Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink

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Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink
"Skif-D" close-up in the assembly hall of JSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician M. F. Reshetnev. Source: roscosmos.ru


Better late than never


On October 23, three Gonets-M satellites and the first of its kind Skif-D satellite entered their orbits. Delivery from the Vostochny cosmodrome was carried out by the Soyuz-2.16 launch vehicle and the Fregat upper stage. With a delay of more than four years, Russia has a hope for the appearance of an analogue of the American Starlink. This hope is still timid - only a demonstrator satellite has been put into orbit (hence the index D), and the first working satellites are expected no earlier than the middle of next year.



"Skif-D" appeared in a difficult time. Not only did the engineers have to work in a forced mode and meet the deadline of twelve months, but the sanctions also imposed serious restrictions.


Skif-D and several more Gonets-M vehicles are sent into space from Vostochny. Source: roscosmos.ru

According to Oleg Grafodatsky, Chief Designer of Multi-Satellite Systems JSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician M.F. Now it remains to check the performance of the "Skif" in orbit.

By the way, the satellite operates at heights previously undeveloped by Russia - about 8 thousand km. Spacecraft designer Ivan Zimin comments on the choice of just such a height:

"Skif-D" became the first in the whole history domestic satellite industry by a spacecraft, which was launched into a medium circular orbit at a height of 8 km with a polar inclination of 070°. Its choice is due to the following features.

First, the ability to serve northern latitudes that are inaccessible to traditional satellites in geostationary orbit, including the regions of the Far North, the Arctic, the Northern Sea Route and cross-polar air routes.

Secondly, the need for a small number of satellites for sustainable service of the territory of Russia.

Thirdly, the optimal balance between the height of the orbit, the visibility time of spacecraft for the subscriber and the number of satellites needed to serve Russia.”

When compared with competitors - first of all, OneWeb and Starlink - this is very high. The brainchild of Elon Musk rotates 300-600 km, and the products of the OneWeb project rotate 1 km. The low orbit of Starlink, on the one hand, avoids delays in signal transmission and does not require particularly powerful transceivers, and, on the other hand, the system needs more satellites. The lower the orbit, the smaller the coverage area of ​​one satellite.

The Russian "Scythians" do not claim to be a global system, they are designed to provide broadband Internet only to the territory of Russia, and therefore are limited to a dozen orbital vehicles. The transmitters are planned to be launched in two queues - six satellites each. The expected service life of each Skif is about twelve years. The logic of the domestic satellite Internet is similar to the American Starlink.

Information hubs operate on Earth, broadcasting and receiving streams from the Scythian group in orbit. The satellites themselves are typical repeaters with data rates up to 300 megabits/sec. At the end of October, the first technology demonstrator was launched into orbit, but the ground user terminals were not shown. There is every reason to believe that these will be powerful antennas with built-in Wi-Fi routers. This will allow organizing communication anywhere in the country through ordinary smartphones.

This is the key advantage of Starlink in Ukraine. Bandera has a lot of American equipment (more than 10-15 thousand copies), which makes it possible to equip even the crews of museum-aged cannons and howitzers, turning them into modern weapon. The link "artillery gun - reconnaissance drone - Starlink terminal" has become one of the deadliest among Bandera. The time has come to do something similar for the Russian army, and the first step has already been taken. Only now the Scythians will no longer work on a special operation - even in a partially operational state, the group of satellites will be released in a couple of years. Unless, of course, the timing shifts strongly to the right.

The All-Encompassing "Sphere"


"Skif-D" is one of the first-born of a large Russian program for the development of low Earth orbits called "Sphere". If Skif products are responsible for the future broadband Internet throughout the country, then the Marathon IoT system is a unique complex integrated into the Internet of things. At 700-800 kilometers above the Earth, hundreds, and later thousands of small-sized satellites will rotate, communication with which can be maintained through handheld devices. This is especially valuable in conditions where there is no GSM coverage in the territory.

A person who is in trouble somewhere in the area of ​​the Northern Sea Route can use a small-sized gadget to send a distress signal. So far, this device bears the name "Life Button" and is an individual analogue of the automobile "ERA-GLONASS". The Life Button will work without a telephone and a bulky power supply system, since the Marathon orbit allows this. We are not talking about high-speed information transfer - the satellite is used as a repeater of simple signals from devices of the Internet of things (Internet of things, IoT) format.

Satellites weighing only 45–50 kg are planned to be produced on a conveyor. According to Yevgeny Nesterov, general director of the lead developer of ISS JSC, one Marathon-class satellite at the plant should be born every other day. Given that the service life of products in orbit does not exceed five years, the conveyor will not stand idle for a long time. If we consider the peaceful mission of this system, then first of all "Marathons" will broadcast information from sea and river vessels, as well as aircraft from the most remote regions of Russia.

In addition, the system will learn to automatically correct the signals of GLONASS geopositioning satellites. "Marathons" will take the place of the lowest orbital systems of the Russian space group, and in the future they will work in conjunction with the "Gonets" system, whose devices rotate at one and a half thousand kilometers. The logic is as follows - the ground device broadcasts a signal to one of the Marathons, which can relay information to a high-ranking Messenger. The latter, through a ground operator, transmits a signal to the subscriber. But "Marathons" can work without intermediaries.

As mentioned above, satellites have a very extensive civil service - from monitoring the sagging and heating of power lines to warning about floods and earthquakes. The cost of the simplest sensors together with a modem does not exceed 400 rubles, and the life of one battery reaches ten years. The average cost of a full-fledged personal communication device is planned to be around one and a half thousand rubles. By the way, they plan to cover the entire globe with Marathons.






"Skif-D" is being prepared for orbit. Source: roscosmos.ru

The All-Seeing Eye, just a few hundred kilometers away, would be an excellent military system. First of all, to create a field of control drones different class. Small heights, as mentioned above, make it possible to avoid large time delays, which is critical for drums. drones.

Let's move on from the individual elements of the "Sphere" to its detailed structure.

For the first time, satellite devices of this system were discussed in 2018. Since then, the concept has been slightly transformed and in its current state is a concept of 137 Marathon satellites, twelve Skif products and four Express-RV satellites. The latter are responsible for "mobile communications for public consumers throughout Russia."

According to Sergei Prokhorov, Director of the Department of Advanced Programs and the Sphere Project of the Roscosmos State Corporation, if the Skifs will broadcast satellite Internet for everyone and for everyone, then the Express - RV - for the high latitudes of Russia and especially for the routes of the Northern sea ​​route. The Sphere also includes 84 Berkut-O surveillance cameras, Berkut-VD high-detail reconnaissance vehicles, and 12 Berkut-X radar observers.

The first component of the system is already in space (we are talking about the Skif-D demonstrator), the next step is the experimental satellites of the Marathon series, which are due to fly next year. "Express - RV" is planned no earlier than 2025. The full operation of all components of the Sphere in orbit is planned by the end of the 2020s. The total amount of project financing will be about 180 billion rubles.

Let's return to the main issue of the material. Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink?

Despite all the optimism of the article, if it is possible, then not earlier than in five or six years. As mentioned above, the "Sphere" and its components are needed by the Russian army yesterday.
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  1. +12
    28 October 2022 05: 07
    Satellites are good, but now it remains to provide the troops with reliable, unpretentious equipment, such as tablet computers, and most importantly, train people to use all this economy skillfully
    1. +7
      28 October 2022 07: 42
      I’m already lost in these “projects” from Roskosmos ... They will show it, then they will change it, then they will forget it ... then they will again pull it out to the public ... when will planned work begin with 10-20 year terms? With a guarantee that the next leader will not change priorities?
      1. +3
        29 October 2022 19: 07
        when will planned work with 10-20 year terms begin?

        When they hammer a nail (even if not the last one) into the lid of the coffin of the liberdas, when the main thing is to grab and dump. A start has been made - there is nowhere to dump it ...
    2. 0
      28 October 2022 14: 40
      "skillfully use" while all these: "Messengers" or "spheres" exist in single copies and there is no need for a large number of trained specialists, but as soon as such devices go into series. Then there will be a need for a mass of trained specialists.
  2. +3
    28 October 2022 05: 08
    Mdaaa not words ... again we are trailing at the tail of the train of progress ... well, at least we managed to jump into the last car. The result of the work of the leadership of Roscosmos is obvious ... negative ... however, I am not surprised.
    1. +2
      28 October 2022 05: 17
      Let us recall at least Bulychev, "The Village" .........
    2. 0
      28 October 2022 11: 54
      compare funding, the same starlink mask received tens of yards of dollars
      1. 0
        28 October 2022 23: 11
        Well, there was so much money in Russia over the past 20 years that they didn’t know what to do with it, so more than 300 billion dollars are now stuck abroad. And I have no doubt no matter how much money Rogozin was given, the result would be the same. Because if there is no specific goal, the result will be the same. Musk set a goal to make money on the space launch market, the second goal is to make money on the satellite Internet, the key word is to make money everywhere, that is, to make a profit.
    3. +4
      28 October 2022 12: 42
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The result of the work of the leadership of Roscosmos is obvious ... negative ... however, I am not surprised.

      Probably yes, especially since it’s better for you to see something from Android ... although .. why did you decide that the result is negative?
      As I understand it, Ragozin had his own money printing press and Ragozin financed himself, he gave assignments to subcontractors, he himself decided to launch a rocket for him ... or did he wait until the satellites were finished, and then ... launch a rocket? Lyokha, what do you think, did Ragozin at least put the president up to date? Or the fait accompli of his decision to create the "Sphere" program shoved under the president's nose ... like .. well, you know, right?
      I'm just losing weight with you guys laughing laughing laughing good
      R.S. Is everyone like that on Android?
      1. +1
        28 October 2022 14: 27
        But did he have money to color K.A.?
        1. +5
          28 October 2022 14: 54
          Quote: vadim dok
          But did he have money to color K.A.?

          Yeah... found a treasure!
      2. +2
        28 October 2022 14: 43
        "On Android, everyone is like that" either. Tilko especially advanced
    4. +4
      28 October 2022 22: 32
      Roskosmos does not produce microelectronics. He launches rockets. And its result is a zero accident rate, which, against the backdrop of constantly falling planes and helicopters, looks like some kind of anomaly. Probably due to a lack of restraint in the head, but this has already been fixed.
  3. 0
    28 October 2022 05: 15
    If not on paper, then he can, with a lag of years by ...... tsat.
    1. +3
      28 October 2022 09: 03
      This is exactly what the author is hinting at - "Unless, of course, the deadlines move much to the right."
      As if anyone doubts it. Or as if once Roskosmos was different.
      The unfortunate "Luna-25" still can't bring it to mind, it keeps on trying and endures the launch from year to year.
      1. -6
        28 October 2022 12: 47
        Quote from: skeptick2
        As if anyone doubts it. Or as if once Roskosmos was different.
        The unfortunate "Luna-25" still can't bring it to mind, it keeps on trying and endures the launch from year to year.

        what As I understand it, I slept for 8 months and I had a terrible dream that we were at war with Ukraine ..... ufff thank God that this is just a dream and we are friends with Ukraine, but with the United States we so easily kiss passionately. fellow good
        what So what are you talking about Roscosmos then?
        1. +4
          28 October 2022 16: 55
          Thanks for the CWO reminder, but I'm, you know, aware that it's on. Already 8 months. I just don’t understand what side Ukraine has to the project, the development of which has begun seventeen years back.
          Let us suppose. Let's say the NWO slowed down the launch of the device this year.
          And what prevented the launch of the device in 2014?
          And in 2016?
          What prevented the launch of Luna-26 in 2018?
          And Luna-27 in 2019?
          Why didn't Luna-25 launch in 2019?
          Then in 2021?
          It is clear that every time Roskosmos has good and valid reasons to justify it.
          That is SVO. Then Sweden withdrew from the project. That is a problem with "Bius-L" and "DISD-LR". Those are engine problems. Then the ESA took the Pilot-D.
          But when you start to get acquainted with the Russian (not to be confused with the Soviet) lunar epic, for some reason, the proverb about a filthy dancer who always gets in the way also comes to mind.
  4. -5
    28 October 2022 05: 25
    Why copy Starlink is difficult to understand if stationary airships can be used as repeaters, or balloons in large cities, and possibly UAVs.
    1. +6
      28 October 2022 05: 33
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      you can use stationary airships, or balloons in large cities and possibly UAVs.

      Yes, you are like Tsiolkovsky ... a dreamer ... with our ossified system of introducing everything new, this is how ist fanstatish will give. request
    2. -5
      28 October 2022 11: 49
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      Why copy Starlink is difficult to understand if stationary airships can be used as repeaters, or balloons in large cities, and possibly UAVs.

      Russia follows a different concept.

      Backbone communication is provided through fiber optic cables.
      For home users - house wiring.
      For mobile users - through cellular communication stations (no satellites and balls are needed).
      For users in the wilderness, sailors, military and emergency services - they make a sufficient number of satellite communication channels (video-voice and Internet).

      The total transition to satellite communications is nothing more than fashionable populism with idiocy. Are you comfortable when there is a radar station or a powerful communications station near you? The psychosis about the harm of mobile phones is not so unfounded, and with voice communication, the exchange takes place in very compact data packets, and when using the Internet with pictures and videos, the exchange is carried out with huge amounts of data - this is already a large amount of long-term radiation, which, with the space version, leads to permanently strong irradiation of the Earth's surface and causing great harm.
      Those who suffer from satellite Internet in the city will quickly start writing books like "My Life in the Microwave".

      Let the Musk satellite Greta Tumberg come !!!
      1. -3
        28 October 2022 14: 50
        Here comes the "double-edged sword": satellite Internet benefits and harms, what more?
      2. 0
        30 October 2022 05: 21
        As an active user of a mobile phone since the beginning of the 90s, I can say that: "My life in the microwave" has already taken place for me a long time ago, as well as for all other residents of any significant settlements. Elon Musk uses portable mobile stations to ensure the operation of the Internet for each individual user, since a standard mobile phone cannot provide a sufficient signal level for full-fledged work with STARLINK, which significantly increases the cost of the proposed service. I meant that in the Russian version there is no need to sell a portable additional station to each user - in fact, a signal amplifier, as was the case in the 90s with Motorola and NOKIA, but it is quite possible to get by with collective amplifiers placed anywhere up to airships and UAVs ( which provide at least 24 hours of flight and a good cost price). By the way, the translators (amplifiers) placed on the UAV can also be used by the military in the zone of the NMD, including - this will provide them with both stealth and coverage without the need for heavy, portable equipment for stable communications. Something like this.
    3. +4
      28 October 2022 13: 52
      All this topographic communication is too unstable and unstable due to the troposphere, satellite communication was not invented from good conditions on earth.
  5. +12
    28 October 2022 05: 25
    The link "artillery gun - reconnaissance drone - Starlink terminal" has become one of the deadliest among Bandera.
    What is all this nonsense? Starlink does not work with drones, even with medium ones, its task is stable communication.
    Well, what is the competitor for a commercial, self-sustaining structure with mass IN-LINE production of satellites from a semi-military piece, and even a regional project? That's right, none!
    It's like comparing Toyota with Aurus.
    But ours are still great, naturally contrary to what they are doing.
  6. 0
    28 October 2022 06: 07
    Being late is probably a national idea request
    1. +6
      28 October 2022 06: 47
      To get lost in three pines is not between three dunes or in three canyons.
      Eternity and space goes well with the saying "life is a penny."
      Or no hyphen.
  7. +2
    28 October 2022 06: 20
    kapets. Apparently, until the fat spirit evaporates, nothing sensible will appear. Are we living in the 70s? give Major Musk a little more money and you'll be sure...
  8. -5
    28 October 2022 06: 32
    And so... there are 9 messages ahead of me and they are all against Russia. Strange isn't it? Or maybe it's not strange at all, but usually?
    1. +5
      28 October 2022 08: 04
      You are confusing Russia and the current government in Russia. Moreover, the latter work against the former. This becomes obvious to all normal people. Therefore, the negative against the current government is growing.
      1. -9
        28 October 2022 08: 20
        OK. What power do you like? And how did you easily define normal... Normality is a rather relative concept. You are normal - I am not, I am normal - you are not. Is growing negative against the current government? This is an unfounded assertion. No, I'm not for the current government, I'm for communism, because. I do not see another formation after capitalism, capitalism cannot exist forever. BUT! during the war, running into power, you become a traitor.
        1. -7
          28 October 2022 08: 34
          And if the power belongs to the traitors?
          Then it is the duty of a patriot to oppose her!
          1. -12
            28 October 2022 08: 53
            Okay, you think that the authorities are incompetent, this is normal, there are always a certain number of people in the country who hate the authorities. It always happens that way. You are most likely a Ukrainian and do not be offended by me for qualifying you like that, you are simply visible ... you can see with the naked eye.
            1. +5
              28 October 2022 08: 58
              Ha-ha-ha!
              I am a simple Russian oilman (gas worker, gold miner was) working on a shift.
              But I'm not offended, people like you are always ready to stick a label, for lack of arguments.
              What - the installation did not come on time?
              1. -5
                28 October 2022 09: 20
                Oh, sorry, I was a gold miner at a certain time in my life. And it is not discussed. What machines do you work on? You work on a shift, but I live here. Severo-Yeniseisky district, pos. Thea. Zif-650 tells you something? And UKBshka says?
                1. +3
                  28 October 2022 09: 27
                  I didn't have a pass for Zif.
                  I worked in the PTO, monitored heavy vehicles
                  Three-thousander machines, with synchronizers and 600 pumps, but we drilled 4200 square meters without SVP, Volgogradka 2900, ubk 250, etc., did not work on 5000s
                  What are the grips?
                  What is GNVP?
                  1. -4
                    28 October 2022 09: 47
                    What are drill bits? I don't know what GNVP is. I was mainly involved in drilling blasting. Zif -650 was just on gold, at that time I was still a driller, do you know how Zif turned on with a kick? He himself worked at UKB 450, a convenient machine, not like ZIF
                    1. +1
                      28 October 2022 09: 50
                      And how should I know about crowns, I'm not a chisel!
                      And you seem to be talking about these funny drills on caterpillars?
                      And I'm talking about normal drilling rigs for oil and gas!
                      PS: and I understood zif as a gold recovery factory
                      1. -7
                        28 October 2022 10: 00
                        Yes, I'm talking about funny drills on ... no, not on tracks, they were normal drilling rigs that pulled tractors. And where I worked and work is medium drilling. If not for this average, then your wife would not have gold on her ears.
              2. -4
                28 October 2022 12: 51
                Quote: aars
                I work on shift

                9 am... what do you have a watch like sailors?
                1. +3
                  28 October 2022 14: 02
                  No, a month, two, six months...
                  We'll see how it goes.
                  Now I have a rest shift and nothing to do
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      2. -6
        28 October 2022 08: 38
        Mr. ColdWind, namely, Mr., your minus for me is like a balm for the soul. So I'm doing something right. :)
        1. +10
          28 October 2022 08: 44
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Mr. ColdWind, namely, Mr., your minus for me is like a balm for the soul. So I'm doing something right. :)

          I did not give you a minus, so you write incorrectly. Based on your logic. (If it's important to you, keep three +, I don't feel sorry) If you consider me a master, I don't mind either.
          In general, @aars answered you, in the video sent to them everything is put on the shelves. That's all for me.
          1. -7
            28 October 2022 08: 59
            It is impossible to put three pluses unless you are from CIPSO and do not work from different accounts.
            1. +10
              28 October 2022 09: 18
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              It is impossible to put three pluses

              Okay, hold the fourth + wink
              1. -6
                28 October 2022 09: 37
                I did not see anything, well, if you so want let it be the tenth. :)
      3. -5
        28 October 2022 16: 19
        No, you're lying. The dominance of the Bandera people will be piled up, for whom everything that is bad is shaken into a buzz, and what is good, then blaspheme.
    2. +1
      29 October 2022 13: 29
      Since September, VO has not been recognized. It seems "for" Russia, but ...
  9. -7
    28 October 2022 06: 48
    Stalinki need to start shooting down. The earlier the better.
    1. 0
      28 October 2022 07: 35
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Stalinki need to start shooting down. The earlier the better.

      Utopia! But it is quite possible to put pressure, even on a theater of operations.
    2. +13
      28 October 2022 09: 01
      How to shoot down oldlinks?
      One Nudoli per Starlink? So Nudols will run out quickly.
      Hoping to litter the orbits? So they fly their own there, and the PLA will also come to visit the scavengers and fill their faces, because the space exploration program under Xi is priority No. 1, No. 2 fleet.

      And yet, there is such a moment as an answer. Americans can also shoot down satellites. The only difference is that Russia has 5-7 conditional optical / radio reconnaissance satellites.

      I am already silent that a blow to the property of the government of the United States = war with the states.
      1. -4
        28 October 2022 10: 05
        1. This is not US Government property.
        2. This property works against us. This has been proven by us and by Musk himself.
        There are no legal issues here.
        Missiles are expensive to shoot down. There was a project for an anti-satellite missile for the MiG31. You can try a powerful laser from high-mountain control stations in the KChR. Even if the laser does not destroy, it will ruin something in the satellite.
        1. +4
          28 October 2022 13: 40
          This is not US government property.

          In this case, you are confusing jurisdiction and directly ownership. This is the property of a company registered in the United States.
          An analogy with sea vessels, while the vessel is in international waters, it (the vessel) is subject to the jurisdiction of the country in which the company to which the vessel belongs is registered.
          There are no legal issues here.

          You are very mistaken.
          1. -3
            28 October 2022 13: 49
            In any case, they have more to lose than us.....and these satellites work directly for the enemy. SP-1 and SP-2 are also our property ....
            1. +4
              28 October 2022 14: 00
              They have more to lose than us

              Are you so sure about this? o.o
              1. -2
                28 October 2022 14: 02
                In terms of satellites and underwater communications - absolutely
  10. +5
    28 October 2022 07: 45
    Can not. Since too short a comment does not allow posting, I repeat - it cannot.
  11. +6
    28 October 2022 08: 15
    Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink?
    It will not be able in any case, satellites:
    typical repeaters with data rates up to 300 megabits/sec
    That is 300 for all.
    And meanwhile:
    Average Starlink Satellite Internet Speed, Measured in 15 Countries, Exceeds 100 Mbps
    , отсюда: https://www.ixbt.com/news/2022/03/18/starlink-15-100.html
    That is, a skiff can serve 2-3 subscribers with comparable quality.
    The article itself is most similar to a provocation - you can’t seriously compare a cart with a Belaz.
    For limited tasks with a small number of low-speed subscribers, for example, the army system is useful.
    But it's not even close to Starlink.
    1. -4
      28 October 2022 12: 13
      Quote: aars
      Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink?

      Do you need it?
      How can Starlink help you?
      There is fiber optics and there is cellular - enough for the population.
      Quote: aars
      That is 300 for all.

      This is about one Wi-Fi channel for the user - isn't it clear.
      Quote: aars
      That is, a skiff can serve 2-3 subscribers with comparable quality.

      Beware of your own delusions - they cause consequences.
      Quote: aars
      But it's not even close to Starlink.

      Household Starlink is for people in underdeveloped territories.
      Military, naval, service - Russia will have its own, in sufficient volume, without harmful excesses.
      1. +3
        28 October 2022 14: 06
        This is about one Wi-Fi channel for the user - isn't it clear.
        No need for fairy tales
        The satellites themselves are typical repeaters with data rates up to 300 megabits/sec.
        Satellites, not terminals!
        Military, naval, official - Russia will have its own
        What am I talking about?
        Starlink is by no means a competitor at all.
        1. 0
          29 October 2022 11: 31
          Quote: aars
          What am I talking about?

          Learn to write answers with quotes, otherwise you yourself are confused.
          Quote: aars
          Starlink is by no means a competitor at all.

          Who do you have "no way"?
      2. +2
        28 October 2022 14: 21
        There is fiber optics and there is cellular - enough for the population.
        Most of the population, not all.
        1. -1
          29 October 2022 11: 35
          Quote: aars
          Most of the population, not all.

          You blurt out empty answers.
          To whom "not all", in what cases? ?
          1. 0
            29 October 2022 17: 20
            Please, an example - drillers.
            Cellular coverage is not everywhere, with optics it’s clear.
            PS: 25 thousand settlements in Russia live without the Internet and telephony

            And you are pushing some nonsense
            1. 0
              29 October 2022 17: 50
              Quote: aars
              Please, an example - drillers.
              Cellular coverage is not everywhere, with optics it’s clear.

              So you did not read my comment, but immediately scribbled your own.
              I noted that for remote places a satellite is needed (for drillers to install a cellular repeater, and outside the zone, let people pull satellite terminals with sombreros), but this is a very small use.
              But mass use, where connections are like dirt, I do not approve.

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              1. 0
                29 October 2022 18: 26
                and outside the zone, let the people pull satellite terminals with "sombrero")
                And?
                Have you used them at all?
                Do you know the rates?
                And we too want to watch youtube!

                The cellular repeater does not roll - there is nothing to relay.
                And sailors too want youtube!

                Fuck who, 25 thousand settlements in Russia without an Internet.
                And so another 30 years will be without Starlink.

                There is no need for excuses about the small number - there will definitely be only a million or two.
    2. -4
      28 October 2022 12: 55
      Quote: aars
      Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink?

      And who then set himself such a goal?
  12. +8
    28 October 2022 09: 29
    and later, thousands of small satellites,

    And after all, there are a lot of fools who will believe in it ... And it is not clear that this requires a developed industry. And not just developed, but COMPLETELY developed. And what can be done for the use of a billion people will not pull one and a half hundred million. Nobody thinks that India or China will order these satellites from us, do they?
  13. -1
    28 October 2022 10: 54
    A person who is in trouble somewhere in the area of ​​the Northern Sea Route can use a small-sized gadget to send a distress signal.
    The new iPhone already has it.
    A friend ordered...
    1. +2
      28 October 2022 13: 34
      Emergency SOS via satellite is available only in the US (including Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands) and Canada.
      Comrade now needs to go to America sad Or is he already there?
      1. +1
        28 October 2022 14: 11
        Comrade now needs to go to America
        To Bashkiria in general.
        And he brag about it, he ordered to show it to others, like everyone else! laughing
        And sos will be added
        Initially, the feature will be available in the US and Canada, but if you bought your iPhone 14 in another country, you will be able to use this feature. Exceptions are models for China, Hong Kong and Macau, since these iPhones do not have a satellite communication module.
        1. 0
          28 October 2022 14: 14
          I quoted from the official page of Apple. There didn't seem to be anything about expansion.
          he brag about it, ordered to show it to others
          Like a black man in England laughing . Here they are given for free when connected.
          1. +1
            28 October 2022 16: 41
            Like a black man in England
            So we have half the country of such blacks.

            Mind does not understand Russia
            Arshin common not to measure
            She has a special to become:
            Show-offs are more valuable than money!
  14. -6
    28 October 2022 11: 12
    will it be able to compete .... for non-residents, this is the price of services .. From the performance characteristics to which orbit, the price of services will be too high, low-orbit satellites are needed. An alternative is the creation of a Wi-Fi network in the area of ​​NWO repeaters using Airships, Balloons and Balloons and Kites.
  15. +1
    28 October 2022 11: 19
    In fact, they missed the satellite revolution

    It's like a PC situation
    single powerful computers in academic campuses against the mass of cheap personal PCs....
    1. +3
      28 October 2022 13: 43
      It's like a PC situation
      single powerful computers in academic campuses against the mass of cheap personal PCs....

      It is not entirely correct to oppose these phenomena. Just the emergence of a whole segment of the market in the form of personal computers has greatly advanced the electronics industry in general. Including in terms of "supercomputers", in which many of the solutions used are similar to those in consumer PCs.
      1. +2
        28 October 2022 14: 27
        Not entirely correct, yes.
        but you can.
        and it's the same here. Surely they will improve ... But first of all, the starlink ....
    2. 0
      28 October 2022 14: 05
      Alas, these are the consequences of the sanctions, if there had been access to modern chips, or at least equipment for their production, then no problems would have arisen. Previously, in the 2014s, ISS Reshetnev, for example, made telecommunication satellites on order for foreign customers, after XNUMX it stopped, in return, Gazprom tried to create satellite production using the European Thales Alenia Space in Russia, but according to the latest news, cooperation was frozen.
      1. +3
        28 October 2022 14: 29
        By the way parallel developers of space technology in Russia are bent, it’s not about sanctions, by and large, it’s not about sanctions
  16. -1
    28 October 2022 12: 39
    Maybe now the money will go to the industry?
  17. -6
    28 October 2022 17: 26
    This is great news. The designers are just great that in such difficult conditions they did at least something similar to a technology demonstrator. Just something too optimistic terms from the demonstrator to a full-fledged network. It took the United States at least 3-5 years from a demonstrator to a full-fledged system... do not go to much simpler, but much more useful projects for the country. Why not illuminate our polar circle with a mirror from orbit during the polar night? There are only 1000 m2 of foil type material and a satellite stabilization system is needed. All technologies are known. And the northern regions will be illuminated simply for nothing.
    1. Alf
      +1
      28 October 2022 18: 59
      Quote from Nest
      And the northern regions will be illuminated simply for nothing.

      That's exactly what "gift". And we do not need such a sport. Why then squeeze the loot from the population?
  18. +2
    28 October 2022 17: 51
    "Skif-D was launched to an altitude of over 8 thousand kilometers, where it is important to assess the impact, for example, of the radiation situation. Based on the test results at this altitude, it is planned to create a satellite constellation of 12 vehicles in two orbital planes."
    if you believe the media - then what kind of competition can we talk about ...
    this demonstrator will be tested for a year, if, of course, he doesn’t throw horses before, and then for years they will launch these 12 satellites ...
    Starlink hangs in low orbit - thereby achieving no signal delay, covers almost the entire ball, about 3000 satellites
    a constellation of 12 satellites will not even cover Russia properly - they launched it into medium orbit in order to increase coverage, due to speed ...
  19. 0
    28 October 2022 19: 49
    Let's return to the main issue of the material. Will the Russian Skif be able to compete with Starlink?
    Despite all the optimism of the article, if it is possible, then not earlier than in five or six years.
    Under the circumstances, it will not be full-fledged competition, alas ...
  20. +1
    28 October 2022 19: 51
    Both the article and the comments discuss the comparison of the Skif satellite system under construction with Starlink in relation to military operations in Ukraine. But! Let's not forget that our potential military adversaries represented by the United States and sympathizers use not only COMMERCIAL satellites. They have WGS (Wideband Global SATCOM system), DSCS, MILSTAR/AEHF. Probably something else too. What you have to face in Ukraine - you have to be honest - this is far from the modern level of NATO. And frankly, it scares me that we are not only up to military, but to civilian satellite equipment ...
  21. -1
    28 October 2022 23: 14
    We must somehow come up with a ban on the sale of minerals and energy raw materials abroad. Then maybe our elite will start thinking about how to make money on high technologies
    1. -1
      29 October 2022 14: 34
      And who will sell these high technologies, if they appear?
      1. 0
        29 October 2022 21: 24
        And that we are all concerned about selling our natural wealth to someone. An effective flow of goods in the friendly economic space must be established. It is necessary to sell something to enemies only in exchange for vital goods for us, but not for digital badges in computers and pieces of paper denoting dollars and euros.
        1. -1
          29 October 2022 23: 19
          And that we are all concerned about selling our natural wealth to someone
          The sale of wealth is not an end in itself. We sell what people want and can buy from us. Unfortunately, this is not electronics with a topology of units of nanometers, but gas and oil. And we sell in order to buy what we cannot produce ourselves, but we need it.
          Efficient circulation of goods in a friendly economic space must be established
          In order to have blood flow, you must first build new pipelines (the old ones, for some reason, everything was pulled to Europe by the political authorities) and tankers (for some reason, the political authorities had previously only rented in the west).
          It is necessary to sell something to enemies only in exchange for vital goods for us, but not for digital badges in computers and pieces of paper denoting dollars and euros.
          The truth of life is that having sold something for rupees or yuan, it will also be possible to buy it only in the same markets in rupees or yuan (and even then not from everyone - many sell to foreign countries only for dollars and euros - the authorities did not bother to build bilateral trade relations, so that there is a normal conversion of rubles into the national currencies of buyers and there are no barriers to purchase).
  22. -1
    29 October 2022 15: 43
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    And so... there are 9 messages ahead of me and they are all against Russia. Strange isn't it? Or maybe it's not strange at all, but usually?

    This has long been the standard for VO. Unfortunately.
  23. 0
    29 October 2022 20: 18
    Let me ask you what for - what, our rab against starlink does not channel? Jeepies have a very weak signal, any low-power hat can score it ... all the more, in war conditions, the reb should work a little weaker than a microwave .... where is it ???? Where?!!!! Moreover, I can even offer my services here - if the reb is ours, then it will only clog other people's messages, any of our traffic on the same or adjacent frequency, with the knowledge of the private password, will pass its reb without problems. If it doesn't work for some reason - look for and shoot traitors in the Russian army! Unless, of course, the supreme one himself is not a traitor, and the goals of the special operation are not denazification, but the depopulation of both countries ... to please the ghouls from the USA and the Jew-Massons of the Worldwide ....
  24. -1
    29 October 2022 23: 22
    God forbid that everything works out in the end. In the summer, somewhere I read a short essay about our microelectronics. I really don't want it to happen here either.
    There is a feeling that the domestic electronics industry is in a state of superposition, that is, it both already exists and does not exist at the same time. It seems that everything has already been developed and is ready for mass production, but it seems that it is not ready at all, but only plans are being written. We are wondering where are the domestic base stations, which, according to press releases, were supposed to enter the mass production stage at the end of the year. However, for some reason, in the latest news, we are told that it will take another three years to develop even a 4G station.

    Or, back in July of this year, they tried to trace the path of development of electronics.

    They recalled that in 2014, at the specialized semiconductor forum SEMICON Russia, they talked about a breakthrough and a three-step program. At the first stage - to create conditions, at the second (until 2020) - to launch new projects, and at the third - to actively increase the pace. In theory, we should have been in the third stage by now. But apparently something went wrong. And according to the project of August 2019, presented by Vasily Shpak, director of the radio-electronic industry department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, by 2030 it was planned to increase the share of the Russian component base to 80%. However, I remember the news very well, as in April of this year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia sent Mishustin a new project, according to which by 2030 it is necessary to produce chips using the 28 nm process technology. However, in July of this year, V. Putin (President of the Russian Federation) said that the project for the development of the microelectronics industry had to be restarted last year.

    And now another note comes out in Kommersant that "the Ministry of Industry and Trade has prepared an updated concept of state policy for the development of Russian microelectronics until 2030." It is reported that the project should be publicly presented in October at the Microelectronics-2022 forum. Unfortunately, the forum is planned to be held in Rosa Khutor, so it is unlikely that it will be possible to visit. By the way, the forum in general for some reason chooses non-banal venues. For example, last year it was held in Alushta. Although, it would seem, where is Alushta (in fact, next to Alupka), and where is microelectronics. It should be held in Zelenograd or Nizhny Novgorod.
  25. kig
    +1
    30 October 2022 06: 04
    Starlink Mask and it is not clear whose Oneweb offer global coverage - that is, around the world, and our Sphere, at least officially - for the territory of Russia. That is, there can be no competition in principle. You can ignore the fact that we only have a demonstrator so far, and "they" have a completely working system.
  26. DO
    0
    14 December 2022 19: 59
    It seems that for the needs of the SVO, first of all, jamming satellites of satellite services on the territory of Ukraine, used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are required.
    Secondly, for the Russian army, satellite network services are desirable, similar to those used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine today.
    However, it is not at all excluded that the military escalation may soon reach the mutual destruction of satellites. Therefore, today it is logical to think about the development of technical means of ground communication (field fiber optic, radio equipment), military intelligence (primarily using UAVs), ground-based radio positioning equipment.
  27. -2
    22 December 2022 01: 03
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