The EU is counting on Taiwan to increase the supply of microchips, but fears the reaction of Beijing

Taiwanese government officials have been touting its leading position in the chip manufacturing sector while calling on the European Union to start negotiations on a trade deal, something Taipei has long sought. This is reported by the Japanese newspaper The Asahi Shimbun.

According to Taiwan President Tsai Ying-Wen, the restructuring of global supply chains and the transformation of the EU and Taiwan economies offer great potential for closer, mutually beneficial cooperation. Tsai Ying-Wen stated this at the EU investment forum in Taipei.

The EU is Taiwan's largest source of foreign investment, but the EU and its member states do not have formal diplomatic relations with the island due to objections from China, which considers Taiwan one of its provinces.

The EU is courting Taiwan, a major semiconductor maker, as one of the "like-minded" partners it would like to work with based on official agreements, the paper notes. However, no one in the EU wants to go into confrontation with China for this. Beijing's reactions to the increasingly active bilateral policy of Brussels and Taipei in the EU are feared.

With the EU aiming to have at least six million public electric vehicle (EV) charging stations by 2030, and electric vehicles require significantly more chips than conventional cars, the bet is on Taiwan.

Taiwan will become a reliable partner of the EU in the development of its market for electric vehicles

Taiwan Economic Minister Wang Meihua said.

According to the Japanese newspaper The Asahi Shimbun, a significant increase in trade volumes dictates the need to conclude a bilateral agreement, according to Taiwan.

However, the EU included Taiwan on its list of trading partners for a potential bilateral investment agreement back in 2015, but it has not negotiated with Taiwan on the issue since.

Comments

[kor1vet1974]

Hmm, interestingly the girls are dancing. But how will it end, the landing of Chinese troops in Taiwan?

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: kor1vet1974

Hmm, interestingly the girls are dancing. But how will it end, the landing of Chinese troops in Taiwan?

China has small testicles, at the moment it is impossible, only chatter for the whole world.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from ARIONkrsk

Quote: kor1vet1974

Hmm, interestingly the girls are dancing. But how will it end, the landing of Chinese troops in Taiwan?

China has small testicles, at the moment it is impossible, only chatter for the whole world.

This is not about testicles, but about the fact that China was preparing for the party congress and the election of the helmsman for the next five years. There was no need for him to harness himself to the war before the elections. Now Xi has received power for the upcoming five-year plan, will clean up the party ranks from those who advocate friendship with mattresses (one party functionary was taken out under white hands right from the congress) and will deal with the Taiwan problem. In the next five years, he will pass automatically, as the leader who united China and Taiwan under one roof.

[cash]

it is unlikely that in the event of a landing, Taiwan will leave its factories to the Chinese, they will blow everything up

[ZIF122]

They won't explode anything! Everything will happen very quickly and without big fights and losses!

[Ablet]

Those who will blow up will sign their own death warrant. Taiwan is still an island and it is unlikely that anyone will be able to escape from there. The same applies to all who will actively resist the PRC army.

[cash]

no one will give such scientific potential to the enemy, I am more than sure that, just in case, the factories there are mined

[Stas157]

Quote from Ablet

Those who will blow up will sign their own death warrant.

And they won't even be exchanged. Even if partners ask!

[SKVichyakow]

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it is unlikely that in the event of a landing, Taiwan will leave its factories to the Chinese, they will blow everything up

If the US stops interfering, in a year they themselves will join mainland China.

[for]

Quote: SKVichyakow

a year later, they themselves will join mainland China.

There is not one reason for them to join China.
If there was no chip production there, then they would probably need it.

[SKVichyakow]

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There is not one reason for them to join China.

Your conclusion suggests that you do not follow the news, or are not at all in the subject.

[for]

Quote: SKVichyakow

that you do not follow the news, or not at all in the subject.

And the news from the pro-Chinese, the reasons they want to share or completely give away income and power to China.
Why isn't there a referendum?

[SKVichyakow]

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And the news from the pro-Chinese, the reasons they want to share or completely give away income and power to China.
Why isn't there a referendum?

Everyone is just waiting for the elections in Taiwan. And everything will be decided by itself. This is understood in the United States, so they are escalating the situation for the start of hostilities between them.

[for]

Quote: SKVichyakow

And everything will be decided by itself.

I doubt that the Taiwanese will choose China.

to start hostilities between them.

And what is the US fighting for, if only China decides to return by force.

[SKVichyakow]

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Quote: SKVichyakow

And everything will be decided by itself.

I doubt that the Taiwanese will choose China.

to start hostilities between them.

And what is the US fighting for, if only China decides to return by force.

If the Kuomintang Party wins the elections in Taiwan, then they are in favor of joining China. The United States is not going to carry out military operations, as in Ukraine, only "possible help" in playing off. You are heavy Monomakh's hat.

[Bingo]

Campaign, the production of chips in China. Until this happens, no one will twitch, but Taiwan produces almost all the chips in the world. 66% by number - even for China, the elimination of production in Taiwan is an automatic collapse of the industry. The USA and Europe are generally straight away - the war in Taiwan - in a day - Middle Ages

[Sergey_52]

Well, nonsense ...
Even in 2018, the Chinese released half of Taiwan ... Yes, in fact, even without them, in which case there is someone to pick up the banner ...
https://habr.com/ru/post/486326/

[Roust]

Ask the striped granny with a peloise about it.

[Doccor18]

with whom he would like to work, based on formal agreements

All the years and without this, they traded normally. "Official" can bring Beijing to real action. And then everyone will be sad ...

[Two]

And when are we? And where are we? We can only shrug our shoulders, but we do not have the production of our own modern chips.

[Murmur 55]

Two , and E. S. does not particularly produce them, therefore, flirts with Taipei

[cash]

we are slowly catching up, we are far from the mass character of Taiwan, of course, but we are not standing still

[vadimtt]

This chip became a museum exhibit even before it was born - there is no place to make it, alas.
And so, even in the first iteration, he is quite comparable with classmates (and these are not the ones shown in the picture ), a lag of no more than 30% is about nothing in the industry. Everything further for him would depend on the volume of production and, consequently, the final price. It might even be commercially successful.

[cash]

well, yes, it’s cheaper to keep production in Taiwan ... idiots, wouldn’t it be possible to open a factory in the same Zelenograd

[vadimtt]

Not released in Zelenograd. Looks like a cursed place on AvtoVAZ

[cash]

yes, this is effective management rather damned, I don’t understand these fools, this is direct sabotage ... moreover, strategic

[Stas157]

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there wouldn’t be a small factory in the same Zelenograd

Alas, no one sells modern equipment for production. Haven't sold before. And now even more so.

[Alex_Bora]

And where was the core of the Baikal chip printed? There is information? According to my information, like other "ours", everything is in the same place, in Taiwan at TSMC.

[lisyara]

We can only shrug our hands, but we do not have the production of our own modern chips.

what state are you?
we, in Russia, make small schemes. and their own survived, even if they bought the old line from AMD
Yes, the old one, the level of core2quad is probably - but the Pindock fighters fly on the first stumps, that's enough.

what is most funny, everything is mainly done for export by our ... there are almost no domestic orders.

[vadimtt]

No, it's a little worse. 65nm from AMD is unlikely to be launched already. Our level is extremely low-volume production at 90nm, almost everything goes only to the military. For mere mortals, only 180nm is available and the same in homeopathic (compared to TSMC) quantities (with corresponding price tags). And then, I can’t guarantee that all consumables (chemistry, silicon, photoresists, etc.) on these lines are domestic.

[cash]

the raptors had old i486s, I don’t know if they were replaced

[Galleon]

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And when are we? And where are we? We can only shrug our shoulders, but we do not have the production of our own modern chips.

And who needs our microchips for mass production? Do we make mobile phones? Produce tablets, motherboards, video cards? CNC machines? Damn, coffee machines? Production lines?
Who should mass-produce microcircuits?

[Bingo]

Quote: Galleon

Who should mass-produce microcircuits?

At least cash registers. In general, chips are everywhere now, and given the sanctions, this is the most ideal and rare chance for us to catch up and overtake. And then another drink

[Galleon]

Good reasoning, I agree. We have many chances, but all untouched.
For the development of microelectronics, orders of tens and hundreds of thousands of pieces are needed, i.e. it is necessary to transfer to the domestic base those remnants that sit on an import base or are completely made abroad: security and fire systems, video surveillance, monitors, etc. And keep an eye on the price! And then new chandeliers with video cameras are offered to the police for 5 million - at least twenty times the price is raised! This is the first step. So that orders for these chips become the financial basis for the next stage. Then decide on household appliances - this is mass production, it is very important, and again monitor the price, especially the final one. This is the second stage and further this industry will become viable. And the ministry should deal with all this, but they don’t need to! They already have everything, life is good!
Okay, enough platitudes.

[Murmur 55]

Of course, it is not beneficial for China that the markets for chips and other things remain with Taiwan, but what Beijing can do so far is too much at stake.

[I dare to_notice_]

What electric vehicles?!
It is time for the EU to think about the eternal, and not about green garbage.

[Doccor18]

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What electric vehicles?!

In light of the rising cost of hydrocarbons and the powerful electric car lobby, why not. All you have to do is get the supply chains sorted out and you're good to go...

[vadimtt]

Electric cars run great on coal, but yes, it has the opposite relation to ecology
Well, at least the dirt will be thrown out of the cities, or rather transferred to the provinces.

[Doccor18]

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Electric cars are great on coal...

[Essex62]

China can arbitrarily consider Taiwan its province, the main thing is that the Taiwanese themselves do not think so. You can puff out your cheeks and threaten with a fist for a long time, but it is futile. The inhabitants of the island do not want to join the slave-owning empire, they live very well with their little world. The slave overseers will not receive anything from the CCP, the factories will be destroyed, and the Taiwanese will lay down their bones for their island. And p and n dosa, with allies they will be helped in this.

[Arkady007]

I'm not chasing.
The EU imposes sanctions on the supply of chips to us and court Taiwan themselves so as not to receive Chinese sanctions. At the same time, China received sanctions from the United States, which closely cooperates with the EU.
What prevents China from imposing sanctions on chips for the EU in order to respond to US sanctions without directing these sanctions against them?

[Roust]

The Chinese are waiting for the corpse of the enemy to float down the river, but for now, it floats by, towards the states and geyropa, their electronic industry, the Chinese (as they stubbornly think) provinces. It is necessary to decide already: either, or !!!

[speed4fun]

We Europeans are fools, we created technology for electronic chips, and then we will produce them in Taiwan, we created all kinds of equipment and we take it to China for production, and then we complain that the Chinese are very bad. ...if it's not stupid, it seems. It's like imposing sanctions on Russian gas... another shot in the foot for Europeans... with European liberals in Brussels
The EU is self-destructing.

[Kostadinov]

Quote from Bingo

Campaign, the production of chips in China. Until this happens, no one will twitch, but Taiwan produces almost all the chips in the world. 66% by number - even for China, the elimination of production in Taiwan is an automatic collapse of the industry. The USA and Europe are generally straight away - the war in Taiwan - in a day - Middle Ages

Nothing like this will happen. Everyone will manage without Taiwanese chips, and for other manufacturers there will be joy - they will capture the Taiwanese market.

[Kostadinov]

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We Europeans are fools, we created technology for electronic chips, and then we will produce them in Taiwan, we created all kinds of equipment and we take it to China for production, and then we complain that the Chinese are very bad. ...if it's not stupid, it seems.

That fools 200 percent agree. Technology and equipment must be sold on time, or you will lose the market and others will do it themselves.
Chips are produced in Taiwan because, in addition to technology, both workers and raw materials are needed, and there they are cheaper.
At one time, gunpowder, rockets, a compass, and silk were brought from China to Europe and began to be produced there. It is impossible to keep the monopole on the new technology.