Rumors and prospects. Iranian missiles for the Russian army

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Rumors and prospects. Iranian missiles for the Russian army
Launch of Fateh-110 missiles during exercises, 2012. Photo by Ypa.ir


The foreign press reports that Russia and Iran are developing cooperation in the military-technical sphere and are preparing a new supply of weapons. This time, the Iranian side will have to transfer two types of missile systems to the Russian army. With their help, Russia will be able to strengthen its missile forces and gain new combat capabilities. At the same time, there is no official information about such deliveries or about their preparation.



Unconfirmed Information


On October 16, an American product The Washington Post reported on a new episode of Russian-Iranian cooperation. Information about this was received from several unnamed sources in US intelligence circles. It is noted that some of these persons have previously provided information on the supply of Iranian drones. This fact is given as an indirect proof of the veracity of the new information.

It is reported that American intelligence recently learned about the secret preparation of a new batch of Iranian weapons to send to Russia. This time, Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missile systems are being prepared for transfer. The number and timing of the shipment of such weapons are not ready to be named. Similar processes in Iran have already been reported to the leadership of the United States and Ukraine.

However, TWP does not have confirmation of the information received. US intelligence, as well as Russian and Iranian officials, declined to comment. news. At the same time, the publication quotes statements from the Iranian Foreign Ministry. In recent weeks, various representatives of the department have indicated that Iran does not supply its military products to conflict zones.

The American publication also provides estimates of the mentioned missiles and tries to predict their hypothetical impact on the course of hostilities. In addition, they are looking for possible prerequisites for the proposed purchase of Iranian weapons. In particular, it is once again asserted that Russia is running out of missile weapons.


Launchers "Fateh-110" (right) and "Zolfagar" (left). Photo Tasnim News

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Whether the TWP message is true is unknown. The situation can be clarified only by official data from the Russian or Iranian side. In addition, a demonstration of the use of missile systems as part of the Special Operation may become an answer to current questions. When such materials will appear and whether they will appear at all is a big question.

Product "Conqueror"


TWP mentions two types of missile systems. The first is "Fateh-110" ("Conqueror-110"). This is an Iranian-designed operational-tactical missile system designed to destroy concentrations of troops and equipment, command posts, infrastructure facilities, etc. Several modifications of such an OTRK with different combat characteristics have been developed.

The first version of the Fateh-110 was created from the mid-nineties and was put into service in 2002. Subsequently, the Iranian industry carried out several upgrades aimed at improving the basic combat characteristics. In addition, on the basis of this OTRK, missile systems of other classes were created, both with ballistic and anti-ship missiles.

In all cases, the "Conqueror" is a mobile soil complex on a three-axle automobile chassis. A launcher for a missile with drives for guidance in two planes is mounted on the chassis. In the first modifications, one guide was used, in later versions two were used. Ammunition is installed openly, without the use of a container. Rough aiming at the target is carried out by correctly placing the launcher in position and raising the guide to the desired angle.

As part of all variants of the Fateh-110 OTRK, solid-propellant ballistic missiles are used. These products have a starting weight of approx. 3,5 t with a length of up to 9 m and a diameter of 600 mm. On the outer surface of the rocket there are rudders and stabilizers. The missile has controls and guidance based on inertial and satellite navigation. In 2018, the Fateh-Mobin control system was introduced, including an infrared homing head.


Serial production of Fateh-110 missiles of the third version, 2012. Photo by Fars News

Missiles of the Fateh-110 family are equipped with monoblock high-explosive fragmentation warheads of various types. The mass of these products is 650 or 450 kg, depending on the modification of the rocket.

The firing range grew as the project developed. The first version of the OTRK, adopted in 2002, had a range of 200 km. In the next upgrade, this parameter was brought up to 250 km. In 2010, a "third generation" missile with a range of 300 km was introduced. Subsequently, this parameter was not increased.

Deep upgrade


One of the options for the development of the "Conqueror" was the Zolfaghar missile system ("Zolfaghar" or "Zulfikar" - the sword of the Prophet Muhammad), presented in 2016. During its development, the existing architecture and some technical solutions were preserved. However, due to the refinement and improvement of the rocket, the firing range was increased to 700 km. As a result, the complex moved from the category of operational-tactical to the class of shorter range.

Externally, the Zolfagar rocket is similar to the Fateh-110 product. However, it is larger and heavier. The lengthening of the hull by 1,5 m made it possible to introduce a solid-propellant engine with improved performance. The missile is used by a self-propelled launcher with two guides, similar to the Fateh-110 OTRK combat vehicle.

The Zolfagar rocket is equipped with a control system based on satellite and inertial navigation. According to various sources, at the maximum range, the QUO is achieved no more than tens of meters. In addition, the ammunition can be equipped with a Fateh-Mobin head, which provides full guidance in the final phase of the flight.


Launcher for two missiles. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

There is no exact information about the warhead. Probably, the Zolfaghar rocket receives a high-explosive fragmentation charge weighing up to 600-650 kg and is comparable in power to the Fateh-110. Abroad, assumptions are being made about the fundamental possibility of installing a special warhead.

Benefits and potential


Whether the information from The Washington Post is true is not yet known. However, nothing prevents us from considering the mentioned Iranian missiles and evaluating them from the point of view of the usefulness and necessity of the Russian army. In general, such weapons may be of some interest and be considered as an addition to domestic systems.

The Fateh-110 product belongs to the OTRK class and can be considered a functional analogue of the Russian Iskander complex. However, the Iranian complex is inferior to the Russian one in terms of the range of ammunition and firing range. A clear advantage is only the mass of the warhead.

A complex of this kind can be used as an addition to the Iskander in certain situations - when the launch range does not exceed 300 km. The joint use of two different systems is unlikely to give fundamental advantages of a combat nature, but it will improve the economic and operational performance of missile units.

The characteristics of the Zolfagar shorter-range complex look much more interesting. A missile of this type can fly 700 km, and in this respect is superior to the Iskander ammunition. When launched from Russian territory, such missiles will be able to attack targets in most of Ukraine and hit them with the required accuracy and effect.


Assembling the rocket "Zolfagar". Photo Tasnim News

It should be noted that the advantages of Zolfagar in range have objective prerequisites. Thus, Iran, unlike our country, did not sign the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. Accordingly, he had the right to develop land systems with a range of 500 to 5500 km - and actively used this opportunity. Our army does not have such systems yet. However, the INF Treaty has ceased to exist, and now Russia can create and use the INF and IRBM.

It should also be recalled that Iran is not part of the Missile Technology Control Regime agreement. Thanks to this, he can freely sell and transfer finished products or technologies for the manufacture of missiles with a range of more than 300 km and a warhead heavier than 500 kg. Accordingly, the Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar complexes in any version can be sold to foreign countries.

Nomenclature expansion


If the data of the foreign press is true, then in the near future new foreign complexes will appear in service with the Russian missile forces and artillery. Iranian-made products will be able to complement the existing domestic designs and improve the operational and fire capabilities of the troops.

However, information from the TWP publication and its sources may be erroneous, and the delivery of Fateh-110 or Zolfagar missiles is not planned. In this case, the Russian army will continue to use available weapons that have shown themselves well in the Special Operation. They will fully cope with the further solution of problems without the help of foreign counterparts.
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  2. +8
    19 October 2022 04: 56
    What was Yeltsin's fosterling Shoigu doing all this time?
    No drones, no inexpensive mass-produced missiles.
    1. +1
      19 October 2022 05: 40
      Quote: komvap
      nor inexpensive mass-produced missiles.

      ?????? "Caliber" and "Iskander" do not count?
      De jure, having withdrawn from the treaty on the reduction of short and medium-range missiles, de facto Russia has not yet withdrawn from it.
      1. -5
        19 October 2022 07: 28
        It’s dumb, of course, to get weapons like this, but in NWO as in NWO. After the SVO, it will be necessary to deal with the INF.
    2. +6
      19 October 2022 09: 24
      Quote: komvap
      What was Yeltsin's fosterling Shoigu doing all this time?
      No drones, no inexpensive mass-produced missiles.

      But what about "Tank Biathlon", where we all win from year to year. But what about the Patriot Park, what a beauty! And what a huge temple they built in this park! And what parades they rolled up! So, Shoigu has a huge amount of merit ...
      1. -1
        19 October 2022 11: 51
        Quote: Greg Miller
        So, Shoigu has a huge amount of merit ...

        He has merits, real and not the ones that you just voiced ...
      2. -2
        22 October 2022 15: 22
        Quote: Greg Miller
        But what about "Tank Biathlon", where we all win from year to year. But what about the Patriot Park, what a beauty! And what a huge temple they built in this park! And what parades they rolled up! So, Shoigu has a huge amount of merit ...

        when the "Ulcer" is very worried, ... you need to go to the gastroenterologists (!) wink
    3. -2
      19 October 2022 20: 58
      You mixed up the sequence.
      Yeltsin's fosterling is Putin.
      And Shoigu is Putin's fosterling.
      1. 0
        20 October 2022 02: 41
        Quote from Gromit
        You mixed up the sequence.
        Yeltsin's fosterling is Putin.
        And Shoigu is Putin's fosterling.

        You don't know the history of the last 35 years well.
        Read on the internet about Kozheedych.
        1. -1
          20 October 2022 08: 55
          So it was he who organized United Russia with Yeltsin in 2002?
          And Yeltsin appointed him Minister of Defense in 2012?
          Thank you for correcting.
  3. +3
    19 October 2022 05: 01
    The joint use of two different systems is unlikely to give fundamental advantages of a combat nature, but it will improve the economic and operational performance of missile units.

    Yes, this will not happen! Unlike Geraniums, such missiles will not give anything fundamentally new, but new parts will have to be formed, rocket men will have to be trained, because completely different missiles and, more importantly, launchers!
    1. +2
      19 October 2022 09: 39
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Unlike Geraniums, such missiles will not give anything fundamentally new, but new parts will have to be formed, rocket men will have to be trained, because completely different missiles and, more importantly, launchers!

      In Russia, the decommissioned Tochka-U should be in storage. There are also launchers, and missiles, and rocket launchers. The Armed Forces of Ukraine used these complexes until recently with might and main. And very effectively.
      1. -7
        19 October 2022 10: 21
        It is advisable not to use dots-U for political reasons. Too many provocations have been done from them, then new ones will come and they will be attributed to us.
        1. 0
          19 October 2022 11: 50
          Quote: wlkw
          It is advisable not to use dots-U for political reasons. Too many provocations have been done from them, then new ones will come and they will be attributed to us.

          Yes, that is right. But as they wrote below, the consumption of missiles is higher than their production, that is, sooner or later they will have to take such steps. Maybe there are some ways to change the marking of these missiles and additionally publicly announce the scope of the use of these missiles outside settlements.
          By the way, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already used these missiles for a provocation in Kramatorsk. For the Western media, the arguments of our specialists that these missiles are no longer used by the Russian Armed Forces have not "entered". The hysteria subsided only after an Italian journalist leaked a photo with fragments of this rocket from the same series that shelled Donetsk.
          1. -1
            20 October 2022 18: 18
            Quote: Askold65
            For the Western media, the arguments of our experts that these missiles are no longer used by the Russian Armed Forces have not "entered". The hysteria subsided only after an Italian journalist leaked a photo with fragments of this rocket from the same series that shelled Donetsk.

            Uses and how. In the summer there were a lot of photos with trains on the ktr there were points y. and the trains were moving towards the front.
            Regarding the missiles of the same series: do you seriously think that in the Union they distributed missiles into series? Keep the military districts in the Ukrainian SSR, here is a series for you, and for you the eastern military district is such a series)))) missiles were sent to the VO as they were spent in exercises or as the old ones expired. So missiles of the same series can be in service with Ukraine and Russia. And also in a bunch of other countries where we supplied them. mind you, I'm not saying that Russia hit Kramotorsk, it's just that the evidence that you cited is outdated)
            1. 0
              21 October 2022 09: 52
              Quote: liberal
              Uses and how. In the summer there were a lot of photos with trains on the ktr there were points y. and the trains were moving towards the front.


              Let me remind you that the provocation was in April, not in the summer. Photos, as always of such a plan, are at least a dime a dozen in the liberal media. As with the notorious Buk that shot down a Boeing. And whose "dots" are these, where these "dots" stood, when did they stand and whether these "dots" are, or is it just a photoshop. At that moment, there was no need for the Russian Armed Forces to use the "Tochka-U" REMOVED from service, and for political reasons. What for ? I have never heard of the use of these missiles by the RF Armed Forces. The Iskander, unlike the Tochka, is almost impossible to shoot down.
              By the serial number, it is quite possible to track the movement of the rocket, up to the number of the military unit, but this is not even the main thing. The specialists calculated the flight trajectory of this missile according to the fragment of the tail part of the operational-tactical missile that fell off, which always falls a little closer than its head part. And if, using this knowledge, we look at the map of the territory where the warhead exploded and where its tail was found, it becomes obvious that the strike was delivered from the southwest. There were also eyewitnesses who saw which side the rocket came from.
              The operating range of the Tochka-U operational-tactical missile is 120 km. At a distance of 120 km from this point there are exclusively Ukrainian armed forces.
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                1. 0
                  21 October 2022 14: 00
                  Quote: liberal
                  Well, do not forget about the 47th missile brigade of the 8th Army, which was armed with Tochki-U (there is a report from a local TV channel). They were re-equipped with Iskanders only in January of this year.

                  Then remember that the NWO began at the end of February. That is, at this time, these complexes were no longer regular means of this brigade. And then comes the version - "Iskanders" ended, "Points" brought up. This is only a liberal hypothetical, possible version, but unconfirmed. But I don’t see any reason to launch the UR from the side of Ugledar towards Kramatorsk practically towards the advancing Russian troops. The liberal media are playing up the same version as with the village of Zaroshchensky in the event of an attack by a Malaysian Boeing with a Ukrainian missile, which the Russians captured in Georgia.
                  "Where in that area could there be Russian troops who could launch a rocket that could be brought from warehouses with weapons removed to fire at the Kramatorsk railway station." Apparently in order to stir up public opinion in the West, which is clearly on the side of Ukraine. Meaning !? Do you yourself believe in it? Although the word in your avatar speaks for itself and you are implicitly pushing the Ukrainian version. And, by the way, where was the "All-Seeing Eye" of American intelligence that controls all launches of ballistic and even anti-aircraft missiles, which did not comment on this strike? At least I haven't heard anything like that.
                  But the Ukrainian side had all the "cards in hand." And the missiles in service, and even from the same series (coincidence .....?), and the area from which this missile flew, and the unequivocal favor of the West, on whose reaction the Kyiv regime was counting. Yes, and a lot of experience in firing such missiles on the inhabitants of Donbass, which includes Kramatorsk (those who "fired on themselves"). ???????
                  The cynicism of the vile provocation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine adds several circumstances at once. Firstly, the inscription "For children" was painted on the body of the rocket, although it was the children (and their mothers), according to some reports, who were the main victims of the strike. Secondly, the Ukrainian authorities could not help but know that the evacuation of the civilian population is carried out just from the station: Kramatorsk is still under the control of Ukraine. This, judging by the strike tactics, should have led to a different result and the transfer of responsibility to the Russian military. But the Russian Ministry of Defense from the very beginning of "Operation Z" notes that the Russian army does not strike civilian targets. In addition, there is little strategic value at the Kramatorsk railway station: this is not a railway hub, there are no accumulations of military equipment.
        2. Alf
          +1
          19 October 2022 19: 48
          Quote: wlkw
          then new ones will come and they will be written off to us.

          And what will it change? Russia has already been appointed extreme on all sides.
      2. 0
        22 October 2022 19: 27
        There are slightly fewer drivers of three-axle vehicles in Russia than two-axle ones))))
    2. -1
      19 October 2022 09: 55
      It will be at least another year, or maybe like with I-I for 10 years. Missile consumption is higher than their production. Therefore, either hard shell hunger or purchases.

      Points - quite significantly reduce the depth of destruction, and hence the possibility of command. The Iranian ones, on the contrary, will expand, as they fly further than Iskander.
      1. +1
        19 October 2022 10: 06
        Quote: donavi49
        It will be at least another year, or maybe like with I-I for 10 years. Missile consumption is higher than their production. Therefore, either hard shell hunger or purchases.
        Do not wait! laughing (more precisely, you will be interrupted).
        Quote: donavi49
        Points - quite significantly reduce the depth of destruction, and hence the possibility of command.
        But they will reduce the load on the Iskanders. But yes, yes.

        Quote: donavi49
        The Iranian ones, on the contrary, will expand, as they fly further than Iskander.

        Iskander, as far as I know, is an artificially reduced range missile.
  4. +3
    19 October 2022 05: 16
    After such news, "Katz offers to surrender", no matter how sad it may sound. Chubais's ideology "we don't need anything of our own, we'll buy everything from others" has won :(
    1. -5
      19 October 2022 05: 43
      Quote: Vladimir80
      After such news, "kaz offers to surrender", no matter how sad it may sound

      You read such comments and understand why in 1941 all radios were confiscated from the population ...
      1. +6
        19 October 2022 07: 19
        So everything is always bad. Then remove the imported sniper rifles from the specialists, by the way, take away the smartphones too. They buy and buy, there are not many such weapons. Moreover, Ukraine 2 still looms, in the form of Kazakhstan, so more is better.
        1. +1
          20 October 2022 12: 04
          And also ripstop, cordura fasteners like molly, fastex latches, tactical headphones like peltors of the same ones, and so on. And fighters will come out in sackcloth, with armor of a prehistoric design 6b1 at best, which saved only from fragments or those with sandbags. Well, according to the classics SSH-40
  5. +4
    19 October 2022 07: 16
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Vladimir80
    After such news, "kaz offers to surrender", no matter how sad it may sound

    You read such comments and understand why in 1941 all radios were confiscated from the population ...

    And Suvorov constantly won, because there were no radios at all.
    1. -3
      19 October 2022 08: 53
      Quote from olgherd
      Suvorov constantly won, because there were no radios at all.

      Naturally. For the same maneuvers of Suvorov in Switzerland, all Catherine's telegram channels would demand executions. And this despite the fact that he did not encounter Napoleon, only with the French, ahem, limited contingent. And without radio - the glory and pride of the Russian army.
    2. +5
      19 October 2022 09: 02
      maybe so - he fought for himself to win, and no one brainwashed him, what is possible, what is impossible
  6. +5
    19 October 2022 07: 26
    the question is, have we disposed of our points U already?
    1. -6
      19 October 2022 09: 53
      They are being actively utilized by launches now. However, here the problem is that the depth of the lesion drops sharply.
  7. +6
    19 October 2022 08: 05
    Alas ... the author did not give out the full information known to date ... there are inaccuracies and defaults!
    1. There is infa that the Fateh-110 has a case diameter not of 600 mm, but of 610 mm ... The warhead "weighs" about 450 kg, which is only 30 kg less than the Iskander! The latest modifications of the Fateh are 110C u 110D... On the "base" of "Fateh" "Zolfagar" was created. The range and weight of warheads were increased not only by adding the length of the hull, but also the diameter of the hull (hull diameter increased from 610 mm to 680 mm ...). range \u700d 580 km; warhead weight \u110d approx. 650 kg is the weight of the warhead of the further development of Zolfagar, namely the ''Dezful'' with a range of up to 1000 km, which makes it possible to attribute this missile to the IRBM!
    1. +2
      19 October 2022 08: 40
      Nicholas, good morning. You know more than Cyril.
      Maybe go: freelance writer on the site.?
      There was a conversation that you should prepare an article for the site. How are things moving?
      1. +3
        19 October 2022 09: 00
        Quote: vladcub
        Maybe go: freelance writer on the site.?

        Thanks for the offer, but I don't consider myself a big connoisseur ... and that's fair! And one more thing ... I don’t remember something to promise an article about missiles! Do not be offended ... it’s not easy for me now ... My wife was seriously injured at the dacha, and I am torn between repairing the dacha "killed" by the previous owners ("Process" has already gone so far that it is already impossible to stop it ...) and caring for my wife! I appear on VO in fits and starts and "quickly" ...
        1. +1
          23 October 2022 09: 03
          Just start with the repair, and then you yourself are not happy: it needs to be replaced, then tightened up. And everything is urgent
  8. +3
    19 October 2022 08: 54
    We trade with Iran. That is, it is necessary to take something from him in exchange for grain. Well, why not rockets? Until they come in handy
    1. 0
      23 October 2022 09: 14
      "for now they will come in handy" and a loophole will appear to cut the budget: new launchers are needed for a new rocket, and for them ....
  9. 0
    19 October 2022 09: 05
    Quote: svp67
    You read such comments and understand why in 1941 all radios were confiscated from the population ..

    Yeah ... but on the other hand, it's not too late to turn off the Internet for idiots.
    1. Alf
      +1
      19 October 2022 19: 50
      Quote: Vladimir Michailovich
      It's not too late to turn off the Internet idiots.

      And who will you consider as such? Those who have a different opinion from the powerful fairy tales?
  10. 0
    19 October 2022 09: 07
    Quote from olgherd
    And Suvorov constantly won, because there were no radios at all.

    Of course...
  11. 0
    19 October 2022 09: 12
    The policy aimed at the purchase of strike weapons indicates only one factor - the lack of its own. We are fighting with all Soviet ...
  12. -1
    19 October 2022 09: 30
    About the "fatehs".
    1) comrade Vladimir U, right: using "fatek" and "iskander" together is not realistic.
    Various performance characteristics, "Iskander" are already known in the army, and if there are any problems, this happens, they know how to fix it, but "Fatekh" ...
    2) it seems to me that "fateh" was created jointly by the North Koreans, and the North Koreans, like the Chinese, are copyists.
    The Chinese are punctual, for better or worse, but they have long been able to copy, and then develop and improve. North Koreans relatively recently, since the 60s, began to work and still cannot improve like the Chinese
  13. 0
    19 October 2022 10: 41
    The value of these missiles is not clear whether we need it or not ....
    On the other hand, wars are now being waged also in an incomprehensible way.
    I'm just leading the conversation to the fact that if we need it, I want to try it, then we can take the launcher on "leasing" laughing or a lease, in order to smear the army and government from possible side effects, of a formal sense, transfer these launchers to some private company "a la Wagner" and hire Iranians into it for a contract ..... Well, work with these missiles.
    1. +1
      19 October 2022 12: 07
      I’m reading the comments, well, for sure, the General Staff of the Armed Forces. Have you thought how many objects need to be destroyed? And you think that our missiles will be enough, but of course not enough. Because they didn’t prepare. In addition, there are important, but secondary goals, the same bridges. you don’t need to talk, you need one answer. And the more the easier it is for the guys on the front line. To beat day and night and a rocket is one of the main components of our victory.
      1. 0
        20 October 2022 14: 27
        But even NATO has plans for an invasion, by the way.
  14. 0
    19 October 2022 13: 09
    The characteristics of the Zolfagar shorter-range complex look much more interesting. A missile of this type can fly 700 km, and in this respect is superior to the Iskander ammunition.

    request
    Hmm, what will happen to the RMSD agreement? Everything, since 2019, how has he died, now we are waiting for Pershing or what is there with partners?
    "On March 4, Vladimir Putin signed a decree on Russia's suspension of the implementation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF Treaty), while at the same time, in a commentary to this decree, Vladimir Putin noted that Russia does not plan to deploy missiles subject to the INF Treaty in border areas. "
  15. +1
    19 October 2022 15: 00
    If we also connect the DPRK (and it also has the whole line), then we will take everyone "to dust" (just kidding / not a joke)
    And so - some kind of shame ... if you can understand from the UAV - they didn’t guess the trends, then in the BR ... damn the founders ...... they buy from those who copied from copiers who copied from the USSR. PPC.
    It's not even about range. Iskander's range of 500 km is quite enough for the territory of Ukraine .... and even his complex GOS are not really needed there. We need standard BR with modern accuracy.
    1. 0
      19 October 2022 17: 16
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And so - some kind of shame ... if you can understand from the UAV - they didn’t guess the trends, then in the BR ... damn the founders ...... they buy from those who copied from copiers who copied from the USSR. PPC.

      All questions - to the INF Treaty. Which for the Russian Federation ceased to operate only in August 2019.
      Until that time, the development, testing and production of ground-based missiles and ballistic missiles with a range of 500 km to 5500 km was strictly prohibited. The only "vent" was the ALCM, SLCM and anti-ship missiles.
      Because of this agreement, all sorts of perversions appeared, such as RTOs with long-range SLCMs or Onyx firing at coastal targets.
  16. 0
    19 October 2022 15: 59
    When the enemy does not have a lot of beautiful and thick missiles, it is always nice. These missiles, something between an advanced guided projectile and a ballistic missile, in the final section can be remotely controlled with guidance to the target - i.e. allows you to "spud" moving objects. Unlike Russian counterparts, it can be produced in decent batches and use non-glonass chips that are nowhere to be found...
    1. -1
      20 October 2022 15: 35
      ummm .... no one ever uses ballistic missiles to hit moving targets, this is the prerogative of anti-ship missiles and there the price tag is many times higher
      1. -2
        20 October 2022 15: 56
        "no one ever ... and there the price tag is many times higher" - Iran is not such a rich country as to have a huge range of weapons, update and maintain them, and the 21st century is in the yard, most of the weapons are becoming "intelligent" to arrange inexpensive wars blitzkrieg style. Incl. the most important thing is to use such missiles against US ships located in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea, where there is very dense air defense for cruise missiles. By the way, the phrase "no one and never" always leads to surprise and failure, as it was with the Maginot line, it was the same in the swamps of Belarus.
        1. -1
          20 October 2022 16: 02
          ok, since you have classified data, then which ballistic missiles of Iran can hit moving targets?
          1. -2
            20 October 2022 16: 22
            No problem - Fateh-110 Mod 3 ASMB...
            1. -1
              20 October 2022 16: 27
              Only this is not a missile for attacking "moving targets". This is a missile with a seeker - its task, when approaching, is to correct the flight to accurately hit the target. The basic means they still have are winged anti-ship missiles
              1. -2
                20 October 2022 16: 33
                Wow, how fast, but here's the catch - it is controlled by everything - the operator, in addition to automatic guidance, because, unlike the United States, Iran does not have such capabilities for tracking targets, especially at a great distance. https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/mushak.htm

                And sorry, what kind of "basic means" does Iran have in the form of anti-ship missiles with similar characteristics that can break through at least US naval air defense?
                1. -1
                  20 October 2022 17: 15
                  uh and? All ballistic missiles have long been guided, the only difference is that some can reach at the final stage after clarification, while others can’t. You don’t understand what “shooting at moving targets” means. About “which ones can break through” - yes, any anti-ship missiles in the right amount, the same Gadir.
                  1. -1
                    20 October 2022 17: 32
                    Yes??? It can’t be, in my opinion, there are two ways to break through air defense, quantitative and qualitative, the first assumes that the enemy’s countermeasures will run out faster than the means of attack, and the second that the countermeasures will not be able to have an effect on the means of attack. So, ballistic missiles have two qualitative characteristics 1. Head speed on the final trajectory, which is higher than the reaction speed of the air defense system or the speed capabilities / range of anti-missiles and radars. 2 - Maneuvering a small head, hardly noticeable on the locators, in the final section to avoid anti-missiles. And by the way, I can fully imagine what shooting at moving targets like a ship is about 500 kilometers from the coastline, which uses both physical and electronic warfare countermeasures ...
          2. 0
            21 October 2022 10: 45
            Quote: Barberry25
            ok, since you have classified data, then which ballistic missiles of Iran can hit moving targets?

            I don’t know about Iran, but China has a PCBM. So, perhaps, the ayatollahs were able to gash the anti-ship warhead BR. At least, I would consider such a probability to be non-zero hi
  17. 0
    19 October 2022 20: 20
    Quote: Alf
    And who will you consider as such? Those who have a different opinion from the powerful fairy tales?

    No citizens of other states posing as Russian patriots.
  18. 0
    19 October 2022 23: 42
    At one time we had a lot of skat missiles. Did they cut everything into scrap metal? Or all the same, they remained, like dots-y in storage. Why not use them now. After all, it is a cheap and effective weapon. The Nazis use dots. And all these Iranian Fateh-110 or Zolfagar are improved copies of our Skat missiles
  19. +1
    20 October 2022 03: 26
    Kapets Iran, which has been living under sanctions for many years, has overtaken us, and instead of producing our own UAVs, we buy from it, and we also want to buy missiles from them in addition. Now it’s clear why, according to all programs of air and ship buildings, the deadlines are shifted to the right, why there are no Armata, KAZ complexes, Su-57, hunter, Kurgan, platform-o, A-100 AWACS, our analogues of bayraktar and other hyped wunderwaffles in the army, which were to be operational by 2020. Due to the incompetence and corruption of some responsible leaders, our army suffers losses, and because of the mistakes of others, our officers and soldiers pay with their lives.
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      20 October 2022 15: 34
      but don’t tell me why Iran licks its lips at our fighters very much? Perhaps the “incompetence of domestic leaders” is also to blame for this?
      1. +1
        20 October 2022 15: 50
        This is precisely the merit of the Soviet officials who created the design bureaus, built enterprises, Soviet aircraft designers, and test pilots, without them, modern Russia would not have its own school of aircraft engineering, unfortunately our country lost its leadership in the same UAVs of the USSR was the leader, and even with civilian aviation was in full order, and modern officials only exploit Soviet developments, and there are very few of their own created in modern Russia, at such a pace the nearest competitors will catch up with us and overtake us and our products will no longer be of interest to anyone
        1. -1
          20 October 2022 15: 56
          everything is simple, if you remove the pathos, those systems are purchased from Iran that we do not produce or are limited in production, and Iran is interested in purchasing what it cannot produce. In fact, the most modern Iranian missile is inferior to ours, but they have their stock , which we need since we have already emptied our warehouses quite significantly, so there is no need to arrange a classic game of topvar in sophistry here
          1. -1
            20 October 2022 17: 02
            Everything is much simpler, in the late 80s there were two superpowers that were inaccessible to other countries in scientific and technological terms. After 30 years of marking time at the expense of the USSR, the same Iran has already caught up with the Russian Federation in many areas. If she tramples on the spot for another 20-30 years, you look, she will already look at Iran in the back. I’m not talking about the same South Korea that traded rice in the 70s, riveted cheap stuff under licenses in the 90s, and today the high-tech leader ...
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              20 October 2022 17: 18
              Those. Does Iran know how to hypersound? Or do we know how to use Iran in Space? And in the Fifth generation? Or attack helicopters? I repeat, Iran invested in several basic areas and was able to create a mass product in them, and not the best, but MASSIVE. Set the task of design bureau to make the same drones -kamikaze and knock on the hands of the Ministry of Defense and we will have drones an order of magnitude better than Iranian ones in a short time .. no, you need to make Yaroslavna cry and engage in sophistry
              1. -1
                20 October 2022 17: 26
                Hypersound is a legacy of the USSR, helicopters are a legacy of the USSR, the fifth generation is a legacy of the USSR, I repeat - Iran is under sanctions and it is moving forward developing what it didn’t have at all in the 80s, and it caught up with the Russian Federation in these directions. Better compare the current Russian Federation with the tiny South Korea, which under the USSR was a semi-backward country. By the way, I thought of something, Iran has a textile, automotive, electrical industry, and they are developing it under sanctions and without investment. Let's see what will happen in Russia in 10 years ...
                1. -1
                  20 October 2022 18: 25
                  and also a bunch of technologies that they received from other countries, including from the USSR / Russia, so I repeat, enough is already sophistry, they turned the resource into a bunch of whiners
                  1. -1
                    21 October 2022 10: 48
                    Quote: Barberry25
                    and also a bunch of technologies that they received from other countries, including from the USSR / Russia, so I repeat, enough is already sophistry, they turned the resource into a bunch of whiners

                    Yes, you don’t like cheers, patriots, constructive criticism feel...
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                      21 October 2022 11: 33
                      when it starts then there will be a conversation, but in fact now it’s Yaroslavna’s crying with sophistry
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                        21 October 2022 13: 07
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        when it starts then there will be a conversation, but in fact now it’s Yaroslavna’s crying with sophistry

                        It's funny ... Your opponent cited a lot of facts, you didn’t refute any of them, you only add unsubstantiated statements, but accuse him of sophistry winked
                        Protective craft - it's like that, I understand ... it's not always friendly with logic request
  20. 0
    20 October 2022 07: 30
    The author is complete nonsense. Drones and their production technology are one thing, and it is a completely different matter when it comes to such products. Which are far from reaching our samples of similar weapons, from which, by the way, they were copied. Iranian products can be considered as potentially interesting only if there is a need for mass use, such as heavy artillery shells. But I think it will hardly come to this, in Ukraine, after all, there are not bottomless storages of idiots for "cannon fodder".
  21. 0
    20 October 2022 15: 27
    There is one key issue here - the industrial production capacity of missiles in Russia - if there are large restrictions and it is more efficient to buy Iranian missiles at this stage, then it makes sense to buy missiles - in war as in war. In general, it is necessary to expand the production of missiles in Russia, for example, we have a certain stock of missiles for the S-300 with an expiring shelf life and they can be converted for ground strikes
  22. +1
    20 October 2022 22: 55
    We need a "cheap" mass BR for Iskander. Not for all purposes (and in Ukraine they are no longer needed at all) advanced missiles and GOS. We need a step back with modern Glonnas and inertial systems. Like the Iranian BR. And more.