Military Review

Numerical Aspects of Air Force Rearmament

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The current State rearmament program (GPV-2020) has quite “deep” and not entirely pleasant roots. The grandiose plans for the re-equipment of the armed forces are based not only on the country's desire to renew and modernize the material part of the army. Economic and political problems that arose shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union are still felt to one degree or another. One of their consequences is the obsolescence of weapons and equipment. Over the past decades, one of the main areas of development of the armed forces is aviation. Practice has clearly shown that under certain conditions it is this kind of troops that can single-handedly solve a large number of combat missions. However, financial disasters have led to the fact that at present the Russian Air Force is technically something that combines the latest technology models and what was done back in the eighties. The need for a radical update is obvious.



Looking at the statements of the military and political leadership about the planned and ongoing purchases of new aircraft equipment, willy-nilly, you come to the conclusion of catching up the lost time. It is worth quoting figures on the development and updating of the domestic Air Force over the past 10-12 years. Prior to the reform of the armed forces in 2008, the procurement and repair statistics were, to put it mildly, unsatisfactory. The smallest figures figured in relation to bomber aircraft. In the period from 2000 to 2008, the Russian Air Force received one (!) Strategic missile carrier Tu-160 and three Su-34 front-line bomber. It is worth noting that the obviously insufficient number of constructed “strategists” was compensated by diplomatic methods. At the beginning of the two thousand years, Russia still managed to get from Ukraine seven Tu-160 aircraft and three Tu-95MS, which became a payment for debts. The helicopters turned out to be a bit more successful: about ten new Mi-28Н, two Ka-50 and about fifteen multi-purpose machines of the Mi-8 family. In general, purchases of new technology in the period under review remained at the same level as in the nineties. However, the number of repaired and modernized machines increased significantly. Over the eight years, more than 110 aircraft and helicopters have undergone the necessary procedures. Yet such volumes are also not sufficient.

In addition to unsatisfactory purchases of airplanes and helicopters in the first twenty years since the collapse of the Soviet Union, several unpleasant tendencies took shape and stuck that directly affect the effectiveness of the military work of military pilots. The difficult economic situation did not allow to bring to mind a number of projects of guided weapons. Because of this, there is currently a lag behind foreign countries in the field of air-to-air missiles with an active radar homing head, tactical cruise missiles, guided bombs with satellite navigation, EW systems, etc. This problem, first of all, was caused by the lack of funding: choosing between new weapons and their carriers, the command made a choice in favor of the latter. Obviously, new aircraft can use old weapons, and the “compatibility” of new ammunition with old carriers raises certain doubts.

In the period from 2008 to 2012, the rate of equipping the air force with new equipment increased significantly, although it still could not be compared with the volume of supplies from the times of the Soviet Union. In the next eight years, until 2020, the rearmament of the Air Force will continue, and in the coming years it will pick up the main pace. In the next eight years, about four trillion rubles will be allocated to the needs of military aviation. It is quite obvious that with this money you can buy a huge number of airplanes and helicopters, as well as create and purchase new weapons. However, even huge amounts require competent treatment, so that allocations are spent wisely. The existing needs and requirements of the time force us to simultaneously make plans to re-equip units with different tactical roles, which in itself is not easy.

According to current plans, the greatest attention will be paid to front-line aviation. Before the notorious 2020 year, it is planned to bring and launch in a series of fighter T-50, created by the program PAK FA. First, more than a dozen pre-production vehicles will be manufactured, and during serial production until the end of the state program in 2020, the Air Force must receive at least fifty such fighters. After 2020, deliveries will continue. Another large order is associated with the aircraft of the previous generation. Su-35, belonging to the 4 ++ generation, is already being supplied to the air force. The current order involves the construction of 48 such fighters. In the future, it is possible to sign a new contract for at least fifty aircraft. The further fate of the Su-35C is mainly related to the progress of the T-50 project. The fact is that Su-35С is considered as a kind of temporary measure in anticipation of a full-fledged transition to T-50. Thus, the purchase of a large number of aircraft generation 4 ++ may simply be inappropriate. The list of purchased fighters closes the Su-30CM and Su-27CM3. Their total number will slightly exceed four dozen, but it is not worth waiting for a further increase in the order. The most massive new type should be the Su-34 front-line bomber. His tactical niche does not provide for a large number of projects with different characteristics, so over the next years he will become the main and then the only front-line bomber of the Russian Air Force. 129 machines have already been ordered and new contracts are possible. To date, the troops transferred a half dozen of such bombers. It is also worth mentioning the possible order of ten to fifteen Su-25 family attack aircraft in various versions. Finally, for the initial training of the future pilots, training Yak-130 is already being purchased. 18 such aircraft transferred to the customer, another fifty or under construction plans for construction.

The command of the Air Force and the Ministry of Defense also has big plans for the renewal of military transport aviation. The list of proposed and planned to purchase types of aircraft is quite long. For this reason, too, the main deliveries of transport aircraft will begin only after 2015. Deliveries of light passenger An-140 and L-410UVP have been started so far. The total number of these aircraft will be 40 units, a quarter of which have already been commissioned. In the future, after 2014-15, deliveries of heavy Il-76MD-90А transporters will begin in the amount of at least four dozen and 60 An-70. In addition, the purchase of twenty modernized An-124 Ruslan is possible, but with respect to this aircraft, all is not yet clear.

Already a few months ago it became clear that purchases of new long-range bombers are not currently planned. Tu-95MS and Tu-22М3 have long been discontinued and there is no point in restarting the assembly. Until recently, there were certain hopes regarding the Tu-160 - there was a reserve at the Kazan Aviation Production Association for the construction of a pair of such aircraft. However, further news The plans for the PAK DA project and the lack of reports on the purchase of Tu-160 allow us to draw the appropriate conclusions. At the same time, it is quite likely that before the end of the current state program, long-range aviation will not have time to receive a new vehicle at all. The fact is that the main funding for the development of PAK DA will begin only after a few years, and this significantly shifts the construction and testing of the prototype.

Helicopters were much more successful than strategic aircraft. In the plans before 2020, the supply of almost 350 rotary-wing machines is indicated. The contract for drums Mi-28Н implies the construction of nearly 170 helicopters. Ka-52, in turn, will be built in quantities of at least 180 units. It is worth noting that until recently, the Mi-28H was considered the most promising attack helicopter for the Russian Air Force. However, for several reasons, his main competitor, Ka-52, later became the subject of a larger contract. In addition, a number of Kamov helicopters will be ordered to equip the landing ships of the Mistral project. As in the case of fighters, the helicopter fleet is replenished not only with new machines, but also with upgraded ones. For these purposes, fifty Mi-35M helicopters, which are a deep modernization of the Mi-24, were ordered. Thus, prior to the construction of a large number of Mi-28H and Ka-52, the Russian air force will have time to update its fleet of vehicles with “transitional” machines.

In addition to combat helicopters, the Air Force also intends to receive transport. Last year, a contract was signed on 38 heavy MI-26, six of which have already been transferred to the customer. Multipurpose Mi-8, in turn, will be built in even larger quantities. Total orders up to 2020 will likely exceed 500 units. At the same time, new helicopters of a lighter class are not forgotten. Thus, six Ka-226 have already been assembled and in the near future three dozen more such helicopters will be made, there are contracts for the supply of X-NUMX's Ansat, and the possibility of acquiring hundreds of Ka-32 is also being considered.

Simultaneously with the purchase of new equipment will be upgraded old. This method is planned to achieve long-range aviation. Before 2020, repairs and upgrades will take place over a dozen missile launch vehicles Tu-160 and thirty Tu-95MS and Tu-22М3 each. In addition, about forty IL-76 old modifications (to the IL-76MDM state) and two dozen An-124 Ruslan will be updated in the sector of aircraft. Frontal aviation will not remain without attention. The Su-24M bomber and the Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft in the amount of about a hundred units will be completed, and the 10-12 MiG-25РБ reconnaissance aircraft will also receive the new equipment. It is possible to continue upgrading Su-27 fighters to Su-27CM status. Work has already begun on upgrading MiG-31 interceptors (up to the “BM” version) and Su-25 attack planes (up to the “SM”), as a result of which 120 of each type of aircraft will receive new capabilities. Finally, A-50 long-range radar detection and control aircraft will be repaired and retrofitted in accordance with version A-50U.

As we see, the Ministry of Defense has huge plans for the next eight years. Mastering four trillion rubles will be associated with some specific problems, primarily of a production nature. Over the years of downtime and insufficient production volumes, enterprises in the aviation industry have lost some of their potentials. In addition, lost years had a negative impact on technological development. Thus, at first glance, the usual purchase of new equipment turns into a multi-pass combination with the restoration of enterprises, the updating of production equipment, the creation of connections between plants, etc. It is quite obvious that all this will be very difficult, long and expensive. But there is no choice anymore: such things have not been done for a long time, therefore the State program of rearmament has a corresponding priority.

In addition, it is necessary to recall the need to create new weapons, first of all, guided. In a number of areas of this class weapons we are behind the world leaders. However, this lag has some advantages. The leading countries of the industry have already managed not only to develop their latest-generation guided weapons, but also to test them in the real conditions of a modern war. Accordingly, the Russian military and engineers will not have to spend a lot of time and effort on determining the appearance of the most promising weapons. Nevertheless, even such pleasant facts are unlikely to simplify the rearmament of the army in general and the air force in particular. The state program still requires a huge investment of effort, time and money.


On the materials of the sites:
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  1. Goga
    Goga 25 October 2012 08: 24
    +3
    It is always difficult and unpleasant to catch up - so many years on "starvation rations", of course now there are a lot of problems - and the machines are outdated and the specialists are old and it is not easy to find new ones ..., but as they say, better later than never. I really want everything that is planned to be done, it is clear that not without problems and plugs, but done - there is simply no other way, without the latest aviation they will trample us ...
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 25 October 2012 22: 08
      +3
      Well, there is nothing surprising, in 2000 the very existence of Russia, what kind of armaments are there, was called into question. But nothing recovered.

      If we are lagging behind the Anglo-Saxons, it is only in terms of the number of 'units' (well, in the field of drones), and in terms of technology we are again ahead for a long time. Of course, they themselves helped us in this, with their failures of f22 and f35 of which there is no end in sight, and the failure is already clear to everyone.

      Well, in the next 5-10 years we will have an "explosion" of technologies: the T-50 will be almost ready, the PAK-DA will fly, new ICBMs will fly (it seems they have already flown), overcoming missile defense, Armata, Boomerang, Kurganets will go.
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 26 October 2012 07: 26
      0
      Walking will overpower the road, but water does not flow under a lying stone.
      We will succeed. You just need to believe and achieve your goals no matter what.
  2. karimbaev
    karimbaev 25 October 2012 08: 53
    -8
    dreaming is not bad.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 25 October 2012 09: 27
      +8
      Harmful not to dream!
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 October 2012 10: 30
        +7
        Quote: leon-iv

        Harmful not to dream!


        And the fairy tale will come true!

        1. Trofimov174
          Trofimov174 25 October 2012 12: 27
          0
          Oh and stocks in this video. They showed Ash for Borey, then F-16 instead of F-22, when it came to Bulava, so random pictures showed, besides they won’t buy Tu-160, why are they here, uhs. But in general, everything is true. True, for some reason, not all indicated.
        2. Reddragon
          Reddragon 26 October 2012 17: 40
          0
          The tale will come true when the planes buy! So many times a word is no longer believed!
          1. Lucky
            Lucky 26 October 2012 23: 48
            0
            I already buy them, they come in parts!
      2. Rossmk
        Rossmk 25 October 2012 21: 29
        0
        Harmful not to dream!
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 26 October 2012 17: 21
      -1
      And so you slammed an article with a minus?)))
  3. Trofimov174
    Trofimov174 25 October 2012 09: 24
    +6
    Um ... Somehow they forgot to mention the Mig-35, because they are taking it into service next year.
    1. Lucky
      Lucky 26 October 2012 23: 48
      -1
      campaign changed their minds to accept)))
  4. Greyfox
    Greyfox 25 October 2012 09: 58
    +2
    Thank God they've changed their minds and the Ka-52 will go to the troops in larger numbers than originally planned! Apparently they realized that the "Night Hunter" was a damp car. That's just because of the undercover fuss of the Milians in the Air Force, the rascal will now be worse than the tankers with the T-64/72/80 in their time.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 25 October 2012 21: 03
      +1
      Yes, not only and not so much raw as late.
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 25 October 2012 21: 31
        0
        Quote: patsantre

        Yes, not only and not so much raw as late.

        The first prototype Mi-28 helicopter made its first flight on November 10, 1982. I remember it was shown at some kind of holiday, so long ago it was that I won’t remember ...
  5. skullcap
    skullcap 25 October 2012 11: 08
    +1
    Considering the state of the aircraft industry, one should, of course, rejoice in the voiced quantities of new technology.
    But a dozen and a half Tu-160 against a hundred B-1B will not be enough. And although Russia is not the USSR, when hundreds of planes per year came to the Air Force, but 40-50 machines of certain types of aircraft for the period right up to 2020, too, are clearly not enough.
    It is necessary to return the escaped money from offshore - after all, it will be taken away anyway.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 25 October 2012 13: 54
      0
      This money can not be returned even with a great desire ...
      1. Lucky
        Lucky 26 October 2012 23: 51
        0
        Well, if not everything is returned, then at least part of these funds !!
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 25 October 2012 21: 06
      +2
      B-1B is clearly less than a hundred, 60 with something. Yes, and they are not strategists already.
      It’s impossible to chase amers - not only willn’t catch up anyway, we’ll go bankrupt. The USSR lost this race, we won’t win again. We need to ensure our immunity from NATO (there are more nuclear weapons) and weapons for local and regional conflicts (it may be necessary to clash with the United States somewhere, but the leaders of the countries will be smart enough to confine themselves to a local war and not unleash a world war. In this situation, it is necessary to use the entire army, it will only require a considerable amount of modern technology. Many can find themselves in the enemy’s place. And it is for this situation that we need to prepare. And trying to keep up with the amers for the main forces is a futile.
  6. cucun
    cucun 25 October 2012 11: 39
    +1
    Without sarcasm, just a question, can a TU-160 in a real conflict fly somewhere? I have strong doubts about the current development of air defense systems and count. fighters from a potential enemy. Moreover, dryers have a loading capacity of 8 tons ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 12: 10
      +3
      When equipped with appropriate cruise missiles, these machines can fly up from a thread from under Saratov and, having fired from an inaccessible anti-aircraft missile, it’s far to dust Japan ... Or, for example, (again, in theory and subject to the presence of the corresponding RC) the strike group of the probable adversary where is the thread in the middle of the Pacific Ocean with such a quantity of anti-ship missiles that AUG air defense will simply not digest, and without entering the AUG air defense zone.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 25 October 2012 13: 53
      0
      There is a suspicion that they will not be able to fly anywhere! And the Kyrgyz Republic will be intercepted, even if they manage to release them (there will not be so many, unfortunately) ...
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 14: 18
        +1
        Well, why? If you count a dozen distant missiles per strategist, then 16 strategists will produce very powerful 192 missiles. There are of course 100500 targeting problems, but ...
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 25 October 2012 21: 10
          -2
          Stop fantasizing. The Tu-160 at the moment can’t carry high-precision non-nuclear weapons, only the KR with YaBCH. It will have to be upgraded notably so that it can carry anti-ship missiles ... but there’s not much sense, it’ll not take off 192 missiles anyway. count only on the payload. If you read about the Tu-160 at least on the same Wikipedia, you would know that the drum sets do not allow you to take more than 12 missiles on board. Yes, and it’s unlikely to fly over from the launch distance, even if you solve the problem with target designation.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 21: 45
            +4
            Quote: patsantre
            Quit fantasizing

            Well, let's see what I "fantasized" there
            Quote: patsantre
            If you read about the Tu-160 at least on the same Wikipedia, you would know that drum sets do not allow you to take on board more than 12 missiles.

            What a revelation! you just open my eyes to the world! laughing
            And now - ATTENTIVELY read what I wrote
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            If you count according to a dozen distant missiles per strategist, then 16 strategists will give very powerful 192 rockets.

            So, 16 Strategists, multiply by 12 rockets (each) and get ... abalde - 192 rockets! yes
            And you, without reading as it should (but what is there - as it is - without having read it at all), my commentary imagined that I piled 192 rockets onto one Tu-160 and ran to treat my life? Nude Nude.
            Quote: patsantre
            And he is unlikely to fly without dying at the launch distance, even if he solves problems with target designation.

            X-65 (anti-ship modification X-55), developed back in the 80-ies flew on 500-600 km http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x65.html
            Do you think that today we will not be able to create a missile that could hit the 1200-1500 km and at the same time fit into the Tu-160 drum?
            1. patsantre
              patsantre 25 October 2012 22: 09
              -2
              Okay, with rockets - my jamb. True, butthurt, my school has caused you a noble laughing anyway.
              If you direct the Tu-160 to fight with the AUGs (which is currently impossible at all), then the YES decently decays so, don't we? We don’t have that many Tu-160s to distribute them between the YES and the Navy (or what we have such aircraft)
              Further: Speaking of target designation, I meant target designation within the radio horizon, i.e. 400 km. Further it’s very difficult. And at a distance of 400 km no one will let him approach.
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              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              X-65 (anti-ship modification X-55), developed back in the 80-ies flew on 500-600 km http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x65.html
              Do you think that today we will not be able to create a missile that could hit the 1200-1500 km and at the same time fit into the Tu-160 drum?

              Come on. These subsonic missiles will certainly be dismantled by Amer’s air defense.
              In order to inflict significant damage on them with 192 missiles (with each Aegis cruiser / destroyer in the AUG) there will be about 30 missiles, they must be supersonic. Here's an example - Granite. With a range of about 600 km (and this is along a mixed path) it has mass of 7 tons and it obviously will not fit into the Tu-160 drum. PKR with a range of 1.5 km and a mass of 2 tons can certainly be created, but there will be no sense.
              Most likely even supersonic onyx (3 tons) with a range of 300 km (along a mixed path, again) will not fit into the Tu-160 drum.
              So fantasies, as such, remained.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 22: 38
                +3
                Quote: patsantre
                Okay, with rockets - my jamb. True, butthurt, my school has caused you a noble

                No-a. Not batthert, but I couldn’t give up myself the pleasure of postebatsya laughing
                Quote: patsantre
                If you send a Tu-160 to fight AUGs (which is currently impossible

                That's exactly why I wrote
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                again - in theory and subject to the availability of the relevant RC

                Because the person asked about POSSIBLE options for using strategists. And not about existing at the moment
                Quote: patsantre
                then YES decently so weak, no?

                Why? No one bothers to teach pilots, including such an application of KR
                Quote: patsantre
                Further: Speaking of target designation, I meant target designation within the radio horizon, i.e. 400 km. Further - very difficult

                But not impossible. There is an opinion that after the famous "Legend" we have a lot of interesting things in space ... I don't know if this is true or not, but in theory it is possible.
                Quote: patsantre
                Come on. These subsonic missiles will certainly be dismantled by Amer’s air defense.
                In order for 192 missiles to inflict significant damage to them (at the same time, for each Aegis cruiser / destroyer in AUG) there are about 30 missiles, they must be supersonic

                It’s not necessary at all - it’s not necessary, right, to absolve Aegis. There are many beautiful words about him, but in battle he had never yet shown himself.
                You see, all analysts trying to calculate the effectiveness of the same Ajis come from very many assumptions - and that the ships are a priori ready for battle, that the radars are on, that the AWAC is proudly flying and sees everything, and it also gives target designation SM6 :)))
                But the fact that it’s simple as a mumble is that at the AUG transition they generally try not to turn on radars (so as not to shine) and all reconnaissance is carried out in a passive mode (a pair of Growlers hanging around the order) and there is no round-the-clock DRLO on duty, because there are 4 machines for this it will not be enough ... all this is usually overlooked.
                Quote: patsantre
                Most likely even supersonic onyx (3 tons) with a range of 300 km (along a mixed path, again) will not fit into the Tu-160 drum.

                well, there is an opinion that Onyx flies not at all 300 km, but a little further :) And then - try to consider a complex attack, when several Tu-160s strike from far away, bringing down dozens of missile launchers on the AUG, with which, of course, the Aegis probably and they will cope, but when the air defense of the AUG approaches the saturation point, the missile salvo fires a single "Ash" ...
                You see, AUG can be destroyed. To do this, you just need an appropriate outfit of strength. And the strategists are so interesting in that they are able to very quickly add the power of their volley to the strike force, which under normal conditions, the AUG can not do anything.
              2. Don
                Don 30 October 2012 12: 12
                0
                Quote: patsantre
                If you direct the Tu-160 to fight with the AUGs (which is currently impossible at all), then YES decently so weaken, no?

                But why bother directing them to fight the AUGs? Firstly, there is the Tu-22M3, Tu-95, together with them, the naval aviation and the fleet should interact.
              3. rjhgec55v
                rjhgec55v 1 November 2012 18: 09
                0
                ??????????? We read the materiel and especially the headquarters exercises of the American fleet in the Persian Gulf in 1998 ... according to the plans of the exercises, the probable enemy (one American general spoke for him) is armed only with cruise missiles .. there are no planes (like bombed) the purpose of the exercises is to check the probability damage to aircraft carriers ... TOTAL OF EXERCISES - ALL 5 AMERICAN FLEET IS FLOODED ... amer general and I recall these exercises were carried out only on maps and damage calculations were done on computers launched all missiles on the fleet .. about 500 pieces .. aircraft carriers could not repulse a volley attack 200 missiles ... amer. Quickly curtailed the teachings .. and this general was quickly dismissed ..
                So the protection of an aircraft carrier is zilch ..... he is not able to defend himself !!! from 2-3 missiles yes, but from 100 no longer .. so there is no need to drive tales about the insecurity of aircraft carriers here .. This, by the way, is one of the reasons for the Soviet Union's refusal to build aircraft carriers in the event of a war ... it’s too easy to sink them ... and amers use them only against countries that cannot retaliate a massive strike against the fleet
            2. Windbreak
              Windbreak 25 October 2012 22: 52
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              X-65 (anti-ship modification X-55), developed back in the 80-ies flew on 500-600 km http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x65.html
              Have you watched the link yourself? X-65 with a range of 500-600 km is designed to destroy ground targets. And the anti-ship rocket X-65SE has a range of 250-280 km
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 October 2012 07: 12
                +1
                Quote: Burel
                did you watch the link yourself?

                Actually watched. But yes, my blooper - for some reason I always think that the X-65 was anti-ship. Glitch some in memory.
                But if you figure it out that way - the X-65 is a stripped-down version of the X-55, with a limited range. And the ancestor flew both on 2500 and on 3000 km. To make something subsonic in its dimensions, flying low and on 1200-1500 km - no problem
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 25 October 2012 23: 28
            +1
            Quote: patsantre
            And he is unlikely to fly without dying at the launch distance, even if he solves problems with target designation.

            Targeting problems will be resolved within a year.
            The new system will replace the Soviet Legend targeting system


            In 2013, Roscosmos and the Russian Ministry of Defense will complete the creation of the latest Russian satellite intelligence system Liana in orbit. It will consist of four latest radar reconnaissance satellites, which will be based at an altitude of about 1 thousand km above the planet’s surface and constantly scan ground, air and sea space for the presence of enemy targets.
            That's where it is.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 October 2012 07: 13
              +2
              And there was something else interesting, EMNIP Kvazar called
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 26 October 2012 12: 42
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                And there was something else interesting, EMNIP Kvazar called

                The ICRC itself is alive, there is a temporary problem with satellites that is being quickly resolved at the moment.
          3. rjhgec55v
            rjhgec55v 1 November 2012 18: 01
            0
            Maybe take more !!!! There is simply an agreement with the Americans that the bomber takes missiles only in the internal compartments .. and so they can be broadcast on external slots ... TU-95 can carry up to 18 missiles, TU-160 I don’t remember exactly, but about 10 it will take exactly ..
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 12: 04
    +9
    Generally interesting somehow. We are now listed in the Air Force of order 600 front-line aircraft (Su-24,24,34) and 800 fighters (Mig-29,31, Su-27,30,35) and 130 reconnaissance (Mig-25, Su-24) not counting the strategists, BTA, and so on. I do not know how many of them can actually perform combat missions - or even fly at all. Suppose that half, i.e. 1500. But even more so, I don’t understand how 750-330 of new machines (PAK FA, Su-350, Su-35 / 30СМ27, Su-3) can replace the indicated quantity ...
    And this is despite the fact that the Tu-160,95 strategists and the Tu-22М3 missile carriers do not ring at all - we have 204 machines. Until 2020 g, their replacement is not provided.
    So the words "landslide reduction" rather than "global rearmament" come to mind ...
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 25 October 2012 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      So the words "landslide reduction" rather than "global rearmament" come to mind ...


      So I wondered this question.

      I wanted to know how much will be debited during this time?
      and what will be the total number of aircraft in 2020?
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 25 October 2012 13: 51
        0
        It’s better not to think about it - you’ll sleep more calmly!
        If you listen to how exactly they plan to finance these programs, it will become even more nasty ...
        Here we read about Wishlist, and there are also those who have to give money, but they are not going to give it at all - and they are ready to excuses for disrupting financing ...
      2. neznayka
        neznayka 25 October 2012 14: 03
        0
        In general, I agree. But this is still better than simply writing off and not putting anything new into operation. And I really want to believe that these are only the first, even timid steps in the right direction.
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: dimanf
        I wanted to know how much will be debited during this time?

        Indeed, it is better not to ask :(
        Because there was practically no supply of new equipment either in the 2000's or in the 90's. Maybe at the very beginning of the 90's there was something. Well, planes 80-x to 2020 g will gain age from 30 to 40 years! In fact, everything that we have now for 2020 will have to be written off, with the possible exception of those aircraft that have been modernized in recent years - here they may have enough resources and up to 2030. And maybe it’s not enough, here the respected Veteran once very unflattering about these upgrades spoke.
        And the total ... Well, probably so
        T-50 - pieces 50-60
        Su-xnumx - well, if xnumx
        Su-34 - well, let it be 150 for an even account (ordered 129)
        Su-30 - 34
        Su-27СМ3 - 12
        Su-xnumx upgraded - xnumx
        Su-xnumx upgraded - xnumx-xnumx
        Su-xnumx upgraded - xnumx
        Mig-29СМт / УБТ - 34
        MIG-31 Upgraded - 60
        Those. if we consider that all modernized aircraft will be able to serve after the 2020, and all dreams of new deliveries will come true then - about 710 machines.
        I’m writing offhand, without crawling over the sources, so don’t seek, if that, but I shouldn’t make a big mistake
        Well, according to the strategists ...
        Tu-95 is probably all. The planes are super, but once there was time for them to rest! And so - 16 Tu-160 and 30 Tu-22М3.
        1. dimanf
          dimanf 25 October 2012 14: 24
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          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Those. if we consider that all modernized aircraft will be able to serve after the 2020, and all dreams of new deliveries will come true then - about 710 machines.


          thanks "made me happy".
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 25 October 2012 20: 15
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          Today, news about the supply of MiG-35 climbed. Previously, there were no procurement plans. I don’t think that the MiG is capable of overclocking production strongly, because everything was profiled in the 90 years, but it will be able to give pieces of 60-70 machines to the 20 year.
          I think that in this way the government wants to put everything at least a little alive on its feet.
          Although I would concentrate MiG on UAVs. It's time to think about the future.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 20: 28
            +1
            God grant. Because there is probably no reason to expect more from the existing Su factories than what is currently awarded to the contracts. They do it too - for a feat. And the Mig-35 is a good, suitable car, and at the same time relatively inexpensive.
        3. Don
          Don 30 October 2012 12: 22
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          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Mig-29СМт / УБТ - 34

          And the rest of the MiG-29 where did it go? Or do you think they will not be upgraded? Then they would write about the MiG-35, for two squadrons already agreed, I think they will buy even more by 2020.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Su-xnumx upgraded - xnumx

          This does not mean that another 200 will not be upgraded to Su-27SM. And similarly with the MiG-31.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          MIG-31 Upgraded - 60

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Tu-95 is probably all. The planes are super, but once there’s time for them to rest

          Several dozens will undergo modernization to the Tu95MSM version from 2013, they will be able to carry X-101 missiles, and will last until 2020-2025
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          30 Tu-22M3.

          In February 2012, a contract was signed to upgrade 30 Tu-22M3 to the level of Tu-22M3M. And in 2013 or 2014 they can sign a new contract.
    2. Lucky
      Lucky 26 October 2012 23: 54
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      The rest will be modernized in some part!
  8. dimarm74
    dimarm74 25 October 2012 13: 03
    +1
    Tu-22M3 only readily looks like three dozen .... they will probably be upgraded ... And the remaining 90 cars? They already seem to have been stolen for parts
  9. Tsar Ivan the First
    Tsar Ivan the First 25 October 2012 19: 37
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    Gentlemen, we will break through, at all times it was bad for the Russian people, but we have survived and will stand here, we don’t have to be LISTERS, gentlemen! OUR FUTURE CHILDREN, GRANDS, ELIGIBILES ARE FOR US AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IS HOLY RUSSIA soldier
  10. rkka
    rkka 25 October 2012 20: 49
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    Gentlemen, has anyone met on the Internet research on the prospects of using strategic bombers in the modern development of air defense? I'm just wondering if we need PACDA? After all, this is a lot of money, is it not better to send it to the construction of the SSBN?
    I think everyone will agree that in the event of war, bombers will be a priority goal, and will not live up to their task. At the same time for
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    take off from somewhere a thread from under Saratov and, having shot back from an inaccessible air defense, it is far to erase Japan in dust
    , as well as for constant barrage near the borders of a hostile state, you can convert some sort of IL-76 into a bomber (which will be cheaper every 10 times than a pack).
    What do people think?
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 28 October 2012 10: 55
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      Quote: rkka
      ... After all, this is a lot of money, is it not better to send it to the construction of the SSBN? ....

      Rogozin also raised this topic, which aroused the indignation of some officials. In my opinion, a nuclear warhead (and anti-ship missiles) is more in place on a nuclear submarine, which is much more difficult to detect, and it can be under the enemy’s nose for months. And front-line aviation will cope with tactical tasks.

      Although, as a means of pressure (hanging out in the immediate vicinity of the border of a state), YES may be needed.
  11. 916-th
    916-th 25 October 2012 21: 00
    -1
    As you can see, the Ministry of Defense has huge plans for the next eight years. The development of four trillion rubles will be associated with some specific problems, primarily of a production nature.

    How to "cut" such an array more quickly is the main specific problem of woodworkers from MO.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 21: 50
      +2
      Quote: 916
      How to "cut" such an array more quickly is the main specific problem of woodworkers from MO.

      It seems that the investigators took up the "sawflies" a little ... http: //www.vz.ru/news/2012/10/25/604165.print.html
      1. 916-th
        916-th 26 October 2012 08: 24
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        Andrey, thanks for the link! Is it possible that they have seen the Kremlin?

        In "Picture of the Day" on our website there is a commentary by Ivashov on this topic: http://warfiles.ru/show-16270-ivashov-serdyukova-skoree-vsego-budut-snimat-i-saz
        hat.html

        Most of all I was surprised by the last remark of Ivashov: “Apparently, Putin needed time to gather information and cut this Gordian knot,” concluded Leonid Ivashov.

        Usually Ivashov is more radical against Putin.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 October 2012 14: 58
          +2
          I don’t know, honestly :))) There are two options here ... it may also turn out that a couple of our minister’s concubines will be sent to places not so remote, and he will continue to himself as if nothing had happened.
          But one must remember that Serdyukov is probably the most unpopular Putin minister. Which is also clearly stolen not by rank. Remember, there may be a proverb: "a gentleman is not someone who does not steal, a gentleman is someone who does not come across ..."
          And perhaps it will really put a cross on it.
          After all, what happens is that the minister is covered at the lady's apartment, and notified of the genuine interest of the competent authorities both in his lady and in the charitable institution she heads (Oboronservice). by the sleeves of the investigators in Oboronservis ... but they do not grab! Then, out of grief, having missed the plein air of the government and something in the Duma, Serdyukov, in the best traditions of a domestic businessman, prejudiced for plundering the people's property, makes a statement in the style: "I am not me and this sirloin is not mine !!!" (this is when, in his speech, he promised to closely follow ... and, as if by chance, let slip that the Defense Ministry headed by him, of course, has nothing to do with Oboronservice - this is not an MO structure! This is a separate legal entity, with its own charter (and I don't care that Serdyukov himself was the chairman of the board of directors there until 2011) :))))
          After that, Serdyukov rushes to Putin (apparently with a shout - "Vova, how is that? !!!") .... and he shaves him off - they say, friend, do not interfere with the investigation, they are literate people, they will figure it out. ... we do not imprison the innocent laughing laughing laughing
          So we will see. But if everything goes away like NADO ... and the investigators will dig up what they need, it’s not 3 that will be revealed, but 33 billion of abuses. And Serdyukov will have to answer for it ... and then I will say - there is God in the world! THIS IS YOU DEMAND DOG, FOR VALERY MOROZOVA !!!
  12. mazdie
    mazdie 25 October 2012 22: 26
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    And it seems to me the whole point is in promising hypersonic missiles, and these vehicles will most likely be carriers.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2012 22: 42
      +1
      There was a rumor that the PAK YES is a hypersonic plane :))) Well, rumors - they are rumors, but there are no confirmed sources.
  13. krutishka
    krutishka 26 October 2012 11: 56
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    Damn, I'm reading the comments here, and I'm amazed - you say that by 2020, many of today's aircraft will be written off, and that the number that is planned to be supplied to the army cannot replace them ... The question is: what did you actually want ?! !? !!!! After such a downtime of the 90-2000s, we still need to rejoice that we are producing such a quantity, according to the plan, we should have already collapsed and "died" as a country .... but no, we are standing!
    We will all, the country has just risen from its knees, and you are demanding from it as from the USSR ....! Let the economy come to its senses, I am completely sure that if the policy pursued by Putin and his team succeeds, then we will unclench ourselves into such an accordion "that we will restore the former greatness of the USSR, and in the future we will grow even stronger!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 October 2012 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: krutishka
      The question is: what did you actually want? !!? !!!! After such an idle time, 90-2000s still need to rejoice that we produce such a quantity

      It's right
      Quote: krutishka
      I am completely sure that if the policy pursued by Putin and his team succeeds, then we will unclench ourselves into such an "accordion",

      Don't you notice any contradiction? :))) Well, if not, I remind you that the Russian Federation was formed at the end of 1991 The "dashing 90s" and the collapse of the economy began.
      After 9 years (in May, 2000) Putin came. Now we have October 2012. Kakbe passed more than 12 years. So I have a question - how much ELSE does the economy come to? Another 12 years? And then another 12?
      In 1914, the First World War began, into which the Russian Empire entered. The war ended for us in defeat, Tsarism fell, a civil war began, ending in 1923 ... 9 terrible years of bloody wars.
      And after 14 years (in 1937 year) industrial production of the USSR became one of the first countries in the world (seemingly second place in industrial production), with 80% of all industrial products received at enterprises newly built or completely reconstructed over the years 1 and 2 th fiveyears. About such things as the introduction of universal school education, electrification of the country, a sharp rise in science, I generally keep quiet.
      Do you see anything like this today ?!
      Then do not talk about the might of the USSR, which we "under the leadership of the great ..." will certainly achieve.
      Especially about the team amused. Or do not read what thing happened with Serdyukov?
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 28 October 2012 11: 07
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        .......... Electrification of the country

        Do you know where the electrification plans for the whole country come from?
        They took the plans drawn up under the king, and the terms of their implementation were reduced by an order of magnitude. If you find and read the details on the Internet by what methods these plans were implemented, your hair will stand on end.
  14. Lucky
    Lucky 26 October 2012 23: 57
    +1
    It’s just that the T-50 will be so good that it alone will immediately replace 10 aircraft, if they plan to put 20 before 50, then multiplying by 10 it turns out 500!
  15. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 28 October 2012 09: 59
    +1
    "...... The fact is that the Su-35S is considered as a kind of temporary measure in anticipation of a full transition to the T-50 .....".

    I wonder where this statement came from?
    Even the United States, with its not-so-frail economy, can’t afford the full transition to 5th generation aircraft.
    According to statistics, they have from the total number of fighters (together with the reserve 2158 pieces) 5th generation aircraft (F-22 Raptor) are just 139 pieces and the contract for them is closed.