Guest workers on a special operation: the first consequences

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Guest workers on a special operation: the first consequences
Source: yakutsk.ru


"Two citizens of one of the CIS countries"


On the morning of October 15, eleven Bryansk volunteers were shot at one of the military training grounds in the Belgorod Region. Fifteen more were taken to hospitals with injuries of varying severity. The very first thought was that a sabotage group of nationalists made their way to the training ground. Moreover, the Valuysky district, where the tragedy happened, borders on the Kharkov region. Later clarifications came - the fire was opened by "persons who voluntarily expressed a desire to participate in a special military operation." Only not citizens of Russia, but persons with passports of "one of the CIS countries." Before the announcement of the official version, it is not entirely correct to speak unambiguously about the nationality of the terrorists, but with a high degree of probability they were Tajiks. A couple of shooters simply deployed a machine gun (or machine guns) and opened fire on their colleagues almost point-blank. They beat until the lieutenant shot the terrorists.



Someone said that yesterday's guest workers will not be able to show themselves at the front? Please showed only in the interests of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Heroes of Ukraine, probably, will be awarded posthumously. A bitter truth, the realization of which comes through the dead guys who did not even reach the front. The truth, which does not completely cancel questions about the tragedy.


Source: u74.ru

First of all, if something like the French "Foreign Legion" is planned, then why are there volunteers with Russian passports at the legionnaires' training? If a citizen of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan is ready to sign a contract in exchange for a simplified citizenship, but, probably, it is most logical to form separate battalions from such volunteers. This is true for many reasons. Firstly, the language barrier, which no one has canceled. Let's be frank, few of the guest workers truly assimilated in Russia. Even having lived more than one year in the country. Secondly, immigrants from the Central Asian republics require a thorough check before admission to arms. In this environment, it is easiest for Ukrainian intelligence to recruit supporters. Often, the secret services know only what the visitor was doing in Russia. What he hunted in his homeland, what groups he joined and whose ideas he professes, often remains in the shadows. Therefore, if there is already a need to attract foreign labor with weapons in hand, then let these be mono-national units. At least the scumbags will not have a reason to become a martyr. It is much easier for special services to carry out preventive work in such international brigades than to look for potential terrorists along the entire front. The third reason why it is impossible to “dissolve” representatives of national minorities among the fighters of the titular nation is the complexity of interethnic interaction. Under such an ornate phrase lies a simple fact - guest workers and Russians do not always show tolerance for each other. For various reasons, of course. But when a weapon, especially an automatic one, appears in the hands of one of the participants in the conflict, everything can end in tragedy. What we observed on October 15 in the Belgorod region.

Again, all of the above is true only in case of emergency. When a surprisingly simple scheme is implemented, we gather a crowd of guest workers and distribute weapons to them. To do this, probably, the front should lie not on the state border, but somewhere in the Moscow region. Is the situation on the fronts of the NMD so critical that it is so open to take risks, arming not to understand whom? Definitely not.

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First of all, it is necessary to understand how much the representatives of Central Asia sympathize with or at least understand the need for a special operation. They do not understand and do not want to understand from the word at all. Guest workers who want to get citizenship and easy money through the NWO are people of a new generation, for whom Russia is just a place of comfortable living. Here they build their business and give birth to diasporas, which often transform into criminal gangs. Russians with guests from Central Asia were born in different countries and this is a fundamental difference. In the Soviet Union, before the "parade of sovereignties" it was different - every Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen or Kyrgyz felt part of a single nation. Let many-sided, but united nation. Therefore, in Afghanistan, the Belgorod tragedy was impossible in principle.
The level of support of the countries of Central Asia for the Russian special operation is evidenced by the terms of imprisonment that the republics threaten their citizens with. According to the laws of Tajikistan, volunteers qualify as mercenaries, and this is from 12 to 20 years in prison. In Uzbekistan, it is more loyal - from five to ten years in prison. Ten years threatens the Kyrgyz, who dared to sign up as volunteers for a Russian special operation. In this clip of support for a strategic partner is the widespread blocking of Russian MIR cards by the countries of Central Asia.

Resonant in connection with the shooting at the Belgorod training ground, the words of the President of Tajikistan Emomali Rahmon at the summit "Central Asia - Russia". In his opinion, Russia does not pay enough attention to the republics of Central Asia. In particular, our Minister Lavrov did not come to the recently held forum "Tajikistan - Russia", although he was invited. The Kremlin limited itself to deputy heads of relevant ministries. Quoting Rahmon:
“We were made so that we are countries that ... I don’t know. Yes, we are small nations, we are not 100-200 million, but we have story, culture, we love, we want to be respected. Do not need anything. Respected."
And finally, the summit took place on October 14, 2022.

Indeed, in Russia there are more than a million labor migrants from Tajikistan alone. And this is presented as effective assistance to our country. They say that if it were not for guest workers, then there would simply be no one to build and sweep the streets in Russia. Let us leave this question to overly exalted liberals and consider the reverse situation. What will happen if the Tajiks suddenly decide to return home? The country will instantly lose up to 43 percent of its GDP, and will also receive a million-odd young citizens for whom there is no work and is not expected. It seems unnecessary to explain what this threatens Emomali Rahmon himself. A typical guest worker is a person who could not be useful in his homeland. For various reasons, but the fact remains. If he was not needed in the country, then why did we get the idea that we would need him in the Russian army.

Now let's touch on the combat effectiveness of units recruited from guest workers. Most of the visitors from Central Asia are between the ages of 25 and 40, that is, they could have time to serve in the national armies. The level of training, with all due respect, is not the highest. At best, it remained at the turn of the 70-80s of the last century. The vast majority of visitors also do not have combat experience. Is it possible to prepare such a volunteer for the realities of SVO in a month of retraining? Especially when his motivation is solely money and Russian citizenship. And also a peculiar attitude towards mercenaries in Ukrainian captivity. Even the above solution to the problem of the formation of international divisions looks half-hearted. How will volunteer battalions of immigrants from Central Asia behave in battle? Will they become weak links in the defense? What part of the volunteers will come to the army with the ideas of Wahhabism? It is highly desirable that the military leadership receive answers to these questions before sending units to the front.
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  1. +22
    17 October 2022 04: 39
    shot eleven Bryansk volunteers.
    And what is the reason? You need to know what to prevent in the future! PS Condolences to the families of the dead and recovery to the wounded....
    1. +83
      17 October 2022 05: 15
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      And what is the reason?

      Well, what could be the reason, except for the fact that at first they allowed crowds of "workers" into the country, and then they also handed over weapons. Wonderful migration policy, in general, the reason!
      SVO opens up abscesses that may still be ripe and would be ripe, until all of Russia was rotten. And then everything is revealed, and so far, conditions acceptable for Russia ...
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        1. +15
          17 October 2022 05: 54
          Quote from Sagetaus
          And send us to the gallows. literally)

          There are so many of these that the gallows are not enough!
          1. +12
            17 October 2022 07: 24
            A very slippery topic: It is also necessary to carry out mobilization, but replacing those mobilized in the national economy (and not only) with "citizens of the CIS" is also somehow dangerous ...
            1. +44
              17 October 2022 08: 22
              Quote: Civil
              A very slippery topic: It is also necessary to carry out mobilization, but replacing those mobilized in the national economy (and not only) with "citizens of the CIS" is also somehow dangerous ...

              What if we don't have unemployment? Is the entire working-age population employed?
              Guest workers are brought in not because there is no one to work, but because they can be paid at a minimum. After all, you have to pay enough for your own so that he can support his family, pay a communal apartment, etc. And a guest worker agrees to such payment for his work, because the cost of living in his homeland is an order of magnitude lower than in Russia.
              1. +9
                17 October 2022 09: 23
                We have hidden unemployment. The allowance is somewhere around 1500 rubles, and you need to collect a bunch of papers, it’s not a fact that they will pay
                1. kin
                  +12
                  17 October 2022 12: 20
                  Benefit 15000, no paperwork to collect. The application is submitted electronically. The only time to go to the OZN. But finding a quality job, with a normal salary, is still a nightmare. Such stupidity, scam among employers, such bureaucracy, several interviews, and all this can take a month and it’s not a fact that you will get settled.
                  1. +3
                    17 October 2022 21: 16
                    The application is submitted electronically. The only time to go to the OZN.


                    This only says that you do not know anything about the actual work of these very OZNs. If it were so, then we would not have any hidden unemployment.
                  2. 0
                    18 October 2022 09: 52
                    Yes, something, something, and offices ala "horns and hooves" are now divorced immeasurably.
                  3. -1
                    23 October 2022 01: 03
                    Allowance 1500 r. And in order to receive this "money" for 3 months, you need to make a bunch of photocopies.
              2. +12
                17 October 2022 11: 47
                After all, you have to pay enough for your own so that he can support his family, pay a communal apartment, etc.

                —- The capitalist pays the minimum, they do not care about the communal apartment, the family of the worker. Russians who are not alone are not mobile. Work is in A, and the unemployed are in B. And the guest worker is mobile and follows the vacancies.

                - The Russian worker is more suitable and in demand. Therefore, competition for jobs at the base of the pyramid of qualifications among Russians is small, and Russians need to be paid more, and Russians cannot find hands in B.

                —- So, in fact, they carry both to pay less and to have hands in B.

                Why did this happen?

                —-Guest workers are and will be. This is the objective reality of capitalist Russia without any "curtains ..."

                —-It happened because the military commissar is not responsible for the quality of those liable for military service. He followed the letter of the law, but not as a military man in the first trench of the struggle for the very existence of Russia, but as a bureaucrat.

                —-It happened because the Special Department let the mobilized through, because the Military Counter-Intelligence does not participate in the filtering.

                - Well done lieutenant, quickly reacted, probably in a minute. But where was common sense, ingenuity - not to mention vigilance - to allow a machine gun? Although, maybe these are equivalent to the APU of the Tajiks. Were the Military Police there during the tragedy?... Somehow I can't believe that they are martyrs... but there are many Tajiks in Afghanistan... Ahmad Shah Massoud was a Tajik.

                — Eternal memory to the dead! Speedy recovery to the wounded!
              3. +21
                17 October 2022 12: 18
                I think gasters in such volumes are also imported because the diasporas pay those who make such decisions in Russia. There, our hyperactive genius Khusnulin pushed through the importation of another million gasters to the European part of Russia. I think that the idea with the Gaster army was also born from his entourage.
              4. +11
                17 October 2022 15: 31
                I've written here many times, I can repeat:
                Businesses need highly skilled low-paid submissive workers. We cross out the first point - we get the ideal guest worker.
          2. 0
            23 October 2022 09: 13
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote from Sagetaus
            And send us to the gallows. literally)

            There are so many of these that the gallows are not enough!

            And in our Siberian city, new lampposts in the form of gallows have long been made
      2. +25
        17 October 2022 08: 02
        Mobilized from our village are being trained at this training ground. Yesterday one called home. According to him, the Tajiks were always dissatisfied that they were not given time and space to read namaz. All three are contract soldiers, two of them are sergeants. The tower was torn down after a discussion with the underground, which allegedly said that this war was sacred, the Tajiks said that for them it was a sacred war with the infidels. The underground, allegedly, walked on faith. After they got the weapons and away we go. So far like this. The rest haven't said anything yet. How many of ours died is still unknown.
        1. +7
          17 October 2022 08: 26
          Quote: Bulrumeb
          Mobilized from our village are being trained at this training ground.
          I read something similar in a cart, one to one more precisely, so I strongly doubt about "your village"!
        2. -16
          17 October 2022 09: 43
          It's all bullshit, it can be seen with the naked eye that this opus was invented in TsIPSO.
          1. +8
            17 October 2022 10: 08
            11 dead is also bullshit? Or is it nonsense that the Tajiks shot them? About the reasons for the execution, I wrote "supposedly" because. he himself was not present. And in general, are the reasons really that important? There are killers and there are dead who did not reach the front. And I'm not even going to prove whether ours are there or not.
            1. +9
              17 October 2022 11: 35
              . And in general, are the reasons really that important?


              And indeed. Are the reasons why, for example, a certain Sakalauskas shot the entire personnel of the guard back in the distant USSR, are so important? After all, then there was a spirit of internationalism and the brotherhood of peoples!
              If you do not find out the causes and do not take measures to eliminate it, it will happen again.
            2. 0
              17 October 2022 21: 21
              About the reasons for the execution, I wrote "supposedly" because. he himself was not present.


              So CIPSO always writes like that, I myself was not a matchmaker, brother, neighbor (to whom I completely believe he will not lie) everything is written in that green little book (remember Bayazet). Chatter is shorter. Although it is possible and a mother.
          2. +1
            17 October 2022 14: 56
            I’m not talking about the dead, but about the tales about the ban on prayer, I think that this is probably taken into account by our commanders, and the reasons are very important here, they give rise to a consequence, therefore it is precisely the reasons that must be carefully dealt with so that this will never happen again repeated in the future.
            1. -2
              17 October 2022 16: 10
              Oh, among the officers, especially the rear workers, there are so many idiots ... I saw such people back in the 90s when he served with our commanders, he was such an idiot.
            2. 0
              22 October 2022 23: 29
              During the battle, prayer looks off topic ... but it is read (!)
        3. +4
          17 October 2022 09: 46
          The time of the Soviet Union, and the Second World War, passed when Jamshut fought shoulder to shoulder with Ivan. Now that religion, especially in the east, has become relevant, Muslims are not brothers and friends to Christians, but at best mercenaries, who, of course, as someone wrote above, should be in separate units and preferably with their own commanders (of their own religions and nationalities).
          1. +11
            17 October 2022 10: 51
            Attempts to create national units from the Asian peoples in the Second World War basically failed, due to weak combat stability (the Buryats, Tuvans and Mongols are an exception). Well, in the post-war USSR, they didn’t give them anything except a shovel in their hands ...
            1. +3
              17 October 2022 16: 07
              Tell us then about the "Muslim" Battalion. Nothing harder than shovels gave a pancake
        4. +3
          17 October 2022 09: 53
          I confirm. I didn’t want to voice it above, but since I wasn’t the only one who heard it, then, yes, I heard it in the same way.
          1. 0
            17 October 2022 18: 34
            what was given in the cart and the official version is very different. together with the underground and those two Tajiks whom the ensign shot, this is 32 people ...
      3. +3
        17 October 2022 13: 33
        The main thing is that after opening all these abscesses / problems, they made the right conclusions, solved these problems, and punished the guilty. Although the latter is very doubtful ... If someone is punished, then the "switchmen". And if so, then much will remain the same ...
      4. 0
        17 October 2022 18: 36
        The probable version is untwisted so.
        The British promised a large sum of money to the Afghans for finding families of Tajiks living in their homeland, who have fathers
        signed up to volunteer for the front.
        Either you put Russian volunteers in training centers or they send you photographs of the heads of your loved ones.
        Phones need to be screwed.
    2. +46
      17 October 2022 06: 31
      I was struck by the reaction of the Russians to what happened.
      Half immediately rushed to the networks to claim that this was "no terrorist attack!"
      Like, this is "simple non-ustavschina."
      Say, Russian guys "probably scoffed at the religious feelings of the gastricians!"
      I will never believe that adult Russian men with weapons, which tomorrow will be under bullets, into the trenches, begin to mock "poor Tajiks."
      This is not in our national paradigm. Not our custom!
      But I well remember the video where the moon-faced youthful Kazakh, the "director of the oil company" cheerfully sings in his jeep "Our Father Bandera, mother Ukraine ...", wishes us "good morning" and informs us that "We will fight for Ukraine!. ."
      We will have to deal with these puck-mugs later ...
      My opinion: these two Tajiks are terrorists, suicide bombers. Adepts, some kind of "Hazbut tahrir" or other abomination.
      We arrived in the Belgorod region with one goal - to kill as many Russians as possible and die heroically.
      No need to take rotten meat into the troops. Ran. Remember Potemkin. am
      1. +19
        17 October 2022 06: 58
        Ouch! Come on, what about the fight in Alabino? In general, Russian counter-soldiers wanted to rob the Russian mobilized, though they didn’t get it themselves. You know the national paradigm.
        1. +11
          17 October 2022 07: 15
          Quote: ASAD
          You know the national paradigm.

          I understand, Kolya, I understand. I'm generally understanding.
          Do not confuse warm with soft.
          How many people were shot in Alabino?
          Remind me.
          And what did the evil Russians want to wrest from the "poor Tajiks"?
          Machine gun?
          By the way, on September 21 I went to the draft board without waiting for the summons.
          The military commissar said "wait for the second wave of conscription." I'm waiting. It will be tight on the fronts, I will hire myself in a PMC.
          Have you been to the military? Or are you already in the trenches on the buttons of the iPhone you press, you understand?
          1. +5
            17 October 2022 07: 19
            You will poke your wife if she allows. And they don’t take you to the military registration and enlistment office after 60.
            1. +7
              17 October 2022 07: 38
              I am a widower, darling.
              And we are almost the same age.
      2. +10
        17 October 2022 09: 38
        Your message is clear, and I fully support it, I will add about mono-national battalions, they tried it in 1941-1942. "Defense of the Caucasus". About what is happening: it seems that most of the military leaders did not realize that there was a war going on, not a computer game, but a real one, where they are killed on both sides. With respect. Krylov.
      3. +1
        17 October 2022 10: 11
        On October 13, 1943, the USSR State Defense Committee adopted a secret decree No. GOKO-4322ss "On the conscription of conscripts born in 1926," which was personally signed by I.V. Stalin.

        This document said: “The conscripts of local nationalities are not subject to conscription: Uzbek, Tajik, Turkmen, Kazakh, Kirghiz, Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republics, Dagestan, Chechen-Ingush, Kabardino-Balkarian, North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republics Adyghe, Karachay and Cherkess Autonomous Regions ".
      4. +5
        17 October 2022 10: 19
        The media published a list of those who died as a result of shooting at a military training ground in Soloti, Belgorod Region:

        Shooters, citizens of Tajikistan:

        - Rakhmonov Mehrob;
        - Aminzod Tojiddin.

        Among the dead are residents of Moscow, Murmansk, Saratov, Nizhny Novgorod, Ryazan, Kherson, Rostov regions, the Republic of Yakutia and one native of Ukraine.

        Tsyganov N., 55 years old, Ryazan;
        Lipin N., 44 years old, Lukoyanov;
        Sapkalov A., 28 years old, Voskresensk;
        Kirichenko V., 52 years old, Kakhovka;
        Agafonov N., 45 years old, Nizhny Novgorod;
        Tinyakov V., 55 years old, Ukraine;
        Groshkov G, 51 years old, Pavlovo;
        Evdoshchuk O., 24 years old, Volsk;
        Godunov V., 39 years old, Severomorsk;
        Sinitsin D., 36 years old, Voskresensk;
        Gafetdinov V., 41 years old, Volgodonsk.
        1. +5
          17 October 2022 13: 46
          The media published a list of the dead

          Hell, four are in their fifties, three are in their 40s, two are in their 40s. And only two - 24, 28. How strange for the first wave of mobilization. In terms of age, it draws on the latter, when "the remnants were scraped along the bottom of the barrel."
          1. +1
            17 October 2022 20: 03
            They weren't ready for the front lines. And for work in the liberated territories. And now the guys who can be at the forefront and younger are forced to protect and perform these functions and work
          2. +3
            17 October 2022 23: 20
            These are volunteers, not mobilized.
        2. -1
          18 October 2022 06: 52
          How did they even end up on the same team? Where could such a hodgepodge be summoned? Shooters-terrorists like signed in Moscow.
      5. +2
        18 October 2022 09: 56
        And now it has become fashionable to make victims out of criminals, in style they are not like that, but life is like that hi
    3. +16
      17 October 2022 09: 50
      And what is the reason?
      I will not voice the reason, although, it seems, from an eyewitness. In general, those who worked in the Army will understand better in the USSR. I had 28 nationalities in my company (I counted Belorussian, Ukrainian, etc.) there were a lot from Central Asia, they still exist, adults are already guys)) In OK, they write to me for science. So, I had to spin like hell, everyone has their own customs, their own Gods, this SHOULD be taken into account. It was impossible to leave two Aizers and 5 Georgians in one place for a long time, and even if the topic is tough. Later it became possible, but it took a lot of work. International work. In the USSR, this was the norm, now out, below they write everything themselves, about builders, etc. Normal, fighting guys, but an approach is needed, an understanding of their perception of everything. If you understand and achieve, the devotees are like samurai.
      1. +3
        17 October 2022 11: 11
        What are they ashamed of? I am 90% sure that they refused to wash the toilet attire. It was a common thing in SA. Religion does not allow.
        1. 0
          18 October 2022 06: 47
          Everyone was fighting no matter what. The rule is the same for everyone. But beyond the rule, to serve or to crawl depended on the character.
      2. +9
        17 October 2022 11: 45
        . If you understand and achieve, the devotees are like samurai.


        I fully support. I met with such "Russians" that it was disgusting to communicate. Bastards. And he served with such "non-Russians" that you could entrust anything. Will do, will report on the implementation, worthy sons of their people.
        Everyone needs an approach. The work is hard. I didn't always succeed.
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    5. -1
      17 October 2022 11: 32
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      shot eleven Bryansk volunteers.
      And what is the reason? You need to know what to prevent in the future! PS Condolences to the families of the dead and recovery to the wounded....

      What is the reason? I think one of the reasons is that the military registration and enlistment offices sweep everyone in a row just to fulfill the mobilization plan.
      Because the SBU may well push through the recruited terrorists.
      But this is one of the reasons, the rest have yet to be dealt with.
      Well, another mess for sure, but again no one is to blame.
      But this is generally prohibitive, the men did not even reach the front.
      1. +1
        17 October 2022 23: 25
        The quote is about volunteers, and the text of the comment is about the mobilization plan. It's illogical.
    6. +2
      17 October 2022 15: 12
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      shot eleven Bryansk volunteers.
      And what is the reason? You need to know what to prevent in the future! PS Condolences to the families of the dead and recovery to the wounded....

      Everything is very similar to a demonstrative action in order to provoke the reaction of Russia, exactly the one that we are now witnessing, rejection of people from Central Asia from participating in the NWO. Something tells me that the roots and legs of this action grow directly from any country in Central Asia, whose ruling circles are scared to the core of the reaction of the West to the participation of their citizens in the NWO. We will wait for the results of the investigation, but here is just the case when I doubt that we will find out the whole truth, it’s from them for sure, from ours for sure, the political imperative is his mother.
      1. +3
        17 October 2022 17: 58
        Yura (Yuri). Today, 15:12. NEWTh - "... Everything is very similar to a demonstrative action in order to provoke the reaction of Russia exactly the one that we are now seeing, rejection of people from Central Asia from participating in the NWO. Something tells me that the roots and legs of this action grow directly from any country Central Asia, whose ruling circles are scared to death of the reaction of the West, .."


        The incident with the opening of fire and the death of fighters of a volunteer detachment at one of the military training grounds was called a terrorist attack by the Ministry of Defense
        TERRORIST ACT IN BELGOROD... am
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        And here is FREEDOM. millions of young people (18-45) who are unnecessary in THEIR countries, quite suitable for launching the "PROCESS" in the rear of the Russian Federation, were brought to the Russian Federation. am
        Beneficiary(mattresses and finely shaved with those who want to lick ... tongue ) OFIVE breaks the jackpot start a VERY useful IM processs-
        1. process "offended" migrants. and this is "thank you" to the liberals and Khusnullin THEM millions... and THEM are "licked" - they enter the "THEIR "position" of politics. not up to the indigenous bully
        2. process for the indigenous - "How long can you" ride "on the neck of Russians." about banditry of the national diasporas(nat OPD) and their own terrorism to say NO!! belay ! no Reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB - This is an "accident" and it is necessary to "enter" THEIR position. bully
        How can we eat without the "kept"!? request
        That's probably the "beneficiary" (USA and small-timers) tore his stomach from laughter. bully and China politely smiles and counts. how much useful he would take from the surveyed "clamps for debtand. and how would I deal with those who did LIKE and their diasporas what
    7. -4
      17 October 2022 19: 26
      You're right. Mobilized, many, went through the army where hazing has not yet died and the attitude towards foreign-speaking citizens of Russia is appropriate. Perhaps because of poor knowledge of the Russian language, or for some other reason, they began to be insulted and brought to white heat. The result is in coffins.
      Let the prosecutor's office sort it out, although such a case is not the only one in the army. Similar, albeit not on such a scale, was before, especially where the teams are multinational.
  2. +25
    17 October 2022 04: 54
    No matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest. The majority of the inhabitants of the former Soviet Asian republics, as well as the Bandera people, have a hatred for the Slavic people. They have it at the genetic level - from generation to generation. Those Russians who lived in Soviet times in Central Asia know this well. Especially Uzbekistan - the nationalism of the red level. This case will give ground for reflection to the highest command staff. I am sure that conclusions will be drawn.
    1. +11
      17 October 2022 05: 15
      Quote: Yuri Orthodox
      No matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest. The majority of the inhabitants of the former Soviet Asian republics, as well as the Bandera people, have a hatred for the Slavic people.

      Especially the Tajiks.
    2. +27
      17 October 2022 05: 54
      . What will happenif the Tajiks suddenly decide to return home?

      A terrible thing will happen - unemployment will decrease and the capitalists will have to raise the wages of the Russians!

      . it is most logical to form separate battalions from these volunteers.

      And there is good experience in this. There used to be a Wild Division. 90% consisted of Muslim volunteers. She didn't fight very well.
      1. +21
        17 October 2022 06: 53
        There used to be a Wild Division. 90% consisted of Muslim volunteers. She didn't fight very well.

        It was only during the war. Neither Muslims nor Jews were taken into the Russian army in peacetime. And the Wild Division fought well or badly, this is a whole story. But a simple Russian cavalry division fought better.
        1. +9
          17 October 2022 08: 03
          Quote: Konnick
          And the Wild Division fought well or badly, this is a whole story.

          I agree, the Makhnovists smashed this division to smithereens.
        2. -2
          17 October 2022 08: 43
          And also the 316th Panfilov division that saved Moscow in 1941. It was SUDDENLY recruited from the Kazakhs !! Maybe just a matter of ideology? Here, from every iron, they yell about "Rus, the Russian world, etc." But how to build and fight for this Russian world, this is the name of Tajiks, then Chechens, then Buryats. We are at war with the Nazis, but we ourselves are yelling about the exclusivity of the RUSSIAN people. Along the way, announcing that we consider other countries and peoples to be a mistake of history. Very smart move!! Well, the adherents of the artist also believed that the Slavs were inferior peoples and states, they had historical errors.
          That is the difference between the Soviet project and the current misunderstanding.
          The Soviet project is international, like SUDDENLY and the USA. . And all these national projects are doomed. At least 100500 more churches should be built and the flag raised not only in schools, but immediately in the maternity hospital every hour.
          1. +23
            17 October 2022 09: 19
            And also the 316th Panfilov division that saved Moscow in 1941. It was SUDDENLY recruited from the Kazakhs !!


            According to the Ministry of Defense of Kyrgyzstan, the national composition of the Panfilov division was as follows: 11% Kyrgyz, 11% Kazakhs, 67% Russians, 8% Ukrainians, 3% - representatives of other nationalities of the USSR. Total, the Slavs are at least 75%.
            1. -6
              17 October 2022 09: 24
              25% is also a lot. Including in command positions. Flesh to the battalion commander. And what percentage was in this unit? 2 people out of 30?
            2. +3
              17 October 2022 10: 44
              316th division. It began to be formed in July 1941 from conscripts and volunteers from among the inhabitants of the Kazakh and Kirghiz SSR. The national composition of the division does not give much reason for speculation: out of more than 11 thousand soldiers and officers, Russians made up about 4,5 thousand, Kazakhs - 3,5 thousand, Ukrainians - 2 thousand people. Subsequently, the division was actively replenished with Kyrgyz conscripts.



              The division was headed by Major General Ivan Panfilov. Previously, he held the unpretentious position of the military commissar of Kyrgyzstan.
            3. +5
              17 October 2022 20: 45
              So the experience of the Second World War showed that if there are less than 75 percent of Slavs in a unit, then this unit is unstable in battle. And do not la la about exceptions (possible) from the rule.
              1. -1
                20 October 2022 07: 31
                How was Moscow then defended? :)))
                But I like your idea of ​​​​the superiority of the Nordic Russian race over Asians.
                1. +1
                  20 October 2022 19: 51
                  And just by that time the Germans ran out of steam. As early as September, the only minister with a higher education -industry- reported to Hitler that in the strategic sense the war was lost. And ours transferred units from the Far East. And sticking out the nationalists as opposed to the Russians is the policy of the Bolsheviks. Therefore, such a PR around this division. And still there were 75 percent Slavs. Otherwise, the units are not resistant in combat.
                2. 0
                  24 October 2022 12: 32
                  How was Moscow then defended? :)))

                  It helped that there were few of yours.
          2. +9
            17 October 2022 09: 24
            The 316th division was recruited, mainly from volunteers, more than half of the soldiers and officers were ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, the rest, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz. Uzbeks ... the division completed a full course of combined arms training. A quarter of the fighters and commanders were party and Komsomol activists.
            1. +1
              17 October 2022 09: 32
              About that and speech. The Soviet project managed to prepare and captivate a sufficient number of people of different nationalities who went to fight for it. And the RF project? All these spiritually strong pan-Slavic quirks?
              Although of course it would not hurt to find out what exactly happened there. After all, there are plenty of options. Terror is a very convenient excuse. Or maybe the banal nat. enmity? Or did the guys throw something? And this is the jamb of command. I do not rule out even a mistake during the firing.
              1. +3
                17 October 2022 10: 54
                An error during firing?)))) like, a couple of machine guns jammed during firing)))) ... 30 people are not shot by mistake, for two machine guns, this is a long enough and aimed fire, in the sense not a couple of short bursts. One way or another, you need to understand. that you can’t give weapons to just anyone !!! You need to check your health, you need to carry out some tests, all these races do not lead to good. And we must not forget that anyone there, even a volunteer, experiences tremendous psychological stress, people's lives are turned upside down, here a healthy cuckoo can go, and if there are prerequisites for this, generally atas ...
                1. +3
                  17 October 2022 11: 25
                  This is if you try to shoot people ready to attack in the field. We do not know how the personnel were located there. If you were in a tight group, then 1 queue is enough. It also does not say what kind of machine gun. RPK or Utes? The last machine gun and 2-3 people at a time will penetrate.
                  Do you remember the video where a Ukrainian tank, having misunderstood, shot its soldiers at an abandoned Russian infantry fighting vehicle? 1 shot and how many were killed there?
                  And there are plenty of examples of how excessively curious / "smart" fighters either picked mines or looked into the muzzle of a machine gun (like why a misfire and where the bullet got stuck there). He lay on time with one control. There, just one especially gifted mine stumbled and decided to pick it up. Contra, like the rest of the department, was saved by the fact that the gates of the box were open and they were thrown out into the street by a wave .. And my other colleague opened up a chloropicrin bomb, which looked like an anti-tank mine. Was also looking for something. He was saved from serious consequences by the fact that the ensign on duty broke the window and pulled him out by the shchibotnik, while the fighter rushed around the room in search of a way out. And the fact that it was still not a mine :)
                  So what the hell happened there. It confuses me that, according to one of the versions, put them both as 1 lieutenant. Was he alone with a weapon? And if so, then why wasn't he killed first, if it was a terrorist attack and these two went to him consciously? They write about some kind of snipers. Have you ever seen sniper cover in conventional firing? What were they doing there?
                  In short, it is clear that the matter is dark.
                  1. +3
                    17 October 2022 12: 14
                    Let's start with the fact that I've done this firing so many times during my violent youth, starting from the position of the head of the shooting at the site, ending with the senior head of the shooting, I've seen enough of so many "eccentrics" .... no matter how the fighters were standing there, once again, 30 people for two machine guns, this is not a lot, especially since these were clearly not machine gunners from the Wagners, who for the last 5 years have only a machine gun and go 290 days a year. We are talking about the fact that no one is checked for anything, no medical and psychological examination is carried out, and this is the result of such work. Why lieutenant? Probably because he reacted faster than anyone else, did not panic, so to speak, most likely, he was in an advantageous position.
                    1. 0
                      17 October 2022 13: 11
                      Well. I rely on your experience. Maybe they will provide us with a more complete report on the passage.
                      True, they do not write about 2 machine guns. And about two arrows.
          3. +4
            17 October 2022 09: 46
            Do not distort. Formed in Alma-Ata, and the composition is multinational, with a predominance of Russians. With respect. Krylov.
            1. 0
              17 October 2022 10: 24
              Like this division. The result is different.
          4. +6
            17 October 2022 10: 05
            "And also the 316th Panfilov division, which saved Moscow in 1941, was recruited SUDDENLY from the Kazakhs !!"
            did not have time to answer. comrade Konnick woke up earlier, but I’ll add a little, this division was formed in Frunze, the capital of Kyrgyzstan. there are only a few Asians there, mostly drivers with horses, in artillery and carts. the fact that one of them was a company commander does not mean anything_ they simply nominated a national cadre - it was in the USSR, always. so the warriors from the Kazakhs and the Kyrgyz, so that they don’t talk about themselves, are so-so. he served in the sa with the Kazakhs, they had a very high self-esteem, for which they periodically raked. and their chief executive, quite recently, even declared that Kazakhstan is a space power. there is no need for an army of these gastros. but if something is being done, then someone needs it. to know who
          5. +3
            17 October 2022 14: 53
            Suddenly, the Panfilov division was 75% Slavic.
        3. -1
          17 October 2022 09: 27
          Therefore, checkers and spades were adopted
      2. +4
        17 October 2022 07: 08
        Citizens of the Russian Empire served in the Wild Division, and the officers were representatives of the nobility ... albeit foreigners.
      3. 0
        17 October 2022 08: 13
        Quote: Stas157
        There used to be a Wild Division. 90% consisted of Muslim volunteers. She didn't fight very well.

        How to say ! You can find many statements in favor of the opposite opinion! Search the internet!
      4. +4
        17 October 2022 10: 34
        Quote: Stas157
        And there is good experience in this. There used to be a Wild Division. 90% consisted of Muslim volunteers. She didn't fight very well.

        The only positive example And then, in many ways, more PR.
        But negative examples - through the roof. Here are the national formations of the Tribaltics, which briskly changed sides with the outbreak of the war. Here are the national units in the Crimea, from which Mekhlis howled like a wolf
      5. +1
        18 October 2022 07: 43
        Quote: Stas157
        . What will happenif the Tajiks suddenly decide to return home?

        A terrible thing will happen - unemployment will decrease and the capitalists will have to raise the wages of the Russians!
        .
        and Muscovites will howl at the cost of a communal apartment and groceries that have doubled in price ... But they will quickly come to their senses and immediately raise the prices for the apartments they rent out ...
        And the balance will be observed - Russians from the provinces will sweep, and Muscovites will collect loot and yell "Come in large numbers here!"
        Muscovites themselves will not go to sweep or pack food, in principle, this is not a royal business ....
        "LimitU" has everyone forgotten already?
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      1. -3
        17 October 2022 09: 48
        It's called chauvinism, not nationalism.
    9. -1
      17 October 2022 08: 14
      Quote: Yuri Orthodox
      Russians who lived in Soviet times in Central Asia know this well.

      Yuri, how many years have you lived in Central Asia?
    10. 0
      17 October 2022 10: 03
      Traders will not draw conclusions. For them, money is important. And everything else is out of their sight. They said that the food deal is to our detriment, no, they went for it anyway. Now they are starting to "investigate" where the car with explosives came from. Again " They deceived. "Directly some kind of suckers. The main loot is in your pocket, but otherwise you can fumble like a fool.
  3. +29
    17 October 2022 05: 06
    The author, why is it not correct to talk about the nationality of those who opened fire on their colleagues? Is there something shameful in the fact that you are a Tajik? It is impossible to make purely ethnic units as you write, for the simple reason that they will be extremely unstable in battle and subject to agitation by the enemy. Be sure to introduce them into Russian units. It is not known what caused the opening of fire on colleagues. It could be pressure on interethnic grounds, and pressure, thieves, elements. We, after the nineties, have a whole layer of bribed punks left. Now she has grown up, aged, but has not left her habits, this category. There are especially many of these from the regions of Transbaikalia and the Far East, where criminals have been referred since tsarist times. And even among contractors, carriers of this ,, culture ,, are often found. Maybe there were those who called the Tajiks "chocks", and bullied them in every possible way. But there is another reason to think - what will happen if weapons fall into the hands of a huge crowd of guest workers and there will be a mess in the country? The fact that our authorities, led by "zeroed", see the situation in the country in a slightly different light than other citizens has long been clear.
    1. +4
      17 October 2022 07: 33
      Now migrant workers are in priority - it is necessary to replace the mobilized by someone. Most likely, everything will be done for even more of their delivery.
    2. +2
      17 October 2022 08: 01
      Quote: fiberboard
      It is impossible to make purely ethnic units as you write, for the simple reason that they will be extremely unstable in battle and subject to agitation by the enemy.
      Yes, the Germans in WWII were fond of this with zero results. Some combat-ready units managed to get units, and with the majority there were only problems
    3. +1
      17 October 2022 08: 20
      It is not known what caused the opening of fire on colleagues

      For you and for the author of the article
      https://t.me/astrapress/14142
      At the moment, the most complete version of the tragedy
      “It all started with the fact that some of our soldiers — a Dagestani, an Azerbaijani and an Adyghe — said that “this is not our war” and tried to write a report that they did not want to serve anymore. Lieutenant Colonel Andrei Lapin, when he learned this through the company commander, gathered everyone and began to say that "this is a holy war." Everything happened in the morning at the parade ground, where the formation takes place, the anthem is sung. A conflict began, they began to push, including several people from my company.

      And the Tajiks told Lapin in response that a holy war is when the war of Muslims with infidels. Lapin said that "Allah means a coward if he does not allow you to fight for the country to which you swore an oath." I personally think that this is what hurt the most, the phrase that "Allah is a weakling." The phrase shocked many people - from those who stood on the parade ground there. Because we also have Muslims among the officers - both Bashkirs and Tatars.

      After the formation, the Russians and Muslims continued the conflict, after which everyone dispersed and, it seems, calmed down. And after an hour and a half, somewhere in the afternoon, they sent us all together to the shooting range, and three Tajiks who were in contract service, they deployed their machine guns, they had live ammunition, and shot our commander, Lieutenant Colonel Lapin, he died on place. And opened fire indiscriminately. There were both contract soldiers and mobilized at the training ground. The dead, whom only I saw - 29 people. The 30th is Lieutenant Colonel Lapin. This is not counting the two Tajiks who were killed along with them - 32. I don’t know exactly how many wounded, some have already been delivered by helicopter to Belgorod, some are now in Valuyki with me.

      Two or three minutes before the shooting started, we Muslims were told to step aside. I remember that the names of the shooters are: Bikzot - he is a senior sergeant, the other is Anushe, and the third is junior sergeant Ami. I don't remember his last name, junior sergeant Ami ran away. And ensign Semyonov killed two of the shooters. Semyonov at that moment was in the room where boxes of cartridges are stored, where they are given to us. He has his own combat pistol, he was not present during the shooting itself, he heard what was happening, went out and shot both Tajiks. He hit Ami in the shoulder, but he managed to escape. He shot the wire, where the fence is, there is not even a fence, but a bent wire, this is the place through which some people went to the city when it was impossible to get through at the checkpoint. There is such an embankment, that is, he, roughly speaking, just stepped over. We were told that he was still on the run, he was not caught.

      Specifically, these Tajiks (who opened fire - ed. note) - they were ardent supporters of their faith. They constantly cursed because they were not allowed to pray on time, they were not given a room for prayer, ”said the young man.
      1. +1
        17 October 2022 08: 33
        Quote: Engineer
        Lieutenant Colonel Andrei Lapin

        This is not the same son of the same Lapin?
        1. +1
          17 October 2022 08: 42
          No, that Denis Lapin
          https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-61320656
  4. +33
    17 October 2022 05: 07
    The great Roman Empire fell when, instead of indigenous citizens, foreigners began to be recruited into the legions.
    1. -10
      17 October 2022 05: 17
      this is for you, supporters of "free weapons".
      1. +2
        17 October 2022 19: 55
        Quote: Dead Day
        this is for you, supporters of "free weapons"
        Yes. If not for the lieutenant, who just displays the side of the free weapon, everything would be much worse. Criminals will always have weapons. But whether those against whom the criminals act will have it is a big question because of people like you.
      2. 0
        21 October 2022 09: 05
        Do you propose not to give weapons to the military? Well, rejoice - that's practically what happens. In St. Petersburg (I don’t write about other cities, because I don’t have information) officers go on patrol with an empty holster, “no matter what happens.” And now an army is fighting in Ukraine, which rarely saw weapons and mostly in the "look, look, but don't touch" mode. The results of this approach are visible to the naked eye.
    2. +4
      17 October 2022 07: 22
      Quote: Popenko
      The great Roman Empire fell when, instead of indigenous citizens, foreigners began to be recruited into the legions.

      The main reason for the collapse of the empire is the idiocy of at least every second ruler, which resulted in regular civil wars. It was not from the good life of its citizens that the army began to miss ...
      1. +5
        17 October 2022 07: 59
        I would also add in general, the degradation of the local population. They simply didn’t want to serve, so they recruited foreigners
        1. +8
          17 October 2022 08: 11
          I agree. The prestige of the army steadily declined. More fathers-merchants or farmers did not want to send their sons to the legions...
          1. +9
            17 October 2022 09: 18
            Quote: Doccor18
            I agree. The prestige of the army steadily declined. More fathers-merchants or farmers did not want to send their sons to the legions...

            how familiar
  5. +33
    17 October 2022 05: 12
    If a citizen of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan is ready to sign a contract in exchange for a simplified citizenship, but, probably, it is most logical to form separate battalions from such volunteers.
    ////////////////////////////////// //
    It is more logical to think not by the criteria of today, but to look into the future and, based on European experience, draw conclusions for yourself. During the Soviet era, the main contingent from these republics was sent to serve in construction battalions. Do you propose to create separate units and subunits and arm this rabble? You can guarantee that these armed gangs will not turn the weapons entrusted to them against their "benefactors". Did this incident teach you nothing? These are not our people, they will never work and serve for the prosperity of our people and country, let alone protect their interests. These merchants work for themselves, their relatives and in terms of their level of education, mentality, ability and skills to master professions are at the level of the century before last. Here, more questions arise for our legislative bodies, which introduced millions of such people, alien to our society, to us.
    Representatives of the liberal psychiatric hospital argue that additional measures are needed that will allow foreigners to better adapt in our country and that they should not be isolated.
    The essence of this so-called adaptation is simple. When they need it, they demand and insist that they are members of an integration union. And when we need them, they immediately remember their own independence and pursue a Russophobic policy. The migrants themselves do not pay anything. They do not deduct anything to the Pension Fund, but only pump money out of the Russian economy. They agree on some specific salary with the employer and that's it. And they, instead of applying harsh measures, are promised a hypothetical right to receive pensions, training and education. Liberals are very fond of pointing at Europe. They say there is a European experience in the assimilation of people. The Europeans failed to assimilate these people, just as they failed to buy their loyalty for all sorts of benefits and handouts. And we won't be able to. Radical Islam has not gone away. In some countries, such as Sweden, there are areas of compact residence of migrants, where even the police are afraid to go. Soon we will have this too. So you think, are we fools in power, or enemies? . As for what happened, when our people are buried, tears dry in the eyes of their wives, children and relatives, I really want to hope that they will not be forgotten, will not be considered mobilized, did not participate in hostilities and, therefore, deprived of benefits assigned to those who died at the front. Blessed memory of people who want to pay their debt to the Motherland and the people, but did not have time to do this.
    1. +3
      17 October 2022 05: 41
      Very agree
      Quote from buslaif
      If a citizen of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan is ready to sign a contract in exchange for a simplified citizenship, but, probably, it is most logical to form separate battalions from such volunteers.
      ////////////////////////////////// //
      It is more logical to think not by the criteria of today, but to look into the future and, based on European experience, draw conclusions for yourself. During the Soviet era, the main contingent from these republics was sent to serve in construction battalions. Do you propose to create separate units and subunits and arm this rabble? You can guarantee that these armed gangs will not turn the weapons entrusted to them against their "benefactors". Did this incident teach you nothing? These are not our people, they will never work and serve for the prosperity of our people and country, let alone protect their interests. These merchants work for themselves, their relatives and in terms of their level of education, mentality, ability and skills to master professions are at the level of the century before last. Here, more questions arise for our legislative bodies, which introduced millions of such people, alien to our society, to us.
      Representatives of the liberal psychiatric hospital argue that additional measures are needed that will allow foreigners to better adapt in our country and that they should not be isolated.
      The essence of this so-called adaptation is simple. When they need it, they demand and insist that they are members of an integration union. And when we need them, they immediately remember their own independence and pursue a Russophobic policy. The migrants themselves do not pay anything. They do not deduct anything to the Pension Fund, but only pump money out of the Russian economy. They agree on some specific salary with the employer and that's it. And they, instead of applying harsh measures, are promised a hypothetical right to receive pensions, training and education. Liberals are very fond of pointing at Europe. They say there is a European experience in the assimilation of people. The Europeans failed to assimilate these people, just as they failed to buy their loyalty for all sorts of benefits and handouts. And we won't be able to. Radical Islam has not gone away. In some countries, such as Sweden, there are areas of compact residence of migrants, where even the police are afraid to go. Soon we will have this too. So you think, are we fools in power, or enemies? . As for what happened, when our people are buried, tears dry in the eyes of their wives, children and relatives, I really want to hope that they will not be forgotten, will not be considered mobilized, did not participate in hostilities and, therefore, deprived of benefits assigned to those who died at the front. Blessed memory of people who want to pay their debt to the Motherland and the people, but did not have time to do this.

      Quote from buslaif
      will not be considered mobilized who did not take part in hostilities and, therefore, deprived of the benefits granted to those who died at the front. Blessed memory of people who want to pay their debt to the Motherland and the people, but did not have time to do this.

      But I don’t agree about “alienness”, this sphere has been launched before us .. Gasters, in addition to getting less for the same work than local ones, are also subject to criminal taxes from their mafia tops of the diaspora and highley huskies are covered by our civil authorities, so what to do " Wahhabi" normal gaster like two fingers on the asphalt
      1. +10
        17 October 2022 06: 07
        Quote: Guran33 Sergey
        Gaster, except that get less for the same job as local

        Yes, that's no less. Often even more is required! They justify this by not drinking. In open competition for the labor market, locals often win.
        You just haven't experienced it.
        1. -1
          17 October 2022 07: 01
          I came across, and yes, I hired a brigade of Tajiks for more than the brigade of fellow countrymen of the bastards asked for.
          1. +10
            17 October 2022 07: 30
            they will put you on fittings at the right time and dress you with what and congratulations
          2. +2
            17 October 2022 21: 01
            Here it is not necessary about the zabuldug. Even 30 years ago, in job advertisements they wrote - no bad habits. And that was just the way it was. The guys quickly weaned off drinking at work. After work and only beer. I personally knew and personally told me. And I know such "comrades" who choose frankly drunk in order to pay a penny. Or they choose Asians in order to feel like Bai. So don't.
    2. -5
      17 October 2022 09: 04
      I agree, I would like to note one more important circumstance, this is the absence in our Army of a structure that would perform the same functions as the FSB, but only within the Army, the military police and the military prosecutor's office do not have these functions and do not engage in such activities, therefore we need to create a military security service, its functions just need to include careful monitoring of all military personnel and their actions, you need to learn how to identify such characters in advance in order to prevent similar tragic incidents in the future.
      1. 0
        17 October 2022 10: 24
        we have and had - military counterintelligence, just with the functions that you are talking about, in each part - there is a specially trained person ..
  6. G17
    +30
    17 October 2022 05: 28
    The tragedy has become a natural manifestation of the problems that have been accumulating in Russia for the past 30 years. As I have pointed out many times, with the outbreak of the war, their explosive growth inevitably occurred.

    Why did this become possible? The answer is simple

    1) Migration policy that does not meet the state and national interests of Russia and the Russian world, when huge volumes of foreign migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus were annually pumped into Russian territory. They were generously given Russian citizenship, they also corrupted the law enforcement system of the Russian Federation to the maximum. All this led to the growth of ethnic banditry, drug trafficking, radical Islamism and the actual inter-ethnic war, which has been going on for more than 30 years, now weakening, now flaring up. Moreover, ethnic bandits, drug dealers, Islamists and migrants, following the example of their counterparts in Western Europe, are behaving in Russia more and more arrogantly, boldly and cruelly, knowing full well that the diasporas will “throw away” them from almost any crime committed through their corruption ties in the system. Ministry of Internal Affairs, courts and public administration. Since the beginning of 2022, according to official data from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, an increase in crimes by immigrants from the CIS countries (both migrants and those who already have Russian citizenship) has been recorded. That is, the already extremely alarming situation with pre-war migration has become completely intolerable and requires radical solutions in the context of the outbreak of the Third World War.

    2) The fall of the political and military authority of Russia due to the toothlessness of Moscow's policy in relations with the former republics of the USSR. Instead of a tough defense of its national interests, an extremely tough migration, economic and cultural policy, over the past decades, Russia has only generously distributed loans, forgiven debts, accepted migrants and endlessly crucified in respect for "sovereignty" and "territorial integrity". The result turned out to be logical: on the basis of the total Russophobia promoted in the CIS countries, new generations have grown up who consider Russia not as a great power, but as a source of income, a drug market and a kind of wild field, i.e. testing ground for their crimes.

    3) Moscow's failure to work with the political elites of the CIS countries, which turned out to be completely controlled by our enemies represented by the USA, Great Britain, Turkey, and China. Even in Ukraine (a Slavic country) there is not a single pro-Russian politician left. It is quite natural that they, using Russian loans and Western grants, pumped the educational system and culture of their countries to the limit with Russophobia, rewrote history in an anti-Russian vein, and brought up tens of millions of their citizens on this explosive mixture. These same elites "repaid" Russia in full in the international arena as well. It was Moscow that actually saved the regimes of Lukashenka, Tokayev and Pashinyan from death, without receiving anything in return - neither a change in the "multi-vector" policy, nor real allied relations, nor simple human gratitude.

    What to do?

    1) It is necessary to introduce a visa regime with the CIS countries (except for Belarus and Ukraine, which is being liberated from Western occupation). This will sharply limit and streamline the flow of migrants, which means it will help bring down the wave of crime, banditry and drug trafficking. This will sharply sober up the political "elites" of the CIS countries, who will have huge socio-economic problems and will not be able to solve them without Russia's help.

    2) Introduce the practice of depriving Russian citizenship not only of a person from the CIS countries who has committed a crime, but also of his closest relatives. Anyone who commits a crime or a terrorist attack should know that legal retribution will overtake not only him, but also his relatives, who will be deprived of their citizenship and forever banned from returning to the Russian Federation. If perishing pull out infection - the with root.

    3) Using economic and any other levers, Russia needs to intervene in the Russophobic education system of the CIS countries, achieve the introduction of the Russian language as the second state language (and its real introduction into the document flow and government bodies), achieve direct broadcasting of Russian media to the CIS countries (without censorship by local media). In case of refusal - a migration barrier, the termination of the issuance of loans, refusal to forgive debts, deprivation of benefits, etc. The set of measures is quite wide.

    And most importantly. Stop drawing "red lines" for ourselves in relations with the CIS countries. As recent events have shown, we do not have among them not only allies, but even just friends and strategic partners. It's time to take them off your neck, bring them to life and build extremely pragmatic relations - only in the interests of Russia and for the sake of the Russian world. And then it will become impossible to stab in the back with the execution of our soldiers at the training grounds and military units. In a war with NATO, we need a strong and reliable rear. At any price.
    1. -2
      17 October 2022 07: 29
      you wrote a lot of just excuses for yourself, but they come to your country and give bribes to YOU ​​for EVERYTHING - registration, accommodation, the favor of the district police officer and drugs they bring to you, you buy, they earn money on you - business, nothing personal. By the way, remember how much Russians were evacuated to Central Asia during the Second World War and they were greeted with love and shared the last piece of bread. And one more thing I saw on the Internet statistics on crimes committed by migrants. something like allies, but even just friends .. "- you forgot" give perestroika, down with freeloaders, take freedom as much as you like or ... fuck you all ... so who and where became your friend could be seen by the "legs of the bush" ....
    2. +5
      17 October 2022 08: 55
      Allow me to amend paragraph 2. Deprive Russian citizenship and the right to reside in the territory of the Russian Federation not only for the closest relatives, but for the entire diaspora! Are they that friendly? Let them answer together!
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    4. JPD
      0
      17 October 2022 14: 15
      With some reservations .... I agree
  7. +7
    17 October 2022 05: 46
    Let me tell you a little of my story. After Nord-Ost, I gathered some peasants to fight this muck. In fact, then the authorities could not cope with terrorist attacks. There were two groups, one combat, the second so-called intelligence. There has been a lot of talk on the net in the past. I'll tell you about the second one. So they found a group of sympathizers with spirits from the neighboring countries or our country. Well, of course, all this with the Sunnahs was diluted. In the end, they started talking about dissatisfaction with the authorities. Other dissatisfied people also joined. They noticed you, of course, when they showed interest, they began to slip literature first, then talk about the Caliphate. So-called converging views, having learned about your everyday problems, they offered to join the construction of the Caliphate. The first tasks that gave it to make a plan of a terrorist attack in the city where you live. After sending your plans, your mental and other abilities were evaluated. With unnecessary abilities used as bombs. Basically they offered money. That is, you solve your everyday problems for your life. So this execution smacks a lot of those episodes about which I told you.
    1. 0
      17 October 2022 21: 13
      It's a pity guys but what would happen if these are not broken at the moment. And they came to the line of contact. At night, grenades in dugouts and so on. And on the other side, a blow to an almost empty and open place. Well and further. So it's like a rehearsal. When they get weapons against the Russian population. Which unfortunately cannot be ruled out.
  8. +20
    17 October 2022 05: 50
    Even during the war, officers were responsible for unjustified losses. What is happening is simply incomprehensible. We carried pouches with live ammunition for three years. And during this time there were no such cases. the way they looked like Afghanistan. Shooting photos amaze me. Flooring, visor. Still a downy mattress. Well, of course, we are scoops, you splash into the mud and shoot. And it worked out well. We are waiting for an investigation.
  9. +5
    17 October 2022 05: 53
    we should wait for the announcement of the real causes of the tragedy. But in order to shoot so many with whom he spoke for a short time, there can be only three reasons.
    First, it is on religious grounds. But knowing with what tolerance in Russia Russians treat Muslims and the Islamic religion, there is no doubt that if Russians have not humiliated Muslims in Russia so far on religious grounds, then this will not happen in mobilization either. So, someone deliberately provoked it.
    Second, it may be the other way around. Many Muslims who arrived in Russia and received Russian citizenship did not do this out of love for Russia. But they know the slogan of the Brezhnev communists from the times of the USSR, about the friendship of fraternal peoples. Moreover, this slogan was repeated every day in the USSR only by Russians, and no one has ever heard that Uzbeks or Kazakhs would shout at all corners that they also profess the friendship of fraternal peoples. Brothers, no one has ever heard. And therefore, the citizenship of the Russian Federation for them now is a profitable acquisition, but for Russia it is a loss. After all, as trouble is in Russia, it is not for citizens of Uzbek or Kazakh Russia
    nationality. It is comfortable for them to maintain their mafia in the bazaars, and here the Russians called on them to defend Russia at the front. So their gene of age-old hatred for Russians shot out, they say, you owe us, and not we owe you. However, everything was different in Stalin's time, but then no one yelled about the friendship of peoples every day. It's just that those who did not want to live in friendship but wanted to be an enemy, they went to the camps or stood against the wall.
    The third reason is the work of Ukrainian specials. services, when provocateurs began to sow hatred among different nationalities in the ranks of those mobilized not on religious, but on national grounds. It may not work with religion. And given what I laid out in the comment above, the ground for provocation has been fertilized for a long time, since the post-Stalin era itself. It is Russia that always owes them something, and they do not owe Russia. These are the citizens.
  10. -10
    17 October 2022 06: 01
    The voiced idea of ​​international parts should be welded into practice. Well, if children are shot in our schools. What to say about the army. And it's not about the nationality of the terrorists. Then the Syrians where they wanted to determine then7
  11. +7
    17 October 2022 06: 21
    We know perfectly well who They are. Now it remains to understand who We are.
  12. +9
    17 October 2022 06: 23
    Hard question. But it would be even more stupid to give them the rights of a citizen without duties.
    And once again - Wahhabism, like stubborn ukrstvo - is essentially a sect. Almost no one is immune from sects, the method of involvement in sects is rolled back, remember how many of them ran in the 90s? And what, were all the grandmothers with dementia in them? I remember. I almost fell off the platform when two punks approached me, natural ones with combs, "Do you want to know God?"
    There, I remember, a completely Russian student of the history department of Moscow State University also rushed to shahid ISIS ... Here everyone needs to be sifted, and then, you can only reduce, but not completely remove
    1. +2
      17 October 2022 06: 48
      Quote from Bingo
      Hard question. But it would be even more stupid to give them the rights of a citizen without duties.

      For some reason, an analogy with the newly annexed territories of the krajina. They also got passports, but now it would be nice to check how they will protect their lands! There are such "Tajiks" ...! By the way, Shariy says that they were Uzbeks!
      1. +5
        17 October 2022 07: 38
        Quote: lithium17
        For some reason, the analogy with the newly annexed territories of the krajina. They also got passports, but now it would be nice to check how they will protect their lands!

        This is generally a song with many verses, you generally have to walk there like in a minefield, I know what I’m talking about, not other people’s places ... There you really don’t have to believe that everyone is for the Russian Federation, AND ALL THE MORE, that you have been dreaming of Russia all your life - BUILD! The simplest example - count on your fingers. how many Crimean officials remained in their places and did not go to jail for corruption? And some even fled to Ukraine, as I understand it. that it will not be his golden rain for death for such joy that he supported joining the Russian Federation. On the contrary, they are forced to work.
        About Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk regions and even think about it - Azov-Aidar and other bastards like Dnipro-1, Dnipro-2 - where did they recruit? In the Carpathians? And the gunners are running around - blacks from Ethiopia?
        There, in general, scratch with a small comb until the hand falls off
      2. 0
        17 October 2022 09: 13
        For some reason, the analogy with the newly annexed territories of the krajina. They also asked for passports



        Well, now it would be nice to check


        Are you talking about Balakeleya and Raisins?
        1. +1
          17 October 2022 09: 54
          And here is our drape and referenda. I already wrote at one time that there are a lot of cunning people who are looking for profit, and I won’t be surprised that if anything, in these territories, at best, they will run away and in reality they will stab in the back! If I'm wrong, then why is there no mobilization in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions? All legal activities not carried out? Let's say, but where are the volunteers? And yes, it needs to be taken seriously! By the way, the comrade here is right that all the national battalions are from the eastern regions, and after talking with my relatives and colleagues, I was surprised! A colleague from Lviv turned out to be the most adequate, he was always for Bender in my time, but he didn’t change shoes and somehow he didn’t really drive!
    2. +6
      17 October 2022 07: 04
      Quote from Bingo
      There, I remember, a completely Russian student of the history department of Moscow State University also rushed to shahid for ISIS.

      Only the percentage of such female students is negligible compared to the "students" of the madrasah, especially of the sectarian type.
  13. +3
    17 October 2022 06: 29
    The leadership here must definitely wait for the catastrophe, then to scratch the back of the head about the expediency of this or that action.
  14. +5
    17 October 2022 06: 30
    Guest workers on a special operation: the first consequences

    No need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence and look for some fantastic reasons.
    The reason is that the law was violated - foreign citizens were called up to the Armed Forces, possibly who had not previously served. The stupidity shown during the retraining could become a reason for taunts and mockery, followed by retaliation.
    There is a possibility that these two committed a premeditated murder. True, then the question arises, how did the lieutenant manage to kill two armed with automatic weapons?
    *****
    I would like an objective investigation
    *****
    I offer my deepest condolences to the families of the victims.
    1. +6
      17 October 2022 07: 55
      Quote: yuriy55
      The reason is that the law was violated - foreign citizens were called up to the Armed Forces, possibly who had not previously served.
      you might think there are few of them naturalized?! In St. Petersburg, the subway blew up, formally, a citizen of Russia
  15. +9
    17 October 2022 06: 44
    Discipline in the army is lame. So it's not easy to "deploy the machine gun" if the platoon is at a distance, and the instructor is looking in the back.
    And without Tajiks, there are enough problems in a multinational country. In the mono-Slavic units, there were also executions of barracks or guards. And almost always - "hazing", conscripts with weapons without the control of an officer.
  16. Eug
    +5
    17 October 2022 06: 45
    And another such moment is the behavior of these "military personnel" in relation to the population of Ukraine. For some reason, I’m sure that it definitely won’t add love and respect for Russia ...
  17. +10
    17 October 2022 07: 02
    Not! With such an approach to the organization of foreign units, nothing good will come of it ...
    Those foreigners who want to enlist should be clearly and unambiguously explained that for the duration of the contract, they will have to forget about "peculiarities of a national character"!
    And in no case do not put together units on a national basis. It’s easier to attract those on a purely commercial basis ... without promises of citizenship and fuss with assimilation ... Yes, and why do they need it, citizenship is - earned money - and go home!
    In Soviet times, there were no single Armenians, Uzbeks, Estonians in the Army either ... The service killed everyone ... unfortunately, this experience has been lost,
  18. -4
    17 October 2022 07: 06
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    And what is the reason?

    Well, what could be the reason, except for the fact that at first they allowed crowds of "workers" into the country, and then they also handed over weapons. Wonderful migration policy, in general ...

    What reason? We have been electing for 30 years at any level according to the principle "and for whom else?" A society of more than 100 million lives like in a dream, like in K. Chukovsky's fairy tale "Cockroach" ....

    And it is not able to nominate those who will defend its interests. Impotence is complete. In all senses. Even in sex. Does not provide native reproduction.

    The peoples of Central Asia are at least able to give birth to children and even elect leaders for themselves who give priority to them, and not to Russians. Therefore, the future is theirs!
  19. 0
    17 October 2022 07: 27
    And this tragedy is on the conscience of our government. Like all other tragedies on interreligious grounds. If I were president, there would not be a single migrant in our country.
  20. +5
    17 October 2022 07: 28
    In the Soviet Union, before the "parade of sovereignties" it was different - every Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen or Kyrgyz felt part of a single nation.
    "If you live together, no misfortune will overcome you; but as soon as you disperse one by one, then everything will be lost." (c) L.N. Tolstoy
  21. 0
    17 October 2022 07: 33
    These problems were expected. Unfortunately, we constantly do first, and then think:

    Kuziming
    22 September 2022 18: 22
    NEW
    +8
    Kremlin: Russian government is preparing a document on deferment from partial mobilization
    If we take as a basis the hypothesis of imitation and farce, then after the decree on mobilization everything will be played back.
    I will try to suggest considering the following theses:
    1. In a short time to prepare warm sleeping places and food for a month for 300 thousand people.
    2. Find them the required number of instructors for training camps.
    3. Provide weapons and equipment so that it is not too shameful. In any case, mobiles will drag or buy smartphones on the spot, pictures will appear if something is completely inappropriate.
    4. For 300 thousand, about 10 thousand commanders will be required who are able to work with a low-motivated contingent and not let it down for distribution on the battlefield. For good, several thousand political workers, psychologists will not hurt. They are?
    5. The concentration of soldiers in the combat area will require increased cover for them from shelling. We return to the question of high-tech warfare. Are there funds?

    However, we will see everything in the near future
  22. +12
    17 October 2022 07: 36
    Quote: Guran33 Sergey
    But I don’t agree about “alienness”, this sphere has been launched before us .. Gasters, in addition to getting less for the same work than local ones, are also subject to criminal taxes from their mafia tops of the diaspora and highley huskies are covered by our civil authorities, so what to do " Wahhabi" normal gaster like two fingers on the asphalt

    A guest worker does not need a social program, he does not have a family here - expenses are less. I disagree about the salary. They work almost around the clock, they take on everything, and between paydays they also "kalym" in their free time. So, they do it very well. If they were "crushed" here, like cockroaches, then they would have fled a long time ago. From personal experience, I can say that, having united in teams, they are able to "beat out" increased salaries, putting the employer in a difficult position. For example, 10 people work, they load a truck with furniture all day. The next day they demand an increase in prices above the tariff. If they refuse, everyone leaves en masse, or goes on strike, as according to Marx. The truck is idle. During loading operations, they hide, they have to be caught, because. time payment. When switching to a piece-rate payment (to load a truck one tariff, a GAZelle or a medium-duty truck, other prices), they immediately sdri ..., well, in general, they ran away. They hired a Russian brigade - the number of loaded cars per day and the earnings of movers increased. the next day, instead of 15 people come. 1-2. You ask where the rest are: "Zemlyak asks for help with a construction site." In our city, the third largest in Russia, with rather high rental prices, a lot of guest workers live in the city center, and landlords from our citizens categorically forbid them to settle in groups of 10 man in the apartment. When frosts begin (in Siberia from the end of October to April), most of them leave for their homes to produce children. This wild horde defies any forecasts, so it is difficult to foresee what and when they can throw out.
    1. +5
      17 October 2022 13: 07
      More and more will be brought in. Especially in the current situation. For example, take a company-enterprise where, for example, three people were mobilized from their jobs. What do you think, the owner will take other Russians in their place, who will be mobilized again after some time? Dudki. He will take those who are not subject to conscription - guest workers, citizens of another state. That is, guest workers will be more and more in demand to replace the mobilized population.
  23. 0
    17 October 2022 07: 51
    In his opinion, Russia does not pay enough attention to the republics of Central Asia.

    No need to overthink. It was not about attention, but respect! These are different concepts!
  24. +4
    17 October 2022 07: 57
    Where is it seen that the Russian does not respect anyone? If the conscripts showed nat intolerance, then these are no longer Russians. How can a polyethnonym bite its own foot? I fully agree with the author on the issue of eliminating diasporas. Diasporas are created to distinguish one from the other in the environment, the complete opposite of the declared goals.
    1. +2
      17 October 2022 09: 17
      There is no polyethnonym.
      Russians carefully maintain their national identity and consciously distance themselves from other nations. The fact that there are no national Russian republics is the merit of the multi-ethnic Russian leadership.
      The closest analogue is the Kurds. Numerous people do not have a recognized national state, but did not become a polyethnonym, despite the efforts of the Turkish, Syrian, Iraqi and other authorities.
      1. 0
        17 October 2022 22: 50
        What is the national identity expressed in? In a single language (?) around and around, a single national costume (?), give out a single Russian holiday "PURE" without clinging to the Day of the USSR Victory over Germany.
        1. 0
          18 October 2022 08: 33
          The dialects of the Saxons, Bavarians and Swabians differ more than the Ryazan, Southern and Ladoga-Tikhvin dialects.
          National identities and national ideas are a concern for intellectuals and politicians.
          Ordinary people don't care.
          The fact is that even children from mixed marriages, for whom Russian is their native language, are not perceived as "purely Russian" at the everyday level, hence Russian Germans, Russian Jews, Russian Kazakhs ... And there is nothing wrong with that, Koreans also do not consider Koreans born or lived for a long time outside of Korea as "real Koreans".
          They do not discriminate, they simply note this fact at the household level.
          How many volunteers do you think went to fight for demilitarization, denazification and against NATO?))) And how many because of nationalism, we are beaten, do we need help?
          1. 0
            18 October 2022 09: 39
            I can answer that everyone I know went against fascism, which Europe stubbornly does not see. German, such an inscription is in the passport of federal Germany, and, as it turns out, is also not a nationality. This set of letters is in the passport of those who moved there from the same Ukraine and Moldova and where they had it: Ukrainian and Moldovan, respectively. For these same passport holders, there was one thing in their earlier time, '- Russian. This I know for sure. Is it possible to lose the rights of Swabians in the same way as Russians in Estonia or Latvia? Europe does not see Nazism why?
            1. -2
              18 October 2022 10: 38
              Schwabians are not discriminated against in Germany, just as I do not discriminate against Kuryans or Vologda residents in the Russian Federation.

              In Ukraine, we see the consequences of the thoughtless division of the Union along artificially created borders.
              Interethnic conflicts in Africa and India proceed in exactly the same way. The border drawn on the map, political populism, discrimination against national minorities, rebellion, attempted forceful suppression, appeal to fellow tribesmen for help, war.

              Europe has already seen all this a hundred times and intervenes only if it is beneficial to it. Just like RF.
              If Zelensky, having come to power, had declared that he wanted to join the EAEU and provide his territory for our military bases, our television would have been touched by embroidered shirts and wreaths and talked about the ancient proud Ukrainians, our beloved friends.
              We have one such republic, where in the process of "restoring the constitutional order" 21% of 0.86% of Russians remained.
              And nothing is licked and they are not accused of fascism.
              And they even cite as an example as fiery fighters against Nazism)
              1. 0
                18 October 2022 20: 50
                They are calling back... to these areas. Where 21%. Some of my ancestors are from there.
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                2. -1
                  18 October 2022 21: 44
                  And you rent an apartment and live for a couple of months. Try to find a job, evaluate the prospects. See how people live with one of the lowest teachers' salaries in the Russian Federation.
  25. 0
    17 October 2022 07: 59
    it's not about who they are .. missing from all sides! no need to pull the nationality here .. again! enough .. all the poor!
  26. +5
    17 October 2022 08: 10
    But I propose to reflect, why on earth did Mr. Khusnullin almost set an ultimatum last fall that about 3 million guest workers be immediately brought into the country within 4-5 weeks? Is it not so that these 5 million will take to the streets with the beginning of the NWO and open a "second front"? Either citizen Khusnullin was used in the dark by Western intelligence services, blowing these ideas into his ears through mishandled Cossacks, or this citizen himself decided to play big when, in exchange for calming down the raging guest workers, he bargained for himself ... Well, let's say, the prime minister's chair with guarantees from resignation, regardless of the policy pursued. And the prime minister is, after all, the second person in the state, and if something happens to the guarantor, then it is the prime minister - the acting head of state.
    The version is cospiratory, but, nevertheless ... In any case, that hysteria of citizen Khusnullin, they say, take out and put him at least 5 million guest workers from Central Asia, when tensions around the Reich were growing, involuntarily leads to such thoughts.
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  29. +6
    17 October 2022 08: 35
    Form national divisions? It's a dead end! If we compare it with the French foreign legion, Muslims are not accepted there in principle and they are forbidden to communicate with each other in their native languages. Here, two or three did this, and what a whole battalion can think of, only Allah knows.
  30. 0
    17 October 2022 08: 39
    Or maybe you need to check everyone on a polygraph? No one came up with this?
  31. -6
    17 October 2022 09: 13
    Discussing this tragedy, we forget (or specifically do not take into account) two important nuances:
    1. Now in the NWO, one of the goals is the fight against Nazism. Those. our guys give their lives for the fact that there was no Nazism. But at the same time, in the comments (both here and in the telegram channel) there are a lot of "Tajiks get out of Russia", "gasters are not people/second class" and so on. That is, exaggerating, a significant part presents itself as "Russian Nazis." And this is extremely sad. It is very important not to slide from nationalism "we are pride and dignity" into Nazism "they are all g-no." The union, among other things, was strong in that personal qualities, and not race or place of birth, influenced perception. And if a person wants to defend the "Russian world" - honor and praise to him, and not segregation by origin. I would like to believe that commentators who have fallen to the level of the Nazis will understand this.
    2. About "we couldn't", "I'm not like that - I'm waiting for the tram", "drg-terrorists", etc. This is just an attempt to save face in the framework of partial mobilization. Imagine that in peaceful, calm time, an urgent "recruit" will demand respect from the "grandfathers", how will this end ... If it is not possible to answer physically (composition, quantitative composition, position of the local command staff), then if you do not break down and you will to protect what is dear to you, you will use any !!! funds available to you. And wait for access to equipment that allows you to take revenge and protect. Religion and nationality are absolutely not important here, because many have something for which blows cannot be forgiven. Up to ignoring one's own death as a result. And shooting, like revenge, has always been in the army and will be. For weapons are only a means of resolving conflicts, and conflicts that are not resolved by the leadership (or, much worse, supported) will lead to similar ones.

    In total, the problem is not in the Tajiks, but in the most established system (society and the army), which has already been superimposed by the current situation. And the "terrorists" themselves are only a consequence that has manifested itself in the current situation. And the source is that teaching people to kill by giving them weapons requires, first of all, psychological preparation and competence. Not a single reasonable person will insult someone else's faith, "beat on the sick", unless he specifically wants to provoke for elimination or humiliation.
    And the proposal to form "Muslim divisions" fully deserves the right to life. But not because a Christian and a Muslim cannot get along together - this is an absolute lie, but because the "system" is used to "breaking everyone into one size fits all" without taking into account such concepts as personal honor and dignity, and there are extremely few competent personnel.
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      1. +2
        17 October 2022 11: 18
        There is no personal in the army that needs to be respected. The task of the commander is to complete a combat or economic task. Take the height, dig a ditch from the fence until lunchtime, and he will achieve this by the most stringent methods, so that the charter provides enough opportunities. Soldier cog, combat unit. Breeding snot about ethnic Wishlist and religious obscurantism is a path to defeat. So it was in the SA, what is in the army today, for conscripts, is a pioneer camp.
        And yet, the institute of political officers was eliminated - there is no one to deal with psychological pumping. Just not the ones in the late 80s. Comrade Mekhlis, very good, knew how to motivate.
        1. 0
          17 October 2022 13: 51
          If this commander is in charge of contract soldiers who signed themselves, this is one thing. And if they are recruits who are not psychologically ready to give up their principles, let them better keep them away from themselves and from weapons. Here, perhaps penal battalions with detachments will help.
          1. +1
            18 October 2022 09: 07
            In the USSR, except for the officer corps, there were all conscripts. At a certain period, the most combat-ready army in the world. What does it mean to be out of arms? We have to work with personnel. Dissolved liberalism and corruption. What kind of society - such an army. When in the 80s they began to call up criminals, it became clear both the army and the USSR were over.
  32. DO
    +4
    17 October 2022 09: 14
    If a citizen of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan is ready to sign a contract in exchange for a simplified citizenship, but, probably, it is most logical to form separate battalions from such volunteers.

    If TWO (or three?) armed citizens of Tajikistan have done such things, then what is the organized BATALION of the same fanatics-inadequate capable of?
    And if in this case one armed person was enough to eliminate the armed terrorist rebels, then for the hypothetically turned weapon against Russia of the "foreign" Russian battalion, a large-scale military counter-terrorist operation will be required.
    1. -4
      17 October 2022 09: 43
      If these are motivated fighters, patriots who are not humiliated and who are competently led, it seems to me that at the front they will be much more effective than the personnel units who went to the army for benefits.
      There is no need to go far, there is an example of Chechen units that bravely defend our country together with us. And, at the same time, one can guess what will happen if, for example, any of the employees in these divisions is transferred to a company where self-affirming with the full connivance (and / or support of the command staff) will, for example, force them to eat pork and clean their boots , spitting from above and speaking about faith and relatives.
      1. DO
        +1
        17 October 2022 10: 31
        If these are motivated fighters, patriots who are not humiliated and who are competently led, it seems to me that at the front they will be much more effective than the personnel units who went to the army for benefits.
        There is no need to go far, there is an example of Chechen units that bravely defend our country together with us. And, at the same time, one can guess what will happen if, for example, any of the employees in these divisions is transferred to a company where self-affirming with the full connivance (and / or support of the command staff) will, for example, force them to eat pork and clean their boots , spitting from above and speaking about faith and relatives.

        Chechnya is part of Russia. Therefore, your words about patriotism and motivation in serving the Fatherland fully apply to the Chechens.
        Tajikistan is not part of Russia. Of course, more than thirty years ago, Tajiks and Russians were part of the same state, the USSR. Today Tajikistan is a member of the CSTO and the CIS. However, the Belgorod execution forces one to show great caution in the selection and mobilization of all the same foreigners into the Russian army. Possible interaction between Russian and Tajik units within the framework of the CSTO is a separate issue. So far, this topic is very theoretical.
        As for the inadmissibility of relations in the Russian army that degrade human dignity, I completely agree with you. Moreover, if the commander allows himself this, he has no place in the multinational Russian army, because he is simply professionally unsuitable.
        1. 0
          17 October 2022 14: 01
          In this case, an example in the framework of attacks on Islam in the form, as it was written in the original post, "inadequate fanatics."
          For me, nationality is completely unimportant and, as for someone born in the USSR, they are all mine to me, except for specific individuals who have proven the opposite.
          As for caution during mobilization - this should be in general, and not only for foreigners: if they call me up and put me in a framework when I have to use weapons for protection - then don’t shout at the forums so that Russians are no longer taken into the Russian army and in general, they are driven out of Russia only because a particular person got into a specific situation and acted as he considered right within the framework of his own worldview.
          1. DO
            +1
            17 October 2022 14: 47
            In this case, an example in the framework of attacks on Islam in the form, as it was written in the original post, "inadequate fanatics."
            For me, nationality is completely unimportant and, as for someone born in the USSR, they are all mine to me, except for specific individuals who have proven the opposite.

            I was also born in the USSR, in general I think the same way, and I don’t divide people according to nationality for myself.
            I do not see any attacks on the religion of Islam, respected by me, among other traditional confessions, in my writings. Does the Koran call to kill your commander and brothers-in-arms? Is this behavior appropriate?
            By the way, there were reports on the net that one of the "Belgorod terrorists" was held in a pre-trial detention center for possession of drugs a week before the mobilization. And by the way, in order to obtain or renew a permit for a hunting rifle or even an injury, civilians need to donate blood for drugs, get a conclusion from a narcologist, and even make an encephalogram. And here it is not known who is easily given a charged machine gun.
            As for caution during mobilization - this should be in general, and not only for foreigners: if they call me up and put me in a framework when I have to use weapons for protection - then don’t shout at the forums so that Russians are no longer taken into the Russian army and in general, they are driven out of Russia only because a particular person got into a specific situation and acted as he considered right within the framework of his own worldview.

            I would like to advise you to formulate your thoughts more strictly. For what you wrote in this paragraph can be interpreted as justifying the actions of the "Belgorod terrorists", for which a normal person cannot have excuses.
            1. 0
              17 October 2022 17: 52
              According to the Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 35: "terrorism is the ideology of violence and the practice of influencing decision-making by state authorities, local governments or international organizations associated with intimidation of the population and (or) other forms of illegal violent actions."
              "terrorist act - the commission of an explosion, arson or other actions that frighten the population and create a danger of human death, causing significant property damage or other grave consequences, in order to destabilize the activities of government bodies or international organizations or influence their decision-making, as well as the threat of committing specified actions for the same purposes;
              We love labeling. Terrorism is determined by goals, motives.
              I cannot justify what happened, nor can I judge, because, at least, I do not have reliable objective information. Just sympathize with the families of the victims.
              And in his text (no need to look for hidden meanings "behind the scenes", everything is as it is written) he expressed himself exclusively about self-defense and the incorrectness of focusing on citizenship.
              For clarity, you can, for example, recall the story of Shamsutdinov in Gorny, who preferred to sit down for 24+ years to rape. Someone will endure, "relax and enjoy", but someone will not.
              1. DO
                +1
                17 October 2022 18: 38
                I agree that in this case it would be correct to replace the word "terrorism" with the words "crime", "rebellion". Let's wait for the results of the investigation.
                And in his text (no need to look for hidden meanings "behind the scenes", everything is as it is written) he expressed himself exclusively about self-defense and the incorrectness of focusing on citizenship.
                For clarity, you can, for example, recall the story of Shamsutdinov in Gorny, who preferred to sit down for 24+ years to rape. Someone will endure, "relax and enjoy", but someone will not.

                Self defense?! Was the original reason for shooting at the commander and colleagues was someone's attempt to kill the "Belgorod rebels"? Indeed, according to eyewitnesses in the media, it was the rebels who were the first to suddenly open fire to kill! And if this were not so, the criminals would not have been able to kill 11 people and injure 15, because the victims were also armed - therefore, the victims did not expect fire in their direction.
                The story of Shamsutdinov in Gorny has nothing to do with it. For there was not a single report that anyone encroached on the virginity of criminals, offering them "European values."
  33. +8
    17 October 2022 09: 19
    It seems that someone in the power of the Russian Federation is actually replacing the Russian people with newcomers with a different culture.
    Now it looks like they will be happy to recruit even more migrants while the men defend their homeland. They want to send them to so far defenseless Russian cities.
    We need a visa regime with everyone except Belarus.
  34. 0
    17 October 2022 09: 20
    They called themselves a multinational federation (= passage yard) - reap the benefits.
  35. +4
    17 October 2022 09: 23
    In the Soviet Union, before the "parade of sovereignties" it was different - every Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen or Kyrgyz felt part of a single nation.

    The author did not serve in the Soviet Army, everything was the same, the system of "compatriots" flourished.
    1. +1
      17 October 2022 09: 46
      It was. But not everywhere. Social interaction in the assigned unit depends on the commander. And if he doesn’t care or it’s beneficial for the local diaspora to decide everything in its own way, without interfering with waiting for a pension ...
      1. 0
        17 October 2022 10: 05
        It was. But not everywhere.

        With rare exceptions everywhere. Of course, I do not have official information on the Union (and neither do you, I think). But everywhere I went, my friends, relatives, it was, and in many cases, on a unit scale, and not just in specific units.
        Not all peoples had this, here is a more correct definition. And the diaspora did not always decide - there was also hazing in parallel.
  36. +5
    17 October 2022 09: 29
    This incident says, first of all, that during the mobilization the issue of the medical commission was simply let go. There is no assessment of the moral and psychological state, how can you give a weapon into your hands is not clear to anyone ...? With us, you can’t get a driver’s license without a certificate from a narcologist and a psychiatrist, you can’t buy a hunting rifle, but here a machine gun, a machine gun - please. The enemy is not at the gates of the Kremlin, and haste is needed only when catching flies.
  37. -1
    17 October 2022 09: 33
    If you soberly assess what happened, you can immediately discard some versions.
    1. These are not suicide bombers, for such are possible only during jihad, and it has not been declared.
    2. If they did not expect to die, then there must have been a strong incentive for such risky actions. A story about a religious dispute does not stand up to scrutiny.
    Versions about non-Ustavism are also very doubtful. Non-regulation in extreme conditions is suicidal, and its nature is in the inferiority complex of "grandfathers" who assert themselves in this way.
    What kind of grandfathers can there be in a newly recruited group? Brad is. Or throw.
    3. Only the order remains, for decent money.
    And here everything converges: labor migrants are
    1. The initiative part of the population of another country.
    2. The age of the average migrant is the most demanded for the military commissar - there are almost no children and old people among them.
    3. The number of migrants is more than impressive.
    As a result, we have a very solid mobilization resource, which can greatly affect the course of the NWO.
    This is also understood in the SBU, so it is not surprising that they tried to create difficulties in its development.
    1. +1
      17 October 2022 15: 32
      There are various assumptions about the reasons. Some suggest that the reason could be classes during the obligatory prayer for Muslims.
      1. 0
        17 October 2022 16: 05
        Something in the Gudermes "academy" did not hear about such difficulties.
        Why would they be in Belgorod?
        In any case, they could simply refuse to go to the shooting range.
        What happened is a custom action, the other versions are an attempt to disperse its results to the maximum.
        The only thing worth highlighting in this story is that they were liquidated and did not receive the promised reward.
  38. -7
    17 October 2022 09: 36
    And where did the author get the information at all that the Tajiks were shooting?
    Web searches have led me to only a replicated stuffing.
    Allegedly, journalists took an interview with the wounded at the training ground and he told everything in great detail.
    And how did the journalists get in touch with a man in the hospital, probably swarming with investigators and special officers?
    How did Muslims end up in the company of Bryansk volunteers?
    Even the enemy bbc and dw do not have such information. Or maybe not Tajiks, but a white-ticketer indignant at the call? Or maybe a recidivist psychopath?
  39. +6
    17 October 2022 09: 58
    I am not a nationalist, but I think that Russia, like Europe, was filled with crowds of rabble. Not specialists come to us, but those who are not needed in their countries. And our corrupt officials and greedy businessmen are selling the future of the Motherland, letting in migrants and corrupting society. We need a ban on migrants, with the exception of rare specialists. We will reduce unemployment in the country and social tension
  40. -2
    17 October 2022 10: 02
    So we don't know exactly what happened.
    And, let me remind you, at the beginning of the NWO, the media and TV showed videos with "volunteers" Syrians and blacks.
    At the time of the formation of volunteers, before the call, they accepted quite a few. Moreover, without citizenship, and showing up from the unrecognized republics. Well, everyone has heard about criminals.

    Against this background, no one will stop the reception, perhaps just bungling and hazing due to haste (I have already heard 2 real stories from my acquaintances, how everything was stolen from their friends / acquaintances / relatives at the call / training camp)

    That bungling is widespread, everyone understands, IMHO.
  41. +1
    17 October 2022 10: 16
    As for the proposals to isolate these divisions on a national basis, there are pluses and minuses here.
    Plus - this is a good coherence within the unit due to the lack of a language barrier.
    Minus - the process of integration of these people into our society stops, the opposite process arises - the strengthening of isolation. And this isolation within the Russian Federation will not have a material basis, as is the case with the national battalions of the constituent republics of the Russian Federation. This means that there will be an increase in the problem of compact living of people of a different culture among the local population. At one time, this was faced in the United States, when immigrants from Italy and China did not assimilate in a common melting pot, but created their own neighborhoods - with their own mafia, their own internal unwritten laws. Each such formation is a source of tension and a fertile field for provocations.
    And this field, as a result of the isolation of future citizens of the Russian Federation on a national basis, will be strengthened. Although in the case of the integration of each fighter into a common family, where natives from all over Russia fight, it will have the exact opposite effect.
    So in the end - the pluses in the current moment can turn into minuses in the long run.
  42. +3
    17 October 2022 10: 36
    Mono-ethnic units have already shown themselves in the Second World War, so they were quickly scattered across other units
  43. -1
    17 October 2022 10: 51
    it is probably most logical to form separate battalions from such volunteers
    - not more logical, especially at the first stage. Causes a wagon and a small cart.
    how much the representatives of Central Asia sympathize or at least understand the need for a special operation
    - this is a job (under a contract), they offer not to marry and like it, don’t like it, it doesn’t roll. Ideological stuff is good, but there are few of them.
    touch on the combat effectiveness of units recruited from guest workers
    people are probably not fools whom they recruit and where they will be distributed later.
    The main thing is that they would not be engaged in looting in the rear.
  44. +3
    17 October 2022 10: 53
    The size of the Russian army is 1200000 people, plus 400000 of the National Guard, etc. of the so-called "siloviki", where are they? Some are on paper, and some inside the country are preparing to fight, guarding someone’s peace, so to speak ... Civilians are being removed from enterprises and sent to the front, things are apparently very bad. The enterprises are already dominated by all sorts of Tajiks, and now even more so, a vicious circle of monstrous migration policy, when Russians are not enough for the full-fledged work of the economy, and now they are taking out everyone in general. Is it the same in the army? Since migrants are called winked The low standard of living already did not contribute to the birth rate, and now you can’t force women at all - let’s give birth, support the family, etc., and now send the peasant to the army and turn around yourself! Great. Where are the army and professional security officials who consciously chose their profession - to defend their homeland? smile Tajiks will not save Russia, they had to think about their people.
  45. +2
    17 October 2022 10: 56
    a citizen of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan is ready to sign a contract in exchange for a simplified citizenship, but, probably, it is most logical to form separate battalions from such volunteers

    ... and get a whole military unit instead of two "abnormal" ones?
  46. +2
    17 October 2022 11: 01
    Quote from Deon59
    We have hidden unemployment. The allowance is somewhere around 1500 rubles, and you need to collect a bunch of papers, it’s not a fact that they will pay

    Still worse. These 1500 now pay no more than 3 months. Moreover, they specifically give directions to work that is obviously unsuitable for a person. But at the same time they have a by-law that for the unemployed, ANY job is suitable. So 3 months won't work. And these 1500 will not even recoup the costs of transport, the Internet and other things related to finding a job. I stood for almost 4 years, recently spat.
  47. 0
    17 October 2022 11: 03
    And where did the army of Putin, Serdyukov, Shoigu go? After all, the money has been spent, let the mercenaries go to the front and those drafted into the army will take their places in the rear.
  48. -1
    17 October 2022 11: 31
    Therefore, if there is already a need to attract foreign labor with weapons in their hands, then let these be mono-national units


    There is a well-known example of the French Foreign Legion, which accepts foreigners who wish to obtain French citizenship.

    Why officials from the Ministry of Defense have not yet formed the Russian Foreign Legion from guest workers who want to obtain Russian citizenship remains a mystery.
    We have been fighting in Syria since 2014...
    Since 2014, there has been a war in the Donbass ..

    You just need to copy the mechanism that the French have been debugging for many decades.

    Persons entering the Russian Foreign Legion must clearly understand that for treason, desertion and war crimes against colleagues and civilians, they will be judged according to the laws of wartime, and all close relatives will be deported from the Russian Federation for life.

    All foreign military bases and peacekeeping missions must serve the forces of the Russian Foreign Military Legion.

    Most civilized countries no longer send their citizens under bullets and shells, but use mercenaries who want to obtain citizenship.

    On the territory of Russia, foreign citizens wishing to obtain citizenship of the Russian Federation must be sent to military engineering and construction battalions for three years.
    Let them serve for the good of Russia before obtaining citizenship.
    For three years of service, "garbage" will be filtered out by itself from criminals, drug dealers, beggars and other riffraff, who will be deported from Russia for life and put on the "black lists".
  49. +6
    17 October 2022 11: 41
    I am most outraged by the fact that the healthiest (constantly under the supervision of doctors), the strongest (training and games every day), the best in the world who know how to rush, etc. ... You understand, I'm talking about Russian athletes, and there are 7 of them leagues in football, 5 in hockey, etc. STILL NOT SUBJECT TO MOBILIZATION!!!! Who needs this entertainment during the war ??? Deputies and government officials are also under mobilization, and no privileges, to the front line, because they have more than anyone from the state !!!
    1. +4
      17 October 2022 11: 44
      And a few more words... Mercenaries must fight for the business of top officials and oligarchs!! Let them dump their money and hire defenders of their hard-earned money on our blood ...
      1. +1
        17 October 2022 13: 01
        At the expense of the oligarchs, a foreign military legion should be formed, armed and exist.
        The new tax on the country's security of 2-3% of income will not greatly burden the multibillion-dollar accounts of "Putin's friends" ...
  50. +1
    17 October 2022 11: 42
    Now they will definitely send without preparation. And then in such a way 300 thousand will quickly end.

    Even the weapons will be taken away. Give out bricks. And that's not for everyone
  51. +5
    17 October 2022 11: 51
    From the early morning of Saturday the 15th my soul became gloomy. I read the news on Zen. The TV was silent all day. I was waiting for news on VO...silence (most likely, they thought it was fake?). Is this an ordinary event? Our men went to WAR...and were shot on the “peaceful” Belgorod land. Let's remember Charlie in France... how much noise there was. The dignitaries immediately rushed over!!! Condolences! Mourning! And here...Or, as usual...are Russian women still giving birth?
    It's a shame, sorry guys. Everlasting memory! Eternal peace! Lord rest the souls of Your lost servants!
  52. 0
    17 October 2022 11: 54
    On the morning of October 15, eleven Bryansk volunteers were shot at one of the military training grounds in the Belogorsk region.
    The Bryansk governor denied that the dead were mobilized citizens from the Bryansk region. sad
  53. -2
    17 October 2022 12: 10
    Quote: Michael Drabkin
    After all, you have to pay enough for your own so that he can support his family, pay a communal apartment, etc.

    —- The capitalist pays the minimum, they do not care about the communal apartment, the family of the worker. Russians who are not alone are not mobile. Work is in A, and the unemployed are in B. And the guest worker is mobile and follows the vacancies.

    - The Russian worker is more suitable and in demand. Therefore, competition for jobs at the base of the pyramid of qualifications among Russians is small, and Russians need to be paid more, and Russians cannot find hands in B.

    —- So, in fact, they carry both to pay less and to have hands in B.

    Why did this happen?

    —-Guest workers are and will be. This is the objective reality of capitalist Russia without any "curtains ..."

    —-It happened because the military commissar is not responsible for the quality of those liable for military service. He followed the letter of the law, but not as a military man in the first trench of the struggle for the very existence of Russia, but as a bureaucrat.

    —-It happened because the Special Department let the mobilized through, because the Military Counter-Intelligence does not participate in the filtering.

    - Well done lieutenant, quickly reacted, probably in a minute. But where was common sense, ingenuity - not to mention vigilance - to allow a machine gun? Although, maybe these are equivalent to the APU of the Tajiks. Were the Military Police there during the tragedy?... Somehow I can't believe that they are martyrs... but there are many Tajiks in Afghanistan... Ahmad Shah Massoud was a Tajik.

    — Eternal memory to the dead! Speedy recovery to the wounded!

    Two Tajiks were enough to cause discord. Which may turn out to be any ethnicity, just immigrants from Tajikistan. But it’s so convenient to immediately see that they are non-Russian. Despite the fact that Buryats and Chechens and Dagestanis, who are called Russians, are now fighting in their own country, and before that in civilian life they were always non-Russian for Russians.
  54. -1
    17 October 2022 12: 17
    If a citizen of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan is ready to sign a contract in exchange for a simplified acquisition of citizenship, it is probably most logical to form separate battalions of such volunteers

    I think that the magical (aspirated) word “volunteer”, like “open the doors”, opened doors and hearts for these characters, so to speak. It’s as if we don’t have a problem with terrorists from Central Asia, literally at all, and as if there are no cultural or language barriers.
    I have a suspicion that the conversation between these characters and the psychologist during the selection process was as short as that of the average Russian conscript. And even if it was a little longer, this is a psychologist and not an ethnopsychologist.
  55. +6
    17 October 2022 12: 48
    And for example, you can’t put Kyrgyz and Tajiks next to each other, they’ll shoot you. Armenians with Azerbaijanis...
    Maybe I shouldn’t deal with these hemorrhoids at all? All the same, they are of little use, and people die. Do we need such fellow citizens? A visa regime is needed even more than before. The labor market is already shrinking. They will only organize riots in the rear.
    1. 0
      17 October 2022 19: 56
      They all need to be drafted into the army, but into ethnic battalions and companies. Do not turn your back to them, but always keep machine gun companies behind them.
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  57. +2
    17 October 2022 13: 12
    Quote: JcVai
    our guys give their lives so that Nazism does not exist. But at the same time, in the comments (both here and on the telegram channel) there are a lot of “Tajiks get out of Russia”, “Gasters are not people/second class”, etc. That is, exaggerating, a significant part presents themselves as “Russian Nazis.”

    Russians have never been Nazis and have always lived peacefully with all the peoples that Rus' has absorbed. In fact, in Russia of the 20th century, we met with representatives of other nations in the market, or during military service. All nations and nationalities mainly lived within the borders of their historically established regions, had work and income. In addition, we must take into account that all The Union republics, in terms of the level of well-being and provision of citizens with everything necessary, were at a higher level than in the RSFSR, which was the main engine of the USSR economy. This is a generally accepted fact. I had to serve everywhere and I am fully responsible for my words. After the collapse of the USSR, everything changed. A situation has arisen that Russia has turned out to be everyone’s enemy, a “prison of nations” and owes everything to everyone. Unable to adapt to new conditions, hordes of unemployed began to besiege Russian regions, while disregarding the traditions and culture of the indigenous population. The greed and stupidity of our businesses and their representatives in power did not care about what was happening in the regions; the crime rate on the part of visitors increased. Thanks to corporate adhesions and the high level of corruption in our state, these foreigners began to establish their own rules, areas of their compact residence appeared in cities, they began to receive citizenship, climb into power, laws are passed in relation to them on their social adaptation here. And then there’s Islamic fundamentalism and its manifestations in everyday life. The people don’t like this and they have the right to express their claims to the authorities.
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  60. 0
    17 October 2022 14: 00
    the problem is that these terrorists are volunteers
  61. +1
    17 October 2022 14: 07
    The country needs 37 years, clean up all the trash, look at the same ones who are pulling the strap, the same ones serve in the army, and now they are defending the Motherland, damn you go to large offices, administrations, how many young people who did not serve, and yet even the law has been passed those who did not serve are not to be taken into power, and I don’t even want to write
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  62. +1
    17 October 2022 15: 11
    Just take this million and throw it back home. Let yours work.
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  64. +1
    17 October 2022 17: 05
    The level of training, with all due respect, is not the highest. At best, it remained at the turn of the 70-80s of the last century. The vast majority of visitors also have no combat experience. Is it possible to prepare such a volunteer for the realities of the Northern Military District in a month of retraining?

    In terms of?! I served conscripts near Tomsk in 2008. The level of training, with all due respect, is not the best. Over the course of a year, I fired 4 AK magazines and threw one grenade. Specialty: rifle squad commander.
    They were not mobilized only because of temporary health problems.
    How effective would I be? Was it possible to prepare me in a month? Author, you described the level of their training in the same way as one could describe the level of training of many currently mobilized. Or do you not know how emergency service works?
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  66. +3
    17 October 2022 18: 48
    Let them be useful in their countries. They are all independent and self-sufficient (not like the former Soviet Republics!). It will be easier for us and for them too.
  67. amr
    -1
    17 October 2022 19: 13
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Well, what could be the reason, except for the fact that at first they allowed crowds of "workers" into the country, and then they also handed over weapons. Wonderful migration policy, in general, the reason!

    I absolutely don’t see a cause-and-effect relationship!

    that among Russian citizens there are no insane people???
    I believe that you need to first understand the reasons, and only then draw conclusions!
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  69. amr
    -1
    17 October 2022 19: 16
    Quote from Matsur
    and before that, in civilian life, for Russians they were always non-Russian.

    I like this approach too!
    Like something useful, good, brave, so - we are all Russian! like where something is bad, so let’s figure out who’s nationality is and where it comes from!!!

    Moreover, this is a country that fights fascism, Nazism and nationalism!!
  70. amr
    0
    17 October 2022 19: 18
    Quote from buslaif
    The Atesh movement, which includes Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians and Russians, appeared on the Internet after the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia. There is a video message on the group’s channel, which states that its members are supposedly mobilizing into the Russian army in order to “destroy it from the inside.”

    Throwing in Tsisom 110%.... they will hang an order on their chest for any bad thing in the Russian army!
  71. +1
    17 October 2022 19: 41
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    They can be paid the minimum.

    What nonsense?..
    I saw, for example, salary slips for migrant driver drivers in Moscow and for local drivers in Siberia.
    This is not an accident
  72. 0
    17 October 2022 19: 51
    Quote from Bioorganism
    Russian people

    What kind of people are these?
    Tajiks with Russian passports?
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  74. +1
    17 October 2022 20: 18
    No. The problem is different, I think. My personal opinion. How many Russians are there in the Kremlin?
  75. -2
    17 October 2022 20: 34
    Well. They killed the Russians. What next? It's good that the quarrel started. It will end as always. Russians will not be killed.
  76. 0
    17 October 2022 21: 16
    It’s good that there are normal lieutenants... but who was above him? Major? by last name?
  77. -1
    17 October 2022 22: 46
    I completely disagree with the author of the article on all theses.
    1. The right of citizens or those who receive this right to earn it by serving in the Armed Forces is very true and correct. In fact, by serving the country they will prove their right to be its citizens. This is wonderful. And the fact that they are untrained is the same as those who are taken from among the representatives of the titular nation. Most of those who previously served are far from special forces of the Airborne Forces or the GRU. And the amount of training was different everywhere, but taking into account that it was 1 year and that the person shot with a machine gun a couple of times... Consider it nothing. Considering yourself prepared and being prepared are two different things. If we as a society, because of two idiots, begin to sow distrust in those who decided to become part of our society through serving it, then we will definitely lose.
    2. Issues of clarification of the goals of the SBO and true motivation:
    Obviously, not everyone in the RF Armed Forces is there just because they love to fight... This is true.
    The fact that the goals of the SVO need to be communicated to citizens and especially military personnel, of course, and foreigners have nothing to do with it. The fact that non-citizens in the Russian Federation do not know the language is a question for the migration policy of the Government of the Russian Federation. Dividing people into ethnic groups will lead to varieties, and then how will we be better than the Ukrainian fascists? And yes, I am in favor of first providing work for the locals, although I may be a stubborn communist and patriot. The accents are just different.
    3. About the possibility of bringing its enemy agents overland into the ranks of the Armed Forces - there are plenty of them and it is 1000 times easier for an ethnic Ukrainian, even a Slav, to get into the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation without suspicion, but what is in his head and what motives he has is not determined by his ethnicity and skin color ... There are competent authorities, let them work. Nobody canceled the polygraph...
    4. About the creation of various wild divisions, private military companies, personal detachments named after anyone, I am strictly against - why the whole article, in short - the army is not a private shop and only unity of command. Everything else and special tasks, purely legal issues, should be regulated with the help of relevant laws. The absence of PMCs in the USSR did not prevent the KGB from carrying out tasks around the world. The Wagnerites are cool, well done - but no matter how you decorate and romanticize their worthy work - objectively, 90% of people go there for economic reasons. And this is also motivation. And it’s worth asking the question: is it normal that people, healthy men, are ready to risk their lives for 200000 a month in order to earn at least something in a country where there is the entire periodic table on the one hand and no prospects for the majority on the other... That’s not why that it’s boring people go to their deaths every day in PMCs...
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  79. +2
    17 October 2022 23: 14
    The tragedy ala “GTA gang” repeated itself. And now they are also trying to silence the motives of the terrorists, as was the case then. Then the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (V. Markin) became famous for a very strange lie about the motives of the gang - they were just selfish bandits (although everyone knew BEFORE their capture that they did not take anything other than IDs from their road victims)! I went to the trial of the GTA gang (before their escape), felt the gaze of these Wahhabis on me and immediately understood: only kill them. By making an exception to the moratorium on the death penalty. There is no other way. I wrote about that lie in 2016 in Vzglyad, an article: “Either the fight against terror, or tolerance.” After that article, they won’t publish me in Vzglyad, but that’s okay. It’s worse that such a tragedy is repeated again and again kept silent. Like we don’t need intolerance here in the Russian Federation, let there be terror again... Well, well. If you don’t want to remember the lessons of the past, then it will happen again. We have many (both in power and simply patriotic sycophants) who like to edit our history and erase “unpleasant” moments. Interview people in your circle and count: how many of them know about the Turkestan (Central Asian) uprising of 1916, its causes, consequences for Russians in Central Asia? I'm sure the percentage of those who know will be very small. This is a “black hole” of Russian history - it is forbidden to know! Nicholas II is now such a beacon of ours and almost a saint. It is impossible to write about his terrible mistakes and stupid escapades (such as the Chinese guest workers who built the railway to Murmansk, and then served in the Cheka on the way home to China). That is why we have nothing in school history about the Turkestan uprising. And the roots of this terrorist attack come from there, but the authorities will carefully erase this terrorist attack (as well as the shame with the “GTA gang”) from the memory of society. To run into the same rake again...
  80. -1
    17 October 2022 23: 23
    These two blockheads clearly worked for the Ukrainians. Having shot the cartridges, they intended to run away, but were unlucky.
  81. -3
    17 October 2022 23: 37
    Modern residents of Bryansk have little contact with residents of Central Asia, since they are far from this region. Therefore, they do not know how to communicate with this nation. Tajiks in Russia are extremely rarely fans of terrorist eastern movements. They are strictly processed by the FSB. There is an everyday conflict here, when they hang whatever they want on the dead Tajiks based on the large number of victims and the obvious protocols of the organizers.
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    1. 0
      18 October 2022 10: 19
      The Chinese have a system that is similar in some ways and different in others. Their army has a higher status than the state security agencies. Therefore, no one will allow the Ministry of Public Security to interfere in the affairs of the PLA. On the contrary, they periodically send representatives of the army for leadership work to the Ministry of Public Security (performing all the functions of our Ministry of Internal Affairs, the National Guard, the FSO, as well as most of the functions of our FSB) and the Ministry of State Security (analogous to our foreign intelligence service plus some of the functions of our FSB ). Their functions of special departments are performed by bodies controlled by the political bodies of the PLA, which are under the direct control of party structures.
  83. +1
    18 October 2022 07: 29
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    shot eleven Bryansk volunteers.
    And what is the reason? You need to know what to prevent in the future! PS Condolences to the families of the dead and recovery to the wounded....

    Do you want to know the REASON? There can be many of them. From the participation of their parents, perhaps themselves, in the civil war in Tajikistan, when they participated on the side of the Vovchiks. Anyone who lived there in those days knows that this is the local name for Wahhabis. After the defeat, a lot of Vovchiks hid not only in Afghanistan, but also in Russia.
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    18 October 2022 09: 50
    An example of my city. All minibus drivers were local. Then the huckster owners started whining that Vanya, a drunk, didn’t want to work. We recruited “CIS citizens” who were ready to work for half price. Literally two years later, a “route mafia” was organized, there was no way for locals to get in at all.... And the ultimatum “uh, boss, turn the steering wheel yourself for half the price!” The result is that locals are without work, and young girls do not walk around the outskirts without security. By the way, on construction sites, “immigrants” have not worked for pennies for a long time, and I’ve seen enough of what “hard workers” and “masters” they are.
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    18 October 2022 18: 43
    It's good that the lieutenant was found. But the lieutenant was not responsible for organizing the event. Who? What's your name? briefly?
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    18 October 2022 19: 38
    I would like to remind the author, whom I respect, that there is such a body in the troops as military counterintelligence, and a comrade like that was, and probably still is, a special officer. A person who ensured the security along his line, and not only that of these military units, both publicly and, most importantly, secretly through our agents.. We draw a conclusion from what happened, it means that no one worked there on this line and I wouldn’t even be surprised that the bosses only learned about the fact that these personnel need to be studied, no one knows or studies the personnel newly arrived for mobilization , and think about it, these personnel are given a variety of weapons and ammunition. So a tragedy happened. With this approach to the study of our mob citizens, this situation may repeat itself again and again. I would also like to note that there were such guys in the troops as political officers, political instructors, who if they were normal and hard-working, they kept their companies and battalions under control and knew everything that their beloved personnel breathed, and by the way, they were multinational. Once again we are faced with the professional incompetence of officials who must be studied in various areas, newly arrived personnel who before This tragic incident was left to itself. This is the result.
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  91. +2
    19 October 2022 09: 15
    According to the laws of Tajikistan, volunteers are classified as mercenaries, which means 12 to 20 years in prison. In Uzbekistan, it is more loyal - from five to ten years of imprisonment. The Kyrgyz who dared to sign up as volunteers for the Russian special operation face ten years.

    You must always respond in RECIPROCITY (to all countries including the CSTO). If Rakhmon made such a decision, then what are the problems? If something happens, our 201st base can respond to him in the same way - “let’s stand on the sidelines,” what’s the problem?
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      21 October 2022 09: 03
      By the way, yes, the Tajiks are praying that Putin doesn’t take her out of there, he communicated, according to the words of visiting workers)
  92. +1
    21 October 2022 08: 45
    Now let's touch on the combat effectiveness of units recruited from guest workers. Most of the visitors from Central Asia are between the ages of 25 and 40, which means they could have had time to serve in the national armies. The level of training, with all due respect, is not the highest. At best, it remained at the turn of the 70-80s of the last century. The vast majority of visitors also have no combat experience. Is it possible to prepare such a volunteer for the realities of the Northern Military District in a month of retraining?

    And what will change in this equation if it is applied to those mobilized from among Russian citizens? Moreover, not everyone was given even a month for training and combat coordination.
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    23 October 2022 09: 34
    The Israeli authorities are burying the bodies of Muslim terrorists in a medical waste cemetery wrapped in pork skin, destroying houses, and evicting families. I hope our authorities are strong enough to act accordingly.