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The upgraded version of the Su-57 fighter made its first flight

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The upgraded version of the Su-57 fighter made its first flight

The upgraded version of the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57 made its first flight, tests were carried out at the airfield of the Flight Research Institute named after M. M. Gromov (LII) in Zhukovsky.


According to the press service of the UAC, a new set of on-board equipment with expanded functionality, intelligent crew support and the possibility of using a wide range of new weapons is being tested on the upgraded aircraft. In addition, this version of the aircraft has the ability to install a second-stage engine.

The UAC explained that the first flight of the modernized fighter took place on October 21 from the airfield of the LII. MM. Gromov, the aircraft was piloted by test pilot of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, Hero of the Russian Federation, Sergei Bogdan. The plane spent almost an hour to four minutes in the air, the flight passed without remarks.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense confirmed that the Su-57 fighter was used as part of a special operation in Ukraine, where it showed itself on the positive side. This was also stated by the new commander of the NMD, General of the Army Surovikin.

Having a wide range of weapons, in each sortie it solves multifaceted tasks of hitting air and ground targets.

- he said.

By the end of 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 22 fifth-generation SU-57 fighter jets. In total, until 2027, the Russian Aerospace Forces will include 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract concluded in 2019.
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  1. neworange88
    neworange88 25 October 2022 18: 10
    +10
    The upgraded version of the Su-57 fighter made its first flight


    What great news! good drinks
    Testing of the first modernized fifth-generation fighter will begin in the summer of 2022. Officially, the product is called "Su-57 of the second stage." But among the military and aircraft manufacturers, the car received the nickname "Super-Dry". In addition to a completely new engine, the aircraft will be equipped with a package of modern avionics and on-board systems. It is planned to complete development work at the end of 2024, which will allow moving on to the production of an improved modification of the fighter. The gradual introduction of improvements in the design of such complex weapons as modern combat aircraft has become a common practice in Russia and abroad, experts say.


    The state contract for R&D work (ROC) "Megapolis" to create the "second stage" Su-57 was signed by the Ministry of Defense and PJSC "Sukhoi Company" on October 29, 2018. According to the schedule of its execution (available to Izvestia), the flight of the prototype is scheduled for mid-2022, and the development work should be completed at the end of 2024.

    https://iz.ru/1028035/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/vyidet-super-sukhim-istrebitel-su-57-ozhidaet-modernizatciia
    1. Bulgarian_5
      Bulgarian_5 25 October 2022 18: 43
      +13
      Su 57 is the best aircraft from all sides at the moment in the world.

      The next step in improving air superiority should be the installation of an AFAR-type radar on aircraft and seed Su 34, Su 35 and Su 30

      Su 34 has a HUGE potential to accommodate a large and powerful radar. If you add the ability to carry the Dagger, it will be even better. This will make the Su 34 from a multifunctional bomber fighter into a multifunctional bomber fighter interceptor. Of course, the role of the advanced fighter will be performed by the Su 30 and 35, and the Su 34 with its new radar can be used as a command center and carrier of AWACS kill missiles and aircraft carrier kill missiles. This makes it possible for the Su 30 and 35 aircraft to carry light rockets and retain their already advanced super-maneuverability.

      This makes it possible to temporarily remove the MiG 31 from combat duty for deep modernization.

      But in general, aircraft of the Mig 31 type (large interceptors in the ability to carry heavy missiles of the VVD and anti-ship and missile missiles must be completely created.
      1. Alexander_Snegirev
        Alexander_Snegirev 25 October 2022 18: 57
        -9
        Quote: Bulgarian_5
        Su 57 is the best aircraft

        Until now, no one has ever seen the plane from combat pilots, and it has already been modernized.
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 25 October 2022 19: 05
          +6
          Quote: Alexander_Snegirev
          Quote: Bulgarian_5
          Su 57 is the best aircraft

          Until now, no one has ever seen the plane from combat pilots, and it has already been modernized.


          Who told you that? The Su-57 is participating in the NWO. And before that, the Su-57 was used in Syria.
          He gave a high rating to the Su-57 fighter, emphasizing the features of its use during the NWO. “In terms of the quality of combat use, I would especially like to single out the Su-57 fifth-generation multifunctional aircraft. Having a wide range of weapons, in each sortie it solves multifaceted tasks of destroying air and ground targets, ”said the Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces.

          https://aviation21.ru/sergej-surovikin-otmetil-mnogoplanovost-ispolzovaniya-su-57-v-specoperacii/
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 25 October 2022 19: 42
            +1
            Quote from: neworange88
            Who told you that? The Su-57 is participating in the NWO. And before that, the Su-57 was used in Syria.

            Yeah, only as part of the tests, and not as a regular combatant fighter. So in fact it doesn't exist. He is now in the status of a child prodigy a la German Mouse. It seems to be physically there, but it does not affect anything. When he is in combat units, then you can say something.
            1. poquello
              poquello 25 October 2022 19: 59
              -3
              Quote: JD1979
              It seems to be physically there, but it does not affect anything.

              Surovikin probably knows better than you, but you have the right
              1. JD1979
                JD1979 26 October 2022 00: 45
                +4
                Quote: poquello
                Surovikin probably knows better than you

                Finish the sentence. What does he see better? And that statement from the category - the sky is blue, the water is wet. or justify your opinion, although you obviously don’t have it, just translate the arrows
                1. poquello
                  poquello 26 October 2022 22: 10
                  0
                  Quote: JD1979
                  Quote: poquello
                  Surovikin probably knows better than you

                  Finish the sentence. What does he see better? And that statement from the category - the sky is blue, the water is wet. or justify your opinion, although you obviously don’t have it, just translate the arrows

                  for those who don't understand
                  "The Su-57 fighter was used as part of a special operation in Ukraine, where it showed itself on the positive side. This was also stated by the new commander of the NMD, General of the Army Surovikin.

                  Having a wide range of weapons, in each sortie it solves multifaceted tasks of hitting air and ground targets.
                  - he declared. "
                  1. JD1979
                    JD1979 27 October 2022 00: 05
                    0
                    Well, in fact, you have not confirmed your words in any way))) and my words have not been refuted. Yes, a single application within the framework of tests is also an application)) But it does not affect the overall picture in any way - the main work is on combat units. ALL.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 27 October 2022 19: 16
                      0
                      Quote: JD1979
                      it does not affect the overall picture in any way

                      pakfa performs its local tasks, leave the paintings to the artists
          2. ramzay21
            ramzay21 26 October 2022 00: 24
            +4
            Who told you that? The Su-57 is participating in the NWO. And before that, the Su-57 was used in Syria.

            There should already be at least two hundred Su-57s, and this is exactly what Putin was talking about in the early 2000s. It is the Su-57 that should now, together with modern AWACS A-100 aircraft, which also do not exist, destroy enemy air defense and aviation and strike at strategic targets, as well as cover our borders from the Barents Sea to the border with Georgia, our Arctic, Chukotka, Kamchatka, the Far East and the Kuriles.
            And to rejoice that one or two aircraft, for the development of which colossal folk funds were spent, made several sorties, which had little effect on the situation on the fronts, this is a crime.
        2. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 25 October 2022 19: 44
          +1
          And do not say, but in a year or two there will be a new modernization, and so on to the right.
          1. neworange88
            neworange88 25 October 2022 21: 05
            +7
            Quote: merkava-2bet
            And do not say, but in a year or two there will be a new modernization, and so on to the right.


            You know better from Merkava.
      2. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 25 October 2022 22: 19
        +6
        Quote: Bulgarian_5
        This makes it possible to temporarily remove the MiG 31 from combat duty for deep modernization.

        MiG-31 and SU-57 are two completely different machines.
        1. JD1979
          JD1979 26 October 2022 01: 25
          -4
          Quote: SKVichyakow
          MiG-31 and SU-57 are two completely different machines.

          And... What's the message? What prevents the 57th from taking over the functions of the 31st? Lower top speed? Which is now not a fact that is being achieved.
        2. Bulgarian_5
          Bulgarian_5 26 October 2022 04: 41
          +1
          You don’t read accurately what I wrote at all: Su 34 but not Su 57 can replace the MiG 31!
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 26 October 2022 07: 21
            -4
            a large batch on the way under the "Christmas tree" ... what am I talking about ...
          2. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 26 October 2022 09: 37
            +1
            Quote: Bulgarian_5
            Vii doesn’t read carefully at all what I wrote: Su 34 but not Su 57 can replace the MiG 31!

            I admit my mistake. to you +
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 October 2022 09: 47
        +2
        Su34, we need to quickly transfer to secondary functions ..... we have no analogues of Growlers. Make PP out of them. And its place should be taken by a fighter based on the Su35S with a set of hanging containers. And two seater. Which will be gradually modernized avionics and turbojet engines from the Su57.
  2. Buyan
    Buyan 25 October 2022 18: 11
    +25
    Soft takeoffs and landings. Still a nice plane hi
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 October 2022 07: 24
      -3
      Quote from Buyan
      Soft takeoffs and landings. Still a nice plane hi

      Who isn't "beautiful"? "warthog" "rook"? yes, everyone is good. aerodynamics ... you know.
  3. faterdom
    faterdom 25 October 2022 18: 15
    +17
    The author of the mysterious downings of Ukrainian fighters 200 km from the LBS.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 25 October 2022 18: 18
      +13
      Perhaps. But I still bet on MIG31
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 October 2022 18: 40
        +3
        And I bet on the S-300
        ======================================
    2. Former soldier
      Former soldier 25 October 2022 19: 19
      +10
      The author of the mysterious downings of Ukrainian fighters 200 km from the LBS.

      Very likely. The competition of the 5th generation vehicles in advance of enemy detection and a longer arm (rocket) for destruction. In the conditions of NWO, all this can be worked out from your own air. Yes, and 200 km is clearly not the limit. The Sumerian instant-29 does not even understand where it came from.
      1. dauria
        dauria 26 October 2022 00: 52
        +1
        The Sumerian instant-29 does not even understand where it came from.

        He doesn't have STR -15 ? Or maybe something newer ... But even a "birch" is enough to understand. Especially
        it detects the locators before the locator sees the aircraft.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 26 October 2022 07: 26
          0
          Quote: dauria
          The Sumerian instant-29 does not even understand where it came from.

          He doesn't have STR -15 ? Or maybe something newer ... But even a "birch" is enough to understand. Especially
          it detects the locators before the locator sees the aircraft.

          then why is there no "superiority"? did not suppress all air defense 404?
  4. hector
    hector 25 October 2022 18: 15
    -16
    By the end of 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 22 fifth-generation SU-57 fighter jets. In total, until 2027, the Russian Aerospace Forces will include 76 aircraft,

    What about so many? Enough fighting for a month, so will they only use expensive equipment in parades or wipe the dust in the hangars? They reported that 70% of the new equipment in the troops, as it affected the case, then, "oh, where is it?"
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 25 October 2022 18: 24
      +8
      Because it's expensive, so 76 is quite a lot. How many of their invisibles in the USA (raptor if I remember correctly) are about a hundred pieces? Who else besides us and the FSA has something like that? Just do not talk about the Chinese, everything is cloudy and covered in darkness.
      1. Maxim G
        Maxim G 25 October 2022 18: 32
        +10
        The United States and other countries where they were delivered also have F-35s.
        France has a "Rafale", it is also inconspicuous, but the approach is different than on American, Chinese, Russian aircraft.

        In addition, the Aerospace Forces do not have these 76 aircraft at the moment.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 25 October 2022 18: 38
          0
          So I knew that someone would remember the penguin to me. Of course, I am not a great specialist in technology, but from the same articles on VO I know that the penguin is never a heavy fighter and it is not correct to compare it with the Su 57. If we compare fu 35 with anything, it’s with our Shah and Checkmate, but they don’t exist yet, and if we compare the 57th, then only with the raptor, Rafal is also not from this cohort.
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 25 October 2022 18: 45
            +3
            It is necessary to compare according to the tasks that they will perform, and these are all multifunctional fighters.

            In terms of heavy/light, the F-35 weighs about the same as the F-15EX.
          2. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 26 October 2022 10: 05
            +1
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            So I knew that someone would remember the penguin to me. I'm certainly not a great techie.

            Some information to broaden my horizons.
            "Penguin", which was written about a lot, when it came to Israel (and there are already 33 of them) was renamed the F-35I Adir.
            Israel gained access to areas of the F-35's highly digital architecture, including hardware and software, flight control hardware, communications systems (it's Israeli).
            They also upgraded their F-35 fighter jets so they could reach Iran without mid-air refueling. A new one-ton bomb was integrated into the arsenal of aircraft, which does not jeopardize the radar signature.

            Saudi media have reported that Israeli F-35 stealth fighter jets have repeatedly intruded into Iranian airspace over the past two months. The report of the London-based Elaph company says that during the exercises, the aircraft managed to evade Russian and Iranian radars.24 Aug. 2022
        2. Sobol
          Sobol 25 October 2022 19: 59
          +3
          Quote: Maxim G
          In addition, the Aerospace Forces do not have these 76 aircraft at the moment.

          It is written in Russian in white "until 2027"
      2. VasyaRules
        VasyaRules 25 October 2022 18: 34
        -6
        That is, Iranian UAVs do not convince you? But there is suddenly a Chinese engine. Something like this is not particularly visible in our production. So I think everything is good with the Chinese in terms of technology
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 25 October 2022 18: 43
          -2
          What kind of nonsense? On the UAV, the engine was from a moped, horseradish was compared with a finger. But the Chinese do not yet have their own normal aircraft engine, as far as I know.
          1. midivan
            midivan 25 October 2022 19: 08
            +5
            [/quote]What kind of nonsense? On the UAV, the engine was from a moped, horseradish was compared with a finger. [quote]
            As an auto mechanic, I say that there are no 4-cylinder engines on mopeds and I'm afraid if you shove it into a moped, you get a sports bike fellow . The only resemblance to a moped is the sound, the sound of a two-stroke exhaust. And as for me, I like "Balalaika" more feel - Paris is crazy and Jamaica
            When the balalaika plays
            She drove the whole world crazy
            Oh, balala, balala, balalaika
            Oh balala, balala
            Balala, balala, balalaika
            For my Russian soul, play
            Three strings, three chords, three times
            Balala, balala, balalaika infection

            Come on, Ivan, hit the strings
            No place for sad thoughts
            Soul like vodka is light
            Oh, balala, balala, balalaika
            Oh balala, balala
            Balala, balala, balalaika
            For my Russian soul, play
            Three strings, three chords, three times
            Balala, balala, balalaika infection

            Not vodka destroys our souls
            A man in Russia likes to drink
            Anguish exhausted the heart
            Oh, balala, balala, balalaika
            Oh balala, balala
            Balala, balala, balalaika
            For my Russian soul, play
            Three strings, three chords, three times
            Balala, balala, balalaika infection. (C) V. Tsyganov.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 25 October 2022 19: 26
              +3
              I don’t know at all what kind of motor is there, I quote what I read on VO. Many write that he has a sound like a moped, so we write. I'm not an auto mechanic. request
              1. midivan
                midivan 26 October 2022 02: 52
                +5
                Duc, I have no complaints, purely explained love
          2. Turtle
            Turtle 25 October 2022 20: 00
            +3
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            compared horseradish with a finger
            I don't want to upset anyone, but condoms don't require precision machine tools, megawatts of electricity, and hundreds of man-hours to produce, but seven months after the start of the CBO, they are sold at 900-1500 "strengthened against the dollar and the euro" for twelve "small plaziers", and on the shelves they are displayed in sealed boxes so as not to be stolen. Why all this? Yes, to the fact that I agree with the incorrectness of comparing horseradish with a finger, but sometimes it happens that the horseradish withered and the fingers do not obey. Sorry, if anything, for rough comparisons.
          3. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 26 October 2022 07: 29
            -2
            everything I work with is Chinese .... from lawn mowers and chainsaws, to copters. and ... gas stove "hephaestus" - Belarus ... everything.
        2. Sergey3
          Sergey3 25 October 2022 18: 46
          +15
          For the especially gifted, I explain that in production we have what the MO ordered, and not a single bolt more! Manufacturers of the same lancets run around the MO to get an order placed. At the same time, the front line complains that there are no drones. Orders are not rhythmic, then it exists and they can’t cope with it, then it doesn’t exist at all for a long time. I repeat, the gaps between orders are large and production is empty!
          And as for cheap Chinese engines, the Ministry of Defense will never order anything like this for its industry, all their Wishlist is orders of magnitude more complicated and more expensive. So enough insinuations on the topic that our industry cannot do something, maybe just flying lawn mowers will never appear in the orders of their industry!
          1. solar
            solar 25 October 2022 20: 57
            +7
            There is an Iranian or Chinese copy of the German aircraft engine Limbach L550E, created for ultralight aircraft, but in most cases used on UAVs.
            Sufficiently serious boxer 4-cylinder two-stroke engine.
        3. stelltok
          stelltok 25 October 2022 18: 49
          +2
          But there is suddenly a Chinese engine.

          There is no Chinese. There is a copy of something.
          Something like this is not particularly visible in our production.

          How many UAVs does China have in quantitative terms? Where did they participate at least once other than video animations?
          So I think everything is good with the Chinese in terms of technology

          Recently there was an article about the fact that the Chinese could not make a submarine. Since the engine used to be bought from Germany, and now that's it. laughing
          Name the Chinese fighter, but not a copy of the Russian Federation, namely Chinese?
          The Chinese even make transport workers completely copying the Russian Federation.
          Chinese tanks too = a copy of the Russian Federation.
          And the Chinese copy many other things from the Russian Federation, without inventing them themselves. wassat
          1. Chief Officer Lom
            Chief Officer Lom 25 October 2022 19: 05
            +9
            Quote from stelltok

            There is no Chinese. There is a copy of something.

            If you are talking about Shahed, then recently you wrote here that this is an Iranian copy of a Chinese copy of a German engine))
            1. stelltok
              stelltok 25 October 2022 19: 06
              +1
              Well, yes. A copy of a copy of someone else's copy. But merit arrives to China wassat
              1. Chief Officer Lom
                Chief Officer Lom 25 October 2022 19: 16
                +8
                Well, I wouldn't be dismissive of copying. This also requires competence. I would be extremely happy if we could independently start production of a copy of a modern microprocessor, for example. Today a copy, tomorrow its own development based on it ...
          2. poquello
            poquello 25 October 2022 20: 06
            -3
            Quote from stelltok
            There is no Chinese. There is a copy of something.

            Iranian copy of Chinese, which is a copy of something
        4. Edik
          Edik 25 October 2022 19: 29
          0
          Quote from VasyaRules
          That is, Iranian UAVs do not convince you? But there is suddenly a Chinese engine

          With German ancestry.
        5. Charik
          Charik 26 October 2022 00: 06
          0
          of course everything is fine, even the Americans for the fu35 bought spare parts made by the Chinese
      3. yuriy55
        yuriy55 25 October 2022 19: 35
        +13
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Because it's expensive, so 76 is quite a lot.

        I want to talk about cost...
        Let's stop at the price of the Su-57 at $100 or 000 rubles.
        There is a war.
        I thought that pensioners are able ONCE !!! throw 2 rubles into the defense industry budget. These are: 000 x 2 = 000 rubles.
        70 citizens work in the country. Let's decide on the real possibilities of a one-time payment of 000 rubles. These are: 000 x 4 = 000 rubles.
        300 dollar millionaires of the country for 000 million rubles. This is another 1 rubles.
        89 remaining from 200 from the Forbes list for 1 rubles. This is another 000 rubles.
        In total, across the country, we can collect ≈ 750 rubles for victory at a time ...
        Now one more small nuance. Only the shareholders of Gazprom were prepared to pay 2022 rubles by 1 (or have already been paid)!!! From what the hell? To whom and for whom? To a feast during the plague?
        We get almost 2 rubles!!! fellow
        This is a little 333 Su-57 aircraft ...
        And who SHOULD MAINTAIN THEIR RUSSIAN ARMY?
        Another thing is that an outflow of 2022 dollars or 200 rubles is planned from the country in 000...
        So, what is there for Russia - "EXPENSIVE"?
        Perhaps the toothlessness of the government and the imperfection of the tax legislation cost us dearly, when the poor pay taxes, and the moneybags fatten and transfer capital to the enemies of Russia?
        1. Turtle
          Turtle 25 October 2022 20: 08
          +4
          It is necessary, of course, to try, but is it really only about money? Money, essence - cut paper. Production is limited by projected production volumes and time cycles. And so, I agree, and I'm not the only one, most likely.
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 25 October 2022 20: 38
            +5
            Quote: Turtle
            Production is limited by the projected production volumes

            In addition, there is an organization of work in several shifts.
            In addition, we need to move away from convenience stores and move towards vocational schools and factories within walking distance.
            In addition, the need for a particular weapon is determined by tactics. If it is written that underground shelters need to be “opened” with BetAB 500 or “Daggers”, or some other land mines, then 82 mm mortars will not replace them. And self-propelled guns need long-range ones, and MLRS ... And it’s time for engineers to refine thermobaric weapons both in terms of power and in terms of range ...
            We have "agriculture", and the sushniks roam freely along the front line ...
        2. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 25 October 2022 20: 18
          +7
          ... So, what is "EXPENSIVE" for Russia?
          Maybe the toothlessness of the government and the imperfection of the tax legislation cost us dearly, when the poor pay taxes, and the moneybags fatten and transfer capital to the enemies of Russia? [/ Quote]
          That's something you can't argue with. There is no money in Russia, but order and justice. At least elementary
        3. Floke
          Floke 25 October 2022 21: 07
          +1
          I think the problem here is largely not in cost, but in industrial capacities and personnel. In order to mass-produce now, preparation had to be carried out 2-3 years ago
      4. hector
        hector 25 October 2022 19: 53
        +2
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Because it's expensive, that's why 76 is quite a lot

        Military equipment must fight regardless of the price, otherwise it is a museum piece, and losses are inevitable, this is in the first part. In terms of quantity - 76, it may be by 2027, or maybe not, it can turn out like with ships in the Navy, in Russian reality often - no.
      5. Arbeiternegast
        Arbeiternegast 25 October 2022 20: 42
        +2
        The US has produced 220 raptors. There is also the f35, the old strike f117, and the v-2. This is one of the stealth aircraft. In two years, God forbid, we will have 76 dryers. My opinion is not enough, you need at least two hundred. Part in service, part in development, part in combat service and reserve.
        1. cmax
          cmax 25 October 2022 21: 48
          -1
          Quote: Arbeiternegast
          The US has produced 220 raptors. There is also the f35, the old strike f117, and the v-2. This is one of the stealth aircraft. In two years, God forbid, we will have 76 dryers. My opinion is not enough, you need at least two hundred. Part in service, part in development, part in combat service and reserve.

          Why so much. "Recently, the telegram channel showed how the SU-35 was bombed with cast iron, 250kg bombs at low level. Modern expensive aircraft and the use of bombs of the 2nd World War. You feel the scale of the use and thoughts of our generals. Where is the guarantee that the planes 7 billion rubles each, too, due to the lack of a sufficient number of guided weapons, will not be used in a similar way... ..... Make the fool pray and .....
    2. CombatSnail
      CombatSnail 25 October 2022 18: 29
      +4
      She is on the accounts of many respected people, and they are frozen abroad))
    3. neworange88
      neworange88 25 October 2022 18: 37
      -2
      Quote: ettore
      By the end of 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 22 fifth-generation SU-57 fighter jets. In total, until 2027, the Russian Aerospace Forces will include 76 aircraft,

      What about so many? Enough fighting for a month, so will they only use expensive equipment in parades or wipe the dust in the hangars? They reported that 70% of the new equipment in the troops, as it affected the case, then, "oh, where is it?"


      Because if you buy a large batch of Su-57s, then brought to mind with a second-stage engine and new avionics. And all this needs to be created and tested, and it will take time, so these are the numbers. If the car was ready, they would start buying .
    4. MBRSS
      MBRSS 25 October 2022 18: 47
      +10
      What about so many?

      Sarcasm? I suspect that this quantity will not be available by the deadline. So far, not a single major project has been "handed over" on time: neither Almaty, nor Kurgan, nor Ash, ... even the strategic Sarmat was 2 years late from what was promised. And this is before the start of the NWO.
    5. Lepsik
      Lepsik 25 October 2022 19: 59
      -1
      ---What's with so many?
      about as many combat-ready F-22s remained.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 October 2022 18: 16
    -1
    The pace of production is gaining good 'if now there are 4 sides, then in 2 years it will be necessary to make another 18 Su57. Ideally, we need to have a couple of hundred x available.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 25 October 2022 20: 24
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      The pace of production is gaining good 'if now there are 4 sides, then in 2 years it will be necessary to make another 18 Su57. Ideally, we need to have a couple of hundred x available.

      It's right. But as many rightly said here, you cannot quickly build the required amount on the available areas. We need new areas, and under them equipment and personnel.
      And if in shipbuilding it is somehow moving and something new is being built and Kerch received it, then there is nothing new in tank building and aircraft building. Although maybe there is something I don't know.
      1. storm
        storm 25 October 2022 23: 36
        -2
        Ulan.1812 That's right. But as many rightly said here, you cannot quickly build the required amount on the available areas. We need new areas, and under them equipment and personnel.
        [

        the existing production capacities of the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur make it possible to build 50 aircraft per year, i.e. according to the combat regiment, the plant should issue Su-57 and Su-35 annually, the only thing lacking is the will of the country's leadership to force the Su-57 to be "brought to mind" and put it into mass production.
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 25 October 2022 23: 53
          -1
          Quote: assault
          Ulan.1812 That's right. But as many rightly said here, you cannot quickly build the required amount on the available areas. We need new areas, and under them equipment and personnel.
          [

          the existing production capacities of the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur make it possible to build 50 aircraft per year, i.e. according to the combat regiment, the plant should issue Su-57 and Su-35 annually, the only thing lacking is the will of the country's leadership to force the Su-57 to be "brought to mind" and put it into mass production.

          But is it a lot? In the event, God forbid, a large-scale war, what losses will be in aircraft and tanks, infantry fighting vehicles?
          It will not be possible to sharply increase production and there will be nothing to make up for the losses.
          In addition, attack aircraft are also needed, but we do not have a Tbilisi plant.
          And someone is making the Su-30 and Su-35.
          1. storm
            storm 26 October 2022 13: 20
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            And someone is making the Su-30 and Su-35.

            The Irkutsk plant is able to produce up to 3 squadrons (36 units) of the Su-30SM.
            The Novosibirsk plant at maximum load is capable of producing the same number of Su-34 bombers.
            Total:
            -36 Su-30SM/SM2
            -36 Su-34/34M
            -24 Su-35
            -24 Su-57
            Total: 120 new Su aircraft per year allow the existing capacities of three aircraft factories, but the Ministry of Defense does not even order half of this amount, the volume of purchases of new aircraft has fallen to the "piece" level of 2011.
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 25 October 2022 18: 16
    +1
    The aircraft has a great future, I hope we will see what it is capable of in the NWO ... although they say that it has already shown itself there in all its glory.
    1. cash
      cash 25 October 2022 18: 23
      +5
      it seems like it was he who shot down 2 litaks of Khokhlyatsky not so long ago, when they flew out for geraniums
  7. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 25 October 2022 18: 20
    +2
    It is necessary to quickly produce a large series of Su-57s without waiting for the engine of the second stage, it can be installed later at the airfields by those airfield personnel. Since it is possible to put the engine of the second stage on the modernized Su-57, then this option is quite possible.
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 October 2022 18: 21
    -4
    Taking into account the VSO, it is necessary to increase the order to make up for the losses.
    1. Alex_1973
      Alex_1973 25 October 2022 19: 13
      +1
      And what, have we already lost someone from the 57s? recourse Where when? request
  9. Bingo
    Bingo 25 October 2022 18: 23
    +3
    How is it with the engine? If I'm not mistaken, the main problem is in it, and not in the electronics?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 October 2022 18: 51
      +1
      There was a bingo-problem in electronics too, but the problem is only in our bureaucracy! Not everyone will take responsibility for forcing the test program for the new edition! Unfortunately, according to the approved schedule, tests will go on.
    2. Genry
      Genry 25 October 2022 20: 28
      +1
      Quote from Bingo
      How is it with the engine? If I'm not mistaken, the main problem is in it, and not in the electronics?

      Just with electronics.
      The plane was not lucky to get to the change of eras: it was laid on the traditional CAR (digital antenna array), and now the ROFAR generation.
      So the modification, it seems, was started - why produce junk.
      1. cash
        cash 26 October 2022 09: 44
        0
        Rofar put on the 57th? is she ready? I remember at the university a teacher told me that amers would most likely have photon radars faster, because they have corny more money for research, but that was a long time ago
        and what about the engine, is product 30 already completely ready? Looks like the tests are on
  10. MBRSS
    MBRSS 25 October 2022 18: 33
    +1
    Which of the aviation experts will tell you why the axes of the Su-57 engines are not parallel to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft, but are at some angle to it? That is, they are arranged as if in a "fan". Or is it just an optical illusion?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 October 2022 18: 54
      0
      MBRShB-it is not difficult to understand, but it is undesirable to write about it hi
      1. MBRSS
        MBRSS 25 October 2022 19: 12
        +1
        Thrifty, then I suspect that this is somehow related to stealth. However, the question still stands. Still, the total thrust in this case is slightly less, and there is no such feature on the F-22.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 25 October 2022 20: 23
          0
          MBRShB-your way of thinking is correct! It is possible to dissipate heat from engines so that the thermal footprint is smaller, in this way ... hi
      2. cash
        cash 26 October 2022 09: 44
        +1
        he who gives the correct answer will receive 20 years
    2. Genry
      Genry 26 October 2022 13: 51
      0
      Quote: MBRBS
      why the axes of the engines of the Su-57 are not parallel to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft, but are at some angle to it?

      This is so that you can safely fly on one engine. Turning force is reduced.
      Engines are also placed at an angle on passenger planes, it's just not noticeable there.
  11. RaccoonSnake
    RaccoonSnake 25 October 2022 18: 35
    -5
    Will he also drop FABs at ultra-low altitudes, like the Su-35s?
  12. KukuRuzvelt
    KukuRuzvelt 25 October 2022 18: 37
    +1
    Cool of course. But still, I would like to see something that has already entered the series modernized. Let's say 100 aircraft were made, looked at, tested, and like, "Yeah, that's right, this will be better. We need to modernize."
  13. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 25 October 2022 18: 39
    +3
    Although he received his baptism of fire in Syria, his most famous action was the shooting down of two Su-24 and Su-27 fighters in the Ukrainian rear.
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 25 October 2022 18: 46
      +4
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      was the downing of two Su-24 and Su-27 fighters in the Ukrainian rear.

      How long has the Su-24 turned from a bomber into a fighter?
      1. Alexander_Snegirev
        Alexander_Snegirev 25 October 2022 18: 59
        +4
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        Su-24 turned from a bomber into a fighter?

        When the destroyer Donald Cook sailed into the Black Sea, and then the Su-24 flew to him, and kaaaaak turned on the Khibiny and the crew that did not have time to jump into the open sea from the ship swam away to file a report for dismissal in the United States. The ship miraculously did not sink (because the good warlet "Khibiny" turned on at 0.05% of the power, otherwise that would be all) and sailed away in horror. Housewives of both sexes had multiple orgasms in front of TVs, specialists and those who even a little know how to use Google bled from their ears and burst their eyes.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 October 2022 18: 39
    +6
    It is strange, of course, that they did not have time to release at least some first batch - but they are already testing the "modernized" one.

    Electronics, the engine of the second stage can be seen close ... but still, it seems that all the promised dates, it seems, are past ...
  15. faiver
    faiver 25 October 2022 18: 41
    +1
    but silent about the engines ... when will the engines be? but not two or one and a half ....
  16. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 25 October 2022 19: 05
    +5
    this version of the aircraft has the ability to install the engine of the second stage.
    So there is no new engine. Badly.
  17. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 25 October 2022 19: 46
    +7
    Mdaaa...! Reading such messages, you are becoming more and more convinced that: "Bullshit war, the main thing is maneuvers!" Why mass production of the Su-57, when the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is fascinated by the wonderful process of constant (No! Eternal!) Modernization of the 5th generation eroplane! fellow
  18. Elephant
    Elephant 25 October 2022 19: 52
    +2
    And at first I thought that the engine of the second stage was installed
  19. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 25 October 2022 20: 24
    +3
    It seems that by the time the designers at the end have bungled and tested new equipment for this aircraft, the rest of it is already outdated and new requirements for the improvement of this or that will arise. And again they harp, test, and so on ad infinitum. That freaking "second stage" engine is like a distant star, everyone knows about it, but it's impossible to reach. And when he will be in the series - a mystery shrouded in darkness. The 2nd decade creates an airplane and still nothing. I am glad that there is a physical order for 76 aircraft. But how will it be implemented, what engines will the SU-57 have in it, and will this aircraft be much better than the SU-35S?
  20. Boniface
    Boniface 25 October 2022 20: 55
    0
    as far as I remember on this samoet - its main problem was - engines!
    They developed it for one type of engine (more modern and sophisticated), and prototypes and first models fly on old engines. So the question is: did the engines deliver the calculated ones or did they leave the old 4th generation turbines?
  21. ratfly
    ratfly 25 October 2022 21: 45
    +4
    "This version of the aircraft has the ability to install a second stage engine." Oh my God! Give me strength to live!
  22. silviu
    silviu 25 October 2022 22: 26
    -1
    Quote from: neworange88
    The upgraded version of the Su-57 fighter made its first flight. In addition, this version of the aircraft has the ability to install a second-stage engine.

    With the engine of the second stage, there are again apparently delays until it is clear at what stage of completion to be and when the tests of the engine of the second stage will begin?
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 October 2022 23: 04
    0
    Quote: Alex_1973
    And what, have we already lost someone from the 57s? recourse Where when? request

    And here is the loss of 57. The head is only for minuses? Replenishment of losses 30x and 35x.
  24. storm
    storm 25 October 2022 23: 26
    +1
    A new set of on-board equipment with extended functionality, intelligent crew support and the possibility of using a wide range of new weapons is being tested on the modernized aircraft.


    I wonder what crew are we talking about?
    or is the double version of the Su-57 that the Indians wanted to get being tested?
  25. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 25 October 2022 23: 58
    -2
    In addition, this version of the aircraft has the ability to install a second-stage engine.


    )))

    verbose empty-headed bollocks))), be silent and don’t remember, work with the Soviet backlog - don’t dream about more ... Has the opportunity ...

    Any piece of iron has the ability to become a valuable part if ...)))
  26. Charik
    Charik 25 October 2022 23: 59
    0
    so it means that Amer's storytellers have already shot down the first 3 series in Hollywood, they must urgently get together and turn to a 50-year-old topganer, so that next year they will prepare to shoot down the modernized Su57e, neigh-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJLaaekBhj0
    1. real diamond
      real diamond 26 October 2022 09: 57
      0
      I must say that they nevertheless showed his super maneuverability. GG's eyes popped out of his head. True, on the old trough, he managed to re-maneuver the drying, squatting like a famous cow in a bomb bay :))))))
  27. grindz
    grindz 26 October 2022 08: 11
    +1
    And who knows when the engines of the second stage will be ready, otherwise they have been feeding promises for 10 years that that's it. And the plane itself is super of course! I just want it to really become the fifth generation, and not like it is now.
  28. Sailor
    Sailor 26 October 2022 08: 19
    -1
    It is necessary to assemble 24 aircraft by the 76th, and 27 pieces by the 200th. then it will be possible to say that we have aircraft to withstand the F-22 and 35.
    1. cash
      cash 26 October 2022 09: 47
      -2
      to confront the raptor, the su-35, 57 is enough - a reserve for the future, but I would like to see it in the troops as soon as possible, of course
  29. T800-101
    T800-101 26 October 2022 09: 05
    0
    Have three production models been released and already upgraded? Three more and that's it, the equipment of the videoconferencing system is completed?
    Oh yes, by 2027 ... they will release 76 pieces ... in short, later. Everything will be later. And a new engine too. Then. In the meantime, modernization, but with the old engine.
    And we have had a base on the Moon since 2015, yeah.
  30. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 October 2022 09: 52
    +1
    By the end of 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 22 fifth-generation SU-57 fighters.

    How did this "death star" change the course of the NWO? What kind of targets did they hit that cannot be hit by other much cheaper means?
    To be honest, I expected that they would turn several hundred MiG-21, Su-17, Mi-8, Mi-24 into UAVs. They are quite suitable for the flying MLRS role that the Su-25 and modern turntables play today.
  31. AdAstra
    AdAstra 26 October 2022 10: 25
    +1
    You can throw manure and sticks at me, but if my memory serves me and I didn’t miss anything, then the troops have not yet seen not a modernized version, but already tests of a modernized one. Maybe for a start, give the pilots a non-modernized version, that they knew what it was, and then think of a modernized one. And then, as they correctly wrote above, so before the carrot spell, you can build without building.
  32. George Miloslavsky
    George Miloslavsky 26 October 2022 11: 40
    0
    76? A zero would be attributed from the back, and it was OK.
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 October 2022 14: 34
    0
    Well, this is good news, and the howls of the dissatisfied only testify to their limited outlook and incompetence in the production of the latest technology ..
  34. amr
    amr 26 October 2022 14: 35
    0
    Quote: ramzay21
    There should already be at least two hundred Su-57s, and this is exactly what Putin was talking about in the early 2000s.

    this is again from the category - the handsome king is just boyars muddying the water ??? so the tsar appoints these boyars, praises them or gives them a cap! then it turns out that Putin promised and did not keep his promise? Or what did you mean by this message?
  35. guest
    guest 26 October 2022 15: 20
    0
    The upgraded version of the Su-57 fighter made its first flight

    This is certainly good, but I would like to finally see this miracle of technology in battle.