"Overabundance of officers": how the higher military education of Russia was destroyed

Catherine Palace in Lefortovo, former armored academy. Now it's just a cultural heritage site. Source: wikipedia.ru

Chronicles of contraction

The first military universities went under the knife in 1992 - these were the Leningrad Higher Military-Political Air Defense School and the Khabarovsk Higher Military Construction Command School. If on the basis of the second they created the border institute of the FSB, which is still alive, then the command school of air defense radio electronics from Vilnius was transferred to the place of the first, which was subsequently safely closed in 2010.

By the end of the nineties, at least twenty-five military schools had been reduced or redesigned. At the same time, we must pay tribute, the "reformers" had convincing arguments in favor of reducing military education. First of all, officers in such numbers were not needed. The Soviet army had 5 million personnel, the officer corps for which was trained by 166 military universities. The managers considered that a five-fold reduction in the army would require a large-scale reform of military education, read, reduction or reprofiling.

Only here it is worth remembering that a considerable part of military schools with the collapse of the USSR had nothing to do with Russia at all. To put it simply, the country that broke up into separate states optimized itself in terms of military education. For example, only in Ukraine there are unique military academies of military air defense, military schools in Poltava and Kyiv.

The thrifty strategists from the Ministry of Defense were especially impressed by the two hundred graduates of flight schools who were forced to retire from the army in the mid-90s in their first year of service. Allegedly due to the lack of staff positions. The strategists did not take into account the months-long delays in wages, the total shortage of fuel and the general atmosphere of the collapse of the army. Maybe that's why the young lieutenants quit?

The second reason why military education required serious reorganization was the high depreciation of fixed assets. The consequences of perestroika were revealed in all their glory. According to the MoD, by the early 2000s, educational equipment and other infrastructure had not been updated for twenty to thirty years. There could be no question of re-equipment - the financing of the army was not in vogue then, so it seemed very logical to everyone to simply dissolve the schools.

It is probably not entirely correct to draw parallels, but in 2022, after seven months of a special operation in Ukraine, the Ministry of Defense was forced to mobilize officers up to colonels. Should this be seen as an echo of the “optimization” of military schools in the XNUMXs and XNUMXs? The question, of course, is rhetorical and debatable at the same time.

Another reason for the reduction in the number of military schools was the imperfection of legislation and the decline in the prestige of the profession. It so happened that four years of military school were equated to two years of military service. For a certain part of those liable for military service, this was quite a convenient prospect - whatever one may say, it is much more comfortable to be a temporary cadet than a soldier or sergeant. After four years of service, military schools lost up to 40 percent of students - this, in particular, happened at the Orenburg anti-aircraft missile command school.

The reasons for the closure of most military schools were also recorded as low academic performance and physical training of cadets, weak teaching staff and other nit-picking, primarily related to the unwillingness to finance the military industry.

As a result, we see the following picture. If until 1991 the Ministry of Defense annually graduated up to 60 thousand officers from 166 military universities, by 2007 the number of educational institutions had decreased to 68, and by 2012 to 45.

academies are not needed

Evaluate the verbiage of the military ministry of that time, explaining the need to close part of the military schools:

"an economically unjustified and excessively costly mechanism for the implementation of a non-optimal structure of educational programs for the training of officers by a non-optimal network of military universities."

Under the reduction were not only schools, but also military academies. Among others, they lost their independence and dissolved in the VUNTS "Combined Arms Academy", the Military Engineering Academy and the Military Academy of the RKhBZ. Under the wing of the same educational institution in 1998, the unique Red Banner Academy of Armored Forces named after Marshal of the Soviet Union R. Ya. Malinovsky was attached. The Academy existed since 1932 and died quietly at the turn of the century.

The worldwide craze of underestimation tanks on the battlefield was one of the reasons for stopping the famous academy. It is worth pointing out separately that each school, and even more so the academy, is also a research institute that conducts serious applied and fundamental work in the military field. With the reorganization, educational institutions lost both the unique testing base and the teaching staff. Whom to retire, and who to the street.

According to the most conservative estimates, it will take at least 10 years to restore the training system for tank officers at the previous academic level. The same amount of time is needed to restore scientific schools and nurture the teaching staff.

Probably, I will write a seditious thought, but if the armored academy had not been dissolved in the Combined Arms Academy, the tanks in Ukraine would not have been covered from Javelins with bars on the towers.

The situation is similar with the military medical institutes disbanded in 2010 in Tomsk, Saratov and Samara. The rule is simple - the fewer specialists lobby for the promotion of a particular solution (for example, a modern first-aid kit for a soldier), the less likely it is to appear at the front.

Instead of several specialized academies of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, now there is one - the Military Educational and Scientific Center of the Ground Forces "Combined Arms Orders of Lenin and the October Revolution, Red Banner, Order of Suvorov Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation." Source: wikipedia.ru

If the armored academy could not be defended or restored, then the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense. G.K. Zhukov was more fortunate. Mr. Serdyukov signed the verdict in 2012 to this educational institution, which trained air defense officers of the operational level. The one-of-a-kind academy was to join the Air Force Academy. Mozhaisky, that is, to dissolve almost without a trace. It was possible to bring the university back to life only after the resignation of Serdyukov by a special order from Shoigu in 2013.

One of the innovations in the system of military education was the transition from two-year training for officers of operational-tactical specialties to ten-month courses.

This is most likely appropriate in wartime, but not for the 2000s. Technique and martial art takes more time to master. As if not realizing this, in 1996 most military academies reduced the term of study from three years to two. There were also absolutely amazing incidents, if not stronger.

So, in 2010, all military universities in Russia did not produce a set of chimes. Why? According to the Deputy Head of the Personnel Department of the Ministry of Defense Fraltsova, this is due to "an overabundance of officer personnel and a shortage of relevant positions in the armed forces." And now calculate how critically this affected the turnover of senior command personnel after only ten to twelve years.

Another one came in 2018 news - The Ministry of Defense decided to accelerate the release of combined arms commanders. Now you can become an infantry lieutenant in four years.

Summing up, we can say that not all the liquidations of military universities should be remembered with regret. For example, the aforementioned Leningrad Higher Military-Political School of Air Defense had to retire in connection with the destruction of the very institution of the CPSU. But the total liquidation of military construction schools, of course, is a mistake. Spetsstroy did not need specialists? Especially now, when it is urgently necessary to restore the destroyed economy of four new regions of Russia. The state has lost at least four specialized schools.

There are two tank schools on the list of reduced schools - in Chelyabinsk and Blagoveshchensk. It turned out that in future network-centric wars, which the General Staff so zealously promoted, artillery would not be so significant. Please destroy artillery schools in Tula, Kazan, St. Petersburg, Kolomna and Yekaterinburg. About how important artillery and especially the training of military personnel, the special operation showed in all its glory.

Got it and the military aviation. Analysts of the Ministry of Defense considered that military aviation schools of various profiles in Kurgan, Stavropol, Barnaul, Yeisk, Volgograd, Orenburg, Tambov, Ufa, Irkutsk, Tambov, Achinsk, Kirov, Kaliningrad, Krasnodar, Lebyazhye and Perm would be superfluous. I hope that at least reservists can be placed in the buildings of these schools.

By the way, about partial mobilization.

You will laugh, but in 2011 in Saratov the Military Institute for Advanced Training of Specialists of the Mobilization Bodies was abolished as unnecessary. They created it for a reason immediately after the Great Patriotic War, as they perfectly understood the complexity and importance of the operational mobilization of the reserve. The Institute trained officers in ten specialties in five departments. It turned out not to be needed.

Comments

[Roust]

A reckless policy yesterday, reaps bitter fruits today and can destroy us tomorrow.

[ammunition]

Quote: Roust

Reckless politics

I have long matured confidence that politics is by no means reckless. Vice versa! Purposeful.
The fact is that a whole complex of state and social systems was inherited from the USSR. - Education, medicine, science .. etc. I will not list.
Among them and army how wise.. complex and viable system. And politics (from the very top), set itself to - destroy to zero , any Soviet system of the life of the country (be it the forestry system .. or the pension system .. etc.). So that nothing reminds of the USSR. And the better any Soviet system worked, the sooner it needed to be destroyed. Replacing any .. arbitrarily ugly neoplasm.
And the "Serdyukov reform" was carried out with the aim of destroying the Soviet army. The fact is that the people instinctively resisted all these "reforms" over the past 32 years.
So .. politics is not crazy at all! Vice versa! Thoughtful and purposeful. How much money was spent on one propaganda! .. To convince the people that "it will be better" .. And even a leapfrog of new names .. is not accidental.
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Briefly speaking. Now it is as it is. And even criminally ordered .. to shout Hurrah! and admire this .. neoplasm, which is called the 2nd army of the world. And everything rests .. on the enthusiasm and patience and dedication of soldiers and officers (not all)

[Per se.]

Quote: ammunition

Vice versa! Purposeful.

So, everything goes according to plan, and a very cunning plan. The Soviet Union fell, but the great Soviet legacy remained, first of all, the fundamental one - health care, education, the army. The fact that the West does not need a strong Russia should already be a historical axiom, moreover, even with the tsar, even with the communists, even with corrupt liberals. Thanks to the USSR, socialism, the world was truly multipolar, socialism gave independence from the world influence of big capital, from such ghouls as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and similar "masters of the world." With the advent of transnational monopolies, even competition, as an advertising good of capitalism, began to turn into a fiction.

We are in capitalism, which our renegades from the CPSU picked up from the dustbin of history. The leader and master of capitalism, who defeated the Anglo-Saxons, whom Russia, with residual potential from the USSR, is a headache. Until now, thanks to the Soviet margin of safety, Russia is the only country in the world that can guarantee the destruction of the United States. A country in which only "galoshes were made" left a powerful science, a nuclear missile shield, and space achievements. It had to be destroyed. If the drunkard Yeltsin behaved like an "elephant in a china shop", disgracing himself personally, the country, and, most importantly, discrediting capitalism itself, then another leader was needed. The issue was resolved, with the appointment of a successor. Has Russia risen "from its knees" after this? Question... With one hand they seem to be creating, with the other they are destroying, half-measures, belated decisions that have not yet been implemented, but, under fireworks and holidays. Such a funeral with dances and rainbow promises.

We must understand that it is not our corrupt and dependent oligarchs, with their selfish interests, who are the enemies of the West, but, namely, the residual Soviet potential, primarily nuclear missile. To this, the destruction of the army, science, education, including the military. Our oligarchs have not been with Russia for a long time, everything is with the West, they only milk Russia, rob. But, to surrender immediately to the owners and our nuclear weapons interfere, to surrender the country at the same time - they will not understand, there will be a riot, they will be raised on bayonets and pitchforks. Therefore, a cunning plan, when Russia is drained of blood, and in the name of peace, humanism and tolerance, it will be necessary to accept a humiliating ultimatum, under which we will be completely disarmed.

Many remember "who is to blame and what to do" ... Blame the bourgeoisie and world capitalism, which has a new crisis. What to do, to revive the planned economy and people's power, to create a pole of power on the planet that is truly independent of capitalism. Abandon the cult of money and the selfish morality of consumers. Otherwise, nothing good will come to us.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Per se.

Blame the bourgeoisie and world capitalism, which has a new crisis. What to do, to revive the planned economy and people's power, to create a pole of power on the planet that is truly independent of capitalism. Abandon the cult of money and the selfish morality of consumers. Otherwise, nothing good will come to us.

Yeah, it happened once, because several favorable factors came together at the same time: the global struggle of the capitalists, the complete decomposition of their own power and elites, bringing their own people to the limit of patience. Who will allow it now?

To Article:

The Ministry of Defense is forced to mobilize officers up to colonels. Should this be seen as an echo of the “optimization” of military schools in the XNUMXs and XNUMXs? The question, of course, is rhetorical and debatable at the same time.

It's one thing if this colonel himself was a regimental commander and chief of staff of a regiment, it's another if he is a signalman or a rocket man ... For me, it's better to promote a combat battalion commander in the rank to a regimental commander, about commanders to a battalion commander, than to rely on reservists.

[Per se.]

Quote: Doccor18

Yeah, it worked out once, because several favorable factors came together at the same time

Alexander, now the situation is very similar. It was not Yeltsin who appointed "furniture maker" Serdyukov to ruin the army, the journalist Rogozin was also appointed to the space industry. Our Central Bank is actually headed by an agent of foreign influence from the IMF, the Central Bank was least of all concerned about the development of the Russian economy, hundreds of billions flowed over the hill. Our National Guard actually outdid the ground forces in terms of numbers. You can list for a long time what came into our reality after 1999. The prospect of a pension reform was denied, the Banderaites were threatened "let them just try" or the Turks "they won't get off with tomatoes," but... It's getting more and more difficult to maintain an image and pull up a rating by puffing out empty cheeks.

They blew up gas pipelines, blew up the Crimean bridge, they have been shelling Russian territory for a long time, and, what... Who did not allow Donbass to be recognized immediately, in 2014, who prevented supporting the "Russian Spring"? After all, powers were requested, troops were drawn to the border, we had a legitimate Yanukovych and Prime Minister Azarov! ... Alas, everything was blown away, they played the hysterical video “Putin, bring in the troops!” on TV, explaining to the people that this cannot be done, there will be a war with NATO. There was no need to bring in troops, at least they did not recognize the farce with the "elections" in Kyiv, allowing the junta to legalize.

For so many years, the DPR and LPR have been called "self-proclaimed republics", so let them try it for you. They tried, they killed Russians, they prepared for 8 years. What did we prepare for the SVO in 8 years, or was it an impromptu, some kind of military show, at the level of "tank biathlon"? Who didn’t let them fight normally here, why didn’t they immediately suppress all significant targets with a preventive strike, smearing single strikes on “sheds”, with piece-by-piece production of high-precision missiles?

The problem would not have been that Nazi Ukraine was ready to seize the Donbass and enter the Crimea, we would have been chewing snot for another 8 years.
The selfish interests of our capitalists did not really give a fight. Bridges across the Dnieper, infrastructure in western Ukraine, these are their interests, their business. Paradoxically, the country in which they are going to do "demilitarization" and "denazification" continues to pay money for the transit of gas and ammonia. The Yankees would not have blown up the gas pipelines, if the West had given permission, they would have continued to pump gas to the enemies at full speed. That way, Hitler would have continued to be supplied with resources, just pay. They, our moneybags, together with the West, are the true puppeteers of Russia.

But, "the greed of the fraer ruined", the NWO can become not only a semblance of the shame of the Russian-Japanese war, but also the situation of 1917. Now the question is no longer a rating for the authorities, but the very existence of Russia. It is no longer possible to fool the people further, especially since a new "man with a gun" appears who will see and understand a lot at the front.

[Doccor18]

You wrote correctly, but so far there are no those terms. World capital now has strength and is more or less in solidarity, and the peoples in all countries are being oppressed on all fronts, and the peoples are divided, the vast majority of wage workers do not have a sense of belonging to the proletarian class, petty-bourgeois values ​​are still very strong, and the authorities are at least unpopular, but they still firmly hold power in their hands, as always relying on law enforcement agencies, and most importantly, there is no alternative socialist force that could lead.

Quote: Per se.

It is no longer possible to fool people's heads ...

You can, as much as you can, ad infinitum...

Quote: Per se.

... that there is a new "man with a gun"

Come on you. Some dutifully went to fight, others found a way not to go, others ran over the hill. Where is the "new man"?

[Turkir]

European prosperity was based on cheap energy from Russia. These are the words of the head of European diplomacy, Josep Borrell, who was forced to acknowledge the obvious consequences of anti-Russian sanctions. The problems that the Old World has created for itself are growing like a snowball. So in Germany, more and more companies are at risk of ruin, the number of bankrupt enterprises in September increased by a third compared to last year. And it will get even worse. This conclusion was reached by specialists from the Leibniz Institute for Economic Research. European media are discussing how rapidly firewood prices have risen, in France almost doubled, in Romania they had to limit their cost for six months, and Hungary completely banned the export of pallets. And now in the EU countries they are talking about the United States trying to establish economic dominance by weakening Europe. The Minister of Economy of France drew attention to this. He said: Washington sells its liquefied natural gas to Europeans several times more expensive than to its own, American industrialists.

Well, if Zhopez himself admitted through his teeth that the well-being of Europe "turns out" was based on the supply of energy carriers from Russia, then there is only one conclusion: you cannot speak with us from a position of strength. And let the limitrophes draw conclusions and bark less. They will be better off.
Quote from the article: "Josep Borrell was forced to recognize the obvious consequences of anti-Russian sanctions"

[Doccor18]

Quote: Turkir

... limitrophs let them draw conclusions ...

That's why they are "limitrophes", as well as other dependent and semi-independent states, what others do and will do for them - the highest (in rank) capitalist countries. Politics is nothing compared to economics. The United States began to lose its former power, and we are contemplating a new global crisis, wars and other charms of the "American-style democratic world." Once again, the only beneficiaries of this entire apocalypse will be the capitalists on the hill, the TNCs will be the beneficiaries. And the fact that Europe is turning into a semi-periphery does not bother anyone except the peoples of Europe themselves ...

Quote: Turkir

They will be better off

They will never be better. Under capitalism, all dependent territories become only weaker and dumber year by year. Miracles don't happen there.

[boni592807]

Doccor18 (Alexander). October 9, 2022 17:56. NEW -
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Correctly you wrote, but so far there are no those terms.
Global capital now has strength and is more or less in solidarity,
... and the nations are divided, The vast majority of wage workers do not have a sense of belonging to the proletarian class, petty-bourgeois values ​​are still very strong, .....

Quote: Per se.
... that there is a new "man with a gun"

Oh well you. Some dutifully went to war , others have found a way not to go, the third - ran over the hill.
Where is the "new man"?

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Colleague, it seems that in VO people with a secondary education and such PEARLS?
in PART of the first components - capital. peoples. the overwhelming number of hired workers and their values ​​...Familiarize yourself with the situation by 1917 and, in general, with the history of the emergence of the USSR.

On your question - "Where is the" new man "?

Тas you yourself called - those. who went to fight in particular on partial mobilization. and those who "help" the Ministry of Defense and the State to provide the RF Armed Forces,
"Humbly" do not go to war. how did you write - "...others have found a way not to go, the third - ran over the hill.
And the rest according to the classics - "the top can't LI? and the lower classes want LI?"
[b] The process has begun and will continue. WHAT WILL BE!

[nordscout]

Very competently and essentially "Per se"! I disagree with one thing - the people can continue to be "fooled" because this people has been "brainwashed" by the ideology of capitalism for more than 30 years. At present, this is not the masses of the people, but a certain "volume" of disabled Unified State Examinations and "indifferent" - egoists driven by the "realities" of modern Russian oligarchic capitalism into an egoistic "cocoon" with rare "blotches" of those who remember the USSR, who are proud of it who are "well" with a head and an analysis of what is happening, but their age is already well over 60 and there are fewer and fewer of them .... And the current "Komsomol volunteers" are a rare exception in our ideologically empty life, like a certain "genetic surprise", "gift" in our "greenish" (dollar color) life, but rather existence, under the "crackle" of festive fireworks, victorious fanfares and reports, tear-squeezing patriotic rallies and hysterical cries, from the stands, about the "Russian world" and the "divine" destiny of Russia ....

[Roust]

Strongly! Right! Exactly. Thank you

[Grancer81]

The beginning of the collapse of the army was laid not under Yeltsin, not even under Gorbachev, it began before the death of the beloved Leonid Ilyich ...

[Drugov]

The army in this context has suffered the most and the reason for this is Putin's pathological fear of strengthening the image, recognition and fame of military leaders of any rank. He understood that only the military could change state power, so the strategy of destruction and the principle of divide and conquer were consistently pursued.

[skeptic]

For example, only in Ukraine there are unique military academies of military air defense, military schools in Poltava and Kyiv.

Is it any wonder that the Russian Aerospace Forces are "rubbing" within the front line?

Quote: Drugov

The army in this context has suffered the most and the reason for this is Putin's pathological fear of strengthening the image, recognition and fame of military leaders of any rank. He understood that only the military could change state power ...

It is not necessary to judge so unambiguously. "The retinue makes the king."

[Ilya-spb]

It is necessary to arrest the traitors - the oligarchs.

Need cleaning and revision of the results of privatization. Revision of totals for industry.
We need to defeat the "fifth" column!

As long as there is no order in the rear and traitors are sitting, there will be no peace at the front.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Need cleaning and revision of the results of privatization.

One very respected person has already made it clear that there will be no revision of the results of privatization.
And many keep themselves in vain hopes...

[dauria]

One very respected person

No, not like that... "One, in the past a very respected person ... ". The gilding fell off, and the icon was infested with flies.
And it's amazing - I would have left before "zeroing" in the 18th. Having dumped both the pension reform and the mine of Donbass on the successor. And in fact, he would go down in history as a statesman, who would be remembered "There was a human being !!!"
Still, our oligarchs are stupid - the screen needs to be changed more often than once every quarter of a century.

[Doccor18]

Quote: dauria

Still, our oligarchs are stupid

Debatable...
It is possible that they would not have forgiven another, they would have demolished with their mighty and righteous people's anger, but to him - ours everything, a lot can be forgiven. So I doubt the "stupidity" of the capital owners.

[Turkir]

Three - four large banks should become state-owned, including: the Central Bank and Sberbank. The progressive tax on "oligarchs" should be increased from 15% to 50%. By the way, in France it is 70%, which is why Depardieu also fled.
The fifth column is fed not from thin air, but from these specific individuals.
There would be political will.

[Jager]

Sorry, everyone is pouring faeces on Mr. (God forgive me) Serdyukov, but they forget who appointed him to this post with the appropriate powers and program. Remind? Boris Yeltsin ruled for only 8 years. Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, he has been ruling for 22 years already. (It is ridiculous to consider the tame Medvedev as president at that time).
"The damned oligarchs, Yeltsin and Serdyukov ruined everything!"- shouts the inhabitant. And he forgets about the GDP, which is all in white on a horse.
And A LOT of questions arise for him, the main of which is why this CBO became possible at all. What have you been doing for 8 years, that the mobilized Vanya is again correcting your political impotence?

[Nickelium]

I have a question: in what state did Gorb and Borka hand over the country to Putin? It is always easier to destroy than to build. I'm not saying that Putin is the ideal ruler of Russia. He has enough mistakes, sometimes rude. But putting him on the board with Gorb and Borka is complete nonsense. There was no one worse than these rulers. Nikolashka and Shuisky are on the same level as them.

[Dingo]

Nikolai, even this one, like him, "Taburetkin" felt it. However, they and others like them sense everything that happens at the gene level...
Sheremetyevo, our days.

[vlad106]

An overabundance of officers”: how the higher military education of Russia was destroyed

I have long matured confidence that politics is by no means reckless. Vice versa! Purposeful.
The fact is that a whole complex of state and social systems was inherited from the USSR. - Education, medicine, science .. etc. I will not list.
Among them is the army, as a wise .. complex and viable system. And politics (from the very top), set itself the goal of destroying to zero, any Soviet systems of the country's life

EVERYTHING was destroyed! Practically!
It is necessary to call the full name. and bring these things to var th

[nickname7]

Some take offense at the name of the gas station, but the elite themselves decided to turn the former superpower into a gas station,

[vlad106]

Enemies upstairs everywhere!
Why aren't they revealed?

[rotmistr60]

By the end of the nineties, at least twenty-five military schools had been reduced or redesigned.

Kromsali on the living without regard to the history of schools, the merits of teachers and graduates. They were in a hurry, obviously fearing that such an initiative could be interrupted by understanding people and those who still had connections at the top. Fortunately, the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms School named after V.I. Marshal of the Soviet Union Rokossovsky K.K. (DVOKU). But the reformers-optimizers also had ideas on it.

[Vladimir_2U]

As intelligent people write, and I agree with them: "It was worth starting the SVO at least in order to reveal all the insanity and theft of the current Ministry of Defense."

[AAK]

So, there’s no need to open our insanity, it was visible from all sides before, and now, in wartime, it just shines like a spotlight in the night ... the question is that no one is going to stop these insanity and theft, they rather, they are even proud of it as fundamental principles ... And one small remark on the text of the article - an infantry lieutenant was released in 4 years even under the USSR, but as for the professionalism of the teaching staff of schools and academies, in about half of the cases it was determined solely by the value stars on shoulder straps and connections in the districts or the apparatus of the Moscow Region, colleagues who have undergone all types of training will confirm ...

[Whore18]

But now the professors of Moscow State University and the Higher School of Economics are full of their scientific titles and are releasing complete liberalism. Maybe there were no great professors in our gorge, but we were brought up as patriots.

[gerome]

And to Chubais from Russia dumped.

The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.

[cold wind]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As intelligent people write, and I agree with them: "It was worth starting the SVO at least in order to reveal all the insanity and theft of the current Ministry of Defense."

This was obvious before the war, in order to understand this, one does not need the deaths of 300-400 Slavs.
Before the war, it was clear that our Armed Forces were not capable of waging a modern war. The gap is already 2 generations behind the leading armies of the world.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from cold wind

This was obvious before the war, in order to understand this, one does not need the deaths of 300-400 Slavs.

Nonsense and lies, because this is an unobvious and undesirable goal of the NWO, it would have been started without our demand, only not at all on our terms.

Quote from cold wind

Before the war, it was clear that our Armed Forces were not capable of waging a modern war. The gap is already 2 generations behind the leading armies of the world.

And this is nonsense and lies, because even in the conditions of low adequacy of part of our command and leadership, a significant numerical superiority of the ukrovermacht and its intelligence support, NATO-NVO is at least on an equal footing.

[skeptick2]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Nonsense and lies, because this is an unobvious and undesirable goal of the NWO, it would have been started without our demand, only not at all on our terms.

Now, if we had not started it, then we could talk about it. While everything happened exactly the opposite, it was we who started, and such versions are fortune-telling on coffee grounds.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

significant numerical superiority of the ukrovermacht and its intelligence support NATO - NWO is at least on an equal footing.

It's not 1941 now. And juggling with l / s numbers is not worth it. Now another war. The enemy is not overwhelmed with the corpses of their soldiers, if someone does not understand (just as many on this resource do not understand this simple truth). Today they fight not by numbers, but by skill and modern weapons. That's what's prioritised.
And if you look at the equipment of the armies, the picture is not only sad, it is depressing. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation began the NWO under overwhelming and absolute Russia's superiority in artillery, tanks, armored vehicles, MLRS, OTRK. The entire arsenal of military means was involved - aviation (long-range, attack, fighter), the forces of the entire Black Sea Fleet and the fleet of the Caspian region, including surface and submarine ships. Hypersonic weapons were used, all these Daggers, etc. Not to mention Caliber and Iskander. Only the Strategic Missile Forces and nuclear weapons were not involved.
And what is the output? After seven months, in fact? In fact, retreat on all fronts. This is how to understand - the APU is crushed by superiority in l / s? Once again - now is not the 41st year, you can’t throw the bodies of the enemy.
Does the West give weapons? Gives. But in tiny percentages. And what, this insignificant percentage has already turned the tide of the war? But how did we want to fight with all NATO? Not with interest, but with all its power? How and with what were they going to build a bipolar world? When did they advise NATO to collect their belongings and get out to the old borders? Even if we cannot cope with Ukraine with all our might? But NATO has not really even started yet, so it has every right to say so.
L / s, you understand, there is not enough ... Wangyu: neither the first wave of mobilization, nor the second will give anything. And a million mobilized will give nothing. It's not about the number of people. And in the minds, in modern weapons, in advanced military technologies, in the ability to wage a modern war. The main factor is motivation. It's our zero. During the Napoleonic invasion, everything was simple - the enemy attacked our land, we need to defend it. During the Nazi invasion, everything was simple - the enemy attacked our land.
What about today? How to explain a mobiku, cut off from the office, from the machine, from the harvester, why should he die in a foreign country? Tell him about denazification?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from: skeptick2

The enemy is not overwhelmed with the corpses of their soldiers, if someone does not understand (just as many on this resource do not understand this simple truth).

You can stop reading your comment further ... Ukrovermacht does exactly that.

[skeptick2]

Yes, everything is possible. One can even trust Konashenkov's figures. You can believe in mermaids, in brownies.
But just what does it do then? That the Russian Defense Ministry is following the disastrous path of the ukrovermacht? Announcing mobilization? Moreover, while classifying paragraph 7 (although only the lazy one does not guess about this open secret)?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from: skeptick2

Yes, everything is possible. One can even trust Konashenkov's figures. You can believe in mermaids, in brownies.

In terms of technology, the numbers beat perfectly, you just need to know that any car / aircraft was taken into account, regardless of its condition.

Quote from: skeptick2

That the Russian Defense Ministry is following the disastrous path of the ukrovermacht? Announcing mobilization?

Why would partial mobilization be a detrimental maneuver, don’t confuse filling up with meat with mobilization, don’t try to forget the multiple superiority in personnel and the zilch at the exit.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Yes, from modern weapons, judging by the press, we have a lot of exhibition weapons, which are actually few in the army. However, the position of the Ukrainian army at the beginning of the SVO was no better. But we obviously did not have enough infantry. There was also a lack of intelligence in the leadership of the NWO. What they hoped for is not clear. The political leadership has clearly lost. As a result, we got a long war with unclear prospects.

[Grancer81]

The enemy attacked our land for a long time ... And he has been waging war against Russia for a long time ... At least since 1997, when NATO accepted the first countries of the former Warsaw Pact into its ranks, with a promise not to do this.

[T.A.V.]

About motivation right to the point. I'm still trying to find an answer to the question: "What should a soldier fight for now?"
I don't find. The powers that be are silent and show tactical nuclear patience, and the soldiers themselves must seek motivation. There is no connection with the top and the people. And that's the problem. Explain in normal language what will eventually happen next, talk to people. But no....

[Doccor18]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

to reveal all the insanity and theft of the current

"Open" is only a small part of the story. To change the device, to get it working, to correct errors, to draw conclusions for the future - this is the most important and most difficult thing ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Doccor18

"Open" is only a small part of the story. To change the device, to get it working, to correct errors, to draw conclusions for the future - this is the most important and most difficult thing ...

The operation begins with ̶v̶s̶k̶r̶y̶t̶i̶ya̶ providing access. Hope this doesn't freeze.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Hope this doesn't freeze.

I hope so too. Hope - she is the most enduring creature, the last to die ...

[Shket53]

Good day ... in Ussuriysk, too, in June 2007, UVVACU was reduced .... yes, Serdyukovshchina famously drove through our higher educational institutions ... now in place of UVVACU .... 70th department. motorized rifle Dukhovshchinsko-Khingan op. October Revolution and op. The Suvorov brigade ... a very, very worthy unit ... now they are fighting for .... uh, in general, there. God bless you guys.

[rotmistr60]

.70th division motorized rifle Dukhovshchinsko-Khingan op. October Revolution and op. Suvorov brigade...

Judging by the name, this is the former 123rd Guards Motorized Rifle Division, which was previously located in the Khasan district of Primorsky kr. (shelves in the village of Kraskino, the village of Zaisanovka, the village of Barabash, the village of Zanadvorovka). He began his service as a lieutenant.

[Shket53]

Well, yes ... she is the most ... headquarters in Barabash

[avia12005]

For example, only in Ukraine there are unique military academies of military air defense, military schools in Poltava and Kyiv.

In Ukraine, there were most of all in the Union of Aviation Schools. Only in Kharkov - flight, engineering and communications.

[Jackson]

Not only schools, but also military hospitals, many were cut to hell .. In Tomsk, a large territory was occupied by a military hospital ... It was disbanded, valuable personnel were put up as unnecessary, the territory was plundered and abandoned ...

[ammunition]

Quote: Jackson

military hospitals cut many fucking

Very bad. Particularly sorry for the soldiers with severe craniocerebral wounds and severe concussions. They generally need to be carefully nursed in order to return to a normal (relatively) life. Those who have lost limbs are a hundred times easier.

[Qas]

Wasn't it during these years that our Vladimir Vladimirovich worked "like a slave in the galleys"?

[lelik613]

You do not understand, this is different ... this is a cunning plan (tm).

[gerome]

))))) HPP! ))))

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[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Far-sighted traitors are accurately hitting us from the 200s today, but they are not doing anything for it! Some of them continue to steer our aircraft and military-industrial complex ..... Hooray, comrades!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

Far-sighted traitors are aptly hitting us today from the 2000s. Some of them continue to steer our aircraft and military-industrial complex

The beginning of the NWO revealed a whole layer of long-term mines (problems and jambs) laid by these "reformers" under the foundation of our state and now it takes at least 10-15 years (x2) to bring into working condition everything that their "reformist hand" touched , ranging from new industrialization to the definition of state ideology and the education of young people in the spirit of patriotism and love for the motherland.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Golden words, dear! To see the correct State Idea, to live in a time when patriotism will be respected, and young people, like in China, will rush from the USA to their homeland. To make it stronger !!!!

[Dane]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As intelligent people write, and I agree with them: "It was worth starting the SVO at least in order to reveal all the insanity and theft of the current Ministry of Defense."

Well, let's say they opened it .... and then what ..... that they will steal less - no! Order will be restored in the army - also not! Because now politicians and businessmen decide everything, including how to conduct hostilities

[spartak2014]

Serdyukov did a good job, destroyed many military schools.

[Jonny_Su]

In the article, the substitution of concepts. The closure of numerous specialized schools is not the same as the closure of research centers. The first is correct, the second is wrong.

[Vovka-r28]

He served in the army in 2010. Training was "created" from the former UVVAKU. - Ussuri Higher Military Automobile Command School. It was a pity that such an educational institution was fucked up

[Egoza]

the mentioned Leningrad Higher Military-Political School of Air Defense was to retire due to the destruction of the very institution of the CPSU

Well, yes. And now we complain about the fact that there are no propagandists, we do not know how to work with young people, we slept through our work with Ukraine.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Egoza

Well, yes. And now we complain about the fact that there are no propagandists, we do not know how to work with young people, we slept through our work with Ukraine.

You might think that higher military-political schools would solve the problem. Their graduates, just like under the USSR, would broadcast the general line of the party - we are going to liberate the fraternal Ukrainian people, groaning under the heel of a handful of Nazis and dreaming of reuniting with Russia.
And this is if you do not remember that in the same 90s, it was precisely the political officers who were in the forefront of the process of pulling the army apart into national apartments. Former communist internationalists instantly changed their shoes in a jump.

[ada]

... You will laugh, but in 2011 in Saratov the Military Institute for Advanced Training of Specialists of Mobilization Bodies was abolished as unnecessary. ...

It's never funny anymore. True, there are courses, but there was no point in ruining such a UMTB and personnel. Only because of the real estate in the city center and the impact on the combat readiness of the Armed Forces.

Yes, I will add that a significant reduction in officer cadres, in combination with a reduction in the military deployment base of the Armed Forces, also caused significant damage to the very system of military deployment, which is obvious to everyone today.

[fiberboard]

Nothing has been written about the Naval Schools. And yes, our governors have done things. And most importantly, no one is to blame. In Krasnoyarsk, the air defense school was also closed, and in Irkutsk, aviation engineering. Omsk combined arms, too, like. If only the training centers did something. Serdyukov should be imprisoned together with his generals and while they are sitting once a month they should be taken to Red Square to be flogged with rods. Tickets for this show to sell, that would not sit for free.

[lelik613]

Put on a chain? Original, fresh, and most importantly visual.

[Million]

Serdyukov closed the Artillery Institute in our city...

[nerovnayadoroga]

Novocherkassk Higher Military Red Banner Command School of Communications - died ...

[Nikolay Malyugin]

It would be stupid to disagree with the author. In addition to all of the above, optimization also went through the military districts. It is one thing to carry out mobilization in your district, where a military man is responsible for everything. Another thing is in the regions where elected people are responsible for this.

[ermak124.0]

There is a big company to launder this Serdyukovo-Taburetkin

[Alex_Bora]

Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

Far-sighted traitors are accurately hitting us from the 200s today, but they are not doing anything for it! Some of them continue to steer our aircraft and military-industrial complex ..... Hooray, comrades!

You will not believe!
Some of them continue to RULE OUR COUNTRY!

.... but in general, of course, it's all sad. When there were almost no aviation schools that trained pilots, and in the mid-2010s, ONLY 16 graduated in one year !!! Pilot lieutenants!!! Very, very sad thoughts creep into my head, and now, in the course of the NWO, they only find confirmation of them. Yes, and pilots at the front, we, I'm sure, have a big shortage, alas.

[Grancer81]

And the pilots still need a competent ground engineering and technical staff ... Plus airfield workers and specialists from the RTO.

[AVESSALOM]

This is the essence of the capitalist way of life, that which does not bring PROFIT is useless. Under the USSR, the basis was BENEFITS for the state and people.

[cold wind]

Quote: AVESSALOM

This is the essence of the capitalist way of life, that which does not bring PROFIT is useless. Under the USSR, the basis was BENEFITS for the state and people.

You are confusing. If they want to make the country a raw material appendage for the leading countries of Asia and the West, then they reduce costs for areas that are not needed for this.
Capitalism has nothing to do with it, the question is to the authorities and their plans.

[AVESSALOM]

Did you understand what you wrote? When they want to make a country a raw materials appendage, is it socialism or feudalism? The socio-economic formation has nothing to do with the life of the state?

[cold wind]

Quote: AVESSALOM

Did you understand what you wrote? When they want to make a country a raw material appendage, is it socialism or feudalism?

Of course I understood, we have capitalism with elements of feudalism. The current Yeltsin-Putin government threw us back in development at the end of the 19th century.
All the leading countries of the world have highly developed capitalism, with elective power. A striking example is China, they repeated the US system with Asian specifics. And yes, they have an elected general secretary, only in the USA they choose from 2 different parties, and in China within the same party, but there is even more pluralism of opinions.
Capitalism is the best system at the moment. How effectively the country works in it, is already in power. Either you develop high-tech production, or oil production, or both.

P.S. It was under the USSR that we became a raw material appendage of the developed world. This was done by Brezhnev. All questions are not about the "system", but how it is managed.

[AVESSALOM]

It’s useless to talk with you liberoids. The West is sacred to you. You don’t even understand the history of your country and don’t understand that the collapse began with the Khrushchev-Trotskyist coup in 53.

[dauria]

P.S. It was under the USSR that we became a raw material appendage of the developed world. This was done by Brezhnev.

By 1980, the USSR had reached parity with the United States in nuclear weapons and (together with the Warsaw Pact) was head and shoulders above the then NATO in ground forces. This is also the merit of Brezhnev. This was recognized by the Americans. The collapse started later. The death of Brezhnev and the 80s is a time of mass death (and simply retirement and living out) of veterans of the Patriotic War and home front. This generational change is simply forgotten.

[Essex62]

Very even at what. War for the West is historically profit, they invest in it. It makes no sense for Russia to expand anything, make money by robbery, the territory and resources are huge. Therefore, Russian capitalism got rid of the unprofitable. And yet they have already made it a raw material appendage. Sovereignty rests, in fact, on nuclear weapons. It’s just that a sense of self-preservation did not give, cut into needles and him.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

What's there: during the times of the marked bear and then the wrestler-drunkard - they continued the COUNTRY, what can we say about schools. Well, their last-liberals completed what they started ...

[korwalol]

Not only the Higher Military Institutions were liquidated, but also the sergeant training went under the knife. For example, all educational parts in Chita

[Lex_is]

How good everything was until the evil Serdyukov ruined everything!

But there are a few questions:

Was there a surplus of officers?
Was there a situation when there were slightly more officers than soldiers?
Was there a situation when officers, on whose education a lot of money was spent, left the army en masse in the first three years?
It was wonderful when the officers did not learn to command and did not command anyone, because there were no personnel.
Remind the author of the service tasks that were then set for officers with higher education?
I recall:
The officer is either on duty in the park, or on duty in the unit. Either getting ready for duty, or resting after it. And they pulled the grass in the park and made them responsible for everything: dig three holes - the responsible captain, garbage collection - the responsible officer, move the safe - here you can put the major in charge.

The author does not want to talk about this?
He doesn’t want to tell what a wonderful efficiency the officer had, who had not seen the personnel for years and was engaged in the fact that he went to outfits and guards and was engaged in all the economic affairs that were possible?

[irontom]

You are also right, in the 90s part of the zero everything is true, but, Serdyukov’s optimization, if it were wise, but there was destruction, but they raised prestige, the level of allowance, friend, the navigator of the 76th went into the zero, I’m exaggerating, but I’m an aviation engineer on a citizen received more. After that, it remained only to envy how a classmate ensign on the protection of "Moyak" was able to raise three

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lex_is

Was there a surplus of officers?

Nope, before Serdyukov was not. Everything was just fine: the staffs of government bodies often did not change since Soviet times, which is why the army headquarters commanded a cropped division, and the brigade headquarters commanded a couple of ships. Plus, a huge network of military educational institutions, annually graduating thousands of lieutenants, who mysteriously dissolved before reaching the units.
There were not even enough officers for this superstructure: headquarters, rear and the same military educational institutions were 100% staffed, and battalions and below cost 1 personnel for 9 jackets and wreed sergeants. But everyone was fine with it.
Actually, an overabundance formed when the command and control structure under Makarov began to be brought into line with real subordinates, and not with plans arr. 1981.

Quote: Lex_is

The officer is either on duty in the park, or on duty in the unit. Either getting ready for duty, or resting after it. And they pulled the grass in the park and made them responsible for everything: dig three holes - the responsible captain, garbage collection - the responsible officer, move the safe - here you can put the major in charge.

I remember a marvelous scene: five officers, led by the underground, supervise two privates while digging holes for fence posts.

[yuriy55]

You will laugh but in 2011, in Saratov, the Military Institute for Advanced Training of Specialists of the Mobilization Bodies was abolished as unnecessary. They created it for a reason immediately after the Great Patriotic War, as they perfectly understood the complexity and importance of the operational mobilization of the reserve. The Institute trained officers in ten specialties in five departments. It turned out not to be needed.

We laugh ... Especially, in terms of the announced "partial mobilization".
Alert levels no longer fit...
By the way, from the very beginning of this emergence of a market economy, my comrades (military pensioners) and I sat and wondered how this would be reflected precisely in the period of a potential war or some other event.
I consider it important to move military schools and institutes to the outskirts of cities (it is possible - to satellite cities), so that nothing distracts from study. And closer to the polygons.
In the country, the population density is 9 people per 1 km², and we are sculpting schools in city centers ...

[parusnik]

Two traditional questions follow from this article: Who is to blame? and what to do?

[Adagka]

Quote: spartak2014

Serdyukov did a good job, destroyed many military schools.

The marshal-foreman, except for fraud, biathlons, the construction of mega-expensive hoards, and the distribution of general ranks to all sorts of nipples, also did not distinguish himself in any way.

[yuriy1863]

The deliberate and planned collapse of the military education system, which began after the destruction of the USSR, has another side - a commercial one. A large number of higher education institutions were located in the central regions of large cities. For Moscow and Leningrad, it was typical to be located in fundamental buildings, often of cultural and historical value. As an example, I can cite my school - VVMKU named after M.V. Frunze. In the 2018s, one of the residential buildings of the school was sold and rebuilt into elite housing. This is despite the fact that architecturally all the buildings represent a single complex of buildings. Under the slogan of the withdrawal of all St. Petersburg VVMUs to Kronstadt, the school forgot what elementary cosmetic repairs are. Unique molding, fungus on the walls, broken parquet are destroyed. And I won’t talk about a strange series of fires. And according to rumors, the major son of one great lady from power is "businesslike" with military St. Petersburg real estate. Actually, this is a broad topic. In XNUMX, with an appeal from graduates of various years, I was at a reception at the Administration. The result is clear...

[Harbinger68]

LenVAKU was dispersed back in 1992, the buildings were reconstructed and now there is the Suvorov School, in fact the center of St. Petersburg

[yuriy1863]

Money was also found for the overhaul of the Nakhimov School in St. Petersburg. Major sons need to study in a comfortable environment and at public expense. Plus supervision and obligatory sampo. And it is not a fact that after graduating from a military "kindergarten" someone will continue their studies at a higher educational institution in order to make a military career. But the oldest naval educational institution in Russia, which brought up a whole galaxy of Russian and Soviet admirals, does not even have the status of a legal entity.

[Mikhail3]

Colossal oversupply, enormous. "Every soldier dreams of becoming a general," right? And imagine that all the officers graduated from these universities will become at least colonels. A wonderful picture, huh?) The colonel washes the toilets, and the colonel also drags garbage to the trash ...
The USSR produced officers at a monstrous pace set by the War. Based on the fact that some traitors were engaged in military education in her time. Otherwise, nothing can explain that a fresh lieutenant who came to the front line usually died in his first, second, third battle. Stayed alive well if one out of ten! That is, he studied on the battlefield what they did not want to teach him at the school.
Experiencing a huge shortage of junior officers, the USSR during the War stamped them as undermined, but at the same time tried not to teach them what they needed. . And the trend continued in peacetime! Junior officers were still wildly lacking. Having joined the army, the lieutenant quickly became convinced that he had absolutely no prospects here without patronage, he would pull the strap until retirement without any future, and that’s all. But no one wants to fire him, he is urgently needed, and at this very place! Without a decent salary, without a home, without a future...
As a rule, a circus began with drinking and flying in a day to be fired for fear of really big miracles. The army was cool, right?) You need to let your brains into the army. For the first time since time immemorial, use the mind. Rebuild command verticals so that there is enough space. But returning the Soviet "conveyor of lieutenants" is madness!

[cold wind]

Quote: Mikhail3

A wonderful picture, huh?) The colonel washes the toilets, and the colonel also drags garbage to the trash ...

Exaggerated of course, but now something like this is happening. We have only 1307 generals / admirals in the Armed Forces, 896 in the USA. At the same time, the fleet is simply not comparable, in terms of the total number of combat aircraft, the US Armed Forces are 2,5 times superior to the Russian Armed Forces, there is no one to fight in our army. Out of 2 million armed forces, they squeezed out a maximum of 150 - 200 people (the rest are not from the structures of the Armed Forces) capable of fighting, less than 000%, what are the remaining 10% doing? Only from the generals and their servants can you make an infantry division (I'm not exaggerating).

It is necessary to reform our armed forces systematically, according to the mind, analyzing our and Western experience. From bottom to top. Rethinking the meaning of each element. After that, education is being reformed to provide the necessary personnel for the army.

[storm]

It is necessary to reform our armed forces systematically, according to the mind, analyzing our and Western experience.

Even Serdyukov ran away, could not stand it ....
There is no one to modernize the army now :))

[Mikhail3]

Serdyukov, for God's sake, was asked to clamp down on the monstrous officer-general theft, which carried everything out of the army at the pace of a jet stream. And also stop the use of soldiers as slaves at construction sites, and not only, and restore at least elementary order in the army economy. He, they say, did not want to harness this strap. But I had to (apparently in the USSR he still gave the oath to the Motherland), he came, pressed, stopped and brought it on. Yes, his subordinates stole. About a million times less than it was before him)
For all this, Serdyukov is passionately hated by everyone whom he pinched on a grand scale ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote from cold wind

Exaggerated of course, but now something like this is happening. We have only 1307 generals / admirals in the Armed Forces, 896 in the USA. At the same time, the fleet is simply not comparable, in terms of the total number of combat aircraft, the US Armed Forces are 2,5 times superior to the Russian Armed Forces, there is no one to fight in our army.

It's just that the Yankees have a different structure. Much of what our lieutenant-captains do is entrusted over the hill to the sergeant corps and warrant officers - "subofficers". Accordingly, there is no need to place senior officers over all this fraternity, and generals and admirals over them.
In principle, the decision is logical. My duties as a targeting officer could well be performed by a trained contract sergeant or ensign. SAM, in principle, do not care - what kind of shoulder straps does the one who controls it have.

[yuriy1863]

I must have been lucky. We had a normal power supply spinning, until the year 89 they didn’t climb out of the seas. Yes, there were "vertebral" tendencies in career matters, but those who knew and loved their military business, and not drinking and partying, grew up normally in the service.

[Sergey Valov]

Yes, you are lucky. And in our Air Defense Ministry, 12 years earlier, they practically did not engage in combat training.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Lex_is

He doesn’t want to tell what a wonderful efficiency the officer had, who had not seen the personnel for years and was engaged in the fact that he went to outfits and guards and was engaged in all the economic affairs that were possible?

In .. In .... Your logic is clear.

If, for example, in the USSR, products from warehouses did not go to stores, it is necessary to gouge the whole country and throw it away. How about just putting things in order? No, thanks.

And then almost biblical miracles happen: Gaidar in a week at the beginning of 1992 "saves the country from starvation" and the market "is saturated." Where it came from, only God knows. But that doesn't bother anyone.

So here. If the army began to be plundered and destroyed, why stop halfway? It is necessary in Russian, to the end, famously! How about putting things in order? Nope.... Our heads are not built that way.

After all, what is the main thing? Until the end is not stolen, we can not calm down!

And what about the officers? Yes, figs with them, women give birth ... We must first disperse the officers to hell, and then look for them.

And in general, first in 1991 it is necessary to separate Ukraine from Russia, "so as not to feed it," and then fight with it. And they also say that in a madhouse they first wash themselves with cabbage soup, and then they ask to eat ... ..

[Lex_is]

Can we have less demagogy and empty words?
I asked specific questions.
Can you really answer?

[olgherd]

Quote: AVESSALOM

This is the essence of the capitalist way of life, that which does not bring PROFIT is useless. Under the USSR, the basis was BENEFITS for the state and people.

Enough with these mantras already. Fundamental science does not make a profit, but it does exist under capitalism. Capitalism is also different.

[AVESSALOM]

And why does fundamental science exist under capitalism?

[cold wind]

Quote: AVESSALOM

And why does fundamental science exist under capitalism?

With the money of the state, corporations, private donations.
Fundamental science gives unprecedented superprofits. If you look at the top 20 rich people, 13 made money in high-tech areas that cannot exist without basic science. They spend hundreds of billions of dollars on science and earn many times more from it.
For example, all the leading companies in the world from the 2nd or 3rd year of our universities are looking for talented students in order to transfer them to Western universities by giving them scholarships and then employ them in their "research institutes". Who is worse to employ in local offices.

[AVESSALOM]

You can learn more about the share of the state and private capital. And about the further distribution of profits.

[cold wind]

Quote: AVESSALOM

YOU ARE SO ACTIVELY FUCKING TO THE WEST, IT'S REALLY DIFFERENT.

Well, you are now reading this message on a device invented in the USA, produced using technology created in the USA and transferred to China and South Korea, using the Internet created in the USA, on a website written in a programming language invented in the USA. Not disgusting?
Only 1 Harvard Foundation exceeds the budget of the Russian Federation for education by 2~3 times (or ~30% if we consider expenses). From what the fund is formed you will find information in 5 minutes.

[Drugov]

And note that the lion's share of these "beautiful" changes occurred during the years of the reign of the Great Strategist. Apparently this is also HPP

[gerome]

And look what is happening now! The fact that mobilization was necessary was obvious 3-4 months ago. But the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and all these generals were silent, they had everything according to plan, as a result, the matter was brought to the collapse of front sections! How many extra casualties among the soldiers, how many pro-Russian people again fell under the occupation of political ukrov! And there are no guilty ones!

[TermNachTer]

Mattress makers generally have three military universities and three academies (colleges) and can do nothing. Maybe it's not the quantity, but the quality?

[cold wind]

Quote: TermNachTER

Mattress makers generally have three military universities and three academies (colleges) and can do nothing. Maybe it's not the quantity, but the quality?

Absolutely right. After the defeat in Vietnam, they completely rebuilt their armed forces. They left what worked and changed what didn't. The results are clear.

[yuriy1863]

Yeshe at the school wrote an essay on the principles of staffing the US Armed Forces with officers. According to the results of the Vietnam War, the Americans accepted that the officers are "forged" in three training systems. The first is military educational institutions that train the elite. This is approximately 25-30% of the entire officer corps. Another third is trained in civilian universities. The student signs a contract with the Armed Forces, wears a uniform during his studies, and studies according to a special program. And, finally, 30-40% are officer schools for sergeants with sufficient service experience. This is a forge of junior officers, "vanek-platoons", who are not offended by being "eternal" captains. But on the other hand, they are the most experienced commanders of platoons, companies and other units of a similar level.

[Sergey Valov]

"who are not offended to be "eternal" captains" - this is the principle of building Napoleon's army - old captains and young generals.

[Gromovanton]

Thank you for the article. Is there any data on how our military-scientific complex is doing? I am tormented by vague doubts about his health in the sense that neither the army nor science, after all, lives separately from society ... If it is obvious to me that high-precision weapons are needed in modern warfare, then the attention is the question of why it exists and is used in microscopic volumes in terms of artillery ammunition, planning bombs and the same kamikaze drones, smart MLRS missiles against the enemy grouping in the Kharkov direction, where almost 40000 groups report?
If there is a scientifically based nomenclature of weapons and the calculation of a rational amount / proportion to a low-precision one, are scientific recommendations being followed or does it all happen separately, science in itself, ammunition procurement policy in itself, application practice and instructions for use in themselves?

[ycuce234-san]

Rather, based on the results of the changes, it is clear that at that time the task of saving and numerical reduction was being solved, but the task of following the realities of technical progress was forgotten.
New universities and research institutes in the field of computer networks and computing, optics and electronics, robots, precision mechanics, chemistry and materials science, lasers and sensors, medicine, overalls and equipment, anti-tank protection were not created to replace and on the basis of the disbanded new universities and research institutes. If they had been made then, the developments of the past decades in the field of communications and optics, medicine, clothing and footwear, etc. would have already been introduced. Then the excess number of personnel in some specialties would have been utilized with the receipt of other valuable specialists, new weapons for export to the world market.
Later, they began to imitate the well-known Rand corporation and science in American universities by creating Skolkovo, although the same could be achieved with greater results and lower costs with careful reforms.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Lex_is

Can we have less demagogy and empty words?
I asked specific questions.
Can you really answer?

In essence, I showed you with specific examples where your logic leads.

In essence: if the people have been putting forward leaders for decades who drive society not just into a dead end, but put it on the edge of the abyss, then this people, and above all people like you, have very specifically received what they deserved. And there is nothing to blame the mirror .. The author's article is such a mirror

[U-58]

I support. Hello thought.
That's just no one is trying to sober up.
They go like zombies to vote for the Only Russia and its main entertainer, or they don’t go at all, to the delight of the election commissions.

[Lex_is]

I asked without demagogy and general phrases, but for you this, apparently, is an impossible task.

What are you writing this set of words about now?
We, if you do not understand, are discussing higher military educational institutions and the required number of officer corps.
What are you talking about?
What are you raving about?

[vvn_vl]

and why academies, if there are construction institutes? but where to cook aunts for the Ministry of Defense ??

[yuriy1863]

And judging by the number of "great" construction projects that are being carried out by the Armed Forces, a certified builder is needed for the position of the first person in the Moscow Region

[lubesky]

I will apply an example from my own life to the liquidation of military universities. Having retired from the ranks of the army to the reserve a few years later, I discovered that my engineering and sapper training center in the city of Volzhsky had been liquidated. Whomever the big training did not prepare, engineers, sappers, divers, ensigns. Didn't need it? A huge country did not need engineers? Syria showed a shortage of qualified sappers. And now, don’t we need barriers, crossings and fortification with mining? That's okay, I soon discovered the liquidation of my 214th Proskurovskaya Red Banner Engineering and Sapper Separate Brigade, deployed in Kamensk-Shakhtinskoye (the border is not far, as you understand). My brigade in full strength provided engineer-sapper work in the first and second Chechen campaigns. Who did all this??? Did Serdyukov personally make such decisions???
Recently, an engineering unit was restored on the basis of the brigade, although the new formation occupies barely 30% of the potential of the former military unit

[Lex_is]

It’s really interesting how Serdyukov was able to reduce the number of universities of the islands, from 166 to 68 in 2007, if he only became the Minister of Defense in 2007?
Who reduced them in such numbers from 91 to 2007? For some reason, there is silence about this ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lex_is

Who reduced them in such numbers from 91 to 2007? For some reason, there is silence about this ...

If the facts do not fit into theory, so much the worse for the facts.. ©

Well, it’s inconvenient to write that before Serdyukov, higher educational institutions were reduced by graduates of the same higher educational institutions who held senior positions in the Moscow Region.
It is just as inconvenient to write that the current campaign was planned by graduates of the great and powerful pre-Serdyukov system of military education.

[U-58]

In the Permian VATU, now the institute of the Federal Penitentiary Service - what a hell, but good.
And the glorious PVKIU Strategic Missile Forces, hell. Right now they want some eminent GOTHEL to figure out

[Ulum]

Quote: TermNachTER

Mattress makers generally have three military universities and three academies (colleges) and can do nothing. Maybe it's not the quantity, but the quality?

They have a different training system. Three academies: West Point, Colorado Springs, and Annapolis train the elite, respectively, for the Army, Air Force, and Navy. It requires a recommendation from at least 2 congressmen or a senator for admission, so black guys from the outskirts of Detroit do not study there. The bulk of officers are trained according to a multi-stage system from private to lieutenant with a high dropout rate at each stage. They will never even become colonels. At the same time, no one forces them to study strength of science, quantum physics and higher mathematics, only specialized subjects, a lot of practice, a large number of simulators, hence the high level of professional training.

[Sergej1972]

And where do they then get black generals who occupy important posts?) Or how did the noble Russophobe Ben Hodges, an American of Albanian origin, rise to high positions?

[Alex D_2]

Stalin would have shot Ziono-fascists for this. How long will we Russians tolerate this?

[Aviator_]

The article is topical. It has not been said yet about the aviation academies - them. Zhukovsky and them. Gagarin. They were united and thrust into Voronezh. Now this academy is called the academy of "Zhugarin" or "Gakovsky". Unique wind tunnels and equipment were destroyed - and not the Academy. Zhukovsky to be located in such a good place in Moscow, where the land is expensive. A small part of the equipment was saved, but it's minuscule. And in place of the Orenburg anti-aircraft guns, there is now a "presidential cadet school." They are probably preparing presidents there now.

[storm]

By 2007, the number of educational institutions was reduced to 68, and by 2012 - to 45.

Ask the Supreme Commander-in-Chief about the reasons for these reductions; all "circumcisions" of the army and officers after 2000 were carried out under his "wise" leadership.
Serdyukov also carried out his "reforms" under the direct supervision of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the then President
and the current deputy of the Security Council Medvedev D.A.

Why look for the guilty if they are still at the helm of power in Russia and its law enforcement agencies ....
They have never publicly said that they made mistakes in military development, respectively, everything that was happening and is happening now is being carried out according to their plans.

[zenion]

Russia wanted to show America that we are not like that, and you can do with us what you want, when you want, where you want.

[irontom]

There is no training for aviation technicians and engineers, they take everyone with any kind of education. If the GA managed to maintain a training system, the Air Force did not. There are no schools like IVATU left.

[Chief Officer Lom]

In the early 2000s, I saw the result of the fight against the "surplus officer cadre" - the massive conscription of jackets due to the lack of platoon commanders, with the appropriate level of military training, motivation and rotation every 2 years. One jacket replaced the previous one. And this is in parts of constant readiness ...

[Lex_is]

And I saw it when I graduated in 2002.
and a wild shortage of commanders in platoons and companies and jackets, which could not be put on guard or allowed to enter the personnel. (at the same time, at colonel positions and above, the set was fully staffed)
Only now, before the arrival of the evil Serdyukov, who ruined everything, there were still 5 whole years.
He became a minister in 2007.
Question:

If by 2007 the number of educational institutions decreased from 166 to 68,
who cut them down? Serdyukov was not there before 2007. But those who now blame everything on Serdyukov just led both the Moscow Region and this reduction

[grad2308]

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

In the early 2000s, I saw the result of the fight against the "surplus officer cadre" - the massive conscription of jackets due to the lack of platoon commanders, with the appropriate level of military training, motivation and rotation every 2 years. One jacket replaced the previous one. And this is in parts of constant readiness ...

You speak ironically "jackets" .... "in the case of a motivated order ..., under contracts at the military departments of universities", but most of the career lieutenants (due to imperfect contracts) fled en masse from the Armed Forces. Moreover, the statistics are familiar from 1998-2000. Plus, at his former job, the officer quit 3 months later in 2008 after graduating from college and the events in G. The notorious "jackets" as forced labor pulled out the entire burden of responsibility of platoon-company commanders from 1991 to 2010. And in the war in Ch. they made up 100% of the com. platoons, 30-45% com. company (and they came to replace the war in the deep majority). In terms of the level of training, there is no need to generalize ...., most gained the necessary experience in 3 months. The very units of constant readiness Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya, ironically called courtiers (level 2 of day and night firing for one week with guards and 3rd day and night firing in another (early rise of personnel at 5 am and return to the barracks for rest 2 -3 o'clock in the new day, at 9 am after breakfast, heads on their hands at the tables of the Lenin room - they are sleeping, the authorities tried not to go to those barracks where there were shootings, 1998)). I have the honor.

[Chief Officer Lom]

I have the right to speak ironically about jackets, because I myself am one. And do not tell me about the necessary experience. Here, almost everyone agrees that a soldier of a modern army during his conscription service only becomes fully prepared by the end of it, but here a civilian specialist who was taught at the department once a week will become a full-fledged replacement for a regular officer? Not to mention the fact that after 2 years he left and a new graduate of the university came in his place. And it's not just about technical knowledge - in this respect, if the head is on your shoulders, everything will be in order. They don’t teach you to command people in the department, and no one will teach you this either. (we did not teach). It turned out, well, no, ayayay, it’s a jacket, what else can you expect from him ... And I saw those who didn’t succeed at all ...

[grad2308]

I had two years left, at the construction site, a line foreman, 80 male masons, carpenters, slingers and 60 female finishers. Let's put it this way - it's much worse than 80-100 conscripts.))) And in the service .... higher-ranking personnel in the majority ... went to us. It so happened that I had to command a company alone without other officers, and when two personnel officers came and “disappeared”, and they asked me for combat training (they didn’t go, they left the service in 1999), sent a battalion commander (lick it, lick it further, but that's a different story). So, I know for sure who went to war, the statistics are from there. And the notorious hazing happens, in the absence and supervision of the subordinates of the commander, or when the officer gives to the old-timers. The officers at our department (Afghan, Angola) understood perfectly well that experience with the staff was not enough. But their words: If you lead in civilian life, there will be no problems with personnel. Three or four times for live firing and you will get involved. My company commander (personnel) and political officer (jacket) quit 3 months after my arrival. They tried to give me a jacket from my university (my graduation) ran away from a motorized rifle company two weeks later to the tankers ... I agree, it depends on the person ...

[Chief Officer Lom]

You are lucky that in civilian life you gained experience in managing people. And imagine in your place yesterday's student, all of whose knowledge, both civil and military, is of a technical nature. And he is instructed to command people who do not really want to obey, and at the same time they know that in the liberal army, according to the law, in order to do something to him, you need to almost start a criminal case? And what about the fact that they went to us - was it like that, but not all the personnel treated this way? You might think that there are no such personalities in civilian life? And in the regiment, I remember excellent officers and decent people, and at the enterprise there are those who ride on the hump of those who are more responsible or simply the last in the production chain.
Yes, about replacing a regular officer - I mean that the jacket gained the necessary experience during the service itself, and having gained it, left, and so on in a circle. I do not think that this contributed to the high level of readiness of our army.

[grad2308]

First of all, you need to be a Human and people will reach out to you. You need to hear and know about all the problems in the barracks in relationships, in the family of a subordinate and, if necessary, arrange pre-schedule leave (anything happens official or not official) and physical. impact within the framework of working out in the stalls (manual preparation, anything can happen ..., officially all papers ... for class), as an extreme .... Strength is in truth.

[grad2308]

Another example .... I come at night to check the personnel in the battalion. Events are not in my company, three elders squeezed the young one, cleaning the toilets with a toothbrush ...., they grabbed it to the fullest. Moreover, I was not afraid that these scum would go to complain to the prosecutor's office, there are other soldiers - in the end they will not be silent.

[grad2308]

By 2008, the "system" ate many military officers in my unit as uncomfortable experiences and actions (there were also attempts at criminal cases and much more). We tried to collect the minimum qualification and leave, many left without it. Many died, heart attacks. Let's just say that for 3 years an unofficial acted. alarm network. Once a year, officers and soldiers gathered on Memorial Day for communication, then social networks and everything else appeared.

[Alex D_2]

Quote: ammunition

Quote: Roust

Reckless politics

I have long matured confidence that politics is by no means reckless. Vice versa! Purposeful.
The fact is that a whole complex of state and social systems was inherited from the USSR. - Education, medicine, science .. etc. I will not list.
Among them and army how wise.. complex and viable system. And politics (from the very top), set itself to - destroy to zero , any Soviet system of the life of the country (be it the forestry system .. or the pension system .. etc.). So that nothing reminds of the USSR. And the better any Soviet system worked, the sooner it needed to be destroyed. Replacing any .. arbitrarily ugly neoplasm.
And the "Serdyukov reform" was carried out with the aim of destroying the Soviet army. The fact is that the people instinctively resisted all these "reforms" over the past 32 years.
So .. politics is not crazy at all! Vice versa! Thoughtful and purposeful. How much money was spent on one propaganda! .. To convince the people that "it will be better" .. And even a leapfrog of new names .. is not accidental.
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Briefly speaking. Now it is as it is. And even criminally ordered .. to shout Hurrah! and admire this .. neoplasm, which is called the 2nd army of the world. And everything rests .. on the enthusiasm and patience and dedication of soldiers and officers (not all)

The traitors placed the Anglo-Saxons in the leadership, otherwise it is difficult to explain why this is happening. As far as I know, in the early 90s, Sobchak brought a group with him from America. They probably still suck!

[Popenko]

After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of things were "optimized", and not only among the military. We will deal with the consequences for more than one decade, but we need to name these optimizers and bring them to justice (if they are still alive), right now.

[seacap]

My alma mater (which was mentioned in the article) was also destroyed, although air defense specialists were trained in very limited numbers, at all times in the troops, with the exception of groups of troops, and even then not without problems, I don’t remember that the zrbatry were 100% staffed, they "got out" at the expense of two-year-olds and over-conscripts, "hanging" on the officers an additional burden and duties "for that guy." And this is not a universal specialty, it is very narrowly specialized, requiring a broad outlook and a high level of practical knowledge of all kinds and types of medical professionals, not to mention the research work of the educational institution itself. These reforms, in my opinion, border on state crime and sabotage, which is the most offensive, and remained unpunished and not convicted.

[Appraiser]

Assessing the situation of "personnel shortage" today, we can conclude that the absence of junior officers lays the foundation for the uncertainty of the future of all the armed forces in the Russian Federation. After all, they not only need to be trained in their specialty for 5 years, but they must also be in demand in the state, since this is a personnel reserve. And if the head of state does not fix this, then "big" changes await all of us, not for the better. The times of "liberalism" are over, the time has come for "military democracy" .....

[olgherd]

Quote: Alex D_2

I have long been convinced that
The traitors placed the Anglo-Saxons in the leadership, otherwise it is difficult to explain why this is happening. As far as I know, in the early 90s, Sobchak brought a group with him from America. They probably still suck!

Of course, the traitors and the Anglo-Saxons are to blame for everything. It is strange that there are no Jewish Masons and Reptilians in this list.
If you are not aware, most of the current elite either come from the USSR or their children. These are not some kind of Martians, these are our compatriots, no matter how the opposite may seem. They, just like most Russians, profess legal nihilism and do not suffer from remorse. The difference is in the level - a simple layman puts the car on the lawn, "because it is necessary", and a difficult one distributes cash flows into the right pockets.
"We keep a banko million and plevanto on the law" (c)

[seacap]

Quote: assault

Ask the Supreme Commander-in-Chief about the reasons for these reductions; all "circumcisions" of the army and officers after 2000 were carried out under his "wise" leadership.

One pension "reform" in 2000, a disgrace to the whole world, which it meant. When, having quickly rewritten the law, they divided military pensioners into friends and foes, while not touching the prosecutor's office, etc. Not only did all the 90s humiliate and spit on epaulettes and in the face at the state level, for months they did not pay the already beggarly monetary allowance of the real level of a cleaning lady, they also robbed without hiding, purposefully "burned" officers and generals in interethnic conflicts, they destroyed the obstinate, honest morally and physically, so for loyalty to the oath and to their brotherhood, once again cynically humiliating, they introduced a reduction factor (which is still in effect, although it should be canceled long ago). The "Soviet" military s, once again spitting in the face for faithful service, did not recalculate pensions according to the "new" monetary content. And the reforms of "our suffering for the people with an anguish in her voice", with an increase in the necessary length of service at the level of "civilian" and notorious points, finally deprived a huge part of people who retired relatively early due to length of service and other reasons for various reasons, often already having a "bouquet "diseases and injuries, injuries, etc., the opportunity to earn a minimum "civilian", are forced to drag out a miserable existence for faithful and devoted service to protect the country.

[egsp]

Under Serdyukov, there was no enrollment in military universities for several years (I don’t know about all of them, but for sure at the Smolensk Academy of Air Defense Forces). And not only did he not sit down, he also occupies a leading position in the defense industry.

[AC130 Gunship]

Putin said recently that the Russian Federation has not yet begun seriously. Maybe the General Staff really views tanks and artillery as boys shooting slingshots

[Panzerjäger]

And today our army is sick of blood from the “reforms” of the stool minister. But he is a very pleasant person to the top, so they allowed him to go abroad unhindered.
Alas, the Sudoplatovs are gone today and retribution will not befall anyone over the hill, as it once overtook the leaders of the OUN and Trotsky.

[Eugene Zaboy]

You can criticize the reduction of the Armed Forces as long as you like, but if there is no money for decent maintenance of the military, you have to make a reduction. Military state employees, they do not think about such boring concepts as cost and profit. The military man needs to pay his allowance here and now, and where it will come from is not his concern. Hence the criticism. If it weren’t for Serdyukov, we wouldn’t have an army capable of fighting and Crimea wouldn’t exist either. So, without Serdyukov, we would not have discussed the war in Ukraine at all, or would have immediately capitulated, due to unpreparedness for combat operations, or the military themselves would have staged a coup out of starvation. And where should they go, without housing and money?

[tank64rus]

And there was money for the oligarchic fleet, for Yeltsin’s memorial centers with an area larger than the Winter Palace, for the maintenance of private security companies with a larger number of people. The Ground Forces were also for the maintenance of the bureaucratic apparatus, which was bloated to the point of disgrace. This is not to mention the flourishing embezzlement and bribery. And who called for arming the Army with old NATO weapons? Mister X or something.

[Eugene Zaboy]

In no way do I justify the methods of reducing the Russian Armed Forces and the way officers were thrown onto the street without a means of subsistence. But behind this there is a more serious problem - the lack of funds in the budget, primarily of the USSR. It all started from there in the 80s and even the seemingly cloudless 70s. Even then, a situation had developed in the country’s economy in which defense spending turned out to be unaffordable for the country’s budget, but no one wanted to notice this, much less react. The first, Gorbachev, tried to do something, as he understood, but he was quickly thrown out of the presidency, and those who threw him out ruined the country, not understanding what they were doing. Maybe they understood, but they thought that they were acting in the best interests of the population of the republics, without seeing the future consequences. The collapse of the army is one of the inevitable consequences of the collapse of the USSR. By the way, reductions and reforms of armies were carried out by all states of the world after the Second World War, and only the USSR continued to maintain a huge army without thinking about where to get money for maintenance and the consequences. The military, essentially ordinary people, want to eat deliciously and have a good rest, so the lack of monetary allowance raises questions for them, at a minimum. Hence the search for those to blame among the oligarchs and modern politicians, although the reasons are much deeper and the collapse of the army was predetermined long before Putin came to power and the appointment of Serdyukov. In Crimea and Ukraine We see Serdyukov’s army, not Shoigu’s, because Shoigu simply would not have had time to create the army that Russia has today.

[Panzerjäger]

Well, and about the notorious network-centric wars, in which there is no place for artillery.... well, you won’t find apologists for this theory during the day with fire on the front line under artillery shells from the Wehrmacht. And if you catch them and take them to the front line, then it will be impossible to accompany them without gas masks, as they will begin to dry out.

[Eugene Zaboy]

A controversial issue to say the least. NATO did not have a classic front line in Yugoslavia. You can, of course, nod at Yugoslavia’s outdated air defense as much as you like. However, when over the course of several days more than 600 hundred modern NATO aircraft will fire at least 2000 precision-guided missiles daily, what will be left of artillery and air defense. No one has canceled the capabilities of modern aviation, and we must face the truth so as not to run into problems later, as in Ukraine, Chechnya, and Afghanistan.

[Panzerjäger]

I also remember the ok stool muttering through his lip, saying that he would disperse all military schools and academies, and there would be no officer caste in the army, and platoon commanders could be trained in a civilian university in a couple of years with a degree in “military management.”
And yes, the article did not remember how they destroyed the Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Dzerzhinsky (Peter the Great), drove it out to the site of a road troops school near Moscow. The property is delicious, sir.

[Arkady007]

What is the conclusion? What to do next, now?
Why is Serdyukov still not at the Northern Military District?

[odisey3000]

You remember the military automobile schools. There were 3 of them in the armed forces, Ryazan, Chelyabinsk, Ussuriysk. Now there is not one, it’s strangely true, we ask the question, what does the current Russian army ride on, reindeer or something. And Serdyukov did not engage in any military reform he was engaged in the liquidation of non-core assets of the army, such as landfills, shooting ranges, military schools and academies, sanatoriums, airfields and other real estate belonging to the Ministry of Defense, and he coped with this task with five points, which is why he did not go to prison. And you say army reform.

[Eugene Zaboy]

In addition, Serdyukov also rebuilt military camps, provided human living conditions and food for soldiers, created a contact army, provided housing and decent salaries for officers, bought certain modern military technologies of the West, made military service prestigious, thanks to which We have what we have.

[Dmitry Neklyudov]

The essence of the problem is the same - it was not professional patriots who were appointed to the highest and key positions in the country, but dedicated amateur businessmen, and this is the result on all fronts and sectors.

[tank64rus]

That's right. I myself went through the “reforms” of all times. I can say one thing, the deliberate destruction of military science and education. Now the Army is paying for the actions of the “optimizer-reformers” with the lives of soldiers and officers. It’s better not to talk about mob readiness. About the BTV Academy, where I went on the topic of my dissertation back in the late 90s. Yes, they were already talking about a combination of tank-UAVs linked into a reconnaissance and fire complex. Yes, bring back this Academy and call it the Academy of Mechatronics and Robotics of the RF Armed Forces. This is needed now, and in the future it is vitally important for the Armed Forces.

[Krilion]

Quote: tank64rus

I can say one thing, the deliberate destruction of military science and education. Now the Army is paying for the actions of the “optimizer-reformers” with the lives of soldiers and officers.

and now explain a simple thing... these are the people who planned and carried out the military military training - didn’t they study anywhere at all?... I have the feeling that they don’t have any military education at all... if I’m not a military person, then , on the second day of the special operation, having heard that it was being carried out by 120 thousand contingents, I realized that without mobilization measures there was no way to be afraid and they needed to be carried out urgently, then why did the generals of the General Staff only realize this simple thing after half a year???

[Living7111972]

There is now a cadet with initial flight training in the buildings of the Ufa Flight School (1999). In my opinion - the best ending!
http://ufakadet.ucoz.net/

[Ivan Derlysh]

Sadness... While serving under a contract and having a tower, good characteristics and several requests from the ship's commander, a mechanic, I encountered personnel... Half was asked for a lieutenant. There was a desire to serve, to be useful, I really liked the service, I saw it. That I can unlock the potential of my (electrical and mechanical engineer) work experience. But the buy-sell moment brought me back to civilian life. And yes... I know one former double bassist in the Navy, who swore allegiance to Russia, half-bought a higher education, and a personnel officer from the fleet headquarters made shoulder straps for a set of tires... purely in his own way, like a Krymchak...

[Vlad Gor]

Capitalism. Why do oligarchs, hucksters, thieves, bandits need a state army? Each of them has their own army of guards, and they live in a golden billion. Everyone saw the result in the Northern Military District in Ukraine.

[Borislav Udotin]

A similar situation happened with the education system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. After the police reform in the 2010s, ALL secondary police schools, which trained junior and mid-level personnel (experienced sergeants, warrant officers, junior lieutenants at least for the teaching staff, general military education) were abolished. Moreover, people actually came out who knew their job, had a special education, were trained and were ready to move on, and not from the street after the army. Now, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, training is provided only by universities and various centers for advanced training.

Optimization!..

[Sergej1972]

By this period, there were no special police secondary schools left. They were transformed first into higher police schools, and then became legal institutes of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Or they became their faculties. Secondary special police schools did not train sergeants; they graduated officers.

[Zaurbek]

Take, for example, the Krasnodar region.
- rocket school.
- military department of artillery at the Polytechnic University
- department of anti-aircraft gunners at the university..
Left the department of drivers in Selkhoz

[I_Kov]

An indicative point: since the announcement of mobilization, the number of letters Z on cars has decreased by a couple of orders of magnitude.

[Sergej1972]

I didn't notice this. I even see tractors and vehicles of the housing and communal services system, cleaning the streets or removing waste, with this symbol.

[USSR 1971]

This is treason and a betrayal of the interests of the country. It's a shame that no one was held accountable. I can even guess why...

[I_Kov]

And as for the Zhukov Academy, I testify: when the personnel were lined up, the stool keeper turned around and said: How long is this worth... And the order to disband.

[Dab]

Everyone is attacking the GDP, and now look, in education, organizations are lying, inflating the number of students and their victories, to higher authorities, the city is lying to the regions, the region is lying to the federation... The same thing happens in medicine, police, army, intelligence, etc. ...Putin receives figures that are only 1000 times larger. They told him, most likely, that the Ukrainians were waiting for us... That the army would kill them as soon as we entered... Just as they say, what a benefactor he is, how happy the people are. Everything reminds me of the fairy tale "The Naked King"
I understand why he puts his friends in the top, because they can say straight out: “Yes, Volodya, we are in trouble here and I stole a lot...”, And outsiders are trying to curry favor, to cover everything with bright colors.. Regarding the Northern Military District, most likely, he did not plan a war, he was counting on the local oligorchat, Alya, Kherson, Zaporozhye, etc.... but Kharkov and Odessa were held by too serious uncles and they were apparently fed by others... It’s the same with Kiev, they surrounded him on all sides, they thought Green would crawl on his knees, but they miscalculated, he already had Western mentors, yes, and the West had been preparing him for several months, saying that the Russian Federation would soon begin.... Many generals say they sold the positions of our soldiers to the military... I think there are many other shoals behind them... But these top military men are discredited, the people will not follow them in the event of a revolution
And, one thing that is incomprehensible to me, 2 years before this they tested the war between the Armenians and the Azeris, they saw what people were betting on - AIs, drones, etc... which smashed Armenian tanks to pieces... They should have done it conclusions, collect statistics, assemble an army of drones, fly in 2k planes, drop hundreds of millions of tons of explosives on military targets, fill the rest with drones, launch Khibiny and other electronic warfare systems, block the borders with troops, close the sky and then gently smoke out Ukrainians from anywhere.... but they raised only the unity of Ukrainians, even those who spoke different languages ​​and hated each other....

[Eugene Zaboy]

Russian media presented Dobkin as a pro-Russian politician. Where is he today? He's in the trenches today. That's the whole picture that came to GDP. Hence the problems that We observe.

[Altmann]

What happened en masse happened quietly in all countries of the former Warsaw Pact. Was this a deliberate goal of the Jewish-run gun lobby in the US? I don’t know, but they destroyed individual armies of the former Czechoslovakia, the GDR, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, and won the war without firing a shot. You can still save it.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

The fact that when the army is reduced from 5 million people to 1,5, and then even less is understandable. And the difficult financial situation was obvious, it was clear that it was necessary to cut back. But while the special education department now has a departmental university (I graduated from it), the Mines of Defense no longer has a specialized engineering university. The most knowledge-intensive and valuable military pilots also had to be preserved to the maximum. Because they are the most difficult to restore, and if in an infantry college a cadet after the 3rd year can be promoted to lieutenant or junior and sent as a platoon commander, then the pilot cannot be released after the 3rd year.

[Sergej1972]

Spetsstroy is now part of the Ministry of Defense system. Accordingly, so does his departmental university.

[Krilion]

Quote: Per se.

The North Military District may become not only a semblance of shame for the Russo-Japanese War, but also for the situation of 1917.

As for the semblance of shame, then... we already have it in fact... and what is happening now cannot end in anything other than a shameful agreement, which may well encourage the people to curse the existing government..

[Alex Slastenin]

So-so analytics, question to the author: who prevented your Putin/Ivanov/Serdyukov/Shoigu from building a personnel training system? It was available for twenty years, a huge base was inherited from the USSR, but it was still squandered, the USSR built armed forces from scratch in 10 years, and this in a country after two wars and the loss of qualified personnel, and here everyone is cursing the nineties, as if it’s 2001 , not 2023

[ZuekRek]

The value of this article is incredible. What should I do? Return it the way it was? But this logic (“return to roots”) never ends well. Based on recent events, it has become clear that the Western military is at least as good as ours in terms of training and training and can make the most out of “shit.” How is training organized in the USA and UK? How is it in China? I was recently surprised to learn that up to 3/4 of US officers are graduates of analogues of our “military departments” and “training centers at universities,” and not profs. army schools and academies. It turns out that in the US Army the duties that are performed by us are lieutenant, Art. lieutenant and partly captain, lie on non-commissioned officers ("type")/sergeants, who are not trained in academies for 4-5 years. This is what I would like to read - comparative analysis and suggestions. And not “ah-ah-ah!!!! bitches, they ruined it, they stole it.”

[Aleksandr Ivanov]

For this purpose there is an institute of warrant officers. Which was revived after Serdyukov’s reform.

[icant007]

Quote from ZuekRek

I was recently surprised to learn that up to 3/4 of US officers are graduates of analogues of our “military departments” and “training centers at universities,” and not profs. army schools and academies.

Well yes, they have one West Point Academy for all the Army.
And they graduate 1000 officers per year according to universal specialization.
True, then they study for another year in the areas of specific branches of the military in special training centers.
In principle, there is nothing wrong with the military department.
But, after graduation, the lieutenant must go through another year of intensive training. Then it will make sense.
And the existing military departments are, alas, a half-measure in military education.

[icant007]

Quote from ZuekRek

And what to do?

I don't know if it's a bike or not. But it seems that after the Russo-Japanese War, our military teachers at the General Staff Academy began teaching stupidly using Western textbooks.
In fact, it wouldn’t hurt to introduce a course in military schools to study NATO military guidance documents so that our future officers understand the logic of the enemy’s actions and how an officer of the opposing side will act on the battlefield.

[megadeth]

We need to find these comrades, it’s not difficult, but hang them up in public...

[icant007]

The problem is that the role of non-commissioned officers is greatly diminished. In the American army, a sergeant is a figure, a commander, quite independent.
But we just can’t understand that a sergeant should have greater powers than he has now. A lot depends on the sergeant on the battlefield.
And here they continue to push the officer of the future platoon commander through the 5-year high school course.
Serve a year as a conscript, then 3 on a contract, then certification, if you are capable of command, to a one-year officer school.
And then it will be a completely different commander.
And military schools, I mean combined arms, unfortunately train commanders who do not sufficiently understand what it means to be a soldier.
Studying at a military school should be very much combined with military training. What do we have?
Well, I don’t know now. And in the early 90s - an internship in the third year, like in the 4th year and that’s it. And the internship should be three months in the academic year.
Finished the first course - served as a soldier as a rifleman.
Graduated from the second - gunner-operator of an infantry fighting vehicle
Third - command the squad.
The fourth is a platoon.
Fifth, stay at the headquarters of the battalion or regiment to gain an understanding of the work of all interspecific interaction.

[Alexfly]

Seditious question: Why does a semi-puppet state need an Army and a Navy? The Russian Federation feeds (was fed) from a pipe, the lion's share of these incomes ended up in offshores, adding to the fortunes of those who managed the branches of the oligarchy and others like them.... If the price of one yacht was close to the price of one frenat, then why have any kind of own Policy at all? ? Is it easier to be an obedient semi-slave while playing democratic games??? Estates have been revived in the country again, a little more and castes will take their place... Instead of a half-dead state, they got a half-rotten one.....

[bsk_una]

But who will still be responsible for the collapse of the country of the USSR, for the collapse and “optimization” of sectors of the national economy, for the “heroes” who destroyed everything at once, including the Army??

[icant007]

Quote: Old_Major

And for the “expert” - we don’t have a branch of troops, “infantry”, we have motorized rifles.

Whatever you call it, it’s infantry and it’s infantry in Africa.
I’m telling you this as a former cadet of a general military school.
Even my father continues to disparagingly call me “infantry”; he is an air defense officer.
But the infantry has the hardest work in war.
Infantry as a term is more understandable to civilians, otherwise you start saying motorized infantry, motorized rifles, and people will roll their eyes and not understand that they are all the same thing.

[icant007]

It so happened that four years of military school were equivalent to two years of military service.

Yes, after 2 years it was possible to leave school painlessly.
Even after one and a half years, when the term of military service was reduced.
And those who were expelled before the deadline were usually sent to serve at the school in the BOUP (educational process support battalion)
Although there were scares that if a cadet dropped out even from the fourth year, he would be sent to serve in the army for another year.

[icant007]

The first military universities went under the knife in 1992 - these were the Leningrad Higher Military-Political School of Air Defense and the Khabarovsk Higher Military Construction Command School

Well, then they closed, or rather stopped, recruitment to the Omsk Combined Arms, Vladikavkaz.
True, a year later they decided to restore Omsk. But Vladikavkaz was completely closed, and from there the cadets were transferred, in particular, to Omsk.
There was a lot of tossing around.
But there is also a question of quality.
What is better than two dozen schools across the country, or two or three that train really good commanders.

Yes, it’s definitely bad when unique individual schools that train specialists close.
So, for example, we succeeded with aviation.
But maintaining a bunch of general military schools throughout the country is also not rational.
Considering how poorly tactics, for example, were taught in schools.
We shot a lot, but the practical training of tactical tasks was very poor.
There were a lot of classes in the classroom, plotting the situation on maps, constant tests on conventional signs, and studying combat regulations.
But how to move correctly on the battlefield, how to act as part of a group in urban areas, etc. no one taught this.
So, even thousands of lieutenants released into the troops (I speak specifically for motorized riflemen) would not change the situation. They simply weren’t taught, and apparently aren’t taught much now, about modern warfare.

[sgrabik]

The most interesting thing is that none of those brutes who started and implemented all this were convicted or suffered any punishment, all this liberal riffraff still continues to feel at ease, and this is not right, for such crimes it is necessary and must be punished, the same Like Serdyukov and his entire gang, this pig should not hold managerial positions, but sit in prison.

[air wolf]

Yes, I just fell into this meat grinder, but I quickly reoriented myself and went to the fire department at that time there was a Ministry of Internal Affairs and even a higher school - I graduated from the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, but then went into the energy sector for a normal salary. I served my homeland for more than 10 years, it was fun!

[Arabfun]

Quote: icant007

Quote from ZuekRek

I was recently surprised to learn that up to 3/4 of US officers are graduates of analogues of our “military departments” and “training centers at universities,” and not profs. army schools and academies.

In principle, there is nothing wrong with the military department. And the existing military departments are, alas, a half-measure in military education.

Military departments were not mentioned in the note in the 90s, but in vain. With the active assistance of American advisers, apparently, the elite of the technical universities of the Moscow Higher Technical School, the brains, were not allowed into the army after 2,5 years of study in a specialty, for example, air defense (VKS), under the pretext of an excess of brains in the army. That is, the group trained for 2,5 years on the S-75 air defense system at the level of engineers, but they were reduced and in the military ID there was an entry like: private, without military training... but in civilian life and with women, the military department does not count as service at all army .. I didn’t wave a shovel, I didn’t wash my grandfather’s socks, which means I didn’t serve.