The lever from below is forever, or “A holy place is never empty”

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The lever from below is forever, or “A holy place is never empty”
Winnetou and Shetterhand. Please note that the latter has a Winchester M1894 with a semi-pistol grip in his hand. Frame from the film "Among the Kites" (1964)


“Despite all my caution, what I feared happened. Some three hours had passed after sunrise, and suddenly about twenty armed natives showed up in my rear. I lean against a tree and decide that if I sell my skin, I will take it dearly. And they yell, yell and run right at me. I take aim and think: maybe they will stop. But after all, those boobies believed that the carbine did not shoot, there was nothing to be afraid of. And now they are already twenty paces away from me and shout, and wriggle, and grimace, and shake their spears. Well, there was no more time to think about it. I shot! Dude, that was like a cannon shot! Think: seventeen grams of English gunpowder! Three people dropped dead. It was terrible to see what the explosive bullet had done.
- I think! This bullet can kill an elephant!
“To their own misfortune, they stood one behind the other.
- Well!..
- Poor fellows! .. I didn’t need to shoot anymore - I remained the master of the situation. They ran like a herd of antelope and disappeared from view. I got freedom."

The Diamond Thieves, Louis Boussinard

stories about weapons. History about the Marlin rifle was liked by many VO readers. But questions arose as to how many different firms in the United States produced rifles controlled by a lever-bracket. True, we have already talked about some of them here, in particular, about the Savage rifle (or Savage, you can do this and that). But to see them all at once in one material is also very interesting. It is not for nothing that it is said: “How to compare, but look ...”, and that’s exactly what we will do today.



And we’ll start by remembering that the shutter control mechanism using a lever located under the bolt box appeared for the first time not on Winchester rifles, and not even on a Henry rifle (which we also talked about in great detail), and not on a pistol " Volcanic", but on the Jennings rifle, which from 1849 to 1852 created and sold a primer magazine rifle (with an underbarrel magazine) of lever action. The Jennings rifle was manufactured by Robbins & Lawrence in Windsor, Virginia. Moreover, the foreman there was one B. Tyler Henry, who then played a prominent role in the design and development of lever weapons. That is, he had a place to gain relevant experience.


Jennings rifle. Photo 1895gunner.com

Production of the Jennings rifle ceased in 1852, and all of the company's investors are said to have suffered heavy losses. Well - money problems were not something new then in the firearms industry, as in any other.


Ball rifle. Please note that it does not have a lever as such. Just the trigger guard is slightly enlarged. Photo 1895gunner.com

Another model little known to us, especially in comparison with the rifle of the same Tyler Henry, is the rifle attributed to Albert Ball of Worcester, Massachusetts, which since 1865 was produced by Lamson & Co. of Windsor, Vermont. It used the very powerful .56-50 Spencer rimfire welt cartridges. The total length was 95,8 cm. The barrel length was 50,8 cm.

The result is a fine lever-action carbine suitable for scouts, snipers, infantry and mounted troops - compact enough to be used in close combat. The cartridge provided good stopping power and range, and seven rounds were ready to fire in a tubular magazine. A small number of these carbines were converted after the Civil War to fire .44 "Long Ring" cartridges.


Bullard rifle. Photo 1895gunner.com

Manufactured by Bullard Repetition Arms. A distinctive feature of the Bullard rifle bolt was its movement along two gears. Accordingly, there was a gear rack at the bottom of the shutter, and another of the same rail was controlled by a lever-bracket. Because of this, the movement of the shutter was exceptionally smooth and smooth, but on the other hand, the receiver turned out to be somewhat longer and heavier compared to other “lever rifles”. The method of loading through the hole in its lower part was also unsuccessful.

They were produced from 1883 to 1890, but only 2800 rifles were produced chambered for: .32-40-150, .38-45-190, .40-70-232, .40-75-258, .40-90- 300, .45-85-290 and .50-115-300. Bullard's company tried to compete with the Winchester, Marlin, and Whitney companies. But despite the smooth action of the shutter and excellent quality, it was not possible to “kill” the enemy companies with their rifles.


Rifle "Colt-Burgess". Photo 1895gunner.com

The rifle was designed by E. Burgess of Oswego, a photographer by profession, and had a very unusual action with a receiver cover. When the lever was fully pressed down, the bolt rose to a vertical position, while its cover in the receiver moved back horizontally. During the period from 1883 to 1885, 6403 rifles chambered for .44-40 Winchester were produced.

The tubular magazine is located under the barrel in a manner similar to other lever-action rifles and has a capacity of 15 rounds in the rifle version or 12 rounds in the carbine version. The receiver of the Burgess rifle is smaller than that of the Winchester M1873, which makes it a lighter weapon. The bolt action of a rifle is also considered to be a more robust design. The 1883 rifle was designed and patented by Andrew Burgess, who sold his design to the Colt Company. Replicas of the Burgess rifle and carbine are currently manufactured by the Italian company Uberti chambered in .45 Colt.


It is possible that the sheriff (on the left) fires just such a shotgun. Frame from the movie "Stagecoach" (1935)

Rifles manufactured by the Ithaca Gun Company were sold in the United States from 1961 to 1978. The company was founded in 1883 by William Henry Baker and initially produced double-barreled shotguns. But then she also began to produce "winchesters", but unsuccessfully, and in 2005 she had to sell all her assets.


Repeating rifle Iver Johnson. Photo 1895gunner.com

The rifle was sold from 1985 to 1990, and was chambered in .22 caliber rimfire Winchester long cartridges. Barrel length 47 cm. The magazine holds 15 rounds. The rifle was designed by Erma in Germany. Rifle design by Louis Imperato, father of the Henry Repetition Arms


Rifle from Morris & Brown Conical Repiting Rife. Photo 1895gunner.com

The rifle appeared in 1861 and was chambered in .38 caliber rimfire and was completely unusual in every way. The fact is that she had a six-shot drum, behind which there was a conical funnel that directed the fired bullets into the barrel. The drum surrounded a cylindrical shutter to prevent the release of gases from it to the outside. Interestingly, the drum did not rotate: instead, when cocked, the drummer turned and each time stood in front of the next chamber. Despite the interesting design, the big disadvantage of this design was that the trap funnel wore out quickly. A total of two copies were made, both had breech damage that needed to be repaired. A ring lever behind the open trigger (no trigger guard) cocks and rotates the firing pin. Currently, two surviving examples can be seen at the Cody Firearms Museum, Wyoming, and at the Virginia Military Institute.


Rifle Stevens 425 "High Power". Photo 1895gunner.com

Produced from 1911 to 1917. Cartridges: .25 Remington, .30-30, .32 and .35 Remington. The M425 was Remington's standard model, followed by even more expensive examples such as the 430, 435 and 440, with the later ones featuring fancy walnut stocks and stocks with high quality knurling and extensive engraving on the receiver. Interestingly, outwardly, the rifle was very similar to the Marlin M336. Stevenson's shutter goes back in an arc and becomes vertical!


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Whitley-Kennedy rifle. Photo 1895gunner.com

The history of this rifle is as follows: it was produced from 1880 to 1886. In 1880, Samuel W. Kennedy and Frank W. Teasing modified the 1878 Burgess rifle to use the popular .44 "Winchester" cartridge. The total production is estimated at about 23 copies. Rifles were produced in .500-45, .75-40, .60-38, .40-50 and .95-32 calibers.

Also, the Remington Nylon 76 rifle was produced in very large quantities, which in 1962-1965. chambered in caliber .22 "Long Remington" was produced in the amount of 26 copies. It was produced in two versions: "Nylon 327" "Black Apache" and "Nylon 76" "Brown Mohawk". Recognized "fastest-firing lever-action rifle in the world". But outwardly - all the same "Winchester". Only in one case black, and in the other - brown.


Rifle firm "Mossberg" M464 with a pistol grip. Photo 1895gunner.com

Years of release: 2008-2021. Cartridges: .30-30 "Winchester". The rifle is very carefully made and balanced, therefore, it is considered to have the same smooth action as a Marlin, and as good balance as a Winchester.


M464 variant with a straight butt neck. Photo 1895gunner.com


Another "Mossberg" with a lever mechanism - 464SPX. Obviously designed for lovers of everything ultramodern. Photo 1895gunner.com


And these are eminently modern "lever" "Remingtons". Photo 1895gunner.com


"Bloody knife" - a scout from the detachment of General Custer with a Winchester in his hands, 1876. Photo winchesterguns.com

And yet, despite the abundance of copies and original developments, the traditional “Winchester” from the “Winchester” does not give up its positions, and the 1894 model is especially popular.


"Winchester" 1894 Photo winchesterguns.com

True, due to the design of the shutter, it is the “hard drive” that is inconvenient for installing an optical sight on it. That is, it can be installed, but you have to move it forward, which is not very convenient!


This is how the optical sight on the "Winchester" model "Scout" M1894 looks like ... Photo winchesterguns.com
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  1. +3
    17 October 2022 06: 00
    Thanks to the author! Great breakdown! And now about Russian weapons for comparison.
    1. +7
      17 October 2022 06: 04
      And now about Russian weapons for comparison.


      There was nothing like it in Russia at that time, so there is nothing to compare with. hi
      1. +6
        17 October 2022 06: 41
        Yeah.
        There is nothing to compare.
        Double-barreled shotguns were also produced to order or in very small batches. And who would buy a "Russian hard drive"?
        For what needs?
        1. +7
          17 October 2022 07: 12
          For what needs?


          For the Chukchi - but to beat the even fox, and to shoot the nosers on the odd ones. laughing
          1. +3
            17 October 2022 21: 31
            For the Chukchi and other Samoyeds, the Americans themselves imported "Winchesters". And with the then Russian logistics, the domestic rouge would have reached the hunter of the Far North for a year!
            It was easier to bring from Alaska and exchange for skins!
            And give me a bottle of whiskey...
            There are no borders, no customs.
            Expanse for the "Yankee salesman"!
            1. +1
              18 October 2022 14: 43
              It was easier to bring from Alaska and exchange for skins! Expanse for the "Yankee salesman"!

              And then !!! laughing drinks

              1. +1
                18 October 2022 14: 56
                So the Yankees and the Japanese were "dragged" from the Russian Far East !!!
                And the kings had no business to distant frontiers.
                1. +1
                  18 October 2022 15: 09
                  Yes, and under the kings there were guys there who didn’t care, they did what they could, only the kings put sticks in their wheels. I mean Lieutenant Khvostov and Midshipman Davydov. Yes, and all sorts of operas were written about the fool Ryazanov, and not about them. Such is the injustice.
      2. +2
        17 October 2022 16: 30
        Vyacheslav hi such a question, but there were no attempts to use the butt of a rifle as an additional magazine, for cartridges? The idea itself lies on the surface, an additional clip in battle is never superfluous! hi
        1. +2
          17 October 2022 16: 38
          You wrote to me. smile

          And an additional store in the butt ... why complicate the weapon. And so were the popular systems of Spencer and Sharps.
          1. +1
            17 October 2022 17: 24
            Catfish hi I actually wrote to "Caliber" -Vyacheslav Shpakovsky hi , but in my opinion the butt can be used as efficiently as possible, for example, hollow inside, and place cartridges there, not a clip, but a certain amount separately!
            1. +5
              17 October 2022 17: 49
              I actually wrote to "Caliber" -Vyacheslav Shpakovsky


              I understood this, and therefore answered that "You wrote to me", therefore Vyacheslav did not answer you.
              A hollow butt gives less reliability when handling weapons, not without reason that Henry and Winchester replaced the Sharps and other models with a hollow butt. And for a spare ammunition load, cartridges carried in pouches are enough. Yes, and it is more convenient to get them from there. But this is my opinion, and you try to ask Vyacheslav this question. hi
            2. +6
              17 October 2022 19: 43
              Quote: Thrifty
              am to place cartridges, not a clip, but a certain amount separately!

              The Shulgof system contained 15 rounds, there were applied systems for 28 and 30 rounds, but they did not pass the severity of military service. And you can’t hit with such a butt! I will have to write separately about all these APPLIED MIRACLES. Remember - especially for you, such an article will be called "Applied Miracles".
              1. 0
                18 October 2022 15: 40
                Hello. I was rushing to the search, and then looked at the date of publication of the comment. laughing
                As for the butt, it is actually a very interesting topic, since there are also more popular Bullpup systems, i.e. with a rudimentary stock for a very long time, but for some reason that is not clear to me, they are not very common. Although more common than the butt store.

                PS> I've been thinking, but there is one type of weapon in which the butt-shop would make sense. Hunting pump-action shotguns with interchangeable tubular magazine. In the butt, you can just fit the tube for 3-4 shots. (3 12/70, or 4-5 12/32). Or you can extend the magazine to the end of the butt, loading from the butt at the bottom + spring at the back. Feeding the cartridge into the barrel is unchanged - the spring will still push the cartridge onto the feeder plate. what Do not pay attention, this is me, I write down my thoughts so as not to forget .. it remains not to forget that I wrote them down here. laughing

                PPS> I forgot ASh12 and exhaust! but, damn it, I have never heard that it would be used at least somewhere.
                1. 0
                  18 October 2022 19: 20
                  I will try to cover all this ... But do not rely on much. There is a lot of information at the same time... and a little!
                  1. 0
                    19 October 2022 09: 23
                    Thanks, we're waiting!

                    The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
    2. +7
      17 October 2022 07: 03
      You know... and it was at that time... Russian weapons? Baranov's rifle is licked from Albini-Brandlin, Carle, Krnka - not Russians. By the way, there was material about them: "And Gillet, and Terry, and Carla ...
      January 7, 2021 "Berdan-1 (half American), Berdan-2 is the same thing. Smith and Wesson again, Nagant. And there was a whole series of articles about the Mosin rifle ... about her bayonet alone - 4. Maxim? He is not our ... Madsen ... That is, what was ours in the early years, in the same 20s? TK and Degtyarev. There will be about them. In any case, I know where to get TK ... And Degtyarev. But will they let me, here's a question...
      1. +1
        17 October 2022 21: 36
        Degtyarev will be in the form of a recreation center or DS-39?
        Rather, it will be the legendary DP-27 ...
        feel feel feel
        1. 0
          18 October 2022 05: 57
          Quote: hohol95
          legendary DP-27

          Namely he!
  2. +7
    17 October 2022 06: 11
    Good morning friends!

    Thanks to Vyacheslav for a very interesting article, I saw something for the first time. good

    I will add only the John Browning rifles that did not go into the series during his collaboration with Winchester Repeating Arms.
    The first design, created and patented by John Browning together with his brother Matthew, dates back to 1891.



    The second model, also not included in the series.


    1. +5
      17 October 2022 07: 07
      A very good addition. Thank you! But these are more experimental rather than serial samples. You also gave an excellent addition with competitive rifles ... That would be in that topic, and call it: "Unknown experienced American women" ...
      1. +4
        17 October 2022 07: 15
        This would be in that topic, and called: "Unknown experienced American women" ...


        So take it, there is probably an undigged field. smile
        1. +7
          17 October 2022 08: 41
          Quote: Sea Cat
          So take it, there is probably an undigged field.

          Yes, I agree. But there is a "but": I was invited to participate in the filming of a documentary for the Zvezda channel. Three stories. It's time and a lot of time. Then I myself offer them the series "Tales about weapons". If they accept it, it's even more work. And - finally, the best part, right after the release of the next book "Tanks", I was finally able to persuade the publishers to release the book "Knights and Castles" based on materials from the archives and libraries of Europe. Then the same thing - Asia ... Then ... there will be later! All this requires a lot of work and effort. Therefore, it will be quite difficult for me to spend all this on complex search materials. Although... the devil knows.
          1. +3
            17 October 2022 08: 52
            Although... the devil knows.


            Well, let's hope. Other than that, I sincerely wish you good luck! drinks
  3. +1
    17 October 2022 07: 00
    Nice weapon for westerns. Interestingly, did she require careful care or did she always shoot?
    For its time it was a revolution.
    1. +4
      17 October 2022 07: 10
      Interestingly, did she require careful care or did she always shoot?


      Any mechanism requires careful and regular maintenance if its owner wants reliable and trouble-free operation from it.
      1. +5
        17 October 2022 08: 44
        I read in an article by some American that he really did not like that the M-16 and M-4 should be cleaned every time after firing and lubricated regularly. "I lubricate my hard drive once a year, and then not always, and it shoots perfectly!" But in the outback they don’t even do that, there a gun like a hammer or an ax serves, but who lubricates them? Written by an American...
        1. +5
          17 October 2022 08: 50
          Americans are also different, but "the British do not clean their guns with bricks." laughing

          I won’t say anything about the M16, it has a lot of advantages and disadvantages, just like in our AK, so much has already been said about this.
          1. +2
            17 October 2022 21: 43
            It's just that the UK has run out of bricks!
            When they adopted the SA80 bullpup!
            1. +1
              18 October 2022 14: 49
              It's just that the UK has run out of bricks!
              When they adopted the SA80 bullpup!

              Are you kidding me? And for the British army, SA80 is a national tragedy. laughing


              on the flame arrester, a home-made "dust cover" on the rifle itself - the realities of Kuwait in 2003
              1. +1
                18 October 2022 17: 18
                And who then rejoiced at the adoption of this "sex phone" into service?
                The French had their own bullpup "Cleron", the British "built" the SA-80 for themselves!
                They themselves created, tested, accepted into the army. Let them not cry!
                They and the Belgian FN FAL (L1) could not fire automatically! Only self-loading shooting, like the SKS-45!
                1. +3
                  18 October 2022 17: 24
                  The Brits are a very distinctive nation, which they are proud of. laughing
                  1. +1
                    18 October 2022 17: 27
                    So let them "eat" their originality themselves, but we are "not offered"!
                    Like the Japanese, and others "not allowing to pick one's nose"!
                    1. +1
                      18 October 2022 17: 37
                      Well, happy sailing "great" Britain. laughing

        2. 0
          14 November 2022 16: 57
          Any firearm needs to be cleaned and lubricated after even 1 shot.
    2. +2
      17 October 2022 21: 38
      If stored in a barrel of engine oil - it will always shoot!
      Maybe... hi
      1. +2
        18 October 2022 11: 18
        Quote: hohol95
        If stored in a barrel of engine oil - it will always shoot!
        Maybe... hi

        Not a fact.
  4. +8
    17 October 2022 07: 55
    Well .... a very interesting and necessary (!) topic! And then we kind of had a template in our minds: there is a lever from below, which means "winchester" ... at worst, Henry! Somehow, while reading "about weapons" from the time of the Civil War in the United States (and "a little" later ...), I also drew attention to a considerable number of samples of riflemen with a lever from below like a Henry bracket or similar; but not "winchesters"! Yes, and in previous articles by the respected V. Shpakovsky, similar types of weapons appeared on the pages of VO! But somehow there was, perhaps, no article in which all this would be summarized! And here's an article!
    PS By the way, what is the very famous Spencer not mentioned? what
    1. +5
      17 October 2022 08: 36
      Hello Volodya! smile

      It would be better to stick Sharps in 1863 here.



      And a couple more "stubs" laughing


      But this "object" is an amateur with an absolute lack of taste. wassat
    2. +5
      17 October 2022 08: 46
      Did not appear because the store is in the butt. This is another branch of rifles with a lever! About these rifles will be separately.
  5. 0
    17 October 2022 08: 42
    As always, great!
    It is possible that the sheriff (on the left) fires just such a shotgun.

    right then)
    Rifle from Morris & Brown Conical Repiting Rife.

    I wonder what the designer of this miracle smoked? wassat
  6. +4
    17 October 2022 09: 51
    And we’ll start by remembering that the shutter control mechanism using a lever located under the bolt box appeared for the first time not on Winchester rifles, and not even on a Henry rifle (which we also talked about in great detail), and not on a pistol " Volcanic", but on the Jennings rifle, which from 1849 to 1852 created and sold a primer magazine rifle (with an underbarrel magazine) of lever action.

    There is no unequivocal answer to the question of the first sample with a lever shutter. But this is definitely not a Smith-Jennings rifle, as it is the result of Smith and Jennings' improvement of Walter Hunt's Hunt Volition rifle.
    1. +2
      17 October 2022 11: 30
      Quote from Nephilim
      And we’ll start by remembering that the shutter control mechanism using a lever located under the bolt box appeared for the first time not on Winchester rifles, and not even on a Henry rifle (which we also talked about in great detail), and not on a pistol " Volcanic", but on the Jennings rifle, which from 1849 to 1852 created and sold a primer magazine rifle (with an underbarrel magazine) of lever action.

      There is no unequivocal answer to the question of the first sample with a lever shutter. But this is definitely not a Smith-Jennings rifle, as it is the result of Smith and Jennings' improvement of Walter Hunt's Hunt Volition rifle.

      This is what you have noticed. But for some reason, it was not on the list that I took in the American Society of Levellers. And there was no photo.
      1. +5
        17 October 2022 11: 50
        But for some reason, it was not on the list that I took in the American Society of Levellers. And there was no photo.

        The "lovers" of this society do not even know about the Fogarty rifle.
        1. +2
          17 October 2022 12: 45
          The fact that this society is American and that it is "lovers of leverguns" does not at all guarantee the receipt of complete and exhaustive information from them. In the United States, there are a lot of such societies, but the vast majority are not engaged in research into the history of weapons. But American thematic magazines are a completely different matter. With regard to the topic of the article, Guns of the Old West is out of competition.
          1. +5
            17 October 2022 14: 48
            Yes, the magazine is interesting and I use it sometimes. But it has 143 thematic pages on the Internet only on rifles and each has more than a dozen articles. And so I subscribed to the newsletter of Henry Imperato and someone else ... and there, in my opinion, there is enough information.
            1. +2
              17 October 2022 15: 44
              There is enough information in my opinion.

              It all depends on the depth of the search and the issue at hand. If necessary, suppose, information about the Lyman diopter sights, which were equipped with the same Marlin of the first issues, about which the article is, then you can’t get by with magazines.
        2. +4
          17 October 2022 14: 43
          Yes, they did not have it on the list! But here you have to sacrifice something. Or a lot of available photos in one place and there are no 1-2, or spend a lot of time looking for who knows what.
  7. +3
    17 October 2022 11: 48
    The company was founded in 1883 Mr. William Henry Baker and initially produced double-barreled shotguns. But then she also began to produce "winchesters", but unsuccessfully, and all her assets in 2005 year she had to sell.

    The agony dragged on
    1. +2
      17 October 2022 14: 49
      The life cycle of any product is limited.
  8. +1
    17 October 2022 15: 03
    The photo in the header is Old Surehand and not Old Shaterhand.
  9. 0
    17 October 2022 17: 02
    It would be interesting to know why, in the presence of tubular magazines for 12-15 rounds in the specimens under consideration, clips for five rounds (Mosin rifle, Mauser 98 carbine) became massive in the future.
    In general, compare performance characteristics, reliability, cost, for example, Winchesters of models of the 98th and XNUMXth centuries and a Mosin rifle, a Mauser XNUMX carbine.
    I can independently assume that all these hard drives are much more expensive and less reliable than rifles and carbines for five rounds.
    1. +1
      17 October 2022 17: 21
      Not! Just army ... rednecks. A lot of cartridges, and the soldiers are fools from the plow. They start firing and wasting ammo. Even on 5-shot rifles, limiters were set for firing at one cartridge!
      1. 0
        17 October 2022 18: 06
        This approach was, incl. and in the Russian army before the First World War. Only the same Americans in World War II fought for some reason not at all with multiply charged
        wonderful Winchesters, but with repeating rifles for several rounds (M1 Garand, Springfield ...)
    2. +1
      17 October 2022 17: 30
      Do not confuse army and hunting weapons, and these are weapons of different years of birth.
      1. 0
        17 October 2022 18: 00
        Let me disagree with you. The Winchester has many models and fits well with the years of production of classic carbines and rifles.
        It is also divided into hunting and combat weapons. Do you consider the Winchester an exceptional hunting weapon? But they fought with him pretty much, even the army used it. Or maybe you consider the Mosin rifle an exceptional military weapon? So the shortened Mosin rifle, also known as a carbine, is a well-deserved weapon for big game hunters. So, I think that it is quite possible to compare these samples.
        1. +1
          17 October 2022 18: 09
          So, I think that it is quite possible to compare these samples

          You can literally compare everything. There are lovers of this process. They only do what they compare, sculpt a humpbacked man against the wall. You need to contact them, they will compare everything you ask.
          1. 0
            17 October 2022 18: 25
            Don't get excited. I'm wondering why, instead of such a wonderful repeating weapon with a convenient tubular magazine, the army, including the American army during World War II, chose five-shot rifles with a clip magazine. Or all these hard drives are not so good for mass use in frontline conditions.
            1. +5
              17 October 2022 18: 40
              "All these hard drives", like all other rifles with an underbarrel magazine and a lever bolt, are really poorly adapted for "military needs". It takes a long time to equip an underbarrel magazine, in addition, cartridges with a pointed bullet cannot be used in it - you can prick the primer of a "forward" cartridge. When ammo is used up, the balance of the weapon changes. Therefore, the "military" M1895/1915 hard drive for the Russian army had a middle magazine for five rounds. In addition, the lever action is inconvenient when shooting prone, the rifle must be turned to the side every time. And one more thing - a lever bolt for a powerful military cartridge is heavier than a longitudinally sliding one, more difficult to manufacture and requires more metal. In conditions of mass armies, this is important.
              1. +1
                17 October 2022 19: 01
                Thanks for the detailed answer. As elsewhere, its advantages and disadvantages.
                1. +4
                  17 October 2022 19: 28
                  Good evening! hi

                  A colleague explained everything to you in detail and he is absolutely right. I will only add that for the army, under the army cartridge, Winchester also produced rifles with a middle magazine for five rounds.
                  Russian "Winchester". Rifles Browning-Winchester M1895/1915.

                  Under the German patron
                  1. +2
                    17 October 2022 19: 32
                    Good evening! And thank you. It's nice to get an answer on the merits from knowledgeable people.
                    1. +2
                      17 October 2022 21: 49
                      "Winchester" for the Russian Tsar
                      Warspot.ru
                      Video shooting from the "Russian Winchester".
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    17 October 2022 21: 30
    And with a normal rifle cartridge, the underbarrel magazine holds much less.