Purchase of field camps

Before the 2015, the Russian military will procure 22 field autonomous camps worth 9,8 billion rubles for combat training at the testing grounds, said Russian Deputy Defense Minister General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov at a meeting of the Public Council under the Russian Defense Ministry.

Earlier, the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for logistics Alexander Kolpakov reported to RIA Newsthat in the near future, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation expects to deploy 12 such field camps to 6 thousand people on Ashuluk.

"A total of 9,8 billion rubles will be purchased for 22 camps, which will provide accommodation in the field 12 thousands of soldiers. In these camps, all conditions for comfortable living of military personnel engaged in combat activities," - said Bulgakov.

He recalled that in the 2010 and 2011 years, the RF Ministry of Defense purchased two such camps for installation at the Mulinsky (Nizhny Novgorod region) and Chebarkulsky (Chelyabinsk region) test sites. Bulgakov added that in the current year four field camps had already been delivered to Ashuluk, and by the end of the year two more such kits would go there.

"By 2015, the 24 modern field camps will be made up in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: the Southern Military District - 12 kits, the West - eight kits, the Central - three kits, and the Eastern one - one," the deputy defense minister said.

Comments

[Sasha 19871987]

good deed ... I wonder how these tents are worse or better than canvas ....

[crazyrom]

And these photos are also tarpaulins ... Only it’s kind of not just tents but with some kind of internal layout, they have some kind of dressing room, it’s clear that they don’t really ventilate the room at the entrance / exit, well, the windows are transparent, it’s also good in the afternoon it will be light.

[Joker]

That’s right, we have to take care of the soldiers, the field camps will always come in handy, especially in case of war.

[itr]

This is what they did to the ground around the tents ?? Poor soldiers !!!

[vorobey]

Well done for upgrading the design. A metal frame to which the entire tent is tied. And the top awning is not only camouflage, but also additional protection from sun heating. In summer, such tents are like a sauna. Although the sides will still be raised. The stove used to be placed in the center, I wonder what it is like here.

[DIMS]

They will not raise the sides, there are air conditioners

http://twower.livejournal.com/843717.html

[Joker]

It would be nice to put solar panels there, so that in which case you could live autonomously. Now I have noticed this technology is becoming more and more widespread, especially among tourists who go camping.

[DIMS]

To Chubais a question. From a year or two ago, he promised to establish the production of cheap solar panels in Mordovia

However, I do not think that they are necessary for such field camps. All the same, they will be put on landfills, where usually there is a centralized energy supply.

Solar panels are needed for other types of tents used in combat conditions. Together with modern economical "potbelly stoves". There are those for whom a couple of logs are enough for the whole night.

[DIMS]

The voice against seems to be from someone who has never lived in tents.

[strannik595]

in fact, normal people first buy an apartment, and then furniture, but on the contrary, we bought field furniture first, and now they plan field apartments

[TUNISIA]

It is necessary to create normal conditions, but without fanaticism. The hardening of our soldiers to the adaptability of life in almost all conditions compares them favorably with the same NATO members, who are accustomed to capitalist comfort, including in war. Not everything is solved with the help of machine guns and rockets. Frost, sun, wind and blizzard - were our allies in all wars. In particular, thanks to them, the fighters won in one direction or another of the effeminate cats of capitalism)))

[Pimply]

A person gets used to any shit, be it NATO or a Russian soldier. Hardening is usually spoken about by those who did not live in the field, or in combat. The higher the comfort - the less is the soldier’s fatigue, the soldier is less sick in a warm tent, and that means he can be more effective.

[TUNISIA]

Several times at different times of the year for six months he lived in tents in the Caucasus mountains and naturally took part in the CTO, during which they lay motionless for several days buried in the snow. So what about "hardening" you are wrong about me. Apparently, you just misunderstood what I wanted to say. Yes, there were cases of diseases among the fighters, but isolated and rather rare. And of course there were "potbelly stoves", but they drowned them on condition of saving firewood.

[Pimply]

I’m talking about the following - while there is an opportunity to provide the soldier with comfort - he must be provided. To the maximum. You get used to the lack of comfort very quickly, and here it is not a matter of the greenhouse of some soldiers or the hardening of others. If it is possible to give good, you must give, because you have to take care of the soldier.

[Mikado]

Quote: TUNISIA

Frost, sun, wind and blizzard - were our allies in all wars

This nonsense was invented by the French and Germans in order to somehow justify their defeats, that it was not the Russian Vanya who defeated them with his courage and skill, but the weather conditions. Believe me, our armies suffered from the weather conditions no less than the French and Germans.

[predator.2]

I remember winter exercises at the Lvov training center, when we lived in our tents, where we took turns stoking a small stove all night long, and these tents, compared to ours, are like 5-star hotels, of course it would be desirable to set up their production in Russia.

[antiaircrafter]

If all this nonsense would only be at the training ground and would not be part of the brigade’s property set, then it would not be worth bothering. It is easier to build sia-stationary houses.

[DIMS]

Houses are more expensive. And they are difficult to move.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: DIMS

Houses are more expensive. And they are difficult to move.

But more reliable and more durable. and you will only need to move them with the polygon. And polygons do not mix for decades.

[IRBIS]

Here I took the calculator in my hands and went a little crazy - they really go at the price of a "five-star" hotel! It is clear that the lack of proper rear services in the new guise of troops should be compensated for. After all, now the battalion simply does not have the opportunity to deploy its own field camp. But in the old days in training centers, such camps were stationary and tents were set up almost exclusively for exercises. And a permanently standing field camp will turn into dust after two or three years of continuous operation, and even earlier in extreme climates. It's like with a set of uniforms for 35 thousand, money is nowhere to go? Or someone's wife owns a tent sewing factory?

[Pimply]

Quality things, unfortunately, are rarely cheap. These are field camps that can be folded and transported quickly. And rejoice that you finally began to understand the simple truth that a soldier should be dressed in high-quality uniform and sleep in normal conditions.

[bask]

In winter and autumn, of course, we need "40-foot shift trailers," not tents. They stamped out so many of them for gas and oil workers. I lived in one for a while. It's beautiful, -35 outside and +35 inside, and no coal. The Ministry of Defense needs to fork out. We need to take care of soldiers in Russia, finally!!! The only problem is the convenience in the yard. But that's a small thing. The main thing is the bathhouse in the neighboring trailer...

[Pimply]

In such tents, too, everything is OK. And they, when folded, take up less space and are more spacious.

[Volkhov]

This is not for soldiers - officials for evacuation, they will be taken to the foothills. After all, they have German cars too, so unification.

[andrey903]

At landfills, you can install beams. Warmer and cheaper

[orfo]

http://abunda.ru/print:page,1,107456-novyj-polevoj-lager-59-foto.html

I hope they will buy such a camp, there are a lot of photos

[DIMS]

So this they are, procured.

[dirty trick]

Quote: sasha 19871987

good deed ... I wonder how these tents are worse or better than canvas ....

Quote: Joker

That’s right, we have to take care of the soldiers, the field camps will always come in handy, especially in case of war.

I don’t understand what the comrades are happy in the first comments? We buy German camps! Compare the photo at the beginning of the article with these:
http://twower.livejournal.com/843717.html
I think that it would be more reasonable to build stationary camps as suggested above:

Quote: antiaircrafter

It is easier to build sia-stationary houses.

either develop and produce similar in Russia!

[DIMS]

In the meantime, the development will continue, the soldiers and rotten camp tents will cost. Well, you can. After all, the income of a domestic manufacturer is a thing incomparably more important than the health of some military personnel.

[Pimply]

Dear, while the court and the case, are you suggesting that the soldiers in the tents blown by all the winds live and earn pneumonia?

[bask]

But why "rotten" and "blown through"? From the end of April to the end of September, the Ashuluk training ground had wonderful, mostly hot weather. And the Soviet canvas tents were not blown through at all. Although in May there were real dust storms for weeks. You probably saw them in Israel. No one got pneumonia. The main thing is not to go crazy. And not to live in tents in the winter at -30, 40 degrees.

[Pimply]

I did not talk about the rotten. It’s just that I managed to spend winter in old tents in Israel (for Russia it's like autumn, I think, from 0 to 10, stoves in a solarium.

But the German tents are just designed to - 40, and were tested in Russia in the Arctic.

Therefore, I repeat - a good camp. Life does not stand still. And then - you are talking about one training ground, and about one specific situation. Well, how will the other place be, and the weather will be different?

[Leisure]

Peace Camp.

[DIMS]

Why not? In ancient Soviet times, units in full force went to summer camps. With all the personnel, equipment and weapons.

[bask]

Hi Dims. Here in the "ancient Soviet" times during my military service at the Ashuluk training ground in the late 80s. These same summer camps were deployed. Simple canvas tents, it was fun and no one caught a cold. It was hot of course, up to + 45 in the shade, but there were a lot of watermelons in the melon field ..., but otherwise super, I remember with pleasure. And also the air defense of the GDR, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland. But they did not live in tents, in cool carriages with canders. So they managed to quickly join NATO, you know, they loved comfort,,,

[DIMS]

Welcome.
Well, this is someone as lucky. We had to dry footcloths under the sheets.

Well, comfort is a necessary thing. There is nothing to grow dirt.

[bask]

Yes, we were not covered in mud and there were no insects. Summer "shower", four wooden sleepers + 200 liter barrel, the rest were pieces of tarpaulin. During the day, the water probably did not boil. The main thing is army order and FAITH that you serve your people, become the Motherland, and not a bunch of oligarchs and the like....

[Pimply]

Correctly. And you can also wipe yourself with newspapers, there is a reserve from the 1979 year of freezing, and run around in kirzach. But you must admit that it’s somehow better and healthier to eat fresh, run in sneakers, and wipe yourself with normal toilet paper.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pimply

and wipe it off with normal toilet paper.

Zhenya, the whole world will soon begin to wipe itself, but as soon as it’s normal, you’ll tell me later

[Pimply]

Sasha, they talk so much about this - for example, when the euro appeared. And where is the Euro now?
The strength of the United States is not in the printing press - there, Zimbabwe also printed grandmothers, was stamped before hyperinflation. They are simply, at the moment, the strongest economy in the world. In this case, unlike China, where there is a huge gap in incomes of the population, and where the economy has risen on cheap labor, the United States has a balance.

[leon-iv]

HZ let's see when there will be oil disruptions. For with the economy they are completely tied to oil. And energy for coal.

[Pimply]

They have reserves and reserve deposits that they do not develop. And in parallel, they, so to speak, are developing alternative energy sources and are actively sponsoring research in this area.

[leon-iv]

developing alternative energy sources
Which of them can replace oil? By energy output per kilogram of products.
which they do not develop.
Name sister! (c)

[Pimply]

So far, no. However, mixtures with ethanol are actively used, for example, various additives, the headstock is actively investing in renewable energy sources. And, again, they have reserve reserves and many mothballed deposits - this is in the unlikely event that they do not have oil supplies from dozens of current sources.

Oil reserves in the United States are approximately 4 billion tons (2,2% of the global). The US share in world oil production is 11,5% (2005). The largest areas of oil production are the southwestern states: Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, New Mexico, which supply almost half of the oil produced in the country. Within this region, oil is also developed on the shelf of the Gulf of Mexico.
The second important oil production and distribution area is the Pacific coast of California (from the port of San Luis to the city of Los Angeles), as well as the area to the southeast of this line. More than 50 million tons of oil (14%) of the country's total oil production is produced here). Northern Alaska became the new oil production area, where in the 1960-ies large deposits of liquid fuel were explored near Pradkho Bay with reserves of more than 1,5 billion tons, the North Shlore field is 1,3 billion tons. At least 100 million is produced annually in Alaska. tons of oil.

Coal is mined in 15 US states. The main coal districts are associated with one of the largest Appalachian basins in the east of the country. In terms of proven coal reserves, its production and export, the United States is in the top three countries.
In terms of oil production, it ranks 2 in the world after Saudi Arabia, and in gas production - also 2, but after Russia. The main oil and gas fields are located in the south of the country in the states of Texas and Louisiana and in the west in California. However, now many wells in the south of the country are mothballed, oil production is practically curtailed. The oil reserves of the southern states are seen as a strategic resource, a kind of untouchable reserve, for the future. The most important and most promising oil producing region in the USA is Alaska. Oil is extracted here in the far north of the state. This is the northernmost oil producing region of the planet.

[leon-iv]

Alaska annually produces at least 100 million tons of oil.
Clear. So amers begin to seam with oil in Alaska for this reason.
The pipeline that goes there is external, that is, not buried in the ground. Initially, about 750 ml barrels per day were supplied through it, now 500 will be 350, the pipeline is finished because bitumen will start to form. So Alaska will soon be finished.
And what do they have there with Atomka full Zhenya Olya Polina Alena. Because the US is critically behind Russia in technology both in nuclear reactors and in enrichment methods. And without nuclear power plants there is no future for energy. And only Russia has a conditionally closed nuclear cycle. As in 14 they launch BN-800 will already be complete.

[Pimply]

Laziness, you know how much this seam was predicted. Lack of future. AND? Without a nuclear power plant there is no future - and the men don’t even know, therefore they are actively developing new technologies and investing loot in them.

[leon-iv]

therefore, they are actively developing new technologies and investing loot in them.
What kind of breakthrough technologies do amers develop in nuclear power?
They haven't built a single nuclear power plant since 79. And the HEU-LEU treaty completely killed their enrichment industry. And soon you won't be able to enrich it with the diffusion method because cheap uranium is running out. And their centrifuges are only in their infancy. Why do you think the Japanese abandoned nuclear power and the Germans will soon do the same? Doesn't that remind you of anything?

[Pimply]

Who told you that developments should only be in nuclear power?
And if we talk about nuclear power, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the situation in the States today

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pimply

the most powerful economy in the world.

And what is the strength of the economy when in the USA 80% is the financial sector?

[Pimply]

Sasha. Wake up You work on a computer that is developed in the United States - and most of the programs on it come from there, use the Internet, which was invented there, and are treated with American medicines. A bunch of developments in your phone come from there. There is a high probability that you eat something made in the States or according to their technology. Drive cars that use technology invented in the United States. You fly on planes that are assembled in the United States. What are the 80% of the financial sector?

[leon-iv]

You work on a computer that is designed
If we take only the architecture x86
and most programs on it from there
This has long been wrong. In the USA, at best, head offices with management. Here is an example from some comrades ordering software with source codes. I look there. I see the team leader turned out to be in Austria, the Ekb guys from St. Petersburg and Ukraine wrote. So in this a long time ago it is not so in my city for a long time there are representative offices of large software development companies.
that you eat something made in the United States or by their technology.
We don’t have our own or European food. American technology has not taken root in us or is poorly developed.
Drive cars that use technology invented in the United States.
VAG looks at you with a misunderstanding.
You fly on planes that are assembled in the United States.
BUT parts are created all over the world? And the USA itself is completely ready to build everything or is not capable of already or will severely disrupt the deadlines.
What are 80% of the financial sector?
Well, not 80 but 60 seems to be the truth of them most of the management.

[Pimply]

Quote: leon-iv

If we take only the architecture x86

Yes, not only. The lead development centers are in the States. The same Intel, for example.

Quote: leon-iv

This has long been wrong. In the USA, at best, head offices with management. Here is an example from some comrades ordering software with source codes. I look there. I see the team leader turned out to be in Austria, the Ekb guys from St. Petersburg and Ukraine wrote. So in this a long time ago it is not so in my city for a long time there are representative offices of large software development companies.

Representative offices, subcontractors, etc. are the norm. There is a difference - a subcontractor and a head development center. Everything that is simpler, routine, is dumped in Russia and India, which requires a proactive approach, the main developments are in the head offices of the USA, Britain, Israel.

Quote: leon-iv

We don’t have our own or European food. American technology has not taken root in us or is poorly developed.

You will be surprised to learn how much American technology you consume daily, from semi-finished products to finished products.

Refined sugar, condensed milk, nutritional supplements - etc. etc. Thousands of items

Quote: leon-iv

BUT parts are created all over the world? And the USA itself is completely ready to build everything or is not capable of already or will severely disrupt the deadlines.

Nobody says that the USA is building everything by itself. What for? They set the pace and direction. And the world follows them. Do you have a smartphone?

Quote: leon-iv

Well, not 80 but 60 seems to be the truth of them most of the management.

I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the information on the American economy. You will discover a lot of new things.

[leon-iv]

States. The same Intel, for example.
This has long been wrong.
head development center. Everything that is simpler, routine, is poured into Russia and India, which requires an initiative approach, the main developments are in the head offices of the USA, Britain, Israel.
This is not a routine, this is a full cycle from the idea to the final result on a subcontract. From and to. I then talked to the guys myself, this has long been the norm.
Refined sugar, condensed milk, nutritional supplements - etc. etc. Thousands of items
I recognize a technologist from a friend in the evening at a club meeting.
Do you have a smartphone?
Hugo Samsung on a bucket with its corporate OS.

This is what I want to say. Americans have an excellent ability to find ideas and people.

[Pimply]

Quote: leon-iv

This has long been wrong.

Major development centers in the States and Israel. The largest in the States. I recommend to read ..

Quote: leon-iv

This is not a routine; it is a complete cycle from an idea to an end result on a subcontract. From and to. Then I myself talked with the guys for a long time is the norm.

I also talked. And I repeat: the main developments are the States. And what often seems like a complete cycle in practice is subcontracting.

Quote: leon-iv

I recognize a technologist from a friend in the evening at a club meeting.

Always happy

Quote: leon-iv

Hugo Samsung on a bucket with its corporate OS.

Yeah. Technologies themselves appeared where? The very principle of a smartphone? Based on whose technology is your corporate axis?

[leon-iv]

Major development centers in the States and Israel. The largest in the States. I recommend to read ..
I won’t argue here, but it’s like a huge center in Nino, but it also hints)).
And I repeat: the main developments are the States. And what often seems like a complete cycle in practice is subcontracting.
In our case, and he is not a single development, not their support, not theirs. Theirs is only management, but it is excellent. A colleague programmer also writes for Americans, his partner in the US is only looking for clients.
The very principle of a smartphone?
In that form it is Nokia
Based on whose technology is your corporate axis?
A Linux-like OS of which little remains.

[Pimply]

Yeah. And there are many such centers, and not only in the Lower, but also in different countries. Once again - HEAD CENTERS. HEADS. Where they lay the foundations of development and determine promising areas, where processors are designed, for example. In Russia, Intel engineers are engaged in software development.

Quote: leon-iv

In our case, and he is not a single development, not their support is not theirs. Their only management but it is excellent. A colleague programmer also writes for Americans his partner in the USA is only looking for clients

And again - you look at one point, not the whole picture.

Quote: leon-iv

In that form it is Nokia

Yeah. Sure? It is only strange why Nokia is losing ground ...

Quote: leon-iv

Linux-like OS from which little is left.

Yeah. And again we return to special cases, right?
And most smartphones in the world run on software developed in the States. And Unix started there too.

[leon-iv]

In Russia, Intel engineers are engaged in software development.
Not for a long time. Although I’m wondering how many Americans are there and how many migrants?
And again - you look at one point, not the whole picture.
No, I myself studied before the IT army, and now in this area I have changed my profile in a new place of work, so I say that I know. And once again I repeat it is stupidly cheaper to develop with a comparable level of personnel.
Marx's theses about the profit of the capitalists have not been canceled.
It is only strange why Nokia is losing ground ...
Nokia is drained hard and extremely hard. If you want to read on the Internet how Nokia dropped deciding to associate itself with the small ones.

Sure?
IBM Simon, however, was not a smartphone.
And most smartphones in the world work on software developed in the States.
Here you are probably right because the main one is MacOS, but the ears of many developers stick out from there too.
Yes, and Unix started there.
The story here is murky because both the USSR and the USA followed a similar path. Then they started stealing ideas from each other. Therefore, calling modern Unix-like systems BeSys subsidiaries is not entirely correct.

[Pimply]

You can talk about it for a long time, and, nevertheless, the facts remain facts. There is a leader - and there is everyone else.

[leon-iv]

It is undoubted that the USA is now a leader. But the conversation is what Americans don’t want to work on their own; they want others to do it for them.

[Pimply]

Amer plow so that Mama Do not Cry. And it is completely logical that some functions are blamed on others.

[Kars]

Quote: Pimply

There is a leader - and there is everyone else.

But what about the campaign ... the leaders .. did after experiencing Namer and the Swede SV 90

[Pimply]

Not really. This, in fact, is the same new striker (partly with the functions of the MPAP) only on tracks. The concept is different. This is a machine to replace M113, I think there will be more than one machine at the competition. The question is whether they also want a heavy armored personnel carrier - and there is a chance for this.

[Kars]

Quote: Pimply

they are also heavy armored personnel carrier

30 tons in the minimum configuration is not enough?
So this is just how I said the lightweight Namer, which is too heavy and costly.

And what else is needed except for the striker on the tracks))))))))) And the concept is one to one, only easier.

Or, has Namer been already adopted by the US Army and put into production, and I don’t know?

[Pimply]

Quote: Kars

Or, has Namer been already adopted by the US Army and put into production, and I don’t know?

Launched in production. In the United States.

[Kars]

Quote: Pimply

Launched in production. In the United States.

Details, please?
And what was launched into production, but not accepted into service?
something about such a significant event and without fireworks is strange.

[bask]

Kars I agree. Something is not American. No advertising for Stryker+. And in more detail, I would like. It was created according to the Swedish SEP concept. On a GC and wheels, with unification of units and weapons. Or is it a completely different machine (((only the name is similar))?

[Pimply]

They are manufactured in the USA, for Israel. They started production there so that they could use American military aid. They are manufactured by General Systems Dynamics Land in Lima, Ohio, some additional assembly and production of some parts is done in Israel. In 2009, there was information that Azerbaijan was thinking about the machine. The price was said to be 2 million bucks per unit.

[Kars]

Quote: Pimply

Produced in the United States, for Israel

This is not a coat.
How to begin for the US Army - you know earlier, write.

[Pimply]

OK. But this is not one year, I think. The competition should begin only next year.

[bask]

Well, that’s hryunovo. That all this is Amerian. Although much has been invented in the USSR.

[Pimply]

Do not confuse parallel development with invented. Many scientific developments are parallel and independent of each other. The question is where they can put it into practice and put it into practice. In the USSR there were a lot of both promising and working developments. However, at the moment - and even then - the States were the locomotive in introducing advanced technologies into ordinary life

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pimply

You work on a computer that is developed in the states

Yes, but made in China, you probably have one too

Quote: Pimply

being treated with american drugs

you won’t wait, you bury me early

Quote: Pimply

There is a high probability that you eat something made in the States or according to their technology.

Mistaken on 100%, I eat normal food, Russian borsch is much better than a hamburger.

Quote: Pimply

Drive cars that use technology invented in the United States.

I have Camry and what has been done there on US technology?

Quote: Pimply

What are 80% of the financial sector?

Eugene, from the statistics that I saw on TV. And the last one, where all the technologies you are talking about now are being produced ............ somewhere in Asia like And if the economy is so strong, so what kind of banana did the crisis happen in 2008 and why is another one now being predicted?

[Pimply]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, but made in China, you probably have one too

Not done - assembled. And developed - in the USA.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

you won’t wait, you bury me early

Nevertheless - are you treated? Many of the drugs you are treating - including antibiotics - were invented in the United States.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Mistaken on 100%, I eat normal food, Russian borsch is much better than a hamburger.

You cannot imagine how much American technology is in Russian "normal" food. Even farm chickens often eat various American food additives. And the principles of processing, storage, logistics - American food technologies are everywhere. It's not just a burger. Burger is so, not even the tip of the iceberg.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I have Camry and what has been done there on US technology?

Well, for starters - the very principle of conveyor assembly

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Zhenya, from the statistics that I saw on TV. And lastly, where are all the technologies that you are talking about being produced now? ... somewhere in Asia, I think. And if the economy is so strong, then what kind of banana did the crisis happen in 2008 and why are they predicting another one now?

Sash, don't confuse an assembly shop working for export with a design bureau. And watch less on TV - read more serious literature. And it very clearly analyzes the real strengths and weaknesses of the US economy.

[iwind]

I work in medicine. We have 90% of the equipment imported. And a very large percentage from America (GE healthcare), then Europe (Siemens), and a little less Japan and South Korea. Production and assembly take place entirely in the above-mentioned countries.
With medicines it is a little better, but the percentage is huge and here it is mainly America, they have very well developed pharmacology. I clarify, I am not talking about vitamins, etc. I am talking about drugs (antiviral, steroids, oncological drugs, etc.
Russian high-tech medical equipment for the most part is no longer there.

[Pimply]

Yeah. It is worth noting that many of the drugs that are now produced in Russia were originally developed in the United States.

[Anti]

Quote: Pimply

including antibiotics - were invented in the United States.

In England, I think the patent for penicillin belongs to A. Fleming, but along with it - at the same time - another strain of penicillin was developed by Zinaida Ermolyeva, which, for some reason, very often is forgotten. Our strain, by the way, was more active, which means better.

[bask]

I don’t remember what we “wiped our asses with”. We only ate freshly cooked lamb and beef. For two years, there was no talk of any freezing in 1979. Maybe in your Israeli army they ate Argentine buffalo from the 60s. The army was 3 million strong and there weren’t enough Krasovki for everyone. And we ran in kerzaachs, you get used to foot wraps, like slippers. Wash your feet every day and wash your foot wraps, nothing will stink. After your boots and socks, your feet stunk like crazy! So, don’t “attack” the Soviet army)))))) We had everything we had. And now there are only dreams or individual deliveries. The cost of a German tent is more than a quarter of a shift trailer. Dreams, projects and more dreams, sometimes 15, sometimes 20 will be called 30 in the morning...

[Pimply]

Well, how would a company-supplier of the Bundeswehr, which is actively fighting in Afghanistan, for example

[vlbelugin]

Inflatable technique. Camps. Money goes wrong.
This is what "jackets" mean in power. At the training ground, the military must, must be in conditions close to combat. To be able to set up tents, settle down.
And now for everything ready? Not soldiers, but tourists. Not an army, but a brothel.
By the way, girls will not be brought there?
The conditions that have been created are being created now for the military, but they are not taught anything, but they are corrupted. Soon we will reach the point that without a cup of coffee we will not fight. AMERICANIZATION OF THE ARMY.
What was the difference between a Russian soldier and everyone else. A savvy (porridge from an ax), the ability to survive in extreme conditions. And now an American stuffed animal is made of a soldier.
Whatever high they raised, those who did not particularly serve. 28 years of service 2 of them urgent. And I'm not what I envy modern soldiers. No. I am a soldier from 1972-1974 I don’t count them as a soldier. Mothers control their service. The aunts of the bed will be made, in the barracks they will restore order. Uncles will clean the territory. IOC on the guard leaves. Grandmas cook to eat. Vacations, home trips. Such a pupil did not even dream of us. Officers will wipe the ass. What year and not serve.
Only with this army in difficult conditions do not want to be.
Do not be offended by the "fighters". Why are the fighters in quotation marks? Yes, because a one-year-old, caressed and licked by everyone, cannot, a priori, become a real fighter.

[DIMS]

Have you ever lived in campsites of the times of the USSR?

[Pimply]

Even earlier, the grass was greener

[Mikado]

How do you know how they serve right now? from newspaper publications?

[Mikado]

I looked at the photos of how they are arranged inside, the beauty of course, we immediately remembered our tents, where the floor of the tent was covered with pine branches.

[leon-iv]

But what interests me who will serve this camp? double bass platoon?
And so the excellent camp is waiting for an adequate response from our manufacturers.
And then UBS-56 is beyond good and evil. But in harmony with nature it’s hot in summer, cold in winter in rain, wet