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The Pentagon is considering the possibility of supplying Ukraine with MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems

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The Pentagon is considering the possibility of supplying Ukraine with MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems

The United States has responded to the Zelensky regime's repeated requests to beef up Ukraine's air defenses amid Russia's use of Geran-2 kamikaze drones. According to Reuters, the Pentagon is considering the transfer of HAWK anti-aircraft systems to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


The massive missile strikes on Ukraine's critical infrastructure that began on October 10 showed the failure of the Ukrainian air defense, which shot down Russian missiles and drones only in name. After part of Ukraine's energy facilities were disabled, Zelensky sounded the bell, urgently demanding from his US sponsors the supply of anti-aircraft systems capable of blocking the sky.

The United States does not seem to mind supplying air defense systems to Kyiv, but everything rests on their absence. The Americans will not supply expensive and complex systems such as the Patriot air defense system, but there are simply no others, they must first be produced. Therefore, we are talking about the supply of a small number of the same Norwegian NASAMS or German IRIS-T.

Against this background, the Pentagon proposed to supply Ukraine with the HAWK medium-range air defense system, adopted by the American army in 1960. The complex was repeatedly modernized and was in service with the US Army until 1994, and the Marine Corps until 2002. The main operators of the air defense system, in addition to the United States, were Japan and Iran. How many complexes are planned to be delivered to Ukraine is still unknown.

It is worth noting that Spain also promised to supply Hawk air defense systems to Kyiv, Madrid will supply four anti-aircraft systems. A week ago, Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov announced the delivery of air defense systems to Ukraine.
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  1. Two
    Two 25 October 2022 10: 17
    +4
    hi And how will it work? Against what? "Mopeds" are slow, "Iskanders" are difficult to defeat ...
    1. Bingo
      Bingo 25 October 2022 10: 24
      +3
      Aviation. KR.
      Although it’s like here, give the fool a glass of horseradish ...
      On December 31, 1973, Israeli anti-aircraft gunners, who were celebrating the new year, accidentally launched a Hawk air defense missile, which hit an Israeli F-10 oil platform in Balim. The platform was completely destroyed. Oil production from 7 wells was stopped, Israel lost more than half of the oil received in the Sinai.

      And these, uncomplicated, hobbits are cooler
    2. Pharmacist
      Pharmacist 25 October 2022 10: 27
      0
      Against aviation, of course. It is necessary to increase the production of missiles and drones as much as possible, since bomber aircraft do not fly deep into the Reich.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 25 October 2022 10: 27
      +1
      Yes Schaub boo.. what I don’t think that this complex will even intercept a cruise missile. However, if it was modernized ... They were previously designed to defeat Soviet equipment, MIG21,23.Su of various types.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 25 October 2022 18: 25
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        "... Against this background, the Pentagon proposed to supply Ukraine with the HAWK medium-range air defense system, which was adopted by the American army in 1960. The complex was repeatedly modernized and was in service with the US Army until 1994, and the Marine Corps until 2002.
        ..."
        - moreover, the GUARANTEED SHELF LIFE - of any electronic equipment - usually does not exceed 20-30 years ... (transistors, toggle switches, relays, resistors, capacitors, connectors) ... And this is when stored IN WAREHOUSES.
        - what are they going to supply to these skakuas there ?! ... since 1960 !!!
        Stoke - do not live
        8-)))
        8-))
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 25 October 2022 18: 59
          0
          I, the same age as Hawke .. Stock live ... laughing hi
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 25 October 2022 10: 49
      -1
      PIP3 is transmitted first with Kshna rocket. He takes the Tomahawk / Caliber CR completely. According to UAVs, it’s quite realistic, especially under Sentinel (which the Armed Forces already have).

      Also, the United States has heaps of these air defense systems. In theory, they can send 60 two-platoon batteries. This is what I’m talking about, if the surplus is given to the troops in the main directions, then this will sharply increase losses / reduce the presence of aviation, because Nursami can no longer shoot from Kabrirovaniya.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 25 October 2022 11: 16
        +1
        What am I, if the surplus is given to the troops,
        ... the Hawk battery has a deployment time approximately like that of the S-125, a couple of hours, turning on the overview for about 3 hours, .... and that's it, ... and as soon as the overview works, then the arrival will be in half an hour, and the time for curtailment of Hoch for about an hour and a half ... draw conclusions, gentlemen
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 25 October 2022 11: 54
          -1
          You again take the first Hawk.

          And if everything was as simple as yours, then bridges, substations and heating stations would have been cast iron long ago, and not used for this by the Kyrgyz Republic.

          As for turning on and dying, here is Sentinel working in the south, giving contacts to heterogeneous air defense forces (Buki / Wasps / Taras on pickup trucks with MANPADS) And it does not die. Why the same Sentinel as part of Hawk - will die?



          I am already silent about the fact that real databases are the best field for tactical and technical improvements. To what extent did they exceed the standards for the deployment / collapse of the S-75 in Vietnam? How many different cunning tactics were included in the new editions of instructions and training program?
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 25 October 2022 12: 05
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            How much did they exceed the standards for the deployment / collapse of the S-75 in Vietnam
            .... half an hour, but leaving the PU
          2. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 25 October 2022 12: 08
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            Why the same Sentinel as part of Hawk - will die?
            ...because it is material, that is, it is made from material atoms a e from neutrinos and photons
          3. navigator777
            navigator777 25 October 2022 13: 54
            0
            And the point is that they work, Geraniums do their job.
      2. navigator777
        navigator777 25 October 2022 13: 34
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        Quote: donavi49
        PIP3 is transmitted first with Kshna rocket. He takes the Tomahawk / Caliber CR completely. According to UAVs, it’s quite realistic, especially under Sentinel (which the Armed Forces already have).

        Also, the United States has heaps of these air defense systems. In theory, they can send 60 two-platoon batteries. This is what I’m talking about, if the surplus is given to the troops in the main directions, then this will sharply increase losses / reduce the presence of aviation, because Nursami can no longer shoot from Kabrirovaniya.

        You forget that their weak point is the radar and during the next mass attack by drones, these radars will be taken out when trying to shoot down the drones. In addition, outdated complexes will certainly not be able to deal with small targets like Geranium2.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 25 October 2022 14: 02
          +2
          Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine use a fairly significant (up to 10) Sentinel radar. Exactly the same ones are included in the Hawk 21 complex and an option in PIP3.

          If we are talking about Geranium, then it’s purple for him who and what irradiates him, what electronic warfare they use on him. Therefore, 100 suppression systems from NATO in an emergency delivery from Stoltenberg look comical. For they will not affect Geranium in any way. However, the downside is that it flies to the coordinates. And if there is nothing in the coordinates, then it will hit nothing.

          As for Arash-2, it’s already more difficult there, but Arash itself is twice the size of Geranium and far from being so massive. And yes, for Arash2 there is simply a PRR seeker. This does not mean that each Arash will fly to the radar, but only those that are purchased from the PRR GOS.
    5. laws70
      laws70 25 October 2022 12: 30
      0
      And how will it work? Against what?

      Will work against residential buildings.
  2. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 25 October 2022 10: 18
    +4
    SAM hawk by no means can effectively deal with drones
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 25 October 2022 10: 23
      +3
      and Svidomo don’t give a damn about what to naughty about - they don’t pay for it. the main thing is to show how they fight, and for this business to shake out the money regularly with the EU and the USA. There is a grand robbery of Western taxpayers. They already robbed us. Now they are milking theirs.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 October 2022 10: 29
        +1
        Quote: Nexcom
        they don't pay for it

        oh, I’m not sure, mattresses without profit won’t even itch, it seems like a dream that the grain deal made its way through the West as a payment option for "help"
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 25 October 2022 10: 33
          +3
          so mattresses get kickbacks from money. they allocate money for weapons and other things to Svidomo, from this money they buy junk from their loved ones and supply it to Svidomo. at the same time, they are also investing in their military-industrial complex. brilliant scheme. they wrote the same - Zelya receives no more than a third of the allocated funds live. Of course, on the Krajina, too, a lot sticks to the hands. there is probably little that reaches the target addressee. the mattresses themselves screamed about corruption in the Krajina - they take them out of order.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 October 2022 10: 42
      -1
      SAM hawk by no means can effectively deal with drones


      This air defense system was modernized and received a new radar.

      These complexes have been withdrawn from service, but there are many of them in storage.

      So that he can create problems for both our aviation and our drones.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 25 October 2022 11: 22
        +1
        This air defense system was modernized and received a new radar.
        ... don’t be stupid, the hawk has two radars, one surveillance, another backlight, and the installation time is at the level of the 60s, and yes, only a moron would think of improving what is being stored ... draw conclusions
        1. Negro
          Negro 25 October 2022 12: 09
          -1
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          ... don't be stupid, the hawk has two radars, one is a surveillance, the other is a backlight

          PU Hawk can work in modern systems as an additional battery.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 25 October 2022 12: 12
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            it’s out of the question ... hawk works exclusively in PRLS mode
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 25 October 2022 10: 43
      0
      Why? He connects to the Sentinel (which the APU already has) and fights quite well.

      Do not confuse the Hawks of the 60s, which are not, with the Hoks PIP2 / 3 - which are quite a normal air defense system of the BUK-M1 level.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 25 October 2022 11: 24
        0
        Do not confuse the Hawks of the 60s, which are not, with the Hoks PIP2 / 3 - which are quite a normal air defense system of the BUK-M1 level.
        ... the beech has an undeniable advantage ... the beech is mobile and the time for its deployment is calculated in ten minutes, unlike a couple of hours for a hawk ... such a prada uterus
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 25 October 2022 11: 47
          0
          But in this case, we mean the frontiers of cover. The beech is harder to catch and hit, that's right.
  3. Kaufman
    Kaufman 25 October 2022 10: 20
    +2
    Failure of the air defense system? Then we would calmly control the sky. Another thing is that their air defense was not ready for mopeds, yes.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 25 October 2022 10: 25
      +1
      So, zamopedit them to the most unindulgent. Because they can't deal with them.
      1. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 25 October 2022 11: 03
        +1
        The darkness of "mopeds" .. will put a stream on the GIG in a series and start up in wild quantities .. quantities .. and rivet themselves and order Belarusians to both the Chinese and North Korea .. they will get tired of shooting down ..
        1. Negro
          Negro 25 October 2022 12: 12
          -1
          Quote: zombirusrev
          The darkness of "mopeds" .. will put a stream on the GIG in a series and let it go in wild quantities .. quantities ..

          What will you collect them from in wild quantities? No Shahid components were produced in the Russian Federation. No case, no engine, no electronics.
      2. Negro
        Negro 25 October 2022 12: 10
        -1
        Quote: Nexcom
        So zamopedit them to the most unindulgent

        Mopeds can only work on unprotected buildings. They can put pressure on the rear infrastructure, but it is impossible to fight them with air defense systems.
  4. Bingo
    Bingo 25 October 2022 10: 21
    +2
    The bad thing is that this complex, unlike the Patriots, was designed for war, and not for sale, and in a modernized version is in service with Japan, for example, and poses a considerable danger. No matter how bigger than the Patriots
  5. Nexcom
    Nexcom 25 October 2022 10: 21
    0
    Oh, and proud caballeros pulled up with supplies....
  6. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 25 October 2022 10: 27
    +1
    The Pentagon is considering the transfer of HAWK anti-aircraft systems to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Spain also promised delivery of the Hawk air defense system to Kyiv

    Yes, you, there, in Moscow, give at least something to the Mexicans in Texas and the Basques in Pamplona!
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 October 2022 10: 44
      0
      Yes, you, there, in Moscow, give at least something to the Mexicans in Texas and the Basques in Pamplona!


      What for? What do you think the Mexicans in Texas are howling with the USA?!

      No, Mexicans live in the USA and often have a US passport and are not going to fight for Texas.

      Enough kindergarten nonsense to carry on the net !!!
      1. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 25 October 2022 11: 04
        +1
        You should not think so ... the Mexicans have not forgotten that Mexico was twice as large ..
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 25 October 2022 10: 36
    0
    Well, then it's worth talking about "Improved HAWK" .... yes
  8. t-4
    t-4 25 October 2022 10: 40
    +8
    From a medium-range complex on a shahid moped?
    It looks like it's all about money, really. They will put the decommissioned HAWKs, and in the statement in the "Credit" column they will write down ... $ million, so that everything is presented at the final settlement.
    And how he will shoot and whether he will shoot at all - managers have never been interested.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 October 2022 10: 44
      +1
      Why not? Rocket Hawks is practically unlimited. Even the new Kshnykhs (who will also be taken by the KR) managed to file under 20k.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 October 2022 10: 41
    0
    The Pentagon is considering the transfer of HAWK anti-aircraft systems to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    The only thing I don’t understand is how Kyiv is going to integrate various air defense systems (its own, American, European) into a single air defense system? Or will they put it where they see fit and will act locally?
    1. Negro
      Negro 25 October 2022 11: 21
      +1
      This is their own junk, they are decommissioned or protected by individual nodes with the second number. And everything else is perfectly integrated, the bourgeois have been working with this for many years. In Greece, the Nasams fire control center is connected to the Patriot complex, which processes data from the most powerful Patriot radar and issues targets for the Hawk batteries. Iris launchers are combined with the NASAMS control center from birth, Norway purchases such a configuration for itself. At the same time, I didn’t see what specific control center was put together with Iris, but if, for example, Lockheed Martin, then he can at least shoot down satellites, at least give information to posts with Stingers. And by the way, each such control center, unlike the S-300, can receive data from satellites, AWACS and large NATO missile defense radars.

      I'll tell you more, suddenly they started talking that Israel is "ready to help" with a missile strike warning system. Theoretically, this could mean the supply of radars and information centers (they are also fire control centers), but without missile batteries.

      But rocket batteries can be bought separately. Not necessarily Israeli. Rafael electronics goes well with any NATO models, the same Polish-British Sky Sabers come with European missiles from MDBA, Israeli control centers and radars from anyone.
  10. IvanR
    IvanR 25 October 2022 10: 43
    0
    The complex is old, but it has been modernized many times, the latter have modifications according to performance characteristics, there is a possibility of hitting even ballistic missiles
  11. Negro
    Negro 25 October 2022 10: 43
    +2
    If the "Pentagon is considering" after all turns into supplies, then this is great news for Ukrainians. Unlike nasams irises, Hawk is an old mass system, stocks of rockets can be found in serious quantities and are much cheaper than irises with amraams. To protect against attacks by saturating air defense, a normal option.

    Even better, in Greece and Turkey, Hoki are connected to NASAMS fire control centers. That is, they can work together with the batteries of this complex from its brains and radars. By the way, Iris launchers can also operate under the control of NASAMS. That is, we can start talking about the construction of an integrated air defense, at least in some nodes.
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 October 2022 10: 51
    +1
    Our X-31s work well against Hawks.
  13. ZIF122
    ZIF122 25 October 2022 10: 52
    0
    Well, they seem to provide help and get rid of their outdated equipment!
  14. donavi49
    donavi49 25 October 2022 11: 00
    +4
    Here, of course, you can laugh about the 60s, but in fact, this is one of the first rational ideas in air defense deliveries. One or two batteries of Butterscotch or two batteries of Nasams can only be in one place at one time.

    There are a lot of Hawks, this time.
    Hoki were made for the war and the batteries are heavy there (2 autonomous platoons in each).
    Unlimited missiles.
    Active increase in supplies with the help of allies.
    A decent SD complex that can be pulled to the troops.
    Partially already mastered by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Sentinel radar).

    These are the current versions:
    4 double-platoon batteries but without Sentinel Hawk21 / Pip3 from Spain have already been promised.
    Greece, in the release of the BMP transmission, made a reservation about air defense - the Greeks have several Pip3 two-platoon batteries. Well, or Os. They simply do not have another air defense with an expiring date, which they would replace for free with a new one.

    Christina Lambrecht also said that Germany is considering all possible types of air defense for early delivery in addition to those already being prepared. Germany again has Hoki PIP2 / 3 (in storage since 2008). Well, Rolands (also in storage from 12 to 16).
    The United States is considering Hoki - again, the United States has their hectares.
  15. I dare to_notice_
    I dare to_notice_ 25 October 2022 12: 16
    0
    Those. for this ... neither the Pentagon nor Madrid will receive anything?
    Hmm ...
    And I still get minus for "good Russians".
  16. Illanatol
    Illanatol 26 October 2022 09: 26
    0
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    ..the Hawk battery has a deployment time approximately like that of the S-125, a couple of hours, turning on the overview for about 3 hours, .... and that's it, ... and as soon as the overview works, then the arrival will be in half an hour, and the time to collapse Hoha for about an hour and a half ... draw conclusions gentlemen


    But even if he releases his racket, will he cover the target? The missile defense system of the complex - does it meet modern requirements, primarily in terms of maneuverability? Air targets are somewhat different than half a century ago. And maneuvering characteristics are laid down at the design stage.
    Well, the minimum height of the defeat of 30 m is also not comme il faut. That KR, that attack helicopters can fly at lower altitudes. And given that Ukraine is not Iraq or Syria, there is no desert as flat as a table ... one can hardly count on the high efficiency of these air defense systems.
    Approximately, as the S-125 will have.
    Well, of course ... the disposal of obsolete equipment is planned and unprofitable. It's better to put this scrap metal in the next "help package", let the Russians dispose of it. That in the kit several hundred dill will turn into minced meat - and why should American officials and generals feel sorry for them?