The German IRIS-T missile defense system that fell in Kyiv was passed off by the Ukrainian side as a “downed Russian missile”

The Kyiv regime has traditionally tried to manipulate the public opinion of the population of both independent and Western countries, accusing the Russian side of causing any damage - be it undermining the Nord Stream, sabotage on the Crimean bridge, or destroying urban infrastructure with anti-aircraft missiles.

So, after images of the IRIS-T missiles discovered in Kyiv recently appeared on the Internet, it was stated that “Ukrainian air defense, as a result of effective work, hit a Russian missile.” At the same time, this model is produced in Germany and has recently appeared in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in accordance with the course chosen by Berlin to pump the Kyiv regime with combat systems to combat the RF Armed Forces.

She showed herself very well. It's a really efficient system.

- the head of the regime Zelensky said yesterday about the emergence of a new German system.

Hope to get more IRIS-T units from Germany

- declared in the Ministry of Defense independent.

As a result, a German missile defense system (upper stage) that fell in the urban areas of the Ukrainian capital was passed off as a downed Russian missile.

Attempts to bring down drones and strike missiles already in the city, in conditions of dense buildings, are fraught with self-attacks. This applies to both the work of air defense and the spontaneous activity of “irregular anti-aircraft gunners” in the person of police officers and activists armed with machine guns. There are already reports that as a result of the intense shooting that occurs when drones-kamikaze, several people of Kiev were injured.

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[Thrifty]

The Germans are probably not happy with such anti-advertising! They put the SRK on the monkeys! That's for sure, they gave the stupid a glass genital

[Nexcom]

the Germans have a good excuse - you wrote it yourself - you installed the complex for the Svidomites.
They haven't learned how to use it. And so it’s like the complex is normal, it’s “the fakir was crooked” (c)

[neworange88]

The German IRIS-T missile defense system that fell in Kyiv was passed off by the Ukrainian side as a “downed Russian missile”

Here it is the tactical defeat that Ze-Black Hole promised to inflict on the Russian Army.

[dmi.pris1]

And why didn’t they take a picture that this German rocket hit .. The wall of a residential building, for example

[Charik]

Bukharikov in landing she struck ___________ and in the opinion of the site administration

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dmi.pris

And why didn’t they take a picture that this German rocket hit .. The wall of a residential building, for example

A video flashed a couple of times for about 20 seconds, where Svidomites yell something about drones, then a trail from a rocket taking off, then a mate.
The second day I try to find - they cleaned it up.

Whether that was the moment or not, I don't know. But the picture itself is interesting.

[Borik]

Apparently the Germans forgot to convey the instructions that their anti-aircraft complex cannot be used in the city. You don’t shoot here, you shoot there, otherwise the wreckage will fall on the head.

[Nexcom]

Most likely, Svidomo have a desire to shoot down everything that arrives. That's why they suck at such instructions.

[Terenin]

I will not even refute their "successes". What for? This only emphasizes to others that we are at war and must defeat a not frail enemy.

[neworange88]

Quote: Borik

Apparently the Germans forgot to convey the instructions that their anti-aircraft complex cannot be used in the city. You don’t shoot here, you shoot there, otherwise the wreckage will fall on the head.

The whole joke is that the Germans themselves do not have such "toffees" (SAM IRIS-T) yet in service. They created this system for a long time and now they decided to give it to Ukraine to test it in practice and with the condition that Ukraine will praise it regardless of the results its application, since the Germans need advertising to promote the system and sell it, and Ze and his Co. are something like PR people, but for this they were given "toffees" for free and allowed to use them. Purely my opinion.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Apparently the Germans forgot to hand over the instructions that their anti-aircraft complex cannot be used in the city.

Most likely this is due to not knowing the German language. Fascist concepts were adopted, but the hands did not reach the language.

[Emergency]

Let them immediately write that it is impossible to apply at all.

[tTshka]

The organ was broken, so they also cut their hands)))

[Bolt cutter]

not happy with such anti-advertising!

Judging by the photo, the rocket worked normally - a carbon-fiber (burnt out) engine fell.

[poquello]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

the rocket worked properly

where did it work?

[Bolt cutter]

On target, most likely. The warhead is in pieces, and the empty engine fell to the ground.

[Horon]

If it had worked on target, then the remains of a geranium or a cruise missile would have been lying nearby, but they are not. Well, if only self-destruction when the target is lost is considered regular.

[Bolt cutter]

leftovers lying around

After an 11-kilogram warhead missile was blown up (and most likely, a warhead of a target was blown up) in the air nearby, this is within a radius of 500 meters.

[Horon]

All in all? If there were remnants of a geranium or a cruise missile, then they would hardly have reported the remnants of an air defense missile as fragments of a Russian missile.

[Boycott]

It is written in Russian, the ACCELERATING UNIT is lying around. And where the warhead flew away, only the god of war knows. Maybe it self-destructed, Banderlogs are silent about the success of its use.

[Bolt cutter]

, THE UPPER is lying around

Marching engine, but generally true.

[Nickelium]

Well, where to? I flew into someone's booth.

[Alexander Romanov]

Yesterday, all the lionfish over Kyiv were shot down. There is no information on geraniums. So do not underestimate

[Marconi41]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yesterday, all the lionfish over Kyiv were shot down. There is no information on geraniums. So do not underestimate

It is strange that the people of Kiev do not show our downed missiles, but the Germans please.

[Alexander Romanov]

They show a lot of videos in the carts

[kulemin0025gmail.com]

As they say - whoever needs it, "supposedly" worked there do not ask, as they say, stupid questions

[poquello]

Quote from: kulemin0025gmail.com

As they say - whoever needs it, "supposedly" worked there do not ask, as they say, stupid questions

do not write stupid answers - there will be no stupid questions

[kulemin0025gmail.com]

And you, as I understand it, have smart questions?

[poquello]

Quote from: kulemin0025gmail.com

And you, as I understand it, have smart questions?

it depends )

[neworange88]

The IRIS-T air defense system, even in theory, will not be able to shoot down Geran-2, since there is a thermal seeker that is induced on heat, and Geranium-2 has an engine that does not leave any thermal trace, so even the Patriot air defense system was not seen in 2019 Shahids-136 when attacking Saudi oil refineries, since the Shahid-136 engine left no trace, and the fiberglass airframe itself.

[Bolt cutter]

Patriot SIRK

It has semi-active radar guidance, and the "iris" has a sensitive infrared seeker, and the heat of a 4-cylinder engine is enough for it if the target is close and not from the direction of the sun.

[neworange88]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Patriot SIRK

It has semi-active radar guidance, and the "iris" has a sensitive infrared seeker, and the heat of a 4-cylinder engine is enough for it if the target is close and not from the direction of the sun.

The Patriot air defense systems could not prevent the destruction of the Saudi refineries by these Shaheeds-136.

Recall, on September 14, Saudi Aramco's oil refineries in eastern Saudi Arabia were attacked by drones and, presumably, cruise missiles. As a result, the operation of the facilities was stopped, which led to a decrease in the volume of oil production in the kingdom by 5,7 million barrels per day - that is, production was reduced by half.
Almost immediately after the attack, Western publications drew attention to the fact that not one of the air targets that attacked the factories was intercepted by Patriot systems, which are widely used in Saudi Arabia.

https://russian.rt.com/world/article/669905-patriot-saudovskaya-araviya-zaschita

Another evidence of the effectiveness of Iranian drones from the captain of the American army, Cam McMillan, who directly encountered the "Shaheeds" in Iraq:
This is the most perfect weapon. We underestimated the threat. But it soon became clear that air defense was powerless before him. Some design features make them invulnerable. Even if an Iranian drone can be found, it is very difficult to bring it down. These drones slipped through our strong defenses and attacked critical objects. This is the most serious threat to the Ukrainian army.

https://dzen.ru/media/tri_kita/shahed136-ili-geran2-serezneishaia-ugroza-6321d2ba36e7520d532f3a4d

For the first time, Shahid-136 drones were used in Yemen in 2019 against the oil infrastructure of the Saudis - the world's largest oil refinery was hit. After that, oil production in the kingdom decreased by half. There was a scandal - the vaunted US air defense systems "Patriot" could not cope with moped drones. In Russia and Ukraine they are known as "Geran-2". The sound of a kamikaze, nicknamed "flying moped", is similar to a lawn mower or a moped.

https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/ehto_vo_vsekh_smyslakh_unikalnyj_bespilotnik_kamikadze_oni_ochen_ehffektivny_sharij/60-1-0-13175

the heat of a 4-cylinder engine is enough for him if the target is close and not from the direction of the sun.

Well, well. For MANPADS, the heat trace of Shahid-136 was not enough.

Regarding the miss of the Ukrainian MANPADS, a retired air defense officer of the Indian army, Colonel Shailesh Rai, explained this by the possible absence of an infrared signature for the missile to capture the target. In addition, a simpler explanation was also given. Shahed-136 / Geranium-2 is a drone with virtually low visibility. It does not have a radar on board, and the engine does not leave a noticeable thermal trace so that an anti-aircraft missile can easily capture it in sight
said another expert, Vijainder K. Thakur, a former Jaguar fighter pilot with the Indian Air Force.

https://topcor.ru/28759-na-video-popali-neudachi-ukrainskih-pzrk-protiv-atak-geranej.html

[Bolt cutter]

For MANPADS, the heat trace of Shahid-136 was not enough.

For MANPADS, the finder and equipment are much weaker - the battery is low-power, otherwise it will have to be carried by the three of us (iris-88 kilos). In addition, MANPADS are questionable - hardly the newest.

[neworange88]

In addition, MANPADS are questionable - hardly the newest.

But what about the supply of American-made FIM-92 Stinger systems? Well, I understand that you can prove anything to you. You refuse in a frying pan.

[Bolt cutter]

supply of FIM-92 Stinger systems

He also loses to iris in the power of the seeker - because he is smaller and lighter. Besides
1. Stingers - various modifications and which one was used is unknown.
2. It is unknown if it was the Stinger. and not another MANPADS, of which the dill was given a lot of all sorts.
These are the arguments.

[Roman Efremov]

I also think that the Geranium engine heats up well, especially considering the many hours of flight duration. MANPADS must shoot it down - the problem is that it flies very low, appears suddenly, and the operator simply does not have enough time to capture the target with the missile head.

[Battair]

By the way, as I understand it, Geranium has an internal combustion engine, for normal operation it must be well warmed up and then the question arises, how will it behave (if it really comes from a hot country) in winter, at sub-zero temperatures, and even at altitude and additionally blown by cold wind.?

[malyvalv]

First, the engine is relatively small. Secondly, it is air-cooled. That is, the radiator is "wrapped" around the cylinders. While in a water-cooled engine, the engine as the hottest part is separate and the radiator is cooler separately. The thermal signature of an air-cooled engine would theoretically be much smaller.

[dmi.pris1]

For these missiles. Yes, there is an aviation, ground version (the one that was installed). For the Navy, there is more, it seems. For them, this is a good opportunity to check the complex in a combat situation

[Charik]

in the photo aviation? and in the ground the same?

[Bolt cutter]

is it the same on the ground?

The same, but with a discarded solid-propellant booster, so that the rocket develops speed, as when launched from an airplane.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Only the missile is different, ground-based from the air defense system -

[Illanatol]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Judging by the photo, the rocket worked normally - a carbon-fiber (burnt out) engine fell.

If it worked properly and hit the target, then where is the photo of the downed target?
Otherwise - just blah blah blah.

[MBRSS]

well, yes, only for some reason the main engine, and even with steering mechanics, was called the "upper stage" in the article. Some journalist called, and the rest copy-paste ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Thrifty

glass penis

Fu, how not aesthetically pleasing! Here the Chinese express themselves more poetically on this topic: "Jade Rod"!

[novel66]

give a Ukrainian a jade rod ..... will it break something too?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: novel xnumx

give a Ukrainian a jade rod ..... will it break something too?

There is nothing in the world that is unbearable for breaking xox with a scrap! Break, don't build!

[Real Pilot]

The issue of anti-advertising is probably exaggerated. This is a photo of the upper stage, the first stage. And the warhead with guidance tools went further, nothing is known about its fate ... That is, we cannot judge the effectiveness of the missile itself from the photo, to be honest.

But the stories about the "downed Russian rocket" under such a photo are, of course, a gross fake. That is, the rocket could potentially be shot down by the German system, but it certainly wasn’t!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: RealPilot

The issue of anti-advertising is probably exaggerated. This is a photo of the upper stage, the first stage. And the warhead with guidance tools went further, nothing is known about its fate ...

This is not an accelerating block, but an engine block with a characteristic plumage. It stands between the block of control rudders (5) and the blocks of the IR seeker, fuse and warhead (1-3).

So it is impossible to drop it - without it, three head blocks can only fly in pure ballistics. Because all the organs responsible for changing the flight path of the rocket will leave with the engine when reset.

[Charik]

Germans (people) most likely don’t give a damn about Ukraine, but who shoots from IRIS there, this is interesting

[mishaia_23]

They put the SRK on the monkeys! That's for sure, they gave the stupid a glass genital
Technique in the hands of a savage piece of scrap metal. ..

[MBRSS]

Not the fact that this is a fragment of IRIS-T. At least there are differences with the pictures of IRISs from the net. And it seems small against the background of withered leaves.

[Petr_Koldunov]

And why the Internet, people turned off? Did the civilian forelocks not rush to identify
"downed rocket"?
Is this strange ... or are they immediately shot for trying to verify information received from the authorities? I won't be surprised...

[poquello]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

And why the Internet, people turned off?

))))))) judging by the thinned ranks of cisso workers - periodically yes

[Charik]

Yes, Vladimir recently appeared here - Vladimir 80 first, in a couple of days Vladimir 100 and let's talk about: rockets ran out and all that, I tell him, when you grow up to Vladimir 999, then I'll believe

[Alex koch]

So with such photos you can identify in different ways, for example, as 9M317 from BUK or generally Belarusian 9M38

[kulemin0025gmail.com]

From the photos on social networks, you can identify anything

[Charik]

but now everywhere for trying to find out or tell the truth, they can give a term, so -tststst

[Scharnhorst]

Isn't it time for the Russian Aerospace Forces to resume mass production of the Il-2 so that the pilots can freely hunt for any trucks larger than the Gazelle in the front line. This is to the fact that until now, any weapons and in any quantities are being brought from that side of the front ...

[sifgame]

Well, yes, you don’t need to train pilots, it’s enough for the military commissar to register in the wartander and deanonymize the players with the highest rating))

[vadimtt]

I'll say this, nobody fucking will fly after Varthander, Microsoft flightsim and DCS Although after the last volume of theory can be significantly reduced.

PS: But for operators of aircraft-like strike UAVs, it’s quite an option

[Alexey RA]

Quote: vadimtt

I'll say this, nobody fucking will fly after Varthander, Microsoft flightsim and DCS

No, they can fly. If they take off.
I now remember how twice in my hearts I demolished the "IL-2" - at first it constantly fought on takeoff, then - on landing.

[MBRSS]

I'll say this, nobody fucking will fly after Varthander, Microsoft flightsim and DCS

You are wrong. Already flew. The task was to take off, turn around and land. With an instructor, of course. ALL participants completed the task. It was 5-8 years ago.
I tried to find an understanding about this contest through Google, but the search throws out the wrong thing .. :(
PS Yes, before this flight, the players had no experience of real flights.

[vadimtt]

Very strange, because there is no connection of the "fifth point". Pilots have a lot and a lot to do with body feedback.
Although, it took off, turned around, sat down, and maybe it’s quite simple only according to visual information and instruments, I haven’t tried it, I myself only in simulators

[MBRSS]

Yeah, I was also very surprised that this is possible. Mainly because on a real car, in addition to the steering wheel, there are also pedals and a gas lever. There are, of course, similar gaming kits, but they are not made for every aircraft model. Perhaps the participants were given a ride on an industrial simulator before being put into the cockpit. But that they were selected from gamers - for sure.
In general, prof. pilots speak positively about modern computers. simulators and take part in their testing :))

[sifgame]

I watched a relatively long time ago, a TV show, they took a fighter pilot, a GA pilot and a simulator player champion. Whoever flies on a real simulator simulator, either a Boeing or a watermelon, it doesn’t matter on a passenger one. They created some difficulties there due to turbulence, side wind during landing. Naturally, the GA pilot did the best job, but both the fighter and the player did not just perfectly, but the instructor said that he would have accepted this task from them.

[Simple]

A rocket worth 400 tons of Euro for some kind of "Geranium"
Schaub, I lived like that.

[Nexcom]

Duc Svidomo what, every shot of a rocket out of his personal pocket or something pay? After all, no. That's why they don't care how much this rocket costs - they will still beg.
Well, or again Scholz will be crap verbally - he will give them back for that

[MakStVik]

So if for free, you can have a million geraniums

[Simple]

Send sicker "geraniums", let Scholz choke.

[poquello]

Quote: Simple

A rocket worth 400 tons of Euro for some kind of "Geranium"
Schaub, I lived like that.

normal, normal, Europeans pay

[Simple]

The great-great-grandchildren of Europeans will still pay for this adventure (I mean support for the neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine) - the name "Europeans" will remain, for the rest - I'm not sure.

[sifgame]

they lend at interest, for each bolt they will then deduct.

[Egoza]

Quote: sifgame

they lend at interest, for each bolt they will then deduct.

So there will be no demand from anyone. That is why Ukrainians part with them so easily. They know that the Russian Federation will get everything, and the memory will go to the former owners.

[MBRSS]

They know that the Russian Federation will get everything, and the memory will go to the former owners.

Far from a fact. Even Owls. After the revolution, Russia had to negotiate on royal debts, and we live, you know, in what state. In addition, do we need the ENTIRE territory, with a disloyal population, is a big question.

[poquello]

Quote: sifgame

they lend at interest, for each bolt they will then deduct.

there will be no one to deduct from, but they still owe us

[sifgame]

Well, they fight on credit and don’t look at the price tags, but the Ukrainians who will live in the formation of Ukraine after the end of the NWO will pay for all this.

[alexey sidykin]

Nothing out of the ordinary, just like always. This is not the first time they have done this.

[Bingo]

Malatsy! Now they won’t buy Toffees from you either, like Bayraktars from the Turks)))

[kulemin0025gmail.com]

And what do you suggest? can capitulate to us?

[Victor Gusev]

Nothing. I just asked. And I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

[Egoza]

Quote: Viktor Gusev

Nothing. I just asked. And I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

There are some people who immediately decided after the coup, especially according to the historical past - Donbass and Co. They were shelled, bombed, killed for 8 years. Unfortunately, despite the support of volunteers from different countries, the Russian Federation then decided to negotiate. Minsk-1, Minsk-2... As a result, a minority from Western Ukraine grew stronger, which always gravitated towards Europe, but at the same time wanted the rest of Ukraine to work for them. This is what fascist nationalists are. They spread all over the country and organized their groups. And those who want to rob and live at someone else's expense can be found among any nation. Now there are mobilized against their will, but their families are actually held hostage. That's why it turns out - mobilized against their will, but behind their backs with machine guns the Nazis. Add more propaganda that has been brainwashing for almost 30 years, and especially since the age of 14. Here is the result. Did I explain clearly?

[MBRSS]

Victor Gusev, alas, the stupid foreign policy of our government and even less smart - the blood authorities, led to this meat grinder. So far, only the United States has won. We are now forced to fight to victory (or let the whole world into dust).

[Wildcat]

Have mercy on me, God, but there is a use for Iranian mopeds with wings!

The modern air defense system is engaged in shooting rattles from the internal combustion engine, Mr., sticks and explosives. And does not cover the troops on the LBS.
And let's not forget the price - "taffy" from Irist costs as much as a Lamborghini (under 400 thousand cu. ), not like a moped with wings .

[Revolver]

Passed out for a Russian rocket? And why not for Iranian or North Korean? Here, after all, there is such scope for a flight of fancy, as if the Russians have run out of their missiles, so now they are being supplied by rogue states. For a senile Biden will give a ride as an excuse to send another thread. Cypso failed.

[nordscout]

The first question is - will the deliveries of weapons, military equipment and ammunition from the West continue in this way? Are we unable to stop THIS flow? Or are our soldiers and civilians "guinea pigs" for testing on themselves all the "joys" of the impact of this "Western aid"? Or did the Supreme Commander decide to "run in" on our contingent, on the Ukrainian theater of operations, tactical methods of waging war with NATO, using all the "updating" models of NATO weapons coming to the front? Isn't it expensive, from the point of view of our l / s "biathlon"? Although....

[Zoer]

And who are the operators of this funderwaffle? Really forelocks have already managed to train?

[Eule]

Quote: Roman Efremov

I think that the Geranium engine heats up well

In fact, the GOS is first aimed at the "thermal trace", that is, the flow of warm air from the engine, which in aircraft is heated with a power of a thousand kilowatts, and the piston "geranium" is approximately a few kilowatts. That is already three orders of magnitude less air heating.
Plus the temperature of the engine itself, it is a maximum of 200 - 300 degrees, against 1300 on the blades of the aircraft turbine. And thermal radiation is the fourth power of temperature, if I remember correctly.
At first I wondered why the Iranians did not put the motor in the center of the airframe, with the air intakes up, and a long shaft to the propeller, completely covering it from heat guidance from the ground? But then I realized that they were just counting the cost and did not add two more bearings.

[MBRSS]

the engine in the tail partially balances the warhead, probably. It is also better to keep it away from fuel.

[andry]

here we are constantly destroying c300 from them, I think toffee, too, will not live long, of course, her characteristics are not bad, but if you attack massively, you won’t be able to cope

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: RealPilot

The issue of anti-advertising is probably exaggerated. This is a photo of the upper stage, the first stage. And the warhead with guidance tools went further, nothing is known about its fate ...

This is not an accelerating block, but an engine block with a characteristic plumage. It stands between the block of control rudders (5) and the blocks of the IR seeker, fuse and warhead (1-3).

So it is impossible to drop it - without it, three head blocks can only fly in pure ballistics. Because all the organs responsible for changing the flight path of the rocket will leave with the engine when reset.

Thanks for the information!

[Two]

Shiry wizards these Svidomo! They will cast a bullet out of shit without grimacing ...