In the United States created a rocket against computers

Fantasy intrudes into the realm, sometimes with fanfare and trumpets, and sometimes somehow completely unnoticed, although the appearance of some things changes or can change the picture of the world rather radically.

The division of Boeing Phantom works on the Pentagon’s order for the last four years has been involved in the CHAMP project or The Counter-Electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project, which can be translated roughly as “Advanced Megaracket with High Voltage Microwave”. Testing took place a few days ago, and, according to the developers, CHAMP is ready for labor, defense and attack.

Working sample weapons released at a test site in Utah. Rocket was supposed to hit electronics in several buildings with directed microwave radiation. As a result, all computers, control and communication systems were burned out, even the camera recording the test results was disabled. This attack had no effect on anything else at all.

Hardly holding back the jubilation, Kate Coleman from Boeing said: "We hit all the goals that were going, today we turned science fiction into a scientific fact." Below is a video with graphics, developer interviews and test footage:

Actually, first of all, these weapons are planned to be used against modern super-complex passive radars. They are used by Russia and China, and many other countries. Unlike active radar, passive mark the object without giving out its presence at long distances. They allow you to quite effectively detect American stealth fighters, even the latest insanely expensive F-35. However, a volley of microwaves from CHAMP can easily disable the detection system without causing harm to anyone.

This, of course, is not a radio-electronic bomb, but already close. The highly human weapon of the future will allow to crush the enemy without victims and destructions. After all, almost all modern weapons work on chips and chips. And really enough to burn all the electronics in Iran, to drive it, if not in the stone age, then back to the middle of the twentieth, and more, in general, and not necessary.

We, by the way, were also going to do something similar, but, apparently, have not yet succeeded.

Comments

[alexng]

We, by the way, were also going to do something similar, but, apparently, have not yet succeeded.

How it did not work out, but how much information was about small-sized pulsed electromagnetic means for destroying electronics. And acting.

[NAV-STAR]

By the way, there is a whole series dedicated to such domestic ammunition from the "Impact Force" cycle.

[Joker]

Yeah, I wonder how she calculates goals. In general, it would be necessary to come up with an adequate and cheap answer.

[Tirpitz]

Quote: Joker

In general, it would be necessary to come up with an adequate and cheap answer.

Cheap will not work. The cost price is one, but the broth of officials still needs to be taken into account.

[alexng]

And what? A cheap and adequate answer is also possible - a rubber bomb. He dumped her and then she jumps for about five years, and tramples everything that falls under her.

[Andrey64]

Give the lamp technology to the troops ...)))

[alexng]

By the way, the most reliable system from any electromagnetic bombs.

The US State Department sent a commission to Russia to find out why hurricanes in Vorkuta and Chukotka do not cause such damage as in Florida. After lengthy proceedings, the commission found out a secret: these mysterious Russians, it turns out, are building houses not of plywood, but of brick!

[nickname 1 and 2]

Joker,
No way! They don't figure it out. They say: Hit that building with a bang! Ok!
Install protection! (like lightning arresters) Duplicate input blocks.
Shield. It doesn't seem like a big problem to me! Once there was a thunderstorm - lightning and the receivers flew out! And this problem is solvable! The missile must reach the firing line. Maybe it's like a sniper duel. Who will be the first to reveal themselves.
An enthusiastic cry about the solution of the task! And it was very difficult to solve it. And it was very relevant when microcircuits were very afraid of static electricity!

[mamba]

But one of the systems was never disclosed. And it was developed by analogy with sites for strawberry catchers. A message appears on the monitor screen: "You decided to screw up Russia, therefore your computer is blocked. To unblock, you need to transfer this amount to the account of the Central Bank of Russia within XNUMX hours. In case of refusal or expiration of the payment period, all information on your computers and servers will be destroyed. "

[Slayer]

We also have similar developments, only more "field". A small suitcase in which there is an installation capable of creating a discharge of hundreds of MW in a second, the resulting magnetic wave burns out absolutely all the electronics within a radius of several kilometers, something like this)))

[Mikado]

Quote: Slayer

A small suitcase, in which there is an installation capable of creating a discharge of hundreds of MW in a second,

No way Tony Stark gathered on his knees, sitting in one of the Afghan caves

[gojesi]

Quote: NAV-STAR

similarly dedicated to such domestic ammunition from the cycle

They write crap! Like children and for children... The Americans began to develop these munitions after the victory over the USSR, when secret military developments, in particular from the St. Petersburg Arsenal plant, which is near the Finland Station, were TAKEN OUT BY TRUCKS through a hole in the wall to the American consulate. Anyone interested in the details of the betrayal should google - "60 questions from Kvachkov to Chubais"
And in our country they were created at the end of the 60s, a small suitcase, undermined in the def. location, shuts off approximately one area of ​​the big city. Amer, like the Jews, they can’t invent and create anything themselves, in principle, because they use what they stole and appropriated ... everything is as usual!
The article is the biggest minus !!! PR American military-industrial complex

[Rezun]

Quiet, bro! Or did you forget--"...pretend to be a rag and don't show off"?
By the way, here the article was how amers are going to defend themselves from hackers --- in my opinion, these missiles will not even take off ...

[Tirpitz]

Quote: alexneg

how much information was about small-sized pulsed electromagnetic means for destroying electronics. And acting.

For a long time there is protection against electromagnetic pulses from both NATO and the Russian Federation. here, probably a different principle.

[Beck]

Yes! Drones and these CHAMPs are the beginning of the era of the newest weapons and armament of the near future. Which we read about in science fiction stories of the 60-70-80-90s of the 20th century.

There is no grinning and hat-making is necessary. And keep up with the times. If PAKFA is behind the F-35 by 20 years, this is a disaster, but not critical. Now, if you are 20 years behind such CHAMPs, then at least scratch your turnips, at least not scratch.

[urzul]

If PAKFA lags behind F-35 by 20 years, this is a disaster, but not critical.

What are the parameters?

[wasjasibirjac]

F-35 flies and in the series, PAK FA only experience

[urzul]

F-35 flies and in the series, PAK FA only experience

Well, if so then of course years on 20-30 is not otherwise
When will the T-50 be launched in our series? damn forgot the same in 2040 and not earlier.
YES and something not really this F-35 is even favored in the West, they say that the illness of children is dark and it’s too early in the series,

[Beck]

Quote: urzul

What are the parameters?

Yes, for any. And let not 20, but for 15 years.

[urzul]

Well, let's take the main ones:
Radar station
Engines
weaponry
Composites (stealth)
What's in the PAK FA from the 80s? What's ancient about it?

[Ascetic]

Quote: Beck

Yes, for any. And let not 20, but for 15 years.

Horrible!!! In all respects it is lagging .. Moreover, we need to compare it with the Raptor and on the F-35 we have the SU-35

[Beck]

Urzulu. Ascetic.

Parameters. Well, to get into them in detail and thoroughly, I'm not an expert. I had in mind the general lag in research, development and implementation of various military systems, in particular aircraft.

The MiG-21 was made in order to catch up with the Phantoms MiG-29, Su-27 in order to catch up with the F-15, F-16. PAKFA to catch up with the F-35. That's all I had in mind. Hence, if we do not take measures, the tendency is that when the United States creates an all-aspect, all-weather, long-range unmanned fighter or bomber or fighter-bomber, then again it will not have to catch up.

I understand the feeling of true patriotism and a desire for pride. But for it to be even higher it is necessary not to catch up, but to get ahead.

[Jin]

Beck,

Beck, I agree with you. The only thing! Once successfully tested, it means they’ll soon apply somewhere, then we’ll look at how effective this CHAMP is and draw conclusions. Hope we do!

[v53993]

Nobody has yet canceled theoretical electrodynamics, as well as Maxwell's equations. Complete nonsense.
Firstly, elementary protected systems will not have the declared impact. Therefore, it does not say the degree of protection of objects during the test.
Secondly, in the atmosphere the attenuation in this range is so strong that the range is insignificant. And who will let this rocket come so close?

[Kaa]

Quote: alexneg

How it didn’t work out,

Here is a photo report of the test results

[Lord of the Sith]

Watch the video a bit off topic

[ShturmKGB]

Let them comfort themselves with the thought that we have nothing, there will be a surprise!

[WW3]

This weapon is certainly humane and effective against electronics; the Americans have long been developing systems for electronic suppression of air defense radars; they were tested in Iraq during Operation Desert Storm...
However, not only robots are fighting ... they will find an adequate answer to this ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: WW3

This weapon is of course humane and effective against electronics,

It’s clear that now computers are threatened not only by viruses, but also by missiles there is no limit to the military fantasy of the human brain.

[Kaa]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

It’s clear that now computers are threatened not only by viruses, but also by missiles

That's it, basta! I close the window and cover the computer with a copper basin ... suddenly what a fool flies out the window ... UUUZHJASS!

[alexng]

But before you close the window, drive all the waves out.

[Kaa]

Quote: alexneg

drive all the waves out

And I was also advised: "Don't drive the wave ..."

[Ghosh]

And even better with a broom on the roof - to disperse the waves

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Kaa

I close the window and cover the computer with a copper basin ..

Kaa, change microcircuits to incandescent lamps, so it will be more reliable

[mamba]

And they will burn out too. At the end of the 19th century, due to a solar flare, all power and telegraph communications in North America failed. There were then no transistors, no mikruh, no processors.

[Kaa]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

change microcircuits to incandescent lamps, so it will be more reliable

Then already ... more reliable ...

[Allegedly]

Chelyabinsk calculators are so harsh ...

[Kaa]

Quote: JACOB

Chelyabinsk calculators are so harsh ...

That they can overtake them in productivity only ...

[alexng]

Well, this is awesome - the first Russian computer. With the global disappearance of electricity, an irreplaceable thing.

[WW3]

For a person, this is humane, it won’t burn brains, only a computer ... that's interesting ...
http://ladaria.livejournal.com/3188.html
Even before the start of the war in Iraq, Doctor of Technical Sciences Valentin Kashinov opened a "second front." From the simple and accessible to any amateur radio parts, he created ... "anti-weapon." “To suppress the signals of the American NAVSTAR GPS satellite navigation system,” the professor explains, “it’s not necessary to know any secrets.” The fact is that the frequency at which this system operates is well known. Kashinov showed what signal should be emitted from the ground in order to deprive the Tomahawk of communication with the satellite. In other words, how to make the rocket "blind." The professor described the circuit of the device, which turned out to be very simple, and most importantly cheap. Only 200 dollars. And on the Internet he sent his proposals to Baghdad ...

[Marine One]

Doctor of technical sciences, whose articles are not found in any serious scientific peer-reviewed publications, professor, corresponding member of the International Slavic Academy (what is this ???), a fighter with Zionism and pop music, inventor of the perpetual motion machine. In principle, we can stop here. Another freak or Petrik.

[WW3]

Dear, before engaging in cap-making, you need to look for Old, and then write comments ....

KASHINOV Valentin Vladimirovich (b. 3.01.1943), professor, doctor of technical sciences, scientist and public figure. Born in Krasnoyarsk, hereditary engineer. He graduated from the North-West Correspondence Polytechnic Institute in Leningrad, one of the world's leading experts in the field of radar and radio navigation, the author of 120 scientific papers. After 1991, he took an active part in the patriotic movement in St. Petersburg. After American cruise missile attacks on Sudan and Afghanistan in 1998, he mailed to the embassies of countries that the Americans declared “rogue states” a description of his method of incapacitating the American satellite navigation system. NATO aggressors use the GPS system in aviation to determine the coordinates of sea and land moving objects. It was the method of neutralizing this system that Kashinov proposed. The result was a significant decrease in the effectiveness of NATO “precision” weapons. Yugoslavia widely used Kashinov’s methodology to repel NATO’s aggression in 1999. On Kashinov’s advice, the Yugoslavs also used microwave ovens as improvised means. Since NATO homing missiles respond to radiation in the range of 400-10000 MHz, Kashinov proposed putting out included kitchen units operating at 2460 MHz with the doors open. A flurry of rockets and bombs immediately fell on the stoves, and the Yugoslav troops were hardly affected. In the summer of 2001, he visited Iraq to provide advice on improving electronic warfare. Kashinov appears in the patriotic press as a publicist, he is the author of more than 20 articles in defense of the Russian People.
S. L.

[Marine One]

I have little interest in biographies of half-mad or outright scammers from science. This "dohtura" is not in any of the VAK lists. None of his 120 works appear in any of the indexes of scientific publications. In general, none. The citation index for "one of the world's leading experts in the field of radar and radio navigation" is also zero. Unless, of course, we do not consider the reprints of his delirium in marginal online publications devoted to Vedic Russia and the struggle of the Zionists to be cited. And please spare me, a specialist in the field of communications and military ICT with 30 patents embedded in real products from nonsense about Tomahawks flying in different directions and especially microwaves, the radiation of which generally does not fall into the GOS sensitivity range of the main types of modern missiles.

And, in general, Comrade Kashinov, log in. I’m somewhat surprised why the Serbs, whose NATO attacks knocked out almost half of the industrial infrastructure, weren’t dug along with the miracle anti-ballistic missiles. It would be worth it.

[WW3]

Dear, Marine One, I’ll specially post a link for you about this doctor
http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/kashn002/00000002.htm
re-read again time-wise discussion on this thread, pictures .... and you will understand where the elements of the information war are and where not, I consider the further discussion on this topic pointless .....

[Marine One]

My dear, come on. We do not serve on Saturdays. I'm talking about Thomas, you're talking about Eremu. I tell you about the "doctrine of sciences", that in the scientific world, that in the field of radio communications, military ICT and navigation none of these I have never heard of specialists. And you give me a link to a site about ufology, a Jewish Mason conspiracy, telegony and other nonsense. I even keep quiet about the fact that your "doctor" in this article demonstrates ignorance of the elementary things taught at the 2-3 course of a decent technical university. Honestly, God be with you, believe at least in Dracula, even in Chupacabra. Just stay together with the "dohturs" and their torsion companions away from the defense industry. Otherwise, together with you, we will not cope with the United States, with Honduras. Adieu. Pointless discussion.

[nickname 1 and 2]

Marine one,

40 years ago, the magazine "RADIO" had the status of an award for special merits! In this magazine, many schemes were published and the authors were praised! And many authoritative specialists believed in these "miracles"! However, for serious specialists in radio and electronics, this magazine caused a grin or laughter.

Dear Marine One, No point in breaking lances. This is not the case.

Quote: Marine One

spare me a communications specialist

- Honor and praise to you! Use your strength for the power of our country!
Gaidar destroyed us as an industry in his time.
We are hopelessly behind! And God bless you!

[WW3]

I’ll clarify the position a little .... if you look at the chronology of comments, the branch has moved to a scientific plane with a humorous bias, let the young scientists work and increase the defense capability of Russia so that we can say ...... the amers launched this, and we can to the point of you running this, if suddenly something ....
in the meantime, we have to wage an information war with the help of patriots of the Russian people such as Kashin, no one is going to kneel before the amers! Russians do not give up! ....
Good luck to all the young scientists of Russia !!!!!!

[Blat]

we all saw 3 hundreds of blinded tomahawks. cnn broadcast live. and all thanks to the professor))))))))))))) as far as I know, in addition to the known frequency, the military also uses its own which is not well known.

[11Goor11]

To suppress signals from the American NAVSTAR GPS satellite navigation system, ..

Alas, this is impossible.
These signals do not "choke"

[WW3]

There are winners in the information war, and there are losers, but you need to do it beautifully ....

[alexng]

Quote: 11Goor11

These signals do not "choke"

Are they titanium? Even as they choke. And they slip on false ones for changing the route.

[Marine One]

The signal goes through three frequency channels - one open civilian, one civilian encrypted, the last one is military, also encrypted, but on a different principle. Plus, in the next 2-3 years, along with new satellites, 2 more frequencies will be connected, judging by a number of signs for military purposes again. Even now, it is possible to completely suppress this only by completely clogging the airwaves with garbage, for which, for a certain square and at a distance of 100 km, the EW installation will need to be powered by a natural power plant. You will be able to slip false coordinates only into a civilian receiver. Roughly speaking, it is impossible to bypass cryptographic protection during the flight time of the tomahawk.

[ikrut]

As far as I understand, no one suppresses the signals themselves. They simply introduce disturbances (disturbances) into the carrier frequency. And by means of this, the signal itself is suppressed. Here is a quote: "Phase-modulated (PM) signals used in GPS have been considered the height of noise immunity until now, but this is not so - here they have seriously miscalculated. The optimal (best) interference for jamming FM signals turned out to be simply a detuned carrier. You couldn't come up with a simpler electronic warfare device!"

[bobon_]

something like this happened in Iraq at one time. Of course, it's an exaggeration ;) I'll explain... Saddam planted "Bedouins" in the desert approximately every twenty (maybe more) kilometers... having previously given each of them a helium cylinder and devices (designed to jam the NAVSTAR signal) tied to air "balloons" that were inflated and launched at low intervals. The flying "TOMAHAWK", receiving a more powerful signal from the device, but not corresponding to reality, rebooted the computer - 90 seconds without a rudder or sails - strictly in a straight line and observing the specified flight altitude! and then the next device on the balloon... The cruise missiles flew off to all of Saddam's neighbors and the US State Department experienced many unpleasant minutes because of this... according to rumors. It was precisely this "inventive" activity of the Russians that served as the pretext for the shelling of the Russian embassy leaving Baghdad by a tank (motorized) unit!!! despite the high-raised!!! state flags of the Russian Federation

[Marine One]

Quote: bobon_

Flying "TOMAGAVK" receiving a more powerful signal from the device, but not corresponding to realities

Please explain to me the technology of receiving a signal from a rocket from some left device. Find out how the device in real time and apparently in a completely automatic mode broke the cryptographic protection of the controller and the rocket navi blocks? At the same time, in parallel with GPS, this super device on each of the missiles managed to crush TERCOM and DSMAC. I’m sitting and thinking, what the hell are we in the laboratories for 6 days a week? It turns out that the Internet has already been invented.

[bobon_]

Dear Sir! Please don't take my post as an insult! But if you are one of those, as you put it, "thinking in the laboratory" then remember the time when this happened and, accordingly, the security of this system at that time, .... look up the periodicals for that time (lyrical digression - more than 1000 - if I'm not mistaken 1074 Tomahawks were delivered by US Navy ships, about 300 with a little tail were used - (Please forgive me generously for the inaccuracies - enough time has passed, and I'm too lazy to dig through the archives)) and count the number of protest notes and look from the states surrounding Iraq and from "slightly further" neighbors too.... and one must assume about simple signal duplication with time distortion, from secondary satellites in a group (I am presenting it in an exaggerated and simplified manner for understanding on the fingers of outside readers) You also heard ... and about the fact that not only your laboratory is engaged in this issue (as I understand - unsuccessfully) can be seen by looking at the statement (not only from the Russian Federation) about the ability to block the operation of everything related to GPS navigation over fairly large areas.... Also, indirect evidence of the unreliability of GPS navigation systems are reports that astro and inertial navigation systems are returning to service in the US and NATO armies - and not only them.... I wish you success in studying this issue

[Falkone152]

"Unlike active radars, passive ones detect an object without revealing their presence at large distances" - they launched it and it is not clear whether the missile hit the target (in the sense that it disabled electrical equipment). Ha, not a bad farce! Storytellers!

[bobon_]

why is this not clear???? the target marker in case of hitting it will disappear or will change height very quickly... accelerating towards the ground

[jagdpanzer]

anti-Kalash bomb powerless Yes, and methods of counteraction are probably even in theory

[Dimych]

Interestingly, and at what distance does this thing work?

[alexng]

Depending on the power. Russian small-sized acts in a radius of 1 km, if not mistaken

[Wedmak]

Why did one of the computers continue to blink a Windows image after the shutdown? Or what's up with the windows? It looks like it was the monitors that went down, not the system units.

[alexng]

And it did not immediately turn out to be pulled out of the outlet.

[genad2]

Here !! A new, toughened copyright law has entered into force. Downloading music and movies from the Internet, as well as copying discs bypassing protection is punishable by killing your computer!)) Look out the window - Punishers of computers around us. (announcement 2013))))

[Joker]

Something did not find anything.

[IRBIS]

Well, I wouldn't say that we "didn't succeed". We succeeded in many things that they prefer not to talk about. It's in the Americans' blood - to shout loudly about their achievements even when the result is meager. They've been talking about their missile defense system since the early 80s, but they've only recently achieved acceptable results from its use. And we've had this crap, only one that actually works, covering Moscow since the 70s. So we probably have something similar, too.

[DIMS]

The question is different: can such a rocket damage electronics designed for use in a nuclear war, shielded from an electromagnetic pulse.

[gregor6549]

The issue is not the missile, it is just a carrier. The issue is the filling, i.e. the microwave pulse generator capable of creating an EMI of such power that it damages electronic systems. And if the input circuits of military computer networks can still be protected, then with the protection of the receiving paths of radar and radio communication systems, everything is much more complicated. There is nothing to say about civilian systems. Additional effects of such weapons include the possibility of its direct and destructive impact on the human brain. We are not talking about thermal damage to brain cells, but about the impact on neural cells and brain networks similar to the impact on a computer. That is, this is a type of weapon that can easily paralyze the life of large cities and from which you can’t fight off with a “fur hat”.
Were such work carried out in the USSR?
Yes, they were conducted and very good results were obtained.
Where are they now?
In the same place, as well as everything else, hackneyed in 90 years.
Is it possible to recover?
Undoubtedly. There would be a desire, especially since it is cheaper than creating a new type of ICBM, and the resulting effect is not less or even more.

[Ghosh]

And then I think why the soldiers have iron helmets. Here it is a solution, and you are fur hats

[bobon_]

You are not quite right ... in this case, it is rather a question of radiation power - for simplicity - sufficient to destroy semiconductor devices with the help of induced currents i.e. microcircuits, chips, etc., but lacking in damage to something else from the electrical equipment .... nothing threatens the brain in this case, except for fragments, since even in this rocket explosive EMG is most likely used. and create microwave radiation high density in a large volume - it is unlikely for him ...

[nickname 1 and 2]

gregor6549,
You forgot, our "Kulibins" were erased by Gaidar! In addition, a 20-year lag,
This, my dear fellow, is the intellectual death of those who survived from the one "with the scythe"! And those whom the "green snake" carried off from spiritual breakdown!
And those who went to Israel (or to the same States, or like you to Australia)
those either anchored themselves to the ground with their "belly", or their grandchildren were hanging in their arms.
So there are few of us left here. And our youth, of course, gives hope, but there is nothing better than "...experience, son, of difficult mistakes....",
and ".... with a herd and dad - they beat ...."
Putin gave the signal - come on, guys, it's time to go home! Otherwise, the enemy here will try to beat ours!
Until the station is filled with returnees!

[AAA]

And who is interested in them will allow them to fly with impunity in an alien space? Well, let fools rejoice like little children in a new game.

[Vorchun]

I need to scour Chinese Internet stores, maybe they already have something like this, for about 10 dollars.

[Santa bear]

with two sim cards!

[sq]

Interestingly, is such a rocket protected from retaliation?

[omsbon]

Dear Victor!
I think that this missile has more advertising than destructive properties. It also seems to me that there should be an extremely simple and effective answer to a very complex and expensive product in the form of such a missile. Maybe there is an answer, or maybe it is being developed.

[georg737577]

Firstly, radar systems are protected by attached air defense systems. The missile needs to reach the radar and hit it (it doesn't matter whether it's with a warhead or an electromagnetic pulse). I don't think the radius of an EMP is several kilometers. Secondly, if the enemy managed to fit such a device into the warhead of a missile, then it's entirely possible to make a ground-based installation capable of intercepting cruise missiles and other air targets at low and medium altitudes...

[askort154]

If it was something significant, it would have been classified. But as it is, it looks like loud American advertising to justify the invested dollars.

[WW3]

War can be fought in the information field ...

[DAOSS]

I want to speak in the direction of those Reindeer who put cons to the articles !!!
Would you like to read them? Or immediately determine if achievement in Russia means "-"
Fucking shitty, zadolbali! As soon as the article is not about Russia, so immediately "minus"
Explain to me how you minusers did not like this article.

[Ghosh]

I put a plus for you, dear man, you gutar truth. Cons do not raise the defense. Although people let off steam like that. Why call them

[Blat]

they minus the mind

[lesnik.]

The highly humane weapons of the future will allow the enemy to be defeated without casualties and destruction.

The riddle. When planes shoot high-human weapons and disable radars, what high-human weapons will they load on board for the next call?

[PN]

Well, in order to disable the radar, the duck still needs to fly closer to it. And with long-range missile defense in service it will not be so easy to do.

[PSih2097]

Long-range air defense systems of the S-300, S-400 type are not intended for the destruction of anti-radar missiles, for this there is an air defense system of the middle and near radius and air defense systems (SAM), the same charm with 100 km is launched in the presence of AWACS ...

[taseka]

WHAT CAN YOU SAY HERE - IT'S A BIT OF CRUSHY! - BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA THAT OUR CONTRACT DIVISION WILL ALSO TAKE OUT ALL THE OFFICE EQUIPMENT IN SEVERAL BUILDINGS AND AT THE SAME TIME THE BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NOT BE DAMAGED!!!

[Beck]

Quote: taseka

WHAT CAN YOU SAY HERE - IT'S A BIT OF CRUSHY! - BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA THAT OUR CONTRACT DIVISION WILL ALSO TAKE OUT ALL THE OFFICE EQUIPMENT IN SEVERAL BUILDINGS AND AT THE SAME TIME THE BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NOT BE DAMAGED!!!

Sorry. If you are serious. Where to get to the basement or something. Or to another building for the quarter. So for radiation this is not an obstacle.

[Jin]

taseka,

If ours will be the height, I doubt that it will not suffer!

[PSih2097]

OUR DIVISION OF CONTRACTORS IN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS WILL ALSO MAKE ALL THE OFFICE EQUIPMENT

The laptops will definitely go home, and the computers will go to components ...

[neznayka]

Though kill (zaminusuyte) me, but something I do not understand.

weapons planned to be used against modern super sophisticated passive radars

And why did they suddenly cease to like ordinary rockets? Something earlier, they were not seen in concern about the life and health of democratized peoples and the integrity of their infrastructure. Either an almost massive airstrike is inflicted on a single jeep, then drones bomb the funeral processions and weddings, and then there is such concern for the personnel of the radar calculation (which then must be finished anyway for good). Well, I do not understand them

[Jackyun]

What is there to understand. The Yankees consider themselves to be the navel of the Earth. Like all the suckers, behave, scared. But in fact the lads laundered money and reported type for work.

[Andrey_K]

The light on the advertising cartoon in the houses goes out - but it's a lie, because the rocket does not strike the wiring and the lamps (can it really hit energy-saving lamps? Can we refuse incandescent lamps in vain?)
I wonder what houses they tested this rocket?
If on cardboard huts in the desert, then this is not the same as on concrete houses with iron fittings inside.
An iron cell screens radiation.
True, they say that lightning often disabled televisions, but these were residents of the private sector.
Did someone suffer from lightning in modern buildings?

[gregor6549]

Why hit the power lines? It is enough to hit the computer control system of the power grids, as well as the water and gas supply networks. And at the same time, the control systems of all types of transport and communications. Moreover, with the combined effect of EMI and viruses. Have you seen the movie "Die Hard 4"? An oil painting)))

[Andrey_K]

Well, in the video, a rocket flies over the house, sends an impulse into it, and the light goes out in the house.
A computer network management system is located in a power plant (or substation).

[DIMS]

Or maybe they have electronic bags. And the bulbs are energy saving.

[Andrey_K]

It is necessary to include requirements for shielding radiation from em bombs in the norms for the construction of civilian housing.
(Well, there, for example, to change the shape of the internal reinforcement of concrete blocks and so that the mandatory welding of the ends. In a pinch, add a fine mesh)
The cost of a penny will increase, but civilization will be protected.

[urzul]

It’s a very expensive pleasure, as you will have to make windows into the mesh, and it’s very small. Since the size of the cells depends on the wavelength.

[Andrey_K]

Well, maybe only the frame will be enough ... if it weakens the signal by at least half, then the bomb will already have a twice smaller radius of destruction in the city.
And the windows, conscious citizens, can hang aluminum curtains, in state institutions these are often put.

Or should, in case of war, keep a supply of mesh for pasting houses.
In one of the series I saw - Americans are developing a coating for urban buildings to protect against terrorist attacks (for working in hot spots like Afghanistan) - the film greatly reduces the destructive consequences of close explosions.
Here, add to such a film more requirements for electrical conductivity and, in which case, glue it at home or strategic objects.

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: urzul

Since the size of the cells depends on the wavelength.

Many people don’t know this!

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: Andrey_K

In a pinch add a fine mesh)

Aha! Just to call on a cell phone you have to run out of the house)))

[PSih2097]

It’s enough to hit the computer control system of energy networks, as well as water and gas supply networks And at the same time the control system of all types of transport and communications,

And this is exactly about the Russian Federation ???

[Jackyun]

If my memory serves me right, a grounded fine-mesh screen will not let microwave radiation through. The power of the electromagnetic field at a point in space is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the radiation source. That is, either this thing generates megawatts, or it must get very close to the object. The first is doubtful, due to reasonable restrictions on the power plant, and the effect quickly tends to zero with proper shielding of the equipment. Just a stake in the ground near the KUNG and God knows what it flies for. As for the second - who would let it in!
A computer at home or a camera on the street to burn a lot of mind is not necessary. The Yankees already yelled a lot about their breakthroughs. Either SOI, or some kind of lasers, or rubbish for heating eggs to demonstrators. But in fact, a soap bubble, because it can only be used if a long list of conditions is met.
Oh yeah!!! Iran has already ordered this list!

[ikrut]

I agree. Plus you.
I put my laptop next to the microwave - and it doesn't give a damn. And the wi-fi, the bastard, doesn't react to it either. Although it heats up pretty well inside itself. Except that it doesn't have any directional radiation. Well, a whole building would also need pretty good radiation. What would it be powered by? This all sounds like a hoax. And it reminds me of old tales about SDI. If such things really work, they keep their mouths shut so that the potential enemy would be surprised. And if they blab, then it's unlikely there's anything serious there. IMHO.

[mamba]

Quote: ikrut

So I put a laptop next to the microwave - and at least henna for him. And wi-fi, the infection. also does not react to it in any way. Although it does not warm slightly inside itself. Unless there is only directed radiation in it.

And you lock the door sensor and turn it on with the door open near your laptop. I look forward to the results, including the operation of the Wi-Fi router.

[lesnik.]

"An advanced megaraket with high-voltage microwaves" ... this weapon is planned to be used against modern super complex passive radars.

In response to this, a missile was created in Russia that strikes not only passive but also active radar operators with a gonorrhea.

[Ghosh]

A better syphilis, and let them return home in parts.

[afire]

it’s an ordinary rocket that just as easily goes astray ....
before she begins to work, you need to fly up to the goal, which, in principle, is impossible in good air defense ...

[Nechai]

Quote: Jackyun

If my memory serves me well, a grounded fine-mesh screen does not penetrate microwave radiation

The presence of a shielding circuit is a MANDATORY condition for working with secret info and as protection against various possible electric arc discharges. In the old days, anyway it was. Now they can poheri during optimization.
As an additional way to protect against such crap - duplication and trimming, etc. most vulnerable devices and system sections.
"... The highly humane weapon of the future will defeat the enemy without casualties and destruction. Indeed, almost all modern weapons operate on chips and microcircuits. And enough to really burn all electronics in Iran ... "
- to obtain a strategic eF-fect from such a Muiini, it is necessary that the party subject to such attacks be, well, at a very high-tech level of development. What does the United States correspond to in the first place (they prepare byad for themselves). In any other countries, yes, some damage will be done. To a greater or lesser extent, but not CRITICAL! And those who order this "weapon" understand and understand this perfectly well. The spreading infa pursues the same single goal - to drive the "truth" into the minds of people in various countries of the World - be afraid of us! We are, how omnipotent and invincible! Yes, their downs are trying to instill confidence and a sense of superiority.
Passage about Iran, just touched ... They would have planned such "offensive" with spirits. Precisely bloodless b / actions turned out, from the side of the Mujahideen.

[Bandera]

Quote: Nechai

Yes, they try to instill confidence in their downs and a sense of superiority.

+10500

[PSih2097]

"... The highly humane weapon of the future will allow you to defeat the enemy without casualties and destruction. After all, practically all modern weapons operate on chips and microcircuits.

Division of Soviet ensigns ... Everything will be whole, BUT VALUES will disappear. (from a joke about Gorbachev and Reagan)

[sapulid]

Damn, do not be stupid! Elementary fuses are available. For sim, say goodbye :))

[viktor_ui]

Well, judging by the article - a bonus to aphthurs - the bird works.

[wax]

The most promising and dangerous is an electromagnetic gun in space - for disabling satellites during "shelling" from a maneuvering "shuttle" with a nuclear installation on board. Here is the dilemma - deafening satellites - nuclear button.

[PSih2097]

Here is the dilemma - deaf satellites - the nuclear button.

two buckets with 100 mm nails.

[mamba]

Quote: PSih2097

two buckets with 100 mm nails.

Two cubic meters of broken bricks in oncoming orbit - it’s cheaper, more reliable and it’s like a man!

[ikrut]

And the signal from the "nuclear button" is duplicated many times over all possible communication channels. Satellites are just one of them. On submarines, for example, through VLF transmitters and receivers. There are no "microwave ovens" roll.

[Slevinst]

always and at all times at first a more powerful weapon appeared, then almost immediately protection against it, even if such a missile poses some kind of danger, protection against it most likely already exists

[viruskvartirus]

"against modern super-complex passive radars" it remains to find him and get the survivors.

[the polar]

Let them shoot. All accounting computers, small and medium-sized businesses will be burned, and before they get up, it will collapse again.
And Luntik will be kicked out again at some state council, because he failed to protect small and medium businesses from aggressive competition

[B_KypTke]

Of course, an unpleasant invention, given that our developments in the field of EMP of striking agents were the very first.
But do not write in compote ... it’s enough to screen important buildings, which is not too difficult, especially since we have the only shungite rock deposit in the world.

[urzul]

Explain Shungit then what have to do with it?

[B_KypTke]

Decorated with shungite plates 2-3 cm thick, the room becomes completely isolated from electromagnetic radiation.
http://www.alfa-pol.ru/ekranirovanie

The only shungite deposit is located in Karelia (Russia).
To date, one Zazhoginskoye shungite deposit with reserves of 35 million tons has been explored.

[urzul]

It’s cheaper to use metal in my opinion, Shungit, like any other hydrocarbon, has electrical conductivity

[B_KypTke]

The fact of the matter is that a screen of metal mesh reflects both from the outside and from the inside, making the work of the operators very harmful.
And the magical properties of shungite make it possible to reflect external radiation and absorb internal. Quote:

What can be done to not only get rid of external electromagnetic “sounds”, but also to neutralize the effect of internal? To solve this problem, music and sound recording studios use special materials that have both reflective and absorbing properties.

These properties are possessed by the shielding building mixture from the company "ALFAPOL". The composition of this mixture includes natural materials schungite and magnesite, which in combination with each other give a high degree of protection against external radiation.

[B_KypTke]

What can be done to not only get rid of external electromagnetic “sounds”, but also to neutralize the effect of internal? To solve this problem, music and sound recording studios use special materials that have both reflective and absorbing properties.

These properties are possessed by the shielding building mixture from the company "ALFAPOL". The composition of this mixture includes natural materials schungite and magnesite, which in combination with each other give a high degree of protection against external radiation. But, what is most interesting, magnesia-shungite plaster also provides absorption and attenuation of internal EMFs.

[vikruss]

All this garbage, one of the many methods of attempts to intimidate Russia. You just need to screen all rooms with computer equipment. And to the States to deliver an ultimatum, if at least one of this rocket gets close to Russia, then we will blow just one charge in space about 200-300 km over the USA. Experts say that this could, to put it mildly, "shut down" the entire country for a couple of years. Secondly, such a "terrible rocket" needs to get very close to the object of influence, because the horizon itself will not allow it. But here's a hobbyhorse, such dangerous and very very expensive toys shouldn't fly, they should be "abolished" in time. The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. Well, in treytykh, Sakharov also came up with a theory of an electromagnetic pulse, so the time has come to work in this area more seriously. The United States, with all its advanced technologies, has one drawback, even two. 1. They are very, very vulnerable in relation to the electromagnetic pulse, only a fool can think that Russia does not understand this or does not work or will not start working on this topic. 2. Bsya this rubbish is very, very expensive And in a small war it can and will bring some kind of success, but in a serious conflict, no one will even think to produce them, I'm sure. Too much other stuff needed. With all their statements about super technologies, they cannot put things in order even in Afghanistan, mind you, Niktor from the super powers does not provide the Mujahideen with serious military assistance, but it was from the USSR.

RESPECT TO RUSSIA.

[kenvas]

I support 100% + from me

[escobar]

Tube blocks again rule.

[Roomata]

The good news for Serdyukov is not to spend money on new developments, the yachts will be burned and the old one, so we ordered repair)

[Averias]

Our answer to "Chamberlain" :))
The press published reports on the creation in Russia of prototypes of EMR weapons in the form of rocket-propelled grenades intended for electromagnetic suppression of the tank’s active defense system. Russia already has experimental samples of 100-mm and 130-mm electromagnetic shells, 40-mm, 105-mm and 125-mm electromagnetic rockets, 122-mm electromagnetic warheads of unguided missiles [18].
At the LIMA-2001 exhibition in Malaysia (2001), Russia demonstrated a working model of the Ranets-E combat EMP generator (Defense Systems Daily, 26.10.2001). This complex was created as a means of defending mobile electronic equipment against precision weapons. The new system consists of an antenna, a high-power generator, a control subsystem, a measurement setup and a power supply. "Backpack-E" can be made in stationary and mobile versions. Its radiation power in a 10–20 ns pulse in the centimeter wavelength range exceeds 500 MW. Such parameters, according to Rosoboronexport, allow hitting guidance systems and electronic equipment of precision-guided munitions and guided missiles at a distance of up to 10 km in a 60-degree sector (ITAR-TASS Agency, 12.10.92/XNUMX/XNUMX).

[Kaa]

Quote: Averias

EMP generator "Backpack-E" (

It looks impressive, who knows, at least is in service?
A "gun" "firing" impulses through the antenna of 50dB, can completely disable the aircraft electronics at a distance of 12-14 kilometers, and serious failures of navigation systems, endangering the performance of a combat mission, will be observed at a distance of 40 kilometers!

[mamba]

Quote: Kaa

A "gun" "firing" impulses through the antenna of 50dB, can completely disable the aircraft electronics at a distance of 12-14 kilometers, and serious failures of navigation systems, endangering the performance of a combat mission, will be observed at a distance of 40 kilometers!

So the control was found for anti-radar missiles. First, we lure HARM with our radar, and then turn on the "Satchel-E".

[v53993]

Nobody has yet canceled theoretical electrodynamics, as well as Maxwell's equations. Complete nonsense.
Firstly, elementary protected systems will not have the declared impact. Therefore, it does not say about the degree of protection of objects during the test.
Secondly, in the atmosphere the attenuation in this range is so strong that the range is insignificant. And who will let this rocket come so close?

[Mr.Fox]

Here's a quick solution to the problem. Transmit a signal on various frequencies to self-destruct the missile before it reaches the target. It's just launched from the carrier and caught this smart interference, and then suddenly "hello, America". What frequencies to transmit and what exactly needs to be developed.
Well, as a temporary (or additional) measure - to create an analogue so that the one who shoots first wins.

[bobon_]

After reading this... article, questions arise... for example - what to do with shielded computer systems using optics at the input-output?... why such complications? why save electrical wiring, etc. in the above-mentioned houses? after all, simpler technologies have been developed to the point of boundless cheapness (it seems that "humanity" towards the civilian population is on everyone's lips....and also "modern super-complex passive radars" use reflected waves from third-party emitters - CIVILIAN! It is difficult to imagine, or rather impossible! A zone of active combat operations with the use of aviation, high-precision weapons - cruise missiles, all kinds of AB, guided artillery ammunition, etc. (the imagination of the reader of this post can, and should, run wild) with civilian hydroelectric, thermal, nuclear power plants and other power plants that have not been disabled, which continue to supply all the great many civilian (and not only) radio-emitting objects, so familiar in peacetime ... and 200% de-energized at the first enemy strikes

[gregor6549]

Guys, let's still look at things simply.
We are talking about a real weapon system that is already undergoing tests and to which a number of commentators are trying to counter with theoretically possible methods of protection, which in reality practically do not exist and will not appear any time soon. And there is no need to lump everything together: radars, computers, military and civilian infrastructure, etc. Especially since many weapon systems are created by the US primarily for local conflicts, i.e. against countries whose infrastructures are very weak and very poorly protected.
And one more thing. In the USA, not a single weapon model is created just like that and money is not allocated for it. Such development is preceded by a very serious analysis and technical and economic justification of the feasibility of such development, including an analysis of the areas of combat use.
Naturally, there are miscalculations and underestimations of some factors, but overall the system works. In the case of this missile, all theoretical developments, experimental studies and technical and economic justifications were carried out by the AFRL laboratory of the US Air Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Research_Laboratory, which is engaged in the development of the so-called Direct Energy Weapon (Direct Energy Weapon), i.e. laser, microwave, etc., after which the Boeing company took up the practical implementation of the development, which also, without calculating everything that can be calculated, does nothing.
It is necessary to add that China has been actively engaged in similar developments recently. And therefore it is necessary to giggle less at the "stupid" Americans, quickly get out of the stash our own reserves in this area and bring them to mind. Well, and to worry about protection from this "dirty trick" not in theory, but in reality.

[WW3]

It's hard to disagree with you, only a plus ....

[Cat]

Quote: gregor6549

In the United States, no weapons are simply created and no money is allocated for them. Such a development is preceded by a very serious analysis and a feasibility study of the appropriateness of such a development, including an analysis of the areas of combat use.

Well, yes, absolutely. How many ovations there were for the airborne anti-missile laser. They even mounted it on a Boeing and successfully tested it. And then - silence and oblivion. Apparently, not everything turned out as cozy as they said in the advertising. And it would be fine if it was a fundamentally new technology, during the development of which various kinds of "pitfalls" are quite possible, which are unrealistic in principle to calculate and foresee - but no... There were also similar developments in the USSR, although for a slightly different purpose - the Stiletto and Compression systems. Which ultimately never went into production, and one of the reasons is banal to the point of impossibility: in a more or less opaque atmosphere (smoke, dust, fog, etc.), the effectiveness of the system drops quickly and categorically. I doubt that the Americans did not know about these developments. Or did they hope that the war would be fought strictly in proving grounds, or rather even in laboratory conditions? Also unlikely. It is clear that in the sky (where planes fly) there is much less dust and smoke than on the ground (where tanks fight), but various kinds of atmospheric ugliness like clouds - no one has yet cancelled them. And nevertheless - a wonder weapon was made, money was spent, victory reports were composed. With a deliberately predictable result. Somehow this does not look like a serious, well-founded approach. But - it very much looks like a cut-up defense budget, or, at best, scientific research based on the principle of "what if something useful does come out of it."
The famous Abrams - which is still being improved with a file, and there is no end in sight.
The F-117 was taken out of service in 2008, although the older F-16 still flies and is still being produced.
And this list of examples of "serious analysis and feasibility" can go on and on. And to calculate how much of the budget was spent on them - that's generally an activity for optimists =))

[gregor6549]

Dear Mr. Kot, although perhaps sir. Firstly, it would be good if you did not tear out individual phrases from the text but read the entire text. Secondly, we are not talking about applause but about the arms procurement system that exists in the USA. As in any system of successful developments, not 100% are accepted into service, but the system works. It is difficult to say whether such a system exists in Russia now, but judging by the endless lurching from one extreme to another, this system is still far from the American one. And where the budget is being sawed off more is also a question, although the answer to it is clear to everyone.
Examples with Abrams and F117 are not examples either.
Firstly, both the Abrams and the F117 fought and quite successfully. The fact that the Yugoslavs managed to bring the only F117 to the ground only says that the Yugoslavs had a competent air defense unit commander who figured out how to detect this "bird" by disturbances in the cellular field cells, which speaks of the intelligence of certain individuals, but does not mean that the F117 was a revolutionary aircraft for its time. Now the Americans are already developing the 5th generation of aircraft using "stealth" technology, relying not only on these technologies but also arming them, unlike the "toothless" F117, with a very serious set of the most modern weapons. That is, a normal evolutionary process is underway, in which shortcomings and lessons learned from combat experience are taken into account.
The same goes for Abrams. Precisely because Americans know how to count money, they are not in a hurry to churn out more and more new systems, which the USSR was guilty of in its time, but they modernize existing ones until modernization makes sense. This applies not only to Abrams but also to many other weapons systems (ships, aircraft, etc.)
And the last one. When creating laser and microwave weapon systems, Americans are fully aware of the conditions under which these systems can be used, and where there are serious limitations on this application.
So, sir, don't lump everything together and underestimate the "stupid Americans". The Germans were also underestimated at one time and called all sorts of names. And the word "stupid" was not the strongest one.
What came out of this underestimation is known to all. And some of the legacy of these "stupid Germans" is still used by both the US and Russia, often presenting German developments as the achievements of their scientists and engineers.

[Cat]

I read the whole text, besides, I never said that Americans are stupid.
What are we talking about? About how new combat systems are created and how they are adopted into service.
And the examples I have cited are not so much an example of stupidity as an example of the lack of vaunted analysis and expediency.
The F117 was removed from service not because of large combat losses, and not even because of the high accident rate - the very concept of such an aircraft turned out to be erroneous. And it would be fine if this error had surfaced during calculations or tests... no, it happened after the aircraft was launched into production and took part in combat operations. This is either a trial and error method, or a banal embezzlement of the budget. Or do you have other options? =))
Abrams - read the history of its creation and modernization at your leisure. I'm just too lazy to list all the mistakes made by the developers, many of which are so obvious - that it is difficult to explain them by the stupidity of engineers. And it is easy to explain them by lobbying the commercial interests of some manufacturing companies =))
And energy weapons, the authority of whose creators you refer to, are a whole other story. The famous microwave guns, hummers with a plate on the roof - "humane non-lethal weapons" - are in all the newspapers, in reports from Iraq, etc., etc. Where did they disappear to overnight? But the Internet is full of sensations like "weapons against one's own", interviews with disabled people - former microwave gun operators... even if most of these sensations are inflated, the facts are distorted, and the interviews are edited - but there is no smoke without fire. And no comments from the military, neither negative (which is natural), nor positive - which, given the Americans' habit of praising their valiant army, is very suspicious.
And in addition - you, dear (sir)), also do not bother yourself with careful reading of other people's comments. I had a phrase:

Quote: Cat

a fundamentally new technique, in the development of which all sorts of "pitfalls" are quite possible, which are impossible to calculate and foresee in principle

That is, the American military (as well as ours, and all the others too) spend significant amounts of money on developing various kinds of "dummies". And this is right - without lengthy research and testing, it is simply impossible to find out the futility of some directions. But it is wrong to declare that "everything is calculated in advance, everything is justified and expedient". As well as to loudly shout about the super-efficiency of a new weapon, created in a single copy and tested in conditions "far from combat." Especially considering that the real use of some other advertised "super" - quickly proved their inconsistency...

[nickname 1 and 2]

Cat,

Quote: Cat

There is a "scientific poke" method, or a banal cut of the budget.

You +, me too, it seems that this can't be! There are a lot of our guys there! So what? Have they completely changed? It can't be! And where are their cries about the rotten system? Where is their spirit of critics? Has it evaporated? I don't believe it! And what if they became PATRIOTS of the States? Maybe they bought into those American trinkets a little? Maybe they "re-faced" themselves in the backbreaking plowing for the long dollar??? No way! Where did their "offal" go???
It's not that simple! The mouths there are sealed tightly! You can't croak, you can't peep! Democrrratiya. Mother of it!

[nickname 1 and 2]

gregor6549,

Quote: gregor6549

Is there such a system now in Russia

- if our 5th column is sent to the Americans, and some articles are returned to our constitution, then our developments will be the best in the world. And the 5th column will criticize all the affairs of the Americans and the affairs will not be so brilliant.

There are no miracles in this world! And Lefty in Russia, as we know!