The Castle of the Four Warwicks is one of the first in the list of the best!

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The Castle of the Four Warwicks is one of the first in the list of the best!
Warwick Castle. Guy's tower with a gatehouse and a barbican behind it. Photo by Michael Dibb


Here is the glory of Warwick - in blood and dust!
Own alleys, parks and estates
I lost; of all the lands left
A piece only for me, equal in length to the body.

"Henry VI" (part three) (1591), William Shakespeare

Ancient castles and fortresses. A series of articles on medieval castles aroused a certain interest among VO readers, and such that it came to a “personal order”. And we should pay tribute to the customer: he really chose an exceptionally interesting castle, both from the point of view of his stories and architecture, and those events to which he and his owners were related. There are ghosts in it (how could it be without them!), And ... a modern (antique) hotel complex for those who want to visit there and spend some time. No wonder it was recognized in all respects as one of the best castles in England. And, of course, VO readers, judging by the epigraph, have already guessed that the topic of today's story “about castles” should be Warwick Castle, although there is another name in the literature - Warwick, perhaps someone more habitual.




Warwick Castle. East side. Canaletto (Giovanni Antonio Canal, 1697–1768), 1752 Birmingham Museum of Art

Warwick Castle is located in the city of Warwick and stands on a sandstone cliff at a bend in the River Avon. The place is very convenient, since the river eroded the bank in this place, so here, on the eastern side, a steep cliff formed - that is, a double and quite reliable protection. Therefore, it is not surprising that the first fortified settlement arose here long before the appearance of the castle. It was an Anglo-Saxon fortress founded in 914.


Warwick Castle. The same artist. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Legend says that it was built by Æthelflæd, daughter of Alfred the Great. However, although the hill on which it stood is called "Æthelflæd's Hill", this is by no means a trace of the Anglo-Saxons, but the site of a Norman fortification. Although the Anglo-Saxon burg could well stand there. And why shouldn't he be in such a well-fortified place?! William I the Conqueror also fully appreciated its benefits and founded the royal castle "motte and bailey" here in 1068 in order to have a base for further advances to the north. The "motte and bailey" castle usually consisted of a hill, on top of which a donjon tower was built, and a protected courtyard.


Gateway to Warwick Castle. The same artist. Birmingham Museum of Art

William appointed Heinrich Beaumont, a representative of a noble Norman family, as constable of the castle. And already in 1088 he became the first titled Earl of Warwick. But the second earl of Warwick, Roger de Beaumont, one might say, was not lucky. King Henry I did not trust him, and in order to weaken his power, he transferred the nearby lands with Kenilworth Castle to his enemy Geoffroy de Clinton.


Plan of Warwick Castle. Photo warwick-castle.com

During the reign of Henry II (1154-1189), the "motte and bailey" on the "Hill of Æthelfeld" was replaced by a stone castle. And what is most interesting, this castle no longer had a donjon, but was built in such a way that all its buildings were inside the ring of walls.


Warwick Castle. Bird's-eye view. Photo keywordbaskets.com

During the Second Barons' War of 1264-1167, in the same year 1264, the castle was captured by Simon de Montfort, 1267th Earl of Leicester, owner of Kenilworth Castle. It turned out that the fortifications on the northeastern side were insufficient, which the neighboring opponents immediately took advantage of. One hundred years later, namely in 1330, the title and castle passed to the nephew of the former owner, William de Beauchamp, ninth Earl of Warwick. And the Beauchamp family took up the strengthening of the castle for real. It took a long time to build, from 1360 to XNUMX, but a lot was also done: on the northeast side, towers were built at the entrance gate, a barbican (a type of fortification in front of the gate to the castle) and more towers, the towers of Caesar, Guy and the Watergate tower.


Warwick Castle. Main gate with clock tower, Caesar's tower on the left. Photo by Chris Newborg

In the best traditions of the gloomy Middle Ages, a dungeon was arranged under the tower of Caesar. But in a local legend dating back to 1644, for some reason it was renamed the Tower of Poitiers. Either due to the fact that the prisoners taken at Poitiers in 1356 languished in it, or they built it for the ransom received for the prisoners. In any case, the tower was equipped with a full set of defense devices, including “killer holes” (in the ceiling above the passage through the gate, through which the defenders of the castle could aim, and even from above, kill anyone who got there without an invitation). And it was also equipped with two drawbridges and gates with gratings made of wood and iron descending from above. But the facade overlooking the river had minimal protection. Yes, and how was it to get close to him?


Tourist plan of the castle. Photo warwick-castle.com


Warwick Castle. Photo from the park. Photo by Peter K. Burian

Sometime in the early 1480s, King Richard III ordered the construction of two towers in the castle, which were given the names Bear and Clarence. And they should have been armed with guns! But when he died at Bosworth Field in 1485, they weren't ready yet. Each had its own well, as well as stoves for heating. Both of these towers could be considered a fortress within a fortress, in case there was a mutiny in the garrison. They also received cannons, so in 1486 the post of artillery superintendent was established in the castle.


The photo was taken from a tower called Guy's Tower. Photo by Chris Buet


Another photo from Chris Buet's tower

The fact that while it was in the possession of the crown from 1478 to 1547, 500 wagons of stone were brought to repair it, speaks of how costly the repair of the castle was for the crown. Therefore, he was eventually granted to John Dudley, and along with the secondary creation of the title of Earl of Warwick. Dudley inspected his new property and spoke of it as a building incapable of sheltering anyone, “since one side of the castle, together with the tower and the dungeon, is completely destroyed and lies on the ground».


Inner courtyard of Warwick Castle. Photo by Chris Buet

Be that as it may, Dudley did not begin to repair the castle. Apparently, he reasoned that with such a gift the crown decided not so much to make him happy, but to ruin him. So, when Queen Elizabeth I visited the castle in 1566 and again spent four nights in it in 1572, a wooden structure was erected for the queen during her visit.


There are beautiful installations inside the castle. Photo by Chris Buet

And then Ambrose Dudley, 3rd Earl of Warwick, died in 1590... leaving no heirs, and the title of Earl of Warwick hung in the air for the second time. The castle again went to the crown. Therefore, in 1590, its detailed inventory was compiled, from which it was clear that it was still not repaired, and that everything that could be taken away from it (that is, to put it simply, stolen) was stolen, including even the furnishings. chapels. In 1601, a certain Sir Fulk Greville noticed that this castle was so destroyed that nothing was left of it except the name Warwick.


What real castle can do without an exhibition of knightly armor? Yes, none! But in Warwick Castle, knights in armor are also sitting on horses! Photo by Bernard Gagnon

And again the crown had to decide who to give the dilapidated castle to. In 1604, King James I handed it over to Sir Fulk Greville, who at first did not bother with restoration work, but turned it into an ordinary estate. And - rightly so, because the fashion for locks has passed. Many were abandoned and turned into romantic ruins, while others were rebuilt into comfortable residences for the new nobility.

It was then, namely in 1618, that the title of Earl of Warwick was created for the third time. At this point, Fulk Greville had to shell out more than £20,000 (£3 million in 2010 prices) that he had to shell out to renovate the castle. Because what kind of a count would he be if he lives in an ordinary estate?! Moreover, according to the new fashion, magnificent gardens, alleys and forests were arranged around him - after all, the new count had to hunt somewhere. But in the end, the poor fellow was unlucky: on September 1, 1628, his servant Ralph Haywood stabbed him in the back, having learned that he had left nothing in his will. And although Haywood was hanged, Greville's wound proved to be fatal, so a few days later he went after the servant!


Exposition with figures of knights and an exhibition weapons created in the castle is simply beautiful! I would like to visit there. I would have considered everything to the last rivet. Photo by Peter K. Burian

During the Civil War, supporters of the parliament strengthened in the castle, and they were unsuccessfully besieged by the royalists. So the castle had a chance to fight: he fired at the besiegers, and they fired at him. The prisoners were kept in the towers of Guy and Caesar.

A cannon garrison was stationed at the castle from 1643 to 1660. And then ... then the need for it completely disappeared, and the English Council of State decided to transfer it to Francis Greville, 3rd Baron Brooke. He arrived at the castle and saw something absolutely terrible according to those concepts: the interiors were out of fashion, and even were in poor condition. And in 1669-1678, another, for the umpteenth time, reconstruction of the castle began, mainly affecting its interior decoration. They worked for a long time, and on November 4, 1695, the castle was ready to receive King William III within its walls.

Having land, money and fantasy, why not put all this into action? Here Francis Greville, 8th Baron Brooke, did just that and once again decided to rebuild everything around ... in fashion. He, for the fourth time, in 1759, was given the title of Earl of Warwick, so he had to match. Lancelot Brown, the future chief landscape architect of England, was hired. And he changed the whole area beyond recognition, giving it a charming natural character. Brown began working on the land and park in 1749 and completed the work in 1757 at a cost of £2,293 (£260,000 in 2010 prices). The gardens around cover an area of ​​2,8 km², so you can imagine how much it costs to care for this entire area.


Another highlight that attracts tourists to this castle is the world's largest trebuchet, built in 2005. Its height is 18 meters, and it is made of 300 oak logs and weighs 22 tons. Its rate of fire is one shot per half hour, while its maintenance requires eight people who must run inside two "squirrel wheels" and thus lift a counterweight weighing several tons. Already in 2006, this trebuchet set a record by firing a projectile weighing 13 kg at a distance of 249 m at a speed of 260 km / h. Photo by Peter K. Burian

Greville also invited the Italian painter Antonio Canaletto to paint Warwick Castle in 1747, in the process of being renovated by Brown. Five paintings and three drawings were painted, as a result, the castle became the most frequent building in Britain depicted in his paintings. That is, the work was carried out comprehensively: the terrain changed, Canaletto painted, and the rooms inside were re-planned, sheathed with new wood, in addition, a heated greenhouse was built in the castle. Well, in general, if we talk about money, Warwick Castle turned into a real bottomless barrel into which money flowed in huge quantities. So, only the restoration of the castle in 1872-1875 cost £9,651 (£670,000 in 2010 prices), and such restorations were carried out in it quite often.


And this is the well-preserved effect of Richard de Beauchamp. Located in Warwick Church. Photo by Robin Stevenson

But today, Warwick Castle is protected from changes in construction, as it is included in the Catalog of Ancient Monuments and is an important historical monument. The castle is included in the first category of the List of architectural and historical sights of Great Britain, along with the ramparts, stables, a mill and the lands surrounding it. Well, in 2001, Warwick Castle was named one of the 10 most remarkable British historic houses and monuments, and this list also includes the Tower, Stonehenge and Edinburgh Royal Castle.


Tucked away in Caesar's Tower are two guest rooms fit for kings and queens. So if you want to relax like a king inside this XNUMXth century tower, then know that there are two luxuriously decorated suites, each on a separate floor. They feature original high vaulted ceilings, a sumptuous canopy bed and stunning tapestries on the walls. Modern amenities include a private bathroom and all tea/coffee making facilities. Photo warwick-castle.com


Both rooms are furnished in a royal way, but this is not particularly surprising today. However, ceilings of such height and vaults can only be found today in the castle! Photo warwick-castle.com

So now this castle is a great place to relax. If you want to live in it, there are beautifully decorated apartments. If you want to walk in nature - take a walk, if you want to shoot from a catapult - shoot. In a word, there would be a desire and money, and the time spent there will be remembered by any person forever!
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  1. +2
    11 October 2022 06: 42
    It took a long time to build, from 1330 to 1360

    From whom were they going to defend themselves? The Normans had already "calmed down" by that time, the Protestants had not yet appeared, and the Hundred Years' War was just beginning. Yes, and the French would not have gotten there, even with all their desire ...
    1. +3
      11 October 2022 06: 47
      Quote: Luminman
      From whom were they going to defend themselves?

      People in general are such fools that you can only wonder!
      1. +1
        11 October 2022 09: 01
        the Chinese, over there, too, built, built ... and for what the hell ...
        1. 0
          11 October 2022 10: 53
          the Chinese, over there, too, built, built ... and for what the hell

          With the Chinese, everything is clear - their nomads overcame ...
          1. +3
            11 October 2022 10: 56
            gigantomania overcame them, like
            1. 0
              11 October 2022 11: 08
              gigantomania overcame them, like

              Big country, big people, many nomads! And the wall, therefore, must be big... wink
    2. +4
      11 October 2022 07: 04
      "From whom were they going to defend themselves?"

      Maybe they were afraid of the appearance of another Robin of our Hood? smile
      1. +1
        11 October 2022 07: 23
        Maybe they were afraid of the appearance of another Robin of our Hood?

        From conditional Robin Hoods, such high walls are not built ... wink
        1. +4
          11 October 2022 11: 47
          From conditional Robin Hoods, such high walls are not built ...
          But they help well from the unconditional Watts of the Tylers.
          1. 0
            11 October 2022 16: 15
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            But they help well from the unconditional Wats of the Tylers

            "Unconditional Wat Tylers" are not much different from the conditional Robin Hoods. Is it the quantity...
    3. +8
      11 October 2022 10: 17
      Quote: Luminman
      From whom were they going to defend themselves?

      From their own kind, first of all. Feudal turmoil at that time was a normal routine. Boshans - a noble aristocratic family, could afford to quarrel even with the king. The vicissitudes of the political struggle are unpredictable - only God knows when and from whom you and your descendants will have to defend themselves.
      Quote: Luminman
      Yes, and the French would not have gotten there, even with all their desire ...

      The British reached Paris and Orleans. Military happiness is changeable. There were also Scots and Welsh. But the worst of all, of course, is a neighbor-colleague in a dangerous business, whose castle is located half a day's march from yours.
      1. 0
        11 October 2022 11: 03
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        From their own kind, first of all. Feudal troubles...
        But the worst of all, of course, is a neighbor-colleague in a dangerous business, whose castle is located half a day's march from your

        Well, I do not! In England, there was no such baronial lawlessness as in continental Europe. Power ever since Wilhelm, who was the Conqueror, has been more or less centralized...

        Quote: Trilobite Master
        And there were Scots, Welsh

        These are not entirely dangerous. The Welsh are "tamed", and the Scots are far beyond the mountains ...

        P.S. the presence of such a fortress would have been understandable in the VI-XI centuries. Or somewhere along the coast. But in the heart of England...
        1. +5
          11 October 2022 11: 50
          In England, there was no such baronial lawlessness as in continental Europe.
          You tell John the Landless.
          1. 0
            11 October 2022 16: 20
            You tell John the Landless

            This subject lived long before 1330, i.e. before the time of the construction of the castle. Besides, the uprising of the Earls is not at all the boundlessly feudal freemen that was going on on the other side of the strait ...
            1. 0
              11 October 2022 17: 47
              Colleague, the fact that you understand the history of medieval England in the same way as the history of northern convoys is already obvious. However, could you factually prove examples of "unlimited feudal freemen" in continental Europe?
        2. +8
          11 October 2022 12: 16
          Quote: Luminman
          Well, I do not!

          That's right! laughing
          Since the time of William, who is Guillaume the Bastard, for so many years, the royal power has staggered more than once and there have been a lot of strife.
          Recall the wars of Queen Matilda against Stephen of Blois, the baronial wars of King John the Landless (Jean Santer), the Montfort rebellion (the article mentions the capture of Warwick Castle by Montfort) against Edward I ... This is just offhand, colleagues can still add to the list, I think.
          The father of Thomas Beauchamp - the builder of the castle - Guy de Beauchamp fought against Edward II, and after his death (Thomas was a minor), the king captured this castle and gave it to his favorite to manage. After the overthrow of Edward II, his son and heir returned the castle to Thomas, who two years later began to strengthen it. It seems that he had every reason for such an initiative. Yes
          A well-fortified castle - it is like a dagger - is good for those who have it and bad for those who do not have it in time. laughing
          Quote: Luminman
          The Welsh are "tamed"

          Tell that to Owen Gladower in the early XNUMXth century.
          Quote: Luminman
          Scots far beyond the mountains

          It is better to ask the administrators of Scottish stamps about this until the XNUMXth century. - how many raids they repelled, how many they failed ... smile
          1. +4
            11 October 2022 13: 20
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            he is like a dagger - good for those who have it and bad for those who do not have it in time
            at the right time...
          2. 0
            11 October 2022 16: 28
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Since the time of William, who is Guillaume Bastard, for so many years, royal power has staggered more than once and there have been a lot of strife

            It's all natural. The classic struggle for power (usually palace). I just said that England at that time was delivered from that continental baronial freemen, who lived according to the rule "what I want, I turn back" ...
            1. +1
              11 October 2022 17: 09
              In 1330, this freemen ended only four years ago. Under Edward II, the barons just did what they wanted. And towards the end of the reign of Edward III, by the 1370s, it began again. For fifteen years there was order under Henry V, but from the 1420s disgrace began again and ended only in the XNUMXth century. under the first Tudors.
              There were always nobles who had claims to each other, some clans were at enmity for centuries, conflicts faded only with a strong monarch who was able to keep everyone in his fist and immediately resumed as soon as the king weakened.
              So everyone then knew that universal peace in the kingdom was an unnatural state and therefore short-lived. Therefore, castles were built and constantly strengthened.
        3. 0
          29 November 2022 13: 19
          baronial lawlessness

          This is called the right of force, well done, and the winner is not judged.
    4. +4
      11 October 2022 11: 47
      the French wouldn't get there
      Avon was a navigable river then.
    5. +2
      11 October 2022 15: 12
      So from the neighbors...
      The medieval English were still entertainers ...
  2. +5
    11 October 2022 07: 08
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    The order is completed, the article turned out. I hope you find it as interesting and pleasant to work on it as we were to read it. smile
    A castle with a rich biography, and some of its owners are simply wonderful personalities.
    1. +5
      11 October 2022 09: 15
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      I hope you find it as interesting and pleasant to work on it as we were to read it.

      You're right. It was interesting to work on it.
  3. +5
    11 October 2022 07: 09
    Wilhelm appointed Heinrich Beaumont, a representative of the noble Norman families.
    Crap! But why "Norman" and not "Norman" ???
    The grandchildren of Rollo the Pedestrian did not speak the language of their grandfather. The fact that Robert the Devil married the concubines Gerleva according to the Norman rite is not yet an indicator.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +3
      11 October 2022 09: 16
      Anton, some things when translated are obtained "in their original form." I don't always fix it. Sometimes I skip.
  4. +1
    11 October 2022 07: 22
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    But why "Norman" and not "Norman" ???

    Because the etymology of the word "Norman" is of French origin, and "Norman" is North German. And in the Russian language, they are generally Varangians ...
    1. +6
      11 October 2022 07: 39
      A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine
      Or maybe Latin?
  5. +2
    11 October 2022 08: 05
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    A furore Normannorum
    Or maybe Latin?

    In Latin, the word "Norman" (precisely in the understanding of the sea robber) was borrowed from the Germanic languages. And the real speakers of Latin - the ancient Romans - never even heard of any Normans. And since at that time all business correspondence was conducted in Latin and all educated barbarians (Germans) spoke it, this word entered the Latin language as "Norman". Without the letter and sound "D" ...
    1. +7
      11 October 2022 08: 30
      Or maybe we will return to the Russian linguistic historical tradition and call the natives of Scandinavia "Normans", and those born in Normandy - "Normans"? Well, so as not to get confused?
      1. +2
        11 October 2022 08: 49
        Well, so as not to get confused?

        Well, just to avoid confusion...
      2. +2
        11 October 2022 12: 52
        In Latin, the word "Norman" (precisely in the understanding of the sea robber) was borrowed from the Germanic languages.

        Why is ignorance always accompanied by such aplomb? The German Normanne is derived from the Latin nortmanni, nortmanni and nordmanni, which in turn are derived from the Scandinavian norðmaðr.
        As for the "Normans" and "Normans", the Germans, the British and the French call them in one word - English. Normans, German. Normannen, fr. Normands.
        1. 0
          11 October 2022 16: 37
          Quote from Nephilim
          The German Normanne is derived from the Latin nortmanni, nortmanni and nordmanni, which in turn are derived from the Scandinavian norðmaðr

          I laughed for a long time until I was hoarse ... laughing
          1. -2
            11 October 2022 17: 45
            I laughed for a long time until I was hoarse

            Laughter for no reason?
      3. 0
        11 October 2022 17: 23
        Hello Anton!

        I would call them all chokh according to the "Russian linguistic historical tradition", but I'm afraid they will immediately be banned for such frankness. laughing

        1. +2
          11 October 2022 17: 33
          Hi Uncle Kostya!
          There is a historical story about the appearance in the Olonets province of a settlement called Kem.
          1. +2
            11 October 2022 17: 45
            I heard back when I was working in the museum, the peasants claimed that it was so, Pyotr Alekseevich did not have time to write out in detail the destination for the exiles. laughing
        2. -1
          11 October 2022 17: 47
          And why did the inhabitants of distant Normandy upset you so much, if this is not an intimate secret, of course?
          1. +1
            11 October 2022 18: 12
            And why do you need it? For example, your intimate problems do not interest me.
            1. +3
              11 October 2022 18: 29
              Colleagues, let's not be dogged.
              1. +2
                11 October 2022 19: 24
                That's not how I started, but I never start myself, you know. You pay attention to his nickname, so simply and without false modesty. laughing
                1. +2
                  11 October 2022 19: 36
                  Nickname, uncle, determines the fate of man.
                  1. +2
                    11 October 2022 19: 54
                    I do not really believe in fate, as one friend argued there about that star, "which shone over his cradle." smile
            2. -3
              11 October 2022 20: 13
              So I'm not interested in your intimate ones, why are you so angry? I wonder what the inhabitants of Normandy annoyed you with, if not a secret? You can’t answer - for God’s sake, why worry so much?
          2. +3
            11 October 2022 18: 28
            Colleagues, let's not be dogged.
  6. +4
    11 October 2022 08: 13
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    The trebuchet is amazing.
    1. +2
      11 October 2022 09: 03
      especially its uselessness - once every half an hour to put a small, in general, cobblestone into the white light ..
      1. +4
        11 October 2022 09: 12
        I admit that useless things rarely take root. Another issue is efficiency.

        Attackers under the walls of a serious castle do not have such a great choice.
        1. +4
          11 October 2022 09: 16
          to cannons - perhaps, only assault towers gave some kind of effect, and with such a "charge" you can't knock a prong off the wall, except to throw "lighters"
          1. +4
            11 October 2022 10: 09
            It was possible to stand under locks for a long time.

            This is Robin Hood with the Black Knight in "Ivanhoe" with a swoop they took the castle.
            1. +4
              11 October 2022 10: 14
              there was the Lionheart, he cut through the gate, it seems, and even after standing and losing half from diarrhea, slurping unsaltedly and leaving ... and from the walls they showed them all obscenity
            2. +4
              11 October 2022 10: 16
              and what phrase - for the rest of my life I remember
              Damn your Spanish armor! Loxley grumbled. “If they were made by an English blacksmith, my arrows would long ago have pierced them through, like silk or linen.”
              1. +1
                11 October 2022 17: 20
                The tone is well chosen in the film, and the characters are colorful.
      2. +5
        11 October 2022 12: 28
        Quote: novel xnumx
        its uselessness

        When there are about a dozen of these pieces and they oil around the clock, aiming at one place, not a single wall or tower can withstand. And, most importantly, nothing can be done with them - only if you make a sortie.
        1. +4
          11 October 2022 12: 44
          if at one point - maybe even then, given the thickness of the walls ... but with accuracy it was clearly not very good there and hitting the wall counted
          1. +6
            11 October 2022 15: 17
            If each trebuchet is capable of releasing more than twenty 15 kg pebbles per day at a speed of about 200 km / h (you can calculate for yourself how much energy each pebble will transfer to the target), and there are several such trebuchets, they can smash anything in a week, which has been repeatedly proven practice - yes, at least, by the same Mongols.
            Wuederwaffle of those times. If the besiegers had such things and the landscape allowed them to be used on the enemy's fortifications, then the rest is a matter of time. The trebuchet could do everything that cannonballs did, only slower.
            1. +2
              11 October 2022 16: 13
              Don't talk about the Mongols, I don't like fairy tales
              1. +2
                11 October 2022 17: 18
                Quote: novel xnumx
                No need for the Mongols

                Ah, got it... sad
                Quote: novel xnumx
                I don't like fairy tales

                Here they laughed. laughing
                Let me ask you a question, just for reference out of curiosity:
                In the XIII century. who destroyed Russia, burned the cities? Scythian-Siberian-Russians? Cossack Horde? Or maybe someone else? Like Jews? laughing
                1. +2
                  11 October 2022 17: 25
                  There are anti-Normanists, and there are anti-Mongolists.
                  Hi Michael!
                  1. +4
                    11 October 2022 18: 00
                    Anti-Normanists are a delusion. Antimongolists - diagnosis. smile
                    1. +1
                      11 October 2022 18: 06
                      Anti-Normanists are a delusion.
                      Your humanism will destroy you! However, you can, you are rural.)))
                      1. +2
                        11 October 2022 18: 18
                        There is no need, please! I am not fond of humanism. IM married. smile
                      2. +1
                        11 October 2022 18: 44
                        I have never seen such a definition of the term "humanism"! "Touche"!
              2. +1
                11 October 2022 17: 40
                Quote: novel xnumx
                I don't like fairy tales

                What do you like, Roman?
                1. +3
                  11 October 2022 17: 45
                  more fantasy, but, thank you, not about the Mongols (especially the Mongol-Tatars)
                  1. +1
                    11 October 2022 19: 18
                    But after all, Roman, in order to say so, one must use some sources, right? Are you a historian by training? And if not, on the basis of what sources do you draw such a conclusion?
                    1. +3
                      11 October 2022 19: 23
                      at least from the term "Mongol-Tatars" it's already cool, isn't it? and ... a dominant gene, where would we be without it, and a map, geographical ... not enough?
                      1. +2
                        11 October 2022 20: 16
                        Dear Roman! Sorry, but what you wrote is not the answer. There were several articles by E. Vashchenko about the term. But I didn't ask you about that. Here is my question: "Are you a historian by training? And if not, on the basis of what sources do you draw such a conclusion?"Give me a fraction of your time to answer. This is in your own interests.
                      2. +3
                        11 October 2022 20: 27
                        I’m not a historian, but I’ve been interested in history, especially military history, for a long time, sources, don’t blame me, alternative people (I hope I don’t need to list everyone?), since the official story is about wild nomads who left their steppes for 7000 km. with unknown goals, I was not satisfied already at school. "To the last sea??" sorry, nonsense, there is no statesman thinking in nomads, the mentality is not the same. Regards hi
                      3. +2
                        11 October 2022 20: 35
                        Well, you can't forbid a person to be interested in history. Too bad you didn't start from the wrong end. If you are really interested seriously, then I would advise you to read at least a few abstracts of dissertations (they are on the Internet) and compare them with "alternatives", primarily in terms of the source base. Here is a list for you: Domestic historical literature on Russian-Horde and Russian-Lithuanian relations in the middle of the XIII - XV centuries.
                        2007, candidate of historical sciences Trubkin, Vladimir Vasilyevich
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                        Russo-Mongolian War: 1237-1241
                        2003, candidate of historical sciences Susenkov, Evgeny Ivanovich
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                        Religious policy of the Golden Horde in Russia in the XVIII - XIV centuries.
                        2002, candidate of historical sciences Belozerov, Ivan Valentinovich
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                        Ryazan land in the second half of the XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries: relations with the Horde and Moscow
                        2011, candidate of historical sciences Petrov, Sergey Aleksandrovich
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                        The evolution of statehood in Russia during the period of the Mongol-Tatar yoke and the problems of the emergence of a centralized Muscovite state: Historical and legal research
                        2006, Candidate of Law Gavrilenko, Artur Yurievich
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                        But this is not a story. "The Secret of the Russian Horde and the Great Tartary" topwar.ru›Opinions - And why - look at any of these dissertations and compare with this article.
                      4. +1
                        11 October 2022 20: 37
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        didn't suit me already at school

                        It speaks of your inquisitive mind. But pay attention to my next answer to you.
                      5. +4
                        11 October 2022 20: 54
                        and yet - it is difficult to imagine a nomad who abandoned his family and his herds and drank everything (I won’t pick another word) for such a distance for several years. well, it doesn’t happen like that, he robbed, stuffed bags into his native yurt, it wasn’t a migration of peoples.
                      6. +1
                        11 October 2022 21: 02
                        Novel! You don't have to imagine anything. Need to know. Chronicle data, both ours and foreign ones, archeological data, a lot of things. It's like... a house of cards - pull out one card and it falls apart. I've also been interested in tanks since 1980. I read about them in Russian and English, probably everything. But I won’t start the tank and I won’t argue about how best to shoot from a cannon - I don’t know. Didn't study, didn't try. Studied their history. Slowly. Step by step. And only now I can say something about them without hesitation. But to think on the basis of incomplete information is a bad idea.
                      7. +3
                        11 October 2022 21: 07
                        everyone would be good with an official story, but to the question - why ??? you won't get an answer. and that's the main thing for me
                2. +1
                  11 October 2022 18: 51
                  Vyacheslav Olegovich, I wanted to ask all day and forgot everything.
                  The article talks about a ghost in the castle. What kind of ghost, whose?
                  Hopefully not Pierce Gaveston? smile
                  1. +1
                    11 October 2022 19: 19
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    The article talks about a ghost in the castle.

                    Michael, it’s like that, I couldn’t find out exactly what kind of ghost it was anywhere. Unfortunately. It was written - there is a ghost. But no details.
                    1. +4
                      11 October 2022 20: 15
                      what is this ghost
                      Sir Fulk Graville, stabbed to death by his servant Ralph Haywood. There is also the ghost of a dog that belonged to the thief Molly Bloxham. What is a castle without its ghosts, really?
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                        11 October 2022 20: 35
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Sir Fulk Graville,

                        Thank you. And then I thought bad. smile
                    2. +1
                      11 October 2022 20: 34
                      Nevertheless thank you. smile hi
                      Boo Boo Boo. This is me so that the comment does not seem too short to the administration. smile
            2. +1
              11 October 2022 17: 54
              By the way, Mikhail, I wanted to ask your opinion: what do you think, would Janibek Kafa have been taken if the plague had not happened?
              1. +1
                11 October 2022 18: 11
                Janibek is the last of the khans who actually ruled the entire Jochi ulus, if my memory serves me right. But I definitely see no reason why he should take Kafa - the Horde's gateway to Europe and a very efficient transshipment trading base that works in both directions. Ruin it - one loss. Revising trade agreements is another matter.
                However, he may have had his reasons.
                I think if I wanted to, I would take it.
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                  11 October 2022 18: 24
                  But I definitely see no reason why he should take Kafa - the Horde's gateway to Europe and a very efficient transshipment trading base that works in both directions. Ruin it - one loss. Revising trade agreements is another matter.
                  That is, do you think that this was what 500 years later will be called the "gunboat policy"?
                  1. +1
                    11 October 2022 18: 49
                    Don't know. Trade was profitable, but the Italians were grumpy. Something like the campaigns of the Rus to Constantinople. Scare and conclude a new contract. Which, in general, was done.
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                      11 October 2022 18: 59
                      Which, in general, was done.
                      Did not have. The subjects of the economic dispute left to die from the pandemic.
                      1. +1
                        11 October 2022 19: 15
                        I remember that peace was concluded and, it seems, the Italians pledged not to trade Horde children. There were claims against them, such as in winter, during jute, they bought children from nomads and sold them into slavery in Europe. Maybe I'm confusing something...
    2. +4
      11 October 2022 14: 53
      The trebuchet is amazing.


      In general, an extremely monstrous design. wassat



      Good day, Sergey! smile
      1. +2
        11 October 2022 17: 21
        Good afternoon, Konstantin!

        Like the armament of giants.
        1. +2
          11 October 2022 18: 04
          But, it seems, this gigantomania justified itself.
  7. +3
    11 October 2022 08: 22
    Thank you. Interesting, again delighted.
    There are many gates in this fortress.
  8. +5
    11 October 2022 08: 52
    there would be desire and money
    2 days in November - 1770 pounds belay . With breakfast at the castle and private tour of the building.
    1. +4
      11 October 2022 09: 18
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      2 days in November - 1770 pounds

      This is not for everyone!
      1. +5
        11 October 2022 09: 37
        not everyone can do it!
        There still need to find free dates - everything is booked. Although for the same money you can mess around in Sicily for a month.
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    11 October 2022 12: 53
    and that everything that could be taken away from it (that is, to put it simply, stolen) was stolen, including even the furnishings of the chapel.

  11. +3
    11 October 2022 15: 42
    I visited this castle in 2002, 2006 and, last time, in 2010. It seems like Madame Tussauds bought it, in any case, on the last visit, the castle changed dramatically, many new expositions were opened, especially in the inner chambers, the dungeons are already smelly. In addition, all sorts of thematic performances were staged under the walls of the castle. At that time there was an exhibition of magnificent birds and a performance with their participation. Interesting!
    I will join the author of the article: if the devil goes to Birmingham, visiting the castle is not the worst kind of pastime.
    1. +1
      11 October 2022 17: 42
      Quote: Grossvater
      2002, 2006 and most recently in 2010.

      Envy mine of yours, absolutely, absolutely!
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  13. +2
    11 October 2022 17: 09
    A series of articles on medieval castles aroused a certain interest among VO readers, and such that it came to a “personal order”.

    Do you know why, Vyacheslav Olegovich?
    The subconscious wants something stable in this world. Centuries go by, social conditions change, winds of change blow, changing the appearance of castles, clouds of adversity and joy rush past the ancient masonry, lingering on its surface with drops of rapidly evaporating dew, but leaving a trace of epochs, and they are standing! Unshakable and formidable in their ruins, the survivors of these castles symbolize the resilience of the civilized world. And while they exist, there is hope for everyone, they are its stronghold. There is something to cling to the rushing subconscious.
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      11 October 2022 17: 27
      "French! Millenniums look at you from these pyramids!" (FROM)
      )))
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      11 October 2022 17: 42
      Quote: depressant
      The subconscious wants something stable in this world.

      Exactly. You are 100% right
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    12 October 2022 07: 03
    Quote: novel xnumx
    you won't get an answer. and that's the main thing for me

    Well, I wrote a list for you. It's up to you to use it or not. Today I have published a material: "Saints ... tell." It clearly shows how historians get to the bottom of the truth. This is the only possible way. "Notions" from the evil one.
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    12 October 2022 13: 10
    Thanks for the article, I remembered with nostalgia my visit there in 1990, on the exchange of schoolchildren ...
  16. 0
    18 October 2022 15: 39
    - Somehow a certain Richard "Kingsmaker" Neville fell out of this story!
    - Having received the title of Earl of Warwick by marriage, he nevertheless distinguished himself in British history, becoming one of the most influential and richest people in the Kingdom.
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    26 November 2022 22: 42
    Thanks for the good material, dear Vyacheslav. The castle is really VERY nice. Little digression. It is very close to Blenheim Palace or Blenheim in English and in his youth Winston Churchill often visited the owners of the castle. And in the dungeon of the castle there is an exposition of the Middle Ages. Outside the castle, near the river, there is a preserved power station that was used to light the castle. During the War of the White Rose and the Crane, the owner of Warrick Castle was called the kingmaker. Those. the creator of kings because the pretender for whom Warrick became the king became the king. In the end, Emi's luck changed and he died on the battlefield. laughing I visited this castle 3-4 times. Very very impressive castle and it also has a very beautiful park. hi

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