The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 25 October 2012

On Sunday, Ukraine will elect a parliament. At first glance, to understand the Ukrainian scenario is extremely difficult. Lots of lots. They are all completely different. The result is a little predictable. In fact, everything is, in a sense, much simpler.

According to various polls of Ukrainian sociological services, which, it should be noted, almost all are extremely engaged, the ruling Party of Regions is leading. The united orange opposition lags behind somewhat. All the polls, one way or another, show a noticeable increase in Freedom - in effect the Nazi-Bandera party, popular in the western regions. However, the hit of the famous boxer Vitali Klitschko, which is predicted to be the place of the third force, if not the second, is certainly considered to be the hit of the current election.

Regionals in the future parliament may be blocked with the Communists, who will surely overcome the five percent barrier. Moderate Natsik from the united opposition are already blocked with the unlimited from "Freedom". Ukrainian voting is always a stalemate between East and West. In this stalemate, any supposedly “third force” receives a trump card in its hands. It is especially interesting if this is such a force.

The propaganda of the “Blow” is fully built on the distilled populism and image of the great boxer Klitschko, a tough fighter for all the good against all the bad things that bring order in Ukraine with one blow, tired of corruption, politicking and sluggish crisis.

Ukrainians are tired of the current government. And before that, they were so disappointed in the orange ones that even the martyrdom of Tymoshenko, who is in prison, is not at all for what was to blame, did not return them to their previous popularity. Both semi-official "old" coalitions for any polls are gaining a little more than 20 percent. That is, Ukraine, tired of both blue and orange, exhausted by the triumph of democracy, is ready to choose a concussion.

What it was - Ukraine will find out later. If he wants. In the case of a stalemate, Klichkovtsy, who are in themselves quite orange, will nevertheless open bargaining. They will trade by themselves. That is, at the same time, with the voices of the hit Ukrainians. The Ukrainian government is always a coalition of clans. In principle, the same.

Formatting these coalitions is a real bargaining! - will start after the election. And it is clear that being hit on the head in this bargaining is a very convenient resource.

Comments

[Cold]

Nacher Klitschko Serdyuchka had to unwind

[alexng]

Yes, what are you? Serduchka with a shot head after the scandalous Eurovision. And who to choose, hit or shot, it should only be the people of Ukraine.

[ariy_t]

Rather hit or broken .....

[Magadan]

100 points! Shot through the head in the sense that I thought?

[Goga]

Chill - A colleague, as they say - in every joke there is only a fraction of a joke - if this is something that goes into Ukrainian politics - few will be surprised - the circus is so circus.
It is a pity for the people - they really have to live in the country of "democracy that won them" ...

[Gavrilon]

Goga welcome! I completely agree.

The people are sorry !!! it’s just that out of all this clownery, the confrontation between the West and the East with armature (and God forbid the machine gun) in their hands would not pour out.

[Captain Vrungel]

Yes, we really live in a country of "victorious crap".
Pathos with elections, which practically for the people do not shine with any changes, when the same shit climbs into parliament, but under the flags of a new political force (Klitschko's "Blow". Pynzenyk, Hurwitz, etc., are glad and rulers, professional political prostitutes on the list). Again people are forced to vote not "FOR", but "AGAINST". Citizen Yanukovych is looking forward to "Svobodovtsev" in the Rada. All their unfulfilled promises to Russia and the people are attributed to "nationalists". Try, Do not give vykonaty.
Lies, hypocrisy, meanness, cynicism of parties and candidates, rolls over.
The people of Ukraine will feel these elections in their own skin. Again in zRada dovateli will sit down. The hryvnia will collapse, prices will jump. The budget for the 4th quarter is zero. Pension Fund Bankrupt. In February, payments to the IMF in the amount of two annual budgets.
How to save Ukraine? One way out, because everyone else is ineffective.
Declare war on Russia and immediately surrender. Only from outside is it possible to save the people of Ukraine from the shit in which we tumble for twenty years, from those who built a paradise for their beloved and climbed into the "celestials" of power. It is not possible to get rid of this by the forces of the people. Neither politically, nor legally, nor physically. They make us serfs, powerless HOWEVER.

[Gavrilon]

Gather a national referendum on joining Russia as a full autonomy, remain with the president’s own bodies, etc. current control will appear from Moscow and the infusion into the budget from the federals.

+ s 1. legal support of the Ukrainian economy
2. The introduction of a single currency
3. The unification of fraternal peoples. (It is high time already)
4. The crap west of the restoration of great Russia

[escapes]

Why are you sho they are independent, Moscow will rob them again, they won’t go to such a thing, they will cut each other faster, and Vova decided to see wait until they crawl on their knees)

[kristofer]

The Ukrainian married a Russian, before his wedding night, his father gives him instructions. - First, throw your wife heavily on the bed so that she knows that Ukraine is power! - Then abruptly rip off your clothes so that you know that Ukraine is a beauty. And the grandfather sits in a corner and listening says: - And then start dr ... so that she knows that Ukraine is independence.

[v53993]

Somehow more Russians married Ukrainians, which means that the joke is not life-like. From a lot of life experience.

[kostiknet]

Quote: Gavrilon

+ s 1. legal support of the Ukrainian economy
2. The introduction of a single currency
3. The unification of fraternal peoples. (It is high time already)
4. The crap west of the restoration of great Russia

5. and a great opportunity to dump your "shoals" on the "damned m0scals", which, as in the old days, oppress the GREAT UKRAINIAN PEOPLE
The Ukrainians should first DECIDE TO THE END - WHOM THEY ARE !! With Russia, which will take care of them fraternally, or with the "tsevilized world", which needs Ukraine, but the Ukrainian people do not need nafig. To begin with, hang up a couple of "democratic bloodsuckers", you see - having seen the "finale of a career", any g0vn0 will not climb into power

[ughhh]

And this is what I remember. I do not believe more Ukrainian brothers!

[Ljubomir]

Ukraine cannot be accepted as a republic. Recognition of Ukrainians as a separate nation eliminates the whole meaning of unification. Belarusians and Ukrainians should feel like one people with Russians. For a real unification and not joining, it is required to join the Krajina and Belarus in the regions on the rights of the Federal Districts and be called Rusichs.

[petro]

Calm down, no one will join anywhere, let alone enter, is not going to. Especially from one swamp to another swamp. Better yet, be careful not to join China and call you "new Chinese."

[Astartes]

but didn’t try to vote for the Communists ??

[Manager]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Yes, we really live in a country of "victorious crap".
Pathos with elections, which practically for the people do not shine with any changes, when the same shit climbs into parliament, but under the flags of a new political force (Klitschko's "Blow". Pynzenyk, Hurwitz, etc., are glad and rulers, professional political prostitutes on the list). Again people are forced to vote not "FOR", but "AGAINST". Citizen Yanukovych is looking forward to "Svobodovtsev" in the Rada. All their unfulfilled promises to Russia and the people are attributed to "nationalists". Try, Do not give vykonaty.
Lies, hypocrisy, meanness, cynicism of parties and candidates, rolls over.
The people of Ukraine will feel these elections in their own skin. Again in zRada dovateli will sit down. The hryvnia will collapse, prices will jump. The budget for the 4th quarter is zero. Pension Fund Bankrupt. In February, payments to the IMF in the amount of two annual budgets.
How to save Ukraine? One way out, because everyone else is ineffective.
Declare war on Russia and immediately surrender. Only from outside is it possible to save the people of Ukraine from the shit in which we tumble for twenty years, from those who built a paradise for their beloved and climbed into the "celestials" of power. It is not possible to get rid of this by the forces of the people. Neither politically, nor legally, nor physically. They make us serfs, powerless HOWEVER.

We all understand that. In Russia, everything is the same, but with not many exceptions. Recently, at least something for the people began to do. And in our politics, too, there are some celestials, actors, boxers, etc.

[dimanf]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Serfs, powerlessness make us HOWEVER.

and after the election, laws on slander and rallies will be quickly adopted.
to completely close your mouth.

[Captain Vrungel]

So already there were attempts and assaults. But before the elections they were recalled. If these remain in power, then not only will they close their mouths, they will be forced to breathe "over the counter."

[Manager]

Quote: Gogh

if Danilko gives in to Ukrainian politics - few will be surprised - the circus is so circus.

Good morning, Goga!
What is better with us? Valuev is a deputy, a girl in a "university" who was also filming a deputy. Compared to them, Zhirinovsky and that strong, well-thought-out politician!
Democracy is like flies. Where there is a smell there and flies. Therefore, cleaning should be done regularly!

[Joker]

Some kind of idiocy, do you have elections there every day? The Nazis, boxers, though Serdyuchka is not enough there, they’re still climbing somewhere in the EU, you look at all this and the Ukrainians’ brothers feel sorry for us, it’s so worse for us once in 10 (((

[Gavrilon]

Quote: Joker

we have it so 10 times worse (((

Don’t tell me !!! The Nazis in power so far seem like the budget is not visible either, it seems like it is not empty, and the PFR does not go bankrupt.

[Vadivak]

Quote: d

They will trade themselves.

Are you a desperate person Mikhail Leontyev, but what can you say in Klitschko’s face? Aren't you afraid that your head will fly off?

But he made friends with Serdyukov - the material of Mikhail Leontyev about military reform: and a summary - Military reform is necessary

[Astartes]

Leontiev is friends with Valuev, Klitschko will nervously smoke in the toilet))

[novik225]

about Valuev, I doubt a little ... But we have a deputy of the State Duma Karelin - there are no doubts here.
So, we have someone to meet at a high level with the leader of the Udar party. Or you can urgently call Emelianenko into politics. Create a "throw over the hip followed by a choke" game.

[them]

And I heard that at the time of Tyson's heyday, simple guys from Siberia offered him to stretch, without rules, in a patsansky style. I didn’t answer ... But they really could pave.

[Lord of the Sith]

Here is an interesting reference. There, watch the video necessarily http://inpherno.livejournal.com/175169.html

[SSR]

Quote: Sith Lord

http://inpherno.livejournal.com/175169.html

This is Zhost ((((
Guys .. sincerely sympathize .... this is what you need to be a corrupt scum ..
and these .. position themselves as "patriots" of Ukraine ...
PS,
we seem to be at least a bit late but took on these Udals.

[Lord of the Sith]

Ours took two days later))) The video appeared that later the video with Udaltsov

[lotus04]

Quote: Cold

Nacher Klitschko Serdyuchka had to unwind

What the hell is the difference! Both of them have "slightly disturbed" orientation. Such people in the west are now loved-doves. And what citizenship does Klitschko have? And his children? Again the "puppeteers" run the show.

[sergo0000]

A few of them are storming or something. And so many years since they have been swimming after a good Nogdaun. People are sorry, all the brains of them were carried out by their politicians!

[Ascetic]

Quote: sergo0000

A few of them are storming or something. And so many years since they have been swimming after a good Nogdaun. People are sorry, all the brains of them were carried out by their politicians!

"How many rakes do not teach us, but the heart believes in miracles."


The current campaign has become a real battle. This is not about the loads during the election tours, although Klitschko assures that only people with his physical training will be able to withstand them. It's about reprisals against competitors.

The situation in the district resembles a military theater of the absurd. The security forces of one candidate with bits chasing the mobile groups of the other, which paste black PR. People are looking at this whole merry-go-round, sending obscenities to both,

- describes what is happening journalist and majority candidate Vladimir Aryev.
For the first time, bribery of voters is not veiled, by food rations, but forehead: people are given money on behalf of candidates. For one - at $ 30. For another - $ 40. Pensioners were satisfied with this mass process, until they began to call from the tax, offering to pay for the profits
the symbols of the current election were not deputies, but a pensioner and her cat, depicted on posters with the signature: "I found out how my grandson voted and rewrote the hut to the cat." The movement "For the cat!" became popular. Posters, where the avenger cat enrolls in the rebels, scribbles from a machine gun and walks to the polls, covered cities and even villages
During the whole campaign there was only one moment that united the country - the victory of Donetsk “Shakhtar” Akhmetov against “Chelsea” Abramovich. “Although they are from Donbass, we are proud of them,” they say now in Western Ukraine, which traditionally argues with the East.

All this somehow vividly reminds me of our mid-90s election.
But nevertheless, the most interesting thing will happen the very next day after the vote, when the whole country, clinging to the screens, will wait for a reaction from Brussels and Washington to the vote count. Because at that very moment the fate of the Ukrainian “Magnitsky list”, sanctions against officials and the ban on entry for politicians will be decided.
And the fate of the next IMF loan, too.

[Genry]

And why are you here quoting Ariev. This journalist deputy has long been "famous" for his orange bullshit.

[Ascetic]

[quote = Genry] Why are you quoting Ariev here. This journalist deputy has long been "famous" for his orange bullshit.
[/ Quote]

You do not be offended by the dope in power in Russia has always been in abundance since the days of Gogol and Saltykov-Shchedrin.
Here is what he said for example V. Gruzdev, Governor of the Tula Region
[quote] “Tula region is rich in strong people. As they say, the Cossacks (as they called workers in state-owned weapons factories in the XNUMXth century) are state people, reliable. Flea we are the flea we forge ”[/ quote].

You strike even stronger flea
And you will be a noble flea.
Kazyuk without these fleas and day
Will not be able to live ... without forging!

Now the Tulaks will take offense at me.

[petro]

And you see the blue and white "bullshit" like it.

[Goga]

Ascetic - I greet Stanislav, full "+" - especially about the "rake", and of course about the cat ... And here is a quote - "All this somehow vividly reminds me of our elections in the mid-90s." - I don't know, I remember well the 93rd - the election of the regional governor with the cancellation of the result and the 96th - the election of the president with a box from under the Copier and the drain of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - somehow we had all this very gloomy - no time for posters with cats ... maybe it's from the outside that the Ukrainian elections cause a little smile, but the people of Ukraine themselves have no time for humor - to hang out for so many years in the 90s is not to be envied ...

[vorobey]

My mother-in-law came to visit from Ukraine. Well, under the gorilochka and says. As the clowning was, it remained. Regions are leading, but there is no one to vote for. She talked about Julia - she’s also a clowness. He says how Ukraine got into a puddle with its independence and still cannot get out. It’s like on a ship when 4 skippers and 3 pilots rule.

[Ascetic]

My in Dnepropetrovsk are going to vote for PR. They say I'm tired of everything. If only it were not worse.

[Captain Vrungel]

If you are satisfied with the retirement plan with retirement five years after the average life expectancy, if you can find a job after fifty, and not become a consumer from alfater, if there is a roofed business, and not crushed by the tax code, if there are land plots ready for adoption the law on its sale, if as part of an organized crime group from that region, if they want to become powerless serfs according to the proposed Labor Code, for 12 hours, without days off and vacations at the discretion of the employer (slave owner), if you like that the criminals are not running according to the law, but "by -concepts ".
But any enemy of my enemy must become a friend in order to overthrow this bandit power, headed by twice not convicted and three times under investigation "godfather." Maybe they will start doing something "fresh" for the people. to stay in power. These people have long been abandoned how "kazlovs are bridging them to live" and "biological mass" existing for their prosperity and enrichment.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

And then the worse is no longer where. Maybe they will start doing something "fresh" for the people. to stay in power. These people have long been dying of how "kazlov bothering them to live" and "biological mass" existing for their prosperity and enrichment

In Ukraine, over the course of 20 years, EIGHTY GOVERNMENTAL COMPOSITIONS (not the prime ministers but the full composition) has been replaced. In Honduras, for comparison, the whole is THIRTEEN. The national debt of Ukraine rose to 62bn. Dolary. Any government will again have to seek loans to fulfill social obligations, especially since Ukraine does not have a printing press, unlike the United States. Behind all parties are oligarchic clans, each of which pulls a blanket over himself. So it was in Russia during the seven-bankers' period, while Putin, after landing Khodor, didn’t alienate almost everyone from the real influence on the authorities. In order to maintain power, Putin is FORCED to go on to strengthen the defense and do something for the people, because he has nowhere to retreat in any other scenario, threatening the fate of Gaddafi or Saddam at least. And in Ukraine, nothing threatens all the oligarchs, so they are more interested in further plundering the country, only the governments will once again replace the people, promise the next sweet life and run around in the theater of the absurd again.
As for me, I would vote against everyone or for the communists (although they are probably also the oligarchs). Maybe they will do it for "fresh". But who will give them?
The whole difference between us is that we kind of saw the light at the end of the anus (despite the efforts of liberals trying to push us deeper there). And you still wander somewhere in the region of the rectum and lumen, alas, is not yet visible. So it's time for you to come to us in the TS and EurAsEC together it is easier to get out of the anus.

[dimanf]

if it weren’t for oil, we would be in no less jo!
s have less money for theft.
and they know how to steal no less than ours.
Ukrainian officials and oligarchs don’t want to unite.
since our thieves will crush them.

[vorobey]

Cap, good day. I carefully try to comment on topics about politics in Ukraine. Pass on the words of the mother-in-law of a pensioner whose pension is by our standards 4000 re it does not express an opinion.

I was more struck by the integrity of Van Dam in these matters in support of the regions.

[Captain Vrungel]

<Business, however, you believe that the far from apolitical Van Dam is aware of the intricacies of dirty political scams in Ukraine. The one who pays well is played. Our outspoken bandit Markov did not pay badly to the "expert" Wasserman, director Bondarchuk (Markov's best friend, who does not even remember his friend's last name, called him Markin). Now, somewhere hid. I climbed to the church in Moscow. They blessed and gave the order (not free, however.)
In our decaying world, the more money, the higher "adherence to principles".
Try to become principled without a penny in your pocket. Crushed, humiliated, wiped out and thrown out. And we see this every day. The grandmother who stole a pie from hunger in the neighborhood is dragged, the major knocked down several people to death, the state. a thief who stole millions, driving and free. The "integrity" of the servants of the law, however. Capital rules the world. Whoever has money has power. Whoever has power has law and right. Everyone else has a duty and responsibility. Democracy, however.

[Ljubomir]

a pensioner who, by our standards, has a pension of 4000 re is not able to express her opinion.
In the Vladimir region and 2700 are not uncommon.

[WW3]

The main thing is that the Nazis from "Svoboda" do not come to power in Ukraine, as for Klitschko, it would be better if he was in the ring than in politics ... it's bad when athletes, singers, artists come to power ... everyone should mind their own business .. ..

[PatriotizTAT]

By the way, maybe someone does not know, but Klitschko opposed the Russian language! So he went "IN THE RING"

[Recon]

it can be a simple cheap campaign. however, I support regarding sending +))

[WW3]

“I am sure that the official language is German in Germany and French in France. It is an identity. The state language should be one. Anyone communicates in any language and understands one another. But, if we want to unite the whole country, the state language should be one. Point, ”said Klitschko.
=======================================
Maybe he meant one (state - Russian) tongue a joke of course, but it would be nice .....

[Shuriken]

Why didn’t he remember Switzerland? Canada? India? Apparently, in Germany and France the geography in my head was over ...

[King]

Whatever the case, but the West will throw great strength so that those who somehow try to look in the direction of Russia do not win. and Klitschko, he’s also an orange, we recall the Maidan in the forefront stood with his brother. and right now it’s just put forward like separately so that the electorate is taken from the blue, as they say, that dick is only in the other hand. Ukrainians, Slovenian brothers hold on.

[AIR ZNAK]

And the orange theme: tear Ukraine into 2 or more parts. From this and all their actions. And payment for these actions, it is clear where it came from.

[neodymium]

Ukraine must be united, independent as part of Russia!

[Oleg14774]

Russia will only be glad if Ukraine "declares" war and "surrenders". Together (or better in three with Belarus) it is easier to survive and live better! And there are so many Russians in Ukraine and Ukrainians in Russia!

[omsbon]

But why did a lot of political clowns divorce in Russia and Ukraine, singers and singers, revolutionaries and larvas from the so-called high society, athletes and artists of series, etc., and what is interesting, they all climb to teach us how to live and what to do.

[Goga]

omsbon - Colleague, sadly, but the old adage - "every people deserves its government" - fully applies to us, that to Ukraine - from here and "Allochka Pipets" in the State Duma deputies and a scuffler with a broken skull at the head of polit -party - what WE are and the rulers on our head.

[omsbon]

Dear Igor!
Unfortunately this is so, but I do not want to put up with it!

[dimanf]

Every day on this site you are gray about fishing.

and not a word about Putin’s mistakes and wrecking.

[starpom]

Quote: dimanf

Every day on this site you are gray about fishing.

Looking at your (maybe yours) avatar, I want to ask, what is your attitude to the elections in Sevastopol?

[dimanf]

Quote: starpom

Looking at your (maybe yours) avatar, I want to ask, what is your attitude to the elections in Sevastopol?

in SEVASTOPOL as elsewhere.
take a "sore" topic. (in Sevastopol it is the Russian language and everything connected with Russia) and they are beginning to promise mountains of gold.
As well as sore topics - pensions, corruption, utilities, etc.
But there is no choice. As in Russia. Or for the party of regions (analogous to EP) led by Yanukovosch or for the remnants of the supporters of Pimply and a lady with a scythe.
And for dessert, there is a boxer with a broken head or languidly depicting joy for the people, the Communists.

But the radical difference from Russia is that parties, depending on the region of Ukraine, promise polar opposite things.

[plotnikov561956]

It is an empty matter to discuss the situation in Ukraine. The circus did not leave and the clowns were in place.

[taseka]

Simply, a good boxer Klitschko, talked too much with his managers and they advised him to go to a higher level of earning (stealing) pennies !!!! Here is a mustache !!!

[The centurion]

Citations: “Ukrainian voting is always a stalemate between East and West.
Ukraine, tired of both blue and orange, exhausted by the triumph of democracy, is ready to choose a concussion.
And it’s clear that those hit on the head in this auction are a very convenient resource. ”
And indeed, many were embroiled in perestroika. A concussion is a severe trauma; they leave it for years, decades. I am happy to watch people around me in Russia, many have moved away from shell shock, that is, from the once adored pseudo-ideals of perestroika. The trouble with Ukraine and Ukrainians is that they were shell-shocked long before perestroika, and this shell-shock is permanent and impassable. In 90, I was on a business trip for quite some time, and not in any Western woman, but in Debaltseve. It is in the east of Ukraine, almost on the Russian border, and personally witnessed how they prepared for the independence. Simple hard workers and engineers from the repair plant, most of them with Russian surnames, but with a cold-hearted soul. What I just didn’t hear enough from them: we ate them, and we do not give development, and we do not give resources, in general, enslaved culturally, ideologically and economically. Now, if they are independent, they will rush into the future by leaps and bounds and prosperity is guaranteed to them. And only a few doubted it. From morning till night, discussions took place on the television box between the great-speaking long-necked kobzars in embroidered shirts and the unconvincing bespectacled ones who doubted. The bespectacled women mumbled that without Russia they would have no resources and industry would die. And the kobzars interrupted them at a glance and spoke. Be silent mos-kal. You do not know the latest achievements of Ukrainian geological science. We have discovered countless deposits of gas, oil, ores, and the provinces where all this is listed are listed. And the damned Mos-Kali does not allow them to be developed, because they keep Ukraine in a black body. But when the kobzar declared that a kimberlite pipe was discovered in the Poltava province, I began to laugh and realized that he had misinterpreted. But what was my surprise when in the morning at the plant in KB I saw that no one was working, and they were discussing this nonsense, including about the kimberlite pipe. That's when I realized that they were shell-shocked and incurable, and their whole bad story is the rule. And Pereyaslavskaya Rada and B. Khmelnitsky are an exception. After that I was again and again in Ukraine. Frankly speaking, changes in souls are essentially small. The emphasis has changed, but still we are to blame for everything, that is, mos-kali. Only now, because they were thrown, we do not help, do not contain and do not give free gas. If it is possible to revive the Union in some form, in no case should there be hohlov. They will certainly have Mazepa, Kravchuk-cha, etc. figures. The eternal Maidan people and busoters, they very successfully, stealthily and hypocritically, in the past destroyed the Khazar Khanate, Kievan Rus, the Golden Horde, the Commonwealth, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union. And the new union will also fall apart. Let it be better the European Union. Flag in their hands and drum on the belly.

[kostiknet]

funny photo it’s just not very clear who the victim of the famine is? who rewards whom (and for what)?

[petro]

You wouldn’t touch the victims of the famine, would not mock those who are not in this world. And you will have to answer for blasphemy, if not in this world, then there ...

[atos_kin]

Need to vote for the CPSU (b)!

[VadimSt]

Unfortunately, fundamental changes in Ukrainian politics and the life of the people are possible only through a revolution of the masses. Whatever power (blue or orange) is at the helm, it is initially anti-people and is designed to protect its interests. Any color power needs an ideological split of the masses, because only in this case the well-known postulate works - divide and rule. Therefore, by both, the split of society into the west and east, parishioners of the UOC and ROC, etc. always beneficial. The main question is: - "When will the main masses understand this, when will they stop meekly believing in the nonsense preached by nationalists and ideologists of infringement of the Russian-speaking population?"
Of the strength of 5,% of the population to one degree or another actively participate in political life and have their own mercantile interests, the rest either remain silent (all to no avail), or meekly agree with the preachers from the government or the opposition.

Captain Vrungel +, as they say, we have what we have!

[Magadan]

And I just wish Ukraine worthy rulers. And still I just can’t understand where this infa comes from about how everything is bad there? Here one of these days one of our members of the forum posted the prices and salaries of Ukraine, I counted everything and it turned out that we have life in Ukraine. Only Ukraine does not have free oil and gas.

[vladimir64ss]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine on the removal of Razvozzhaev: he was seized by foreign security officials. But there will be no case of the kidnapping "" "All the same, there is hope that our" siloviki "are more friendly than they seem. And this gives hope.

[georg737577]

Unification is possible only if any state power in Ukraine falls, regardless of "color", which will certainly happen for reasons of an internal nature, most likely - economic. The patient must be allowed to die, and by artificially maintaining and imitating vital functions, you can get only a mindless disoriented zombie, which is what the Ukrainian state machine is today. And no elections will change anything, the point of no return has long been passed ...

[ikrut]

Perhaps, georg, I agree with you. There is no adequate political elite in this territory and is not expected. And the electorate corresponds in many respects. A striking example of this is the "party" of this boxer Klitschko. Well, no laugh? What arguments can a person have in his head to vote in his favor?
To paraphrase the classic a little: "And there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and the tunnel does not end in any way, stsuko." Loyal territories must be annexed exactly as territories. Forming the provinces within the federation. The rest (Galicia, etc.) - let anyone take it away. This is a time bomb. here it is better to wait until it explodes. Then remove the garbage and put things in order.

[Egoza]

Elections are really a tough question. But to imagine the fullness of the vileness of the opposition parties, I propose to read - the guys worked risky, but it was worth it.

How much does a revolution in Ukraine cost?
http://versii.com.ua/news/265695/

It is more difficult with the majority. Someone changed the windows in a rural school - "Oh! Benefactor! For him!" Yes, with our niche - and that's great! And the fact that the same person bungled an agricultural firm on the lands that had been bought up from the villagers at a low price, and is already considered a millionaire, the people no longer see, and do not remember how they complained about him when he gave them half instead of the promised payment. In general, there is again a wild stratification between the village and the city. Again, the concept of "Master" is the same fist that exploits you! "Well, this is the time!" But here is a person who really sees problems, and serious ones, which later can again hit hard on the life of the village and not only him. "He, of course, is good, only the head of the village council is against it!" Well, hello! And all the same, the votes for the Communist Party will be significantly higher compared to the previous elections. And it pleases.

[v53993]

History repeats itself today in the form of farce. Alas, this is a classic.

[petro]

"And yet there will be much more votes for the Communist Party than in the previous elections. And this is good news." ------ what you are happy about, d..a. You are not 17 years old and its consequences. we can't get out.

[Cat]

As for me, the problem of Ukraine is that among the whole variety of our parties there are, in fact, pro-Ukrainian parties. Regions can be called such a stretch in the sense that they are trying to more or less make friends with both the West and Russia. True, this is done mainly for the sake of their own business interests, but sometimes something falls into the hands of the people, albeit by little things.
The rest are still sadder ...
Nationalists and patriots of all stripes - they can be called so conditionally. Because they are more "for Ukraine" - unambiguously "against Russia." Do not care with whom and do not care under whom, just to spite the "damned Muscovy", but what it will cost Ukraine itself is the tenth thing. A striking example is Yushchenko, a patriotic patriot. The oil-bearing shelf of Romania ceded to a NATO member, in which Yu.A. intensely bursting on the subject of "protection from the Russians will take away Crimea." In general, he saved Ukraine from invaders :)
The other extreme is the Communists and others like them, advocating for the restoration of the USSR in one form or another. Like, we will join with Moscow - and immediately heal like cheese in oil, with cheap gas and other goodies. No sane programs and projects are mentioned, the whole calculation is on Big Brother. It is as if Russia has no other problems than to make the Ukrainian people happy and rich overnight.
And for some reason no one mentions that Ukraine is not the poorest country, with not the most stupid people. And if you wish, you can buy gas at 500, and normal salary-pensions - without any IMF loans. That's just for this you need to work a lot and hard. And steal less. And we will succeed. But ... not a single party with such slogans is going to the polls. It is much easier to promise everything at once, provided by a kind western uncle. Or - blaming another uncle for all the troubles. Or something else like that. But to promise hardships and hardships in exchange for a brighter future - such a party will not win elections in life, even if these promises are sincere, with a well-developed program and economic calculations. And no one will give money for the election campaign of such a party - neither foreign uncles, nor local oligarchs. For which oligarch needs power, in which it is impossible to cut the budget, and you have to honestly pay taxes? =)
Here is such, from the point of view of a simple Ukrainian. unhappy alignment. And that is precisely why, as the First President used to say - "maєmo, te scho maєmo"

[ikrut]

Bohdan Khmelnytsky was a "pro-Ukrainian" sprinkler, who perfectly understood the perspective of these territories. A state-forming nation is determined not only by will. Such "wanting" ethnic groups are a dime a dozen. There are many fewer states. There has never been an independent state "Ukraine" in these territories. With what such joy should it suddenly appear? Because of the "referendum" of that Wednesday? Hardly. Other people have come here that they are capable of becoming a state-forming backbone with their own ideas, values ​​and character traits? Also no. Even within the population, there will be at least five about the future of these territories :))) And each defends his vision before the fight. And the political elite has nowhere to come from. There are simply no such roots, no grounds, no traditions even. This is not a viable project. Temporary. IMHO.

[NEMO]

Quote: Cat

After all, Ukraine is not the poorest country, with not the most stupid people.

Quote: Cat

And that’s why, as the First President used to say, "maєmo, te scho maєmo"

I absolutely agree with your comment! Especially with the conclusion!

[escobar]

You shouldn’t be so happy for us. Everything is fine with us. And Euro2012 was worthy and with a budget, we’ll have all the rules and our gas will be there by the year 15.

[Alex_dnepr]

I am sure that now all the elections in Ukraine will be held normally and that no orange elections will ever come to power.
In 2004, through foreign political mechanisms, deception, falsifications and fairy tales, 51% of our fellow citizens were deceived.
So I think that now people have developed a vaccine, so to speak, from orange tales and obitsyanka and for the second time no sane people will be led to this (and other) divorces.
Well, I hope of course that in the near future all Slavic peoples and friendly countries will become even more united and closer!

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: Alex_dnepr

Well, I hope of course that in the near future all Slavic peoples and friendly countries will become even more united and closer

With all due respect, your position. I note that the rapprochement is going on between the two states. Regarding Ukraine, I will say that it will drift for a long time towards NATO. As long as the people do not get tired of this. The 2012 elections will be repeated by analogy of 2008 and the whole story ...

[escobar]

Nato’s question is a referendum question. So Nato has no chance in Ukraine.

[Cat]

Quote: ikrut

Bohdan Khmelnitsky was a "pro-Ukrainian"

Yeah ... darted between Russia, Turkey, and Poland, on the subject - to whom to sell.
Read the full biography of this Bogdan at your leisure. Not the conclusions and comments of any "candidates for historians", namely the biography itself. The most interesting thing.

Quote: ikrut

A state-forming nation is determined not only by will. Such "wanting" ethnic groups are a dime a dozen. There are many fewer states. There has never been an independent state "Ukraine" in these territories. With what such joy should it suddenly appear?

Tell us about the nation-forming nation - the residents of the United States. Or Belgium. Yes, even the same Switzerland. Then write where they sent you =)

It's not about that was once. It is about what we have at the moment.
And at the moment, even the most ardent patriots do not presume to say that we have a single monolithic nation. We have enough Ukrainians, and Russians, and Belarusians, and Poles, and Jews, and Tatars, and hell who else. And all these nations, due to well-known historical reasons, turned out to be residents of one country. Which name is Ukraine.
And it would be nice to see this rich Ukraine prosperous. Because, in that case, we too would have prospered, regardless of what it says in the fifth column.

And to argue how you are right here - whose family was ancient, the field is wider and belly thicker - that's exactly what we have been doing for 21 years already. You can see the result yourself, just looking out the window ...