Russian scientists have proposed innovative design of solar cells

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Russian scientists have proposed innovative design of solar cellsInnovators of the university enterprise SibInvent-Cosmos in Krasnoyarsk have developed an original design of solar batteries for space and ground use, which are capable of higher efficiency than all other Russian analogues. Skolkovo promises to help start the production of these cheap solar cells.

Technical director of the company, Boris Shagarov, told about the following technology: “A super-thin, 5-20 micrometers thick microelectric converter (FEP) is produced on the basis of monocrystalline silicon. It is assembled into an original double-sided isogride design,
which provides effective photon absorption across the entire spectrum of solar radiation with a possible efficiency of up to 28% at a concentration in the 300 suns. This is a space option - with ground-based devices, the efficiency will be 25%. ”

The idea has already been tested by specialists, and even a photo response was obtained on a prototype. “For further development, you need expensive equipment, which is not yet available in Russia,” local newslab.ru quoted Shagarov as saying. A chance for its acquisition can give entry into the Skolkovo Foundation.

The competitors of these Krasnoyarsk designers are the companies Kvant and Hevel (both are Russia). “Their amorphous batteries are now trying to replace ordinary planar solar cells, on the assumption that they are lighter and cheaper. But if we use our design, compared with the amorphous, the flight weight will be three times less, and the efficiency will be two to three times more: for Kvant, the efficiency is 9%, for Hevel - 11%, ”says Shagarov .

At present, the engineers of this Krasnoyarsk company are filling out an application and have already received preliminary approval of their project from the experts of the Space Technologies and Telecommunications Cluster of the Foundation at the conference “Innovations in Space Industry” held in Krasnoyarsk.
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  1. +12
    26 October 2012 11: 34
    Solar energy is a very promising area both in space and in the civilian sphere, and scientists must capture our market and supplant adversaries.
    1. +12
      26 October 2012 11: 47
      The fact that competition is taking place among Russian companies is also encouraging!
      1. +12
        26 October 2012 11: 53
        tronin.maxim,

        The main thing is that it does not flow west again.
        1. +4
          26 October 2012 13: 38
          Quote: Ross
          The main thing is not to flow west again

          and the clans didn’t connect (who has x .... thicker). How all these figures want to grab a government order.
          1. 0
            27 October 2012 04: 34
            A state order for new technologies is actually wonderful!
        2. Gemar
          +2
          26 October 2012 20: 07
          Quote: Ross
          The main thing is that it does not flow west again.

          I do not quite agree. The main thing is that the east does not flow away. The Chinese have already sent a scout.
          In the West, I’ve been straining with money now. Open a new production for them is now akin to a feat. But in China, the money is rampant. And they are no less than Geyropa want to get rid of volatility. I regularly hear from Chinese directors (I have been working with the Chinese for 8 years) that they say - brazen Russians are pumping resources from our original Chinese territory, and then they are selling to us. Moreover, knowing that I speak Chinese, they are not at all embarrassed to express their claims to each other on our territory! Pay attention, the educated Chinese elite says so! What can we say about ordinary Chinese - they sleep and see the territory to their Urals!
          So, God forbid, this technology will go to China (as I understand it, the technology is not the most effective, but rather simple, and, therefore, quite cheap). They will immediately establish production - there’s no time for investment!
      2. +1
        26 October 2012 20: 30
        Here are just Russian companies, instead of competing in the technological field, competing in the bureaucratic field, who will give a greater kickback to any official.
        It's time to change approaches, dear. For the good of the Fatherland.
    2. +6
      26 October 2012 11: 49
      I agree, we really need solar energy and it has great prospects both for the future and for the present, for example, if you introduce all this everywhere, then in the summer you can achieve huge savings, solar energy itself is very cheap, it can be used for all buildings under construction to put such elements and all this to unite in a network and ecology will be better and saving. Solar energy could occupy a huge part of the market for a long time, but oil industry and coal mining companies would not allow this unfortunately, if it weren’t for them, then I’m sure at 100% we would already drive electric cars, it’s just that these technologies are artificially slowed down by them, it’s time already remember the ecology, drive electric on our own and push oil faster abroad.
      1. 0
        26 October 2012 11: 57
        Joker,
        That's right, the oil workers themselves are buying up all the advanced developments and the scientists themselves. Morgan did the same with Tesla. Now, in many countries, small inventors have demonstrated technologies for obtaining energy from vacuum, and this is inexhaustible energy.
        1. Windbreak
          +3
          26 October 2012 12: 50
          Quote: Ross
          demonstrated technologies for generating energy from a vacuum
          with liquid or solid vacuum?
          1. Marine One
            0
            26 October 2012 14: 38
            From gaseous, for example. Academicians of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences approve.
          2. 0
            26 October 2012 14: 57
            Windbreak,

            Zero point energy, like Tesla.
    3. -1
      26 October 2012 12: 15
      oil is ending .. scientists are moving correctly, it's time it's time ...
      1. 0
        26 October 2012 15: 43
        OIL WILL NEVER END. You do not believe ... then remember my statement and do not rush to smile.
        Oil, like diamonds, is blown crap by a bunch of BATS.
        1. 0
          26 October 2012 15: 47
          There is a lot of oil, we just need new technologies for its development, BUT, electricity is better than this bullshit, all the more think Europeans will be sitting on our oil for a long time? They will make high-capacity batteries, put them in a car, make a lot of solar panels, hydroelectric power stations, you can have nuclear power plants and send us to hell. Ecology, which is the most important thing, you need to develop batteries, make electric cars and charging stations for them, build more power plants, then when the economy rises and bang, we will switch to electric cars and we will push oil purely abroad. That's better.
          1. +5
            26 October 2012 15: 49
            By the way saw a new crossover from AvtoVAZ? It will be mass-produced from 2015 of the year.
            1. 0
              26 October 2012 16: 18
              and cost mulion
    4. 0
      26 October 2012 17: 37
      Solar energy-in the civilian sphere ... garbage like a fool with a written bag. And for space, that's it, but they will fly on nuclear energy http://warfiles.ru/show-14547-buksir-v-nevesomost.html
    5. 0
      26 October 2012 21: 14
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      Solar energy is a very promising area both in space and in the civilian sphere, and scientists must capture our market and supplant adversaries.

      For a huge breakthrough in this area, there must be the will of the state! Not only financially supported, but also popularized environmental types of energy among the population and business!
      In Germany, citizens sell surplus clean electricity to the state at prices that are two times more expensive than they can buy on the grid.
      I saw in Finland a hydroelectric power station for 20 kilowatts. In Russia, to put such a hydroelectric power station ?? it will be necessary to get some 200 million permissions alone !!!
  2. +1
    26 October 2012 11: 35
    It must be assumed that this is not all the nest egg of Russian creativity.
  3. alatau_09
    +1
    26 October 2012 11: 37
    Well done guys, this is something new and exciting! Good luck with your innovations! I am happy for those with whom we are friends!
    1. +2
      26 October 2012 11: 46
      Quote: alatau_09

      This is great, this is new and business! success in innovation!

      As a rule, we have no problems with developments, problems arise at the level of implementation in production.
      1. alatau_09
        +1
        26 October 2012 12: 26
        Alexander Romanov,
        this is Soviet heredity, unfortunately ..., and the dashing 90s with privatization helped .... not for nothing has the program for the re-equipment of production capacities and the machine-tool complex of the Russian military-industrial complex been adopted ...
        God willing everything will be fine ... there would be a will!
      2. Kaa
        +1
        26 October 2012 14: 55
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        problems arise at the level of implementation in production.

        When I hear about Skolkovo, don't get it wrong, I recall Manilov with his thoughts about a giant bridge ... and the dispute between two men over whether the wheel of the chaise will get far ... in the same work ...
      3. 0
        26 October 2012 15: 33
        "For further development we need expensive equipment, which is currently unavailable in Russia," local publication newslab.ru quotes Shagarov as saying. That's all for now. About "Clipper", as they said? And where is it now... (((
  4. +2
    26 October 2012 12: 21
    at concentration in 300 of suns

    What the hell is that? New SI unit?

    25% more efficient is certainly good, but it’s not clear how much is left for leaders like Sharp or Bosch? What is their specific power?
    1. 0
      26 October 2012 14: 08
      Found this phrase:
      HCPV CPV system with a concentration ratio (surface area of ​​a Fresnel lens divided by the area of ​​one solar battery) more than 300 suns.
      HCPV is the acronym for High Concentrated Photovoltaic.
      Suntrix -China
    2. Kaa
      +1
      26 October 2012 15: 01
      Quote: professor
      25% more effective is certainly good

      ...but it would be better if it were five hundred percent...for profitability: "The current cost of solar electricity is $4,5 per 1 W of power and, as a result, the price of 1 kW-h of electricity is 6 times more expensive than energy obtained by traditional fuel combustion." http://msd.com.ua/osnovy-energosberezheniya/gelioenergetika/
  5. +3
    26 October 2012 12: 22
    Skolkovo promises to help start production of these cheap solar panels

    It’s even interesting what the golf club that is now in Skolkovo now can help in production ... If you plan to cut dough, then of course it’s out of competition. It would be better if the Krasnoyarsk residents set up production.
  6. 0
    26 October 2012 12: 25
    Promising development.
    I read that the photoelectric effect gives only the red part of the spectrum of solar radiation. I could be wrong if anyone can fix it.
    But why, then, from above on this battery does not develop a film that absorbs violet and after absorption emits the red part of the spectrum? Such a film does not consume energy - it consumes it from violet radiation. It does not increase efficiency?
    1. +9
      26 October 2012 12: 38
      You are mistaken. For the photoelectric effect, my avatar received the Nobel Prize. So the photon is monopenisual with what long wavelength (color) it hits the photocell, it will be converted into electricity. However, the longer the wavelength (red has more than purple), the more it carries energy. So there is no need for films, except perhaps from dust.
      In this area, Germans, Americans and Japanese rule. Solar cells are made from one tricky element and Russia has a unique technology for its cheap production (by chipping it from a spraying drum), but it itself has not adjusted this production, and does not want to sell the license to others. The problem is that the patent has a statute of limitations ...
      1. +1
        26 October 2012 12: 58
        Quote: professor
        monopenisually

        A brilliant synonym. good laughing
        1. 0
          26 October 2012 13: 50
          There is a mistake here. The correct answer is MONOPENISSEXUAL
          1. +1
            26 October 2012 16: 16
            Quote: askort154
            This is a mistake. Right - MONOPENISSUAL

            I do not know. A synonym for monopenisualism is one thing. And what is the synonym for monopenissex?
      2. mamba
        +1
        26 October 2012 15: 14
        Quote: professor
        the photon is monopenisual with what wavelength it is (in color) on the photocell; it will be converted into electricity.

        The photon may not care, but the photocell does not. For solar cells that make up a solar cell, there is such a parameter as the main absorption band. Beyond its low-frequency border, the so-called "red border of the photoelectric effect", the photon will not be converted into electricity; no internal photoelectric effect is possible in a semiconductor.
        For photodetectors, there is a spectral dependence of sensitivity. And from it, as a rule, only a certain part is used - the ascending, more or less linear section.
        Quote: professor
        However, the longer the wavelength (red has more than purple), the more it carries energy.

        On the contrary, the shorter the wavelength of a quantum of light, the greater its energy.
      3. wax
        +1
        26 October 2012 15: 41
        The photon energy is proportional to the frequency, i.e. inversely proportional to the wavelength.
      4. 0
        26 October 2012 15: 47
        PROFF - welcome. I can give access to one "wizard" ... if interested, then throw the answer in a personal.
      5. Green
        +2
        26 October 2012 16: 29
        Prof. Good afternoon. Correct the mistake. The shorter the wavelength, the more energy each photon carries. Violet radiation carries more energy. Ultraviolet, even more, x-rays and then the highest-energy gamma radiation. Article lantern. The world is full of SERIAL samples with an efficiency of capture of solar energy of more than 35%, by the way Israel should also be mentioned in the leaders. And there are many interesting, but technologically unsuitable, so far for mass production of thin-film photo elements with an efficiency of more than 55%. Some crap is described in the article.
        1. 0
          26 October 2012 19: 58
          Prof. Good day. Correct the mistake. The shorter the wavelength, the more energy each photon carries.

          Yes, I was wrong. I mixed it up, because in order to create the same illumination with a red and violet lamp, for example (I worked with LEDs and lasers), more energy must be supplied to violet. That's why I mixed it up. feel

          By the way, Israel should also be mentioned in the leaders.

          Israel is certainly a leader in solar technology, but only in solar thermal technology (mirrors heat the liquid, and it rotates the turbine), in photovoltaic Israel is no different. It is interesting that it implements its solar thermal technology in the USA, Australia and other countries, and it installs photovoltaic Chinese, American, Japanese. In general, the leader in this field (as users) is Germany.
          1. mamba
            0
            27 October 2012 09: 28
            Quote: professor
            To create the same illumination with a red and violet lamp, for example (I worked with LEDs and lasers), more energy must be supplied to the violet.

            Well, that’s completely different. You mean the different sensitivity of the human eye to different wavelengths of the visible spectrum. wink Therefore, different pump currents.
    2. mamba
      +1
      26 October 2012 15: 29
      Quote: aksakal
      the photoelectric effect gives only the red part of the spectrum of solar radiation.

      No. Modern semiconductor materials and structures based on them allow you to convert the entire solar spectrum into electricity.
      Quote: aksakal
      But why, then, from above on this battery does not develop a film that absorbs violet and after absorption emits the red part of the spectrum? Such a film does not consume energy - it consumes it from violet radiation. It does not increase efficiency?

      Will not raise for the reason stated above. This is simply not necessary.
      1. +1
        26 October 2012 16: 10
        Quote: mamba
        No. Modern semiconductor materials and structures based on them allow you to convert the entire solar spectrum into electricity.

        - I’m not a specialist, so I agree, I’ll only note that the low efficiency of solar energy conversion is depressing and the speed of increasing this efficiency is even more stupid - from the first solar panels about -3-4% to the current almost breakthrough 28% - this still needs to be verified.
        Quote: mamba
        Will not raise for the reason stated above. This is simply not necessary.
        - suggested - rejected - no problem. I just looked from the wrong angle to convert the spectrum to the most effective for the photoelectric effect, that’s all.
  7. sq
    0
    26 October 2012 12: 30
    The main problem is not getting energy, the problem is the possibility of its accumulation and transmission over long distances.
    1. +1
      26 October 2012 12: 42
      Just the main problem in obtaining energy, the efficiency is still very low. It is not necessary to transport it anywhere, solar panels are on the roof of the consumer. With the accumulation of so far, it’s very expensive now lithium ...
      1. sapulid
        +1
        26 October 2012 14: 26
        Delivered a plus, for INTELLIGENT! :)))
      2. mamba
        +1
        26 October 2012 15: 40
        Indeed, the efficiency is not yet higher than 39% for serial photocells, and the cost of one such kilowatt hour for the European consumer is now 0,14 euros.
        In the future, the efficiency will be significantly increased by creating photocells with two-sided sensitivity (up to +80% of the existing efficiency of one side), using luminescent re-emitting structures, preliminary decomposition of the solar spectrum into two or more spectral regions using multilayer film beam splitters (dichroic mirrors) with subsequent transformation of each section of the spectrum by a separate photocell, etc.
      3. 0
        26 October 2012 15: 54
        ohhh, mistakenly set a minus (moderators ... maybe there is an opportunity to provide a one-time rollback according to the set erroneous assessment ???). Lithium in the batteries ..., zinc the roofs and window sills (the Incas used to cover the same roof with gold because they had bulk of them (gold) ..., and here the conquistadors with the sign of the cross - no luck (no knowledge , does not exempt from liability)!
      4. 0
        26 October 2012 17: 59
        Quote: professor
        With the accumulation of so far, it’s very expensive now lithium ...

        - The increase in the price of lithium is precisely due to the increase in demand for it, just for the purpose of energy storage. So, developments are being carried out in this area. Graphene promises something there, there are prototypes of the so-called called hot batteries - where electrolytes are kept in a high temperature state. The capacity is large, the drawback is just the need to maintain high temperature.
        There are silver-zinc batteries, the capacity is large, in addition, these batteries are superior to lithium in terms of power output. Those. sometimes it is required from the battery to give out a lot of power in a short time, but electrics have limitations in this part. An unsurpassed energy storage device is a banal flywheel. How much is needed and will give out. Maybe you can give up all the accumulated kinetic energy in a second, there is even a problem to "master" this energy. But silver-zinc have two big drawbacks - this is also silver is now expensive, and the second - in the process of many charge-discharge cycles, zinc build-ups grow directly into the body of electrical insulation - the so-called. the growth of zinc dendrites, in the end the insulator is pierced, the battery kirdyk. The problem has not yet been resolved, but silver-zinc, if I am not mistaken, are still used in military aviation.
        And the problem of low efficiency of solar panels has not been solved either. The 39% that Mamba writes about, I will argue here, is still an unattainable value. If it were achieved, then in our southern regions of Kazakhstan we could buy Japanese hybrid cars, modify them with the installation of a solar panel, and in the summer we could forget about visiting the gas station.
        1. 0
          26 October 2012 20: 17
          1. A couple more methods of energy storage are practiced. In the USSR, water was pumped from one reservoir to another, now instead of a flywheel, air is pumped into cylinders, then the same air rotates the turbine.
          2.
          39%, which Mamba writes about, I bet here, this is still an unattainable value.

          Dear snek below brought the schedule. The number in 44% is indicated there.
          Single pn junction crystalline silicon devices are now approaching the theoretical limiting power efficiency of 33.7%, noted as the Shockley – Queisser limit in 1961. In the extreme, with an infinite number of layers, the corresponding limit is 86% using concentrated sunlight.
          1. 0
            26 October 2012 20: 59
            Quote: professor
            Dear snek below brought the schedule. The number in 44% is indicated there.
            - I'll read it, I'm behind the times. But 44% is really a lot, in our region in all seriousness in the summer a couple of square meters of battery with such efficiency will fully provide a house with electricity, and a car.... Maybe these are some kind of completely laboratory (non-serial) experimental samples or samples that can only be installed on large stationary batteries?
            1. 0
              26 October 2012 21: 32
              I was offered to put 40 squares on the roof of the house that give 10 kilowatts. It will cost about 25 tons of American rubles. I can’t make up my mind.
              1. 0
                26 October 2012 22: 35
                Quote: professor
                I was offered to put 40 squares on the roof of the house that give 10 kilowatts. It will cost about 25 tons of American rubles. I can’t make up my mind.
                - a little expensive, I agree. Given your mentality, I understand twice smile Joke. For example, with our cost of a kW-hour in Kazakhstan being less than 10 cents, it will take an excessively long time to pay for itself. And the situation, most importantly, has not changed for many years or has hardly changed. If there had been will, we would have worked it out to the required efficiency and set up mass production, thereby lowering the price. Well, if it hasn't changed, then there are powerful forces interested in it. Look for someone who benefits smile
                By the way, 40 squares giving only 10 kW is far from 44% efficiency. You can even count interest for the sake of. Hardly there will be 10%
  8. sapulid
    +2
    26 October 2012 14: 24
    You know, there was information that the States created a paint that converts solar energy into electricity. Ours, however, are treading water in the last century. Apparently, Chubais is in his element. He will do everything to satisfy the "Washington Regional Committee".

    Who will explain to me how you can make the main manager of a person vital to the country a project who has discredited himself in every way?

    The main achievement of this pi ... doras is a box with bucks for the "drunk in Borvich"
    1. mamba
      +2
      26 October 2012 15: 19
      Quote: sapulid
      The main achievement of this pi ... doras is a box with bucks for the "drunk in Borvich"

      Not only. There is also a constant replenishment of offshore accounts of its current patrons. Otherwise I would not have lasted a day. wink
      Not every rogue is equally useful. laughing
  9. snek
    0
    26 October 2012 14: 36
    Here is the development of photocells:

    so 28% is not an indicator
  10. Nechai
    +1
    26 October 2012 14: 52
    Quote: professor
    Russia has a unique technology for its cheap production (by chipping it off a spraying drum)

    Is it about diamond films?
    Quote: professor
    - lithium is very expensive today ...

    And here is an occupation for Afghan dekhanas, instead of growing opium poppy. They are all worried about what they will earn for bread if Russia launches its bacterioreceptions on the fields of Afghanistan, and poppy will not grow ALIAST.
  11. bask
    +1
    26 October 2012 15: 06
    We have plenty of sun in our region ((350 days of sunshine))) And plenty of windy days. But we can't buy not only solar panels that cost a fortune. But also a simple 1.5 kilowatt wind turbine! It is necessary to implement all military inventions in civilian life. But it seems that no one needs it...
    1. 0
      26 October 2012 20: 55
      Quote: bask
      In our region there is plenty of sun ((350 days of sunshine))) And plenty of windy days. But we can't buy not only solar panels that cost a fortune. But also a simple 1.5 kilowatt wind turbine! It is necessary to implement all military inventions in civilian life. But it seems that no one needs it.
      - with the wind turbine, we in Kazakhstan have finally moved from dead center. There was an invention of a Kazakh scientist, where the wind turbine perceived the wind load in a vertical position, like vertical blinds. Unlike standard wind turbines of German manufacture, here you do not need to track the direction of the wind and turn the wind turbine towards it, no matter where it is blowing from.
      Experimental models are being installed at the Dzungarian Gates, where there are decent winds 365 days a year. The headache is how to get the energy from there to the consumer cities and beyond. There are no investors. If you dig a hole in the Earth, there are investors, even from overseas they will come skipping, but you still have to persuade them to do this, and they haven't persuaded you yet.
      1. bask
        0
        26 October 2012 21: 08
        aksakal, I myself did something similar that year. But unfortunately, I didn’t bring it to mind .. But I also chose a vertical scheme, with 6. metal corrugated plates. Maybe I can finish it .....
        1. +1
          26 October 2012 23: 55
          Quote: bask
          Maybe I’ll finish it ....
          - good luck! Just need to bring to mind, you will succeed -)) 0
      2. mamba
        0
        28 October 2012 18: 29
        Quote: aksakal
        It was the invention of a Kazakhstani scientist, where a wind turbine perceived the wind load in an upright position, like vertical blinds. Unlike standard German-made windmills, you don’t need to track the direction of the wind and turn the windmill towards it, no matter where it blows from.

        I remember still the late Jacques Yves Cousteau built a yacht with such "sails". The ship had two columns, inside which were vertical fans connected to a generator. And then the electric motor and the screw. There, too, the wind direction was unimportant.
        The name of the vessel, unfortunately, I do not remember, but it looked elegant and the driving performance was magnificent.
  12. +1
    26 October 2012 20: 23
    The most worthy advertisement for such achievements is the appearance of their results on store shelves (Yandex Market will do too). Today, through an online store, you can easily buy Chinese and other components for non-industrial solar power plants, but ours are almost non-existent and they are more expensive.
    I wish the speedy introduction of new and breakthrough technologies to our electronic engineers.
  13. +1
    26 October 2012 20: 58
    Gemar,
    Quote: Gamar
    I regularly hear from Chinese directors (I have been working with the Chinese for 8 years) that they say - brazen Russians are pumping resources from our original Chinese territory, and then they are selling to us. Moreover, knowing that I speak Chinese, they are not at all embarrassed to express their claims to each other on our territory!

    And we wonder why everything is so bad for us, but something depends on each of us. If they tell you to your face that you are a loser, and you pretend that you do not understand, then there is nothing to be offended by that you were screwed (in front of all of Siberia).
    1. Gemar
      +1
      27 October 2012 17: 04
      Quote: Grey68
      If you are told that you are a sucker

      I understand this is a stone in my garden?
      Believe me, I am not shy about the Chinese, I regularly prove that their territory is right up to the Great Wall of China. If I can’t prove anything, I tell them that our troops have such an experience that they have never dreamed of. Yes, and women, that Russian, that Chinese, with pleasure will sleep with me, Russian, and not with a small Chinese pipiska! Thank God, I have never received it in the face.
      And if you are so cool that you operate with the words "goof" and "threw", try to ram in China with local wink ! I can do it (but only because the Chinese bosses see me as profitable, that’s stopping me from time to time).
      The Chinese know that I "hate them"! But they are respected for their ability to bring profit to both them and themselves.
      1. +1
        27 October 2012 20: 40
        Bravo. good Similar arguments I gave them and also recommended to study history, for example, about Napoleon. They told me in response that they would crush Russia economically and demographically and poked a local map where the "historical territories of China" include Lake Baikal and much more.
        1. Gemar
          0
          28 October 2012 04: 30
          Professor, thanks for the support! +
          Quote: professor
          poked a local map where the "historical territories of China" include Baikal and much more.

          Unfortunately, in China, in history lessons, they study the official map of the world. And after the lessons, as an option, they study the map of "primordial Chinese lands". Moreover, the Chinese do not need evidence-based arguments why this territory is designated as Chinese. Just tell them that the foreigners are morose - immediately there is an approving hum.
          Quote: professor
          crush Russia economically and demographically

          Unfortunately, this is a fairly true statement! If we let China develop for another 10-20 years, then they will not need any war. They will take all available business into their own hands, and they will simply crush all those who disagree with "investments" (which are justly prohibited in many European countries).
          The most favorable option for us is if the Arab countries start a war with China.
          1. mamba
            0
            28 October 2012 18: 36
            Quote: Gamar
            The most favorable option for us is if the Arab countries start a war with China.

            And still, the States should be pulled here so that these three forces fought among themselves to the utmost exhaustion. wink
  14. 0
    26 October 2012 21: 25
    Innovators of the university enterprise SibInvent-Cosmos in Krasnoyarsk have developed an original design of solar batteries for space and ground use, which are capable of higher efficiency than all other Russian analogues. Skolkovo promises to help start the production of these cheap solar cells.


    Well done siberians! Just how is Skolkovo trying to cling to them? Will solar energy be cut too?