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"Hetman Mazepa" and other corvettes: unfinished ships with a predictable future

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"Hetman Mazepa" and other corvettes: unfinished ships with a predictable future
"Hetman Mazepa" during launching, October 2, 2022. Photo by the OP of Ukraine



In accordance with the 2020 contract, Turkey is building a series of Ada / MILGEM type corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy. The lead ship of this series was recently launched and work began on the next hull. In total, it is planned to build four or five corvettes in the medium term. However, in the current situation, the prospects for such a shipbuilding program are in doubt.

Construction contracts


On December 14, 2020, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Department of Defense Industry of Turkey signed a contract for the construction of two new corvettes for the Ukrainian fleet. According to the terms of the document, the shipbuilding company Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş became the main contractor. (STM). The actual construction of the ships was entrusted to the RMK Marine shipyard near Istanbul.

A few days later additional agreements appeared. According to their terms, the Okean plant (Nikolaev) was supposed to accept completed ships from Turkey and equip them with the necessary instruments and weapons. In addition, the Turkish side was supposed to transfer the necessary technologies for the construction of two or three more corvettes on the Ocean.

The cost of the lead ship, planned to be built in Turkey, was initially estimated at 8 billion hryvnia (approx. 265 million US dollars). The entire series of four ships, according to Turkish data, would cost the customer more than $ 1 billion in 2020 prices.

According to some estimates, such an estimate took into account only the construction of ships and the installation of basic systems, but did not include weapons and other equipment. Several tens or hundreds of millions of dollars more would have to be spent on such complexes and systems, which would have led to a significant increase in the total cost of the program.

Under construction


The RMK Marine plant began preparations for the construction of the lead corvette last spring. The official laying ceremony took place on September 7 with the participation of officials from the two countries. After that, about a year was spent on the formation of hull structures, installation of the equipment provided, etc.


The ship and guests of the ceremony. Photo OP of Ukraine

On August 18, 2022, the ship was given the name "Hetman Ivan Mazepa" and the number F211. Just the other day, on October 2, a descent ceremony took place in Turkey. In a solemn atmosphere, the decorated unfinished ship was led along the slipway and launched into the water. According to tradition, a bottle of champagne was smashed against the side - but this was not done on the first attempt.

According to the construction plan, in the coming months, the Turkish shipyard will complete the installation of the necessary structures, systems and units. After that, the ship will be handed over to the Ukrainian side and taken to Nikolaev. They are going to install weapons received from foreign suppliers and prepare the ship for testing.

This work takes almost a year. According to the work schedule, the Mazepa should enter the factory sea trials at the end of 2023. They want to conduct them in 2024, and immediately after that the ship is going to be accepted into the Navy.

Also on October 2, the ceremony of the first metal cutting for the second ship of the series took place at the RMK Marine plant. The date of the official bookmark has not yet been announced. Terms of construction, launching, etc. also remain unknown. Probably, in the current situation, the participants in the shipbuilding program simply cannot make plans.

The same applies to the construction of the next two corvettes, which were planned to be laid on the Ocean in the foreseeable future. The Ukrainian shipbuilding industry has lost its potential in recent decades and could not fulfill large and complex orders. After the demilitarizing strikes of the Russian army, these opportunities were also lost.

Project "Island"


The Ada corvette project (“Island”; all Turkish ships of this type are named the Princes' Islands of the Marmara Sea) was developed in the first half of the XNUMXs as part of the larger MILGEM “national ship” program. Such corvettes are designed to operate in the coastal zone and respond to various threats. It provides for the possibility of combating air, surface and underwater targets.


The crew has already been formed for the ship. Photo OP of Ukraine

Ada is a ship with a hull of traditional contours and an "inconspicuous" superstructure, consisting of large planes. The length of such a ship reaches 99,5 m with a width of 14,4 m and a normal draft of 3,9 m. The normal displacement is 2400 tons.

The ship is equipped with a CODAG type power plant from RENK. It consists of two diesel engines with a capacity of 5790 hp each. and one gas turbine engine for 31 thousand hp. Each diesel engine is connected to its own gearbox and rotates one of the two propeller shafts. The power of the gas turbine engine is distributed to both gearboxes in a separate box, and all engines can work simultaneously. With the help of such a power plant, a maximum speed of 30 knots is achieved. The economic one is half that and gives a cruising range of 3500 miles.

Like other MILGEM ships, Ostrov is equipped with a unified Turkish-developed G-MSYS combat information and control system. Associated with it are the SMART-S surveillance radar, radars and fire control devices of various types, the TBT-01 sonar complex, communications equipment, electronic warfare, etc. CICS and other devices allow the ship to operate and solve problems independently or as part of a detachment with the distribution of functions.

On the bow of the ship is a 76-mm gun mount Leonardo Super Rapid. There are also two STAMP combat modules with 12,7 mm machine guns. Earlier plans were reported to install 35-mm systems, but they, apparently, were abandoned. Barrel weapons are controlled remotely using optical and radar means.

The installation of various missile weapons is envisaged. Two launchers with eight Harpoon anti-ship missiles will be placed in the center of the superstructure. For self-defense, Ukrainian corvettes should receive European-designed MICA-M short-range air defense systems.

Anti-submarine weapons are represented by two 324-mm torpedo tubes. Declared compatibility with existing and prospective Turkish and foreign ammunition of the appropriate caliber.


Lead corvette Ada - Heybeliada (F-511). Photo by the Turkish Ministry of Defense

A hangar for a helicopter is placed in the aft part of the superstructure. Turkish corvettes carry one S-70B Seahawk each, as well as a supply of fuel and the necessary equipment. Unmanned aerial vehicles may be used aviation complexes. In the internal compartments of the superstructure, two rigid-hull inflatable boats are transported.

The crew of the corvette Ada consists of 93 people. If necessary, the ship can take on board another 10-13 people. and provide them with comfortable accommodation. Stocks on board are limited. Autonomy is only 10 days. In the presence of support vessels, longer trips are possible.

modern ship


In general, the Ada corvette is a modern ship of its class with fairly wide combat capabilities and good performance characteristics. Depending on the tasks and situation, such ships can work effectively independently or as part of a detachment - other ships will make it possible to compensate for the limitations and shortcomings of the corvette.

"Island" is able to monitor the situation in the air, on water and under water and detect various objects. It can protect itself and other ships from air raids within a radius of 20 km. With the help of Harpoon missiles, surface or coastal targets are hit at ranges of at least 120 km. It also has anti-submarine weapons.

A ship of this appearance is of interest to some customers. So, in 2011-19. four corvettes became part of the Turkish Navy. Since 2020, four more ships have been under construction for Pakistan. The first two pennants will be built by the Turkish industry, and the other two will come from the Pakistani stocks. Ukraine became the next customer for Ada corvettes.

Doubtful prospects


The Kyiv regime wanted four or five Turkish corvettes. The first of them has already been launched, and the second is at the stage of assembling the first structures. However, the prospects for such construction are at least questionable. It is unlikely that it will be completed on time and with planned results.


The third ship of the series, Burgazada (F-513), in a joint NATO exercise. Photo by the US Department of Defense

Reasons for doubt appeared already at the stage of signing the construction contract. So, it was not clear whether Ukraine would be able to pay for a not the cheapest project. In addition, her ability to complete her part of the program to complete and equip ships raised questions. Now both questions are clear. The Kyiv regime will not be able to pay for the construction from its own funds without resorting to outside help. The completion of ships in Nikolaev is generally excluded.

It cannot be ruled out that Ukraine, Turkey and, possibly, foreign partners will be able to find a way out of the current situation and organize the completion of the lead and subsequent ships. In particular, all operations for the installation of weapons can be performed in Turkey. Crew training is also possible there.

However, even such a “positive” scenario requires a lot of time, which Kyiv no longer has. In addition, the completed ship will face a known risk. After the official transfer to the customer, the Hetman Mazepa corvette or other hulls become a potential target for the next Russian demilitarizing strikes. Ships can be destroyed at any time after entering neutral waters.

The adoption of corvettes into the Ukrainian Navy and their full-fledged operation, as well as combat use, simply do not seem possible. They can be hidden in foreign ports, but in this case the entire construction program and all costs lose any meaning.

Untimely project


Thus, in the recent past, Ukraine has found an opportunity to order the construction of several modern foreign-designed ships. The construction process is still proceeding according to the schedule, but now there are no reasons for optimism. Ukraine is undergoing demilitarization, and Turkish-built corvettes have every chance of falling under these processes.

In a different situation, "Mazepa" and other ships of the series would have a chance to enter the service and influence the state of the Ukrainian Navy. But that time has passed, and now the future of such corvettes is quite predictable. As well as the prospects for the Ukrainian fleet as a whole.
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  1. Roust
    Roust 6 October 2022 05: 08
    +8
    Mazepa - to the bottom, the crew - to Bandera or to the fish.
    1. Taimen
      Taimen 6 October 2022 07: 46
      +6
      What are you calling for? Drowning "dear Kyiv partners"? What are you?. We have the Internet, depots, trains, bridges, tunnels, infrastructures, we don't touch logistics, but you want to deprive them of their ships ?.
    2. AAK
      AAK 6 October 2022 11: 15
      -4
      These ships will quite calmly come to Nikolaev, most likely there will be a Turkish crew on board, our "Heroic" Black Sea Fleet is now sitting in the bases, it is not heard or seen, maybe someday they will launch the "Geran" at the outfitting pier in Nikolaev
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 8 October 2022 21: 43
        -2
        Quote: AAK
        our "Heroic" Black Sea Fleet is now sitting in bases

        The Black Sea Fleet is at sea. it's so word for it...
        1. EMMM
          EMMM 11 October 2022 20: 25
          0
          I will add, and still performs combat missions
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 11 October 2022 20: 53
            -1
            Quote: EMMM
            I will add, and still performs combat missions

            What the whole world was convinced of.
            1. EMMM
              EMMM 17 October 2022 21: 50
              -1
              Well, what is it about? You can't even see it...
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 18 October 2022 08: 27
                0
                You, dear point-blank, will not see what and what.
                1. EMMM
                  EMMM 21 October 2022 16: 25
                  0
                  Learn the Russian language first. And then to be rude...
  2. Maxim G
    Maxim G 6 October 2022 05: 12
    +8

    In a different situation, "Mazepa" and other ships of the series would have a chance to enter the service and influence the state of the Ukrainian Navy. But that time has passed, and now the future of such corvettes is quite predictable. As well as the prospects for the Ukrainian fleet as a whole.


    And why did the author decide that Ukraine would not receive these ships?
    And they will not take part in hostilities against Russia?
    So far, everything suggests that the Kyiv regime has survived. And the weapon goes to him.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 October 2022 06: 56
      0
      So far, everything suggests that the Kyiv regime has survived. And the weapon goes to him.

      I don’t understand what it says that the Kyiv regime has survived... Their economy is at the bottom, there are fewer and fewer people to mobilize, terrible losses in the army itself. All that Kiv is holding on to is Western aid. But even there, resources are running out - there is no longer Soviet technology, no one is in a hurry to transfer tanks to them, as well as long-range missiles.
      But all these weapons are not free ... And winter is ahead, and energy resources may suddenly run out. Like EU aid, they have enough problems of their own.
      1. Maxim G
        Maxim G 6 October 2022 07: 09
        +9
        NWO has been going on for 7 months, and at the moment the Russian Federation is losing territories already included in the Russian Federation.

        Why did you decide that the economy is at the bottom, and resources will run out?
        1. Rasp
          Rasp 6 October 2022 08: 30
          -1
          Dear, do not comment to us quickly, but where is the Hetman Sahaidachny corvette right now? And it would be nice for you to speak out and defeat the corvette against the backdrop of the hetman in his current position
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 6 October 2022 08: 36
            +3
            Quote: Rasp
            Dear, do not comment to us quickly, but where is the Hetman Sahaidachny corvette right now? And it would be nice for you to speak out and defeat the corvette against the backdrop of the hetman in his current position

            Ask questions in human language.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 6 October 2022 12: 29
          -2
          Since it really is. Now Ukraine is fighting only at the expense of external injections. And the suppliers of Soviet weapons are running out. All the "victories" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the last from our shortcomings. Western puppeteers unequivocally took the side of military operations with the aim of bleeding the Russian Federation. But how long will they support the 404 if the APU has no results? The bells have already gone down the drain, by the way. Since they understand that in a month, when fresh forces come, the situation will change radically. In this regard, we should hope for a change in tactics and correction of the mistakes of our army.
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 6 October 2022 14: 10
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            But how long will they support the 404 if the APU has no results? The bells have already gone down the drain, by the way. Since they understand that in a month, when fresh forces come, the situation will change radically.

            Has the situation changed radically?
            Or so far only in thoughts, in dreams?
          2. NOMADE
            NOMADE Today, 15: 03
            0
            А у нас? Нечто похожее, советского оружия всё меньше (артиллерия, боеприпасы к ним, фаб с истребителей бросаем..), а новой техники мало на передовой. Всё по сути на прошлом наследие Великой страны, и на людях.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 6 October 2022 11: 56
        +6
        They have an economy at the bottom,


        The current state of the economy with 100% social security (and it is paid), a rate of 40, withholding tariffs (and they are being held this heating season), as well as military spending - 2,8-3,5 billion dollars a month in deficit.

        The United States allocates 1,5 billion monthly under the adopted program until the signing of a recognized agreement (that is, as follows from the adopted document, these 1,5 billion will be paid monthly for at least 100 years). Europe allocated 9 billion by the end of the year and Ursula is now working on the program for 23 years, so that there are no jambs with a delay of 2 months of actual payments.

        Even Skabeeva is already openly saying, enough to entertain hopes of a default, that they will freeze, they won’t find a winter uniform, etc. They will have everything, you need to proceed from this.

        Now about Weapons, there are 5 main types of getting weapons:
        - As a gift from the presence or reserve. Ukraine pays nothing or pays transport services.
        - Direct financing by third countries. For example, Germany is right now financing the repair and delivery of 50 Soviet-type infantry fighting vehicles in a third country (Poland or the Czech Republic), and Britain is similarly restoring Belgian M109s and Norwegian M270s to send them.
        - International funds. The same peace fund that finances quite a lot of purchases, including the most dubious ones (as Ben Wallace said, the Kremlin would be very surprised where we manage to purchase weapons for Ukraine). EU Foundation. Various other similar options, for example, 16 Suzanne-2 in 2023, Ukraine receives for free.
        - Loans, mostly with a minimum interest. For example, purchases of PZ2000, various weapons, ammunition, vehicles and other vehicles go here.
        - Money. These are the corvettes, but a significant percentage of the money was transferred to them before February 24th. Bayraktars. Shells and rockets of Soviet types in the same Bulgaria and Romania.

        Now probably 3/4 of the deliveries are already on a non-refundable basis, that is, for nothing.
      3. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 6 October 2022 14: 32
        +4
        the fact that the economy there is at the bottom has been heard for more than a dozen years. It has been especially loud since 2014. Duck here is something is not at the bottom. Of course, one can recall the "Russian economy torn to shreds" or the US government debt. this is all bullshit in the end.
        1. Fedor M
          Fedor M 7 October 2022 02: 54
          -1
          The economy at the bottom is when it goes down all the time. Since 2014, I have never heard about the growth of the economy in Ukraine
    2. EMMM
      EMMM 11 October 2022 20: 27
      0
      Kyiv regime survived

      Let's see if it lasts?
    3. EMMM
      EMMM 17 October 2022 21: 52
      0
      But Turkey has a great chance to build one and a half frigates for itself at the expense of the Ukrainian loan.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 6 October 2022 05: 17
    +1
    After that, the ship will be handed over to the Ukrainian side and taken to Nikolaev.

    Seriously... smile and our Black Sea Fleet will calmly look at it ... remembering the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet as a flood. what
    1. Maxim G
      Maxim G 6 October 2022 07: 19
      -3
      Seriously ... smile and our Black Sea Fleet will calmly look at it ... remembering the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet as a deluge.

      1. the same doctor
        the same doctor 6 October 2022 08: 31
        -1
        He will stand and look at the ships sailing under the Turkish flag. Ours has neither the courage to fight, nor the skill, nor the knowledge of history, nor successful political experience.
        1. Fedor M
          Fedor M 7 October 2022 02: 56
          0
          Yes, even under the American flag! Nothing prevents a fixed target at the pier in Nikolaev from sinking
  4. mad big
    mad big 6 October 2022 06: 29
    +1
    In this case, only the crew was lucky. Everyone is fighting, and they are sitting in warmth and satiety. It won't work out with Nikolaev. So they will sit in Turkey or leave to rearm in France or England.
    In general, a beautiful ship is a beautiful torpedo. Or a rocket. Its value in modern conditions is zero.
    1. Maxim G
      Maxim G 6 October 2022 07: 41
      -2
      Quote from mad big
      In this case, only the crew was lucky. Everyone is fighting, and they are sitting in warmth and satiety. It won't work out with Nikolaev.

      They will come to Odessa.
      1. mad big
        mad big 6 October 2022 08: 06
        -3
        Will they come? Let them take the risk and we'll see.
        1. Maxim G
          Maxim G 6 October 2022 08: 14
          +3
          What to watch?
          The weapons end up in Ukraine.
          The stream doesn't stop.
          1. Fedor M
            Fedor M 7 October 2022 02: 58
            0
            Well, this is a ship, you can’t deliver it by train or trawl, you can’t put it in a truck
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 October 2022 08: 05
    +1
    . After that, the ship will be handed over to the Ukrainian side and taken to Nikolaev.

    I wonder how many "Calibers" are needed for the "Hetman" to drown at the pier of the "Ocean"?
    And in general, as far as I remember, "Ocean" has long been bankrupt and does not exist.
  6. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 6 October 2022 08: 26
    -3
    They write that Mazepa was eaten by lice? So it will be with this corvette. What will you call the boat ...
  7. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 6 October 2022 08: 29
    +1
    With such a rate of SVO, the Turks can manage to rivet a full-fledged AUG.))
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 6 October 2022 11: 47
      +1
      To build iron, but not half the battle, but to saturate the body with equipment and weapons, a different construction speed.
      1. AVESSALOM
        AVESSALOM 6 October 2022 15: 57
        -1
        With such slowness of Putin, who "has not started yet" and, it seems, does not want to, they are riveted and satiated.
  8. NKT
    NKT 6 October 2022 09: 21
    +3
    The RMK Marine plant began preparations for the construction of the lead corvette last spring. The official laying ceremony took place on September 7 with the participation of officials from the two countries. After that, about a year was spent on the formation of hull structures, installation of the equipment provided, etc.


    The Turks quickly formed a corps, we would build like that.
  9. EFIM LYUBIN
    EFIM LYUBIN 6 October 2022 09: 27
    -3
    A very strange war! Ukraine and NATO Russia - a load of 200, and Russia gives them energy resources, strategic raw materials and other "bonuses" ... Not a war for the survival of Russia, but sheer betrayal and hatred! When will they start destroying the infrastructure for delivering weapons to Ukraine? Or Russian oligarch thieves against the destruction of their property on the territory of an enemy state? Corruption destroys Russia! Do not reproach for it is necessary - to shoot!!!
  10. solar
    solar 6 October 2022 09: 28
    +4
    Stocks on board are limited.

    The author is amused. And what, there are ships with unlimited supplies on board?
    In a different situation, "Mazepa" and other ships of the series would have a chance to enter the service and influence the state of the Ukrainian Navy. But that time has passed, and now the future of such corvettes is quite predictable.

    No one is transmitting these corvettes right now. In addition, somewhere in England, I remember, a contract was signed for the construction of modern missile boats for the Ukrainian fleet. There is also a high probability that if the hostilities drag on, then Ukraine will also receive American aircraft. And the situation in the Black Sea may well change in this case.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 October 2022 12: 01
      +5
      For boats - the contract was canceled by agreement of the parties in the spring. There, a small amount of funds went away and the rest (from the operating system, design and preparatory work) was transferred to finance other more priority areas.

      For the same corvette, 2/3 of the money had already been paid on February 24, and for the one on which they began to cut, there was also a basic payment.


      Now the plan has been adjusted, the ship will be fully completed, armed and accepted by the crew in Turkey.
    2. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 6 October 2022 14: 34
      +1
      this is ryabov. copy-paste wiki and vulgar news. zero analysis. and your thoughts.
  11. Cheburek
    Cheburek 6 October 2022 10: 33
    +1
    There will be no questionable results, because. The United States took Ukraine under external control, now they will control most of the military spending allocated by the United States. Incl. Ukrainians will have military equipment and ships. Commentary is my personal opinion.
  12. Sergey39
    Sergey39 6 October 2022 11: 44
    0
    Two, no three questions? How will it be delivered to Nikolaev (in the presence of the Black Sea Fleet)? Possibility of its completion in Nikolaev? Does the Black Sea Fleet need this unfinished?
  13. donavi49
    donavi49 6 October 2022 12: 09
    +1
    STAMP with 12,7mm machine guns. Plans to install 35 mm systems were previously reported, but they apparently were abandoned.


    No. Everything is there. Initially, they planned to order a 35 mm German Millennium system, and as a result they delivered the Turkish Aselsan Gokdeniz.


    At the same time, it is not a ban, but closer cooperation with the Turks on similar systems (they are still ground-based if that).
    1. solar
      solar 6 October 2022 13: 07
      +1
      Aselsan Gokdeniz, effective range 4 km.
      Shells with remote programmable detonation against anti-ship missiles, UAVs and aircraft and fragmentation-incendiary against aircraft and boats.
      On its basis, the Turks make GOKDENIZ ER, an analogue of the American SeaRAM Block-2 air defense system with more powerful missiles.
  14. Rosemary
    Rosemary 6 October 2022 13: 09
    -2
    According to tradition, a bottle of champagne was smashed against the side - but this was not done on the first attempt.


    Bad sign. It is believed that if you didn’t succeed in breaking the bottle the first time, then the ship will be haunted by troubles and accidents throughout its entire service.
    1. solar
      solar 6 October 2022 15: 25
      +3
      With this bottle, the question is, where did the author get it from? The video of the bottle breaking could not be found. There is no platform from which this is usually done, and the remains of the bottle are not visible during the descent, as is usually the case. There is a video of the descent itself, there Zelensky’s wife cuts through the symbolic fastening end with some hatchet, starting the descent, but no bottles are visible
      1. Rosemary
        Rosemary 6 October 2022 16: 48
        0
        Quote from solar
        With this bottle, the question is, where did the author get it from?


        Well, the author may have personally attended the descent smile
        1. solar
          solar 6 October 2022 17: 54
          +1
          Then he would post a video of himself :)
  15. Nephilim
    Nephilim 6 October 2022 17: 18
    +1
    An article by the same author dated July 198449 of this year: "Politics, economy and fears: problems of military-technical assistance for Ukraine" pomoschi-dlja-ukrainy.html).
    Over the past few months, foreign countries have been constantly transferring various military products to Ukraine, incl. weapons and equipment. It was assumed that such assistance would help the Kyiv regime successfully resist the Russian army, but such forecasts did not come true ... Foreign countries will continue to support the Kyiv regime, but real steps in this direction will be modest and ineffective.

    Now he writes the same about the Navy. The author reminds the hero of Saltykov - Shchedrin:
    After that, the mayor took off his own head and handed it to me. Looking closer at the box before me, I found that it contained in one corner a small organ capable of playing some simple pieces of music. There were two of these plays: “I will ruin!” and “I will not tolerate!”.
  16. Crisp
    Crisp 6 October 2022 18: 08
    0
    Quote: Maxim G

    In a different situation, "Mazepa" and other ships of the series would have a chance to enter the service and influence the state of the Ukrainian Navy. But that time has passed, and now the future of such corvettes is quite predictable. As well as the prospects for the Ukrainian fleet as a whole.


    And why did the author decide that Ukraine would not receive these ships?
    And they will not take part in hostilities against Russia?
    So far, everything suggests that the Kyiv regime has survived. And the weapon goes to him.

    You have a bad head. The regime did not "stand" but POVIS. On debts exceeding the country's GDP. With obvious signs of defeat, the regime will be denied funding and will start to pull out debts, which they can. Otherwise, you will have to explain to your people about throwing those tens of billions into a notorious dead man.
  17. Boniface
    Boniface 6 October 2022 21: 19
    0
    I will say right away - this "floating" (sailors will understand what the joke is) suitcase is a "useless toy" - if only because it does not have a sonar system!
    The second joke is that - the Navy will not let this "trough" crawl to the shores of the country of the Saloeds!
  18. Shtat
    Shtat 7 October 2022 05: 54
    0
    We'll take it as a donation. Let's put a radio tape recorder in Yalta.
  19. Seamaster
    Seamaster 7 October 2022 23: 59
    0
    The first problem will be - WHAT and WHERE to equip it. No one contracted these guns / missiles / bombs and torpedoes for him.
    To drive into service in England \ France \ Burundi? The Turks will release him unarmed from the Black Sea, but not back with guns.
    Breakthrough to Nikolaev \ Odessa - funny. They drowned their "Saiga" themselves. To avoid.
    There is only one way out: urgently re-equip the cruiser "Ukraine" according to the full scheme and send it to cover the "Mazepa" at the crossing to Kyiv along the Dnieper. And hide under the bridge in Kyiv.
  20. Cetarb kilk
    Cetarb kilk 11 October 2022 08: 34
    +1
    More interested in the prospects of our 22350. Are we all right? How about "perspectives"?
    Tired of reading bravura articles about the "vague prospects" of Ukrainians.
  21. Rakitin
    Rakitin 11 October 2022 14: 45
    +1
    Ukro-figures, probably, did not even understand the whole symbolism of what was happening. Hetman Mazepa died in the Ottoman Empire. They named a ship under construction in Turkey after him...
  22. blackcat
    blackcat 12 October 2022 15: 54
    0
    The Turks themselves will complete the construction and take it for themselves, for debts am
  23. Igor Korbut
    Igor Korbut 17 November 2022 16: 15
    0
    As you call the ship, such is its fate