“They don’t know how to make metal in Europe”: Captured Western-made APU tank turned out to be of poor quality

Captured tank of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Western production, captured by the Russian tank crew, turned out to be of poor quality. At least, that's what the fighters who dragged him to them with their tank think.

War correspondent Alexander Garmaev told about this in the Telegram channel.

Fenders ripped off. It turned out that they don’t know how to make metal in Europe, it crumples like plasticine

- the fighters complain, demonstrating the state of the car.

Garmaev believes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine often fight on “useless scrap metal”, and not on combat vehicles. This is confirmed by the words of the fighters of the T-72B3M crew, which has proven itself in battles. In the Kherson direction, the tank of this crew is known as the Berserk.

The dynamic protection units of the captured tank, which Poland recently supplied to Kyiv, turned out to be empty. Instead of four batteries, there were only two in the car.

Economical, so to speak, help from the West

- Garmaev commented on the quality of foreign equipment supplied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In the battle against the Russian tank, the vehicle was defeated, the Ukrainian crew died all at once. The equipment received significant damage.

As for what specific tank our military got, the report does not say.

Like, 72nd, but it seems not. The radio station was also not ours

- the fighters are discussing the car they got.

Based on their words, it can be assumed that the tank was made in Poland. The Poles transferred Soviet modernized T-72Ms to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, having previously removed Western equipment from them for reasons of secrecy. In addition, later they supplied Kyiv with PT-91 Twardy tanks of their own production, created on the basis of the same T-72. It can be assumed that our tankers got one of them. And since it was about the low quality of metal made in the West, the second option is more likely.

Comments

[AAK]

I believe that after the Izyum-Balakley "lend-lease" for a very long time it is better not to say anything at all about the Ukrainian "trophies", where they have only a few - we had dozens, in a word - the "heroic" Moskvabad guard ...

[hagen]

Quote: AAK

where they have a few - we had dozens, in a word - the "heroic" Moscow Bad Guard ...

What will you prove? Or so in mailing from tsipso it is spoken?

[Nikolay310]

if you carefully read this resource, then you would see the evidence ... and if you can’t remove the colander from your head for the 7th month, then nothing will help you ... believe further that we will take Warsaw one of these days

[hagen]

Quote: Nikolay310

if you carefully read this resource, then you would see evidence

Since when has this resource become an indisputable authority? There are also many freelance essays on unannounced topics. By the way, no one promised to take Warsaw. It made you feel....

[mitroha]

How did you get it, you fucking skakuas.

[lwxx]

Quote: Mitroha

How did you get .

They give.

“Today, an explosion occurred at the Shaikovka military airfield in the Kaluga region. A drone, which allegedly arrived from the border, fell, ”said Shapsha. (Governor of the Kaluga Region)

The military airfield is located only 250 kilometers from Moscow.

[Bolt cutter]

arriving from the border

It could be launched by a worker from a neighboring forest.

[lwxx]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

“Today, an explosion occurred at the Shaikovka military airfield in the Kaluga region. A drone, presumably flown in from the border, has fallen,"

It could, but it didn’t get any easier. The 52nd Guards Heavy Bomber Aviation Regiment is stationed at the Shaikovka airbase. It includes Tu-22M3 long-range supersonic bomber bombers with variable sweep wings.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

It could be launched by a worker from a neighboring forest.

Why doesn't Russia launch such drones near Lvov?

[Alf]

Quote: Shurik70

Quote: Bolt Cutter

It could be launched by a worker from a neighboring forest.

Why doesn't Russia launch such drones near Lvov?

Two questions - Who will run and what?

[Shurik70]

There are such words: saboteur, sabotage and reconnaissance group.
It is Ukrainian saboteurs who launch drones in the depths of Russia, plant bombs under cars, masquerading as locals or refugees.
Ours, too, should take it into service.

[Alf]

Quote: Shurik70

There are such words: saboteur, sabotage and reconnaissance group.

Brilliant! And all my life I thought that foresters make explosions ..
But seriously (no offense), the question is, how can our DRG penetrate under Lvov and what are its chances to get out of there alive? The population around is not at all friendly ... I know that the risk in special forces units is increased, but it’s not a one-way ticket to issue them ...

[Shurik70]

Just like the Ukrainians - masquerading as locals.
Or under the Poles.

[Alf]

Quote: Shurik70

Just like the Ukrainians - masquerading as locals.
Or under the Poles.

Oh, I don’t know ... In the second half of the Second World War, when ours crossed the border, it was hard work for our grounds on the territory of the Reich and the losses went off scale, there were a hostile brainwashed population all around. It was in Belarus that specialists could find a table and shelter in every house, but on the territory of the Reich, every local was an enemy.

[icant007]

Quote: Shurik70

Just like the Ukrainians - masquerading as locals.
Or under the Poles.

If you read the book "Strong in Spirit", there is just about partisan actions in the West. Ukraine, and in particular about Nikolai Kuznetsov, we will understand how difficult it was to organize a partisan movement there in those parts.
The detachments were thrown and one by one died.
It is clear that now is not 1942, and we are not talking about organizing a partisan movement. But still.
In general, I also think that we are quite capable of organizing sabotage in the Ukrainian rear. You can go there under the guise of anyone.

But apparently the GRU special forces are now busy with more prosaic tasks of military intelligence.

[mitroha]

Quote: lwxx

The military airfield is located only 250 kilometers from Moscow.

And where is the B. Church located?

[Asad]

Sounds like a TG ad to me. Every day this happens, they come up with an event and insert another TG channel several times.

[Grem1]

"Dozens", why not hundreds or thousands? Why be modest, because you can name any number, even a million, anyway, the Svidomo public in Samvatas and other Ukraine will believe. You are extremely eager for dashing lies!

[Thrifty]

Is it much safer to fight on the T62? We have thousands of T72 and T80 of various modifications in storage, and hundreds of T90, why are they not in Omsk for deep modernization, or not in Nizhny Tagil? Who decided to send the T62 to the war?

[angry retiree]

T-62s do not attack. They were handed over to the militias and rear groups to protect important objects. The T62 is an excellent tank, simple and reliable.

[Nastia makarova]

got it, everyone is tired of it ..............

[Foundling]

Did they recapture so much territory with "bad" tanks? Fuck

[dmi.pris1]

In 1980, the PNR received a license for the production of T72M tanks. The fact that they put in the Armed Forces of Ukraine without dynamic protection and various goodies does not mean that the tank or armor is bad. This is outwardly not visible.

[2 Level Advisor]

if you read carefully, it was about the metal of the fender liner, and not about the entire tank .. people can’t bend the metal of the tower .. batteries .. and did you look at their power? if it costs two, then 2 worked ... r / st is not ours? logical .. didn’t you invest in dynamic protection? what about the quality of the tank? in general, so-so news, to assess the quality of the tank as a combat unit ..

[Commissar of the NKVD]

Well, if they are 8:1, but the crews are not sorry ... then why not beat them off? A flock of moseks and an elephant will bite

[katarsafebox.com]

When she and the same photograph are shown twenty times and each time with a different caption, this suggests that there are no other trophies. When someone talks about the "colossal losses" of the Russian army during the NVO, he is a Kuevsk propagandist.

[Alf]

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

When someone talks about the "colossal losses" of the Russian army during the NVO, he is a Kuevsk propagandist.

Yes, yes, we don’t have any losses at all, but what does the abandoned T-90M say to this?

[katarsafebox.com]

Since, unlike the Bolo, the T-90 does not have artificial intelligence, I will speak for him: rushing around with a single tank, like with a bell, is ridiculous. And your losses, by the way, are going through the roof - no matter how you grunt about five and a half thousand, this will not cancel the positions littered with your corpses ...

[Alf]

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

Since, unlike the Bolo, the T-90 does not have artificial intelligence, I will speak for him: rushing around with a single tank, like with a bell, is ridiculous. And your losses, by the way, are going through the roof - no matter how you grunt about five and a half thousand, this will not cancel the positions littered with your corpses ...

"You have" who has this?

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

about five and a half thousand,

More precisely...

[katarsafebox.com]

"You have" who has this?

You have it at the Slavaurok.

[Alf]

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

"You have" who has this?

You have it at the Slavaurok.

Did you understand what you said?

[katarsafebox.com]

But you will poke at your sexual partner. And yes, I understand what I'm saying, but you seem to be reading a training manual ...

[Alf]

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

But you will poke at your sexual partner. And yes, I understand what I'm saying, but you seem to be reading a training manual ...

Listen here, I will speak once. It is necessary to speak clearly, and not something indefinite.

[katarsafebox.com]

Do you pay money for nonsense, and the more, the more delusional?

[Alf]

Quote: katarsafebox.ru

Do you pay money for nonsense, and the more, the more delusional?

Are you completely insane?

[flicker]

after the Izyum-Balakley "lend-lease" for a very long time it is better not to say anything at all about the Ukrainian "trophies"

Don't worry like that. Soon we won't say anything not only about Ukrainian trophies - soon no one will say anything about Ukraine.
---
And yes, today is our President Vladimir Putin's birthday:
Health to him, long life! Russia will win!

[Anachoret]

Eurotank)) what can you do with these sodomites))
tolerance in everything) even to enemy shells))

[white fall]

Well, they still understand that this is a war to the last Ukrainian. Well, they don’t supply food, but weapons, that the Slavs slaughtered each other more

[opposite28]

Fenders ripped off. It turned out that they don’t know how to make metal in Europe, it crumples like plasticine

Not a bit not beautiful, freshly imported, fresh customs clearance.

[Babermetis]

Western steel has long been plasticine. Soviet steel is the peak of human thought and labor. I don't know about Russian.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Babermetis

Soviet steel is the peak of human thought and labor.

You tell this to those who did not shave with a safety razor with "Schick" blades (based on patriotic feelings), but preferred "Neva" and "Baltika" blades.
My father brought German instruments (he served in Germany) - they are still in the box.
Ask hunters - they will tell you about German hunting rifles.
Any "peak of human thought" lies on a mountain of data developed in the process of civilization.
I know one thing for sure: Soviet steel and steel from China are two big differences.

[volodimer]

Do not confuse "small" with "soft". Yes, according to razor blades, everything seems to be exactly the same, but not in the "big circle".
During the existence of the CMEA, there was that very notorious division of labor. And while in the USSR metallurgical plants were engaged in the production of, for example, Invar and Ilinvar, the Germans were engaged in improving the production of steels for razors.
Yes, he shaved himself, cut himself with our "blades" and shaved them ...
But when it became necessary to work with alloys with a minimum coefficient of thermal expansion, these could only be found in our factories.
This is just an example of what I have experienced.
If we talk about who has the coolest titanium, I think it makes no sense, everything is clear.
About the difference between our steel and China, again everything is right
As a result, we were able to create technologies for manufacturing complex titanium structures, the Germans created technologies for manufacturing ultra-thin and ultra-sharp stainless steel blades.
Colleague, pretty bent in his statement, but our achievements should not be belittled either. We can

[yuriy55]

Quote: volodimer

Do not confuse "small" with "soft".

I try not to use it often, and I dislike other people's use of 'latrine comparisons'.
It is important for you that good steel of different grades could be brewed in the USSR, but it is important for me that in the world they also did not slurp bast shoes. After the war, all the broken German equipment was melted down.
Do you know what was the most desired souvenir from Germany? Straight razor and hair clipper. We did not create anything, but only used what was offered to us. I was born after the death of Stalin and I remember both the times of the National Union of Artists and the times of the LIB. And it was possible to observe the training of steelmakers at the open-hearth "desks".
Tell me about the buttons or look for yourself in the search? There were some successes in armor steel. For barrel artillery, there were developments in the manufacture of barrels ...
Today, I'm not sure about the existence of those masters who created and executed... In any case, there are enough of them.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Babermetis

Western steel has long been plasticine. Soviet steel is the peak of human thought and labor. I don't know about Russian.

Yeah. And to shave, they looked for blades made of foreign steel. Or did you like to shave with Neva blades?

[Storog dvornik]

For "cleaning up" inscriptions - for example, in documents, breaking with sharp corners NEVA was better than a stainless Vest ...

[Skiff]

Well, yes, yes, yes, and the Aerospace Forces continue to destroy + 100500 aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ....

[Vladimir_2U]

The Poles handed over Soviet modernized T-72Ms to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ... ... they supplied Kyiv with PT-91 Twardy tanks of their own production, created on the basis of the same T-72. ... And since it was about the low quality of metal made in the West, the second option is more likely.

Well, why, the Poles produced the T-72 under license long before the T-91 Tverda.

[Crisp]

Quote: Thrifty

Is it much safer to fight on the T62? We have thousands of T72 and T80 of various modifications in storage, and hundreds of T90, why are they not in Omsk for deep modernization, or not in Nizhny Tagil? Who decided to send the T62 to the war?

Those that are newer are saving for a possible scandal with Poland, and 62 are good to fight with the DRG. Or hasn't it reached yet, a kilometer-long neck with knots? They said they were taking them there.

[oldzek]

Well, you brothers (and sisters) said "a barrel of prisoners." Just think of the slats. In our regiment at the training T-62s, we either didn’t have any at all, or were homemade. The metal on them (Soviet) by the way was so-so, by the way. late 60s.

[loki565]

Strange metal there, pierced the DZ, the forehead of the tower and came out from the back, that is, through the entire tower.

[Yrec]

Export T-72Ms were with simplified armor and FCS. In the countries of the VD, they did not make tanks themselves, they only modernized them. In extreme cases, they were assembled from car kits. The Soviet tanks will run out at the Ukrainians and they will be given Leo-1 and M-60.

[Buyan]

Quote: AAK

I believe that after the Izyum-Balakley "lend-lease" for a very long time it is better not to say anything at all about the Ukrainian "trophies", where they have only a few - we had dozens, in a word - the "heroic" Moskvabad guard ...

How did you get it, skakuas ...

[jovanni]

Therefore, such an exchange - our t 90 for their "hard" - is not beneficial to us at all. No need to change like this...

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

By the way, this is not the first message about empty dynamic protection on tanks coming out.

[Boniface]

Reading something I remembered Leonid Filatova

King

Calls Antires
Your technical progress:
How do you sow rutabagas there -
With skin or not? ..

Ambassador

Yes!

[Petr_Koldunov]

And is it easier? That shouldn't be a concern. Imagine that now on some Ukrainian resource there is news on the captured "Breakthrough": "Metal in Russia knows how to make!". So they measured their trophies - and (no matter how mocking it sounds) it turned out that their trophies are an order of magnitude better. That's what you should be concerned about!

[ximkim]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

got it, everyone is tired of it ..............

There is a

[decimalegio]

What is this article??????? the wing notices and bends??? and from this idiocy a general principle is derived. This is a great discovery, tank builders must be warned that the protection of the crew comes through a stronger fender.

[runway-1]

The note evokes a strange feeling that it was written only to raise the spirit.

The dynamic protection units of the captured tank, which Poland recently supplied to Kyiv, turned out to be empty.

And from "their" side they showed a video where they inspect our abandoned or wrecked tank with a similar problem (it seems there were sheets of rubber in boxes instead of explosives) ...

[katarsafebox.com]

After they took a Russian footage of a captured tank being towed and ran the video backwards, it's hard to believe the Ukrainian videos...

[rotfuks]

In fact, the topic of poor quality metal for Polish tanks was put up for discussion. Known issue. Even during the Second World War, the Germans cooked steel for tanks in the conditions of a deficiency of molybdenum and manganese. Tank steel without these components simply cracked from the impact of shells. The British tanks supplied to the Red Army also had soft armor in which the shells simply stuck in the frontal armor and there was no ricochet. After the battle, the crew with pierced armor was taken to a mass grave, and a hole in the armor was welded up by welding in a rembat and a fresh crew was put into the tank. Poland does not have its own heavy industry, in fact it is an agrarian country that sculpts tanks from foreign components.

[icant007]

Quote: rotfuks

Poland does not have its own heavy industry, in fact it is an agrarian country that sculpts tanks from foreign components.

"Ferrous metallurgy. It produces rolled metal, pipes. It ranks 17th in the world in steelmaking, 90% is exported."

"Main export items:

engineering products - 43%;
raw materials: coal, gold, silver - 14%;
agricultural and food products - 10%;
goods of light and pulp industry - 8%;
construction services - 5%."

[rotfuks]

If we consider the assembly of blenders from Chinese components as mechanical engineering, then the Poles are champions. Just for fun, can you name a well-known Polish brand of tractor, car or bicycle? Maybe Polish motors are known?

[icant007]

Quote: rotfuks

If we consider the assembly of blenders from Chinese components as mechanical engineering, then the Poles are champions. Just for fun, can you name a well-known Polish brand of tractor, car or bicycle? Maybe Polish motors are known?

I can `t get it. Do you just want to argue? Or you are a specialist in Poland or the European economy.

Of course, I will give some data, but it seems to me that you will continue in the spirit - this is all nonsense.
Nevertheless please

"The armored industry is represented by the companies Bumar-Labendy, Huta Steel Will and Military Lay Mechanical" (VZM).

The largest company in the armored industry is Huta Steel Will. It has production facilities for the production of armored combat vehicles created on the basis of Soviet-designed MT-LB for various purposes: remote mining, reconnaissance, repair and recovery, engineering, medical, etc. In addition, this enterprise produces a significant part of artillery weapons for the country's armed forces. Thus, it is mastering the assembly of 155-mm self-propelled guns "Krab" and "Krill" (respectively, based on the RT-91 "Tvardy" tank and an automobile tractor), which were created using British technical developments.

The radio-electronic industry of Poland has significant production capacities and scientific and technical potential, which make it possible to manufacture modern radio-electronic equipment, means of radar, communications, control and aviation navigation equipment, both of its own design and under foreign licenses. The leading enterprises of the industry are "Radvar", "Industrial Center of Optics", PZL "Warsaw-2", "Varel", "Lamina", "Rad-mor", "Irmiks" and "Unimor".

Mesco, a rocket and space company, manufactures Grom and Grom-2 MANPADS, Poprad air defense systems, 3Y-23-2KG/MR anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems, and Spike-LR/ER ATGMs under the license of the Israeli company "Rafael", as well as short-range missiles for MANPADS, ADMS, ZRAK and ATGM for ATGMs. In addition, it has facilities for the production of artillery (calibers 23 and 35 mm) and small arms (calibers 5,56,7,62,9 and 12,7 mm) ammunition, components for aviation NURS S-5MO and S-5KO. At present, an improved version of the Grom MANPADS, called Perun, has been developed, which was put into service at the end of 2012.

[rotfuks]

You just confirmed my point with your post. I wrote about assembling Polish blenders and mixers from Chinese components. You write that they are mastering the assembly of 155-mm self-propelled guns "Crab" and "Krill" from British components based on the RT-91 "Tvardy" tank (Soviet T-72) and on the basis of the Soviet MT-LB. And where is the Polish industry and Polish scientific thought when the Poles mold everything from Soviet stocks and British developments? You made me laugh about the electronic industry in Poland. Poland does not have its own electronic elementary base and sculpts devices from Taiwanese kits, like the blenders I mentioned. And with the Polish achievements you described, Poland's massive purchases of South Korean tanks look strange. Are the Soviet G-72s over?

[icant007]

Quote: rotfuks

You just confirmed my point with your post.

What thought? What is Poland an agricultural country? )))
Given the global division of labor, any country can now be accused of high-tech and scientific narrow-mindedness. Take Russia for example.
So now everyone is sculpting in China and Taiwan.
Iran probably also assembles its UAVs not on its own element base. And the DPRK?
And I do not write about the achievements of Poland.
I'm talking about the fact that it is not necessary to throw hats on Poland.

[rotfuks]

I'm not talking about the elementary base in electronics. With an elementary base of electronics, it is difficult everywhere. But in general, the conversation began about tanks and low-quality steel. Now many countries are sculpting their own tanks without a steel industry and metalworking. It's funny to read with your own tanks in a country where there is no metallurgy. When environmentalists and "greens" crushed any production in the country, what kind of tanks are there?

[Vladimir100]

In the West, they know how to do everything with high quality when necessary and there is a benefit. And this particular case does not mean anything. The tank could be welded at some small enterprise from cheap steel to save money.

[rotfuks]

Was the tank welded by government order at a small enterprise? Do you yourself believe in what you write?

[Codett]

The metal is not of high quality, what a stupid article, this tank can really kill, and after our gifts to steal, it’s better to keep quiet, shame