjustified risks. Personally, I was very much reminded of the comments of the notorious Arestovich "Russia has run out of missiles."
  17. Yrec
    Yrec 26 October 2022 15: 34
    +4
    FABs (with retarders, obviously) with the Su-35 at low level are not used from a good life. On the other hand, MANPADS will not have time to capture the target, and if you wait for the capture, then the missile will definitely not catch up. The use of FABs against a highly dispersed attacking group is fully justified; I think that firing NURSs from cobrying with the Su-25 is very ineffective. And throwing FABs from an attack aircraft is very risky - you may not have time to escape from MANPADS. So we decided to try to use the Su-35 in this way, suddenly it will work.
    1. ASDASD
      ASDASD 26 October 2022 16: 09
      +6
      It was lucky that there was no beech.

      The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
    2. Askold65
      Askold65 26 October 2022 16: 12
      +6
      Quote: Yrec
      The use of FABs against a highly dispersed attacking group is fully justified; I think that firing NURSs from cobrying with the Su-25 is very ineffective. And throwing FABs from an attack aircraft is very risky - you may not have time to escape from MANPADS.

      And I have a question about the advisability of attacking "on a highly dispersed attacking group" in principle. There is artillery, there is MLRS. I remember that back in the 90s, the modernization of the Grad MLRS into the 50-barrel Prima system was proposed. But it's not about the number of barrels, but about new ammunition. The main innovation was the use of new high-explosive projectiles 9M53F with a detachable warhead and descending by parachute. The separation occurs on a signal from the cockpit of the vehicle on the trajectory of approach to the target at an angle of 85 ° to 90 °. The signal comes from the 9P612 remote installation equipment (or from the 9P612-1 portable version) to the 9E260-1 remote-contact fuse, which increases the area of ​​​​continuous destruction. The system has a 7-8 times larger area of ​​destruction than the "Grad".
      Where is all this ......? sad
    3. Timur_kz
      Timur_kz 26 October 2022 20: 30
      +5
      And what did he bomb with supersonic sound? Why couldn’t the rook fly at the maximum (about 900 km / h), especially since the rook was originally adapted for such actions, with its armor in the first place. There were so many pictures when it flew in on the same engine ... The Su35 would have collapsed right away, it was lucky that it didn’t run into a stray bullet, not like a MANPADS ... This is stupidity.
  18. Woodman
    Woodman 26 October 2022 15: 36
    -3
    And how can you recognize the Su-35S in this video?
  19. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 26 October 2022 15: 37
    -2
    Quote: Jackyun
    The pigs, apparently, fired a rocket without even waiting for the capture signal

    But they shot a beautiful video ...
  20. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 26 October 2022 15: 38
    -1
    Quote: MVG
    I personally was very reminded of the comments of the notorious Arestovich "Russia has run out of missiles"

    Maybe he knows something before? They stopped shooting en masse with calibers, which is what it says.
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 26 October 2022 15: 57
      +2
      "They stopped shooting en masse with calibers, what does that mean." - It could mean anything. For example: the cost of a caliber and the cost of a "moped" geranium differ hundreds of times, but the tasks are solved in the same way. Maths. But Arestovich, of course, knows something, yes ....
      1. Vladimir Michailovich
        Vladimir Michailovich 26 October 2022 18: 28
        0
        Yes, of course, it is known, and not only to him, for example, that the engine of the R-95 turbojet engine developed by the USSR was produced in Zaporozhye, all the way, like TV-3-117 engines, marine M-90 and AI-9 helicopter APUs. And yes, the arrest of Boguslaev coincidence, it just happened.
        1. Mwg
          Mwg 26 October 2022 18: 48
          0
          "Yes, of course, it is known, and not only to him ..." - well, so 8 years have passed. Has nothing changed in all this time?
          And at the expense of Boguslaev - so far this is a solid conspiracy theory. His arrest is associated with the struggle for the income of Motor Sich and internal squabbles.
          "In addition, the detained Boguslaev himself is close to the chief commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valeriy Zaluzhny, who is seen in the West as a potential replacement for the current president of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky. With the help of Boguslaev's testimony, Zaluzhny can be kept under control."
          The arrest of the head of Motor Sich, Vyacheslav Boguslayev, was linked to an attempt to take over the enterprise
          https://novostivl.ru/news/20221023/1034434/
        2. Sergey3
          Sergey3 27 October 2022 04: 58
          +1
          It's not about the railroads. Engines adjust as much as necessary. The queue for the purchase of domestic radio elements stretched for a year, if the Chinese do not urgently allow it, then this is a seam ...
  21. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 26 October 2022 15: 39
    +6
    That's why we've been marking time in one place for 8 months now, since we do everything through one place. And to use the su-35 as an attack aircraft is probably out of desperation. Probably the Su-25s are running out.
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  23. Cuckoo
    Cuckoo 26 October 2022 15: 44
    0
    According to a number of observers, the lack of mass production of high-precision glide bombs prevents the adequate use of both the Su-35 and other combat vehicles.

    Yes, Kakashenkov has been saying for 4 months since February that we only had "high-precision" strikes. Finished or not started? Now it’s already 50/50 (as I understand it - cruise missiles and NURs).
  24. Yves762
    Yves762 26 October 2022 15: 45
    +4
    Great heights...
    Long range...
    We need gliding bombs with ranges of 100+, like GBU-39 what
    ... feel ...
    ... were, yesterday, like drones ...
  25. rocket757
    rocket757 26 October 2022 15: 53
    +5
    Anti-aircraft missile in pursuit: the use of the Su-35 fighter as an attack aircraft is shown
    . Over and over... the questions are the same.
    When the necessary weapons will be enough and our military will not have to take risks, unless absolutely necessary.
  26. Tuzik
    Tuzik 26 October 2022 15: 58
    0
    I can’t understand in the video, what did he bomb?
  27. Sebostyuan
    Sebostyuan 26 October 2022 16: 05
    +7
    The fact that an LGBT person did not get on the plane, the merit of our pilot, is a plus. The fact that the SU-35 throws the FAB is a minus.
    It's not even about the type of aircraft. The life of a pilot, be it a Su25 or Su 35, is equally valuable. And in order to save pilots and effectively perform tasks, other ammunition is needed.
  28. Markovic
    Markovic 26 October 2022 16: 10
    +3
    I remember how at one of the meetings with representatives of the Ural factories, the director of one of these factories turned to Putin with a question. Japanese entrepreneurs offered to modernize production at this plant by supplying high-performance equipment, but our government did not give permission for this modernization. To which Putin replied: right, where, they say, we will put a large number of unemployed after such modernization. Here is the answer why we do not have mass production of high-precision weapons.
    1. Expert
      Expert 26 October 2022 23: 40
      +3
      And the outdated production did not affect the further demand for products? That is, people were not fired in the end and did you manage to save the entire staff?
  29. Ghost1
    Ghost1 26 October 2022 17: 34
    +6
    Here they either write that it is necessary to sprinkle positions with cast iron, now they write what it is, like we are fighting in World War II. Well, in general, sprinkling with cast iron is only against barmaley with Berdanks. And for cast iron, you need a massive raid, and not 1-2 aircraft that will be like a target.
    1. Expert
      Expert 26 October 2022 23: 52
      +4
      Cast iron needs modernization. Examples of such modernization were given by people in the upper comments. The question is, will the production of such modernization kits be launched in the near future and in the shortest possible time?
  30. warriordima
    warriordima 26 October 2022 17: 35
    +1
    Perhaps the Su24,25 are more vulnerable to air defense and MANPADS, so they decided to use the Su35 on the breakthrough line.
  31. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 26 October 2022 18: 03
    +6
    I don’t understand either, is this the level of competence of the current generals, or is there not enough guided weapons. The enemy has armored, lightly armored targets like a fool of shag, and our combat helicopters can take off without a single ATGM.

    Although, the fact that our warehouses are blazing from every sneeze suggests that both options are at once.
    1. Timur_kz
      Timur_kz 26 October 2022 20: 33
      -1
      And why does he need an ATGM, he flies a bullet from a cabriolet)
      1. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 26 October 2022 20: 58
        +7
        Because helicopters should do their job, destroy armored vehicles.
        In Chechnya, they also worked from cabriolet. But they also took ATGMs for each flight.
    2. Mitrich73
      Mitrich73 26 October 2022 21: 05
      -5
      The enemy has so many armored vehicles that GAZ-53 dump trucks are used instead of armored personnel carriers.
      1. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 26 October 2022 21: 13
        +7
        She's enough there. In addition, there are ATGMs with high-explosive warheads, they work well against dump trucks.
  32. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 26 October 2022 18: 05
    +4
    of course, they won’t catch up, but they could have let them meet, and then the khan, at such a low altitude and distance, simply doesn’t have time to maneuver
  33. Last centurion
    Last centurion 26 October 2022 18: 12
    +8
    Ndaaa ... From fighters to bomb with free-falling bombs. This is in the heads of the commanders, in my opinion, something is not right!
  34. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 26 October 2022 18: 24
    -3
    Quote: Markovich
    To which Putin replied: right, where, they say, we will put a large number of unemployed after such modernization. Here is the answer why we do not have mass production of high-precision weapons

    Did he come up with it himself? Puten is to blame for everything :).
    1. Timur_kz
      Timur_kz 26 October 2022 20: 38
      +9
      And who is to blame? Putin's main problem is that there is no one to blame! Everyone gets out of the water dry, moves to positions and that's it. Only competitors for power are cleared. That is, the main property of the elites is loyalty, and a thief, not a thief, is not important.
      1. Sergei Kazarin
        Sergei Kazarin 27 October 2022 01: 32
        +3
        At the head of Rostec, a superyacht in Spain was arrested
  35. Paradox163
    Paradox163 26 October 2022 20: 47
    +8
    There used to be technology, not like now ...
  36. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 26 October 2022 22: 09
    -2
    Quote: Timur_kz
    That is, the main property of the elites is loyalty, and a thief, not a thief, is not important.

    That is, the German concerns that supported the vertical all the way seemed to have nothing to do with it, right?
  37. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 26 October 2022 22: 12
    -2
    Quote: MVG
    The arrest of the head of Motor Sich, Vyacheslav Boguslayev, was linked to an attempt to take over the enterprise

    That is, the Zaporozhians and Nikolaevna did not supply power plants for the RF Armed Forces, so what?
  38. iouris
    iouris 26 October 2022 22: 48
    -1
    Did the pilot even take aim? It is clearly seen that the use of air bombs with a detonation delay allows the enemy to shoot down the aircraft even in the event of death from the bomb.
  39. Sergei Kazarin
    Sergei Kazarin 27 October 2022 01: 31
    +5
    and despite the fact that even Iran has planning bombs
  40. Pavel57
    Pavel57 27 October 2022 09: 53
    +5
    Su-35 as an attack aircraft. Right 42 years old.
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  42. Eug
    Eug 27 October 2022 11: 54
    +1
    Nobody thought about the fact that even if a bomb is planning and controlled, it needs a height for planning (from which it will plan)? When dropping even a planning bomb from WWI, the carrier is unlikely to be able to avoid entering the air defense zone. And what is the AD quality of planning bombs? Hardly more than 10, which means for a flight over a range of 10 km. the height of the drop must be at least 1 km .....
    1. Andrey_Ivanovich
      Andrey_Ivanovich 27 October 2022 12: 04
      +2
      the Israelis use planning bombs from about 200 km away from a maximum height of probably 15tm, here on the site there was a connoisseur from Israel Warrior wow, disappeared somewhere, probably could tell in more detail what and whose these bombs are, and here above there is a post about Iranian they fly bombs for 50 km, not bad either.
    2. Victorovich
      Victorovich 27 October 2022 12: 38
      +2
      It all depends on the task!
      What wings and fairing are trimmed - so it will fly.
      and if you still stick a powder engine - so the vaashchpe will fly far away
      1. Andrey_Ivanovich
        Andrey_Ivanovich 27 October 2022 16: 33
        0
        Quote from Victor
        It all depends on the task!
        What wings and fairing are trimmed - so it will fly.
        and if you still stick a powder engine - so the vaashchpe will fly far away

        if you stick a powder engine, it will already be a cruise missile, and the powder engine will eat the payload.
        1. Victorovich
          Victorovich 4 November 2022 23: 45
          0
          It depends on what kind of engine it is and how much fuel it has.
          If he has a fuel charge of 20 kg, then it will not affect the useful combat load either.
          And the powder engine itself is a stupid bucket of gunpowder and a nozzle and FSE !!!
          We made such things from shit and sticks when we managed to get gunpowder.
  43. Andrey_Ivanovich
    Andrey_Ivanovich 27 October 2022 11: 59
    +5
    meanwhile, on TV they show how the "brave" pilots Su25, Ka52 Mi28, Mi35, designed specifically for such work (dive attack) beat somewhere into the milk with nurses from a nose-up, qualitatively plowing Ukrainian black soil. I don't understand anything. belay
  44. Bayun
    Bayun 27 October 2022 12: 02
    +3
    Judging by the "Geran", squadrons of IL-2 UAVs with remote control would be more effective in NVO than SU35. It is not a pity to "exchange" an UAV for a tank.

    Tactics emerge by themselves for both ground and air combat: robots open defenses, and human-controlled vehicles work out high-precision on the targets left after the drone strike.
  45. Victorovich
    Victorovich 27 October 2022 12: 36
    +5
    "partners" have Paveway .... ancient as a mammoth poop
    for several generations..
    I also bombed objects with this bomb on f-19 and f-117 ....
    and we are still bombarded with simple cast iron.
    Well oops!!
    So the desire to ask our MO - how long will you risk pilots ???
  46. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 October 2022 12: 43
    +5
    I wonder who was smart enough to use the latest, expensive machine for such work? What are the Su - 25 over?
  47. Igor Zhorov
    Igor Zhorov 27 October 2022 17: 07
    0
    The planning bomb does not provide bombing outside the air defense coverage area, therefore they work from low altitudes because the risk is less than from ammunition correction heights. Under such conditions, old bombs are needed.
    1. the same doctor
      the same doctor 28 October 2022 02: 14
      +1
      Nu-nu. With a slight improvement in tactics, a planning bomb can be fired from a distance of 50 km. Another thing is that due to communication problems, it ceases to be manageable. but this problem can be solved elementarily and cheaply ... for China with its industry.
  48. air wolf
    air wolf 27 October 2022 17: 42
    +1
    Poherili normal attack aircraft Il-112
    , and this Su-25 garbage was launched
  49. Alexander Glebov
    Alexander Glebov 27 October 2022 18: 24
    +1
    Where is Mig27k? And they drank, but how it is needed right now.
  50. the same doctor
    the same doctor 28 October 2022 02: 09
    +4
    Nabiulina is better off sending money over the hill, but she won’t give it for modernization. And back in 2011 I wrote about the need to make nozzles for control or homing on all our aerial bombs. And the option was cheap...