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Ivanishvili told the terrible truth about Russia, or Two of the Georgian casket ...

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Well, finally ... Now Georgia itself has found out who actually launched the war in South Ossetia in August of 2008. Mr. Polichinelishvi became the herald of this secret of Polichinel .... uh-sorry, Ivanishvili. If until a recent speech by a person who claims to be the Georgian prime minister, that Mr. Saakashvili had unleashed the South Ossetian military provocation, they were known all over the world, today this sacred knowledge has finally reached the unique information authenticity of Georgia itself. .


Bidzina Ivanishvili accused the current president of Georgia that he is the one responsible for initiating hostilities against the Ossetian people. The victor of the recent parliamentary elections said that it was Saakashvili and the former ruling party who were responsible for launching the 08.08.08 military campaign.

It would seem that such words show us Ivanishvili as a person who is sincerely inclined to return Russian-Georgian relations into the mainstream of pragmatism and business partnership. However, today none of the Georgian politicians can limit themselves to accusing only their compatriots, even if they represent a diametrically opposite political flank. But what about the “imperial ambitions” of Russia, and what about the words about the “occupation” of Georgian territories? No need to worry - Ivanishvili’s speech was also this: he did not have time to attack Mikhail Saakashvili with a kite, as soon as his closest political rival Bidzina Grigoryevich “recalled” himself was exposed. According to him, Russia had “a century-long desire to cross the Caucasus Mountains,” and Saakashvili only gave Moscow an excellent reason for this ...

Listening to such words, the heads of the main political forces of Georgia who have flown away from the lips, one involuntarily comes to the conclusion that this Ivanishvili is still a carrot. In principle, no one was going to create illusions about the "silk and velvet" of the new Georgian political elites, but now there is a steady impression that these forces also hold their own people, forgive, for the rednecks, whose representatives can be hung on the ears of any near-political and pseudo-patriotic noodles. For some reason, Bidzina Ivanishvili, in his fiery diatribe about Russia’s many years of desire to cross the Caucasus Mountains, did not mention that he himself had crossed the ridge for a long time, only in the opposite direction. Strange, and how did this “terrible occupying” country (Russia) attract Mr. Ivanishvili so much that for a whole decade he was its citizen and cranked up billions of dollars through the Russian banks he himself founded? Perhaps, in this way, Bidzina Grigorievich tried in every way to prevent the very desired transition of Russia through the Caucasus? But, you know, all his aspirations were instantly destroyed by Mikhail Saakashvili, and the Russian Ivanishvili had to give up his Russian citizenship and take two new ones: Georgian and French. And now this “French-Georgian” exposer of Russia's bloodthirsty plans decided to dot the “i”, throwing a new bait in a large geopolitical lake, in the hope that the catch will be guaranteed.

Analyzing the psychological aspect of Ivanishvili's words, one can say that he decided to try to sit down on two chairs at once. On the one hand, he believes that the words about Mikhail Saakashvili’s guilt will have to touch the Russians to the core, and they will say, but why are we so advocating for the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia: they say, a peasant, he denounced the Georgian president, which means , and gave us a setup for friendship ... However, Bidzina G., apparently, forgets that for Russia he invents the bicycle. The fact that Saakashvili has unleashed the war may be news for the Georgian people, and in Russia, as, by the way, in most countries of the world, they knew about this long before they heard the name of Ivanishvili himself.

The second chair is the words about Russia's “aggressive” plans to cross the Caucasus range. This bait is obviously designed for western partners. There, such “accusations” against Russia are very much loved and are ready to give the most generous preferences to those who pour out more dirt on Russian heads. These are specific code phrases according to which the West determines the status of a new foreign politician: friend or foe. Now, of course, Brussels and Washington know: Ivanishvili is his own - the right politician. Saakashvili could also have remained in the memory of the democratic West with his board, if he had brought the matter of democratization of South Ossetia to the end, and did not rush to the ground at the sight of any aircraft during the famous 2008 events. So the West allowed Georgia to hold its democratic elections, when one was merged and the other was elevated - well, let it be that the former Russian, but this comrade is in the money, which means that, if anything, he can also demonstrate some anti-Russian trick. And it already shows ... In general, the second chair of Ivanishvili looks to him to be much more stable, which means that the epic on demonizing Russia in Georgia will be continued.

The West is little interested history other countries, and therefore, on the other side of the border with the European Union, they may even really think that Russia has tried to cross the Caucasian heads for some time there. They will not even understand about the fact that there was a time when Russia itself was ruled by famous comrades who came from the southern slopes of the Caucasus ...

In general, Mr. Ivanishvili plays with marked cards that delight the West with their variegation, instill some ghostly hopes in Georgian citizens themselves, and we, Russians, are given to understand that the total result does not change from the change of places of Georgian leaders. Here it is - Georgian political mathematics.
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  1. markevo
    markevo 26 October 2012 08: 05 New
    +2
    better now than later
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 26 October 2012 08: 15 New
      16
      And someone was expecting something else ??? O_o
      1. Gavrilon
        Gavrilon 26 October 2012 09: 38 New
        15
        Gentlemen, I have a very interesting opinion about Mr. Ivanishvili !!! At the moment, I did not expect anything else from him. All in order:
        1. Revealing a terrible secret to Georgians 080808 Binzida takes a step towards Russia (It’s good time to restore relations slowly).
        2. The attacks on the occupied territories are also quite understandable, and as the author pointed out, he sat down beautifully on two chairs! But here is the essence of Ivanishvili showed for the west and the north that he is ready for dialogue !!! It is also impossible to pursue a policy of friendship and fraternity (IMHO Russia will not immediately accept the prodigal son in a passionate embrace) and will not abruptly turn its back on the West. The electorate will not understand, but money injections cannot be lost !!!
        3. And most importantly, even if there is no reorientation of Georgian politics from west to north, then at least the restoration of bilateral relations and the gradual settlement of the conflict with Abkhazia and Ossetia will be extremely constructive.

        ps Binzida Ivanishvili seems to me (at the moment) an extremely convenient politician for Russia. Calmly and systematically, everything will come to the normalization of relations between Russia and Georgia, and then again Georgian wine will be on our shelves and we will accordingly drive to relax at Georgian resorts. hi
        1. Vladimir 70
          Vladimir 70 26 October 2012 11: 34 New
          23
          Binzida Ivanishvili seems to me (At the moment) an extremely convenient politician for Russia
          At the moment, Ivanishvili is a convenient politician for the United States, but not for Russia! Everything was clear with Mishiko - he unleashed a war (the citizens of Russia died), respectively, no relations. Now, after Ivanishvili’s statements about Mishik’s guilt (although Georgia will remain US-oriented), Russia will have to establish economic ties. As a result, part of the costs of maintaining Georgia, the United States will shift to Russia. So in this case, the United States will win.
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 26 October 2012 12: 01 New
            +6
            Vladimir 70,
            That's right. With this banker, now keep your eyes open!
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 26 October 2012 12: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir 70
            Now, after Ivanishvili’s allegations of Mishik’s guilt

            Another thing I'm wondering is whether the United States will give Mishiko the go-ahead to drain Mishiko to the Hague Tribunal ... as an unjustified hope and investment? Americans are not vindictive, just evil ... and the memory is good ... wassat
            1. Vladimir 70
              Vladimir 70 26 October 2012 12: 31 New
              +3
              Uv. Kaa, it is unlikely that the United States will "merge" Mishiko before the Hague Tribunal (they will simply stop working with them), but will provide asylum at home.
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 26 October 2012 13: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir 70
                shelter at home- will provide

                Rather, in the traditional country for the "former" - in Britain, where each creature, a pair, Noah's ark for political emigrants ... just in case ... suddenly come in handy.
              2. orient
                orient 26 October 2012 22: 49 New
                0
                Yes, they do not need him, as they did not justify ...
                1. predator.2
                  predator.2 27 October 2012 06: 35 New
                  0
                  no, just, the Moor has done his job, the Moor can ....
            2. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 26 October 2012 19: 39 New
              +5
              Kaa,
              Quote: Kaa
              Another thing I'm wondering is whether the United States will give Mishiko the go-ahead to drain Mishiko to the Hague Tribunal ... as an unjustified hope and investment? Americans - they are not vindictive, just evil ... and the memory is good.

              Are you a snake laughing or something, what do you think jerk Americans? fencing oneself. There is no mouse like our Humpback will drive through their universities, let a tear go, write memoirs of how he crap, and so on.
            3. homosum20
              homosum20 27 October 2012 15: 46 New
              +1
              They are not evil. They just know how to count money and look to the future.
            4. Denzel13
              Denzel13 1 November 2012 20: 30 New
              0
              For them it is much more profitable to use it for the last time. A brick will fall on his head somewhere in London wassat , then "quite by accident" there will be a "trace of the Kremlin" and the entire "democratic" press will trumpet: "AAA, here they are, vindictive Russians, they have always been like this - Trotsky, they banged it in their time - it's in their blood." And there will be a birth of a new "victim of the regime". laughing
          3. Gavrilon
            Gavrilon 26 October 2012 12: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir 70
            part of the cost of maintaining Georgia, the United States will shift to Russia.

            I would like to know about what appropriations and the budget of Georgia (and not Georgia, if you please call correctly) is it ???
            Bilateral deals for the benefit of both parties, yes! But about some kind of financing there was no question !!!
            1. nnz226
              nnz226 26 October 2012 14: 37 New
              +4
              Actually, in American style, Georgia sounds like Georgia, so speaking of the United States (quote from above) it is quite possible to use their name. Again, in Georgia, all the inscriptions are Georgian and English, so Georgia!
              1. homosum20
                homosum20 27 October 2012 15: 49 New
                0
                Dear, what does it matter?
              2. FREGATENKAPITAN
                FREGATENKAPITAN 1 November 2012 13: 16 New
                0
                Is not it? They call Moscow- Moskau ..... and Russia -Rush ......
                By your logic, and we are called that ...........
                Как historically in Russian , continue to be called!
                And I didn’t hear that at least one Georgian would proudly call himself-I dzhurgin !
            2. Vladimir 70
              Vladimir 70 26 October 2012 21: 32 New
              +1
              I would like to know about what appropriations and the budget of Georgia (and not Georgia, if you please call correctly) is it ???
              Bilateral deals for the benefit of both parties, yes! But about some kind of financing there was no question !!!
              What benefits can Russia have from bilateral transactions with Georgia? They simply do not and cannot be. But Georgia will be able to earn by supplying shitty wine to the Russian market. Why shitty, if only because Georgia does not have so many vineyards to produce quality wine for the Russian market ....
              1. Magadan
                Magadan 26 October 2012 23: 29 New
                +1
                Personally, I like Crimean wines more, but they haven’t been around for a long time, almost since the times of the USSR
                1. starpom
                  starpom 31 October 2012 15: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Magadan
                  Only they have not been around

                  You shouldn’t be so. I invite you to visit.
              2. homosum20
                homosum20 27 October 2012 15: 53 New
                +2
                Having experienced everything, we know ourselves
                What are the days of mental attacks
                Hearts not occupied by US
                Without delay, it will take our ENEMY.
                It takes, reducing all the same scores,
                Will take, sit down, razya us.
                Hearts? Giving the same heights,
                Which can not be given.
          4. homosum20
            homosum20 27 October 2012 15: 45 New
            0
            It would be nice if vodka is free in stores. But there is a reality. And unlike the wishes of Grigoryevich, forgive me like anybody ... much better than Mishiko, like a maniac. Have to pay for networking. And, dear, what is free in this world? With the right game, we get an ally. So what will the United States win?
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 26 October 2012 13: 19 New
          +3
          The best thing he can do is not to join NATO. Otherwise, in which direction will Georgia be more oriented - neither hot nor cold! Who does not have relatives in Georgia, before the lantern, there is Georgia on the world map or not. And REAL Georgian wine in stores, and so no one will see, only a fake (there is not enough real for everyone).
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 26 October 2012 19: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: 1976AG
            The best thing he can do is not to join NATO.

            According to their own charter, it is not possible to accept Georgia into NATO .... For the borders of their state are not regulated by the international community, and the exclusion of South Ossetia and Abkhazia from territorial load is not accepted by the community ... Comrades get a vicious circle ... .
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 26 October 2012 20: 15 New
              +1
              I agree. But they do not know how to solve problems in a good way (or do not want to), and in a bad way you yourself see how it turns out. And now, after all that was Ossetia and Abkhazia as part of Georgia, you won’t be lured into any kind, so think about how they will solve this problem. The only bloodless option is to recognize the independence of Abkhazia and Ossetia, but, as we see, the new leadership is not ready to go.
              1. donRafael
                donRafael 28 October 2012 11: 23 New
                0
                1976AG,
                po ploxomu reshat vopros naschiot abxazii i osetii gruzia ne xochet. etogo xotiat nekotorie rossiiskie politiki. pust ostaviat eti regioni v pokoe, vivedut voiska s ix territorii, i perestanut nauskivat ix liderov protiv gruzii, vot togda i vozmojen dialog mejdu etimi regionami i ostalnoi gruziei. togda mojno podpisat i vseoblemliushii dokument o ne primenenii sili, i td i tp
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: donRafael
                  po ploxomu reshat vopros naschiot abxazii i osetii gruzia ne xochet.

                  How many warriors unleashed Georgia against South Ossetia and Abkhazia and you say it doesn’t want, well, well.
                  Quote: donRafael
                  vivedut voiska s ix territorii, i perestanut nauskivat ix liderov protiv gruzii, vot togda i vozmojen dialog mejdu etimi regionami i ostalnoi gruziei.

                  Oh, how Georgia Georgia will also set conditions, it was necessary to take Tbilisi, but nothing will be fixed soon.
                  Quote: donRafael
                  togda mojno podpisat i vseoblemliushii dokument o ne primenenii sili, i td i tp

                  The use of force that is capable of "brave Georgian soldiers saw the whole world how they bravely scrambled all the way to Tbilisi, abandoning equipment and weapons laughing
                  1. MakSim51ru
                    MakSim51ru 2 November 2012 06: 43 New
                    0
                    Do not talk nonsense. The Georgian army proved itself to be quite capable in that war. You will have a talk with the veterans of that war and they will confirm to you that the Georgians surpassed the Chechen separatists during the first and second Chechen campaigns due to fierce fighting and perseverance. And the training of their troops was quite acceptable.

                    If you do not agree with me, then justify pzhlst
        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 26 October 2012 19: 18 New
          10
          ] Georgian wine, and we will accordingly drive to relax at Georgian resorts
          Yes, Georgia does not have so much wine to sell to Russia, everything that is now sold in stores under brands and Abkhazian and Georgian wines at frantic prices is all poppycock, up to a single bottle, (I specially tried) you believe me please, I’m on homemade wine It grew in good quality, and the sister of the University of Dbilis graduated and regularly brought Georgian wines for holidays to compare, the whole family was compared with her home from the old Cossack varieties of wine, both white and red, so I know a lot about it. After the collapse of the country, all Georgian wine went away and goes west (with a black sheep you should at least get a shred of wool), and at the expense of the beaches; so they all remained practically in Abkhazia, and Sukhum and Gagra and Pitsunda and why the heck did Georgia surrender to us, again to feed these arrogant arrogant man purse of thieves and scammers? NO, that's enough, let them trump, Americans feed. All their life they’re like hitrozadki beats on someone’s hump all the time. Let them now try to saddle the Americans, but it seems to me that they won’t get a damn from this Roy.
          1. donRafael
            donRafael 28 October 2012 11: 10 New
            0
            u gruzii dorogoi moi naidiotsia stolko vina, ne tolko rossiu, no i blijnee zarubejie otovaritsia. i ia skaju tebe, chto eto vino, po kachestvu ne budet ustupat nikakim zarubejnim vinam. no poka-chto peite vina sobstvennogo proizvodstva. a naschiot chernomorskix kurortov ti nemnogo oshibaeshsia. suxumi, gagra i picunda, poka-chto (ne s rosiiskoi, as mejdunarodnoi tochki zrenia), iavliaiutsia gruzinskimi teritoriami, kotorie okupirovani tvoei stranoi. dobavliu eshio, chto poteria gruziei kontrolia nad abxaziei i samachablo (eto istoricheskoe nazvanie iujnoi osetii), proisxodilo pri posobnichestve i voennoi podderjke nekotorix politikov tvoei strani. nam s abxazami i osetinami nechego bilo delit. jili mi drujno, vmeste pili prekrasnoe gruzinskoe vino i zakusivali osetinskimi xabidzginami, i abxazuroi v adjike. zarannee proshu izvinit za latinskii shrift.
            1. mar.tira
              mar.tira 28 October 2012 11: 37 New
              +3
              Who can argue with Geanatsvale! That Georgian homemade wine is bad? Of course it’s good. But after what your minister said that the Russians will drink and urine. Any self-respecting person will certainly refuse it. And we’re not bad Bulgarian, Italian, and Moldovan. We’ll drink it! To be honest, I don’t remember your wines. , and other products from Georgia. We have enough others in abundance. And you lived with us for centuries, and nothing, were friends, became related, died for each other. Why did you suddenly have such hatred? Surely not because you were beckoned to the club of "democratic, elite" countries? And they showed a green piece of paper? So I'm sorry! Forgotten about a peaceful neighborhood, and raised a hand to the weak, get it !!! Russia at all times protected the weak, including you! And these are not imperial manners as your politicians like to say. You will live peacefully with us, you will have prosperity, and other nations too. But this is if you live on your own, and without a pointer from Washington !!!
              1. FREGATENKAPITAN
                FREGATENKAPITAN 1 November 2012 13: 19 New
                0
                Don't say anything, but Khvanchara is the drink of the gods! (naturally real wine)
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: donRafael
              u gruzii dorogoi moi naidiotsia stolko vina, ne tolko rossiu, no i blijnee zarubejie otovaritsia

              Thank you dear, drink yourself, we will be full and drunk even without your wine hi
              Quote: donRafael
              nam s abxazami i osetinami nechego bilo delit. jili mi drujno, vmeste pili prekrasnoe gruzinskoe vino i zakusivali osetinskimi xabidzginami

              That is why one of your president said that they are not people, Georgia is for Georgians and that these pigs need to be thrown out of Georgia or destroyed. Remind the president’s name?
        4. homosum20
          homosum20 27 October 2012 15: 36 New
          0
          I completely agree. But only on condition that Russia plays a stronger player than Grigoryevich. By the way, any simple ... position is very vulnerable when you play with people stronger than you (again, Grigoryevich). For Russia, I think it’s a very comfortable pose. IMHO. And the pose between the two chairs is fraught. And in everyday life, and in politics.
        5. andrklimanov
          andrklimanov 27 October 2012 23: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Gavrilon
          ) an extremely convenient politician for Russia. Calmly and systematically, everything will come to normalization of relations between Russia and Georgia

          I wanted to argue, but Vladimir 70 said everything and you can’t say better !!!
      2. YARY
        YARY 26 October 2012 13: 35 New
        13
        When shit is carried by a fan it makes no sense to pour air on a freshener!
        ENEMIES WILL ALWAYS BE ENEMIES!
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 27 October 2012 16: 08 New
          +1
          France in history has been both our friend and our enemy. Germany was both our friend and our enemy. Who to be (friends or enemies) is more dependent on us. We choose it ourselves. What we say and what we think are two big differences (if we are not idiots).
      3. dmitrich
        dmitrich 1 November 2012 19: 05 New
        0
        this is the first high-ranking Georgian politician to admit that Georgia has unleashed a war.
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 26 October 2012 08: 17 New
    26
    Horseradish radish is not sweeter - folk wisdom.
    With the next ear sulik need to keep an eye out. Get more pragmatism in relationships and God save us from bosom friendship.
    1. Evgeny Petrovich
      Evgeny Petrovich 26 October 2012 08: 53 New
      +8
      Sweeter !!! Radish has 6 times more sugar than horseradish.
      But this does not apply to barbel.
      Any state that has made friendly steps towards Russia is either disingenuous or there is no democracy.
      Accordingly, no state without risk will be friends with Russia. (TO FRIEND, and not have a signed note of friendship), you should not expect anything from any election in this world, no matter how convenient the president won. Everything is done on the other side of the sea.
      PS There are exceptions, but less than wanted.
    2. Taratut
      Taratut 26 October 2012 09: 09 New
      -37
      No bosom friendship with Georgia is foreseen. But it would be like throwing friends already on their necks - South Ossetia, Chechnya, Abkhazia, etc.
      1. romys
        romys 26 October 2012 09: 27 New
        21
        If you listen to smart people like you,
        then you can cut the whole of Russia into pieces and become a colony of Amer. am
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 26 October 2012 10: 26 New
          13
          I agree. Such clever men in 1812 and 1941gg. not only they would have been draped to the Urals, but they would have reached the Pacific Ocean.
          1. Lucky
            Lucky 26 October 2012 10: 48 New
            +1
            I think he will begin to cooperate with Russia, he is not a stupid man, he understands what's what in this world
            1. donRafael
              donRafael 28 October 2012 11: 34 New
              0
              Lucky,
              da, mujik on ne glupii i sotrudnichestvo s rossiei polezno obeim nashim stranam. no on ne nastolko glup, chtobi vesti dialog s rossiei imeiia za svoei spinoi 10000-uiu grupirovku rossiiskix okupacionnix voisk.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: donRafael
                ... no on ne nastolko glup, chtobi vesti dialog s rossiei imeiia za svoei spinoi 10000-uiu grupirovku rossiiskix okupacionnix voisk.

                I saw the experience of Saakashvilli with eating ties; I learned how to spit Russia, will he conduct a dialogue or not hi
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 26 October 2012 10: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: Horst78
            not only they would have been draped to the Urals, but they would have reached the Pacific Ocean.


            I doubt the Japanese planned to reach the Urals
        2. donRafael
          donRafael 28 October 2012 11: 29 New
          0
          romys,
          ti v sostav rossii uje vkliuchil abxaziu i iujnuiu osetiu? bravo! belay lol
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: donRafael
            ti v sostav rossii uje vkliuchil abxaziu i iujnuiu osetiu?

            We’ll turn on Tbilisi and the rest of Georgia soon, don’t even doubt it bully
            Quote: donRafael
            Bravo!

            You will scream bravo to our soldier when they enter Tbilisi lol
      2. stariy
        stariy 26 October 2012 10: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: Taratut
        But as if friends were already sitting on their necks

        Another Yeltsin
      3. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 26 October 2012 19: 25 New
        +4
        [quote = Taratut] But as if friends who had already sat on their necks would be thrown off [/ quote]
        [quote = Taratut] Chechnya [/ quote
        Alya ... garage ...! Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation .... Where are you going to throw it off ??????? .... You are our strategist - newly-appointed .......
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 October 2012 08: 18 New
    17
    Yes, the new "president" of Georgia has a lot of money and a lot of those who want to come close to the owner's money and get a beautiful American candy wrapper from his hands. I don’t believe a word of this newly elected clown, his money is completely controlled by the United States, which means that he will be completely controlled. His bath is shorter.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 October 2012 08: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, the new "president" of Georgia has a lot of money and a lot of those who wish will come close to the owner's money

      Hi Sasha

      He has a lot of money, but this is his personal savings, which he can replenish at the expense of the state and will not share with anyone, otherwise he would not be a rich person, this is the rule of the rich.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2012 11: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        and will not share with anyone

        Hi Vadim, they will not ask him if he wants to share or not, if he steps to the right or left of the owner’s plan ........... the USA will quickly find the reasons for freezing his funds in all Western accounts.
        Quote: Vadivak
        He has a lot of money, but it’s his personal savings,

        As he did not try to save and save, he could not even save one billion. laughing
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 27 October 2012 16: 13 New
          +2
          Alexander, with deep respect, I also did not succeed. Tried to. The experiment is objective.
  4. Pule
    Pule 26 October 2012 08: 35 New
    10
    Why hurry. Let's drink an Indian seagull. Another president of Georgia did not leave as the prime minister wanted. And therefore, they begin the period of chaos - the boys need to measure with someone more ... Let's see, laugh ...
  5. WW3
    WW3 26 October 2012 09: 08 New
    14
    Ivanishvili said that Georgia is joining NATO like Saakashvili, so their foreign policy is practically the same in relation to Russia, including ...
    It is a pity that Russian tanks did not enter Tbilisi and Misha did not finish his tie ....
    1. merkel1961
      merkel1961 26 October 2012 09: 43 New
      +4
      Misha, like everyone else in all parts of the world, comes and goes, ties are eternal!
      1. WW3
        WW3 26 October 2012 19: 56 New
        15
        Yeah, what a teddy bear doesn’t like to chew a tie ... laughing
        1. ikrut
          ikrut 26 October 2012 22: 13 New
          +8
          laughing Good question for a quiz show!
          By the way, the Americans recently released a movie about the war 080808. So, there, as if in passing, they wanted to smuggle the idea that chewing a tie is just Mishiko’s sweet everyday habit. They showed him even before the war, allegedly very thoughtful, sitting in his office and chewing a tie. It seems like it helps him to think. Nice!
          The film, essno but - complete nonsense about the heroic Georgian army. They are naive. Just 4 years have passed, and they think that no one already remembers anything.
          1. WW3
            WW3 26 October 2012 23: 08 New
            +5
            I like this movie about Mishiko. laughing Saakashvili and security
  6. nemec55
    nemec55 26 October 2012 09: 50 New
    -6
    It's simple - the agent of Russia does not need to be lit, but it is necessary to create good ground for further actions ...
  7. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 26 October 2012 09: 50 New
    +2
    Muddy dude swill. It is necessary to deal with his activities in Russia. What, how and where he earned, by what means. 100% that there could not do without crime. Gather more compromising evidence on him, show him and scare him, and make him a silk and fluffy friend of Russia. Then, we will have complete love and understanding with him.
    1. Gavrilon
      Gavrilon 26 October 2012 09: 54 New
      -5
      Alex, welcome !!! The FSB has worked there for a long time. And I am quite sure that Ivanishvili often calls up to GDP.
  8. alatau_09
    alatau_09 26 October 2012 09: 58 New
    +9
    Russia has been de jure in Transcaucasia since 1813 (the Gulistan agreement) and has not gone anywhere since then, the forms of presence simply change (Armenia, Gabala Az., South Ossetia, Abkhazia) ... Ivanishvili, in any case, did he do the right thing? first, put Saakashvili in his place and tore off his "lamb" mask;
    secondly, he set all Westerners and others like them, who blamed the Russian Federation;
    thirdly, this is breaking the Saakashvili propaganda in Georgia itself, especially school and student youth ...
    The rest is the author’s speculation ...
    it takes a little time to draw conclusions ...
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 27 October 2012 16: 22 New
      +1
      Transcaucasia is watered with Russian blood. Our Far Eastern islands as a result of the war. Transcaucasia too. The results of the war are not disputed by international law. Want to repeat? Repeat. God is in heaven. USA on another continent. And here we are.
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT 26 October 2012 10: 08 New
    +7
    No need to build illusions. Saka threw Georgia into relations with the United States for the most "don't play" in a short time it is not possible to change the political Kursk, and it is not profitable for them
    1. anchonsha
      anchonsha 26 October 2012 11: 36 New
      +3
      Right. Today, the news reported that the new Shvili called the United States the most faithful friend of Georgia. This is how our neighbors, those who lived in the USSR like a fat cat, do. And this one shvili and made his fortune in present-day Russia, in order to show the same Russia - do not trust people who are not of your tribe-clan. Everyone is trying to play a card - to inject Russia more painfully so that they are satisfied in the West. Like Ukraine, Shvili wants to sit on two or even three chairs at once. This does not always work. Only late realize this.
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 27 October 2012 16: 25 New
        0
        You are a pessimist. GDP is not.
    2. homosum20
      homosum20 27 October 2012 16: 24 New
      0
      Who is it for them? profitability is a difficult question.
  10. Yarbay
    Yarbay 26 October 2012 10: 14 New
    +2
    The question is what is in the interests of Georgia ??
    And how does Ivanishvili understand the interests of Georgia !!?
    The president must act in the interests of his country and people, and not of any other country!
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 26 October 2012 11: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Yarbay
      The president must act in the interests of his country and people, and not of any other country!

      Absolutely agree. But what if the country is used to living behind the back of a stronger one? <She will "give" to the one who gives more>
      How to plan the future of Georgia, if you do not know who will be "covered with a copper basin" earlier - Russia or the United States?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 26 October 2012 11: 19 New
        0
        Quote: tan0472
        That's just how to be

        This is what the President must decide, what to do ???
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 26 October 2012 15: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarbay
      as Ivanishvili understands the interests of Georgia !!?

      According to media reports, something like this: "Georgia does not intend to restore diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation yet.
      While Russia has occupied Georgian territories, diplomatic relations between the two countries cannot be restored. This was stated by the new Minister of Foreign Affairs of Georgia Maya Panjikidze.
      “Twenty percent of Georgia’s territory is occupied by Russia, the Russian side has opened two embassies - in Sukhumi and Tskhinvali, and as long as this situation remains, diplomatic relations will not be restored. For all of us, not only for this ministry, for the whole country, there is no greater goal than achieving de-occupation, ”Panjikidze said. Http://for-ua.com/world/2012/10/26/140353.html
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 26 October 2012 16: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        While Russia occupied Georgian territories

        basically logical!
        And what do you want the people to pick him up right away ???
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 26 October 2012 18: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          And what do you want the people to pick him up right away ???

          This is from the category "How do you end up right away, or do you want to suffer?"
          "Better, of course, to suffer."
  11. General
    General 26 October 2012 10: 19 New
    -32
    What did you want the Russians? Have you captured the lands of Georgians, recognized their independence? after such actions, more than one president of any country will not restore relations, Russia will not be able to take a step back, they say the states have recognized and now we don’t recognize it this way, and it turns out that Moscow’s relationship with Tbilisi will not be restored, people have visited Georgia and they don’t like Sakashvili fact, but they hate Russians in general.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 26 October 2012 11: 09 New
      17
      Anyway, Georgia was bought with giblets on loans and investments from the US and the EU. Russia will have nothing with Georgia, otherwise the Georgian creditors will quickly make another Greece out of the Transcaucasian country. And even Russian money will not help here. They "screwed" the Georgians tightly. And the Georgians fulfill all the whims of the owner. The same dispatch of the next Georgian peacekeepers either to Afghanistan, or to Iraq.
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 26 October 2012 11: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: thatupac
        what did you russian want? Have you captured the lands of Georgians, recognized their independence?

        Oh how! And Ossetians and Abkhazians, in your opinion, are not people? Georgians can have sovereignty, but they can not?
        Quote: thatupac
        Anyway, Georgia with giblets was bought for loans and investments of the USA and the EU

        Quote: thatupac
        And the Georgians fulfill all the whims of the owner.

        Nothing wrong. Time will pass, the United States will weaken and the Georgians will wave their pen with the words - "Thank you, genatsvale. I no longer need a friend like you. Now I will be friends with Russia. She will love me more than you."
        1. donRafael
          donRafael 28 October 2012 11: 49 New
          0
          tan0472,
          Oh how! And Ossetians and Abkhazians, in your opinion, are not people? Georgians can have sovereignty, but they can not?
          otvechaiu voprosom na vopros !!! a chechenci, i ingushi ne liudi? vam rossianam mojno imet suverenitet, a im net? poka chto-to govorit, sperva podumai!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: donRafael
            ? vam rossianam mojno imet suverenitet, a im net?

            You don’t compare Georgia with Russia, the weight categories are too different both economically and politically. I don’t say military and human potential. Not everything is possible for Georgia and Russia.
    2. anchonsha
      anchonsha 26 October 2012 11: 49 New
      10
      Yes, you look with wide open eyes at the world. Russia is nearby, the USA is overseas. A neighbor will always help a neighbor. And with the Abkhazians with the Ossetians themselves are to blame, it was not necessary to spread rot, swallow everything in the territory of South Ossetia, Abkhazia. They would live as tribesmen, otherwise they would want to expel the people from their land. And there is nothing to blame Russia for protecting these peoples. And then you see even Kikabidze, who played the role of a holy man in films, became a strangler of these peoples.
    3. Recon
      Recon 26 October 2012 12: 29 New
      10
      but they hate Russians in general.


      Really? What a nuisance. Maybe we suddenly hate millions of their compatriots in our homeland? And then they live for themselves and do not itch, open a business, give birth to children, send money to their historical homeland regularly.
      1. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 26 October 2012 19: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Recon
        And then they live for themselves and do not itch, open a business, give birth to children, send money to their historical homeland regularly.

        ..... Exactly how purses are brewed --- ah-vey - masterly ... yeah ????
    4. 1976AG
      1976AG 26 October 2012 13: 30 New
      14
      Yes, someone would love Georgians! What did they do to anyone good? Everyone is used to asking from Russia! We help everyone forever and are to blame anyway! And under the Soviet regime, almost all republics lived better than Russians, but who appreciated this? Only claims are made. Look at yourself!
      1. Lexo
        Lexo 26 October 2012 17: 40 New
        -9
        nothing cursing .. I like Georgia from Russia do not need anything at all ... and unfortunately I will never see Russia and will not show my children .... First of all, because you pushed me yourself ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 26 October 2012 18: 58 New
          +8
          And how should I react to General’s attack? Is it to be explained in love to the Georgian people? This is YOUR compatriot of the Russians pouring mud, but you did not pay attention to it, but I see you pushed you away. Again, the Russians are to blame! Well, where is the justice?
          1. donRafael
            donRafael 28 October 2012 11: 53 New
            0
            1976AG,
            a ti pomenshe rossiiskuiu propagandu slushai i pobolshe slushai liudei, kotorie jivut v gruzii ne zarajeni russofobiei. oni tebe mnogo chego interesnogo skajut.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 29 New
              0
              Quote: donRafael
              a ti pomenshe rossiiskuiu propagandu slushai

              Probably your "honest" politicians should be listened to, who have been brainwashed throughout Georgia.
              Quote: donRafael
              pobolshe slushai liudei, kotorie jivut v gruzii ne zarajeni russofobiei.

              If only one such person came to the site, but at least told us something, but no
        2. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 26 October 2012 19: 47 New
          +6
          Quote: Lexo
          First of all, because you pushed me yourself ...

          ... It's nice to hear ....... Take away your compatriots from Moscow ... and it will be even more pleasant for us, otherwise tolerance does not allow us to throw them out in our native Tbilisi-Kutaisi ... (To you as an expert on the Georgian people I have a question ... Vorie from Tbilisi is cooler than from Kutaisi ... or vice versa ??)
          1. donRafael
            donRafael 28 October 2012 12: 10 New
            0
            Kshatriy,
            a chem tebe moi sootechestvenniki v moskve ili v rossii meshaiut? liudi rabotaiut i soderjat semii. poniatno, chto sredi moix soochestvennikov est i kriminalnie elementi, no kak govoritsia "semia ne bez uroda". tak vashix kriminalov toje xvataet v drugix stranax. xochesh sovet? skaji vashim pravooxranitelnom slujbam, chto-bi vsex kriminalov, vixodcev iz gruzii otlovilo i ekstradirovalo v gruziu. nu, au nas na nix upava naidiotsia. no tvoia-je policia u tvoego viska ukazatelnim palcem pokrutit. znaesh pochemu? a ktoje im potom vziatku za projivanie i za krishevanie dast? vashim policeiskim tolerantnost pozvoliaet, prostogo gruzinskogo trujennika poimat i na rodinu, kak skotinu v gruzovom otseke samoliota otpravit, chem s gruzinskim kriminalom sviazivatsia. vo-pervix ne vigodno, vo-vtorix opasno bully angry a chto kasaetsia krutosti tbilisskix ili kutaisskix vorov, to oni u vas v moskve krutie, au nas oni v tiurme sidiat.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: donRafael
              liudi rabotaiut i soderjat semii. poniatno, chto sredi moix soochestvennikov est i kriminalnie elementi, no kak govoritsia "semia ne bez uroda"

              Yes, they’re working as man-handlers, soon all your prisons will be slaughtered by your compatriots. Thieves-in-law, Georgians all over the place. That there are a lot of freaks in your family or it seems to me alone laughing
              Quote: donRafael
              vixodcev iz gruzii otlovilo i ekstradirovalo v gruziu.

              Then Georgia will become the most criminal country in the world belay
    5. askort154
      askort154 26 October 2012 14: 29 New
      +3
      The Americans democratized Iraq so much that it began to look for ways of rapprochement with Russia. (The first step is the purchase of Russian weapons, and spitting in the United States)
      What is Georgia? As soon as this artificial "PR" ceases, it will be remembered no more than Mongolia.
    6. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 26 October 2012 19: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: General

      What did you want the Russians?

      ..... And We Russian do not want anybody !!! We already live Niferogo ... And the most, that is strange from the fact that
      Quote: General
      but they hate Russians in general.

      ... To us aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeea ... So, you better cover your playful mouth and bite your tongue .... You are not welcome here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    7. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 28 October 2012 00: 08 New
      +2
      What did you want the Russians? .... ... but they hate Russians in general.

      And we don't give a fuck about their love for us, and even some of the Transcaucasian "Friends", let them return the fathers, children of peacekeepers and citizens of Russia, and only then they blather. Here they are also not treated to Russia ...
    8. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 28 October 2012 02: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: General
      but they hate Russians in general

      They didn’t feed their goats.
    9. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: General
      , visited Georgia people do not like Sakashvili is a fact, but they hate Russians in general.

      But we don’t have hatred, why should we hate them. They’ll crawl again, again we will pile on and let them hate further hi
    10. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 1 November 2012 13: 23 New
      0
      Oh ..... one step Russia will retreat and get the massacre in South Ossetia .... it already took place in the 90s, and in the 20th ..............
      And then already the Abkhazians and Ossetians will curse the Russians ...........
  12. Cadets
    Cadets 26 October 2012 10: 24 New
    +3
    And yours and ours - and eat the fish and climb the tree. How can you not remember the ageless expression about "political prostitute".
  13. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 26 October 2012 10: 30 New
    +4
    Gavrilon
    and then again Georgian wine will be on our shelves


    I won’t say anything about Borzh, and the wine in Russian stores was only fake, how many scandals the press has covered in the past 15 years, I don’t even remember. And the wine itself apparently went elsewhere to those who eat and feed.
    1. Gavrilon
      Gavrilon 26 October 2012 10: 34 New
      0
      A friend brought me a vinegar from Georgia and I will say this topic is better than what can be found in our wine shops.
      1. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 26 October 2012 19: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Gavrilon
        A friend brought me a vinegar from Georgia and I will say this is a better topic than what can be found in our wine shops

        Amiable hike, you do not shop in those shops ......
  14. Ghenxnumx
    Ghenxnumx 26 October 2012 10: 49 New
    +3
    the scenario is very similar to the Ukrainian one - the new "good" president replaced the old "bad" one, and then it turned out "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines"
  15. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 26 October 2012 11: 02 New
    18
    Gamsakhurdia, Shevarnadze, Saakashvili, Ivanishvili. Which of these (and all) leaders of the new Georgia generally built normal relations with Russia? The answer is on the surface. Today this small ORTHODOX state is a hug from the biggest enemies of Russia. Perhaps even with Poland relations at the state level are better than with Georgia. And this despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of Georgians live and earn money in Russia. I am not against Georgians, but I am simply pounded by the fact that they are often so sweet here, upon arrival in Georgia, they crap savagely in the direction of the country that provided them personally and all their relatives for years to come. Ivanishvili is an example of this.
    To the great regret, the policy of the leadership of our country at the moment continues to support the current idiotic (for Russians) situation. This applies not only to Georgia. Sad friends of mine.
    1. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 26 October 2012 11: 21 New
      +1
      To the great regret, the policy of the leadership of our country at the moment continues to support the current idiotic (for Russians) situation. This applies not only to Georgia. Sad friends of mine.

      It is much easier to hypocritically regret than to do at least something real, Russia helps Abkhazia - the whiners are indignant, "Waste of money!"
      Russia finds new leaders, to improve relations, the whiners manage to insert their lamentations "They are doing nothing!"
      But what about nothing? Where did Ivanishvili come from, open your eyes or something.
    2. donRafael
      donRafael 28 October 2012 12: 19 New
      0
      Shkodnik65,
      v nekotorom rode ti prav, no koren etogo otxarkivania v storonu tvoei strani ti doljen poiskat v politike tvoei-je strani po otnosheniu k gruzii. esli budet jelanie, mi s toboi mojem poboltat na etu temu pozdnee.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: donRafael
        no koren etogo otxarkivania v storonu tvoei strani ti doljen poiskat v politike tvoei-je strani po otnosheniu k gruzii.

        As I understand it, you need to kneel before you and ask for forgiveness. I think it will be easier to take Tbilisi and set your brains well, maybe you will notice the root of the problem on the other side.
  16. Averias
    Averias 26 October 2012 11: 06 New
    +6
    And here is the opinion of Georgian winemakers, small and large: Yes, as much as you can do nonsense, it was still good before, wine was made and sold. Many tourists came. Everyone was friends (I remember a trip to Georgia myself, kind people, hospitable, although wine was sold from 2 o’clock you could always buy before, when you say that you came from Siberia, you’ll also pour a glass and tell the story). And now what, who should sell wine, you can’t get into Europe, there are plenty of your own, and a ban to Russia - who better?
    1. Lexo
      Lexo 26 October 2012 17: 42 New
      0
      Absolutely agree!!! The Russians built Health Resorts in the Caucasus, and the Amer destroyed them and came with the war ... Kazlah ...
  17. Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 26 October 2012 11: 49 New
    +3
    A bullseye from a cherry does not fall far! As it falls, it begins to rot immediately.
  18. Ascetic
    Ascetic 26 October 2012 11: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: Averias
    And now what, who should sell wine, you can’t get into Europe, there are plenty of your own, and a ban to Russia - who better?


    “It was a shock for me two years ago when I learned that the stock market, trading on the Georgian stock market is estimated at about four and a half thousand dollars within one day. It is clear that while Georgia as such has problems in relations with Russia, the Russian market for Georgians is not very hospitable, and other markets, the states of which surround Georgia, are not sufficient to provide Georgia with more or less economic income. it is an economic collapse with external well-being. This is the same as in the situation with prisons. Indeed, Saakashvili with pleasure transported Russian and Russian correspondents to these prisons and showed them beautiful pictures of these laid bunks, good enough rooms for relaxation. However, as we learned, in the same prisons people were mocked, tortured, raped. Here, in fact, the whole of Georgia is about the same picture. "

    political scientist Pavel Danilin:

    Based on the situation and the real interests of Georgia as a state, it cannot escape from establishing at least economic relations with Russia. But it is also impossible to lose face in the West. So Bidzin spins in a frying pan. He even laid straws on himself by making a statement that in 1,5 years he would leave politics. Apparently I signed a contract with the owners for this period, I do not want to repeat the fate of the insane Mishiko. the ruins of the chapel

  19. crambol
    crambol 26 October 2012 12: 21 New
    +1
    IMHO, the new leader for Russia is more unpleasant than the old because of a significant mind compared to the previous one. His determination overseas is very alarming. It is very likely that we will soon have a naval, land and air base near our border. God forbid!
  20. IRBIS
    IRBIS 26 October 2012 12: 42 New
    +1
    Ah, well done! And I ate the fish and .... I didn’t wash the pan! And if before that there were illusions about the restoration of normal relations, now almost everything has become clear. Just now the State Department will transfer the loot to another account. That’s all the changes in Georgian politics.
  21. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 26 October 2012 12: 56 New
    +4
    Saakashvilli completed the task assigned to him by the West. He completely destroyed the neighborly relations with Russia and knocked out the mentality of a Soviet person from the inhabitants of Georgia .... This clown simply created favorable conditions for the coming to power of another clown from the same box, but with different methods of promoting Western democracy in the Caucasus ... Whatever it is and what Ivanishvilli would not say, I think that one should not drink Georgian wine with him at the Brudershaft yet, and it’s too early to even think about it .... He left his priority to look towards the West ..., well and let him watch ... !!! And Russia will look after him !!!
  22. VadimSt
    VadimSt 26 October 2012 13: 04 New
    0
    Whatever it was, but, first of all, the Georgians themselves opened their eyes.
    I don’t think that a reorientation of priorities will occur, but the desire to resume normal relations will sooner or later appear in practical agreements.
  23. Bigriver
    Bigriver 26 October 2012 13: 20 New
    0
    Hello Ukraine No. 2.
    Conservation of the strategy for some kind of development, and the expectation: "how will everything turn out?" When it comes together, then they will decide: WHERE.
    But, when it develops, it will be too late to deal with strategy.
  24. Allegedly
    Allegedly 26 October 2012 14: 19 New
    +2
    I read a curious phrase somewhere.
    Euphoria from the election to Georgia (sorry) Georgia is based on distilled populism and the image of the great manager Ivanishvili, a tough fighter for all the good versus all the bad, which will put things in order with one blow Georgia Georgia, tired of war, corruption, politicking and a sluggish crisis.
  25. gen.meleshkin
    gen.meleshkin 26 October 2012 14: 30 New
    0
    Ivanish went to the State Department and received instructions about what (who) and what to say. In this whole story with the Georgian republic, it makes sense to talk about the State Department and its policy towards Russia, and not about the Georgians. That the State Department sneezes, then the republican will give "to the mountain", because the State Department pays. And Russia, I very much hope, will not pay more to the "brotherly" Georgian people.
  26. Allegedly
    Allegedly 26 October 2012 15: 07 New
    +6
    Meanwhile, Mikhail Saakashvili starred in a new film "Coward, Experienced, Goonies. Three in one
    ".
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 26 October 2012 15: 27 New
      +5
      In my opinion, a comma is not needed between "experienced" and "dunce".
  27. rudolff
    rudolff 26 October 2012 17: 13 New
    +1
    Russia has no friends, is it really not clear? There are temporarily economically interested. For Lukashenka's "love" alone, Russia pays annually as much as it is possible to asphalt the whole of Chukotka with autobahns. Ordinary dirty politics for the sphere of influence!
    1. The cat
      The cat 28 October 2012 00: 17 New
      0
      So here it is why there are no autobahns in Chukotka! And I thought ...
  28. Megatron
    Megatron 26 October 2012 18: 32 New
    +4
    Georgia and Georgians are much worse off from what they yap at Russia than from it yapping
  29. Lustrator
    Lustrator 26 October 2012 19: 07 New
    +2
    Ivanoshvili:
    - Mishiko, you are a maniac!
    Saakashvili:
    - ... gyyy, and you - slop!
  30. ESCANDER
    ESCANDER 26 October 2012 20: 38 New
    +5
    They will make their capital in Russia and, well ... - bad Russia!
    Political simplicity.
    And the Russian Federation it’s high time to steer in its economy, so that other people’s goats will not scum the garden.
  31. Alex_dnepr
    Alex_dnepr 27 October 2012 02: 51 New
    +3
    Saakashvili shamefully runs away from fear at the sound of (presumably) Russian exterminations.

  32. segamegament
    segamegament 27 October 2012 11: 07 New
    +4
    21st century Georgian politicians - they are laughing
  33. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 27 October 2012 11: 16 New
    -6
    well yes )
    the war action was against the separatists like 2004 year (for some reason Russia didn’t protect its Ossetians there (well, openly)! and here what is the matter with Russia?
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 27 October 2012 16: 23 New
      +6
      Dashnakov, why didn’t you remember? You Georgians have too much nationalism. You need to control how young children, which can be harmed without being aware ... A good nation, but impulsive.

      I’ll keep silent about the occupation, but Russia has saved you from the total cutting out by the Turks.

      It seems that a purebred Georgian should be red and with blue eyes. Alla, where are you?
      1. v53993
        v53993 29 October 2012 11: 34 New
        0
        Hair repaint went.
      2. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 29 October 2012 19: 36 New
        0
        Quote: sapulid
        I’ll keep silent about the occupation, but Russia has saved you from the total cutting out by the Turks.

        the truth is and in recall before saving the chip once betrayed)
        can we recall the year 1920? )
        Quote: sapulid
        It seems that a purebred Georgian should be red and with blue eyes. Alla, where are you?

        yes) this is during the colch and diaoch of the 11 century BC)
        everything has changed since the 4 century)
        Well, I'm a hell out of here) just a good ax)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqQRazDQa8c
    2. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 28 October 2012 00: 12 New
      +2
      what does Russia have to do with it?
      Read international treaties on finding peacekeepers in Abkhazia and North Ossetia. Georgia signed the agreement and itself violated it ...
    3. AAA
      AAA 28 October 2012 09: 11 New
      +4
      And in 2008, separatists were also driven out of Tskhinval by the Grads? Unfortunately, Georgians do not want to understand that the Americans drove you like a flock of rams for slaughter, in order to check the reaction of Russia in your own skin. Well, they checked it.
      1. donRafael
        donRafael 28 October 2012 12: 35 New
        -1
        AAA,
        a tebe rossiiskie smi lapshu na ushi naveshali, razglagolstvuia o tom, chto gruzini gradami mirnix jitelei bombili ?! bolshaia chast mirnix jitelei pokinula cxinvali i prilegaiushie k nemu osetinskie siola za 3-4 dnia do nachala voini. v gorode ostavalas mizernaia chast mirnix jitelei i bolshaia chast voorujionnix separatistov. eto fakt. no ia ni koim obrazom ne podderjivaiu reshenie gruzinskogo rukovodstva, ob nochnom artobstrele cxinvali. eto mojno bilo reshit s pomoshiu grup specnaza. no ssakashvili zaxotel pokrasovatsia ili ego vveli v zablujdenie. eto pust reshit istoria
        1. mar.tira
          mar.tira 28 October 2012 14: 02 New
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          Quote: donRafael
          a tebe rossiiskie smi lapshu na ushi naveshali,

          Raphael! Give me the address, I'll send you Claudia in the Cyrillic alphabet! Or is it forbidden for you to even think in Russian? At first I thought that you were a provocateur from the Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs. But I read your comments. I realized that you were a naive simple person. It’s just that you were fooled by Saakashvili’s propagandists. Even you interpreted the words of Ivanishvili in your own way. And fear God, for the suffering that your warriors in Tskhinvali brought to peaceful people. I will give you hundreds of links on the Internet, with personnel, and documents about the destruction, bullying, and killings, both military and and civilians. EXPERIENCED !!!!! .And about the innocent victims from the Georgian side ........? Bitter !!! The war has brought no one joy to anyone else! Take these sacrifices to your president! It is he who is primarily to blame for the deaths of his citizens!
          1. donRafael
            donRafael 28 October 2012 23: 47 New
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            Nobody forbids us to write in Russian or in any other language. I just recently changed the computer and it was not accompanied by a Russian keyboard. I think that in time I will get Claudia with the Cyrillic alphabet. And as regards the fooling Mikhail Saakashvili of his citizens, I’ll say that whoever wanted to be a blockhead became one ... and stayed. And I, my dear, is a participant in the events of which I wrote. And there were no bullying, torture, or similar acts by the Georgian army, which I can not say about the Russian military. but their actions were also "games of babies" in comparison with the atrocities that the local separatist-minded militants committed against the local Georgian population. And, as they say, your Russian military machine fed them and she gave them the arms. What facts can you give me if they were not ?! Video editing facts? You were not there, my dear, but I was there and saw everything with my own eyes. And the fact that your media, your Internet portals, etc., poke any fiction at you, spit on them from a high bell tower. I am not for the war, since it is of no use to anyone. War is destruction, it is sacrifice, it is the tears of relatives who lost their loved ones on it. As a former commando, I am more inclined towards peace, and those who have never been to it want war. Do not think that I’m a raskiss, but I really feel sorry for all those dead who are called civilians. I am not sorry for the dead military, on either side of the barricade, since they themselves consciously decided to devote their lives to serving the homeland, but it is very sorry for the innocent victims of the war. Saakashvili himself climbed into this adventure. Nobody dragged him there by force, but there were other good reasons for this. You were not in South Ossetia either before or during the war. You do not know what happened there a week or more before the outbreak of hostilities. Ossetian militants fired at us from all types of small arms, including large-caliber ones. They also fired on the positions in which the Georgian peacekeepers were. And they were supposed to be there, according to a trilateral agreement (Russia-Georgia-North Ossetia). My guys asked to give them the right to open fire to defeat, but this was not done until two Georgian peacekeepers died. We, ordinary commandos understood that we were being drawn into a provocation, but this was not taken into account by higher authorities. They succumbed to the provocative actions of the separatist authorities of Tskhinvali and their instigators - the Russian generals, and, like me, it’s hard to say that the Georgians were bogged down in shit. So my dear, every military conflict has its own prehistory, which consists of precedents. But the precedent of the war was created not by Georgians, but by Russian militant politicians. Firstly, this neglect of the Georgians on their own land. Secondly, the distribution of Russian passports to residents of separatist regions. How would you react to the fact that I would start handing out Georgian passports, for example, to Chechens in Chechnya, and then, under the pretext of protecting them, as "citizens of Georgia", would invade Russian territory ?! You just thought that donrafael must have overeaten ?! You would kick me out of Chechnya with a kick in the ass, along with my passports and the "Georgianized" Chechens. Why can you deal with the distribution of passports not on your territory, but I can’t ???? And so your politicians provoked us. mar.tira,
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 29 October 2012 02: 29 New
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              Dear moderators! Please rate this clowning in a compartment with this clown and respond, please. I think the forum rules are violated here 10 times ...

              PS I'm horrified that someone sold you a "computer" with a Russian keyboard. And even children already know about your "possessed mishiko" in Europe. The killer is the killer. I am sure that such people should be handled by an international tribunal.
              1. thatupac
                thatupac 29 October 2012 02: 45 New
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                Mishiko absolutely did not screw up. He did everything right. At the direction and for the money of the US patron, who organized 888. But right now, the Americans exchanged him for Ivanishvili. For the face has become boring for 8 years. Normally, everything will be with Sahaki.
              2. donRafael
                donRafael 29 October 2012 02: 50 New
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                Allegedly,
                My dear, Mishiko will be taken care of without your help. If the chair of the international tribunal is prepared for him, it will be so. But when you talk about Saakashvili's "atrocities", do not forget to put your country's president in the same chair. Or to remind you of whose orders Grozny was bombed. I think that there were no less atrocities, if not more. So all those who have committed crimes against people will be responsible. If not before a tribunal. then before God - that's for sure.
                1. Allegedly
                  Allegedly 29 October 2012 03: 18 New
                  +4
                  The Chancellor rules in my country ...
                  And if the amers do not give a fair condemnation of the "possessed mishiko", then the special services need to (for example, the special services of Ossetia wink ) find anywhere in the world and punish the killer, yes how Mossad does it. They will not advise bad ...
                  1. thatupac
                    thatupac 29 October 2012 03: 32 New
                    +1
                    Your Chancellor will not do anything without US permission. She will snuff, she will, but she won’t do anything anyway. Game to the public more.
                    1. Allegedly
                      Allegedly 29 October 2012 04: 29 New
                      +2
                      You are only partly right, and then in the small. More than half of all foreign firms working in Russia, building, creating something from Germany. We were not afraid to stretch a gas pipe along the bottom of the sea with Russia. With rare exceptions, they do not fit into any military adventures of Amers. Reduced at times the purchase of US government paper. Recently, pluralism of opinions has been increasingly seen in the press. Within the EU, bills against Russia are almost always blocked. There are many Russophobes, but there are also a lot of Germans who are good Russians, there are Germans absolutely not philologists, but they study the Russian language, Russian literature. I personally know many. Here you can sometimes live a month without applying German. Russian shops, Russian firms, there are Russian houses and neighborhoods ... Naturally, most local Russians have German surnames, but what does it change?
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 51 New
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                  Quote: donRafael
                  If not before the tribunal. then before God - that's for sure

                  Yes, I will have to answer. Only truth is always alone! And she is not on the side of Georgia !!!
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: JACOB
                Dear moderators! Please rate this clowning in a compartment with this clown and respond, please

                When we are in Tbilisi and give an assessment and respond yes He does not name anyone, writes that they hit him in the head.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: donRafael
              And I, my dear, is a participant in the events of which I wrote. And there were no bullying, torture, or similar acts by the Georgian army,

              You didn't say, all the photomontages, well, you must. I read what you write and I regret once again that we did not take Tbilisi. Well, Georgia will get nothing for what we have done and you will still have the opportunity to become a participant in the events. You are probably one of those women and he threw grenades at children in the basements of Tskhinvali, well done - "brave" "warrior" Well, there's nothing we'll be back, don't even hesitate and then you will tell in detail about everything.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: donRafael
          a tebe rossiiskie smi lapshu na ushi naveshali,

          Well, yes they hung us noodles, and you cuffs wink Want to see the pictures of what remained of the brave Georgian warriors, how many were killed there.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 38 New
      +1
      The people stop mincing the dahlia, soon hang three skulls and he can’t say anything at all. All Georgians from Sait were dispersed.
    5. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 1 November 2012 13: 29 New
      0
      The mistake then was a bargain ..... Bolshe Russia will not make mistakes ....... wah!
  34. sapulid
    sapulid 27 October 2012 16: 15 New
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    You know, the "tie eater", for all his inadequacy, carried out magnificent reforms to eradicate corruption in Georgia. For all my dislike of this politician, I should recognize his organizational talent. The good news is that this "little Hitler" was not allowed to turn around in full.
    Hayat Medvedev and Putin, but they stopped the genocide of Abkhazians and Ossetians.
    Only for this, they are worthy of respect.
    Ivanishvili, the next "castrate" of the era of the plundering of Russia, who fled so as not to sit down for his "affairs" ...

    It seems that he still forges the loot with us, therefore, there are methods of influence.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 29 October 2012 02: 46 New
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      All of these reforms were invented, produced, and paid for by the United States. Here Mishiko was present as purely as a Georgian face. And Ivanishvili - his own, American.
    2. Allegedly
      Allegedly 29 October 2012 04: 51 New
      +1
      And what exactly did the "possessed Mishiko" do?

      1. There is no economy as such in the country. Industry killed. Even agriculture is breathing its last, but the vast majority of the population is employed in it. Over 80% of food is imported.

      2. In terms of unemployment, Georgia came out on top among the countries of Southeast Europe. The latent unemployment rate is even higher. Moreover, over the years of Saakashvili’s “reforms,” unemployment has increased even more. Well, who benefited from these "reforms"? Georgians are forced to wander around the world in search of work, being an illegal workforce.

      3. The state also gained nothing from the "reforms". The promised inflow of investments into the "Georgian paradise" did not happen. Despite the "super-liberal tax legislation" that some local fools urge to be guided by. At the same time, the capital outflow from Georgia to offshore has remained (at least).

      4. The budget is formed at the expense of government fees (fines, fees, etc., etc.). Well, where is some kind of "entrepreneurial activity" that Saakashvili's economic freedom should have achieved?

      5. There has never been a rule of law in Georgia, and no, and no one reads these new codes, except students. And even more so does not comply.

      And the fact that after the election, many members of Saakashvili’s team fled abroad is another confirmation of this. They simply do not believe that the law can protect them under the new government. That's why they run. Well, the fact that there is room to escape is a confirmation of the existence of elitist corruption. And to the question of where the budget money went. Moreover, it should be noted that corruption increased significantly under Saakashvili. Under Shevardnadze, officials did not have such opportunities.

      6. There is also no freedom of speech in Georgia. We don’t know much about local realities. Georgian media bark only at the command of the authorities and what is beneficial for them (the authorities). For example, until recently everyone was listening as if Georgia had become an "investment paradise" - now local realities have also begun to criticize unanimously.

      7. The rule of law was not at the highest level. Saakashvili personally raped the Constitution several times, adjusted the laws to suit himself and privatized the country for himself and his team. Pay attention to an interesting detail: Mishiko lost the elections back in 2008. But then he managed to falsify the result. Those. and then the people did not support him either. "Saakashvili's team" has always ignored the will of the people.

      .... As a matter of fact, the only support of the “Saakashvili’s regime” is the grazing of anti-Russian sentiments. Thus, he solves several tactical tasks at once. Firstly, the artificial national consolidation around "oneself". Georgians naturally unite around Sakartvelo, and Saakashvili is simply cowardly hiding behind his homeland. Secondly, “anti-Russianism” is an occasion to write off a bunch of local problems. For example, why is unemployment high? Russia is to blame! Etc.

      Saakashvili, meanwhile, is freely pumping money out of the country - all the same, the problems will be attributed to Russia and the “occupation”. Thirdly, “anti-Russianism” is a distraction for the masses.

      PS I want to say in advance that I copied many links (but I agree with them 100%) ...
  35. AAA
    AAA 28 October 2012 09: 47 New
    +2
    Now in Georgia, any president is like a wedding general. Their amers have long harnessed and chased everyone. It makes no difference who will become president, and the policy of this operetta state will not change. As they say, who pays, he orders the music.
  36. donRafael
    donRafael 28 October 2012 22: 19 New
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    redaqcii voennogo obozrenia, otvet na vashe pismo.
    nam nikto ne zapreshaet dumat po russkii ili na kakom nibud drugom iazike. prosto ia nedavno smenil komp ik nemu prilagalas ne russkaia klaviatura. dumaiu, chto so vremenem ia priobretu klavu s kirilicei. a naschiot obolvanivania mixailom saakashvili svoix sograjdan skaju, chto kto xotel bit bolvanom, tot im i stal i ostalsia. a ia dorogoi moi, uchastnik tex sobitii, o kotorix pisal. i nikakix izdevatelstv, pitok i tomu podobnix deistvii so storoni gruzinskoi armii ne bilo, chego ne mogu skazat o rosiiskix voenoslujashix. no i ix deistvia bili "igrami mladencev" po sravneniu s zverstvami, kotorie chinili po otnosheniu k mestnomu gruzinskomu naseleniu, mestnie separatistki nastroennie boeviki. a ix, kak govoritsia vskormila vasha rossiiskaia voennaia mashina i orujie im v ruki dala ona-je. kakie fakti vi mojete mne privesti, esli ix ne bilo ?! fakti videomontaja? vas tam ne bilo dorogoi moi, a ia tam bil i vsio svoimi glazami videl. a to chto vam suiut vsiakuiu nebilicu vashi smi, vashi internet portali i td, pliunte ne nix s visokoi kolokolni. ia ne za voinu, tak kak ona nikomu ne nesiot polzi. voina eto razrushenia, eto jertvi, eto sliozi rodnix, kotorie poteriali na nei svoix blizkix. ia, kak bivshii specnazovec bolshe skloniaius k miru. a voinu xotiat te, kto nikogda na nei ne bil. ne podumaite, chto ia raskiss, no mne pravdu jal vsex tex pogibshix, kogo nazivaiut mirnimi jiteliami. mne ne jal pogibshix voennix, ni s odnoi i ne s drugoi storoni barikad, tak kak oni sami soznatelno reshili posviatit svoiu jizn slujeniu rodine, no ochen jal nevinnix jertv voini. saakashvili sam polez v etu avantiuru. ego nikto tuda siloi ne tashil, no etomu bili drugie prichini. vi ne bili v osetii ni do ni vo vremia voini. vi ne znaete, chto tam proisxodilo za nedeliu do nachala voennix deistvii. nas obstrelivali osetinskie boeviki iz vsex tipov strelkovogo orujia, v tom chisle i iz krupnokalibernogo. i obstrelivali oni te pozicii, na kotorix bili gruzinskie mirotvorci. a oni tam i doljni bili naxoditsia, po trioxstoronnemu soglasheniu (Russia-gruzia-iujnaia osetia). moi rebiata sliozno prosili, dat im pravo otkrivat ogon na porajenie, no etogo ne delalos do tex por, poka ne pogibli dvoe gruzinskix mirotvorcev. mi, riadovie specnazovci ponimali, chto nas vtiagivaiut v provokaciu, no etogo ne uchli vishestoiashie organi vlasti. oni poddalis na provokacionnie deistvia separatistkix vlastei cxinvali i ix nauskivatelei - rosiiskii generalitet. i kak mne gruzinu ne gorko konstatirovat - pogriazli po-ushi v derme. tak chto dorogoi moi, u kajdogo voennogo konflikta est svoia predistoria, kotoroia skladivaetsia iz precendentov. a precendent sozdali ne gruzini, a rossiiskie voinstvuiushie politiki. vo-pervix eto prenebrejitelnoe otnoshenie k gruzinam na ix-je zemle, vo-vtorix razdacha rossiskix pasportov jiteliam separatistkix regionov. kak ti otreagiruesh na to, chto-bi ia nachal razdavat gruzinskie pasporta naprimer chechencam v chechne, a potom pod predlogom ix zashiti, kak grajdan gruzii, vtorgsia-bi na rossiskuiu teritoriu ?! ti-je tolko, chto podumal, chto rafael navernoe beleni obielsia ?! ti-je menia, pinkom podzad viignal-bi iz chechni, vmeste s moimi pasportami i "ogruzinivshimisia" chechenami a pochemu tebe mojno zanimatsia razdachei pasportov ne na svoei teritorii, a mne nelzia ???? vot tak i provocirovali nas vashi politiki. vina saakashvili v tom chto on poddalsia na eti provokacionnie deistvia rossii i pochemu-to vzial kurs na konfrontaciu, vmesto to, chto-bi vesti dialog i dac informaciu mejdunarodnomu soobshestvu o deistviax ross
    1. donRafael
      donRafael 28 October 2012 22: 30 New
      0
      toje samoe proizoshlo v abxazii v 1992-93-ix godax. tam toje, nekotorie gruzinskie politiki reshili silovimi metodami reshit voprosi. i tam, rossii mojno bilo prvokaciami i nauskivaniem i podstrekatelstvom separatistov na samoopredelenie abxazkogo naroda vershit svoi chiornie dela, a gruzinam nelzia etogo delat? eto i nazivaiut dvoinimi standartami. pochemu chechenam, ingusham, tataram i drugim narodam na teritorii rossii nelzia samoopredeliatsia v plane nezavisimosti, a abxazam i iujnim osetinam na teritorii gruzii mojno? pochemu vam mojno voevat protiv separatizma na severnom kavkaze, a nam gruzinam nelzia? net dorogoi moi - i tebe mojno borotsia s separatizmom, i mne mojno. poimi menia pravilno, ia za normalizaciu i uluchshenie vzaimootnoshenii s vashei stranoi, no eto ne doljno proisxodit vo vred moei strane.
  37. donRafael
    donRafael 28 October 2012 22: 32 New
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    vot vi govorite, chto ne nado jit po ukazke iz vashingtona. a chto, po vashei ukazke jit? po vashei ukazke mi jili 100 i + 70 sovetskix let. mojet xvatit? vi vsegda staralis po svoemu intepretirovat mejgosudarstvennie dogovora s blizkimi sosediami. vam dali pravo zashishat granici gruzii i vashi geopoliticheskie interesi v zakavkazie v 1783 godu, tak vi na etom ne ostanovilis, av 1801 i vovse uprazdnili gruzinskoe carstvo, prisoediniv ego k rossiiskoi imperii. a chego vi xoteli ot nezavisimogo gruzinskogo gosudarstva v 1921 godu? aneksirovali gruziu i prisoedinili eio k sovetskomu soiuzu v 1922-om. toje samoe proizoshlo iv 1990-93 godax. vi nikak ne mogli smiritsia s nezavisimostiu gruzii i vstali na put pooshrenia abxazskogo i iugo-osetinskogo separatizma, dabi derjat v uzde moiu stranu. vi ne tolko s nami tak postupili, no is moldovoi (pridnestrovskii konflikt), ukrainoi (krimskii vopros), azerbaijanom (nagornii karabax). perechisliat dalshe ili ostanovitsia? pochuvstvovali, chto gruzia mojet stat chlenom nato, tak vi sprovocirovali voinu v cxinvali. (kstati eto ne moio lichnoe prepolojenie.ob etom progovorilsia vash prezident). a rukovodstvo moei strani, pogorlo pogriazlo v tom derme, kotoroe vi N-nom kolichestve rasbrosali v zonax konflikta. vot vi pishite, chto vsegda zashishali malie narodi. a ot kogo vi zashishali chechencev? da ladno. ne budu bolshe prodoljat. ia ne obvinitel. da i vzaimoobvinenia ne prinesut ojidaemogo rezultata v dele uregulirovania rossiisko-gruzinskix dobrososedskix otnoshenii. davaite luchshe podskajem svoim pravitelstvam, as luchshe eti vzaimootnoshenia naladit. chestnoe slovo - ia ne vrag rossii, no i drugom ne mogu bit, poka rossia budet provodit svoiu velikoderjavnuiu politiku podstrekatelstva separatizma v moei strane. daite mne vozmojnost samomu vibirat - vipit vodki ili viski, ili ostatsia pri svoix i potiagivat prekrasnoe gruzinskoe vino. mojet posovetuete, kakoe "ili" luchshe.
    1. igor67
      igor67 28 October 2012 22: 35 New
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      donRafael,
      translit.ru
    2. Allegedly
      Allegedly 29 October 2012 02: 51 New
      +5
      When there was the USSR (I can't say that I am a big fan of it, there were both good and not so good ones), Georgia lived like a "tsar on name days", ate with golden forks from golden plates. Nobody took change in stores. There were more Mercedes cars in Georgia than in the rest of the USSR, Volga cars were also much more numerous than in the USSR. Not in terms of quantity), but per capita.
      Personally, I have not bought your wines for 15 years, on the principle that you do not get a penny from me. As I used to love your adjika, your spices, I was even ready to drink tea with adjika. But to see "not destiny" lol , and how would it still produce 50 countries. In short, I did not go hungry. Forgive me for my frankness, but I would have surrounded you with a fence with a thorn on top. I don’t need anything from you, and I don’t want to have anything in common. Love amers and be happy
      love .
      1. donRafael
        donRafael 29 October 2012 03: 00 New
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        Allegedly,
        I won’t persuade you, but you got excited about the thorn. With whom Georgians will feel calmer, they will be with those. Be it Americans, French, or Russians. Personally, I am for the pro-Georgian government.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: donRafael
          With whom Georgians will feel calmer, with those they will

          Well, I wrote it right. There is no independence, there is no sovereignty, there is only an opportunity, for whom it is whit. That's all independence hi
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 29 October 2012 13: 33 New
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        Right! As they say, advice and love! Only if there were no children !!!

        Allegedly
        Love amers and be happy.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 05: 55 New
      +1
      Listen, Georgian spennaz, write in the end in Russian, I wrote the devil’s leg will break. What you’ve written, you want to delete your post. Run to the store and buy a Russian clave, it’s worth a penny.
  38. donRafael
    donRafael 29 October 2012 02: 20 New
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    The same thing happened in Abkhazia in 1992-93. There, too, some Georgian politicians decided to use force to resolve political issues. And there Russia, by provocations, incitement and incitement of the separatists to "self-determination of the Abkhaz people", did its own black deeds, but the Georgians cannot do this? I was a participant in that war too, so I saw well what was happening. You know what is called "double standards". Why are Chechens, Ingush, Tatars and other peoples, on the patience of Russia, unable to self-determine in terms of independence, while Abkhazians and Ossetians on the territory of Georgia can? Why can you fight against separatism in the North Caucasus, while we Georgians cannot? No my dear !!! And you can fight separatism, and I can. Do not misunderstand me - I am for the normalization and improvement of relations with your country, but this should not happen to the detriment of the interests of my country.
    You say you don't have to live on orders from Washington. And what, according to your orders to live? In fact, I am against the decrees "how we should live", from which side they would not come. We lived at your orders for 100 and plus 70 Soviet years. May be enough? You have always tried in your own way to interpret interstate treaties with neighboring states. You were given the right to protect the borders of Georgia and your geopolitical interests in Transcaucasia in 1783, so you did not stop there, and in 1801 you completely abolished the Georgian kingdom, annexing it to the Russian Empire. What did you want from an independent Georgian state in 1921? Annexed Georgia and annexed it to the Soviet Union in 1922. The same thing happened in 1990-93. You couldn't come to terms with the independence of Georgia and took the path of encouraging Abkhaz and South Ossetian separatism in order to keep my country in check. You not only did this to us, but also to Moldova - imposing the Transnistrian conflict on them, Ukraine - raising the Crimean issue from the archives, Azerbaijan - Nagorno-Karabakh. List further or stop? We felt that Georgia could become one of the NATO members, so you provoked the war in South Ossetia, preparing for it long before the armed confrontation between Georgians and Ossetian separatists. By the way, this is not my personal guess - your president let it slip. And the leadership of my country is mired down in the shit that you scattered in the N-number in the conflict zones. Here you write, "that small nations have always defended." And from whom did you protect the Chechens? Come on. I will not continue anymore. I am not an accuser; I am simply stating historical facts. Yes, and you can find facts of accusations of Georgia in the inconsistency of its policy, and mutual accusations will not bring the expected result in the settlement of Russian-Georgian good-neighborly relations. Let's better tell our governments how best to improve these relationships. Honestly, I am not an enemy of Russia, but I can’t be a friend either (and I want to) as long as Russia is pursuing its great-power policy of inciting separatism in my country and while the 10000th contingent of the Russian army will occupy 20% of Georgian lands. ( by the way, this is also not my invention, almost the whole world speaks about it, except for Nicaragua, Venezuela and Nauru). Give me the opportunity to choose for myself - drink vodka or whiskey, or stay with my friends and promote fine Georgian wine. Can you advise which "or" is better? And your country will get a very good neighbor at its southern borders.
    Regards, DonRafael
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 29 October 2012 03: 18 New
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      Well, you made a blunder, my Georgian "truth-bearer". Tatarstan was not given independence, because this led to the gradual disintegration of the country. By 95, the Chechens and Ingush had organized bandit dens and complete chaos on their territories. And if they were separated, they would not have independence, for they would have been included in the alleged all-Caucasian jamaat. Russia supported Abkhazia and South Ossetia because the Abkhaz and Ossetians, realizing that they could not cope with Georgia alone in the struggle for their independence, went to Russia for a protetorate in the form of obtaining Russian passports. And Russia benefited from the fact that the new state needed to retain influence in the Caucasus. You did not let us protect you, but you yourself ran to us with a request to take you under our protection, so that the Turks from the Ottoman Empire would not cut you out for a clean one. And for Adjara, you must thank Russian Imeria, which won Adjara against the Ottoman Empire after the end of the Russian-Turkish war. The USSR subdued you at the behest of your own Georgians: Stalin and Beria (and in general your territory would be independent on the map neither to the village nor to the city). Pridnestrovians wanted independence and turned to Russia for help. Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev in the 50s, although before that Crimea belonged to Russia. They participated in Nagorno-Karabakh so that there was geopolitical influence in the Transcaucasus (therefore, Armenia won). The war was provoked and sponsored by the United States in order to use Georgian soil for NATO-style bases in the Middle East. Our relationship will not improve. Georgia is a country bought with giblets from the USA, a US state, like Alaska or Hawaii. Georgia will do what the US tells them to do. Either the United States will force Georgia to pay on loans-accounts, or Georgia will repeat the fate of today's Greece. For Russia, you are a trifle. No neighbor of you. After the Rose Revolution, you have a new Master - the USA. So hang out with America while they need you because of your geopolitical location.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 October 2012 06: 03 New
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      Quote: donRafael
      And there Russia, by provocations, incitement and incitement of the separatists to "self-determination of the Abkhaz people"

      Listen, and if your bulb goes out at home, Russia will be to blame too.
      Quote: donRafael
      And what, at your order, live?

      the paradox is that you cannot be a full-fledged independent state - NEVER. politics is a dirty thing and the only one who benefits is not Georgia’s dependence is its power. And you just have to sit at your computer to print comprehensive articles about the Russian threat. It’s ridiculous to read, but you choose your future without seeing the consequences, it can and has already led to 08.08.08. Another one such step will be no longer independent Georgia.
  39. Snorri
    Snorri 30 October 2012 14: 21 New
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    Excellent article.
  40. mongol-79
    mongol-79 30 October 2012 23: 32 New
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    Did someone expect another from changing one monkey to another.
  41. XTyJIX
    XTyJIX 1 November 2012 13: 57 New
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    For me, Mr. Polishinelishvi…. uh-uh, I'm sorry, Ivanishvili, is that marked Russian oligarch, by the way the former, whom in their last echelon, in some final actions in the project of "ending the rule of the oligarchy in the Russian Federation" were put in place, i.e. the opportunity to cut loot was lost easily, now they had to earn. He had nothing left to do but knock on the door with the sign "Russophobic Western club of lovers of democratising national countries of the world", although this door was not closed for him from the very beginning. Having received a number of preferences and approvals from the "most democratic" overseas top, and a green corridor, it entered the project of governing one Caucasian country to transform the latter into a controlled democratic parliamentary republic. ... by whom it is clear ...
    We will see what comes of all this.
    One thing is not clear - the people of this Caucasian country are really not tired of empty talk about NATO and the European Union, and can not distinguish traitors from the national leader?
    1. fsps
      fsps 4 November 2012 12: 16 New
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      http://www.apn.ru/publications/article21261.htm
  42. fsps
    fsps 4 November 2012 09: 50 New
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    http://www.apn.ru/publications/article21261.htm