The greatest battle in the world ... that everyone has forgotten

The greatest battle in the world ... that everyone has forgottenIn the spring of 1399, in a few weeks Kiev, exhausted by horde raids, turned into a huge, many thousands and multilingual camp. Inspired by the victory of the Russians on the Kulikovo Field, military squads from all Eastern and Central Europe converged here.

Iron battens gleamed in the sun, one could hear the neighing of huge horse herds that quenched their thirst off the shores of Slavutych; the warriors sharpened their swords.

Even the Crusaders came, and the Kievans were surprised to see the outlandish armor of the knights, who had never gone so far into the Slavic lands before.
A few months later a terrible tragedy occurred ...

.... Only one small detachment of horse warriors escaped death after a terrible battle camp. They fled, and “Tatars, following them, are chasing, secting five hundred versts, pouring blood, like water, to the city of Kiev”.

So Nikon's chronicle mentions about the fierce battle that took place on the bank of the quiet Ukrainian Vorskla River more than 600 years ago, 12 August 1399 of the year. Details of the battle covered with the darkness of the centuries, almost all the ancient Russian warriors fell on the battlefield. This battle is not mentioned in school textbooks, the exact place where it took place is unknown.

One can only guess about the number of its participants. The great Lithuanian prince Vitovt, who led the general squads of the Slavs, Lithuanians and Crusaders, the one who commanded the combined army in the famous Battle of Grunwald, led the force, “the great zelo”; there were only fifty princes with him.

But in fact, in the famous Kulikovo Battle (1380 year), all the 12 princes with fighting squads took part! The famous Polish historian P. Boravsky claims that the battle on Vorskla was the largest in the fourteenth century! Why is so little known about this grandiose event?

First of all, there are practically no eyewitnesses, since everyone died in this fierce Sich (as the Ipatiev Chronicle claims). And secondly, it was a defeat - a terrible, bloody! We didn’t like to write about such people ... Bit by bit from the Russian chronicles and the works of Polish historians, we’ll try to figure out what happened after all in the hot summer of 1399? ..

Six hundred years ago, Kiev was a small city that was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. A few residents engaged in the usual craft and trade in the once mighty capital of Russia, just beginning to recover from the Tatar-Mongol raids. Life was warming mainly in Podol and in the Pechersk Lavra region. But in the spring of 1399, as we already know, the city was transformed.

It heard the speech of the Slavs and Germans, Lithuanians, Poles, Hungarians ... Troops from many European states and principalities gathered here. A huge army, consisting mainly of Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian regiments, marched from Kiev on May 18.

It was headed by the princes Andrei Olgerdovich Polotsky, Dmitry Olgerdovich Bryansky, Ivan Borisovich Kievsky, Gleb Svyatoslavovich Smolensky, Dmitry Danilovich Ostrogsky and many other princes and governors. The Commander-in-Chief was the Grand Duke of Lithuania Vitovt.

Next to it (fanciful bends stories!) there was the same Khan Tokhtamysh, who united the Horde for some time, managed to burn down Moscow, but soon he himself was thrown off the Khan's throne by formidable Edigey. With the help of Vitovt, Tokhtamysh intended to regain the khan's throne and also led a squad with him.

On the side of Vitovt, there were about a hundred heavily armed knights-crusaders who came from Poland and German lands. With each crusader went several squires, armed no worse than knights. But most of the soldiers were Slavs, gathered from almost all corners of Russia. In general, Slavic lands occupied 90 percent of the entire territory of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was often called Lithuanian Rus.

The Slavic squads, remembering the glorious victory on the Kulikovo Field, expected once and for all to put an end to the Tatar-Mongol yoke. The army was armed even with artillery, which appeared not so long ago in Europe. The guns were quite impressive, although they fired mainly stone cores. Thus, six hundred years ago, the roar of guns was heard for the first time on the territory of Ukraine ...

On August 8, the combined forces met on Vorskla with the army of Timur-Kutluk, commander of the Golden Horde khan Edigei. Self-confident Vitovt put an ultimatum demanding submission. "Conquer yourself also to me ... and give me every summer a tribute and a tribute." Ordyntsy, waiting for the approach of the allies - the Crimean Tatars, themselves put forward such a requirement.

12 August battle began. The army of Vitovt crossed Vorskla and attacked the Tatar army. At first, success was on the side of the combined troops, but then the cavalry Timur-Kutluk managed to close the encirclement, and then it began ... In a close hand-to-hand battle, artillery turned out to be impotent. Most of the princes and boyars died, "the very Vitovt running in the mala ..."

The heavily armed Crusaders also fell, not resisting the Tatar sabers. In pursuit of a small detachment of the miraculously rescued Vitovt and ruining everything in their path, the Tatars quickly approached Kiev. The city endured the siege, but was forced to pay "a payback of 3000 rubles in Lithuanian and more 30 rubles from the Pechersky Monastery." For those times it was a huge amount.

So, it was not possible to get rid of the Tatar yoke in that age. The defeat seriously affected the statehood of Lithuanian Rus; Soon, the weakened Vitovt had to recognize its vassal dependence on Poland. After the Battle of Grunwald (in which, by the way, 13 Russian regiments from Galich, Przemyshl, Lviv, Kiev, Novgorod-Seversky, Lutsk, Kremenets) participated, his position somewhat improved; he even wanted to be king, but he could not counteract the influence of the Polish king Jagiel. Vitovt died in the 1430 year, and the Poles moved to Russia ... And if the outcome of the battle at Vorskla was different? ..

Sadly ended this battle. Not a single monument, not one obelisk on the glorious Poltava land reminds of it ... military historians tie the battle on Vorskla to the Lithuanian-Polish campaigns, but the main body of the army was Russian. "Fifty Slavic princes from the squad"!

Their death was shattered by all subsequent generations of descendants of the legendary Rurik. After a few decades, neither the princes of Ostrog, Galician, Kiev, nor Novgorod-Seversky became. Numerous descendants of Vladimir the Holy, Yaroslav the Wise, as if dissolved, disappeared on our land ...

Cold-blooded Swedes do not forget their soldiers who were killed near Poltava - and the monument stands, and flowers are brought every year. The British, having fallen under the deadly fire of Russian artillery and having suffered a bloody defeat in the 1855 goal near Balaclava, often come to visit the graves of their ancestors who fell in the distant Crimea. A magnificent white monument to English soldiers towers in the very center of the grape field.

Workers wine farm periodically tint it, and the tractor carefully bends around during the spring plowing. Nearby, on the highway - an obelisk, opened in 1995 year. But after all, Poltava is located at a distance of one and a half thousand kilometers from Sweden, Balaklava - and further from England. And here, very close, in the Poltava region lie in the ground the remains of our compatriots, and there is not a single memorial sign, not a single cross where, presumably, more than a hundred thousand soldiers died!

There is something to think about and why we, the descendants, will be ashamed ...
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  1. great465
    26 May 2011
    As for compatriots, the Moscow army was not there. And the princes too. Regarding the Slavic essence of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, it, no doubt, had more reasons to be called a Slavic country than the Principality of Moscow. As for the yoke, it was eliminated on the territory of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which included the lands of modern Ukraine and Belarus back in 1326 after the Battle of Blue Waters, where the horde suffered no less terrible defeat than Vitovt in Vorskla. Moreover, the Battle of Vorskla was not a disaster, after which a peace treaty was concluded by which the parties swore eternal love and remained with their interests. Information about the existence of the yoke in Russia at that time is not true.
    1. svvaulsh
      July 20 2011
      As for compatriots, the Moscow army was not there. - BECAUSE AND BROKEN
      1. +11
        October 17 2016
        My opinion is that the Russian Horde once again piled on the Western colonialists, but we had to come up with it, obey them, scratching it like Obama from the TV screen.
      2. 0
        December 14 2016
        Edige was a Nogai military leader, not a Tatar ...
    2. evgenii
      27 September 2014
      see the results, see the results, not episodes ... if, for example, the Konotop battle is compared by that political propaganda, and not by its real significance, then "Ukraine" would have already been from Lvov to Vladivostok ...
    3. +1
      October 19 2016
      Only not 1326, but 1362. The feature is that Olgerd was an ally of Mamai and defeated three Tatar temniks who rebelled against Mamai in the Blue Waters!
    4. +6
      October 22 2016
      I wonder why the Slavs of the Principality of Lithuania are more Slavs than the Slavs of the Principality of Moscow, or Asians live east of Kiev¿
      1. +1
        19 September 2017
        Polish stupidity and Russophobia ....
        We read "by fire and sword" there is not a single Pole except Volodyevsky ...... there is no such people "Pole
    5. +2
      October 22 2016
      It is interesting, but why are the Slavs more Slavs in the Principality of Lithuania than in Moscow ?, or only Asians lived east of Kiev?
    6. 0
      26 2017 June
      And another 100 thousand sailed away from where (and whether there were), and 50 princes are almost always worse than 12. Plus, excessive self-confidence, possibly dictated by the army ready to fall apart before the battle. Plus artillery, to which the Mongols were better than the princes. Plus an absolutely idiotic ultimatum. Plus, frankly shitty command - throwing foot soldiers into the cavalry, and even after the crossing. The result - an oldish tactic against the lack thereof,
    7. 0
      July 19 2017
      Now the situation is repeating, there are also many crusaders there now! Here are just no battery on them. Although, the DNI and the LC in their current press gives an equal sign!
      1. 0
        19 September 2017
        The then "Tatars = non-current" refugee migrants "they will move the degenerates of Europeans and Poles and will resemble
    8. 0
      27 September 2017
      The scale of the battle is monstrously exaggerated (logistics of 100000 people and horses !! in the 14th century); this is the beginning of the end of Lithuania, as a state-destiny to be divided between Poland and Russia.
      1. 0
        January 1 2018
        Then they divided Poland. The pagan then ON had a union with Poland through monarchical marriage.
    9. +1
      March 3 2018
      Quote: pra465
      Regarding the Slavic essence of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, it, without a doubt, had more reasons to be called a Slavic country than the principality of Moscow.

      And that is why the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, айтemaitė and Russian was called. Russian already in third place. Secondly, the Ukrainian misunderstanding, the Moscow troops were there. At that moment, Moscow and Vilna were in a completely allied relationship, even though Vytautas hatched insidious plans. Dmitry Bobrok-Volynsky, the author of the Kulikovo victory and a relative of Dmitry Donskoy, died in this section. Thirdly, the battle did become a disaster. She forever put an end to the great-power claims of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the division of Rus Mosskovsky did not take place, and Vitovt did not become king. Neither then nor later. And Moscow, in the end, has become the undisputed hegemon in Eastern Europe. And Lithuania from "sea to sea" is a thing of the past forever.
      1. 0
        April 17 2018
        Quote: Molot1979
        And that is why the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Zhemaitskoe and Russian was called. Russian already in third place.

        Well, this is precisely what is clear: in those times, new definitions were made to the title as such emerged. Since the Russian lands (modern Ukraine) were the last to be included in the GDL, they are the last in the title.
  2. Priest
    15 September 2011
    "Was there a boy?" laughing
  3. +8
    24 September 2011
    we do not know the truth about why the USSR collapsed, but we want to know the truth about what happened centuries ago. A difficult dilemma! for me, at that time there was complete chaos and the struggle for power on the scale of all of Eurasia, and not a vassal dependence on one particular khan or prince or king.
  4. rocketman
    1 May 2014
    Dead shame does not have ... a monument is still needed.
  5. +4
    October 15 2016
    In intelligence on the impasse, Goblin has an excellent video lecture by K. Zhukov about the battle in Vorskla. Interested in recommending a look.
    1. 0
      October 18 2016
      Link is not difficult?
  6. +1
    October 18 2016
    There is something to think about and something to be ashamed of for us descendants

    And how and over what? At first, the author writes that the battle seems to have taken place, but only there are no historical documents that are uniquely interpreted. That is, either yes or no. Here I would remember the Great Ukrov and put a monument to them on the Black Sea coast, well, that would not be a shame. She's such a story, a windy person. And about such "Historians" generally keep quiet.
    1. +1
      October 18 2016
      Gorelik wrote about her. Is he a bad historian too? Bobrok Volynets, the hero of the Kulikov field in her died.
      1. 0
        October 18 2016
        Link to the source
  7. +2
    October 19 2016
    Monument to what, Slavic internecine strife? I am ashamed of the author if he confuses the internecine war of the princes with the war against invaders (Swedes, British, etc.). Slavic princes of the vassals of Lithuania fought against the Horde. But the Golden Principality included the Moscow Principality i.e. Muscovites also took part in that battle on the side of the Horde.
    1. 0
      19 September 2017
      LLC lying .... Moscow regiments did not take part
  8. +1
    October 20 2016
    The numbers (even supposed) of the numerical strength of the troops that came together in the battle are pretty impressive - this is the time.
    One of the sides is almost completely knocked out (on the opposite side, the losses are apparently equally impressive) - these are two.
    The question arises - even in the absence of surviving witnesses and the reluctance of the chroniclers to write about the defeat - didn’t anyone find the place of the greatest battle in the following years and centuries where TENS THOUSAND people died ??? Apart from horses, weapons, equipment and other ....
    There really is something to ponder and think about ....
    There is this "country" by historical standards, nothing at all, but how many layers of unexplored history are rising ...
    1. +1
      November 4, 2016
      Well, hundreds of thousands of dead and all their weapons in the open did not lie that you, in fact. The bodies were buried after the battles. It was strictly in Russia. Otherwise, epidemics and pestilence. And the winner took the weapon, why did the good disappear?
      1. 0
        February 24 2017
        That is, they cleaned absolutely everything? Yes, so cleaned up that no evidence can be found?
        And such a situation with all places of major battles?
        1. 0
          2 May 2017
          Well, in general, the situation that the dead naked were the norm, any rag in the household is useful, and even throwing iron is generally stupid
          1. +2
            26 2017 June
            Where are the huge cemeteries? Tens of thousands of victims are hectares of fields dotted with bones, or simply a huge fraternal burial. Metal - I believe, but people - people where?
            Given the minimum of survivors - add more zeros ...
  9. +4
    October 22 2016
    Well, how can you write from Ukrainian. Belarusian and Russian lands. could not have been like this before, there were princedoms with the Slavic ethnos in the majority and everyone was considered who was who, maybe not quite a true example, but in the film "Andrei Rublev" there is a phrase "what a Russian you are, you bastard of Vladimir", I think this is the real attitude of the inhabitants of different principalities to each other and everyone considered themselves not Ukrainians or Russians, but Ryazan, Suzdal, Rostov, Galician, etc. , but, in principle, all Russians, and the name Ukraine generally appeared in the 20th century. , was Little Russia and Belarus
    1. +1
      April 17 2018
      Quote: bonifaciy
      Well, how can you write from the Ukrainian. Belarusian and Russian lands

      I think this is done to more accurately compare the current geography with the current one. And then it is extremely difficult for some victims of the education reform to compare the Principality of Polotsk with the current territory of Belarus. I'm not talking about finding it on the map.
  10. Mwg
    October 23 2016
    And you are not surprised by such a motley force of troops from Kiev: Germans, Poles, Lithuanians, and Tatars fluent? What idea could they be combined? What led them to the East? Who united them and who financed them?
    Judging by the abundance of Christian Catholics, most likely the Vatican.
    I think that this was one of the West’s campaigns in the East with the participation of renegades from the Slavic princes, so we don’t remember him and that’s why they remember him in the West. The purpose of the trip in the annals is indicated: "Submit and you to me ... and give me tribute and dues every summer." The Tartars did not submit and gave the Lyuli to the bribe-takers.
    Thus, history says that the West already 600 years ago was actively interested in the resources of Russia (or Tartaria)
  11. +1
    November 5, 2016
    Well people, you give! Is this a fake? This bike has been walking the Internet for five years now. And here you are sitting with a smart look and discuss this article. laughing
  12. +2
    November 26, 2016
    There is nothing more far-fetched than history.
    Life, however fleeting, in terms of its variability, leaves its mark. And first of all, on a person - a participant in the events, but also on others, those who did not directly participate in the events, but who are part of the circle of people who were there. And the formation of the perception of these events among others lies with the direct participants in these events.
    But there are others. Who sees himself above an event (s), they then form history for a generation (s) forward to please themselves. And there may be many, but the most persistent will form the perception of the history of future generations ... and these are the most interested.
    If we take the assertion "history repeats itself" as a basis, and superimpose one period of time in the history of Russia, and indeed the entire world, on another, then we can see certain similarities. These are periods of the current time, several decades ago, and the time of 70 years ago and a century ago ..., and so you can go deeper, further to ... the limit.
    If we take the history of Russia, then obviously the need of the West to unite in order to defeat Russia, to subjugate ...
    But Russia is not a panacea and not the only one, but rather the heiress of that great state that occupied the entire territory now called Eurasia ....
    And to begin to understand modernity, you need to look as far as possible. After all, the confrontation between east and west can be seen in the whole history, which, as always, at all times was in contact, now it is called Europe, and if territorially, the states under the USSR called them the Warsaw Pact countries. But this was not a confrontation between the West and Russia, Russia, as such did not exist at that time, but the first breakaway territories of Eurasia from the large, united state with the heirs of those or other regions adjacent to them.
    And as an example, these are the battles of Alexander Nevsky, and Dmitry Donskoy, and Baty in the so-called Hungary, and the so-called Poles in Moscow, and the Swede near Poltava, and Napoleon in Moscow, and Hitler near Stalingrad. And each time it was a united Europe, no matter how they were called a Swede near Poltava, a Frenchman in Moscow or Hitler near Stalingrad.
    You can even explain the reason for the appearance of Russians in Berlin, Paris, and in other parts of Western Europe - this is an attempt to stop the next unification of this horde ...
    Getting acquainted with the history, especially Russia, one gets the feeling that this is a condensed history of all of Eurasia.
    If you stretch the borders of the Golden, White and Blue Hordes, you get Russia, the European Union and the countries of the Middle and Far East, respectively.
    In general, observing the confrontation between east and west, and getting acquainted with history, there is a perception that religion is the law!
    In the absence of legislation in the form in which we now know it, the law was what is now called religion. And to belong to any religion, it is to live by the rules and laws of one ruler.
    There are three competing religions in the world, Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Islam.
    We can only speculate about primacy, but rather assume that Orthodoxy, in the form in which we see it now, is only a small part of true Orthodoxy. And first of all, because each new ruler formed his own league of saints, and first of all this statement concerns the change of dynasty and the coming to power of the Romanovs ... Generally speaking, each new government has its own saints and communists! .. .
    Catholicism is the first attempt to reject common ancestors and the formation of its own law, but the attempt is not so successful, or rather successful, but not so obvious.
    1. +1
      November 26, 2016
      Islam, the most modern religion, especially its radical manifestations. If you touch Islam on the territory of Russia, then still initially, even it was tied to the veneration and worship of ancestors. Islam recognizes the prophets common to Christianity, but rejects the manifestation of the father and the spirit of the father in the son ...
      This was approximately the case with language. Especially in view of the fact that the formation of languages ​​is happening now. And many that are called borrowings are an echo of that proto-language which underlies all languages. For example, the Russian language that we use now, its basis, was formed at the turn of the 18-19 centuries.
      It is worth touching on the form of government.
      All, based on their flavor, principality, khanate had their own ruler, at first they were the heirs of the "supreme", then the heirs of the henchman, and where events took place that rejected the appointee, there was an elected ruler, but who was elected from the "caste" of rulers - princes, voivode ...
      If we talk about the army, it is very similar to the fact that there was a peculiar set, so to speak, of blood tithe. The call took place on the territory of the entire state, the original subjects of which were all the principalities, khanates. And already this contingent subsequently formed the basis of new nationalities, including the Cossacks. Although initially there was not such a large number of genera, families of which subsequently formed nationalities. Those. the masses of people who lived within the city, and belonged to more than one clan or family, were subsequently formed in nationality. And often, if we talk about the territory of Russia, these formations took place at the turn of the 18-19 centuries, if we take the near and far east, then these formations are ongoing now, processes reminiscent of current processes in Ukraine.
      Europe was the first to decide on nationalities. More precisely, its western part.
      This can be seen in the religious wars in Western Europe.
      Liberation from the influence of the Pope can be understood as liberation from the rule of the supreme ruler of the White Horde and the establishment of statehood outside of subordination to the pope. Moreover, a similar process affects all the rulers of the subjects of the White Order, a kind of European Union.
      It is possible, or even necessary, to stress that the rulers of these entities were originally related and because these estates were distributed to their sovereign relatives.
      The same processes, in that era, are taking place on the territory of the Golden Horde. This is Kazan, and Astrakhan, and the territory of the northern Black Sea region, and the North Caucasus, which in essence, as now, were the border territories between the Golden and Blue Hordes (Orders), in this list, you can or rather need to add the territory of modern Ukraine, the territory of which, according to By and large, there was already a border between the three Orders, White, Gold and Blue, and the dispute over which is still going on ...
      The Blue Horde has also undergone significant metamorphoses. At the turn of the 15-16 centuries, it was transformed into a minimum of 4 subjects, now they are called India, China, Persia and the Ottoman Empire. Despite the fact that they were crushed for the entire period from the end of the 17th century, 18-19 centuries, already with the participation of Romanov Russia. The one Russia that the Romanovs were able to create and partly created on the fragments of a fallen empire. And partly this was facilitated by the change of dynasty. The collapse of the Blue Horde itself was initiated by the seizure of the throne by those who in modern history are called the Ottomans.
      Ivan the Terrible was the direct heir to the throne of a large state, which was taken away from his mother by the Ottomans, which led to the fragmentation of the Blue Horde into the aforementioned ones, showed weakness in power and launched processes throughout Eurasia.
      The first showered Europe.
      1. 0
        November 26, 2016
        The same processes under the onslaught of another law (we mean Islam) affected Kazan and Astrakhan, as well as the territory of the North Caucasus and parts of Transcaucasia. (You can talk about this when getting acquainted with the arrival of Islam in these territories, about the first beliefs of the peoples inhabiting them)
        It can be said about the territory of the North Caucasus that it is very similar to the fact that it was the tithe with blood that all the subjects of the state paid to form an army, and from which different nationalities were formed (the appearance of the Cossacks, and other peoples of the North Caucasus are permissible). With the territory, now it is called Ukraine, everything is somewhat more complicated, and firstly due to the contact of three orders on this territory, and the rapid transient course of history here from the middle of the 16th to the end of the 19th centuries. At first, that part of the army that adopted the rules of the part of the collapsed blue order (Horde), following the Ottomans, tried to subjugate the emerging Russia, and left the male population at the Battle of Molody. Where the Ottomans have significantly weakened. And then the Ottomans had the problem of retaining the separate territories of the Caucasus, which did not accept Islam, and the territories of southern and southeastern Europe, and the territory of Northern Egypt.
        The Ottoman Empire was divided, and with the participation of Romanov’s Russia, into states that are now represented on the world map as Egypt, Syria, Bulgaria, and other states of northern Africa, southern Europe, and western Asia, including the territory of modern Turkey. Persia was divided, not so long ago, into the territory of Iran, Iraq, and several others. India at least to India and Pakistan. The territory of eastern India, to China, Vietnam, Korea, Japan. With Europe, everything is much more interesting!
        She was the first to decide on the "nationalities", but each time the ruler of a state, after the death of a kind of supreme ruler, inherited his power. And each time he united "Europe" and climbed into the territory of the first Golden Horde, and later into the territory of its legal successor - Russia. And constantly battles took place on the territory of the modern Baltic, the Pskov region, modern Ukraine, less often Moscow.
        At the heart of all the vicissitudes is religion.
        Initially, the main and only faith was belief in ancestors, in their purity and righteousness. The most righteous, now they would be called public figures, formed saints who excelled in the faith of their parents, and were an example for the parent. These holiness and righteousness were the basis for the formation of relations ....
        But the Orthodoxy that we see now is a slightly different Orthodoxy, and primarily because each new ruler forms his own league of saints. This applies to the coming to power of the Romanovs as a whole, and the change between the rulers within the Romanov clan, and this statement applies to a large extent to the events of the early 20th century and the coming to power of the communists.
        The emergence of another religion, in particular Catholicism, is an attempt to form righteousness in the population, forgetting the holiness of the ancestors, and rejecting the ancestors themselves. The population was growing, morals were changing, but there was a need, not so much to control the population itself, but to control so that they did not gobble up each other. And already the appearance of religion forms a desire to control other territories. Those. all who are not in religion are pagans, and there you have faith or not, it does not matter. And this is, first of all, the growth of the territory and the controlled population.
        An attempt to spread Catholicism led to conflicts in the territories that are now called the states of the Baltic states, the Kaliningrad region of Russia, the Pskov region, the territory that is now called Ukraine.
        After the Ottomans seized power in Constantinople, the Blue Horde began to disintegrate. Which in turn pushed the Ottomans to hold her by force. This is a war with an attempt to remove the rulers of certain khanates and replace them with their own, and the emergence of a new religion,
        1. 0
          November 26, 2016
          which they possibly brought with them. And an unsuccessful attempt to bring to its religion, its law, its rules, the population of a particular khanate, kingdom (the kingdom corresponds to the name of the city, like the khanate and princedom), which rejected Islam, led to the genocide of this population.
          But so was the peace movement of Islam. This concerns the attempt, as in the case of Catholicism in the west, to subjugate certain territories of the Golden Horde. This was partially possible and led to Islam at the turn of the 15-16 centuries in the territory of modern Tatarstan, Bashkiria, part of the North Caucasus.
          Along with the advent of new laws, read religion, language also joined the movement. This was another factor and an attempt to separate, or to be separated from one part and attached to another.
  13. 0
    February 25 2017
    Maybe the Moscow regiments participated on the side of Timur Kutlug, or the so-called Tatar army was really Russian, if Vitovt’s troops consisted of Germans, then they are already considered aggressors.
  14. +2
    28 May 2017
    But what does the struggle with the yoke have to do with it? Vytautas went to the steppe to restore on the Khan’s throne the very Tokhtamysh who "united the Horde for some time." Tokhtamysh himself promised Vitovt to write off Northeastern Russia to him, for which the Lithuanians had already opened their mouths more than once. Good fighters with the yoke ....
  15. +1
    July 9 2017
    Huge army, consisting mainly of Ukrainian regiments, Russian and Belarusian landsperformed on 18 of May from Kiev.

    I read about the "Ukrainian regiments", "Belarusian lands" in 1399. and I realized - you can not read further ...
  16. +2
    July 10 2017
    I’ve been saying for a long time, it’s just necessary to develop a new history textbook, so many new facts are revealed, clarified, etc. The state must finally develop a normal textbook of Russian history .........
    1. +1
      July 24 2017
      Russia had nothing to do with this battle.
  17. +1
    July 24 2017
    Full bummy.
  18. 0
    24 September 2017
    Quote: SpnSr
    each new government has its own saints

    Well, what to do? We are such Russians. Our land of saints gives birth constantly and always.
  19. 0
    24 September 2017
    Quote: SpnSr
    Islam, the most modern religion, especially its radical manifestations.

    smile All current religions are modern. The author probably wanted to say "young." But, and then he hit the sky with his finger. There are much younger.
    And, in general, the younger the religion, the less it should have rights to exist. For it comes to the ready-made, created by other religions. Like, for example, Christianity. After all, it did not come to the monkeys. There were already quite highly developed civilizations with a mass of very serious developments in science, architecture, art, law, politics, etc. In essence, Christianity came to the ready, took advantage of the achievements of the previous religions, declaring them wild, barbaric, harmful, and plunged mankind for fifteen hundred years into the dark, wildest Middle Ages. The way out of which was called - "Renaissance" !!! The same story happens with radical Islamism. Modern! History repeats itself.
  20. 0
    24 September 2017
    In general, of course, there are many thousands of times more heroes of the Russian land than history knows.
    Here, for example, are the heroes of February 18, 101.
  21. 0
    28 September 2017
    The author raves reading L.N. Gumilyov "Ancient Russia and the Great Steppe."
    "Having met in Kiev, the prince and the khan found a common language. Tokhtamysh gave up Vitovt’s right to Russia, and Vitovt promised to help Tokhtamysh return to Sarai, to then live in peace and friendship. Only Temir-Kutlug and Edigey, who needed to to expel from Sarai, which seemed simple, because Timur took his veterans to India in 1398, and from there a year later to Georgia, Syria and Iraq. Only in these rich countries could the “soldier emperor” count on abundant booty to pay off with their own soldiers. In Siberia, it was impossible to raise such funds, and it was too risky to lead an army exhausted by battles and transitions. Therefore, Temir-Kutlug and Edigey were left to their fate, and the Grand Duke Vasily Dmitrievich was left without attention and was neutral. There was nothing left for him, since for Orthodox Moscow, the Catholic and Muslim superethnoses were equally hostile, and the Siberian Tokhtamysh turned out to be a traitor ..... "
    "The knightly West, equipped with the latest military equipment, fell a second time to the East, absorbing both the tried and tested Mongolian passionarity - in the Horde, and the new one - in the Turkish Sultanate, which broke the crusaders near Nikopol. The Turkish threat tied the hands of the Catalan pirates, French feudal lords, and Venetians and the Genoese mercenaries who were trying to make a colony from Ancient Hellas, and the Hungarian kingdom, the stronghold of Catholic Europe in the southeast. Lithuania was so weakened that in 1401, by the act of the Union of Vilna, it agreed to include it in the Kingdom of Poland [5]. Vytautas was overturned by the "force of things" - a historical regularity, and all the "fragments" of Ancient Russia were devastated by Tatar raids. Actually, 1399 can be considered the end of Old Russian ethnogenesis, as the fall of Constantinople in 1453 - Byzantine. It won only from the battle on Vorskla Moscow, which received the respite it needed, but why didn’t they take advantage of their her victory for the Tatars? "
    "Temir-Kutlug entered into negotiations again:" Why did you come to me? I did not take your land, neither cities nor your villages. ”[3]. Vytautas demanded complete submission, threatening to betray the whole Horde to the sword.

    Vytautas, who had already declared himself "the Grand Duke of Lithuania and Russia," was so sure of the superiority of his forces that he succumbed to the bait of Temir-Kutlug and dragged on the negotiations. And during this time the troops of Edigheus managed to come up, and immediately everything changed. Edigheus demanded a meeting with Vitovt and said to him: "The prince is brave! Our khan could not help but recognize you as an older brother, since you are older than his years. But in turn, you are younger than me. Therefore, it will be correct if you express humility to me, you will pay tribute to me and you will depict my seal on Lithuanian money

    And on the banks of the Vorskla there was a terrible battle. Tatars chopped unresisting Lithuanians, Poles, Germans and Russians. They fled 500 versts, all the way to Kiev, and then the Tatars, scattered by troops, exterminated people all the way to Lutsk. Among the dead were over 20 princes [4]. "
  22. 0
    November 9, 2017
    Many copies have already been broken, that there was no Mongolian, and even more so Tatar invasion, as well as Tatar-Mongolian and other invasions of Russia, what is it about? Yes you that does not reach. Stop the water in the mortar crush. There was power centered in Vladimir and that’s all, but the rest was nothing.
  23. 0
    August 29 2018
    It is difficult to say about many episodes of this really large number of participants in the battle, something based on facts ...

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