Borrell: NATO may have deceived Russia, but that's history

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Borrell: NATO may have deceived Russia, but that's history

The chief diplomat of the European Union spoke about NATO's promises that the alliance once made to Russia, and the failure to fulfill which served as one of the reasons for the outbreak of a military conflict in Ukraine. The corresponding statement was made by Josep Borrell during a speech at the Charles of Antwerp Foundation in Madrid:

I am not satisfied with the reasoning and arguments by which many, including my friends, justify the aggression (of Russia) by the fact that NATO did not fulfill its promises. Perhaps it was. But it's already story. None of this justifies what is happening now.

Under the promises that the North Atlantic Alliance did not fulfill, the head of European diplomacy clearly means NATO's communication about non-expansion to the east. It is curious that Borrell entered into a correspondence discussion with some "friends", which clearly indicates internal disagreements in the EU countries and Brussels on this issue. This version was confirmed the day before by Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Jansa, who admitted that there is no unity among the leaders of the European Union on the issue of Ukraine's membership in the North Atlantic Alliance.



The head of the EU foreign policy department stressed that the European Union has "numerous obligations" to Kyiv, and by protecting Ukraine, Europe "defends itself." From this revelation it clearly follows that at least a part of the European leaders and politicians of the EU perceive themselves as a party to the conflict in the confrontation with Russia in Ukraine. At the same time, Borrell assured that assistance to Kyiv would be carried out in the economic, financial and military spheres for as long as needed.

The fact that Western politicians easily refuse promises and skillfully distort historical facts and events in their own interests has long been known. Attention should be paid to the subtext of Borrell's statements, perhaps, to those countries that still believe the promises and assurances of the United States and its allies. True, there are fewer of them, including thanks to such revelations of European diplomats.
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  1. +14
    12 October 2022 09: 16
    Barrel is an old man who has gone out of his mind and an empty-head. He does not make decisions in military terms. How many combat-ready divisions does he have? Does he have anything to do with the troops?
    1. +9
      12 October 2022 09: 22
      Most likely he survived, so he honestly admitted that the well-being of Europe is based on the resources of the Russian Federation and cheap Chinese labor, which many here did not believe in.
      1. +3
        12 October 2022 14: 46
        Borrell: Maybe NATO deceived Russia, but it's already history

        It is far unfinished story. This is the present, the reversal of which we are now witnessing. And no one knows how it will all end. But the beginning is known even to Borrell.
    2. +4
      12 October 2022 09: 24
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Barrel is an old man who has gone out of his mind and an empty-head. He does not make decisions in military terms. How many combat-ready divisions does he have? Does he have anything to do with the troops?

      I won’t say anything about divisions, but they say he’s not a fan of drinking - a professional!
      1. 0
        12 October 2022 11: 25
        Quote: isv000
        to plump, they say, not an amateur - a professional!

        Comrade is on the right path of Juncker ... just some kind of continuity!
    3. +14
      12 October 2022 09: 26
      Barrel is a crazy old man and a windbag

      Here you need to clarify a little: a barrel is a barrel of oil, and Borrell is a barrel of shit ... hi
      1. -2
        12 October 2022 09: 35
        Quote: impostor
        ... Attention should be paid to the subtext of Borrell's statements, perhaps, to those countries that still believe the promises and assurances of the United States and its allies ...

        The author modestly bypassed Russia, and it is our leadership that is primarily to blame for the expansion of NATO to the east, which is an example of the sluggish reaction of 2022 to the admission of Sweden and Finland to NATO.
        1. +2
          12 October 2022 09: 39
          Alas, it was already basically impossible to influence the process of entry of the Scandinavians, but you can’t ask the one who launched the expansion process from the very beginning ... hi
        2. +1
          12 October 2022 10: 02
          Quote: credo
          Quote: impostor
          ... Attention should be paid to the subtext of Borrell's statements, perhaps, to those countries that still believe the promises and assurances of the United States and its allies ...

          The author modestly bypassed Russia, and it is our leadership that is primarily to blame for the expansion of NATO to the east, which is an example of the sluggish reaction of 2022 to the admission of Sweden and Finland to NATO.

          It is very difficult for a Russian official to adequately respond to the expansion of NATO, when he has everything in the West - a villa, a bank account and even kids studying in Western universities ... Russia is not as dear to him as what has already been taken from here to the West ...
          1. -1
            12 October 2022 10: 09
            Yes, they don’t have villas already in the west and yachts, everything is confiscated, accounts are arrested.
            He taught his son 100 in England, though he also didn’t sit idly there. You need to work and not knock on the keys. I can knock, I’m resting from my past work.
            1. +1
              12 October 2022 11: 16
              Quote: tralflot1832
              .I can knock, I'm resting from my past work. And I still pay taxes, like all my life.

              Similarly drinks I will add, having acquired all kinds of sores, we continue our labor activity, in another field ... Small, small business to feed ... And we continue to pay taxes !!! I'll go to work!
          2. 0
            17 October 2022 11: 47
            It is very difficult for a Russian official to adequately respond to the expansion of NATO, when he has everything in the West - a villa, a bank account and even kids studying in Western universities ...

            If so, then it's hard. And are there any left? Can you give an example? Maybe Lavrov? Or Shoigu? Which decision makers fit your definitions?
            Drop the manual already and turn on the brain.
            ALL officials of any significance under sanctions have already confiscated their accounts and villas.
        3. CAM
          0
          12 October 2022 10: 09
          They have long been practically part of NATO. Regular exercises with NATO in Finland and Sweden + weapons and control according to the standard
      2. +2
        12 October 2022 09: 38
        Moreover, the barrel whose bottom fell out due to old age! hi
    4. +2
      12 October 2022 09: 49
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Barrel is a mad old man and an empty-headed...

      Guess from the first time what is the difference between Can and Barel? YES IN NOTHING - these are two talking heads for whom someone makes a decision (stealing money Cans make a decision for themselves or at a family council), and the decision-making center is the same for everyone.
    5. +3
      12 October 2022 09: 57
      If for the last relic of the Cold War - the military alliance of NATO and the Eurostad with the tag "EU", this is already "history", then for Russia such deceptions have no "statute of limitations". With all the "following from here" for permanent Western liars, their lackeys and potential "neophytes" ...

      Behind this, this is not "history", but the present and future, as for everything so-called. of the "civilized" West, and for those who intend to entertain themselves with such "deceptions" of Moscow in the future ...
    6. +1
      12 October 2022 10: 07
      Which once again proves that you don’t need to talk to a wolf pack.
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    1. +4
      12 October 2022 09: 28
      in football it is called - the moment played
  3. +7
    12 October 2022 09: 19
    What then prevents us from not fulfilling other agreements with the EU.
    After a while it will be history.
    And it will be possible to say: "None of this justifies what is happening now."
    1. +4
      12 October 2022 09: 29
      there are written contracts, but there are rhymes about nothing (although the states put this and that in their own interests)
      1. 0
        12 October 2022 10: 24
        there are written contracts, but there are rhymes about nothing

        Sometimes unwritten informal agreements are observed very clearly (for example, when in the early 70s the right to decide on the use of tactical nuclear weapons was removed from the regiment / division level).
        although the states put on this and that in their own interests

        I agree. The promise not to expand NATO is an example of this. In general, the negotiability of the West is a big question.
  4. +3
    12 October 2022 09: 21
    I am not satisfied with the arguments and arguments with which many, including my friends, justify the aggression (of Russia) by the fact that NATO did not fulfill its promises. Perhaps it was. But that's history. None of this justifies what is happening now.

    To whom do I owe everyone forgiveness? Well, well ... And what is happening now is a clear illustration of what awaits you. Now here's another blow to dust the air defense you set up and - voila! - you will walk with wet pants and longingly look at the sky, in hopeless expectation. Even a third of what the Ukrainians caught will be a collapse for you ...
    1. 0
      12 October 2022 09: 31
      They will still beg for us to occupy them.
      1. 0
        12 October 2022 09: 34
        Quote: Alexander Salenko
        They will still beg for us to occupy them.

        If only according to the version of East Prussia, now - the Kaliningrad region!
      2. +1
        12 October 2022 10: 09
        Quote: Alexander Salenko
        They will still beg for us to occupy them.

        So far, they are begging to extend the "grain corridor" for a year. Wait! To continue to drive weapons to Odessa. This time, the Russian Federation will not fall for the same bait.
    2. 0
      12 October 2022 10: 09
      Quote: isv000
      Even a third of what the Ukrainians caught will be a collapse for you ...

      For Ukrainians, this has not yet become a collapse. What would become of Europe? No, it will need even more rockets.
      1. 0
        12 October 2022 10: 15
        Quote: Plate
        Quote: isv000
        Even a third of what the Ukrainians caught will be a collapse for you ...

        For Ukrainians, this has not yet become a collapse. What would become of Europe? No, it will need even more rockets.

        Look at the gas stations in Europe and imagine that at least 20% of the energy system will be de-energized there today, what will happen there?! Ukrainians are Slavs, they will at least make a fire, but what can these people do? To hold a protest in a suit of frozen poop?!
        1. 0
          12 October 2022 13: 26
          Don't the Germans know how to make fires? It seems to be a simple matter, I can cope even without special training.
  5. +3
    12 October 2022 09: 23
    The head of the EU foreign policy department stressed that the European Union has "numerous obligations" to Kyiv, and by protecting Ukraine, Europe "defends itself."

    For a couple more years, this entity will stay (there are no real cases of establishing "foreign affairs" from him) in the rank of the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. Then he will be replaced, and we will all forget him. Does it make sense to discuss his statements at all, especially since the EU today is not a subject, but an object in friction between the US, Russia and China? At the same time, one must understand that politicians in Europe are not held accountable for their political speeches. So Borrell's confessions about deceiving Russia by Europe are worth less than the electricity spent on the microphone.
  6. +7
    12 October 2022 09: 24
    Zbigniew Brzezinski, "The External Chessboard of America's Supremacy", 1998: "After the victory over communism, we need a split in Orthodoxy and the collapse of Russia, and Ukraine will help us in this, where betrayal is the norm of public morality."

    Actually, well, what else to say - everything has been said before ...
  7. Mwg
    +3
    12 October 2022 09: 26
    "Maybe it was. But that's history." - A typical liberalist statement. NATO attacks the Russian Federation not in the past, but here and now. And yes, that's a story too. History is everything that happened, is happening and will happen. If the chief diplomat of the European Union misrepresents the concept of "history" and manipulates the chronology, then is there any point in incriminating smaller liberals? Only repressive measures will sober up such figures. They, probably, for sobriety should sit in the dark, cold and without basic hygiene products. And long enough.
  8. +2
    12 October 2022 09: 26
    Borrell: NATO may have deceived Russia, but that's history
    . And what is it, what to tell us what to consider "history", and what to consider a threat, a disaster for us ...
    No face, empty deeds and words.
  9. +2
    12 October 2022 09: 26
    Well, think about something there once promised. It was a long time ago and it's not true.
    Or, as in football, they played a moment.
  10. +1
    12 October 2022 09: 29
    Obviously, negotiations can only start when we start to win. Then they will run after us and cajole. And now, there will be no negotiations. No need to chatter, you need to do everything to win, without restrictions in strength and means.
  11. +3
    12 October 2022 09: 29
    Refine the reasoning. Once upon a time you sat with your ass on a cold stone - this is history, but the fact that your butt is now blowing your nose is the present and a consequence of that story.
    Are all such idiots there in the EU?
  12. KCA
    +1
    12 October 2022 09: 30
    Well, how is it possible, and his last name was distorted, his last name is Borodach, and the phrase was distorted, he said "Understand and forgive ..."
  13. +3
    12 October 2022 09: 32
    So what is he whining about .... today Russia is writing a new history and correcting historical mistakes, working on "mistakes" is always a painful task .... They wrote in 1917, in 1945, in 1991 and now we will write ...., not for everyone she likes it, but...
  14. +1
    12 October 2022 09: 36
    Borrell: Perhaps in NATO and cheated Russia, but that's history
    So, "understand and forgive"? And who will pay for the banquet for NATO?
  15. +2
    12 October 2022 09: 40
    Borrell: NATO may have deceived Russia, but that's history

    And what, forgive you? belay
    No, one way or another, you have to pay for everything. And the standard of living of their fellow citizens, their health, and some of their existence.
    You will pay for everything!!! am
    1. kin
      -3
      12 October 2022 09: 51
      you have to pay for everything

      Whom will they have to pay?
      I know for sure that we will have to pay more for utilities, for groceries in stores, for many, many things.
    2. +1
      12 October 2022 09: 52
      No, one way or another, you have to pay for everything. And the standard of living of their fellow citizens, their health, and some of their existence.
      You will pay for everything!!!
      So borrel probably meant it. You never know that once Europe lived well. Everyone, forget it. Now Europe is a dirty, smelly rogue, and all that was is already history.
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  18. Two
    +1
    12 October 2022 09: 48
    hi It is amazing how easily this balabol appropriated the category of a politician - a mentor for Russia! Lavrov already put him in his place, but he forgot along the way! Old age...
  19. +1
    12 October 2022 09: 49
    many, including my friendsjustify aggression

    This is the core of the presentation. This is "pale".
    Now "friends" will begin to unsubscribe in public, otherwise - "Peacemaker".
  20. -3
    12 October 2022 09: 49
    Well, how not to deceive those who "with their own" gouged their country in 1991? It's just a sin, don't cheat. Fools should be taught only in this way!
  21. +1
    12 October 2022 09: 52
    Quote: novel xnumx
    in football it is called - the moment played

    And in hockey for this they break on board drinks
  22. +2
    12 October 2022 10: 01
    A very Anglo-Saxon answer. from a European). "All these are promises of the previous administration", they say, forget it, everything is already in the past and nothing can be changed. Let's go to a bright future! Oh, are your legs broken by us bothering you? But that was so long ago, so it doesn't matter! All this with a trademark wide Western smile.
    I personally never expected anything else from the West. And millions of my compatriots did not wait either. Who can explain to me why our authorities were "deceived"?! They scoop out billion after billion from the treasury every day, and the quality of their work?
    Oh, we were deceived! Turns out! Suddenly! And we generally expected something completely different from expensive Western partners! I have at my disposal intelligence data, herds of economic analysts, my own experience of constant meetings with Europeans and Anglo-Saxons, so I, having put it all together, so that's liquid of that ... this ... was mistaken! Fulfilling your direct duties! As a consolation, I will receive a salary of 500-700 million as I do, well, I will steal a couple of billion more this month. To fix the nerves shattered by Western "treachery". Just wonderful...
    1. +1
      12 October 2022 11: 08
      Who can explain to me why our authorities were "deceived"?!

      Because the authorities in the 80s saw that dogmas hindered further progress in the development of the state, but instead of abandoning only part of the dogmas, they demolished everything that was connected with communism. Instead of giving economic freedom to some of the enterprising citizens and raising their entrepreneurs on their basis (repeating the NEP), they simply tried to crush state property, and when they felt like "talented entrepreneurs who managed to navigate the market," they were "with enthusiastically" were accepted by the West, after which it cost nothing for the West to manipulate such "talents", since even for the West they became ordinary criminals and corrupt officials, which was enough just to remind during the negotiations. Even an outbreak of nationalism is only a consequence of preparations for the division of state property.
  23. 0
    12 October 2022 10: 05
    Perhaps the state of Ukraine once existed for a short time, but this is already History ...
  24. 0
    12 October 2022 10: 13
    But that's history.

    No matter how they began to talk about the EU itself in the future.
  25. 0
    12 October 2022 10: 17
    It was like this in our childhood in Rostov - he gave the word to the boy, keep it so that it doesn’t become. I didn’t hold back - I rolled for a bolobol and got hurt by a lyuley. It's a pity this old man did not grow up according to such laws.
    1. +1
      12 October 2022 11: 14
      Maybe because that generation of children was brought up on such works as L. Panteleev's "Honest Word"?
  26. 0
    12 October 2022 11: 30
    Perhaps it was. But that's history. None of this justifies what is happening now.

    Seriously? Perhaps for an aquarium fish with a limited memory, but not for us! angry
  27. 0
    12 October 2022 11: 38
    Perhaps in Russia they believed NATO, but that's history!
  28. 0
    12 October 2022 18: 08
    Perhaps NATO deceived Russia, but that's history

    #understandthisother
  29. 0
    13 October 2022 01: 54
    History tends to repeat itself... especially when its lessons are ignored. Does anyone in the West remember this, or is everyone there just bronzed from their "exclusivity"?
  30. 0
    13 October 2022 06: 07
    I wonder why such promises were made ???? because no one does anything just like that .....
  31. 0
    17 October 2022 01: 35
    Barrel anticipates the great defeat of Ukraine, it remains only for him to work out his master's place, bringing any blizzard to Russia