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The Russian command is preparing Kherson for defense against the backdrop of information about a large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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The Russian command is preparing Kherson for defense against the backdrop of information about a large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The civilian population from Kherson will be evacuated, the city itself will be turned into a fortress before heavy battles with the enemy. According to intelligence, Kyiv will take the city at any cost, such a task has been set by Washington.


A number of Russian and Ukrainian resources, as well as military experts and even military correspondents, declare that Kherson is being prepared for defense. According to the disseminated information, the command of the Russian grouping decided to evacuate the civilian population from Kherson and its environs to other Russian cities in order to avoid civilian casualties. The city itself is being turned into a fortress to be defended.

As stated, in the near future Kyiv will drive its troops on the offensive with the task of taking Kherson at any cost. This task was set by Washington in the summer, but the "great strategist" Zelensky was unable to implement it. And Biden and the Democrats before the midterm elections need to show that it is not in vain that so many billions have swelled into Ukraine, the territories are being "reconquered."

Although the information about the evacuation of the civilian population is unofficial, it really has been going on, and for quite a long time. Those wishing to completely leave the city will be issued housing certificates, the rest go to the nearby cities of the Crimea or the Krasnodar Territory. At the same time, new units are being introduced into the city itself, military equipment is being pulled in. The city can become one big springboard for the further offensive of our troops after the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The front is being strengthened against the backdrop of ongoing attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to break through to Berislav and Kherson. It can be expected that before the midterm elections in the United States, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be driven into an attack in the Kherson and Zaporozhye directions. Therefore, if intelligence has such information, it is better to take civilians out of the zone of upcoming battles in advance

- wrote military expert Boris Rozhin in his TG channel.

In the meantime, the statements of the commander of the NMD, General Surovikin, are being published. According to him, the enemy strikes at critical infrastructure, endangering the lives of ordinary people. The possibility of the use of prohibited ammunition by the enemy at the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station is noted.

From the statement:

Under these conditions, the army will ensure the safe exit of the population under the resettlement program. Our further actions will depend on the current situation. She's tough today. Saving lives is a priority for us. I do not rule out making the most difficult decisions.
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  1. corrado
    corrado 18 October 2022 20: 38
    +3
    Here in this cluster and send a swarm of Geraniums! I mean VSUk.
    1. figwam
      figwam 18 October 2022 20: 43
      +8
      There is information about the possibility of Kyiv using prohibited methods of war in the Kherson region, preparing a missile attack on the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

      Surovikin

      Further actions in relation to Kherson will depend on the emerging military-tactical situation, it is not easy, and difficult decisions cannot be ruled out.

      Surovikin


      Statement by the Acting Governor of the Kherson region Balance:

      “There is an immediate risk of flooding of the territories due to the planned destruction of the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and the release of water from a cascade of power plants upstream of the Dnieper. In such a situation, I made a difficult but correct decision to announce the organized movement of the civilian population of Berislav, Belozersky, Snigiryovsky and Aleksandrovsky municipalities to the left bank of the Dnieper.

      This decision was caused by the creation of large-scale defensive fortifications so that any attack was repulsed. Where the military operates, there is no place for civilians. Let the Russian army do its job.

      Under these conditions, our key task is to save human lives and allow the troops of the Russian Federation to effectively perform their functions to protect the Kherson region. We will take the civilian population to the left bank in an organized, stage-by-stage manner.”
      1. azkolt
        azkolt 18 October 2022 21: 03
        +10
        Hitting the dam, it's not even hitting the bridge, it just unties the hands!
        1. Nikolay310
          Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 18
          -34
          another red line do you even believe in it?
          1. Astra55
            Astra55 18 October 2022 23: 26
            -24
            Judging by the evacuation of the population and the issuance of certificates for housing in Russia, the Right Bank is being prepared for delivery. So we agreed that the future border will pass along the Dnieper in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.
            It is not clear what will happen to Kherson, it is still on the Right Bank. I think that Kherson will be ours, but in exchange we will have to give them the ZNPP from the Left Bank.
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 18 October 2022 23: 55
              -15
              It is impossible to turn Kherson into a fortress and conduct long-term battles.
              Communication only by ferries - the bridges are damaged.
              This means that it is impossible to establish the supply of the group.
              As soon as a queue accumulates in front of the ferry, artillery and Himars will hit it.

              Apparently, our preliminary consider the possibility of leaving Kherson.
              The population is evacuated to avoid massacres by the nationalists.
              1. saigon
                saigon 19 October 2022 09: 22
                +5
                If you wish, you can still supply the garrison, artillery and himars, of course, but we don’t have artillery? Okay, the main mustache is gone, right?
              2. Mitrich73
                Mitrich73 19 October 2022 09: 35
                +3
                At night, things are not so clear. Moreover, there are transport helicopters. The construction of pontoon bridges in several places allows you to maintain the possibility of supplying the group even with artillery impact. Camouflage and secrecy mode allows you to level the accuracy of missiles.
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 19 October 2022 12: 55
                  -3
                  What kind of pontoons are you talking about when the river is more than a kilometer wide and its strongest current is there?
                  All communication is only on ferries, they have said more than once.
                  And will you deliver a lot of fuel and food by helicopters?
                  1. Mitrich73
                    Mitrich73 19 October 2022 14: 32
                    +2
                    One pontoon bridge crew can deploy a pontoon bridge up to 1200 meters long. If the current is too strong, then ferries from the PMP will be used, with a carrying capacity of up to 120 tons. The flow rate depends on the volume of water discharged through the hydroelectric dam, if the dam is not damaged, then the speed can be adjusted. This will ensure the passage of the necessary supplies for the grouping of troops. The MI-26 helicopter takes on board up to 20 tons of cargo, taking into account the small delivery shoulder, it can make several flights per day.
                  2. Petr_Koldunov
                    Petr_Koldunov 19 October 2022 14: 34
                    +4
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    And will you deliver a lot of fuel and food by helicopters?

                    A lot of. The only question is the intensity and number of walkers. In 1948, the Americans and the British supplied the huge West Berlin in abundance with food, water, fuel, promotional goods, building materials, household goods ... and everything they could! - exclusively by air.
                    Moreover, it was necessary to fly not 10-15 km, but 250-300 km. And it was necessary to supply not a couple of tens of thousands of fighters, but two and a half million people.
                    And these 2,5 million were fully provided with ~ 1500 flights per day. Just think how many flights per day will be needed to provide even 50th grouping! (despite the fact that ferries and pontoons have not been canceled).
          2. azkolt
            azkolt 19 October 2022 20: 38
            -2
            Do you even imagine the level of all this, no matter what the red line is? And of course, these lines are like an elastic band from cowards.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 19 October 2022 00: 11
          +1
          Quote: azkolt
          Hitting the dam, it's not even hitting the bridge, it just unties the hands!

          It will be + 5-7m above the ordinary ... Water will flood all our defenses, equipment, trenches ... This is essentially a mini tsunami on the banks of the Dnieper! If this happens, it will be the defeat of our right-bank grouping, which was preparing for "Stalingrad" on the Dnieper.
          Therefore, in my humble opinion, it is necessary at all costs (!) to prevent such a development of events! For this:
          1. It is necessary to hang the A-50, A-100, MiG-31 on duty in the flying radar mode in this section of the theater of operations, so that at the slightest movement of the Ukronats, the VKS can suppress their MLRS and artillery, and also intercept the remaining Tochki-U.
          2. And even better - repeat to them on February 24, according to the type of Zhukov's strike on the eve of the Battle of Kursk ...
          3. And by all means suppress Starlink and EW all NATO intelligence for the period of the preemptive strike.
          But, in any case, the ladies need a furor on the eve of the November congressional elections ... Everything is paid for. According to the Pentagon-Biden, it's time to collect dividends! yes
          IMHO.
          1. bayard
            bayard 19 October 2022 22: 21
            +1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            It will be + 5-7m above the ordinary ... Water will flood all our defenses, equipment, trenches ... This is essentially a mini tsunami on the banks of the Dnieper! If this happens, it will be the defeat of our right-bank grouping, which was preparing for "Stalingrad" on the Dnieper.

            That's right, that's what counts. And worst of all, they can launch mines along the Dnieper tonight. If you do not have time to set up boom net barriers (anchored barges and nets between them, even fishing ones), then only the abandonment of the bridgehead will remain. What would not be desirable.
            This would not have happened if we had managed to take Nikolaev on the move in February-March. But we will not have sufficient forces for the offensive until the middle of winter. Or rather, in the spring. All this time, you will either have to keep a bridgehead repelling all attacks, incl. to the dam, or retreat across the Dnieper and accumulate strength until next spring. But by retreating from the bridgehead, we will give the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the United States a much-needed victory on the eve of the US elections.
            If we could inflict a massive defeat on them from the air - with all types of UAVs and aviation, and squeeze the enemy to their original positions before their "counteroffensive" ... but I'm afraid that we won't have enough strength for this.
            It is unlikely that it will be possible to hit Kyiv now - there is not enough grouping. And it would be good.
      2. poquello
        poquello 18 October 2022 21: 38
        -9
        Quote: figvam
        Further actions in relation to Kherson will depend on the emerging military-tactical situation, it is not easy, and difficult decisions cannot be ruled out.

        Surovikin

        still to understand, is Surovikin city preparing for defense or Abramovich for surrender
        “The Peace Party is ready to surrender Kherson for the sake of a compromise with the United States, political scientist Pavel Salin publicly stated this on the mouthpiece of this party, the Brif telegram channel.
        https://www.politnavigator.net/ehkspert-neuzheli-surovikinu-svyazali-ruki.html
        1. Former soldier
          Former soldier 18 October 2022 21: 53
          +8
          Peace Party for the sake of a compromise with the United States is ready to surrender Kherson

          In vain does the peace party hope. They can promise. But there will be no compromise.
          1. poquello
            poquello 18 October 2022 22: 01
            -2
            Quote: Former soldier
            Peace Party for the sake of a compromise with the United States is ready to surrender Kherson

            In vain does the peace party hope. They can promise. But there will be no compromise.

            yes, it would be somehow more pleasant - in vain the peace party hopes that Kherson will be handed over
          2. Sid2014
            Sid2014 18 October 2022 23: 00
            -5
            And what did they say about the mercenaries and commanders of Azov. Don't remember??? And now they are resting in Turkish resorts. HERE!!!
        2. Stepan S
          Stepan S 18 October 2022 22: 09
          -28
          And they'll give up. Apparently, according to the statements - the decision has already been made to surrender.
          1. poquello
            poquello 18 October 2022 22: 29
            +7
            Quote: Stepan S
            And they'll give up. Apparently, according to the statements - the decision has already been made to surrender.

            on what statements?
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 18 October 2022 23: 58
              -8
              Are you not embarrassed by the applications for the issuance of housing certificates to residents of Kherson and the mass evacuation of the population?
              Conclusions must be made. From this and do.
              It is impossible to hold the city - the supply is disrupted and the grouping there is small.
              Then the autumn-spring season begins - rains, mud, slush.
              The Armed Forces of Ukraine will start hitting infrastructure and energy facilities there. The population will suffer.
              And that's at least.
              1. poquello
                poquello 19 October 2022 00: 33
                +11
                Quote: Osipov9391
                The population will suffer.

                so they evacuate
                Quote: Osipov9391
                It's impossible to keep the city

                why would? )
                Quote: Osipov9391
                the group is small

                sufficient for defense
                Quote: Osipov9391
                Then the autumn-spring season begins - rains, mud, slush.

                in in, in the mud on the offensive to crawl)))))))))))
          2. Former soldier
            Former soldier 19 October 2022 01: 33
            0
            Apparently, according to the statements - the decision has already been made to surrender.
            .
            Where is it? What will follow the "surrender of Kherson"? ...............Here.
            1. ASDASD
              ASDASD 19 October 2022 15: 22
              -1
              Quote: Former soldier
              Where is it? What will follow the "surrender of Kherson"? ...............Here.

              Nothing will follow, just as the extraction of Azov did not follow.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 18 October 2022 21: 46
      +4
      there are heavier products for this, but it makes sense to hit ammunition depots, tankers, etc., now some kind of kamikaze with a range of 100 km would be at the disposal of the troops, but so that the production of 250 per month would be ...
    3. Bulgarian_5
      Bulgarian_5 19 October 2022 00: 54
      +5
      Now the exact moment has appeared forever to defeat the Nazi bastard on the outskirts of the territory! Good luck fight!
    4. gsev
      gsev 19 October 2022 03: 00
      -11
      Geraniums won't help. It is necessary to use nuclear weapons in Western Ukraine. Until we knock out from 0,5 to 2 million Ukrainians, one can only dream of the de-Nenazification of Zelensky and Kolomoisky. It looks like the US, Israel and the West are ready to supply any weapons to Ukraine.
  2. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 18 October 2022 20: 39
    +41
    A reasonable decision to prepare the city for the defense and evacuation of civilians! Stay safe guys, stay safe!
  3. dnestr74
    dnestr74 18 October 2022 20: 39
    -39
    In my opinion, he is being prepared for surrender ((((A very strange statement by the commander of the group, plus certificates for housing, whoever wants, the campaign is being exchanged.
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 18 October 2022 20: 51
      +10
      Quote: dnestr74
      In my opinion, he is being prepared for surrender ((((A very strange statement by the commander of the group, plus certificates for housing, whoever wants, the campaign is being exchanged.

      In this case, time will tell.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 18 October 2022 20: 55
      +3
      Quote: dnestr74
      In my opinion it is being prepared for delivery ((((

      This is according to you, in Sumerian. It's been a week since the evacuation was announced. To untie their hands and all week they hammer the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to "probe" the defense
      1. dnestr74
        dnestr74 18 October 2022 20: 59
        -9
        In my opinion, in Sumerian ?? I served in Transnistria from 92 to 96, the second company 1999-2000,
        You just need to sometimes think with your head, and not trust our authorities
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 18 October 2022 21: 02
          -8
          Why don't you stsysh subnestrovki? I do not believe in your words. I personally know the general who was there. My classmate. And your presence there is not supported by anything
          1. dnestr74
            dnestr74 18 October 2022 21: 15
            +8
            What general? Popov or Lebed? I had the honor to personally greet both of them while being on duty in the company.
            And you don't have to prove anything.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 18 October 2022 21: 40
              -5
              This is your delusion, mister alarmist.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 19 October 2022 07: 13
              +5
              Quote: dnestr74
              I had the honor of personally greeting both of them being on duty in the company

              Yes, here half of VO went through three Chechnya, two Transnistria and in all Nigerias sat in pits for 70 days, and the second half with Lebed himself took a steam bath more than once!
              So it's not a fact.
              Quote: dnestr74
              I served in Transnistria from 92 to 96, the second company 1999-2000,

              hi
    3. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 18 October 2022 20: 57
      +19
      to defense, and not to surrender, learn to read and listen, and do not disperse panic
      1. Nikolay310
        Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 19
        -8
        yes, yes, Kupyansk and Izyum were also preparing for defense, cows were transferring reserves ... we heard it already
        1. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 18 October 2022 21: 21
          +9
          Have you heard about the evacuation of Kupyansk and Izyum? The answer is known, you haven’t heard, because these cities were not prepared for defense
    4. flicker
      flicker 18 October 2022 20: 58
      +10
      In my opinion it is being prepared for delivery ((((
      Nobody prepares for surrender. Another thing is that it is necessary to prepare for street battles (it will not be superfluous), and in this situation it is better for civilians (and it may be different - we will not let them into the city) to evacuate.
      And so no one is going to hand over the city. But what kind of dirty trick is the Anglo-Saxon enemy ready for?
      1. Nikolay310
        Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 20
        -12
        armageddon said that difficult decisions are possible ... in my opinion, he almost directly uttered the word retreat ... but why listen? it is better to live in your fantasies and dreams about the soon capture of Warsaw ...
        1. flicker
          flicker 18 October 2022 21: 36
          +6
          armageddon said
          Firstly, not "Armageddon", but Surovikin.
          Because the nickname "Armageddon" already unequivocally implies a strictly defined mode of action. So you, it is you in your "fantasies and dreams", deprive him of flexibility and expediency in making decisions - and then you and those like you will start yelling, surrendered, leaked, etc.
        2. Sergey_52
          Sergey_52 18 October 2022 21: 42
          +1
          .in my opinion, he almost directly pronounced the word retreat

          And in my imagination, obviously someone else ...
        3. YanniKounnar
          YanniKounnar 18 October 2022 22: 30
          +2
          Decision difficile cela peut aussi vouloir dire ...raser Kiev ? non?
          Si l'Ukraine noyait la région il est fort probable que "la décision difficile mais nécessaire"
          serait de raser Kiev (c'est à dire appliquer la méthode de l'otan/usa ) en réponse ...

          yandex
          A tough decision could also mean ... raze Kyiv to the ground? Not ?
          If Ukraine drowned the region, it is very likely that "difficult but necessary decision"
          it would be to raze Kyiv to the ground (i.e., apply the NATO / USA method) in response ...
      2. Genry
        Genry 18 October 2022 21: 24
        +9
        Quote: flicker
        Another thing is that it is necessary to prepare for street battles (it will not be superfluous), and in this situation it is better for civilians (and it may be different - we will not let them into the city) to evacuate.

        Most likely it will be like in Donetsk, but the Ukrainians will fire furiously - that's why the evacuation.
        In Donetsk, before the start of the NWO, evacuation was also announced and carried out.
        1. flicker
          flicker 18 October 2022 21: 42
          +8
          Most likely it will be like in Donetsk, but the Ukrainians will fire furiously - that's why the evacuation
          "Most likely" they will not enter the city and will fire. At least no one is going to let them in there, but you need to prepare for any situations, it’s better to stay safe.
    5. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer 18 October 2022 21: 02
      +4
      “In my opinion it is being prepared for delivery”

      It looks like it. After the statement of the commander of the grouping, in which he repeated several times that the lives of our servicemen are more important and not simple decisions are possible, it became nasty at heart.
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 18 October 2022 21: 44
        +2
        And now just assume that the Anglo-Saxons are ready to sacrifice anything and anyone to solve their momentary problems. Admitted? Then imagine that they will begin to dispose of tactical nuclear charges so as not to lead back, because it is expensive. Or use dirty bombs. In such a situation, the answer of our commander-in-chief will not be simple in any way. Do you agree?
    6. cold wind
      cold wind 18 October 2022 21: 10
      -25
      There are no ways to keep Kherson and the bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper. Bridges and dams cannot be operated, navigation will stop in December, but there will not be enough ice thickness to create a crossing. For about two months, the supply will be possible only by helicopters. This will lead to the destruction of our entire grouping on the right bank. The only solution is to evacuate the civilians then the personnel of our troops. This is less than two months away. The report is over.
      1. Nikolay310
        Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 22
        -13
        well, at least someone knows that there is ice on the Dnieper ... otherwise the Vargonzo group did not hear about it ... according to the patriots, the rivers do not freeze in winter ...
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 18 October 2022 22: 15
          +8
          There is ice on the Dnieper.
          Hard ice almost never occurs in Kherson.
        2. Lukachevsky
          Lukachevsky 19 October 2022 00: 54
          +5
          Quote: Nikolay310
          well, at least someone knows that there is ice on the Dnieper ... otherwise the Vargonzo group did not hear about it ... according to the patriots, the rivers do not freeze in winter ...

          Well, the couch strategist, of course, knows better :)))). That's just near Kherson, the Dnieper does not freeze.
      2. Drotro
        Drotro 18 October 2022 21: 26
        -10
        It is clear that such speeches are preparing people for the fact that one of the possible solutions is surrender.
        And then what will they do?
        So you can retreat to Moscow.
        Again, the meaning of the referendums will disappear.

        Or they will say - we will return in the spring, in the summer. But no one believes in anything. Talking won't solve the problem. Only some correct actions.
      3. Piligrim
        Piligrim 18 October 2022 21: 47
        0
        The position is clear.
        Will you order to buy white sheets, cover yourself with everyone and slowly crawl to the cemetery?
      4. Negro
        Negro 18 October 2022 23: 12
        -3
        Quote from cold wind
        The only solution is to evacuate the civilians then the personnel of our troops.

        Small clarification. "Civilians" are not particularly eager to evacuate to the Far Eastern hectare, and those who were eager have long been in Berlin.
        1. cold wind
          cold wind 18 October 2022 23: 56
          -1
          They have nowhere to go, the Kakhovka dam will be blown up, the lands will be flooded, Surovikin clearly said this. This is in addition to cooperating with the Russian Federation.
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          2. Negro
            Negro 19 October 2022 00: 01
            +2
            In Kakhovka, the backwater level is low, the sea is nearby, and just on the left bank there is a huge swampy floodplain. Let it flood itself.

            By the way. Does everyone understand that the descent of the Kakhovka reservoir is the end of the Crimean Canal forever? Another brilliant result of a brilliant operation.
            1. Liam
              Liam 19 October 2022 00: 17
              0
              Quote: Negro
              the descent of the Kakhovka reservoir is the end of the Crimean Canal

              He loves the end.
              Quote: Negro
              forever

              But it depends on how this war will end and what will be the fate of the Crimea. It may turn out that it will work again)
              1. Negro
                Negro 19 October 2022 00: 29
                -2
                Quote: Liam
                Maybe it will work again)

                Well, I'm not that optimistic. But we'll see, of course.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 19 October 2022 00: 35
                  -1
                  This is more banter than optimism)

                  But one of the henchmen of Rothschild read or heard recently a curious thought ... whoever comes to power on 1/8 of the land ... will be very interested that the Ukrainians decide this issue for him ... that he would wash his hands in general
      5. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 04
        +7
        In the dry subtropics (the steppe zone of the Crimea and Kherson) there is no winter.
        Not from the word at all. Autumn gives way to spring at the end of January-February.
        Temperatures below zero are rare.
        Rain, sleet, mud and mud. This is what will be ahead.
        As a rule, the Dnieper does not freeze there, but from November to April it is very cold there.
        There is no ice there, only a crust can form during frost.
        1. cold wind
          cold wind 19 October 2022 00: 24
          -1
          You are confusing something, Kherson has a continental temperate climate, with winter. Subtropics to the south, at the latitude of Bulgaria-Georgia, even Sochi with the Crimea is not included there yet. The Dnieper in the lower reaches (near Kherson) freezes for 2-3 months, from January to March, depending on the weather.
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 40
            +2
            There is no winter in Kherson and snow is a rare phenomenon.
            Sochi and Abkhazia are humid subtropics and everyone knows this.
            The southern coast of Crimea is Mediterranean semi-humid subtropics.
            The steppe zone of Crimea, like the Kherson region, is dry subtropics where there is no clear boundary between them.
            1. cold wind
              cold wind 19 October 2022 00: 55
              -1
              I ask you to look at the map of climatic zones and read about the behavior of the Dnieper in winter and summer. Kherson has a temperate continental climate with severe winters with an average temperature of -4,5 degrees. The Dnieper freezes over, as you can see by watching the video and reading the information about this river. What I once again convinced.
              There is a significant temperature difference between Sochi and Abkhazia, which does not allow many plants growing in Abkhazia (for example) to grow in Sochi, Abkhazia is definitely subtropics, while Sochi is on the border of belts.
              1. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 19 October 2022 02: 55
                -1
                In the latter case, the borders of the subtropical climate are located in the Tuapse region and after it already humid full-fledged subtropics follow up to Batumi where the climate acquires tropical features - rainforests grow there and there is a lot of precipitation.
                And the latitude here is absolutely right.
                The maritime tropical and subtropical climate is formed under the influence of warm sea currents that warm the air masses above them and are carried by the winds to the continent.

                But in the case of the southern coast of Crimea, as well as the Black Sea coast from Tuapse to Batumi, what is the most important thing?
                Yes, the fact that these coasts are protected by mountain ranges and cold air from the mainland practically does not bring them to them.
          2. Lukachevsky
            Lukachevsky 19 October 2022 00: 59
            +3
            Quote from cold wind
            Subtropics to the south, at the latitude of Bulgaria-Georgia, even Sochi with the Crimea is not included there yet.

            In fact, the subtropics begin where in winter the average temperature of the coldest month is above zero, and there is no permanent snow cover. So Crimea and Sochi are full-fledged subtropics. Kherson is a transitional zone from a temperate climate to a subtropical one.
            1. cold wind
              cold wind 19 October 2022 01: 16
              -3
              Quote: Lukachevsky

              In fact, the subtropics begin where in winter the average temperature of the coldest month is above zero, and there is no permanent snow cover. So Crimea and Sochi are full-fledged subtropics. Kherson is a transitional zone from a temperate climate to a subtropical one.

              If it's formal, then yes. Crimea (not all of them) and Sochi go to the subtropics along the lowest bar. But in comparison with the same southern coast of the Black Sea, according to the lowest bar.
              Kherson has a uniquely temperate climate.
              1. Lukachevsky
                Lukachevsky 19 October 2022 02: 22
                +3
                The average January temperature in Kherson is -2, so according to this criterion Kherson belongs to a temperate climate. The average January temperatures of Simferopol and Sevastopol are +1 and +3, respectively, so that the Crimea can be fully attributed to the subtropical climate.
                As for the Dnieper near Kherson, which SOMETIMES freezes in Severe winters, sometimes the canals in Venice freeze in severe winters, but this does not stop the climate of Venice from being subtropical.
        2. Victor19
          Victor19 19 October 2022 12: 23
          0
          For a long time I laughed at the dry subtropics, here in the Crimea. Especially when cars are floating here at our station during the rains, but I generally keep quiet about Kerch and the floods there. In these dry subtropics, people come in winter and wonder why it is so popular. The combination of maritime climate and near-zero temperatures in winter.
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 19 October 2022 13: 03
            -1
            The steppe zone of Crimea towards Perekop, for example, belongs to them.
            According to the number of precipitation and temperature of the coldest month.
            If, for example, the average temperature of the coldest month was -5C, then these are no longer subtropics.
            And if it is + 1C, then these are already subtropics.

            Why dry? Yes, just compare the rainfall in Armyansk and the rainfall in Batumi which are humid subtropics.
            1. Victor19
              Victor19 19 October 2022 14: 43
              0
              Have you ever been to Crimea? Do not write nonsense. In these "dry subtropics" I worked on drilling rigs (Pervomaisky district). The January temperature was minus 25. Everything was covered with snow. People sat in trailers and did not show their noses into the street.
              1. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 19 October 2022 18: 02
                -1
                So what ? Even in Florida, the temperature sometimes drops below zero and snow falls, but its climate does not cease to be tropical.
                From above (Lukachevsky) described everything.
                1. Victor19
                  Victor19 19 October 2022 18: 27
                  0
                  In Crimea, only the southern coast has the features of a subtropical climate, from Sevastopol to Alushta.
      6. ASDASD
        ASDASD 19 October 2022 15: 31
        0
        Quote from cold wind
        There are no ways to keep Kherson and the bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper. Bridges and dams cannot be operated, navigation will stop in December, but there will not be enough ice thickness to create a crossing. For about two months, the supply will be possible only by helicopters. This will lead to the destruction of our entire grouping on the right bank. The only solution is to evacuate the civilians then the personnel of our troops. This is less than two months away. The report is over.

        I forgot to mention pre-prepared stocks.
    7. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 October 2022 21: 15
      +15
      Quote: dnestr74
      In my opinion it is being prepared for delivery


      when any settlement is being prepared for surrender, military equipment and troops are not pulled into it.
    8. Barberry25
      Barberry25 18 October 2022 21: 46
      +1
      Do you think that in the event of his attempts to storm the city there will be a lot of whole buildings?
    9. gsev
      gsev 19 October 2022 04: 16
      +2
      Quote: dnestr74
      In my opinion, he is being prepared for surrender ((((A very strange statement by the commander of the group,

      Perhaps the Ukrainians are invited to attack Kherson. It is there that the Armed Forces of Ukraine bear the heaviest losses with minimal success. Perhaps Zelensky is simply being helped to destroy the descendants of those who killed his relatives in Lvov and Babi Yar. For the United States, the maximum program is the overthrow of Putin and the setting of Russia under its control, as it was under Yeltsin. But the destruction of the robber element from the descendants of Bandera will do for a minimum program. After this war, Ukrainians will work for their oligarchs and their investors for any money.
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 18 October 2022 20: 41
    +25
    It is always necessary to equip positions on the defensive ... regardless of the information on the offensive ... this is just the basis ... reached the boundary - dig in ... there is time - set up engineering protection facilities (different) ... there is still time - improve the equipment of the positional area ... and so on ( sighting of possible directions of attack, constant reconnaissance of the second UAV of a different class, etc.)
  5. hangar200
    hangar200 18 October 2022 20: 41
    -6
    It's all right. Kherson Russian city. How about the defense of other cities? i'm not a cisso. I am Russian. just evil takes
    1. flicker
      flicker 18 October 2022 20: 52
      -11
      i'm not a cisso. I am Russian.
      Well, yes, of course, only bloomers love and embroidery)
    2. isv000
      isv000 18 October 2022 20: 53
      +3
      Quote: angara200
      It's all right. Kherson Russian city. How about the defense of other cities? i'm not a cisso. I am Russian. just evil takes

      Do you propose to withdraw the army to the lines on February 23rd? Protect the cities of Russia...
      1. flicker
        flicker 18 October 2022 21: 56
        +4
        Yes, this is a sharovarnik, it’s enough to read his comments, in which (in one form or another) he tries to run into the NWO and almost every other time reports that he is Russian.
    3. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 18 October 2022 20: 59
      -5
      you are not Russian, judging by the dispersal of the topic with surrender, you are an ordinary forelock
    4. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 18 October 2022 22: 30
      0
      And what's wrong with them? The same armada will trample on them, as on Kherson?
  6. the same doctor
    the same doctor 18 October 2022 20: 41
    +6
    Why is Kim still alive? Proven leaders of Bandera should be shot.
    1. corrado
      corrado 18 October 2022 20: 46
      +9
      Why is Zelensky still breathing?
    2. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 23
      -6
      because he is a potential "respected partner"
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 18 October 2022 22: 29
        +1
        Because he sits in a bunker in Poland and slaps you for training manuals, Mykoly
    3. Piligrim
      Piligrim 18 October 2022 21: 49
      0
      "Everything has its time and place under the sun" (C)
  7. Buyan
    Buyan 18 October 2022 20: 42
    +7
    Hold on guys and thin the dill well hi
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    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 October 2022 21: 22
      +4
      Quote: angara200
      Will take Kherson?


      will arrange Stalingrad for ukrov.
    2. Lukachevsky
      Lukachevsky 19 October 2022 01: 01
      -4
      Quote: angara200
      what about our Ukrainians in the Kremlin? Will take Kherson?

      The main Ukrainian still continues in his usual repertoire "Ukrainians are our fraternal people", that "the ordinary Ukrainian people should not suffer from the actions of the Ukrainian authorities" and that "we have not started yet" am
  9. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 18 October 2022 20: 44
    +9
    It must be a new Stalingrad. Send reinforcements. Make fortifications. Protect Kherson by all available means. The fate of the war is being played out in Kherson. This must be the anvil on which Zelensky's Nazi army was crushed.
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 08
      -4
      What fortifications and reinforcements when communication is only by ferry? Well, in helicopters.
      How much will you transport on the ferry under artillery fire and Himars strikes?
      I think no. The queue in front of the ferry accumulates - the enemy hits it.
      Bridges are out of order.
  10. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 18 October 2022 20: 45
    -9
    The information is now official. Surovikin just said on the news.
    It is very alarming, will we really surrender Kherson. I don't want to believe it.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 18 October 2022 20: 49
      -18
      We will surrender at the will of the Kremlin ... That's the only reason
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 18 October 2022 20: 52
      +8
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      It is very alarming, will we really surrender Kherson. I don't want to believe it.

      So don't believe it! We won't give up! Surovikin is not the right person to surrender the city, which has already been prepared for defense.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 18 October 2022 20: 59
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        It is very alarming, will we really surrender Kherson. I don't want to believe it.

        So don't believe it! We won't give up! Surovikin is not the right person to surrender the city, which has already been prepared for defense.

        I, too, hope so, otherwise things are completely seamless.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 18 October 2022 22: 05
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Surovikin is not the right person to surrender the city, which has already been prepared for defense.

        This is not a city, but a grouping on the right bank of the Dnieper, which is being attacked from all sides, while We are defending ourselves. Their goals are to strike along the river with the aim of encirclement. Not well, according to textbooks and by no means NATOsim
    3. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 18 October 2022 20: 56
      +6
      you look in the book and see a fig, they told you in Russian, they take out civilians so that they don’t get under the batch, they will dig up the cities with trenches, there will be no water, light and heat !!! no place for civilians where the city is being prepared for defense!
    4. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 24
      -9
      under the words "difficult decisions" it is difficult to understand something else ... this is clearly not defense and not urban battles ... what is not easy in defense, especially when the army has been on the defensive for 4 months already, if not more
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 October 2022 20: 48
    +7
    Or maybe it’s enough to disperse the panic from the military correspondents. Due to the constant shelling of everything that reaches Kherson and Nova Kakhovka of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the supply of the civilian population is difficult due to ferry crossings. One arrival on such a ferry with civilian victims will not be measured. many prepared lay low.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 18 October 2022 20: 51
      -2
      Surovkin said - Difficult decisions are possible
    2. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 18 October 2022 21: 06
      +20
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Or maybe it’s enough to disperse the panic from military correspondents.

      Yes, where is the panic? How far have the Armed Forces of Ukraine moved away from Donetsk in 8 months? How far have the Armed Forces of Ukraine moved away from the border of the Belgorod region? How much longer does it take to start destroying the transport infrastructure? How long does it take to cut off the supply of energy resources to countries that supply the enemy with weapons and train the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? How many lives does it take to run this drag? To what extent do you need to move the red lines? Why should the supply of the army be organized by local authorities and the population? Why are the mobilized sent into battle with little or no training? When will the specific goals, tasks and deadlines for this mess be finally outlined?
      Or are these questions not allowed? Are they not comfortable?
    3. Drotro
      Drotro 18 October 2022 21: 29
      -2
      At least add some positivity. Thank you.
      After all, it is really reasonable - among the civilians there are a lot of enemies. It is necessary to at least isolate them away from the front. But they can harm everywhere.
  12. Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 18 October 2022 20: 52
    -2
    oh, and it looks like the fight will be in the Kherson region, but by the way, I like Kom SVO, harsh, and calls a spade a spade
  13. Adagka
    Adagka 18 October 2022 20: 52
    -2
    Along the way, the next regrouping is already from Kherson. The ingenious plan of one multi-move is to annex territories, hang another portion of noodles on people, arrange a grandiose sabbath on this occasion and give everything to the trash. Even from the lord's shoulder as much as a hundred thousand for the move to regret.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 18 October 2022 21: 01
      +1
      Are you also a forelock? Or can't you read? cities are preparing for defense, and there is no place for civilians
  14. Quinto
    Quinto 18 October 2022 20: 58
    +10
    The commander said exactly what he said ... I don’t understand why they immediately started tearing the hair on their backs and shouting about surrender? The evacuation of the population is a sound decision, the city is difficult to supply and it will be under the most severe shelling, why these victims?
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 18 October 2022 21: 23
      -8
      It’s just that when they surrender, sorry, they will “regroup”, it will be too late to tear the hair on the back.
    2. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 26
      -7
      and difficult decisions are, in your opinion, the evacuation of the population? Oh well...
    3. Lukachevsky
      Lukachevsky 19 October 2022 01: 06
      -2
      Quote: Quinto
      The evacuation of the population is a sound decision, the city is difficult to supply and it will be under the most severe shelling, why these victims?

      When Stalin was offered evacuation in October, he replied that "we are starting to dig trenches, which will later become our graves." And thus, the panic in Moscow was stopped. And if Stalin had escaped from Moscow, then a rumor would immediately have spread that “Stalin had escaped, Moscow would definitely be surrendered!”, And that’s all, Moscow would have been surrendered.
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 18 October 2022 21: 01
    -1
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    It is very alarming, will we really surrender Kherson. I don't want to believe it.

    So don't believe it! We won't give up! Surovikin is not the right person to surrender the city, which has already been prepared for defense.

    But do these words of the commander tell you anything? sad
    I do not rule out making the most difficult decisions.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 18 October 2022 21: 08
      +6
      and where did you get the idea that this is about surrender? and not about the use of tactical nuclear weapons? Or the explosion of the entire cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the Dnieper? once again I am convinced that everyone sees only what they want to see
      1. stelltok
        stelltok 18 October 2022 21: 18
        +6
        or the explosion of the entire cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the Dnieper?

        It is a likely scenario.
      2. Nikolay310
        Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 27
        0
        listen to Podolyak less ... then the nonsense about the explosions of hydroelectric power plant cascades will not go into your head
  16. Tagan
    Tagan 18 October 2022 21: 01
    -3
    Quote: dnestr74
    In my opinion, in Sumerian ?? I served in Transnistria from 92 to 96, the second company 1999-2000,
    You just need to sometimes think with your head, and not trust our authorities

    "Think with your head" - listen to your nonsense?
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 18 October 2022 21: 06
      0
      Analyze and separate the wheat from the chaff...
      Kyiv and Kupyansk are not enough to make sure of the will of our politicians? Red Estuary could not be held?
      Heavy fighting is ahead in Kherson. and trains go to Belarus?
      1. topol717
        topol717 18 October 2022 21: 24
        -2
        Quote: dnestr74
        Heavy fighting is ahead in Kherson. and trains go to Belarus?

        In Kherson, a general commands, and the Supreme Commander sends troops to Belarus.
        When they scrambled from near Kharkov, leaving everything and everything, Shoigu reported on successful exercises in the Far East. And he awarded medals for the Army 2022 forum.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 19 October 2022 01: 02
        +4
        Quote: dnestr74
        Heavy fighting is ahead in Kherson. and trains go to Belarus?

        Kherson is the area of ​​responsibility of the Russian Federation. A joint grouping is a knife at the throat of Kyiv and Lvov.
        Ze will have to stand upright: either slow down in Kherson ... or lose the western border with the supply of weapons from NATO.
        IMHO.
  17. leks
    leks 18 October 2022 21: 01
    +4
    Our troops in Kherson, in fact, will be cut off by the Dnieper, in such a situation, the supply and approach of reserves will be absent or minimal. And you won’t be able to retreat if you still decide to keep the defense.
    Here a difficult situation develops or leave Kherson and move beyond the Dnieper.
    Or defend to the last, knowing that it is possible that there will be no supplies and reinforcements due to the lack of bridges and crossings.
    1. stelltok
      stelltok 18 October 2022 21: 15
      -4
      Or defend to the last knowing that perhaps there will be no supplies and reinforcements due to the lack of bridges and crossings.

      And at the same time they began to talk about Kyiv often. Weird?
  18. Sergei V
    Sergei V 18 October 2022 21: 04
    -2
    Judging by Surovikin's hints, he will have to leave Kherson
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 October 2022 01: 08
      0
      Quote: Sergey V
      Judging by Surovikin's hints, he will have to leave Kherson

      And this is how the card will fall ...
      There will be VKS and artillery to smash the Nazis at the lines of concentration, disrupting the attack - one thing ...
      And if they turn their tails and sit in a deaf defense, then Suvorov obviously does not smell here ...
  19. topol717
    topol717 18 October 2022 21: 05
    +1
    Here we must hold out, naval artillery, in theory, can support.
    Aviation from the Crimea, only 150 km, if 30-40 aircraft are constantly supported, then no one will break through anywhere.
    Plans for flooding the territories were on all platinums back in the days of the USSR. Most likely there is information in the archives, and I do not exclude that ours hinted, in which case, you will first swim a lot in Kherson.
    Well, I hope that there is a sufficient number of MLRS vehicles there, and the operators approximately know where to shoot if something happens, and there will be no problems with communication this time.
    1. Sergei V
      Sergei V 18 October 2022 21: 16
      -8
      It can be seen that Surovikin does not know about this, or he knows that these are only fantasies.
    2. skeptick2
      skeptick2 18 October 2022 23: 52
      -2
      Quote from: topol717
      Aviation from the Crimea, only 150 km, if 30-40 aircraft are constantly supported, then no one will break through anywhere.
      Plans for flooding the territories were on all platinums back in the days of the USSR. Most likely there is information in the archives, and I do not exclude that ours hinted, in which case, you will first swim a lot in Kherson.

      Are you aware of the decisions of the last Ramstein? On the emergency delivery of air defense / missile defense systems to Ukraine after our strikes on infrastructure? Or do you think that aviation from the Crimea will then freely roam the sky?
      As for the flood... Do you know exactly what's in those archives? Which shore will swim first - the left or the right?
      1. topol717
        topol717 19 October 2022 20: 10
        0
        Quote from: skeptick2
        Are you aware of the decisions of the last Ramstein? On the emergency delivery of air defense / missile defense systems to Ukraine after our strikes on infrastructure? Or do you think that aviation from the Crimea will then freely roam the sky?

        Well, aviation should completely suppress enemy air defenses, for this they must have anti-radar missiles. Of course, if there are 2 aircraft as usual, then this will be a target. And if 10 and better than 30, then let the head of the air defense workers already hurt.
        Quote from: skeptick2
        As for the flood... Do you know exactly what's in those archives? Which shore will swim first - the left or the right?

        I don't think anyone knows this. And the fact that they know this is a bare theory and no one has tested it, maybe it's a bluff, or maybe a real warning, or really afraid of undermining the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We can only speculate.
        1. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 20 October 2022 00: 14
          -1
          In the case of Ukraine and its especially tenacious air defense, this is due to two things:
          Low altitudes are completely covered by thousands of modern western air defense systems;
          High and medium altitudes are blocked by the Buk and S-300 complexes, which are in sleep mode and receive target designation from NATO AWACS aircraft and satellites of NATO countries.
          Therefore, they turn on their radars for a very short time only to capture a target and launch missiles.
          Then they turn off and hide in a forest plantation.
    3. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 12
      -2
      Ships have not been going there for a long time - it makes no sense to expose them to anti-ship missiles.
      And we have little aviation, even in the Crimea there is not so much. And the impact from it is insignificant.
      The workhorses are the Ka-52 and Su-25 there, as elsewhere.
      1. topol717
        topol717 19 October 2022 21: 06
        0
        Quote: Osipov9391
        Ships have not been going there for a long time - it makes no sense to expose them to anti-ship missiles.

        What for then, in general, this fleet is needed, which cannot help even near its coast. Anti-ship missiles are everywhere and for everyone. just like there is air defense, but this is not a reason not to use aircraft.

        Quote: Osipov9391
        And we have little aviation, even in the Crimea there is not so much. And the impact from it is insignificant.

        You think that it is insignificant, but the US and NATO think differently. They just demolish everything with bombs and rockets. So it was in Iraq and in Yugoslavia and in Libya. and why NATO planes help very well.
        and just compare bombs and artillery.
        even the weakest FAB-100 bomb is 70 kg of explosives, and the largest artillery shell is a maximum of 25 kg of explosives. the difference is there. And the pilot sees where to throw, and the art only suggests.
        Well, somewhere in the same place are your helicopters with NURS firing. how many explosives are there in S-8? 5 KG? and who will they get there??? It’s easier to throw mortars than these KA-52s and Bears.
        1. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 20 October 2022 00: 06
          -1
          We have very little tactical aviation. Approximately 320-250 modern tactical aircraft for the whole of Russia.
          About half can be used, the rest are needed to complete their tasks in their places.
          As for the United States and NATO, there the strike force is AUG carrier-based aviation, then tactical.
          In both cases, we are talking about 8-10 times superiority over Russia.
  20. Alister kroulegg
    Alister kroulegg 18 October 2022 21: 09
    -5
    - Surovikin, are you sure that we will keep Kherson? I ask this with pain in my heart. Be honest like a liberal.
  21. RaccoonSnake
    RaccoonSnake 18 October 2022 21: 10
    -8
    100% by US election TM needs a big win. But this time, the VPR of the Russian Federation announced the evacuation in advance. At least until the drape is planned, as it was near Kharkov.
  22. gerome
    gerome 18 October 2022 21: 11
    -3
    In short, we held out with mobilization, Strelkov sounded the alarm correctly. Now they could defend themselves in such a way that the enemy would choke, but they could advance and there would be no victory for the US elections.
    1. Alister kroulegg
      Alister kroulegg 18 October 2022 21: 13
      -1
      conscripts can be used. this is officially the territory of the Russian Federation. 340 thousand serve and are better prepared than mobiles
      1. gerome
        gerome 18 October 2022 21: 15
        +6
        I also ask about this, some kind of nonsense was bred, now conscripts are generally inviolable with us, or what?
        1. Nikolay310
          Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 30
          +5
          I agree. in the first Chechen conscripts loaded and put before the fact. and the guys fought heroically. no worse than the current five hundredth "professionals"
  23. Stock
    Stock 18 October 2022 21: 14
    0
    Yes, what street fights, look at the map carefully. If the bridgehead narrows, then the remaining territory will be shot through, including pantons for the transport of reserves, and so on. Or you need to keep the entire territory beyond the Dnieper or withdraw troops.
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 18
      -4
      I agree with you. Arrives by ferry, arrives in queues in front of the ferries.
      It is no longer possible to supply the group.
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine, using numerical superiority, will continue to advance.
  24. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 18 October 2022 21: 14
    -4
    I do not rule out making the most difficult decisions.

    This should be understood in such a way that the probability of evacuating our entire grouping from the right bank of the Dnieper is very high. And then, after the guaranteed complete disabling of bridges, including dams, the front along the Dnieper will be essentially cemented for a long time. So, if there is no opening of a "second front" from Belarus, the RF Armed Forces will operate exclusively on the left bank, where, of course, there are also enough problems, but in the event of a persistent incapacitation of the Ukrainian transport infrastructure, especially crossings across the Dnieper, the situation is for us and the enemy will become a mirror of the one that develops near Kherson.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 October 2022 21: 31
      -10
      8 months is not enough for you to understand that the Russian Federation will not undertake any conclusions of the crossings across the Dnieper ..
    2. Chronos
      Chronos 18 October 2022 21: 33
      +3
      Bridges across the Dnieper still need to be put out of action. Dill Antonovsky bridge with the help of MLRS put out of action. Our artillery, including rocket artillery, still does not reach the bridges in Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye. It is clear that it is easier to defend behind the Dnieper. But the surrender of Kherson and the right bank of the Dnieper will hit the morale of the troops. There are a lot of questions: the situation near Kherson did not arise yesterday. Why was it necessary to occupy the city, hold it for so long (how many people and equipment were lost in battles), hold a referendum there, include it in Russia and then surrender. It was necessary to immediately take out everyone and fortify on the banks of the Dnieper. In addition, after the surrender of Kherson, the Crimea will be under attack by the Highmars and long-range self-propelled guns. It is clear that there is strong air defense, but nonetheless. And dill will not stand on the banks of the Dnieper. They will try to cross the Dnieper, the Germans brought them bridgelayers, the Americans and the British boats. They will try to attack in other directions, for example, to Berdyansk. Of course, the overall victorious result of the operation will overshadow all the defeats. But in this way, a victorious outcome will be more and more difficult to achieve. Kherson is easy to leave, but it will be much more difficult to recapture it again, if at all possible. Although I don’t know what the final plans of the drivers are, what information they have. Maybe if we all knew, we would also think differently.
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 21
        -3
        If the Armed Forces of Ukraine take Kherson, then they will not force the Dnieper. Will not work. It's over a kilometer wide.
        The next blow from them will be on Melitopol.
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 19 October 2022 01: 04
          -3
          Quote: Osipov9391
          If the Armed Forces of Ukraine take Kherson, then they will not force the Dnieper. Will not work. It's over a kilometer wide.
          The next blow from them will be on Melitopol.

          Not at once, in spring or summer it’s quite. Do they need bridgelayers for something? So, by the way, Vladlen Tatarsky was broadcasting, with reference to the captured dill officers, that a strike was planned on Kreminnaya - Svatovo and further south until reaching the former border near Millerovo. That would make it possible to hit the airfield, as well as cut off railway and road communications with all our southern regions along a short path. Not to mention that this is the actual environment of our entire group.
    3. AdAstra
      AdAstra 18 October 2022 21: 52
      -4
      Then it was necessary to calculate this in advance and not to rush with new subjects, so that psychologically it would not be so acutely felt and image that the "second" army of the world was leaving its cities.
  25. Tagan
    Tagan 18 October 2022 21: 22
    -2
    Quote: dnestr74
    Analyze and separate the wheat from the chaff...
    Kyiv and Kupyansk are not enough to make sure of the will of our politicians? Red Estuary could not be held?
    Heavy fighting is ahead in Kherson. and trains go to Belarus?

    More like whining than analysis.
    1. Sergei V
      Sergei V 18 October 2022 22: 11
      -7
      Yes, dad needs to be supported, we have a lot of troops, let them stand
  26. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 18 October 2022 21: 25
    -1
    Quote: dnestr74
    In my opinion, in Sumerian ?? I served in Transnistria from 92 to 96, the second company 1999-2000,
    You just need to sometimes think with your head, and not trust our authorities

    Why are you at home and not there?
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 19 October 2022 06: 58
      -2
      Let those who are now 25 fight, I will run for a day with all the body kit, then I will lie down for two days ...
      If the Motherland calls, I will not hide, of course ....
  27. Adagka
    Adagka 18 October 2022 21: 26
    -7
    Quote: leks
    Our troops in Kherson, in fact, will be cut off by the Dnieper, in such a situation, the supply and approach of reserves will be absent or minimal. And you won’t be able to retreat if you still decide to keep the defense.
    Here a difficult situation develops or leave Kherson and move beyond the Dnieper.
    Or defend to the last, knowing that it is possible that there will be no supplies and reinforcements due to the lack of bridges and crossings.

    Somehow quickly (in just six months) the second army of the world ended, which Khkhlov, caught in all the villages of the ukroreich from Kherson, is not able to push back 50 km.
    And that until now the marshal-foreman, along with an adherent of network-centric wars, has not been shot? The current result is the work of their hands, but again no one is to blame, it is itself.....
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 18 October 2022 21: 36
      -1
      She was only on paper, parades and cartoons. As the saying goes, "Oh, it's easy to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived." And yet, yes, a dream job, whatever you don’t do or don’t do anything at all, nothing will happen to you.
  28. Bubuzon
    Bubuzon 18 October 2022 21: 40
    +2
    A blow to the dam, a blow to the DneproGES and the bridges across the Dnieper. Stop messing around with the drug monkey with the grenade. Thank God they removed nuclear weapons from Ukraine, this beast would not disdain.
  29. the same doctor
    the same doctor 18 October 2022 21: 46
    +1
    The best defense is the destruction of ukrotroops in advance. The tool is artillery. Method - reconnaissance and adjustment.
    The use of MLRS against a dug-in enemy, and even more so against an enemy in shelters, is absolutely ineffective. MLRS should only be used against the enemy on the march.
    against shelters and trenches, only corrected fire from howitzers with a caliber of 150 mm or more can be used.
    All this will be effective only if our forward formations are in close contact with enemy troops. Gray areas are not allowed. The safety of soldiers on the front line should be provided by artillery support upon detection of the enemy.
    However, I wrote all this back in June.
    1. stankow
      stankow 19 October 2022 11: 08
      0
      MLRS for entrenched infantry works in exactly the same way as a barreled one. HE shells, fuse for "high-explosive". No difference.
  30. Barberry25
    Barberry25 18 October 2022 21: 50
    +4
    how much panic and hysteria. Did you give the military carte blanche? so he does what it NEEDED - the city will be in the combat zone, so it makes sense to withdraw civilians from it, which will immediately remove a lot of problems.
    1. Sergei V
      Sergei V 18 October 2022 22: 13
      -4
      No one has given carte blanche to the army and will not give it until it is decided in the Kremlin. And there you can see your troubles
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 19 October 2022 10: 49
        0
        those. good for the withdrawal of civilians is this apparently arbitrariness?
  31. Mraka
    Mraka 18 October 2022 21: 55
    -1
    What are the hardest decisions?
    There will be a third...
  32. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 October 2022 22: 03
    -2
    Horror what .. really came to all this ..
  33. Adagka
    Adagka 18 October 2022 22: 04
    0
    And what kind of nonsense is this about the use of banned munitions by Khkhl on the Kakhovka dam? Do the fuckers have tactical nuclear boperipas already? It seems not. They cannot subdue her. And with the Hymars, they can pick a dam with air defense until the second coming.
  34. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 18 October 2022 22: 09
    -8
    If Kherson is surrendered, there is no need to be upset, this is just a reality - it has shown the real capabilities of our army, our leadership and our society. She also showed that no one is waiting for us anywhere and no one needs the Russian world. We paid a very high price to get rid of all the illusions that we have been formed for 20 years. You have to deal with it and move on with your life. Perhaps, if it is possible to maintain the unity of Russia, a new generation will grow up that will be able to change something ...
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 18 October 2022 22: 24
      -1
      If no one needed it, then Kherson, Zaporozhye and Donbass would have voted against it with their feet. Your propaganda is good for the adherents of the Censor and a handful of prof. mourners who flooded this resource.
      1. Ckyy
        Ckyy 19 October 2022 00: 11
        -4
        "then Kherson, Zaporozhye and Donbass would vote with their feet"
        according to your logic, the Ukrainian world was normal for them, if they didn’t vote then with their feet: 3
    2. Alister kroulegg
      Alister kroulegg 18 October 2022 23: 15
      -1
      Such a generation needs to be raised through propaganda. It won't grow on its own. To raise a person who does not run to Georgia from mobilization, one needs a tough treatment of the population, which is completely absent in modern Russia
  35. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 18 October 2022 22: 42
    -3
    It looks like the Kherson bluff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has succeeded again.
  36. ZIF122
    ZIF122 18 October 2022 22: 48
    +5
    I think Kherson will be fiercely defended and defended! And then they go on the counteroffensive!
  37. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 18 October 2022 22: 59
    +5
    Time will tell what decision or measures will be taken to stop the advancing group, but the situation around Kherson, in case of flooding, on the left bank, will be very difficult.
  38. Ghost1
    Ghost1 18 October 2022 23: 22
    -3
    Quote: Vladimir80
    If Kherson is surrendered, there is no need to be upset, this is just a reality - it has shown the real capabilities of our army, our leadership and our society. She also showed that no one is waiting for us anywhere and no one needs the Russian world. We paid a very high price to get rid of all the illusions that we have been formed for 20 years. You have to deal with it and move on with your life. Perhaps, if it is possible to maintain the unity of Russia, a new generation will grow up that will be able to change something ...

    Why did you have to start then?
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 19 October 2022 00: 31
      +2
      And no one planned to start.
      They thought the coup was the overthrow of Zelensky and the coming to power of Azarov-Medvechuk.
      They capture Gostomel, planes with paratroopers arrive there, take Kyiv under control, agree with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to go over to our side, and that’s it.
      Here's what we planned.
      Nobody planned to fight. Especially for such a long time.
    2. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 19 October 2022 06: 27
      -5
      Maybe you shouldn't have started. After 8 months, it seems to me a successful provocation by the United States, to which we succumbed. The same is possible with a referendum. From the point of view of security, Russia only lost, the Finns and Swedes in NATO, in Central Asia, something similar to America's tentacles is also planned. Technicians lost a bunch, missiles. On the other hand, our eyes have also been opened to many things - which real processes are taking place in the country, and which are fiction and a picture.
  39. Genry
    Genry 18 October 2022 23: 29
    +4
    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/29639

    Urgent statement of the head of the Kherson region on the advance of the enemy and evacuation
    ▪️Ukraine has declared a total, uncompromising war on Russia, on all of us.
    ▪️We all know how hard the Donbass endures daily shelling, how many innocent people die from artillery and rocket attacks on peaceful cities. Kyiv is preparing a similar fate for Kherson.
    ▪️The Ukrainian side is accumulating forces for a large-scale offensive.
    ▪️Russia has formed a military group to repel this offensive. The battlefield of this confrontation can be our land, peaceful cities and villages of the Kherson region.
    ▪️There is an immediate danger of flooding of the territories due to the planned destruction of the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and the release of water from the cascade of power plants upstream of the Dnieper. In such a situation, I made a difficult but correct decision to announce the organized transfer of the civilian population of Berislav, Belozersky, Snigirev and Aleksandrovsky municipalities to the left bank of the Dnieper.
    ▪️This decision was caused by the creation of large-scale defensive fortifications so that any attack was repulsed. Where the military operates, there is no place for civilians. Let the Russian army fulfill its task.
    ▪️Under these conditions, our key task is to save human lives and allow the troops to effectively perform their functions to protect the Kherson region. We will take the civilian population to the left bank in an organized, stage-by-stage manner.
    ▪️For those residents of the region who decide to move further to the regions of Russia, the Government of the Russian Federation will provide housing certificates. This was specifically stated by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin. The relocation and temporary accommodation of residents of the Berislav, Belozersky, Snigiryovsky and Aleksandrovsky municipalities will be carried out free of charge, by the EMERCOM of the Russian Federation and the government of the Kherson region.
    ▪️I ask everyone to remain calm, not to listen to alarmists, the Kherson region remains under the reliable protection of the Russian army. Our cause is right. We know it and our enemy knows it. And victory will be ours.
  40. Aibolit-66
    Aibolit-66 19 October 2022 00: 10
    -3
    There is a remedy. It's an ultimatum!!! 48 hours for the withdrawal of all enemy troops from the territory of the Russian Federation and the cessation of shelling of the territory of Russia. With bringing the essence of the Ultimatum to the authorities of Kyiv, its patrons and to the enemy troops on the ground. Otherwise, the destruction of all remaining thermal power plants, TV towers, server locations, authorities in Kyiv and in the regions, bridges and tunnels begins. Suppression of air defense remnants and bombardment from high altitudes with heavy bombs, including vacuum ones. This is not the level of the military. In this situation, they will not be up to Kherson and Melitopol. This requires political will.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 19 October 2022 00: 59
      -2
      Quote: Aibolit-66
      There is a remedy. It's an ultimatum!!!

      "Tried, doesn't help."
      1. Aibolit-66
        Aibolit-66 19 October 2022 02: 20
        0
        After the ultimatum comes action. Everything can be done in one day. We need political will. You have to pity yours. Aliens somehow survive.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 19 October 2022 02: 26
          +1
          Quote: Aibolit-66
          After the ultimatum comes action. Everything can be done in one day.

          We tried, it didn’t work.

          But you, of course, can continue to be capricious.
  41. Aibolit-66
    Aibolit-66 19 October 2022 02: 16
    +3
    It is necessary to paralyze the leadership of a hostile state so that there is no one to give commands for the offensive and shelling. Or that they would understand that there is no chance. You can not take every village by storm. In general, on what basis are enemy troops on Russian territory? 48 hours for withdrawal.
  42. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 19 October 2022 02: 49
    +3
    It prepares well for defense. The main thing is that they would not be prepared for surrender. This is the cornerstone of the entire operation, Kharkov was enough for the tonsils. I don’t know how else to explain the fact that right now it’s time to start fighting SERIOUSLY. By all available means of destruction (except for nuclear weapons, of course). The time has come to lift strategic aviation into the air with a bomb load of fabs and odabs of maximum calibers; It is necessary there to give it to the soup so that it cracks so that the blood with the yushka splashes in all directions. In order not only to attack, but simply to take up arms, the desire fell off, so that the whole group would remain there and remain in the places of concentration. Forever
    1. hangar200
      hangar200 19 October 2022 09: 55
      -3
      is it time? Maybe it's worth waiting another year?
    2. hangar200
      hangar200 19 October 2022 09: 56
      -3
      and in February they started joking? now seriously?
    3. Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin 22 October 2022 14: 25
      0
      ... so that the whole group is there and remains in the places of concentration. Forever
      Yes, you need to use the moment while the Ukronazis crawled out of the fortified areas-cities ... There they are gouged with a FIRE FLIGHT.
  43. megadeth
    megadeth 19 October 2022 03: 55
    +3
    Let's stand!!! Even though it will be hard! To the guys of life ... and send more enemies to the next world !!!
  44. hangar200
    hangar200 19 October 2022 09: 53
    -3
    Well, thank God that it is not yet Moscow. Isn't it time to send the capital to Yekaterinburg? In the center of Yeltsin, so to speak?
  45. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 19 October 2022 10: 49
    0
    These are the talks about saving human lives .... And why was it necessary to start the NWO? They would evacuate the entire population of Donbass with the Luhansk region and maybe from the Crimea. And everything would be in chocolate? No, it was not! The reference to "saving human lives" is a clumsy cover for military and political miscalculations. If you started to fight, then you need to fight. Why is the railway still operating in Ukraine? But after all, equipment and personnel with mercenaries who are so threatening "human lives" are moving along it. Why not a single bridge has not been destroyed, while our Crimean bridge is half destroyed? Why didn't they announce mobilization earlier that they didn't see NATO's preparations?
    1. Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin 22 October 2022 14: 22
      0
      Why is the railway still operating in Ukraine? But after all, equipment and personnel with mercenaries are moving along it, which are so threatening to "human lives"
      Although it is very easy to disable railways - knock out traction electrical substations ... And then individually hunt for military echelons that will be pulled on diesel traction ...
  46. ZuekRek
    ZuekRek 19 October 2022 11: 12
    0
    Quote: Mitrich73
    At night, things are not so clear. Moreover, there are transport helicopters. The construction of pontoon bridges in several places allows you to maintain the possibility of supplying the group even with artillery impact. Camouflage and secrecy mode allows you to level the accuracy of missiles.

    You will note that the number of places for building crossings is large, but not infinite, and convenient (and accessible) are even fewer. Soon the time will come when the ice will already be there, but it will not be able to withstand the equipment. Is it possible to establish a permanent crossing under such conditions?
  47. yanus
    yanus 19 October 2022 13: 17
    -1
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    Have you heard about the evacuation of Kupyansk and Izyum? The answer is known, you haven’t heard, because these cities were not prepared for defense

    In fact, the measures of Kupyansk released a video about the evacuation when Balakleya was still not rubbed and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were far from the city.
  48. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 19 October 2022 21: 49
    0
    And how did we come to such a life. Who will tell me.
    There is a feeling that we have begun to crap one's pants a little? ..
    If you face the truth.
    But what about, we will occupy Kyiv in three days, Lvov in a week.
    That wasn't all true?!
    What a twist...
    I don’t understand at all why a certain private office is fighting in the war, bothering reservists. Is the regular army over or what? ..
    Won-martial law began to enter places. To start.
  49. Vladimir Shabanov
    Vladimir Shabanov 20 October 2022 13: 43
    +1
    For some reason, all comments regarding the goals of the United States and Zelensky regarding Kherson come down to an increase in Biden's rating in the upcoming elections. And they do not consider such a scenario: the evacuation of the population that trusts Russia, the seizure of territory and the holding of a "repeated referendum" under the guns of the Nazis and while fixing the "observance of the law" by UN pocket observers (in accordance with Musk's proposal). After that, Russia becomes the "aggressor", and many of those who support it today will hesitate at best. I think Kherson is very important for Russia. After all, this is the native land for many evacuees.
    1. Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin 22 October 2022 14: 18
      0
      to gouge the Ukronazi troops with rockets in those areas where they are now concentrated. We need to "unload-decommission" all the TU-22, TU-95, TU-160 "Strategov" missiles, which, due to the storage period, are subject to decommissioning, to the Ukronazi troops. arrange for them a FIRE SQUARE - wherever there are more than 10 ukrovoyaks. To only walk alone ...
  50. Mark68
    Mark68 20 October 2022 17: 38
    +1
    Promised to be destroyed, the decision-making centers and bridges of Ukraine across the Dniester and the Southern Bug are still preserved, not one was destroyed ... Well, how is this to be understood? Well, I still can’t understand the logic of this non-war - lightning. Or fight for real or build eyes.
    1. Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin 22 October 2022 14: 15
      0
      right. this is a STRANGE Military Operation, not a war...