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Operation "Hour of the Bull". Get out of capitalism

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Operation "Hour of the Bull". Get out of capitalism

First, I will briefly repeat what I said at VO.


foreword


1. Following the methodology of Anthony Sutton, an American researcher of the hidden mechanisms of world power, I proceed from the fact that the initiator and "motor" of events in Ukraine is not the United States as a whole as a country, but the most powerful shadow structure, which Sutton called The Order (Of course, he did not mean Masons). Used algorithm: create an international conflict, secretly help all its participants, thereby ensuring the victory of the main "player", who did not take a visible part in the conflict. The Order is located in the United States, but uses this country only as its instrument.

[According to Sutton, not only the Order "works" in the world, but also Group. However, the scale here seems to be smaller: mostly Europe. The group is "operating from" the UK.]

2. The Order made a strategic decision: by forcing Russia to start hostilities - to force it to continue them and, by delaying the operation as much as possible with the help of military supplies to Ukraine - to bleed our country.

3. From here - our priority task on external contour: Russia urgently needs to be “pulled out” from the logic imposed on it in Ukraine (as Stalin once “pulled out” our country from the scenario developed by the Order, which was deadly for her - “preparation for a world revolution”). This can be done only by expanding work on the Continental Union project.

4. And on domestic Outline, our primary task is determined by the fact that the Golgotha ​​plan continues to be implemented in Russia. Let me remind you:

first stage - the collapse of the existing political and economic structure of the country;

second stage – forced introduction of the “wild type” capitalist system;

third stage - the directed deepening of chaos and confusion as a means of mobilizing the masses under the slogans of social justice;

fourth stage - the beginning of fundamental reforms in the interests of the majority of the population.

As I emphasized in the comments, today Russia has come to the point of completing the third stage of the plan, and it is time to move on to its 4th stage. This is an extremely dangerous moment: in case of failure, the processes unleashed by "Golgotha" in society are capable of "demolishing" our country.

Now - to the topic stated in the title of the article.

How can we get out of capitalism today?


As I just showed, it essentially boils down to another question: how do you get to the 4th stage of the Calvary plan? In other words: how do we get out of capitalism today?

I will offer here only a general outline of the answer: the development of a comprehensive program is possible only through collective efforts. And of course - in close contact with representatives of the curators.

So. “Exit from capitalism”, as from a system of social structure, which has commodity-money relations and private ownership of the means of production in its foundation, is, in principle, possible according to two scenarios.

Force scenario. It was used by the Bolsheviks in Russia after October 1917 through the procedure of “expropriation of expropriators”: the authorities took away their property from the domestic bourgeoisie and carried out nationalization. This provoked first numerous political conspiracies against the authorities, and then the Civil War.

At the same time, the property of the foreign bourgeoisie was also nationalized (which is ideologically justified - after all, it is also a bourgeoisie). However, foreign capital was very powerfully represented in Russia. For example, joint-stock companies with capital of foreign origin accounted for over 70% of all coal production in the Donbass; non-ferrous metallurgy in our country was subordinated to foreign, mainly English, capital; he also controlled more than half of all copper mined in Russia and more than 70% of gold and platinum developments. German capital owned about 90% of the electrical enterprises operating in Russia. Is it any wonder that the nationalization of foreign property by the Bolsheviks became one of the main reasons for the military intervention of 14 states in 1918-1922?

The result was extremely bloody. Although the main types of small arms weaponsused in combat was a three-line Mosin rifle, a Nagant revolver and a Mauser pistol, the main machine gun was Maxim, and the most important artillery piece was a 3-inch field gun, casualties (killed and died from wounds) amounted to both sides about 2,5 million people.

And these are the figures accepted by the majority of experts, showing the size of all the losses of the Russian population in the period from 1917 to 1922:

1. Died as a result of terror (of all types) ~ 2 people.

2. Died from epidemics or famine ~ 6 people.

3. ~2 people emigrated.

Today, in order to avoid such (and even greater, given the power of modern weapons systems) victims, a different, non-power scenario of "exit from capitalism".

His "semantic knot": creation of an alternative economic system according to the “parallel center” scheme (first in Russia).

But all this work will be possible only if, at the first stage, the curators provide us with:

1. Fuel-free energy technologies that make it possible to obtain an unlimited amount of energy from the physical vacuum and on the basis of "cold nuclear fusion", as well as the corresponding (very compact!) equipment. This will gradually create an alternative energy industry that does not rely on the extraction of energy resources, without hydroelectric power plants, thermal power plants and nuclear power plants, and does not require high-voltage power lines. On the basis of these technologies, a truly autonomous electric transport is also being created.

2. "Medical capsules" (work like an MRI - magnetic resonance imaging). They perform resonant scanning of the human body - the skin, muscle tissue, all organs, etc. are scanned. At the same time, everything is recorded - down to the micron level of blood, and DNA is actually identified. Any disease and any genetic deviation is caught. And then the treatment begins. For example, if stage 4 leukemia is fixed, full recovery will occur in about 2,5 minutes, there are no side effects.

Technology of "information transfer". All the properties of an expensive drug are “transferred” to any cheap carrier (up to distilled water) that is used by the patient instead of the expensive original. The effect of the application is the same.

This is how an alternative healthcare system is gradually being created, not associated with transnational pharmaceutical companies.

Energy currency


In the subsystem of Russian society formed in this way, an alternative currency is introduced - the so-called energy currency, tied to the kilowatt-hour of energy consumption.

I emphasize that one of the authors and the "motor" of the implementation of the energy currency concept in practice was our outstanding scientist Pobisk Kuznetsov (1924-2000). Here is a short excerpt from his article, which allows you to understand the essence of the issue.

“Even in the last century, the outstanding Russian scientist S. Podolinsky showed that the process of material production is the accumulation of energy expended as a result of labor in the form of a final product. This direction looks the most promising for solving the problem of cost measurement...
The use of energy units will help form a fundamentally new monetary and financial system, directly related to material production, and therefore the most rational. The implementation of such a system... will make it possible to create an alternative to the current "rules of the game" that have been formed within the framework of the capitalist economy. That is, on its basis it is possible to create a new international economic order.”

Thus, gradually the entire gigantic infrastructure associated with the extraction of resources in Russia for the production of electricity, the actual production of electricity, the production / import of medicines - first ceases to be profitable for its owners, and then becomes unprofitable. Its owners will be forced to get rid of it, losing their "levers of influence" on power. The alternative economic system in Russia will develop and grow stronger. At the same time, the dependence of our financial system on the US Federal Reserve will also gradually disappear.

At the same time, the curators, through their capabilities, ensure the security of this alternative system.

This scheme (of course, adapted to specific conditions) will be offered to the countries - potential members of the Continental Union.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 19 October 2022 05: 12
    +30
    No special novelty is foreseen when leaving capitalism. The force path is the only solution. No one is going to give anything voluntarily. Even in conditions when overseas "once partners" are engaged in robbery.
    What needs to be stated clearly and fundamentally.
    Raw materials of the country, energy, railway transport, etc. cannot be in private hands. Don't rely on Elon Musk. At the expense of Russia, the Mordashovs, Abramovichs, Potanins and the like prosper. Personal selfish interests and the complete absence (ignorance) of processes on the part of the state. Even the personal income tax introduced for them is a mockery, a spit in the face of society.
    Such a way out is possible with the support of the people, law enforcement agencies and the army ... and the political will of the leadership. Our people are a source of power only on paper.
    So many laws have been adopted that in case of some kind of nationalization, all of us will pay indemnities to the oligarchs.
    1. Civil
      Civil 19 October 2022 07: 31
      +5
      1. Nobody will give anything for nothing.
      2. I remind you that 90% of deputies at all levels are businessmen or (and) their lobbies.
      3. So, such articles are anti-constitutional.
      4. And then what?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 19 October 2022 09: 10
        +3
        Died as a result of terror (of all types) .....

        More about "terror of all types"
        Who, where, when whom terrorized. What kind of "types" of terror are these?
        on the part of the curators, at the first stage they will be transferred to us ....

        ?? and about these curators, too. I would like to know more in detail
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 19 October 2022 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        So, such articles are unconstitutional.

        The constitution is an unspoken agreement between society and the government to set the basic rules of conduct for one and the other. If these rules do not suit one of the parties, then they can be revised.

        Can the bloody scenario be avoided? Yes, you can. This happened in 1924, when the Bolsheviks, led by Stalin, seized control of the country from the Trotskyists, and after 1952, when the Trotskyists again seized control. Unfortunately, the consequences of such "quiet revolutions" were not completely without casualties ...

        Today, the language of international communication in:
        - UN;
        - CIS;
        - CSTO;
        - BRICS;
        - Shanghai Cooperation Organization;
        - Central Asian cooperation;
        - Eurasian Economic Community,
        is Russian language including Russia's place in the new world has already been determined.
        1. kpd
          kpd 21 October 2022 16: 18
          0
          The Constitution is just the same "public" contract, and "tacit" is life according to concepts.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 October 2022 08: 45
            -1
            The people did not take part in the drafting of this treaty.

      3. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 19 October 2022 09: 47
        0
        Quote: Civil

        3. So, such articles are anti-constitutional.

        According to paragraph 3, the logical message is incorrect.
        The territory of the country and its subsoil are the basis of the life of the people - the Constitution recognizes this. And the continuation of this article that natural resources can be in private ownership is anti-people and violates the human right to life. The transfer of the right to the country's resources to individual individuals violates the right to life of the vast majority of the country's citizens. Therefore, this article of the Constitution should be stated in a different edition, excluding the transfer of the right to individuals, especially not citizens of the country, to resources that ensure the livelihoods of all citizens of the country. And then the article of the Constitution on the right of the people to the resources that ensure vital activity should be reflected in the laws of the Russian Federation. The Constitution of the Russian Federation should not violate the basic human right - the right to life.
      4. Romanovski
        Romanovski 19 October 2022 11: 04
        -4
        "....3.So, such articles are unconstitutional in nature...".
        -------
        You are deeply mistaken ... It is the wild, unbridled and unregulated capitalism, coupled with corruption of the Brezhnev-Gorbachev type (under the late USSR ...) - this is the MAIN CAUSE OF ALL THE TROUBLES IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ... Capitalism in Russia should be almost the same, as in a SUCCESSFUL and PROSPEROUS CHINA, i.e. - under full and strict regulation by the state ... Otherwise - the mathematics of the distribution of benefits under free capitalism and liberalism - works AGAINST THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE ....
        1. Civil
          Civil 19 October 2022 12: 26
          0
          Quote from Romanovski
          "....3.So, such articles are unconstitutional in nature...".
          -------
          You are deeply mistaken ... It is the wild, unbridled and unregulated capitalism, coupled with corruption of the Brezhnev-Gorbachev type (under the late USSR ...) - this is the MAIN CAUSE OF ALL THE TROUBLES IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ...

          This is the constitution. Everyone is happy.
        2. -Paul-
          -Paul- 20 October 2022 08: 57
          0
          This is called state capitalism as a form of government.
      5. Taimen
        Taimen 19 October 2022 11: 53
        +3
        The author, science fiction, you are ours. If the Glavliberal said that there would be no way back and would not allow the nationalization of what was seized by the newly-minted bourgeoisie, then how are you going to leave wild capitalism? The bourgeoisie and the people are two different parts on both sides of the barricade. A villain and a quivering doe cannot exist together.
      6. Dimy4
        Dimy4 23 October 2022 09: 45
        0
        I remind you that 90% of deputies at all levels are businessmen or (and) their lobbies

        From myself I will also add former (and maybe real) bandits.
    2. TANKISTONE
      TANKISTONE 20 October 2022 17: 33
      0
      Andrey Fursov chewed everything up here: the author wants to help the world behind the scenes???
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 October 2022 05: 12
    +5
    proposed to the countries - potential members of the Continental Union.
    But who will create and lead this Union?
  3. vladimmiroff
    vladimmiroff 19 October 2022 05: 13
    0
    Interestingly, only the author did not indicate the time frame. The high-order technologies indicated in the text are not even half a century, but more in time .... Not with us in short ......
    1. -Paul-
      -Paul- 20 October 2022 09: 01
      0
      The high-order technologies indicated in the text are not even half a century, but more in time ...

      This is actually from fantasy literature.
  4. evgen1221
    evgen1221 19 October 2022 05: 13
    +4
    While rivalry is developed in a person for the purpose of personal superiority over another person, the thirst for profit and capitalism are ineradicable, and since human psychology changes very slowly, the task of replacing profit with creation for the common good becomes even more difficult. It doesn’t grow well with a hedgehog. In theory, it is possible, but this is already a wild dictate (komboja).
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 October 2022 06: 59
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      As long as a person develops rivalry for the purpose of personal superiority over another person, greed and capitalism are ineradicable.

      I have explained this a hundred times. Scientific materialism is biology, not Marxism. People, as a biological species, have inherent algorithms of behavior and nothing can be done about it. That in antiquity, that in the Middle Ages, that now - the structure of society is basically the same.
    2. Illanatol
      Illanatol 19 October 2022 08: 56
      0
      And where was this "capitalism" 10 thousand years ago? And 30 thousand years ago?
      For most of history, humanity existed without knowing either private property or competition ... even in our time, some wild tribes in the Amazonian selva have no idea about such a thing.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 19 October 2022 09: 25
        -2
        Quote: Illanatol
        even in our time, some wild tribes in the Amazonian selva have no idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbsuch


        - No, this shameful distinction did not always exist, - Spartak said fervently. - It began from the day when the earth ceased to bear fruit for its inhabitants; from the day when the farmer ceased to cultivate the land on which he was born and which was supposed to feed him; from the day when justice, who lived among the country people, left the fields, this is her last refuge, and retired to Olympus; it was then that immoderate appetites, uncontrollable passions, luxury, revelry, strife, wars, extermination were born ...
        “You want to return people to their original state. And you hope you can achieve it?
        Spartacus was silent; he was shocked, he was horrified by this terrible in its simplicity question, which seemed to reveal to him the impracticability of his noble dreams. Patricius continued:
        “If even the all-powerful Roman Senate had joined you, then even then the cause you planned would not have triumphed. Only gods can change human nature.
        (Raffaello Giovagnoli "Spartacus")

        Are you ready to live as a member of these wild tribes?
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol 21 October 2022 13: 55
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Are you ready to live as a member of these wild tribes?


          Link to a work of art - how convincing. laughing
          If this is inherent in human nature, why has humanity lived for tens of thousands of years without class stratification? And why do we not observe "natural" capitalism in other species of living organisms? Or are bees, termites and ants using money?

          And a model that operates on non-capitalist (rather even anti-capitalist) principles is not only suitable for savages.
          What model of society is created by people, a group of people, when they find themselves in a critical situation, for example, in isolation from the rest?
          Is it capitalist? Based on competition, on the principle of "every man for himself?"
          Or based on solidarity, according to the principle "one for all, all for one?"
          If you yourself find yourself in such a group ... what would you prefer? To be surrounded by loyal comrades who are always ready to help, or prudent selfish businessmen who will not give a damn about you and who will do nothing "for so"?
          In what scenario - the chances of survival are greater?
          Well, I will definitely choose the first option, let it smell of "savagery", and you?

          People lived like this for thousands of years, not because they chose this way of life on their own whim, but because it was simply impossible to survive otherwise!
          That's when humanity as a whole will have a really hard time - it will simply be forced to abandon the current dominant model, in which "man is a wolf to man." Otherwise, mankind will be doomed either to extinction or to the most severe global dictatorship (using the advanced achievements of biotechnology and nanotechnology), again with subsequent extinction.
          It is no coincidence that neither Western futurologists nor Western science fiction writers have been able to create an attractive image of the future on a non-communist basis.
          Either technocratic feudalism, or dictatorship, or post-apocalyptic.
          Such a squiggle.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 21 October 2022 15: 41
            0
            Quote: Illanatol
            Link to a work of art - how convincing.

            Artistic, but very accurate.
            Quote: Illanatol
            People lived like this for thousands of years, not because they chose this way of life on their own whim, but because it was simply impossible to survive otherwise!
            Agreed, but this brings us back to the question from the book
            Quote: Dart2027
            “You want to return people to their original state.
            You can talk for a long time about the wrongness of society, but when there is no need to fight for survival, then people always create the same system. That is life.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 21 October 2022 17: 23
              0
              Agreed, but this brings us back to the question from the book

              Here are just a speech in an excerpt from a book about the impossibility of the existence of a world without SLAVES. As it turned out, a world without slaves is possible. And for this it turned out to be unnecessary to return people to their primitive state.

              PS By the way, in the same place Spartak, in principle, explains why the world without slaves does not fit into the worldview of the ambassador.
              You came here under a false name, under the guise, under deceit, to try to seduce me, YOU JUDGED BY YOURSELF, and therefore he considered me capable of those meannesses that you are capable of, O vilest of people!
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 21 October 2022 19: 43
                0
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Here are just a speech in an excerpt from a book about the impossibility of the existence of a world without SLAVES. As it turned out, a world without slaves is possible.

                The world that with slaves, that without slaves is built according to one scheme - 1% owns 99% of everything. So it was then, so it was in the Middle Ages, so now, and even in the USSR there were those who were much more equal than others. And the rejection of slavery was caused not by some moral, but by completely selfish motives - without them it turned out to be easier to earn money, so slavery was abolished not by the beautiful-hearted abolitionists, but by quite cannibalistic capitalists.
      2. Sergey250455
        Sergey250455 19 October 2022 09: 40
        +1
        Key words "wild tribes". When several tribes unite, a state is formed. There will be a leader with his elite. And further, depending on the development of feudalism, capitalism
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol 21 October 2022 14: 19
          0
          Oh really? In fact, even K. Marx never insisted on the universality of his theory of "change of formations."
          Feudalism - did not appear as a natural product of the development of a slave-owning society, this is not the next stage, but an alternative way of life imposed by the swords of the "barbarians".
          For some reason, capitalism appeared on its own in a very narrow group of European countries. It was imposed on the rest (from the outside or from the inside).
          Name at least one Asian country that has grown to capitalism on its own. Despite the fact that in the 15-16 centuries India and China as a whole overtook most European countries in development.
          In short, there is simply no universal main path for the development of mankind.
          Nothing lasts forever under the moon, as you know. The state, in the current view, too.
          "The less the king in the head, the more the need for a king on the throne."
          A truly thinking person, independent in judgments and actions, does not need a king with an elite and "stimuli" (a stick for donkeys, initially).
          Society as a free association of real people, not stupid inhabitants... this will not be soon, but it will be. Otherwise, our race will come complete kirdyk, we will destroy ourselves.
          There is no third.
      3. filibuster
        filibuster 21 October 2022 09: 47
        -1
        And where was this "capitalism" 10 thousand years ago? And 30 thousand years ago?


        There it was, in even wilder forms, with slavery, etc. Feudalism, capitalism, perfectly fit our “essence”, and the essence is competition, rivalry, survival. Even in the USSR, everything quickly came down to this, blat, inequality, etc.
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol 21 October 2022 14: 04
          0
          Quote from: filibuster
          There he was, in even wilder forms, with slavery, etc.


          What kind of slavery 30 thousand years ago? Especially feudalism.
          Have you heard about such an ancient city as Chatal-Guyuk?
          Do you know what most of all surprised Western archaeologists during the excavations of this city?
          The fact that all the houses in this city were approximately the same ... the size, the layout was approximately the same. There was no usual division into huts and palaces... consequently, there was no property and class stratification among the townspeople.

          This point is not universal. You don't have to measure everyone with your yardstick.
          Just for survival - other principles are preferable. Find yourself in the service, in the war zone - you will quickly understand this. If you make it clear to your comrades in the service that you don’t consider them comrades, you don’t give a damn about them, you only think about your own skin ... your chances of surviving will decrease dramatically.
          1. filibuster
            filibuster 21 October 2022 18: 25
            -1
            Find yourself in the service, in the war zone - you will quickly understand this.


            You, apparently without realizing it, gave the most competitive and “unfair” example, this is the army, the difference in life and provision between a general and a private is simply colossal, competition in the army is one of the most severe because resources are limited, the number of “generals” in any army is not comparatively less than those who want to become them.
            1. Illanatol
              Illanatol 22 October 2022 09: 17
              0
              What is unfair here?
              Are you a descendant of Sharikov?
              You can’t think of a simple thought: egalitarianism is just a form of inequality.
              The general should receive more, because more depends on him, he has more responsibility.
              For work equal in quantity and quality - equal remuneration. For EQUAL!
              And here - not equal.
              So everything is fair.
              Iosif Vissarionych also thought so, and I agree with him.
              The desire to become a general is not enough. One must have the talent and ability to have, as well as the character and ability to take responsibility, not be afraid to make important decisions. Why did Stalin respect both Zhukov and Rokossovsky? For the fact that they were not afraid to defend their point of view even before the Secretary General, and did not agree with him, like others. So they had their high salaries in fairness.

              It is not the inequality that revolts people. I am outraged by the unfair inequality, when the worthy are deprived of the opportunity to prove themselves, and those who do not belong there are “above”.
              Personally, I consider it unfair that Tupolev, Kalashnikov, Kurchatov had less than they deserved, the thought of "taking away and dividing" the material goods that they nevertheless got would never occur to me.
              1. filibuster
                filibuster 23 October 2022 15: 17
                -1
                I don’t resent inequality at all, and vice versa, I think that people, in principle, are not equal from birth, someone was born in the family of a general, someone in the family of a starley. And secondly, competition for resources (any type, position, standard of living, money, ambition, the opposite sex) is our main motivator for development and progress, there were societies that tried to live without this competition and build all sorts of utopias that you are talking about, but they were subsequently slaughtered by more powerful societies, a classic example of the Moriori who were exterminated after the invasion of the "cannibals" of the Maori.
                1. Illanatol
                  Illanatol 24 October 2022 08: 52
                  0
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  I don’t resent inequality at all, and vice versa, I think that people, in principle, are not equal from birth, someone was born in the family of a general, someone in the family of a starley. And the second competition for resources (any type, position, standard of living, money, ambition, the opposite sex) is our main motivator for development and progress,


                  Do not confuse the concepts of "equality" and "sameness" - they are not synonymous.
                  Yes, the abilities and talents of people are different, but they fluctuate within narrow limits, within the same order, even less. Accordingly, the material reward should fluctuate no more, but alas ... the difference can be hundreds and even thousands of times.
                  I believe that society and the state, for their own benefit, should equalize the starting conditions so that it is not so important whether a child is born in the family of a general or a lieutenant. Who he becomes - should depend solely on himself. If only children of generals become generals, the army will inevitably degrade.
                  Social progress is a coming thing, it will end sooner or later. After all, he implies that humanity still does not live for real, but only learns to live. By the way, some insects (bees, ants) have long reached the limit of development of their societies and have existed for millions of years without changing anything.
                  Competition for resources - only when there is a shortage of these resources. When we can actually explore other worlds, any resources will be in abundance. By that time, the motives will be completely different, satisfaction, in fact, of animal needs (food, housing, sex) will cease to be the main meaning of existence and a person will become a truly intelligent being (while we are only half-humans, half-monkeys, no more).
                  1. filibuster
                    filibuster 24 October 2022 20: 13
                    -1
                    Yes, the abilities and talents of people are different, but they fluctuate within narrow limits, within the same order, even less.


                    Well, how can I say that there was Zhukov and there was my grandfather, who went through the whole war, Zhukov rode on a white horse in Red Square, and grandfather lived in a communal apartment for a long time, and Zhukov had personal apartments, summer cottages, drivers and the difference in material remuneration was actually hundreds of times, maybe even thousands.


                    By the way, some insects (bees, ants) have long reached the limit of development of their societies and have existed for millions of years without changing anything.

                    A dubious comparison, every person is a person, the owner of a simply fantastic thing: intelligence and the ability to self-knowledge, spiritual development, etc. And so I agree that “socialism” will work great if people are at the level of shoulders or ants with super minimal needs “to eat, sleep , give offspring, die”

                    Competition for resources - only when there is a shortage of these resources. When we can actually explore other worlds, any resources will be in abundance.

                    Of course, the competition for resources is only due to their scarcity, if the scarcity of any material resources is resolved, then of course society will be completely different, but this is still very far away.
                    Although there are still such scarce “resources” as power, the desire to possess a woman / man (depending on gender and inclinations), the desire for world recognition and veneration, etc.
  5. oracul
    oracul 19 October 2022 05: 20
    +2
    As you know: the criterion of truth is practice. And practice, taking into account the huge number of people who consciously and not very much (such are the majority) participating in social processes, will undoubtedly be difficult and contradictory, because the existence of everyone and everyone is different. It is one thing to live in megacities, another thing in small towns and villages. Everything will be determined by the availability of resources and the reasonableness of their use. The ideas are beautiful, but life will show.
  6. Amateur
    Amateur 19 October 2022 05: 23
    +9
    Of course you can get out of capitalism. But where to go then? The author of this opus does not seem to know himself.
    ps Campanella in the "City of the Sun" offered not only "communism" for citizens, but also allowed the presence of slaves to do the work.
    1. gsev
      gsev 19 October 2022 05: 53
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      Of course you can get out of capitalism. But where to go then?

      The basis of capitalism is the ability for the owner of the means of production (at the beginning of capitalism, only their creator-inventor could be the owner of new means) to avoid interference in their activities by incompetent assistants, or simply parasitic on his mind and work. Socialism began to rot in the USSR and collapsed precisely when those who did not create anything themselves began to lead the country, but squandered what others had created and squandered it very unproductively. Yefremov does not clearly show how the socialist social system could develop. He himself briefly resolved the issues of preserving the paleontological museum in correspondence with the all-powerful Stalin. He was expelled from paleontology, did not take root in the writers' union and was a handicraft writer in the USSR, occupying a position outside the CPSU and any branches of the writers' union. Such independence could not continue for a long time and in the end in the end, Efremov was charged with either working for alien intelligence, or informing Western intelligence about the main secrets of the USSR by transmitting messages through his published works. It is in this problem of free creativity of local talents from local retrogrades that the reason for all the failures of both Russia and the USSR is hidden, and not in the Freemasons or the cunning plans of the Yuzhezinskys and the Dulles.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 19 October 2022 06: 27
        +7
        and was in the USSR a handicraft writer

        28 books, widely published and super popular? Not bad at all for a "handicraftsman". And the Soviet Union of Writers, apart from envy for I. Efremov, did not feel anything else (as well as for other supertalents).
        1. gsev
          gsev 19 October 2022 09: 26
          -2
          Quote: Amateur
          and was in the USSR a handicraft writer

          28 books, widely published and super popular?

          In modern Russia, a designer often works more efficiently and productively in a small firm, where there is no spacer between him and the owner in the form of several links of middle management. In principle, the Union of Writers was created by Stalin to put pressure on writers in the direction he personally needed. L,N. Tolstoy was not a member of any unions, but apparently he is more than capable of replacing all the members of the Writers' Union of the USSR who were members of the Tula branch of this organization. Yes, and Russian literature looks more fruitful during the absence of the Writers' Union of the USSR or Russia than during the existence of such organizations.
          1. Taimen
            Taimen 19 October 2022 12: 04
            +1
            Then Stalin "pressed" writers. Bulgakov got a job, went to his plays, allowed "Running", "Days of the Turbins", "The White Guard" and other works. Wow, what a villain I.V. Stalin was. Talent is talent. You won’t drink it. And a normal ruler understood and welcomed this.
            1. gsev
              gsev 19 October 2022 23: 08
              -3
              Quote: Taimen
              Then Stalin "pressed" writers. Bulgakov got a job, went to his plays,

              Bulgakov was lucky, Zabolotsky, Mandeltam, Dombrovsky, Kornilov, Zabolotsky, Kharms, Tvardovsky were not so lucky. You can say that Tvardovsky was neither shot nor imprisoned, but his parents, brothers and sisters were all repressed. I think that Stalin and the employees of the authorities who were in charge of the Tvardovsky family experienced sadistic pleasures watching the loyalty of the writer Tvardovsky to the Soviet government while his relatives roamed the places of detention (mainly in the special settlement). Even the permanent head of the Union of Writers, whom Stalin appointed to this post to lead and look after the writers, after the death of his leader, committed suicide, admitting that work in the Writers' Union ruined his talent and distorted his ability to write honestly and talentedly. Or Ovechkin. His essays "District weekdays" became a program for the reorganization of the village for the better. But he ended his life apparently also from the impossibility of realizing himself in Soviet society, although his fate was an order of magnitude better than the disenfranchised collective farmers who worked for 20 years only for sticks for the right not to be sent to a special settlement.
              1. Amateur
                Amateur 20 October 2022 09: 35
                0
                Mandeltham

                I don’t know about Mandeltam, but O.E. Mandelstam received 5 years for first writing and then publicly reading slanderous poems about Stalin. Died of a heart attack while in transit.
                1. gsev
                  gsev 20 October 2022 16: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Amateur
                  that he first wrote, and then publicly read slanderous poems about Stalin

                  A.S. Pushkin also wrote similar things about the monarchy, tried to illegally flee to the West and was in a secret society whose goal was to overthrow the tsar-priest. Put "We live under us in a strange country ..." or "In his history, elegance and simplicity prove to us, without any predilection, the necessity of autocracy and the charm of the whip." Against the background of the extremist A.S. Pushkin Osip Mandeltam is just a mischievous.
                  1. Amateur
                    Amateur 20 October 2022 16: 51
                    0
                    Against the background of the extremist A.S. Pushkin

                    When A.S. Pushkin’s friends called him from Boldin to S-P to participate in the uprising, then, according to legend, a hare crossed the path of his carriage and the superstitious Alexander Sergeevich returned. And if it were not for the hare, then maybe the "sun of Russian poetry" would have ended up in Petropavlovka, or maybe, given his African temperament, in the company of Muravyov-Apostol, Pestel & Co.
                    1. gsev
                      gsev 21 October 2022 01: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Amateur
                      When A.S. Pushkin's friends called him from Boldin

                      Nicholas 1 and his gendarmes were more adequate against the background of Dzerzhinsky, Stalin and their satraps. Not a single well-known name of a writer, poet, engineer executed for petty political disagreements with the monastic image of power before 1917 comes to my mind. Pushkin, clearly against the background of Gumilyov, appeared in more anti-state treason, but was not punished. Nicholas 1 even entered into his position and, in order to save the genius from the nit-picking of petty officials with exorbitant conceit, became his personal censor, not allowing him to print deliberate obscenities. Fadeev was an ideological communist, in his youth he went through the crucible of the civil war. But at the end of his life, he admitted that the Soviet government managed to destroy him as a writer, although he was permanently placed by Stalin at the highest post of the writers' hierarchy. The perniciousness of the system of those times was that it not only killed writers, but also limited their development and creative methods. On the other hand, against the backdrop of Soviet culture, post-perestroika is complete squalor. The feeling that such a director as Ryazanov, without censorship edits, could not create anything that was better than his censored work. Even his anti-Soviet libel "Promised Heaven" as anti-Soviet is terribly mediocre against the background of "Say a word about the poor hussar." There is some kind of fatigue in the Russian people, state and culture. It is difficult for me to judge how much this is due to different political eras or external influences, or to the impoverished position of the intelligentsia in recent decades against the backdrop of an average level of prosperity. Under Stalin and the tsars, intellectuals did not die of hunger and rarely ate quinoa. And then the peasants were dying of hunger, and the swan was happy. Under Yeltsin, the most published Russian writer in the PRC, Prilepin, recalls that for a whole month his family ate only sauerkraut sent by his mother-in-law. You understand that Pushkin would hardly have shot at a military general or prepared regicide, and he did not stand at the head of the Decembrist society and was not privy to its innermost plans. Dostoevsky was sentenced to death and pardoned, and did not experience further problems with the Russian authorities. Saltykov-Shchedrin was sentenced to exile and received a position inaccessible to his loyal colleagues in the service. And now high-ranking officials and businessmen are trying to pick up assistants from the National Bolsheviks and other oppositionists.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 October 2022 07: 57
        +3
        Quote: gsev
        The basis of capitalism is the ability for the owner of the means of production (at the beginning of capitalism, only their creator-inventor could be the owner of new means) to avoid interference in their activities by incompetent assistants, or simply parasitic on his mind and work.

        Great mighty Russian language!

        Let's dwell on the fact that the basis of capitalism is the usual SPECULATION in its various forms.
        Added value exists in any production. The difference is in the way it is implemented. Under socialism, it is used (should be used) to finance industries and sectors of the national economy, where making a profit is either impossible or requires high prices for the final product or service. Under capitalism, it goes into the pocket of the capitalist, who (as, for example, in Russia) may not even know the production that brings profits ... And not even live in the place of this production.
        In this tandem of production of goods and services, banks play the first violin. That is why there cannot be one state-owned bank (central bank) in the country with several hundred commercial banks engaged in pure speculation in the sale of currencies and the issuance of loans. They are the source of continuous inflation, which, according to some Western-trained economists, is inevitable.
        And the way to deal with such hosts is quite simple. For example, you cannot have a profitable production if you do not live in the country, and within the boundaries of your production...
        *****
        The further we go along the path of capitalism, the harder and bloodier the path of return will be.
        Any healthy organism begins to fight parasites when they do not leave hope for its existence.
        1. gsev
          gsev 19 October 2022 09: 30
          0
          Quote: yuriy55
          In this tandem of production of goods and services, banks play the first violin.

          Apparently, the decision of the Bolsheviks to nationalize the banks made a lot of sense. I think that following the results of the NWO, Kadyrov will take over financial lending for the development of the North Caucasus. While this region of Russia is not credited.
          1. -Paul-
            -Paul- 20 October 2022 09: 13
            +1
            It is not credited, it is simply flooded with money, "Absolutely free of charge!" (With)
        2. filibuster
          filibuster 21 October 2022 09: 54
          -1
          Let's dwell on the fact that the basis of capitalism is the usual SPECULATION in its various forms.


          Do you remember the difference in the USSR between the purchase price for the same milk on collective farms and its retail price under Stalin, any capitalist would envy such a level of state speculation.
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 21 October 2022 11: 15
            +1
            Quote from: filibuster
            Do you remember the difference in the USSR between the purchase price for the same milk on collective farms and its retail price under Stalin,

            Physically, I couldn't remember. I will not dwell on this topic, because I have already spoken about the difference in surplus value under capitalism and under socialism ...
            The most severe distortions in Soviet times were in the countryside. The communists did not consider it their duty to delve into the nuances of agriculture, which contributed to its gradual degradation ... We all remember very well all these trips from the city to the village to harvest potatoes, cabbage, cotton, etc.
            One thing is clear, workers in the country were given more preference and there were much more benefits.
            The principle of socialism was that it could not be accepted as a postulate, as a phenomenon that could not be improved. It is today that the supporters of the new socialism propose to change many of the features of this economic formation, without denying the development of private production.
            *****
            Today, when the purchase price of cherries (cherries) is 10 rubles per kg, they are sold in the markets for 180-250 ...
            Wheat at 13 per ton, and flour in stores at 000 rubles per kg and more ...
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 21 October 2022 11: 39
              +1
              Today, when the purchase price of cherries (cherries) is 10 rubles per kg, they are sold in the markets for 180-250 ...
              Wheat at 13 per ton, and flour in stores at 000 rubles per kg and more ...

              So we are building a market economy ... a country of outbids. "We can buy everything" is the slogan of the reformers.
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 21 October 2022 17: 38
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            Do you remember the difference in the USSR between the purchase price for the same milk on collective farms and its retail price under Stalin, any capitalist would envy such a level of state speculation.

            Do you remember that the purchase price was formed taking into account the state's investments in the collective farm? For example, such as servicing by machine and tractor stations.
    2. Il'nur
      Il'nur 19 October 2022 06: 25
      +8
      where to go then

      And what Socialism does not suit, taking into account and correcting the mistakes made earlier. "To each according to his work, to each according to his needs", there will be no consumerism, insane waste of resources, everything is stable, a person is confident in the future. And no slaves are needed, taking into account modern realities, the work will be performed by robots.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 19 October 2022 06: 35
        +2
        "To each according to his work, to each according to his needs"

        The difference between socialism and communism is that the slogan of socialism is: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work[8]", while the slogan of communism is: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
        (N.A. Berdyaev)

        That's why I'm not satisfied that I know the full text of the slogans from Saint-Simon to K. Marx & Co.
        1. Il'nur
          Il'nur 19 October 2022 07: 19
          +1
          I know the full text of the slogans

          Did I cite someone's slogan, why does the slogan I cited do not suit you? Everything seems to be clear - you don’t work, you don’t consume ...
          And the question "where to go" for you means it's no longer worth it, and since you are so politically literate (I know the full text of the slogans from Saint-Simon to K. Marx & Co), then you should not have stood ...
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 19 October 2022 08: 04
          +4
          Quote: Amateur
          That's why I'm not satisfied that I know the full text of the slogans from Saint-Simon to K. Marx & Co.

          If you do not go further than slogans, then this may not suit you. The first experience of building a socialist state was associated with difficulties, mistakes and miscalculations, and ... human vices.
          It was the difference between word and deed that served as the gravedigger of the USSR.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 19 October 2022 17: 13
            +4
            Quote: yuriy55
            It was the difference between word and deed that served as the gravedigger of the USSR.
            The gravedigger of the USSR in many ways was the desire to somehow find the possibility of peaceful coexistence with the West, for which socialism and the USSR were a mortal enemy, an antipode requiring destruction.

            From history, by 1914 it was decided who would be the leader (owner) of capitalism. The Anglo-Saxons, as in the case of Napoleon, again dragged Russia into the union, although literally before that they armed and incited Japan against Russia, which led to the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905. The talent of the "reptilians" is to rake in the heat with the wrong hands, the Anglo-Saxons achieved their goal, all the major empires of Europe collapsed, the British remained. But, Russia did not die thanks to the Bolsheviks, who created a great country.

            Against the USSR, an anti-USSR was created from defeated Germany. It is our great mistake of young socialism to try at first to see in the German workers' National Socialist Party something closer than in England and the USA. Hitler was a product of the Anglo-Saxons, and his mission was to destroy or mortally weaken the Soviet Union. The Anglo-Saxons profited fabulously from the war, becoming the final world master of capitalism. However, the USSR has become a new world pole of power on the planet, a nuclear and space superpower.

            The Anglo-Saxons would never have defeated the Soviet Union, and they would not have defeated us, we were deceived. In meanness, hypocrisy and deceit, our Anglo-Saxon "partners" have no equal. We were outplayed by Hollywood, Brezhnev was bought on a deal with the Moon, and this was a matter of life and death for capitalism, losing to socialism in paramount importance. This is how "détente" and Western goodies appeared, which gave a sense of stability, but in total this gave rise to a fetish for the West, doubts and betrayal. Gorbachev completed the "triumph" of Western values ​​by ruining the country, and Yeltsin gave rise to a legion of renegades who changed their shoes to new values ​​and defected to the new party of power.

            Now the war is in Ukraine, from which the Anglo-Saxons have made a new antipode, anti-Russia. According to a cunning plan, the Nazis were given 8 years to prepare, it was already impossible not to intervene further. Russia had to start the NMD, use up the stocks of modern weapons, in particular operational-tactical and anti-aircraft missiles, put the army in parts, and, when only nuclear arsenals remain, accept an ultimatum in the name of peace and humanism, being completely exhausted by the war against the economic power of the collective West and cannon fodder from citizens of Ukraine and a rabble of mercenaries.

            Yes, we need to get out of the capitalism picked up from the dump of history, which is again in a global crisis, and which, in fact, has already exhausted itself, there is no more positive in it, only absolute evil for the whole civilization. We cannot defeat world capitalism in our henpecked capitalism of the Russian oligarchs. This is a hard time, a litmus and a fateful stage, either people's power, a planned economy, victory, or the surrender of a bloodless Russia to the West.
            1. yuriy55
              yuriy55 19 October 2022 17: 33
              +4
              Quote: Per se.
              either people's power, a planned economy, victory, or the surrender of a bloodless Russia to the West.

              Strongly said! From the heart! good
        3. Illanatol
          Illanatol 19 October 2022 08: 58
          +1
          Then offer an alternative. If you can.
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 19 October 2022 11: 39
            +4
            There are no alternatives to socialism. It is the power of people who produce material values ​​that is the most correct. This is not the power of parasites or any other regime based on fear and bayonets.
            An article about the difficulties of gold miners was published on the next branch. Imagine, the Central Bank does not want to buy it, and in connection with the sanction, it is impossible to sell it for dollars and euros.
            It turns out that it is possible to sell oil for dollars and then exchange dollars for rubles (to carry out emission) to cover domestic needs. And to buy three hundred tons of gold at a price of 3275,08 rubles per gram, put it in storage and print an additional 982 rubles, while making a settlement with the industrialists, is an unrealistic, unrealizable, unimaginable operation ...
            It's so cool to keep dollars in savings banks in Washington with the possibility of losing them PERMANENTLY. These are not real gold bars for you, which will not go anywhere, will not go rotten, will not decrease in weight ... The most reliable long-term investment.
            Only the Central Bank thinks differently together with the disgusted Sakhipzadovna. Mr. Siluanov, along with the entire ministry, thinks the same way ... But where is the money to get to create new enterprises? Out of more than three hundred banks, no one will agree to this.
            1. -Paul-
              -Paul- 20 October 2022 09: 29
              +1
              There are no alternatives to socialism.

              This is true for all mankind.
              It is the power of people who produce material values ​​that is the most correct. This is not the power of parasites or any other regime based on fear and bayonets.

              The problem of any power is the degradation of the power itself over time. Whether under monarchies or democracies, the rule of negative selection is in effect, as practice over the past three hundred years has shown.
      2. gsev
        gsev 19 October 2022 23: 14
        +1
        Quote: Ilnur
        What's wrong with socialism

        If socialism is really democratic and liberal, then first they will drink away and squander additional property, and then all the means of production. Capitalism largely disciplines a person in his unsystematic waste of resources in an easy access zone. The Ministry of Defense Industry of the USSR threw out huge funds for the installation of stacker cranes in new factories, 98% of which no one needed. With this money, it was possible to provide all young scientists and engineers, if not with apartments, then with separate rooms immediately at the beginning of their career.
        1. Il'nur
          Il'nur 20 October 2022 00: 52
          +2
          Capitalism largely disciplines a person in his unsystematic waste of resources in an easy access zone.

          What do you say, say discipline?
          Is it not under capitalism that the insane exploitation of resources takes place, the production of goods in insane quantities, which humanity does not need in such quantities, somewhere they rage with fat, and somewhere poverty ...
          Here is an excerpt from one article:
          . Poverty from abundance or the paradox of the crisis of overproduction
          ROTFRONT.SU
          March 16 2020
          What an amazing time we live in. One third of the food produced in the world goes to the trash. Fashion houses are burning billions of dollars worth of unsold clothes, and car manufacturers are storing unsold products in the open. Tens of thousands of cars rot in these parking lots for years, pollute the environment, showing the whole world such characteristic touches to the portrait of our old friend - modern capitalism ...

          https://pikabu-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/pikabu.ru/s/story/nishcheta_ot_izobiliya_ili_paradoks_krizisa_pereproizvodstva_7292204
          1. Il'nur
            Il'nur 20 October 2022 01: 21
            +1
            Capitalism largely disciplines a person in his unsystematic waste of resources.

            In Soviet times, it was accepted to reuse materials, collect scrap metal, waste paper, reuse glass containers, and under capitalism, reuse of materials is not carried out, or is carried out to a limited extent, developed capitalist countries also do not fully recycle - where is the discipline and systemic waste of resources?
          2. gsev
            gsev 20 October 2022 03: 32
            0
            Quote: Ilnur
            What do you say, say discipline?
            Is it not under capitalism that there is an insane exploitation of resources, the production of goods in insane quantities,

            In many ways you are right. In theory, the state should limit the predatory use of common resources. But which system should be taken as a basis, capitalist or communist, is a big question. Both capitalism and socialism have changed greatly in the course of their history. For example, the life order model in Vietnam, China and North Korea has demonstrated greater resilience in the era of coronovirus. Perhaps even after only 100 people in the PRC were ill with this infection, and in the USA a quarter of the population is the current generation of China, the DPRK received a strong advantage over the current generation of the West and Russia. The Chinese retained both the mental and physical abilities of their citizens. Having been ill with a crown, Russians have joints unsuitable for running and have become a little stupid, which will make it difficult to compete with the Chinese in creating new equipment. In this case, the voluntarism of Xi and Kim saved the Chinese and Koreans from encountering the virus in their bodies. But in socialism there is no self-organization from the appearance of insanity with mass repressions, as happened under Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. And the destructive restructuring took place only because the society in the USSR was deprived of the ability to self-organize and protect its interests. With the revival of capitalism in Russia, there is an instinctive creation of certain self-organizing communities within the framework of enterprises. Where it occurs there such enterprises are viable.
            1. Il'nur
              Il'nur 20 October 2022 07: 15
              +1
              some self-organizing communities

              It is interesting to know - what are these organizations?
              Perhaps there are such people in the West, but in Russia, under oligarchic capitalism, I don’t know about this, and there is no “protection of one’s interests”, but on the contrary, if there is some kind of conflict situation, you can hear: “if you don’t like it, quit” ... And about self-organization, it’s the other way around, but in China, as you yourself said, during covid, society self-organized, unlike capitalist countries ...
              About mass repressions, you don’t need to read Solzhenitsyn, there may have been excesses, but on the eve of severe trials, society had to be protected from hostile elements ...
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 20 October 2022 11: 01
          +2
          Quote: gsev
          Capitalism largely disciplines a person in his unsystematic waste of resources in an easy access zone.

          You already somehow decide on the usefulness of capitalism.
          Capitalism is the bestial essence of nature, where each species is food for the other, and in the interspecies struggle, the strongest survive in physical terms and the ability to kill.
          Is this morality suitable for human civilization?
          The most important thing that capitalism deprives is spiritual development. In no world would it occur to anyone to copulate for the sake of sporting interest and the satisfaction of perverted habits with individuals of the same sex.
          1. gsev
            gsev 20 October 2022 16: 33
            0
            Under the USSR, the girls, having learned about my salary, laughed and assured that such a sucker should not be married. Although after 3 years of work I was a category 2 designer at a defense enterprise. There were no such problems under capitalism. I could work more and get more with more intensive work right away and not in the future when 5-8 years pass ..
      3. -Paul-
        -Paul- 20 October 2022 09: 20
        0
        As practice has shown, there is only one problem in socialism, however, as in any other form of government, both under a monarchy and under "Western-type democracies" - the ability of the leadership to fulfill its duties.
        1. gsev
          gsev 20 October 2022 16: 35
          +1
          Quote: -Paul-
          management's ability to carry out their duties.

          Under capitalism, the leader who has not chosen the optimal path quickly loses his job and state if he is the owner. Moreover, this happens without repressions and without the death by mistake of those who chose such an optimal path, but did not like the higher authorities.
    3. -Paul-
      -Paul- 20 October 2022 09: 09
      0
      Instead of slaves, modern science offers robots. Campanella's ideas themselves are quite acceptable and adequate, well, with some corrections, given the present. Where to go?! Forward - to communism!
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 19 October 2022 05: 25
    +10
    An article from the cycle "Paper, it will endure everything", it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines.
  8. Vladimir Mikhalev
    Vladimir Mikhalev 19 October 2022 05: 52
    +3
    That's what I'll call this gang for you, the Soros Relief Fund. A number of businessmen, a number of banks, gay and other personalities. Freemasons are not involved in this scheme today. The basis of Masons today is the Jewish people. So the Freemasons today are just business.
    1. gsev
      gsev 19 October 2022 09: 33
      -2
      Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
      That's what I'll call this gang for you, the Soros Relief Fund.

      There is a point of view that it is only thanks to Soros that Russia has a science, so it was able to create its own vaccine against Covid, and in the production of weapons it still lags behind Turkey and Iran everywhere.
      1. Vladimir Mikhalev
        Vladimir Mikhalev 19 October 2022 09: 55
        -2
        Science developed even before Soros. We are there to play the role of a gas station. Soros created grants for students abroad. But when I pointed out to them that these students would then go to them, a commotion arose. Those whom they train should work on our territory and hammer the foundations of Western democracy into us. To simply guide us. At the expense of weapons, yes, in his time, Mr. Serdyukov gave priority to Western schemes of foreign production. This wall was hard to break through. But with the advent of Shoigu, import substitution took place in the military sphere. Those calibers that fall today of those still old stocks (mikruhi from washing machines). So there was no backlog from the washers.
        1. gsev
          gsev 19 October 2022 23: 17
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
          But when I pointed out to them that these students would then go to them, a commotion arose.

          And what has changed at the Fiztekh or at the institutes in Pushchino after this commotion? The present system also cultivates the spirit of physics and technology students leaving for the West and the East.
          1. Vladimir Mikhalev
            Vladimir Mikhalev 20 October 2022 12: 02
            0
            Those who do not care go to Russia. So just wave them on the track and you can. There is a concept of purification of the people. If in ideology, as our grandfathers said, "US ARMY", they only drown those who live in this territory. Take the rise of Mr. Putin. The superfluous dispersed in the 90s, there was a general opinion. The people were cleansed, progress began.
            1. gsev
              gsev 20 October 2022 16: 23
              0
              Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
              There is a concept of purification of the people.

              Immediately after Lenin came to power, Russian philosophers, using statistical data, pointed out to the communists the beginning of dangerous trends in society that could lead to big problems for Russia and the peoples of its inhabitants. It was pointed out to a significant increase in divorces and, in the long run, to the collapse of the institution of the family. Ilyich dismissed these warnings and sent Cassander abroad. The USSR perished due to the inability to competently resist the manipulation of Russian consciousness by the West due to the lack of a professional philosophical school in the USSR. What was Marxist-Leninist philosophy was dogmatism, although these unfortunate Marxist philosophers assured that any student from the USSR who studied diamat was head and shoulders above the graduate of the Sorbonne. In the United States, it is believed that Ipatiev, who fled to them from the USSR, ensured the victory of the United States over both the twilight German genius and the invincible Japanese samurai, giving the United States the opportunity to create more powerful and light aircraft engines and bury both Japanese and German aircraft with minimal losses. Yes, and Soviet aviation in that war half flew on aviation gasoline engineer Ipatiev.
              1. Vladimir Mikhalev
                Vladimir Mikhalev 21 October 2022 09: 32
                0
                Ipatiev chose the society that is more dear to him. In fact, he was not going to work further. To lie on the laurels of what has been done - yes. At the expense of communism, my views are completely different from their views. Yes, and my opinion will not hold together something that is not homogeneous. In certain stressful situations, such a connection gives microcracks and society breaks up. The revolution was the same stress for the family. We had the same microcrack with Ukrainians. She appeared not today and not yesterday, but when the Lithuanian prince Casimir conquered Kyiv. We have followed different historical paths, different concerns, different understandings, different views, different solutions. Those 4 centuries that divided us could not unite the centuries that followed. And there was no such thing as a merger. They lived in their world, we lived in ours. Moskali appeared, later Khokhly. Previously, such a non-merger was kats apy and a glade (the glades annexed the northern Slavs of our country to Russia by force. (The fact that we had skirmishes before, read about Princess Olga)).
                1. gsev
                  gsev 22 October 2022 12: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
                  In fact, he was not going to work further. To lie on the laurels of what has been done - yes.

                  In the US, Ipatiev received 200 patents. He left the USSR in 1930. However, catalytic cracking of high-octane gasoline is believed to have appeared in 1936. Perhaps Ipatiev developed it earlier, but brought it to perfection and readiness for implementation already in the United States, having simultaneously created a chemical school in the United States, which still ensures the leadership of this country. In old age, it is foolish to delve into the intricacies of detailing, but you can quite effectively advise leading calculators, designers, designers, managers using your broad outlook and knowledge.
  9. gsev
    gsev 19 October 2022 06: 01
    +4
    And these are the figures accepted by the majority of experts, showing the size of all the losses of the Russian population in the period from 1917 to 1922:

    1. Died as a result of terror (of all types) ~ 2 people.

    2. Died from epidemics or famine ~ 6 people.

    3. ~2 people emigrated.
    However, within 30 years after the revolution and the civil war, the USSR returned Sakhalin and the Kuriles, recaptured East Prussia, created a bearing, aircraft engine, automotive, energy and nuclear industries. People in the country for the first time stopped starving en masse and quinoa ceased to be an important component of the diet of the majority of the population . Maybe now the flight from the country of Chubais, Pugacheva and Galkin and the dispersal of Rusnano will outweigh all the losses of the NWO and the war in Ukraine.
    1. -Paul-
      -Paul- 20 October 2022 09: 37
      0
      There was an incentive for the population to multiply, work, just live ... By the Second World War, the population losses from the First World War and the civil one were somewhat compensated. This is the merit of a socialist society.
  10. Arifon
    Arifon 19 October 2022 06: 30
    0
    Quote: Amateur
    allowed the presence of slaves to perform the work.

    In the future, the role of slaves will be performed by robots
  11. Arifon
    Arifon 19 October 2022 06: 34
    +1
    "Is this like him? Voluntarism!..." ©
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2022 06: 34
    0
    How can we get out of capitalism today?
    Sharikov from the famous work of Bulgakov would have solved this issue quickly and radically: "Take everything, and divide it up ...". And in conclusion, I would say to the author: "They write, they write ... Congress, some Germans ... My head swells."
  13. Pilot
    Pilot 19 October 2022 06: 35
    +4
    The author to tear your stump, did you send your writing by telegram by mail? Was there not enough money for a normal explanation, or did the fantasy run out? wassat
    What is Calvary, who launched it in Russia? Is this again the HPP of the great oligarchy gardener or where? request Hurry ishsho)) yes
    1. Taimen
      Taimen 19 October 2022 12: 08
      0
      Golgotha ​​is the mountain where Jesus Christ was crucified.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 19 October 2022 14: 32
        -1
        I know about the mountain, but this is a cunning plan and who is involved in and promotes it, the author did not bother to explain.
        4. And on the inner contour, our primary task is determined by the fact that the Golgotha ​​plan continues to be implemented in Russia. Let me remind you:

        the first stage is the collapse of the existing political and economic structure of the country;

        the second stage is the forced introduction of the “wild type” capitalist system;

        the third stage is the directed deepening of chaos and confusion as a means of mobilizing the masses under the slogans of social justice;

        the fourth stage is the beginning of cardinal reforms in the interests of the majority of the population.
  14. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 19 October 2022 06: 35
    -2
    Everything rests on property. There is imaginary property for ordinary people. this is what a high-ranking official said to the arguments about privatization. Now a person does not know whose land he walks on. Who owns this land. But they offer to fight for it. Until we solve the issue of property, nothing will work.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 October 2022 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Until we resolve the issue with the property, nothing will work.

      In the mass, this issue was resolved with EBN and his gang.
      Everything that brings profit and dividends is MINE ... What incurs expenses and losses is people's.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 October 2022 08: 45
      +1
      Most modern farmers own at least tens of hectares, and many hundreds or even thousands. Three hectares is a small semi-subsistence peasant economy, not a commodity farm.
      1. Nikolay Malyugin
        Nikolay Malyugin 19 October 2022 09: 32
        +1
        Sergey. And some even have a million hectares. I wonder where such wealth fell from?
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 19 October 2022 09: 48
          +1
          Nikolai, do you mean Miratorg? So the Internet is full of information about how this agricultural holding arose and developed. I personally have no complaints about the quality of their meat products, I occasionally eat them.) I know that they pay their employees more than small farmers, who, by the way, often do not register their employees officially. For a number of reasons, I wish to remain anonymous on this site. But, let's say, I live in a region where this agricultural holding is active and is a major employer). Some in-laws and distant relatives living in rural areas work in this system, in ordinary positions. There is not much choice in the province. If there is no desire to leave for a shift or even leave in search of a better life in another region, then working at Miratorg is one of the most acceptable employment options. In contrast to seasonal, often informal earnings, rather even part-time jobs with local small and medium-sized farmers. Well, not everyone has the opportunity to become independent smallholders, but many have the desire. Do you think all villagers dream of becoming farmers? Many people would be satisfied with a normally paid job as a driver, tractor driver, milkmaid, etc. As it was before in strong collective farms and state farms. Preferably with regular working hours.
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 October 2022 06: 44
    -1
    Capitalism is certainly evil. Only who prevents under capitalism to reduce corruption. Stop relying on foreign investment. Start making your own. Stop importing gasters..
    It's not about capitalism. Cars are produced in different countries, and Russian figures are again looking for someone to buy from.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 October 2022 08: 18
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      Capitalism is certainly evil.

      Capitalism is not evil, but a different kind of economic activity. When controlled by the state, some capitalist enterprises can be useful.
      In this matter, the main thing is that capitalism does not penetrate (does not replace) state functions.
      1. Alexander Ra
        Alexander Ra 20 October 2022 11: 02
        0
        "Latin-Russian Dictionary" 1914: capital - a serious criminal offense.
    2. Illanatol
      Illanatol 19 October 2022 09: 06
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Capitalism is certainly evil. Only who prevents under capitalism to reduce corruption. Stop relying on foreign investment. Start making your own. Stop importing gasters..


      Corruption is a manifestation of that very private initiative.
      Our economy cannot be raised by purely market methods - there will not be enough of our own capital. They have always been in short supply ... our climate and geography are not optimal for economic development (an additional increase in costs), and we do not have our own colonies, from where you can withdraw capital and resources.
      Therefore, from time to time it was necessary to turn part of the compatriots into "blacks" (and under Peter the Great and under Stalin).
      To start producing - you need capital and considerable. To build a plant is not to put up a stall.
      Gasters are the same "blacks". In the conditions of the "market" their labor is more competitive, because it is cheaper. In Germany, Kurds and Arabs also work at enterprises.
      Volkswagens are made in Mexico. But this can hardly be considered an achievement of the Mexican auto industry.

  16. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 19 October 2022 06: 46
    +10
    The feeling that I read an essay by a novice science fiction writer. Who are the curators, aliens?
  17. Quote Lavrov
    Quote Lavrov 19 October 2022 06: 53
    +8
    This is what I understand REN-TV on the road ...
    Correctly, the very first commentator said - no power, in the event of a change in the socio-political system, is given voluntarily ...
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 19 October 2022 07: 55
    0
    Operation "Hour of the Bull". Get out of capitalism
    If there is NO better way out of the situation, this does not mean that IT DOES NOT exist.
    And here is where he is, around what corner ... this, our society, will have to find out, find.
  19. Bingo
    Bingo 19 October 2022 08: 09
    +3
    I don't like populist balabols. Just one argument - the author did not offer any alternative to capitalism. "The main thing is that it's not capitalism." This is even stupider than Maidan slogans.
    There is nothing to say about feasibility. Designed not just for rainbow elves, but for rainbow elves who have undergone a skull amputation.
    PiSi: successfully developing China has built capitalism.
  20. Illanatol
    Illanatol 19 October 2022 09: 14
    +1
    Quote from Bingo
    PiSi: successfully developing China has built capitalism.


    There is no capitalism in China and never will be.
    There are capitalists. But power over society is not in their hands. And the authorities in China do not act in the interests of a handful of oligarchs, as (well, you understand), but in the interests of society as a whole in the long term.
    The Chinese understand this perfectly, and therefore they are extremely loyal to the authorities. And the local millionaires, instead of opposition, join the Communist Party.
    In short, what is in China is NEP 2.0. In the near future, the role of the state in the local economy will begin to grow, while the private sector will shrink. China will reduce exports and pay more attention to the domestic market, making its economy more stable and independent.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 October 2022 09: 28
      0
      Quote: Illanatol
      And the authorities in China do not act in the interests of a handful of oligarchs, as (well, you understand), but in the interests of society as a whole in the long term.

      It's just that the local oligarchs understand the fact that only a strong China will ensure the safety of their capital.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 19 October 2022 13: 33
        +2
        There are no oligarchs there. An oligarch is one who, having capital, concentrates political power in his hands.
        The rich people there do not have political power and will not have it.
        And what they think is the fifth thing. They are not subject in politics. As the leadership of the CCP decides, so be it. And if one of the businessmen allows too much - he will be behind bars, at least, at the maximum - he will suffer an occupational disease of printing workers (lead poisoning).
        So to speak, reliance on traditional values ​​and historical experience (Emperor Qin Shi Huang Di).
        And the DPRK is following the route traditional for Asian despots.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 October 2022 14: 06
          0
          Quote: Illanatol
          The rich people there do not have political power and will not have it.

          Money and power are always connected - it was and will be so.
    2. Bingo
      Bingo 19 October 2022 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: Illanatol
      There is no capitalism in China and never will be.

      It just has its own specifics. Is there capitalism in the US? Power in the hands of the capitalists? Now look how the richest man on the planet got a soldering iron in his ass when he didn’t want to give freebies to anyone.
      And yes, a deuce to you on the "basics". Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, it does not say about power, there is only "the primacy of commodity-money relations."
      Tfu, edmit, so many years have passed, but I remember all this crap! wassat
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 19 October 2022 13: 48
        -1
        Quote from Bingo
        It just has its own specifics. Is there capitalism in the US? Power in the hands of the capitalists? Now look how the richest man on the planet got a soldering iron in his ass when he didn’t want to give freebies to anyone.
        And yes, a deuce to you on the "basics". Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, it does not say about power, there is only "the primacy of commodity-money relations."
        Tfu, edmit, so many years have passed, but I remember all this crap!


        No one gave him a soldering iron. Lives and is well. At large, all the billions are with him, he implements his projects without interference, launches pepelats on schedule.
        This is one. The real power in the United States is in the hands of the capitalists, or rather, even financial and banking capital. They turn the state as they wish, it is only an instrument in their hands. And if a "white crow" signed up in their ranks, which began to argue with their friendly team, they will simply make a suggestion and the "non-format" will quickly come to its senses. This is two.
        And third. Kill yourself on a schnobel so that you don’t disgrace yourself in the future.
        The "commodity-money relations" themselves are derivatives of the state, of power. There will be no state - there will be no commodity-money relations, since these relations are based on LAW, on laws that establish the rules for the functioning of these very relations. If there are no rules, there will be no relations, no "economic exchange". Why is exchange necessary in anarchy? The strong will simply take everything from the weak, giving nothing in return. Makes you work "for so".
        Actually, the very development of statehood is due to the need to regulate these very relations. If the state leaves this sphere, another one will take its place. It is no coincidence that the mafia is called "a state within a state."

        Businessmen-traders were still in ancient Egypt and Babylon. But there was no capitalism. Capitalism as a socio-economic formation appeared when the businessmen seized political power as a result of bourgeois revolutions.

        In short, a count with a minus for you on the basics of political economy.
  21. Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 October 2022 09: 20
    0
    Uh... development of the joke "more likely aliens will come and build socialism"?
    who are the curators and where will they get such technologies from?
    Yes, and where do we put all these "effective managers", members of their clans, and the people they have fooled ???

    It should not be forgotten that the PZhV is united, educated, experienced, and acts much more efficiently than the masses that have lost their management and education skills.
    As an example: all "thieves in law" died either from civil society, or from the actions of "bodies in law", or from age. None of the actions of the "masses" suffered like. On the contrary - they "tolerated" bent over as they wanted ... (sorry for the harsh comparison)
  22. Kolin
    Kolin 19 October 2022 09: 29
    0
    Human complementation is the highest stage of communism (c) SEELE. laughing
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol 19 October 2022 13: 52
      0
      Did an otaku worm its way into our ranks?
      Well, you can remember the thinking ocean of Solaris. There is no exploitation, no money, no restrictions on needs. Communism, however, is for a single ocean.
      And unlike in the "Third Strike of Evangelion" - the option is practically implemented.
  23. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 19 October 2022 09: 53
    +2
    Why is the third article of this "author" on the site?!?!
    Its "semantic knot": the creation of an alternative economic system according to the "parallel center" scheme (first in Russia).

    But all this work will be possible only if, at the first stage, the curators provide us with:

    1. Fuel-free energy technologies that make it possible to obtain an unlimited amount of energy from the physical vacuum and on the basis of "cold nuclear fusion", as well as the corresponding (very compact!) equipment. This will gradually create an alternative energy industry that does not rely on the extraction of energy resources, without hydroelectric power plants, thermal power plants and nuclear power plants, and does not require high-voltage power lines. On the basis of these technologies, a truly autonomous electric transport is also being created.

    2. "Medical capsules" (work like an MRI - magnetic resonance imaging). They perform resonant scanning of the human body - the skin, muscle tissue, all organs, etc. are scanned. At the same time, everything is recorded - down to the micron level of blood, and DNA is actually identified. Any disease and any genetic deviation is caught. And then the treatment begins. For example, if stage 4 leukemia is fixed, full recovery will occur in about 2,5 minutes, there are no side effects.

    Technology of "information transfer". All the properties of an expensive drug are “transferred” to any cheap carrier (up to distilled water) that is used by the patient instead of the expensive original. The effect of the application is the same.

    Semantic knot... parallel center... curators... informational transfer... cure of leukemia in 2,5 minutes... energy from the physical vacuum... Order, Group... Immediately a clear diagnosis. Immediately Samsonov looks adequate against this background.
    And the fact that under such articles they are also discussing something evokes quite sad thoughts.
  24. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 19 October 2022 10: 58
    +2
    Technology of "information transfer". All the properties of an expensive drug are “transferred” to any cheap carrier (up to distilled water) that is used by the patient instead of the expensive original. The effect of the application is the same.

    This was already tested by a certain Chumak about thirty years ago. Some even put banks in front of the TV.
  25. Nephilim
    Nephilim 19 October 2022 14: 12
    0
    Lord, give already someone to the author of haloperidol! Pity the poor man!
  26. Illanatol
    Illanatol 19 October 2022 14: 14
    0
    Quote: Dart2027

    Money and power are always connected - it was and will be so.


    Power attaches money to itself, and not vice versa.

    "It's all right," said the baron, putting on his helmet.
    "But cold iron rules over everything."

    The Siamese twin for power is not money, but strength, armed violence.
    A rifle gives birth to power, not a tight wallet. China is not the USA, there is a different mentality.
    It is in the United States that the Fed bankers can steer, in China they will not follow this path. Moreover, there is already the sad experience of the British Empire, which was brought to the zugunder just by these bankers.
    1. composite
      composite 19 October 2022 14: 46
      0
      Quote: Illanatol
      British Empire

      Rather Dutch - with the British, in my opinion, everything is fine.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 20 October 2022 09: 24
        0
        Do the Brits themselves think so?
        Where is their empire on which the sun never set?
        There was a superpower that ruled everything - now a second-rate country, incapable of anything without a senior partner - the United States.
        The British pound is no longer the world's reserve currency. Bax succeeded on this throne. From the former military power - legs and horns. The British themselves do not even breed well from such "prosperity", former natives are now mastering English cities.
        The Scots are looking to the left ... what is this "norm"?
        1. composite
          composite 20 October 2022 13: 59
          0
          and why are you so upset? if it’s so bad, why is the whole native elite grazing there?
          Only the lazy did not buy a house in London.
          repair Saratov and Voronezh by itself.
          or in - take a ride to Oryol - such a town - look at the architecture and roads, maybe the bridge has already been repaired there. Or again the money was stolen.
          WHAT IS THE EAGLE TALKING ABOUT?
          01/05/2022 14:00
          What are we looking for?

          Orlovtsy offer the authorities to organize people's control over the reconstruction of the Red Bridge

          and there the power behind the relics will be pulled up.
          1. Illanatol
            Illanatol 21 October 2022 09: 24
            0
            Quote: composite
            and why are you so upset? if it’s so bad, why is the whole native elite grazing there?


            Do not confuse soft with warm. In Luxembourg or Monaco it is even sweeter than in Londongrad, but these geographical points do not possess imperial power.
            And the dear (for you?) elite grazes there, because they keep their capital there, away from the tax.
            However, for some time now, the "expropriation of the expropriators" began there as well.
            I suspect not that life has become too good, the Bolshevik manners - just the opposite.
  27. katarsafebox.com
    katarsafebox.com 19 October 2022 18: 10
    +1
    We will not engage in conspiracy theories.
  28. place
    place 20 October 2022 11: 22
    0
    Talking about the "exit from capitalism", the author carefully pushes the reader to the entrance. into feudalism.

    About the Bolsheviks, not true. Nationalization was carried out by Napoleon in France. What did Engels write about in the 19th century? But Napoleon was by no means a Bolshevik.
    The Bolsheviks created something completely different; new type of power. Soviet power, like the current Chinese one, is characterized primarily by the enormous powers of elected bodies.
    This truth is carefully hidden by all authors. No wonder one of Yeltsin's main deeds was the execution of the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies in October 1993. Since then, such sovereign congresses of deputies have been generally banned in Russia.

    As for technology, nonsense is already at the level of the clinic. It is possible to create the latest technologies only on the basis of government funding. For which, first, the very "necessary changes" that the author of the article was dreaming about are required.
  29. place
    place 20 October 2022 12: 08
    0
    Quote: A vile skeptic
    . Order, Group... There is a clear diagnosis right there. Immediately Samsonov looks adequate against this background.

    +1000
  30. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 21 October 2022 15: 00
    +2
    a different, non-coercive scenario of “exiting capitalism” is required

    A non-force scenario for the restoration of capitalism was found. The socialist state is incapable of repression against the people. But the non-coercive scenario of getting out of capitalism is not working out so far. The main function of the capitalist state is repression against its people.
  31. 12olegg34
    12olegg34 24 October 2022 23: 53
    0
    It is interesting to read, of course, but only God knows the script. And all sorts of villains who imagine themselves to be the arbiters of destinies will be swept into oblivion. It remains for us to work and dream (after all, thought is actually material), God will not leave Russia and the whole world, now Russia is being cleaned (Ukraine is part of Russia) from scale. You have to believe in yourself and in God.
  32. Illanatol
    Illanatol 25 October 2022 09: 32
    0
    Quote from: filibuster
    Well, how can I say that there was Zhukov and there was my grandfather, who went through the whole war, Zhukov rode on a white horse in Red Square, and grandfather lived in a communal apartment for a long time, and Zhukov had personal apartments, summer cottages, drivers and the difference in material remuneration was actually hundreds of times, maybe even thousands.


    Do you miss egalitarian justice? It happens.
    Such as Zhukov - fluctuations that go far beyond the statistical distribution. Geniuses are piece people.
    And with all due respect to your grandfather ... do you think that he did at least a thousandth of what Zhukov did to win? Well, to be honest?
    Could a thousand people like your grandfather replace one Zhukov?
    "For equal work in quantity and quality - equal remuneration."

    A dubious comparison, every person is a person, the owner of a simply fantastic thing: intelligence and the ability to self-knowledge, spiritual development, etc. And so I agree that “socialism” will work great if people are at the level of shoulders or ants with super minimal needs “to eat, sleep , give offspring, die”


    Most use this "fantastic thing" as a monkey would use a smartphone - nuts would be cracked with this device.
    Reason arose simply as a tool for adaptation, and in fact it is used by the majority. Predators have fangs and claws, the layman has intellect. The tools are different, but the functions are similar (devour, get a female, etc.).
    About self-knowledge and spiritual development - he smiled specifically. It seems that you yourself live in Utopia, and not in our clumsy reality.
    And just capitalism gets along well with such "human material", actively reproducing it in mass quantities. Socialism is not in business, specifically.

    Although there are still such scarce “resources” as power, the desire to possess a woman / man (depending on gender and inclinations), the desire for world recognition and veneration, etc.


    These are not essential human needs. Defects in upbringing, complexes ... all this is treated, in short. Sex? Is he already in short supply? Well, I didn't know... laughing
  33. Illanatol
    Illanatol 25 October 2022 09: 43
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    You can talk for a long time about the wrongness of society, but when there is no need to fight for survival, then people always create the same system. That is life.


    Life is such that all these "identical systems" eventually degraded and ended in a rather inglorious way. What happened to ancient Rome?
    Are you sure we won't have to fight for survival anymore? That there will be no more dangerous challenges? Not at the level of an individual or even a nation, but of humanity as a whole?
    A system based on social inequality carries with it a constant source of conflict. The extreme degree of conflict is war. When a certain technological threshold is reached, not only wars, but also conflicts of less significance, will begin to threaten the very existence of mankind.
    Either we will have to change the paradigm of behavior, or we will disappear as a species.
  34. yukov
    28 October 2022 11: 40
    0
    Friends!
    On the Russian-language site of the American researcher and writer David Wilcock (David Wilcock) in October this year. there was a transcript of the first part of the dialogue of one of the earthly contactees - with a representative of the Pleiades star system named Swaru.

    http://divinecosmos.e-puzzle.ru/page.php?al=821

    This is an extremely important dialogue. Therefore, I will give a few excerpts from it.

    Swaru: We are mostly from the planets Erra and Temmer, orbiting the sun Taygetus in the Pleiades star system. We are a special group of almost 18.000 Taygeteans on several ships.
    The ships are placed in several orbits; the height of the orbit depends on the individual tasks of each ship. Large ships are mostly stationary. Smaller ships move to different places.
    ...We have come here before in small numbers. We have been visiting Earth for thousands of years, but we emerged as a force in 1952, and as an even greater force in 2008. Since then we have been here.
    ...I will say this, the opponents of the earthlings were preparing for the "culling of people" - mass murder. This correlated with the "end times" of 2012. We have stopped this program. Now it has slowed down, but, unfortunately, it is still not turned off. This program is part of the New World Order.
    ...Solving the problems of the Earth is not something that we can do from outside. Everything must be done from within. So here's what we do: we paint the situation for people so that they, in turn, see more, explore for themselves, until a turning point in consciousness is reached. Then everything will start moving towards the positive. You don't have to wake up the masses. Don't worry about it. All that is needed awaken the key core of people.
    We are now running a huge contact campaign to pass on information that will resonate with some people, and then a chain reaction will start.
    It is the people who must become those who overcome the enslavers. Not we. People have to do the work. Negative forces come to peaceful planets to enslave and dominate the native population, using lies and mind control to serve themselves...