In Russia, opened the first criminal case for evading mobilization

In Penza, the first criminal case was initiated for evading mobilization. Under investigation is a 32-year-old citizen of the Russian Federation, who allegedly refused to sign a summons to the military registration and enlistment office.

As human rights activist Pavel Chikov reports on his TG channel, the young man was detained by riot police and has been in isolation for the second day. At the same time, the suspect's lawyer has already filed a motion to terminate the criminal prosecution of his ward.

Recall that last month a partial mobilization was announced in Russia. A few days before, amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation were adopted, toughening the punishment for looting, evading military service, and desertion.

So, if earlier a “dodger” could “get off” with a fine or a maximum of imprisonment for up to 2 years, now for such a crime it can face up to 10 years in prison (also for evading by simulating an illness).

At the same time, Chikov said that Article 328 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation refers to those who are trying to evade military service, and not partial mobilization. In his arguments, the human rights activist refers to the explanations of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation.

In the meantime, while investigative measures are being taken against the “evader” from Penza, more than 200 reserve servicemen have already arrived at the military commissariats. The overall goal of the current stage of the draft is about 000 people, as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said earlier.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

But I'm interested in how the participants in the protest actions in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg went on mobilization?

[filibuster]

Do you want to drive them into the army, distribute weapons, and then get mass desertions, executions of officers on the front line?

[Blackmokona]

Quote from: filibuster

Do you want to drive them into the army, distribute weapons, and then get mass desertions, executions of officers on the front line?

It is necessary to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only with mass lend-lease of military equipment during regroupings, but also actively replenish their manpower. Arm and train all the dissatisfied in Russia and hand over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front, otherwise the enemy will suddenly run out of manpower. Not order.

[filibuster]

So this is what we are talking about, sending in the current situation in the current information field to the NWO those who not only do not want to take part in hostilities in principle, but also opposed the regime, is more like even sabotage.

[tkoh]

Do you want to send all opponents of the government to war? To teach them how to use weapons, to conduct combat operations, to instill coherence and a sense of support? And then what will the country expect when this mass of dissatisfied people returns from the front? Now they squeal at rallies and scatter from the riot police in different directions. Now imagine that all this disgruntled rabble will be with combat experience. New 1917 wanted to arrange? No, let them hide better in Georgia and Kazakhstan or sit in dachas.

[bk0010]

Quote: tkoh

And then what will the country expect when this mass of dissatisfied people returns from the front?

Problems can start right now. Until the civil war.

[Nickelium]

Those who participate in clownish rallies are lapdogs. they will never become warriors.

[vkfriendly]

Such will be quickly identified and such for a long time I think they will not live, their own will be shot. My son's army comrade was demobilized due to a wound, participated in the March events and told how the roofs of some were torn off, wild fear - a skewed face does not understand anything (this is worse than a drowning one who tries to drown a rescuer during rescue) and that he would not do trouble and set others up they themselves shot him, they say ...

[Edik]

Quote from: filibuster

Do you want to drive them into the army, distribute weapons, and then get mass desertions, executions of officers on the front line?

No, he wants to teach them to love the Motherland!

[filibuster]

So you need to teach not only with a stick, but also with a carrot, otherwise, as soon as these protesters get weapons in their hands, all love for the Motherland can instantly disappear.

[Edik]

Quote from: filibuster

So you need to teach not only with a whip, but also with a carrot

Don't worry, there will be both a stick and a carrot. As for the trunks, not only everyone will have them there.

[filibuster]

There are doubts about how the mobilization is going on, that a lot of work is being done on this account exactly, as well as ideological work with personnel in general.

[suhorukofal]

Quote from: filibuster

not only with a whip, but also with a gingerbread

There are a lot of questions about your post. That is, we will leave the whip (mobilization) for law-abiding citizens? And with this also give a gingerbread, is this why they are better than others? For them, the law is the same, if they meet the criteria for mobilization, then fight ahead, if they show themselves there, they will have complete moral dissent and speak proudly about it.

[filibuster]

I repeat the question again, you want to gather the citizens who went out to protest, rally them, teach them how to use weapons, give them these weapons and send them to Ukraine. There is a high probability that they will direct this weapon in a completely different direction, plus they can introduce decomposition into the ranks of the Armed Forces. And I'll repeat my post below:

And what proposals can there be, as all the full-time propagandists have now trumpeted, firstly, stop lying, secondly, decide that we have an NWO, WHO, a war. If there is no war and no martial law, then what kind of mobilization can there be, but if there is mobilization, then you need to do everything so that people go voluntarily, to offer “stormtroopers” life insurance from 30 million rubles for families, a salary from 1 million for month, well, since people have no idea what they should fight for in Ukraine, the material component remains. Those who do not want to go to the front are offered work in the rear, also on higher conditions, with double or triple work experience.
Otherwise, how is it that all these 22 years under Putin, the state told me that my problems are my problems, and then when the state, under the leadership of the same Putin, decently screwed up, it orders me to go solve his problems, perhaps even at the cost of my life, and even this is possible it would be accepted if there was a clear confidence that the state definitely wants to solve problems, and not play for time and find an opportunity for Khasovyurt.

[suhorukofal]

Quote from: filibuster

I repeat the question

For starters, you yourself will learn how to answer questions, you never answered mine.

Quote from: filibuster

There is a high probability that they will direct this weapon in a completely different direction, plus they can introduce decomposition into the ranks of the Armed Forces.

Now let's leave them in the rear, let others fight. During the Second World War, and in other times in other countries, this is exactly what they did with such smart comrades - they cherished, cherished and cherished, all of a sudden they would be indignant at what they would be in the ranks of the Armed Forces.

[solar]

this is exactly what they did - political prisoners were not sent to the front, only criminals, and then at will.

[suhorukofal]

Quote from solar

political prisoners were not sent to the front

These are not political prisoners, they are far from them. Let them go to serve, work in the support units is just for them.
Again, you didn't answer my question. You offer a "whip" (your words) in the form of mobilization for law-abiding citizens, but candy for these mother's warriors?
And your reasoning is so ridiculous, I'm not talking about the fact that you can give the example of Rokossovsky in response. It will just be interesting if all such rebels are left in civilian life, this is a really good way to raise the mobilization rate and reduce protest moods, after such a "punishment" everyone will feel the severity of this action.

[solar]

sorry, you made a mistake, you didn't ask me.
I just drew your attention to the fact that not everyone was taken to the front.

[suhorukofal]

I beg your pardon. We are all without an avtarki, confused.

[tkoh]

They fight for power and for ideas. And what will these traitors fight for? And will there be at all and how will they be? The president has 76% support, if not more. The choice is large, on whom you can rely. And these 0.1 percent are of no use, but many problems can be created

[suhorukofal]

Quote: tkoh

They fight for power and for an idea

Who are you talking about?

Quote: tkoh

And these 0.1 percent are of no use, but many problems can be created

Based on this logic, it is necessary to take only volunteers.
Yes, what will these protesters do there so dangerously, what they cannot do here, will they whine about how bad it is to live? This is not a revolutionary movement with its own ideology, they will get into the ranks and be the same as everyone else.

[tkoh]

Quote: suhorukofal

Yes, what will these protesters do there so dangerously, what they cannot do here, will they whine about how bad it is to live? This is not a revolutionary movement with its own ideology, they will get into the ranks and be the same as everyone else.

They will learn how to fight there. And upon our return, they will arrange some kind of revolution for all of us here. Do you want a revolution in the country? Did you miss the 90s? I don't want to. Better to let those disgruntled run away. They don't have enough money, so we can chip in just so they can leave. And then they will get into the army and wait for trouble then

[suhorukofal]

Quote: tkoh

And then they will get into the army and wait for trouble then

It's fun to read your thoughts. Does he suggest that they not be drafted into the army at all? The logic is simply brilliant. You can’t mobilize them - then they’ll make a revolution, maybe they’ll give them milk for harmfulness while law-abiding citizens are dying? And it’s better to create a pioneer camp for them, well, so that they don’t bring harm. Let law-abiding citizens die in war. ridiculous nonsense to such an extent that it’s even funny, here the prisoners go to war and nothing, everything is fine, no one is afraid of this. And then mother's warriors can raise a revolution. It’s just in the men’s team that they need to improve, it’s not with hipster friends to talk about Western values, to face life’s difficulties they will understand everything themselves, at the same time learn discipline. The army has a knack for beating the crap out of people.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: tkoh

They don't have enough money, so we can chip in just so they can leave.

And how much are you willing to pay?

[Maks winter]

well written, do not add, do not subtract, as they say ...

[Quote Lavrov]

Through the threat of criminal cases? Do you think that this is how love for the motherland is instilled?
And I thought that by personal example - like the children of Stalin, Mikoyan, etc.

[Edik]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Through the threat of criminal cases?

As I understand it, at that time, gingerbread was handed out to those who evaded for this. And yes, the GDP has a daughter, but women are not subject to mobilization now. As far as I know, Yevgeny Prigozhin’s son is on the front line. This is just an example.

[Quote Lavrov]

And the daughters of husbands, young people do not? Plemyannikov, etc. And Medvedev doesn’t have a son, and Peskov’s son didn’t send a three-letter mobilization with threats ...
Get your tongue out...

[Edik]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

And the daughters of husbands, young people do not? Plemyannikov, etc.

And what do you have any information about them?

[AdAstra]

Here it is not the tongue that needs to be pulled out, but what it is attached to.

[tkoh]

Quote: Edik

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Through the threat of criminal cases?

As I understand it, at that time, gingerbread was handed out to those who evaded for this. And yes, the GDP has a daughter, but women are not subject to mobilization now. As far as I know, Yevgeny Prigozhin’s son is on the front line. This is just an example.

Well, then you can go to the front as sisters of mercy.

[Edik]

Quote: tkoh

Well, then you can go to the front as sisters of mercy.

You can probably, but don't you think that we are moving away from the dispute?

[Kiril Letov]

I am very sorry, but Yevgeny Prigozhin is an "authoritative" entrepreneur and nothing more. But the children of military age of those who are directly in power, for example: Peskov, Kiriyenko, Mishustin, Khusnullin and beyond, as far as I know, there are no further in the battle formations of the army, but they regularly speak about patriotism.
Therefore, I do not undertake to condemn those who, for example, went abroad.
By the way, Stalin had two sons at the front, Mikoyan had three of three, Khrushchev's son died at the front, Mikhail Frunze's son was at the front, Beria's son was also in the army. Here they could fully condemn others both with terms and contempt.

[Spanish45]

Stalin tenia 3 hijos en el Frente, Yakob, Vasili y Artiom.

[zombirusrev]

There will be bears in the taiga and the Arctic to drive .. in the construction battalion ..

[Tim]

Do not give them weapons, use them as labor force. They can build, dig, repair equipment.

[filibuster]

And how do you determine whether or not to give them weapons, summonses are sent indiscriminately, people are also sent to the unit, even sometimes without a medical examination. If you ask directly and, on the basis of this, decide to send them to the "stormtroopers" or leave them at the repair base, then most of the mobilized will want to stay in the "rear".

[Quote Lavrov]

Yes, yes, yes ... that's exactly what they will do. How..

[dmi.pris1]

No. Below, the forum member correctly noted. Teach the Motherland to love. Well, or at least respect ..

[Mwg]

"Do you want to drive them into the army, distribute weapons, and then get mass desertions, executions of officers on the front line?" - I beg of you! This is the cycle part of our diverse people. They are cheerful in a crowd, one by one, when "the cops twist their hands", snotty children, even 35-year-olds. Of course, with the rare exception of some schizoids, whom the medical board will reject anyway. So no shootings. Run, yes, they will be single. But it depends on the direct commander. If he tightens the necessary nuts, then maybe he will even make a good soldier.

[filibuster]

It’s in vain that you “underestimate the enemy” like that, Ukraine also had to surrender in a week. And so going to protests in Russia already takes courage, how many came out against raising the retirement age, and how many were really dissatisfied.
You are wrong to think so about the youth, this is no longer our Soviet generation of friendly “approval” and “condemnation”.

[Mwg]

I know modern youth very well: there are objective ones and they are in the majority, there are freeloaders from birth - I want, I have the right, you must, etc. Among the manifested egoists there are followers and imitators, there are majorists and there are egoists from birth. And all manifested egoists are permanently anxious and panicky cowardly. For the carcass is the most valuable. The threat to the carcass, as a rule, reduces all protests to zero. And, in fact, what does the youth of today have to do with it? It's always been that way. For example, when I was young, I came across "imaginists" who in a university grove fenced off trees with bandages and depicted something in the fence. Well, as a guy from the periphery, I did not understand what was happening and expressed my misunderstanding in a derogatory manner. They explained to me that this is a "performance" and this is not for cattle. I promised now to give a turnip and the "performance" immediately ended. But they called me cattle anyway, when they had already gone far away))))))) Well, I was too lazy to catch up))))))
And, yes, about protests: they go to protests when someone allocates money to the organizers, assistant organizers, their assistants, and so on. Usually the US is so kind.

[Alexander Salenko]

Why immediately to the front, you can go to jail for trying to disrupt an important state event.

[Dmitrii]

Apparently - yes. That's exactly what they want. While in our country everything will be done for show. The governor removed our military enlistment office, he raked out entire villages of peasants, as a result, the upper chamber was overflowing with incomprehensible people, some have already been released home, so this bad person on connections dumped to work as a military commissar in another region.

[for]

Quote: dmi.pris

And I'm interested in how

And I'm interested in what kind of criminal liability will the organizers and executors of partial mobilization incur?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: for

Quote: dmi.pris

And I'm interested in how

And I'm interested in what kind of criminal liability will the organizers and executors of partial mobilization incur?

Medals, orders, awards, prizes and promotions. What else happens to us? In the worst case, a ticket to London for permanent residence in his luxurious mansion.

[zombirusrev]

What responsibility will the perestroikas bear for the collapse of the USSR, which resulted in this war .. and not only this one ..

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: for

And I'm interested in what kind of criminal liability will the organizers and executors of partial mobilization incur?

They don't drip over them. There is no criminal liability for this. Maybe...

[Quote Lavrov]

And me - how was the mobilization of the sons of Peskov, Medvedev, members of the government, deputies, oligarchs, etc.
What, none of them fit? Not a single corner of the case shines for them?
Correctly. Friends - everything, enemies - the law!

[Maxim G]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

And me - how was the mobilization of the sons of Peskov, Medvedev, members of the government, deputyc, oligarchs, etc.

Shame on you?

Milonov spoke about combining the duties of a military man in the Donbass and a State Duma deputy

Photo: Egor Aleev / TASS

State Duma deputy Vitaly Milonov told how he manages to combine the duties of the people's choice of the lower house of parliament and the military in the Donbass. It is reported by RIA Novosti.

“I perform some of my duties in the military component, and some in the humanitarian component. According to the deputy, we will say so. People see that I am a deputy, and there is no way without it, ”he explained.

According to the parliamentarian, this is "not a very ordinary service." “Now I have arrived, and my colleagues from Chelyabinsk, the governor asked me to transfer help with an opportunity. I brought food packages for Teacher's Day, ”Milonov said.

Earlier, Milonov voluntarily mobilized to the zone of the special operation in Ukraine. Later, he returned to Moscow to participate in the ratification of agreements on joining the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics, as well as Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, into Russia.
https://lenta.ru/news/2022/10/05/milonov/

[Quote Lavrov]

I won’t even write about the fact that he has been in Moscow for a week, ok, for the procedure for accepting new republics.
Okay, we think he's on the front line, and didn't take a selfie and leave. Well done, no questions! I’ll say more, for sure, there are career officers, children of the top, and they are now in their own. But these are personnel, not mobilized.
But you yourself are not funny to give the ONLY example? You really don’t understand that you don’t refute me, but only confirm the correctness of my words?!

[Maxim G]

State Duma deputy Vitaly Milonov, who takes part in the hostilities in Ukraine as a volunteer, spoke about his service in the special operation zone. He told KP.ru about it. Earlier, Milonov said that he served as a junior sergeant in an anti-tank artillery battery on a 100-millimeter MT-12 anti-tank gun and used his old call sign "Gustav". According to Milonov, every day he is required to destroy at least one target. - be it an infantry fighting vehicle or a reinforcement of a Ukrainian military detachment. As the deputy said, once, with the help of his colleagues, he managed to destroy the Grad multiple launch rocket system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He also explained that the military themselves do not see whether they hit the target or not, and only receive a report about it. After that, as “Gustav” notes, the servicemen quickly disguise themselves and go to the fortification, because this is followed by return fire. It is reported by "The Rambler". Further: https://news.rambler.ru/conflicts/49442438/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[Quote Lavrov]

Excuse me, but after the sentence:

According to Milonov

almost stopped reading, and after

he is required to destroy at least one target - be it an infantry fighting vehicle or a reinforcement of a Ukrainian military detachment. As the deputy said, once, with the help of his colleagues, he managed to destroy the Grad multiple launch rocket system.

interest waned completely.

If I am mistaken in my opinion regarding this case, I will only be glad that at least ONE was found.
Unfortunately, the exception only proves the rule.

[Maxim G]

Try to take this news in the context of the last 30 years.

[Quote Lavrov]

If so, then everything is elementary - balabolism and window dressing.

[Alexander Salenko]

We talked above about Prigozhin’s son, our son Aksyonov also went to the army, but yes, this is not the biggest indicator, all the sons fought at the Politburo.

[Prjanik]

Offhand, the deputies Bondarev, Delimkhanov, Sablin, these are from the security forces, and representatives from other areas volunteered and left for their own, I don’t remember their last names, you can look on the Internet

[ZoV]

Quote: dmi.pris

But I'm interested in how the participants in the protest actions in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg went on mobilization?

It’s also interesting how and what .. Most likely they fled abroad!
In general, it is necessary to create from such penal battalions.

[Thrifty]

And hundreds of thousands of people who have faded from the country, how is that? And children like Peskov, "gentlemen from a big dump, why not in the forefront of the war? Otherwise they found a loshka, arrange a public flogging for him! Then blame him for the surrender of cities, and the constant "advance back"!

[Mavrikiy]

In Russia, opened the first criminal case for evading mobilization

In order to save the nation for evading mobilization - castration.

[kin]

castration

Probably, he shouted goyda and cheers for too long, he went crazy.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: kin

Probably, he shouted goyda and cheers for too long, he went crazy.

You are the first candidate. Evaluation of my comment (+5), and yours (+3) ..... You, for too long, shouted goyda and cheers, you got crazy. and crazy

[kin]

Quote: Mavrikiy

You are the first candidate.

Announce the entire list, please.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Nothing is clear. Have you served before? As he explains his refusal. What is the state of health. Under what circumstances
whether he received the summons or not, etc. Just dodged and got held up

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Nothing is clear. Have you served before? As he explains his refusal. What is the state of health. Under what circumstances
whether he received the summons or not, etc. Just dodged and got held up

The military registration and enlistment offices showed themselves in all their glory, I won’t be surprised at all that even now they’re rubbing some kind of mess.

[Mint Gingerbread]

It's too early to judge. Maybe later all the circumstances will be covered in more detail. And here again is an example of how news is presented to the population, 0 information and everyone will start to invent their own version

[Alexander Salenko]

I didn’t doubt this for a second, when we switched to Russian military registration in Simferopol, we had 4 military registration and enlistment offices in the city with the district, there was one, wild queues, and at the same time I arrived in the morning and the men tell you that you can and not get it today. And the military commissars themselves talked like cattle, I don’t know anyone. Previously, everything was somehow calm in my military registration and enlistment office, they knew someone and they knew me, but here they made such a mess, the process itself was foul language.

[ZoV]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Nothing is clear. Have you served before? As he explains his refusal. What is the state of health. Under what circumstances
whether he received the summons or not, etc. Just dodged and got held up

Well, if you have health to fight with riot police, then everything is clear right away in the penal battalion!

[Mint Gingerbread]

And where is it written that during the arrest, the person resisted the riot police? And the fact that the security forces participate in such events is a standard procedure.

[ZoV]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

And where is it written that during the arrest, the person resisted the riot police?

Yes, there are a lot of videos of all sorts ... In Russia, it is already such a fashion for young people to "hang out" in a fight with riot police, and even money for this can be raised not bad if you were closed and you were very active.

[Quote Lavrov]

And why in many countries the police protect those who go to protests, while in our country it is exactly the opposite? Nothing that, according to the constitution, citizens have the right to hold meetings? We like their agenda - we don't like it, but if the purpose of the rally is not illegal, then this is the RIGHT of citizens.
And just don’t talk about Navalny - rallies for installing sensors on trucks, against the garbage reform (guess whose children headed these offices?) Why were they dispersed?

[ZoV]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

And why in many countries the police protect those who go to protests, while in our country it is exactly the opposite?

Protects you say? Well, if only LGBT)))
And so anti-government rallies are very harshly dispersed with gas, water cannons and rubber bullets .. According to my video, there are quite a few on the net .. And our riot police are just a kindergarten compared to Western ones.

[Quote Lavrov]

Have Solovyov heard enough of this nonsense? So let me disappoint you with the most recent examples - rallies of the AfD in Germany, against abortion in Poland. The authorities do not like these rallies, but they pass. Moreover, under police protection. Collisions occur only with the aggression of the protesters.
In this case, the police are obliged to act tough, but according to the law.
I’ll ask again - did the protesters against the forced and paid installation of equipment on trucks and the garbage reform throw themselves at the police or what?

[ZoV]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

I’ll ask again - did the protesters against the forced and paid installation of equipment on trucks and the garbage reform throw themselves at the police or what?

Remembered. You tell me more about the "starving pensioners and the road" here ..
The double standards of the West have long been known to me. And what is an information war against one gate of the "world community" in the world media.

[Alexander Salenko]

And what does Solovyov have to do with it, it seems to me that our cops were utterly muzzled, remember the tantrum a couple of years ago, when a woman came up to the riot police from behind and he shoved her away with his foot, what started there? The video shows that this is not a blow, but a rough repulsion, yes, it’s unpleasant, but what the hell did she climb to him at all?
Cops take force only as a last resort. There is a video of a drunk with a knife near the entrance to the cops, they aimed their guns and he was rushing, another cop even ran around the bean from him, not wanting to use weapons, I had to shoot the insane person in the leg. Say what the US cops would do?

[NKT]

Then, to maintain a balance, you need to introduce an article for erroneous mobilization.

[Arsi55]

It can only be in democratic countries

[Steppe]

It also says "Refused to sign the summons." Although it is written "supposedly", but we have it like this: "suspected", "a person similar to", but they were arrested at the crime scene.

[Comrade I]

Nothing is clear from the article.
Who, why, why? What is it aimed at? To the challenge of the reaction "catch the coward!"?
Did you serve? What is the state of health? Reasonable circumstances?
With mobilization going so poorly, anything is possible.

[ARIONkrsk]

In order not to repeat again when expanding the front to Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev and others during the offensive, it is necessary to call on 300 thousand + volunteers, and not just 300 thousand.

[Nastia makarova]

it is written that 300 is only the first stage of mobilization

[tkoh]

How many will be called in total? All 25 million reservists?

[Nastia makarova]

about 1 million......................

[Rusik.S]

And how many cases were filed against stupid military commissars who mobilized those who were in no way fit for service?

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: Rusik.S

And how many cases were filed against stupid military commissars who mobilized those who were in no way fit for service?

They need to go to the front, weather the nonsense and get smart.

[FIR FIR]

They are all human, and human beings make mistakes.

[Vladimir M]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Nothing is clear. Have you served before? As he explains his refusal. What is the state of health. Under what circumstances
whether he received the summons or not, etc. Just dodged and got held up

What difference does it make under what circumstances, whether you served or did not serve - sign for the summons and go to the military enlistment office and justify why you cannot be drafted. And yet, why are only those who served subject to mobilization, and the one who at one time fell away from the army should not be called up? The one who served, maybe he also saw the machine gun only on the oath. It turns out some are white and fluffy, others are blacks. This is not correct.

[mitroha]

Quote: Vladimir M

And yet, why are only those who served subject to mobilization, and the one who at one time fell away from the army should not be called up?

Do not worry, they were in the first wave and should have been called up, just now they have focused on those who served and have combat experience, with certain VUSs. The second wave will come. And the second wave, I think, should go immediately after the first, because it will take much longer to prepare them. And people will be needed if we want not only to keep territories, but also to fulfill the goals of the NWO

[tkoh]

And what are your goals? Maybe they've been done for a long time?

[ZoV]

Quote: Mitroha

Quote: Vladimir M

And yet, why are only those who served subject to mobilization, and the one who at one time fell away from the army should not be called up?

Do not worry, they were in the first wave and should have been called up, just now they have focused on those who served and have combat experience, with certain VUSs. The second wave will come. And the second wave, I think, should go immediately after the first, because it will take much longer to prepare them. And people will be needed if we want not only to keep territories, but also to fulfill the goals of the NWO

Of course, you don’t need to flog a fever, you’re right here .. But you still need to act tough in such matters .. The country is on the verge of war again with the collective fascist West.
So it's better to overdo it than to grab your head later

[Vasyan1971]

In Penza, the first criminal case was initiated for evading mobilization.

The point, rather, as usual, is not the severity of punishment, but its inevitability. And with these we have problems ...

[Amper]

Prokhin ... dei. It would be better if they announced that a criminal case has been opened on the theft of 1,5 million sets of uniforms, as well as on the waste of budgetary funds for the production of single copies of military equipment that cannot be put into production

[mitroha]

Quote: Amper

It would be better to announcethat a criminal case has been opened on the theft of 1,5 million sets of uniforms

All crimes should be investigated, not better these or these.
And it would be better if the perpetrators were found, and not announced an investigation

[Amper]

These are simply heard, all housewives know. Even if they do something, they will put a switchman (some kind of) and after a couple of years they will let him go to the Bahamas. Kingdom of the Vision.

[Knell wardenheart]

Condemn everyone, jail everyone. More convicts - more order.
Everything is as usual)) Our standard reaction to actions that are objectionable to us - old Karabas Barabas approves
While the smartest-wealthy (and not wanting to mobilize at the same time) citizens calmly leave their native land across the borders of neighboring states - the least smart-wealthy fall under the rink, which famously crushes them, in another portion of unrealizable hopes for breaking the inhabitants into warriors and builders and politically irresponsible - in politically conscious.
You know, when people get tired of being afraid, it’s not even anger that comes to them, no. They become indifferent.)
This thing can no longer be stirred up by Solovyov or a famously snapping whip. It's just worth remembering.

[Nastia makarova]

those who left will also be punished, 180 people on the Georgian border received summons and now there is no queue

[2 Level Advisor]

those. agendas - their punishment according to you? strongly..

[tkoh]

Do you want to say that fulfilling your sacred duty to protect the Motherland is such a punishment???

[Knell wardenheart]

Well, in this case, they will sigh heavily and .. will not return. To a country with high inflation, a bunch of sanctions and without such obvious prospects. This whole line of nightmares about Mordor - it's really cool, healthy, freaky - when there is some kind of internal alternative. Well, for example - when the layman is so snickering and everything is just so cool that the state kicks and kicks him at "X Hour" and he does not get up, well, not at all. And so, in fact, we now have a good 200k people dumped across the Kazakh border, 80k or how many there through the Georgian border, the total numbers of those who left (specifically after the "M" day, and not in the last 6 months and not in the last N-years), this after all, very large numbers. They call the figure more than 500k people.
As a rule, these are people who have achieved something here. At least what they can dump "there" along with their belongings. Often these are people with a skill that can go "there", or at least with an understanding of why they "categorically do not want to be here now." This is already a lot - by voting with their feet, these citizens vote much more CONSCIOUSLY than many in the elections. If they are "squeezed" now, they will say "well, fuck him" and stay there, withdraw their assets as much as possible.
"Punishment", xha .. what is this punishment for them - when they are on the THAT side of the border, from where we cannot get our money, arrested, what can we say about such people ..

I am not at all pointing to valor or clairvoyance in the example of these people. I point out that there are a LOT of them. That is, a LOT of dissatisfied, incomprehensible, wanting to stupidly run away nafig and not grow grass later. With money, scarbor, relatives, knowledge.
And now we don’t think at all, “what the hell happened?” - no, we are after them thinking how to beat them so finally it hurts, so that they miss their homeland even more. Will they? Well, objectively - why? On pines, birches, balalaikas and beautiful speeches for round dates?

These 500k + - are, first of all, people whom the state COULD NOT keep in itself so qualitatively that even for SUCH SHIT they are ready to fall off, often without looking back. They do not feel their involvement with what is happening - because they feel how much they do not care, because they do not understand what is happening at all, because they do not trust and rely only on themselves. Like most of their lives and careers, they had to hope.
Here are the conclusions from all this.
Are they doing well? But not good and not bad - they act in proportion to their life experience. They didn't have the reflex to fight for it, they had the reflex to run. Because they are cowards and alarmists, or because they do not feel that they have something to fight for?
If a person is afraid, scaring him even more will not make him a super-soldier. He'll pee in his pants or crash with a heart attack. If a person has nothing to fight for, do you think he will fight so that he is not dragged into the Gulag? Seriously?) Do you think this is motivation? Did King Xerxes have good warriors? Or were Leonid better? After all, they had different motivations - some were driven to fight with a whip and fear, others defended their country.

Let's make a great habit of working on motivation for years before pulling out a good old-fashioned seven-tailed whip for every bullshit occasion. Perhaps then those who run next time will be somewhat less!

[Amper]

Is it possible to make love a country run by thieves and crooks who have settled in all positions. Is it possible to love a country where corrupt media have been broadcasting for decades about helpless deceived depositors and equity holders. Where to get to the doctor under the policy you can sign up (if you can) .. in 1-2-3 months. Where for an operation on a quota and compulsory medical insurance you have to pay not badly and then go out disabled. Will young people fall in love with the country when they are shown from childhood on all channels that corrupt, corrupt, lustful, nasty, huddled in a flock, half-bandits, half-generals, half-officials, half-deputies, sit and rule everywhere, that judges corrupt and the police too. And as they grow up, they begin to feel it all for themselves. And they have to love it!? Do not judge and you will not be judged!

[Adrey]

This time a special "BRAVO"! "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye"! Everything exactly...

[earthling]

And after that, why are we better than the Benderites?

[Buyan]

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote from: filibuster

Do you want to drive them into the army, distribute weapons, and then get mass desertions, executions of officers on the front line?

It is necessary to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only with mass lend-lease of military equipment during regroupings, but also actively replenish their manpower. Arm and train all the dissatisfied in Russia and hand over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front, otherwise the enemy will suddenly run out of manpower. Not order.

Well, what are your suggestions? Or just chat?

[filibuster]

And what proposals can there be, as all the full-time propagandists have now trumpeted, firstly, stop lying, secondly, decide that we have an NWO, WHO, a war. If there is no war and no martial law, then what kind of mobilization can there be, but if there is mobilization, then you need to do everything so that people go voluntarily, to offer “stormtroopers” life insurance from 30 million rubles for families, a salary from 1 million for month, well, since people have no idea what they should fight for in Ukraine, the material component remains. Those who do not want to go to the front are offered work in the rear, also on higher conditions, with double or triple work experience.
Otherwise, how is it that all these 22 years under Putin, the state told me that my problems are my problems, and then when the state, under the leadership of the same Putin, decently screwed up, it orders me to go solve his problems, perhaps even at the cost of my life, and even this is possible it would be accepted if there was a clear confidence that the state definitely wants to solve problems, and not drag out time to find an opportunity for Khasovyurt.

[Ed]

We laughed at how Ukraine caught its own, now we are catching it ourselves. Let the status of the operation be changed and the army thrown there. But on top of course they have a super plan.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Only fools laugh at such things, regardless of age. Ukraine also acted within the legal framework of its law on martial law. Russia now has similar laws, but in a milder form. What they catch is not the first century runners exist and will exist. To be afraid to die or not support the current government is a natural phenomenon. It is still somehow necessary to protect the interests of the country, or you will have to live by someone else's laws.

[g_ae]

This is good. But I wonder if officials who failed to cope with the mobilization will be held accountable? Or to another job with a promotion and state awards?

[Tagan]

Quote: dmi.pris

But I'm interested in how the participants in the protest actions in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg went on mobilization?

They apparently already study the Georgian language.

[tun5t]

Release and reward for not running away to Kazakhstan!

[maxim1987]

spent the weekend with the boys (34-36) that week .An older brother calls one and says that a NOTICE has come from the military registration and enlistment office, to the old address. The guy didn't serve. Went the next day to VK (behind us, on the sly with button accordion). In general, he was asked (and he works as the chief engineer of city heating systems) if he was going to slip away somewhere at the beginning of the heating season on the wave of psychosis? He said no. Well let's go home and the girls already all over the city staged the lamentation of Yaroslavna

[Comandor777]

You better tell me when the population will see criminal cases for robbing the army? Or should the people send money via SMS to equip the mobilized?

[Buyan]

Quote from: filibuster

And what proposals can there be, as all the full-time propagandists have now trumpeted, firstly, stop lying, secondly, decide that we have an NWO, WHO, a war. If there is no war and no martial law, then what kind of mobilization can there be, but if there is mobilization, then you need to do everything so that people go voluntarily, to offer “stormtroopers” life insurance from 30 million rubles for families, a salary from 1 million for month, well, since people have no idea what they should fight for in Ukraine, the material component remains. Those who do not want to go to the front are offered work in the rear, also on higher conditions, with double or triple work experience.
Otherwise, how is it that all these 22 years under Putin, the state told me that my problems are my problems, and then when the state, under the leadership of the same Putin, decently screwed up, it orders me to go solve his problems, perhaps even at the cost of my life, and even this is possible it would be accepted if there was a clear confidence that the state definitely wants to solve problems, and not drag out time to find an opportunity for Khasovyurt.

Reasonable position, what can I say - everyone has their own truth

[DenVB]

I wonder what they will do if people start tearing up these agendas without exception? Maybe not in this wave, but in the next one, when this one is used up on the fronts, and the people begin to massively fuck up and goof off.

Three hundred thousand people will be put in jail? Are there enough cameras? Will the courts have time to pile up everyone?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: DenVB

Three hundred thousand people will be put in jail? Are there enough cameras? Will the courts have time to pile up everyone?

so Bavarian beer and sausages wanted?

[DenVB]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

so Bavarian beer and sausages wanted?

And what do they feed and water you at the front?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the question is, to put it mildly, silly, however, like the first statement

[Luminman]

Quote: zombirusrev

There will be bears in the taiga and the Arctic to drive .. in the construction battalion

These bears will drive them around the tatsga and the Arctic ...

[Plowman]

Our stupid people gave all the majors the opportunity to leave, and ordinary guys are starting to spread rot.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Plowman

and ordinary guys start to spread rot.

please clarify what you mean by "spite"
in the sense you called mobilization rottenness or, something else meant

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

32 years old man, but all a young man

[AdAstra]

Well, Kakorin and Mamaev, at the age of 30, also appeared in the media as young guys, or is it something else?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what is this for?!
Or is it important to write something?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

We have two malicious evaders of mobilization, the economy and capital. Has a criminal case been filed yet?

[Tim]

[/ Quote] The Governor of the Kursk region Roman Starovoit said that he found inadequate conditions for mobilized reservists in some military units.

According to him, in some places of accommodation there are no beds, a dining room and showers require repair, and there are not enough uniforms for soldiers.

“I visited all the military units where our mobilized are now. Somewhere normal, but somewhere just terrible. A ruined dining room, broken and rusty showers, no beds, and those that are, were killed, lack of uniforms, a parade ground like after a bombing, ”says the governor [quote]

Is this how normal? Now, perhaps, it is necessary to initiate a criminal case against the officials who brought the military units to such a state?

[bk0010]

now for such a crime can face up to 10 years in prison

Seriously? 10 years? Even if he slammed the military commissar, he could get less ... Now you should be wary of an outbreak of petty crimes (such as squeezing an iPhone or beating peddlers of subpoenas): articles are more authoritative and terms are shorter, or even a condition. Until they are taken into the army under court, and the lawyer drags out the case until victory, and then there is an amnesty. It seems that the legislators' head does not work at all.

[Carlos Hall]

Send him to the front line and to the Chechens in case he tries to flee or surrender.

[Master 2030]

How can you fight from under the stick? Maybe citizens need to be CALLED to the service, and not broken on the knee?

[Scientist_]

Quote: Edik

As far as I know, the son of Yevgeny Prigozhin is at the forefront.

And who is Yevgeny Prigogine? Minister? Head of Gazprom? Leader of the ruling party?

[Mint Gingerbread]

An official and a deputy from Kulebak hunted down a young guy who volunteered for a Special Military Operation. Alexander Loshchenko could not stand the frank rudeness and cynicism, and posted the correspondence for all to see. Look what the head of the culture department Kulebak Svetlana Novikova writes to the volunteer.

This still needs to be fought, the people are already angry.

[AdAstra]

Well, if a person refused to sign the summons, and then came on it, what will the "punishers" do? It's probably only in this country that a refusal to sign a meaningless piece of paper = evasion