More than 3 million rubles seized from the ex-head of the department of the Ministry of Defense

Holding "Oboronservis", controlled by the Ministry of Defense, involved in a major scandal. We are talking about scams with real estate, land and shares worth three billion rubles. Investigators conducted searches and seizure of documents, including - in the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense. More than 3 million rubles, antiques and valuables were seized from ex-head of the department Evgenia Vasilyeva.

According to the investigation, officials of the Ministry of Defense chose the most prestigious real estate from the property of Oboronservis. Then huge budget funds were invested in it, after which the property was sold at a reduced price to commercial entities associated with Oboronservis.
Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The president ordered him to render full assistance to the investigation.

Comments

[NAV-STAR]

For a long time it was necessary to start attracting an article for such crimes "Treason to the Motherland", and to uranium mines, and not to lie down in elite cells waiting for an amnesty.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: NAV-STAR

to uranium mines

Uranium mines are a highly intelligent and technologically advanced process; no one works with Kyle and Shovel there.
Here to send poop to scoop from the leaky sewerage just right.

[Vadivak]

Quote: R

Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The President instructed him to provide full assistance to the investigation

All Khan of corruption. The case is in good hands. Gave the wolf a sheep graze

[alexng]

In my opinion this is a noose for Serdyukov.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: alexneg

In my opinion this is a noose for Serdyukov.

There was already one noose for Chaika, when they tied a bunch of prosecutors, only not one was eventually planted. If the interests of those in power are affected, if he sits, then only some six.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There was already one noose for Chaika

I agree, it's generally something incredible !!
The prosecutor was declared wanted, seized in Poland, brought with handcuffs and, as a result, everything was free !!
Blah I can’t imagine !!!
This I think is impossible even in Africa!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarbay

I think this is impossible even in Africa

Alibek, in Africa this is definitely not possible, they’ll just shoot them there and that's it

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Alibek, in Africa this is definitely not possible, they’ll just shoot them there and that's it

and here’s the version!
The person involved in the high-profile case of "protection" by high-ranking prosecutors outside Moscow of a network of underground casinos confirmed the fears of journalists that the "gambling business" is falling apart. The charges, which the investigators intended to bring to the prosecutors in this case, were based on the testimony of a businessman Ivan Nazarov, whose arrest was declared illegal in early October. The next step is to declare the testimony given to him invalid, since it was obtained during the illegal arrest, which means to refuse the testimony of the key figure.

"Do you know who made the decision on our case? Deputy Chairman of the Moscow Regional Court Vasily Gavrichkov," Nazarov told Moskovsky Komsomolets. According to him, this judge is directly related to the persons involved in the case and is closely acquainted with them. Firstly, this person is a close friend of Alexander Ignatenko. “I informed the investigation that I paid for the private plane of Ignatenko and some employees of the Moscow Regional Court when they needed to rest in warm regions,” Nazarov said in an interview.
http://www.newsru.com/russia/26oct2012/igry.html

[viktor_ui]

Why is it not possible ... when one thief catches others by mistake (overlay), then this logical result is predictable.

[Ross]

alexneg,
Yes, how many times have come across "comrades-in-arms" Taburetkin, but things are still there. To reveal the secret of his invulnerability, eh. The heart feels - it will come out dry again.

[vadimN]

Quote: Ross

He feels the heart - he will come out dry again.

He will, don't doubt it... Unfortunately. Yesterday, instead of a government meeting, he went to Putin unscheduled... He went to the boss to make excuses...

[Beck]

Here is the defense site. People are worried about the army. In their own way they discuss how to build the best tank, launch a perfect rocket, equip a soldier.

Yes, no fucking fails. In vain people vomit throats. While the officials in the Ministry of Defense are not thinking about defense, they’re grabbing at it. Well, they don't need a new plane. The main thing for them is to break through financing for this plane in order to get some money from there.

And it will not end. It is quietly hushed here, so in another place it will crawl out. And why so. But because all in their place by one person put and only accountable to him. And with one you can agree, and pitiless, and share. This is not the answer to all the people to keep.

[sq]

the story repeats itself. it was similar a hundred and two hundred and three hundred years ago.

[v53993]

Stools do not sink - the "law of nature" in Russian business. ...

[Tsim]

I think so too . I jumped as they say

[Joker]

Yeah, right now. This is all just a small part, believe me, Serdyuk sees that they started tightening the nuts, so he found a scapegoat, now they will hand him over and while the investigation calms down for a while, he will continue to twist. "Who will plant him - he's a monument" - Putin appointed him, so nothing will happen to him. Only an idiot does not know who is behind these movements, does Putin look like an idiot? I think not, so either Pu is in the stake, or he has some other plans for the Stool.

[alexng]

He looks like he has already done all the rough work - it's time to merge. And merge, where the thread in Skolkovo, but it would be better at a furniture factory.

[Samovar]

Quote: alexneg

but it would be better at a furniture factory.

As an option - to procure lumber for chairs under the watchful supervision of escorts.

[Kaa]

Quote: alexneg

And merge, where the thread in Skolkovo, but it would be better at a furniture factory.

Yeah, there is no one to develop solar energy, and the waste from stool production to us in Ukraine will be supplied in the form of "alternative fuel", otherwise our Yanukovych "threatened" the other day, they say, they will buy gas not in Russia, but somewhere cheaper.

[A descendant]

To Chubais, to Nanai nano stools do

[Tsim]

Quote: Joker

or he has some other plans for the Stool.

So maybe the plans for mixing stools in the mud or exposing flogging began to come true.

At least I really want to believe in it.

[mamba]

Quote: Joker

either Pu in proportion, or he has some other plans for the Stool.

I think both options are fair. And the plans for the Stool are quite clear: who is cutting the chicken that lays the golden eggs? And to merge, if it is planned, then only with the mass protest demonstrations and the departure of tanks from military camps.

[Ustas]

Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The president ordered him to render full assistance to the investigation.

Oboronservice holding controlled by the Ministry of Defense

Maybe I read something wrong? How will Serdyukov "render full assistance to the investigation"? Will he merge himself? But mark my word, this "thief does not burn his hat." Get out.

[alatau_09]

He was given a chance to prove that he is not dirt and that if he does not prove it, then no one and nothing will help him, much higher than GDP.

[vadimN]

Quote: alatau_09

He was given a chance to prove that he is not dirt and that if he does not prove it, then no one and nothing will help him, much higher than GDP.

Dear, doesn’t it seem to you that this is not Serdyukov’s chance to prove that he is not dirt, but Putin ???

If GDP covers this again ... sales do not know what to call ... then it will lose the last respect and trust of people. those who still believe and hope him.
Only the blind and officials do not see what Serdyukov does in the Moscow Region.

[alatau_09]

vadimN,
I am not Russian and I do not have the right to categorically write, read between the lines ...

[Kaa]

Quote: alatau_09

He is given a chance to prove that he is not dirt

Are you talking about such a chance?

[alatau_09]

Kaa, you +, his choice, apparently, is not great.

[Karabin]

Quote: Kaa

Are you talking about such a chance?

Picture without options, shot sleeve. Well, except to break the forehead with the handle.

[military]

well, why immediately "myself"? ... Shlyakhturov (ex-head of the GRU General Staff) has long been transplanted into his chair as chairman of the holding's board of directors ...

[predator.2]

I agree with you, it was necessary to put in bracelets and in the camera! There he really would have merged himself, and many more of his homies.

[v53993]

The hat burned for a long time with a clear flame. Together with conscience.

[military]

well, since the Pilot "instructed" ... it means that he still needs a stool and this time he will sit in the chair too ...

[v53993]

Stool in an armchair, original. +

[WW3]

Corruption must be fought mercilessly - it is a cancerous tumor ... only radical methods of therapy ....

[lesnik.]

Quote: WW3

only radical therapies ....

Surgery

[WW3]

In oncology, chemotherapy and radiation therapy will be used when metastases, a scalpel and surgery are only in the early stages of the disease, when there is no metastasis ...

[lesnik.]

I mean, in this case, it’s advisable to cut off this kind of metastasis to the ears, not paying attention to the patient’s cries that he is being cut alive.

[WW3]

In ancient humane times, thieves simply chopped off their hands, that's all ...

[Speedy]

For the eggs of the whole shobla, led by Perdyukov .... And then on the count on Red Square .....

[Oleg S.]

No, I knew that women were knots by nature (after all, a girl had a loot) but that would be so much ....

[Ross]

Oleg S.,
Duck, together with Taburetkin, went through such a "school" in the tax authorities.

[mamba]

Yes, there is such work: to plunder the homeland.

[Joker]

So who put them there? This is a stool he put himself around the women, now you can see why, so to speak, a dual-use subordinate, you can steal money, and you can ... Well, you understand Casanova horseradish, for the tricks would hang him on Red Square as a warning to others.

[DIMS]

This is actually a bit. She has an official income of 6.2 million per year. Serdyukov feeds his well

[koksalek]

Execute, execute and execute again with confiscation of everything that is hidden by relatives and recorded on them. They built vampires and so communism, everything for them, and huts and summer cottages and sky-high salaries and benefits that mortals could not even dream of so little. They’re not afraid of anything, equating them with traitors and traitors so that they spit at the mention of these people. Burn them in hell for their deeds. I apologize but it is already painful, we are hunching over a poor salary, and these freaks are chewing and stealing nobody and not being afraid of anything. Where is the punishing sword when it begins to punish so that everyone before thinking evilly think hard about themselves and their loved ones.

[dimanf]

Quote: koksalek

Execute, execute and execute again with confiscation of everything that is hidden by relatives and recorded on them. They built vampires and so communism, everything for them, and huts and summer cottages and sky-high salaries and benefits that mortals could not even dream of so little. They’re not afraid of anything, equating them with traitors and traitors so that they spit at the mention of these people. Burn them in hell for their deeds. I apologize but it is already painful, we are hunching over a poor salary, and these freaks are chewing and stealing nobody and not being afraid of anything. Where is the punishing sword when it begins to punish so that everyone before thinking evilly think hard about themselves and their loved ones.

But to start with the roofer, who appointed Taburetkin again?

[military]

Quote: dimanf

But to start with the roofer, who appointed Taburetkin again?

right from the guarantor of this whole XXX Institution? ...

[Z.A.M.]

And here is another NewSerdyukov, from the new ones ...
That Experimenter. SchA will narulit ...

The restructuring of the department initiated by the young Minister of Communications and Mass Media has already led to a practical stupor of activity. Meanwhile, 30-year-old Nikolai Nikiforov wants to raise his salary to 2,5 million rubles a month. This is almost 2,5 times more than the US President Barack Obama receives, the newspaper Trud notes.

According to the publication, Nikolai Nikiforov sent a proposal to the government to improve the structure and size of remuneration for employees of the Ministry of Communications. “The minister suggests reducing the staff of the department by more than two times and simultaneously raising the average wage by three times,” Trud writes.

At the same time, as the newspaper notes, Nikolai Nikiforov planned the greatest increase in income for himself: he wants to increase his salary 10 times, from the current 240 thousand "net" rubles a month to 2,5 million rubles. This is almost 2,5 times the salary of Barack Obama. Members of the minister's new team have not been forgotten either. “Two deputies Nikiforov plans to pay 1,3 million rubles instead of 190 thousand rubles a month, and two more - 950 thousand rubles instead of 172 thousand,” the newspaper adds.

To justify such an unprecedented increase in salaries, Nikiforov offers a twofold reduction in the personnel of the ministry. Now there are 329 full-time officials and 124 consultants working here, recalls Trud. According to the Minister’s plan, only 205 people should remain, and the consultations should be provided by outside experts, for the payment of which Nikiforov requests to create a personal special fund of 150 million rubles a year, which he will dispose of without tenders provided for by law.

However, staff reductions will not lead to savings: the salary fund is planned to be more than doubled: from 298,6 million rubles to 608 million rubles. But the personnel changes in the ministry have already led to the fact that his activities are paralyzed, notes “Labor”.

Well, what can I say... Putin knows how to choose ministers... Vladimir Putin held a meeting with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The President instructed him to provide full cooperation to the investigation.

[mamba]

My heart feels that everything that Nikiforov proposed will be accepted. This is a new source of dough for the largest.

[maestro123]

I wonder who appointed her there, you simply won’t go to such positions ...

[DIMS]

Serdyukov also appointed. He dragged from a previous place of work

[military]

by the way, for some reason it seems that if you delve into the hut of the stool itself, then the notorious "three million" will seem like a trifle for ice cream ...
and if you dig at Himself ... although what am I talking about? ... how can I?! ... keep quiet

[military]

Quote: Z.A.M.

Well, what can I say... Putin knows how to choose ministers...

... he is quite predictable in relation to the People of the Inner Circle ... ...

[Gorchakov]

I think that Vasilyeva is simply a scapegoat, simply the last one given over to be devoured by the justice system... Serdyukov, having received the order to assist the authorities, thereby secured the support of the president that all employees of the Ministry of Defense involved in the thefts will be brought to justice, but it will not affect him personally... Thus, Serdyukov received an indulgence... Although, I think that this began even before Vasilyeva.....

[Pit Bull59]

Quote: Z.A.M.

What can I say ... Putin knows how to choose ministers ... Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The President instructed him to provide full assistance to the investigation.

And finally come with the confession ...

[Sasha 19871987]

oh how good, hang up the eggs of the bastards ... the country was losing 300 million for a deal, these kind of kulibins in defense service work ....

[Waroc]

Uti-ways, dear God, you are mine, already 3 million rubles were taken from her. I have a feeling that if a proportionally equal part of my modest income were taken from me, it would be about a maximum of rubles 30 kopecks 00. It’s better to let them look, I’m sure should be, and not just at home.

[8 company]

Corruption is a problem, of course. We are jumping from one extreme to another: if communism, then with dispossession and extrajudicial executions, if capitalism, then with rampant, blatant corruption. When will the ship stop rocking?

[mamba]

Quote: Company 8

When will the ship stop swaying?

When the country runs out of natural resources, and the people run out of money.

[sq]

mamba,
then the ship will fall to the bottom

[understudy]

Quote: Company 8

When will the ship stop swaying?

I can assume, but for now I will keep the peace of mind of the "approbates".

And vaasche, Vasilyeva, this is a straight roll, a female beggar. Tolya from the "goddaughter", that is, from Ksyushadi, was confiscated by the mileyon in a different calculation, but returned. It turned out to be honestly earned on unloading wagons with coal. It happens...

[PiP]

!!! "I didn't even expect this, can you imagine that?" "Can not be". After all, in the higher echelons, "crystal honest" people work. It's me a thief, who tries to hide his income from the state and the tax authorities constantly bother me that he paid for the car at the wrong time, for a fine, a traffic police firing squad. And here is such a "not a wine prank" waste of the budget. In general, I would apply to such pranks: Articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation No. 275, 281, 283, 284, etc.

[PiP]

I forgot to add about the articles indicated by me -http: //evcppk.ru/ugolovnoe-pravo/744-prestupleniya-posyagayushhie-na-yekonomich
eskuyu-bezopasnost-i-oboronosposobobost-rossii.html

[recruit]

Put them all at the head of Serdyukov and not mistaken.

[AAA]

And what is happening only in the Ministry of Defense? I highly doubt that our officials are building palaces for themselves on ministerial salaries. The corruption issue has become a pain in the neck for everyone - nothing but chatter. First of all, everyone in the country should be equal before the law, from the president to the janitor. But for now we see that there is one law for officials and their relatives, and another for the rest of the people. A peasant on a collective farm will get a full sentence for stealing a cart of manure, and an official who grabbed a billion will get a suspended sentence. Now the media will chatter about this topic for 5 days and then everyone will simply forget about it.

[georg737577]

These figures should not be shot, but used as donors for organ transplants; yesterday, they took the cornea, today they donate a kidney, tomorrow they don’t take the heart ... Let the stolen work out ....

[v53993]

I'm afraid this will lead to the spread of infection. +

[lesnik.]

Looking at these top managers from the army who have grown to complete chaos, I begin to vaguely doubt, or maybe Comrade Stalin was right when he cleared the tip of the Armed Forces, maybe his corruption got it.

[taseka]

REMOVE A NEED OF CONDITION, NOT TO CHARGE !!!

[maestro123]

Reform-sleep fast ... grab and go.

[gregor6549]

If the head of the Ministry of Defense is a big special. on cutting the military budget, why can't his subordinates have a couple of kilos of "sawdust"? Waste from production, so to speak, a trifle

[Magadan]

Oh, come on. The most that will happen is house arrest and two years probation. Here, only you and I are put in jail. And the bureaucrats - "they are a monument, who will put them in jail?"

[IRBIS]

Only 3 million? Guys, were you looking well? After all, this is only for her pins and lips. You, in general, walk through the offices and apartments of the MO staff ("girls and boys of Serdyukov") and look in them. There you will find that the military budget with the rearmament program will seem like a trifle. And shake their Papik, he has another budget!

[Nechai]

Quote: NAV-STAR

For a long time it was necessary to start attracting an article for such crimes "Treason to the Motherland"

Nowadays, this is an economic crime - a fine and nothing more. The ruling class naturally created laws and a Criminal Code to suit its own interests. Why should they expose themselves to the death penalty? Only the gentlemen DO NOT CONSIDER one thing - in any state there is responsibility for certain crimes committed, without a statute of limitations.

Quote: Yarbay

Blah I can’t imagine !!!

And the cure for the charges of the General Prosecutor’s Office, through a course of treatment at the Central Clinical Hospital? And this is not a joke and not a, but the realities of an elitist existence.

[merkel1961]

Who is not lazy, type in the search engine "female regiment of Minister Serdyukov." My bald head stood on end! And who are his nominees - a whole company of tax officers, educators, lottery women and teachers in general positions! Some are 26 years old. No more words, only the motherfucker remained, I'll go have some tea ...

[Joker]

And Putin is to blame for this, he has put this chmyr to the post and so be sure about the Babsk regiment, he also knows. Putin is still an ambiguous personality, he seems to be doing something for the country, but on the other hand he made such a mess that even if he doesn’t fall, it feels like he doesn’t understand people at all or does only one thing he knows, and the ministers do what they want without the knowledge Putin. Here is this case, but for 3 years in all the media they trumpeted that they merge the state. Serdyukov’s property and his company, only now they have begun to do something, now Serdyukov will again come out of the water dry and what to think? It turns out Putin is absolutely no better than him? Serdyukov also buys a lot of things in the army, but he covers all these things with these things, it turns out that Putin is like doing something, and is doing his own business undercover. If Serdyuk is not removed now, I will definitely never vote for Putin again, I will also be campaigning for relatives and acquaintances, because this will already be an open cover for the bandits, Putin is covering up, which means he is at the head and stands. We’ll see, I think in the next 2 weeks everything will be definitely decided, if they don’t get fired for this period, it’s covering, then if the media starts to escalate the situation, they will pretend like Serdyuk is tired and he will leave, if so, honestly vote for Putin so that he didn’t do it later, I won’t do it anymore, it’s time to start landing and checking, enough to chew on the snot, for 12 years everyone has been waiting for this.

[Volkhov]

Everything is logical - it was necessary to sell off the stocks - they set up the tax authorities, united such a team, the war began in alliance with America - they put the American, and since it is clearly unpatriotic, they will leave these, but take firmly for ... so that the commands are executed instantly.
The war in alliance with America implies "lend-lease" - for example, everything necessary goes to Libya and Syria, but they steal ... therefore, preventive measures are necessary. Putin said: "assist the investigation," but there could be no other way, and Obama would say the same thing - the audit was ordered by a higher funding source, and it is not a fact that girls are loved there.
Changes are different, not always a trading boor and e ... b worse than an American vampire and pid ... a.

[viktor_ui]

and why, some high-ranking “gourmets” hold “Unisex” in high esteem.

[bask]

They should have invited the Cossacks and given them a spanking on the ass ((butt)))) for the entire amount of stolen state funds. And in addition, to the one who hired this b....(corrupt official))))) for a job. Then it would have been good. And as always, buying off with...

[sanyabasik]

And I believe him ...
Is it possible not to believe him?

[broker]

Such a photo must be hung in each barracks to raise the spirit of soldiers! )))

[Owl]

The results of "strengthening the vertical of power", VVP put Serdyuk to the post a long time ago, Serdyuk brought with him a crowd of "bitches with bitches" money, and when receiving bribes, there is always "unfastening" to the top, "unfastening" to "godfather", who is Serdyuk's "godfather"? - Of course, all thieves of public funds have only ONE "godfather", this is GDP!

[tank64rus]

The whole reform of Serdyukov is to receive money. Money and money at all costs. The naive think that they are sleeping there and see how to protect Russia from the adversary. The question is, why, when they have all the relatives and bills over the hill. Well, they scooped up excessively.

[AleksUkr]

@@@@@ Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The President instructed him to provide full assistance to the investigation. @@@@@@

Launched goat GDP in the garden with cabbage. He will show full cooperation there ...

CORRUPTION: American: Received money, built, and stole the rest. IN RUSSIAN: I got the money (budget), stole, and that I could not carry it, I let it go to the construction site.

[dmb]

Oh, where are all those who shouted Putin and Serdyukov are raising the army and the country from its knees, every day, we are getting stronger and stronger. Here, one of the commentators suggested that the Cossacks should give all the thieves a beating with their whips. I even know one such Cossack on the site, a whole Cossack esaul.

[dimanf]

Quote: dmb

Oh, and where are all those who shouted Putin and Serdyukov raise the army and the country from their knees, that every day, we are stronger and stronger.

not yet evening.
now they will run in and will actively prove that the sun of the nation has nothing to do with it.
and who is against Putin-the swamps!
and something shit NTV channel is not eager to expose Taburetkina.

[Yarbay]

Quote: dmb

the whole esaul of the Cossack.

So after all, he is one of those who believes that everything is normal !!!

[vikruss]

A good start, comrades, But the punishment for such crimes must correspond to their norm of severity, multiplied by the position of an official. Let me explain, if a simple man stole a piece of sausage, this is not bad, the staff and the end of it, But if an official, at the expense of his position ... the death penalty or, I agree with the opinion about uranium mines, with the coffee of all property. Given that all the growth makers must be checked for the fact of acquiring property without the corresponding income. that is, if the family member of such a bureaucratic rat suddenly became rich, then this is an obvious "withdrawal".
If urgent measures of a radical nature are not taken in Russia for such manifestations, including physical elimination, then unfortunately everything will remain as before. This gentlemen is no longer just financial fraud, This is treason to the motherland.

[Alekseev]

This is a test for power.
If it turns out that this woman is a fool, and the minister is a good guy, then all questions disappear.

[v53993]

And there everything fell away long ago, and first of all, conscience.

[v53993]

"There was a simple wooden stool, but it became gilded. It was gilded, it became gold. Was gold, it becomes diamond."
The plot for a new Russian folk tale.

[Karabin]

Vladimir Putin met with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The president ordered him to render full assistance to the investigation.

As the notorious esaul likes to say, This is undoubtedly a very wise, balanced and timely decision by our president. To them ......
puncture after puncture, instead of deeds, one props. And thieves, thieves, thieves.

[DIMS]

In fact, this is not military. We have traditionally the boss is responsible for the schools of subordinates. So it was, is, and most likely will be.

Maybe Taburetkin is not a military man, but he applied this rule to commanders subordinate to him more than once. And the valiant Commanders-in-Chief approved of his actions ...
Is it worth it to extend to him? It is a pity the National Leader in the Nichrome army did not serve, it seems that the rules in their Office were somewhat different.

[bask]

He ordered, which means the investigation (((with the help and assistance of Ambassador Serdyukov)))) I am more than sure that the guilty will not be found. Not a "sham", but a national catastrophe)))))))))

[Alex 241]

If there is an award pistol, it should close in the office and shoot yourself, but this is certainly not about him ......... Dim, hi, he is the Minister of Defense, and is responsible for the actions of his subordinates, you are saying everything correctly.

[Navuxonastupil]

It's time to adopt the best practices of Chinese comrades! They have the fight against corruption put on the right track.

[Kyrgyz]

They confiscated 3 million rubles, but the pathos was like 3 billion rubles, this is not a huge amount of money, and their presence at home cannot mean anything

[Beck]

How can it not? Three billion were stolen. One of the suspects found 3 million, antiques, jewelry. A logical question - Zin, money otkedova? But is it not a shmatochka from 3 billionoa?

[Comrade1945]

Found Goats absolution, you understand