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French General: During the conflict in Ukraine, more than a thousand tanks were destroyed, and we have only 220 of them

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French General: During the conflict in Ukraine, more than a thousand tanks were destroyed, and we have only 220 of them

So Leclerc



France may have serious problems with the country's defense in the event of a real military conflict, France 2 TV channel notes.
According to the channel, the French army is sorely lacking in material and human resources, which casts doubt on its ability to effectively defend the country in the event of an outside attack.

The events in Ukraine have shown that long-forgotten in Europe methods of warfare using a large number of military and equipment, with fronts many kilometers long, etc., are returning back. But are the European armies and, in particular, the French, capable of defending the country in such conditions, asks France 2.

According to French President Emmanuel Macron, this problem exists and therefore the country cannot supply so much weapons to Ukraine, as much as Kyiv asks.

The real picture shows that the position of France in the event of an attack from outside will be very problematic. According to France 2, the country has only a 100-strong ground army, of which only 25% will be able to quickly begin combat missions. This number of soldiers is barely enough to hold 83 kilometers of the front, the TV channel states.

This number, of course, will increase many times over, as mobilization will be announced, but all this will take a lot of time. In addition, military equipment will not be enough for these human resources. Sending weapons to Ukraine has already led to a shortage of military equipment in the French army. Thus, by transferring 18 Caesar self-propelled guns to Kyiv, the country lost a quarter of its stocks of this type of weapon.

According to the former head of French military intelligence, General Christophe Gomard, more than a thousand tanks, while France has only 220.

In a few weeks of war, we will lose them all

said the general.

As noted by France 2, this situation in the French army was the result of a policy in which the French authorities were convinced that the days when they had to defend their territory were a thing of the past.

This state of affairs is also explained by the fact that France is protected from direct invasion by the presence of nuclear weapons, as well as the presence of the country in NATO, according to former French defense minister Evre Morin.

To change the situation in the army, the state has been increasing military spending since 2017, and against the backdrop of the Ukrainian crisis, work in this direction is planned to be strengthened.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 October 2022 17: 26
    +2
    And where did the AMX30 go? Have you thought about upgrading them?
    1. Eroma
      Eroma 17 October 2022 17: 58
      +6
      Amx30 is a really outdated vehicle, with extremely weak armor and a 105mm gun that is not capable of penetrating modern front-line battle tanks at close range! Therefore, its role is secondary areas, on the example of our T62, only with worse survivability!
      France really doesn’t have tanks, just like in Britain and Italy, there are several hundred cars everywhere! Only Germany, in fact, has a normal amount of Leopard 2 in stock in varying degrees of readiness! But France should have wheeled vehicles for infantry in bulk! Not very good with artillery in Europe
      1. Stas 2rep
        Stas 2rep 18 October 2022 05: 55
        +2
        With wheeled AFVs, it also somehow didn’t work out. VABs are in the final stage of life and their number in the troops is drastically reduced. The VBCI is extremely small, with only a few regiments manned. And VBMR GRIFON is still exotic, there are only a dozen of them.
      2. insafufa
        insafufa 18 October 2022 09: 39
        -6
        I will tell you a secret on board modern tanks will not withstand the old 8,8 cm FlaK 18/36/37 so that Amx30 will be better than 2s25 octopus sd
        1. Eroma
          Eroma 18 October 2022 14: 07
          +2
          You still need to get on board! Such an opportunity is unlikely to simply be provided! No.
          With regards to the Octopus, your statement is controversial! Against MBT and ATGM, both vehicles have no armor! Amx30 is better protected from small things, yes. In mobility, the Octopus has an advantage, due to the ability to swim, and it is lighter, it is possible that the patency through any mud is higher. But the main advantage of the Octopus is a 125mm MBT gun, which allows you to hit tanks head-on! Which greatly increases the efficiency of the machine!
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 17 October 2022 18: 40
      +8
      Quote: Thrifty
      And where did the AMX30 go? Have you thought about upgrading them?

      To fall into despair, you need to know not only how many tanks you have, but also how many tanks your neighbor, a potential aggressor, has. And which of France's neighbors is threatening tanks?
      1. neworange88
        neworange88 17 October 2022 19: 26
        +6
        Germany except. what There is no one else. But things are about the same there. Seeing only Africa will help Zelensky with its stocks of Soviet equipment sold earlier by Ukraine itself. It's time for Ukraine to change its slogan America with us to the slogan Africa with us.

        .Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia transferred the entire stock of their T-72 tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the hope of replacing them at a bargain price with more or less modern "leopards" and "abrams". only those involved in the modernization of the existing fleet cannot launch the production of new vehicles in the near future. As for Germany, everything is much worse with the production of tanks. For the last 20 years, if not more, Germany, like most EU members, has greatly reduced its military budget and began to slowly increase the production of military equipment only after 2014. But now, due to the acute energy and raw material crisis in Europe, threatening economic collapse in the medium term, Germany is experiencing a huge shortage of resources to pull the military industry to the level of the Cold War, which causes powerful irritation of the "junior partners" who transferred the entire fleet of Soviet armored vehicles to Ukraine and are now in limbo, as the Germans promise to begin deliveries of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, except perhaps in the next five years. At the same time, none of the “allies” of Ukraine is in a hurry to touch the “leopards” that are in service, because they themselves will come in handy. Even Spain, which “firmly” promised to transfer its Leopard-2A4 not the first freshness to the APU, eventually backed down, explaining the refusal by the “disgusting technical condition of the machines after many years of inactivity.”

        https://m.politnavigator.net/chto-zakonchitsya-ranshe-ukraina-ili-zapadnaya-voennaya-pomoshh.html
        1. insafufa
          insafufa 18 October 2022 09: 43
          +3
          You’re talking about leopards here, they can’t even put the M60, well, you made me laugh.
          1. Jager
            Jager 18 October 2022 17: 52
            +1
            By the way, yes. The Americans were supposed to have hundreds of quite suitable M60s left at the storage bases. This is not an "Abrams", but quite a good and reliable car. For some reason they are not visible.
        2. Fedor M
          Fedor M 18 October 2022 12: 52
          -1
          What is stopping us from taking Berlin again and threatening France???
          1. neworange88
            neworange88 18 October 2022 12: 53
            +11
            Avdiivka is still in the way. Yes, and Kyiv cannot be left in the rear.
          2. Hort
            Hort 18 October 2022 17: 46
            +1
            why should we take Berlin? It is necessary to make sure that the Germans themselves take it and revive the GDR, only this time throughout Germany soldier
  2. Lom_l
    Lom_l 17 October 2022 17: 26
    +6
    And these fools are also handing over artillery and other weapons to the Ukrainians. Well done, nothing to say!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 October 2022 17: 30
      +9
      Quote from Lom_l
      And these fools are also handing over artillery and other weapons to the Ukrainians. Well done, nothing to say!

      And someone is going to attack them in the near future? And their military-industrial complex will gladly release new weapons in any desired quantity.
      1. Lom_l
        Lom_l 17 October 2022 18: 51
        +1
        And someone is going to attack them in the near future?
        Then the army is not needed out? What about tanks too? Has France released a lot of tanks lately? And the production is probably left?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 October 2022 20: 52
          0
          Quote from Lom_l
          And someone is going to attack them in the near future?
          Then the army is not needed out? What about tanks too? Has France released a lot of tanks lately? And the production is probably left?

          Production remains, increasing is not a problem.
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 18 October 2022 08: 55
            0
            There is a huge problem now, especially in France. There is not enough rare earth (China is a miser, but they quarreled with Africa), the steel industry is only of high processing (all sorts of super duper alloy steels in a small volume, with armor plates for sandwiches on an industrial scale of the problem) and extreme dependence on energy supplies (of which there are almost none). The personnel is also in minimal volumes, it will take 3 years to sharply increase it to produce 5-10 thousand tanks, and the tanks themselves will do another 20 years, if there is something laughing
            It seems that all the prosperity achieved was based on extremely small contributions to defense and extremely cheap energy resources and metal rolling from the "eastern partner since the 90s."
            1. insafufa
              insafufa 18 October 2022 09: 51
              +1
              Already discussing in Germany the restart of coal mines of energy they will provide for themselves. Somewhere out there, Gretta is crying softly. They also developed the processing of nuclear waste into fuel. now they are building new powerful nuclear units for 1600 MW. Do not forget the conflict on the Ruin is needed to restart the European and American industries. The United States is trying, like 91, 2003, to rob someone in order to squeeze themselves out. Europe serves today to those who are now being torn apart, their brains and financial assets are being drained, and there will be no one who needs impoverished Europe, and it will return to its usual state.
              1. vadimtt
                vadimtt 18 October 2022 10: 08
                +2
                They do not have a full-fledged industrial processing of irradiated fuel into new, and MOX, in general, is a half-measure (and the financial condition of AREVA is an indicator of this). For a full cycle, fast reactors are needed, and they are only in projects, moreover, draft ones and without justification. Regulators send such designers regularly and far away (and rightly so). And 6 new blocks (construction since 28 and still with a vague prospect) with 56 workers - this is just a replacement for retiring capacities. But in general, yes, France turned out to be smarter than many in this matter and did not go to the destruction of the nuclear industry (although it was notably feverish).
              2. miner
                miner 19 October 2022 08: 19
                0
                From what I read about the coal industry in Germany, as I understand it, easily accessible and high-quality coal has already been dug up there. There is lignite, but there are doubts that environmental activists will allow its widespread use. There is little heat from it, but a lot of waste.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 17 October 2022 19: 58
        +1
        Are you sure about this? I'm not even talking about the gas crisis, but a couple of years ago I looked at the graters of their workers from the Peugeot factory with its own administration. To arrange the release of their moneybags need to fork out, like ours too. And it's not so much about paying more, although that too.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 October 2022 20: 53
          0
          Quote: Alexander Salenko
          Are you sure about this? I'm not even talking about the gas crisis, but a couple of years ago I looked at the graters of their workers from the Peugeot factory with its own administration. To arrange the release of their moneybags need to fork out, like ours too. And it's not so much about paying more, although that too.

          90%+ of energy in France is generated by nuclear power plants.
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 18 October 2022 07: 21
            0
            Is that why Macron started yelling about gas prices? Once again, I'm not talking about the energy crisis, but about qualifications, by the way, we have the same problem.
          2. vadimtt
            vadimtt 18 October 2022 08: 59
            0
            How many new units has France put into operation in the last 10 years? How is AREVA doing financially?
            1. insafufa
              insafufa 18 October 2022 10: 21
              0
              As far as I remember, they have been building the Oukilute nuclear power plant since the late 2000s
              1. vadimtt
                vadimtt 18 October 2022 15: 54
                +1
                This is one of the most famous long-term construction laughing
                Worse only Westinghouse did (or rather left unfinished).
          3. smart fellow
            smart fellow 18 October 2022 10: 59
            0
            Nuclear power generates 70,6% of electricity in France.
            https://is.gd/pN9c8f
      3. unhappy
        unhappy 18 October 2022 07: 27
        0
        You have strange reasoning after what happened. It turned out that the army, arsenals and equipment at storage bases are needed NOW and not after a five-year production cycle, moreover, existing factories with well-functioning production hi
    2. lucul
      lucul 17 October 2022 17: 40
      +1
      And these fools are also handing over artillery and other weapons to the Ukrainians. Well done, nothing to say!

      I watch the Western press, and so, they are completely convinced there (as their propaganda broadcasts) that NATO will easily defeat Russia, they just have to want to. And they do not do this, only because of their alleged philanthropy (yeah).
      ))))
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 17 October 2022 17: 54
        +10
        They don't do it because of nuclear weapons. And so they obviously would not mess around, as we do in Ukraine.
        1. Petr_Koldunov
          Petr_Koldunov 17 October 2022 20: 48
          -2
          Quote: Lykases1
          They don't do it because of nuclear weapons.

          That's the thing about what they do. And they do it without sparing resources and to the great detriment of themselves ... but it doesn’t work out in any way. And it's not about nuclear weapons. They have already thrown everything they can to destroy Russia ... but it still doesn’t work out.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 17 October 2022 23: 25
            +3
            Quote: Peter_Koldunov
            They already all that is possible thrown to the destruction of Russia ...

            I haven’t seen a video with thousands of planes, tanks and the NATO fleet .. can you throw a link? after all, do you agree that this is their main, real strength, and not a couple of dozen highmars and a hundred modern guns? they have only 29 tanks, 000 aircraft .. even if half "does not work" .. it is also clear with the fleet .. everyone also thinks
            Quote: Peter_Koldunov
            They've thrown everything they can
            ?
      2. Plate
        Plate 17 October 2022 18: 14
        +7
        We have propaganda about Ukraine broadcasting the same thing and still gives out such thoughts. I think this is true for everyone. We, if anything, will do them all with one hand, but what kind of "if anything" is, we need to clarify in the office, but we have no time, a tight schedule, and indeed ...
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 17 October 2022 18: 22
        +4
        Quote: lucul
        I watch the Western press, and so, they are completely convinced there (as their propaganda broadcasts) that NATO will easily defeat Russia, as soon as they want to

        And every NATO member counts on the same. America will do everything for us.
      4. for
        for 17 October 2022 18: 35
        0
        Quote: lucul
        I watch the Western press, so

        I believe her when it suits me and I don't believe her either.
  3. Buyan
    Buyan 17 October 2022 17: 27
    +7
    The frogs began to suspect something wassat give up immediately
  4. faterdom
    faterdom 17 October 2022 17: 30
    +5
    France's case is simple and does not require many tanks: you have to guess who to surrender in time. Emmanuelle is not only a male president, but ... Emmanuelle was already here, to the good music she died to relax and enjoy.
    1. novel66
      novel66 17 October 2022 18: 06
      +8
      not just give up, but also participate later in the conference of winners
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 18 October 2022 10: 28
        0
        Well, in vain you are so talking about the French, they have long been promoting the pan-European army of the European Union. This will allow them to restart the defense industry. So in the army of the European Union, by the way, 6030 tanks are in service by the way. The circle is not sickly so.
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  6. Egoza
    Egoza 17 October 2022 17: 39
    +2
    Who knew what would be needed! And where is NATO? Or how it comes down to it - "every man for himself"!
    1. novel66
      novel66 17 October 2022 18: 09
      +4
      but it was necessary to watch Soviet cartoons!
  7. ALARI
    ALARI 17 October 2022 17: 42
    0
    Well, the French who fought and died in WWI are turning over in their graves and cursing their great-great-great-grandchildren. What has Macron and other presidents brought the country to since the defeat at Dien Bien Phu.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 October 2022 17: 55
      0
      Quote: ALARI
      Well, the French who fought and died in WWI are turning over in their graves and cursing their great-great-great-grandchildren.

      And those who fought in WWII remember Hitler with a kind word.
  8. Altmann
    Altmann 17 October 2022 17: 43
    -1
    History repeats itself, the enemy changes. What the general said, he probably graduated from several special schools, a Russian, Czech or Hungarian lieutenant colonel in the reserve according to his strength. We can still count up to 1000. am
  9. Normann
    Normann 17 October 2022 17: 47
    0
    So it is necessary to transfer all armored vehicles to Ukraine in general, then there will be no problem.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 October 2022 18: 26
      +1
      Quote: Normann
      So it is necessary in general to transfer all armored vehicles to Ukraine

      At the same time, get out of all sorts of "nats" and declare yourself a neutral country. Maybe then it will carry (but liquid) lol .
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 17 October 2022 20: 00
        0
        There are some problems here, toilet paper may not be enough, even reusable.
        1. mr wolf
          mr wolf 18 October 2022 09: 56
          +2
          The Chinese will help them, they have already fussed ...
  10. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 October 2022 17: 48
    +2
    This number of soldiers is barely enough to hold 83 kilometers of the front, the TV channel states.

    Or maybe, well, this Ukraine, and move directly to Paris, because there are only 85 kilometers of the front.
    1. Plate
      Plate 17 October 2022 18: 18
      +1
      You will have to go through Poland and Germany before that. Maybe not in Germany, but in Poland they can resist, I think. Well, they are angry with us there, which is already horror (and it is not clear why, most importantly). Although ... after Ukraine, the border with Hungary will appear, and Orban showed that it is possible to negotiate with him. Buy Austria for cheap gas - and now, access to Italy!
      1. Old Doctor
        Old Doctor 17 October 2022 18: 41
        +4
        Why is it not clear? According to the results of WWII and the efforts of Comrade Stalin, Poland received new territories and normal access to the sea, and not a small piece of the coast. After that war, the USSR invested in the restoration of Poland. We remember wisdom - having done a good good deed, try to dodge the kick of gratitude. And no good deed goes unpunished.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 17 October 2022 19: 09
          +1
          So they all waited for Joseph Vissarionovich to die. And with him they were afraid to utter a word
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 17 October 2022 20: 01
        0
        I also think that the Poles will resist, but their 240 tanks left for Ukraine, what great fellows, otherwise I read here before the North Military District how many armored brigades the Poles form, five, it seems.
      3. mirexes
        mirexes 23 October 2022 20: 50
        0
        History remembers how the Poles resisted the Germans, although they then had a not frail army
  11. Tuzik
    Tuzik 17 October 2022 17: 52
    -1
    "According to the former head of French military intelligence, General Christophe Gomard, more than a thousand tanks have already been destroyed in the Ukrainian conflict, while France has only 220 of them."
    We still need a dozen Leclercs, in Europe the voltage is 230
  12. dementor873
    dementor873 17 October 2022 17: 53
    0
    What are you afraid of? The main thing is to cook French croissants with coffee on the streets of Paris, and open a couple of Red Light Districts.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 17 October 2022 19: 49
      0
      figali there what to open? French women for warming up in the tank will be given to ours. and if they also pour 100 grams - even more so.
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 17 October 2022 20: 03
      0
      You completely forgot about the traditions, all this is good, but what about the bistro ?!
      1. Alexander Emrys
        Alexander Emrys 18 October 2022 11: 36
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Salenko
        You completely forgot about the traditions, all this is good, but what about the bistro ?!


        Let me remind you that in front of the "bistro" was burned Moscow.

        In general, of course, the jubilation of the local inhabitants is not particularly clear - the official enemy of the country has discovered a shortcoming in his army and plans to correct it. This is very bad for us. After all, an uncorrected flaw in the event of a conflict would work for us, and a corrected one will work against us.
        When in peacetime a shortcoming was found in the RF Armed Forces and plans were announced to correct it, this made me happy, because it meant that the problem was not being swept under the rug, but was beginning to be solved, strengthening the country's defense capability. And, even if the SVO revealed a lot of shortcomings, but if there were no peacetime corrections, it would still be worse than it is now. Yes, some reforms were unsuccessful, but still a lot of good things were done.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 18 October 2022 12: 16
          0
          So it’s not the other way around, and in general then the whole united Europe got hit on the ears, well, except for England, so the question here is rather why we still reached Paris, don’t you think?
  13. Bingo
    Bingo 17 October 2022 18: 05
    +1
    Yes, motherfucker, for almost 80 years all of Europe lay under the United States, becoming their colony - and who and when allowed the colonies to have their own armies?!!!
    Now good morning has come - and you realized that you did not feed your army - and now you are feeding someone else's! In the most direct, literal sense!!!
    Christmas trees, they have been talking about themselves for a long time - the only unit of the French army capable of fighting is the Foreign Legion! And these are mercenaries. this is not a fucking national army
    1. Alexander Emrys
      Alexander Emrys 18 October 2022 11: 40
      0
      The US always arms its satellites. It's part of their strategy to save the American guys that they have as citizens and not just cannon fodder. And for the death of many of his guys, any American politician runs the risk of flying out of his seat and losing power forever - this stimulates to protect them. Say which of their politicians "American women give birth to new ones" will fly out ahead of their screech and be canceled.
      Therefore, the United States pays for the armament of allies and satellites around the world in order to do most of the war work by proxy.
      Ukraine is now being pumped up with weapons precisely according to this principle, and its soldiers are being trained at the expense of the United States.
    2. Alexander Emrys
      Alexander Emrys 18 October 2022 11: 42
      0
      and I will separately note about the colonies - ALL large colonial empires had colonial troops. For example, the largest army in the British Empire was the Indian army, which consisted of English instructors and Hindu soldiers.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 17 October 2022 18: 07
    +1
    To change the situation in the army, the state has been increasing military spending since 2017, and against the backdrop of the Ukrainian crisis, work in this direction is planned to be strengthened.
    . Well, just in time they decided to start it!
    As if they don't have enough other problems?
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 17 October 2022 19: 13
      +2
      That's it, Victor, what happens
      Quote: rocket757
      ..... against the backdrop of the Ukrainian crisis ....

      That the Ukrainian crisis is only a background for the realization of the dreams of all European countries, how to rob and defeat Russia.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2022 08: 23
        +1
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        If you take a closer look, you can assume that for real, no one hopes to defeat Russia ... there are no great armies and other things, there are no serious leaders who can unite and create something!
        Those. the level of hotelok is small, mercantile, huckster ...
        Those. those who should remember everything, understand, they just don’t know how to act differently, they can’t ... they should keep what they have.
        In general, we do our business, do not relax and do what we must.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 October 2022 09: 06
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          .... it can be assumed that for real, no one hopes to defeat Russia ... .

          Greetings Victor bully ! You assume, "a test of the pen"‽at the same time, reports that the interest of staff members in our borders continues and increases, their planes have become more frequent ...... while in Moscow the Forum (or conference) of globalists) ..... according to them instructions
          famine, war, epidemics

          ----- the best and oldest means to reduce the population .....
          There are too many things going on at the same time....
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 October 2022 09: 25
            0
            Dmitry, we managed to lose only to ourselves!
            This is what you need to be wary of...
            Although the minke whales have some plans for bacteriology, they no longer hide this and are working on it.
            But the stick, as always, has two ends.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 18 October 2022 09: 48
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Dmitry, we managed to lose only to ourselves!
              This is what you need to be aware of....

              This is the worst loss ever, Victor. And there are many who play against. And they--- at the top.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 October 2022 10: 05
                0
                Against, against, there are not many of them ... there are simply indifferent people who contribute to negative, destructive processes, alas.
                And the top ones, not ours, only until OURS below united into one significant, main force!
                So always, so everywhere.
  15. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 17 October 2022 18: 13
    +2
    Not only tanks will not be able to protect, but also transgender people, with LGBT fighters in the French army.
    Vaabsche in vain did Stalin give France the status of a country of winners in World War II.
    undeservedly
  16. Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 17 October 2022 18: 28
    +4
    At a briefing by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on July 15, General Igor Konashenkov announced the destruction of 253 aircraft, 137 helicopters, 1 UAVs, 543 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 4 MLRS, 060 field artillery pieces and mortars.
    don't speak french
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 17 October 2022 19: 55
      -2
      Why so? Will a macro-gerontophile burst into tears, burying her sideburns in the wrinkled senile knees of her grandmother-wife?
    2. Cuckoo
      Cuckoo 17 October 2022 22: 31
      -1
      Well, I guess out of 4, 1000 were French, right?
  17. Old Doctor
    Old Doctor 17 October 2022 18: 38
    +2
    Is anyone going to attack France? I'm not at all an expert. My knowledge of armored vehicles is limited to a hobby - "gluing tanks". Well, at the same time I look - what real tanks have there. A modern tank is a very complex and expensive structure. And energy intensive. And if there is not enough coal, gas, electricity, how to smelt armored steel? I'm not talking about tank electronics. Looked - 50% of the cost of "Leclerc" - electronics.
    1. Bingo
      Bingo 17 October 2022 19: 15
      +2
      So they did Leclercs not for themselves, but for the sheikhs, so it was worth compared to any MBT of that time - like a racing Ferrari next to a Honda Civic) And half of the bells and whistles are not needed by the sheikhs - and certainly not needed by the French)))
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 17 October 2022 19: 52
        +1
        Sheikhs definitely don’t need a lot of things. but after all, they order, they buy: so that the bool!
        that's why they need tanks in the desert - they definitely won't get through there - they'll get bogged down in the sand. especially Abrashka. with their weight.
  18. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 October 2022 19: 09
    -2
    As France 2 notes, this situation in the French army was the result of a policy in which the French authorities were sure that the times when it was necessary defend your territory gone into the past.
    Well, if you do not calm down, then God himself ordered. feelEndless deliveries of weapons to Ukraine will lead to the devastation of arsenals, and then terrible Buryats, on mad tanks ... request Fini de la comedy, comedians.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 17 October 2022 19: 54
      0
      niii, there again the Cossacks can be allowed in - the second time to take Paris
  19. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 17 October 2022 20: 52
    0
    They drove the frogs from Africa, nationwide strikes are coming in the country, in Ukraine their weapons are being cut out, tanks or not on the suffice, monsieurs ... (not enough, in short :)))
    So I want to regret it. But remembering what kind of cattle they turned out to be, led by their kangaroo Macron - there is no pity!
  20. EMMM
    EMMM 17 October 2022 22: 25
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    If France wants to save the lives of its tankers, then it must donate its LeClerks to Ukraine. This is a step towards peace in Europe. Khokhlam this technique is like a grenade to a monkey.
  21. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 17 October 2022 22: 42
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    According to the former head of French military intelligence, General Christophe Gomard, more than a thousand tanks have already been destroyed in the Ukrainian conflict, while France has only 220 of them.

    And it will be even less when the frantic Melnik vomits, after all, "his" (relying to Ukraine) tanks, "his" tank share! wassat
  22. VLAD-96
    VLAD-96 17 October 2022 23: 07
    +1
    Frogs, the best weapons for you are white flags!
  23. Born_in_Russia
    Born_in_Russia 18 October 2022 11: 09
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    The supply of weapons will be returned to you with the destroyed infrastructure.
  24. Sergey39
    Sergey39 18 October 2022 11: 29
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    The French have made expensive military equipment! That Caesar, that Leclerc is an expensive technique! It's hard to make up for losses! Not to mention the increase in the tank fleet.
  25. Charik
    Charik 18 October 2022 11: 34
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    oh well, if you hold out like in WWII, then consider you won lol
  26. certero
    certero 18 October 2022 12: 05
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    I read a bunch of cheers of patriotic comments and the question arose Why is the T-62 being modernized here? Russia ran out of more modern tanks?
  27. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 18 October 2022 14: 55
    -1
    No one in their right mind can imagine that any of the neighboring countries of France will invade it with ground forces. France is a NATO country, and even without nuclear weapons around it, allies in the military bloc. In fact, France only needs an expeditionary force of 150 thousand bayonets to protect its interests abroad and no more.
    So all these cries are nothing more than lobbying for new orders for the military-industrial complex.
  28. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 18 October 2022 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: insafufa
    Already discussing in Germany the restart of coal mines of energy they will provide for themselves. Somewhere out there, Gretta is crying softly. They also developed the processing of nuclear waste into fuel. now they are building new powerful nuclear units for 1600 MW.


    And where does the infa about the developed processing of nuclear waste into fuel come from? In my opinion, only the Russian Federation has this technology. Well, the French have developments that are almost suitable for implementation. Did I not know something? Enlighten?
  29. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 18 October 2022 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: certero
    I read a bunch of cheers of patriotic comments and the question arose Why is the T-62 being modernized here? Russia ran out of more modern tanks?

    What about the meaning? It is easy to teach crews on the T-62 and it is full of pre-retirees who themselves can shake the old days and / or teach. Cheap and fast. Moreover, T-62s are used not as tanks themselves, but as a protected mobile artillery installation for direct infantry support. Assault Self-Propelled Installation. In fact, for its current use, the presence of a tower is redundant. Moreover, in the Russian Federation there are a lot of 115mm shells. Can be used for U., or can be disposed of for money (i.e., also the costs of disposal and the risks during its implementation)
  30. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 18 October 2022 15: 15
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    Quote: Fedor M
    What is stopping us from taking Berlin again and threatening France???

    Is that sarcasm for you?

    The lack of a common border with Germany interferes. We must first crush U., then Poland, then Germany, and only then can we threaten France.

    And why are you so brave why not in the SVO? By the time they reached France, they would have become a general. And there are Parisians and a freshly baked general! \neighs/ :)
  31. Suslik_2
    Suslik_2 19 October 2022 15: 19
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    The medical board did not screw up - the general's eyesight is fine. The bad news for him is that tanks were and will remain consumables, like all other property and called-ups, the only question is how long this property and these called-ups will last on the battlefield if they are modern and trained - then for a relatively long time if they are not trained and obsolete - then very few, i.e. the only question is the superiority of the effectiveness of the available resources over the available resources of the enemy. The few AMX-56 tanks are already quite outdated, and in terms of capabilities they don’t even reach the T-90, requiring expensive upgrades. It seems to me that they still have to eat a toad ...
  32. Grigory_78
    Grigory_78 23 October 2022 08: 48
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    Quote: BlackMokona
    Quote from Lom_l
    And these fools are also handing over artillery and other weapons to the Ukrainians. Well done, nothing to say!

    And someone is going to attack them in the near future? And their military-industrial complex will gladly release new weapons in any desired quantity.

    It only seems. In Europe and the United States, no one has long been preparing to mass-produce weapons, a maximum of a couple of dozen vehicles a year - this was already a very optimistic forecast. In order to switch to the production of hundreds of vehicles (especially tanks) a year, new workshops, equipment, and specialists are needed. It is not a fact that all this can be quickly increased - the technique is now a little more complicated than during WWII. And the Chinese, I think, will not subscribe to this, they will have to do it themselves.
  33. Grigory_78
    Grigory_78 23 October 2022 09: 35
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    Quote: Vadim Topal-Pasha
    Quote: insafufa
    Already discussing in Germany the restart of coal mines of energy they will provide for themselves. Somewhere out there, Gretta is crying softly. They also developed the processing of nuclear waste into fuel. now they are building new powerful nuclear units for 1600 MW.


    And where does the infa about the developed processing of nuclear waste into fuel come from? In my opinion, only the Russian Federation has this technology. Well, the French have developments that are almost suitable for implementation. Did I not know something? Enlighten?


    The French are actually developers and leaders in the reuse of fuel for nuclear power plants (so far). Search for mox fuel (MOX - mixed oxid fuel). It is produced in France and Russia. But this technology allows you to recycle spent fuel once, reprocessing is difficult. Our nuclear scientists came up with SNUP fuel, now they are working on the technology, where the processing itself is more complicated, but the number of cycles should not be limited. As a result, the volume and activity of the resulting RW (radioactive waste) should be reduced not even by a multiple, but by two orders of magnitude. Rosatom has set itself an ambitious task - as a result of the activities of the nuclear industry, radioactivity on earth should not grow. Without the removal of radioactive waste from our planet. The Chinese are building nuclear power plants on a massive scale, but so far they are not bothering with the processing of radioactive waste, and this is fraught with bad consequences. The Americans legally recorded any spent fuel as waste and are not involved in processing - their own law does not allow them.
    Yet. Conventional reactors for using mox fuel can be used, but they must be specially prepared and tested. So far, SNUP fuel is only made for fast neutron reactors. Now only we have industrial editors on fast neutrons, the French have been forced to abandon the industrial fast neutron reactor, as a result, the French are already lagging behind us in technologies for the processing of spent nuclear fuel.

    There are no Germans in this topic and there never was, I don’t understand where these fantasies come from.