The Czech Republic sent a preliminary request to the United States for the purchase of F-35 fighters

The Czech Republic has begun the procedure for the purchase of American fifth-generation F-35 fighters by sending a preliminary request to Washington. Official negotiations will start later.

The Czech Defense Ministry has sent an informal request to the United States for 24 F-35 fighter jets, negotiations are scheduled to begin around mid-October, and a delegation is already preparing to be sent to the United States. The Czechs want to set the obligatory participation of the country's defense enterprises in the implementation of this order as the main condition for the purchase of American aircraft.

The fact that the Czech Republic intends to buy American F-35 fighters was reported back in July of this year, but then the question was still up in the air, because this deal had many opponents. Apparently, over the past time, this issue has been finally resolved in favor of the supporters of the deal, since the signing of the agreement is being prepared. If the contract is signed, the Czech Republic will become the 10th European state that has chosen the F-35 as the main fighter for its Air Force.

In principle, the issue of supplying fighter jets to the Czechs can be considered already resolved, Washington is not against it, Lockheed Martin only welcomes the choice of Prague. It remains to settle some questions, in particular, about the participation of Czech defense enterprises in the production of fighters. It is also not yet known how much the purchase of 24 F-35s will cost the Czech Republic, since it is not known what else the Czechs want to get besides the fighters themselves.

In the Czech Air Force, the F-35 should replace the JAS-39 Gripen fighters leased from Sweden. It is planned to receive new aircraft in Prague until 2027, since that is when the lease of Swedish fighters ends.

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[cold wind]

The only 5th generation fighter available on the market, which is about 1,5-2 times cheaper than flu or rafal.
The choice is simply obvious.

[Victor_B]

Quote from cold wind

which is cheaper than flu or rafal by about 1,5-2 times.

In my opinion, my friend, you greatly underestimated the comparative cost of the Penguin.
There after all still cost of a life cycle should be considered.
And an hour of Penguin flight is not cheap!

[cold wind]

Quote: Victor_B

In my opinion, my friend, you greatly underestimated the comparative cost of the Penguin.
There after all still cost of a life cycle should be considered.
And an hour of Penguin flight is not cheap!

I? It's not my fault. The Finns counted everything and posted it on the Internet.
Results of the tender for the purchase of new fighters for the Finnish Air Force, December 10, 2021:

Reportedly, the competition commission used a rather complex system for comparing equipment. Various parameters and features of each of the aircraft (F/A-18E/F, Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale F4 and Saab JAS-39E/F) were included in a complex formula from which the overall rating was derived. To have a chance to win in the program, the applicant had to score at least 4 points. The F-35A aircraft received a score of 4,47 and became the only one that managed to overcome the given barrier. The nearest competitor scored only 3,81 points.

According to the Ministry of Defense, when evaluating and comparing the aircraft, various parameters were taken into account in four directions: the combat potential of the sample, its availability, supply issues and the participation of the Finnish industry in production.

In the context of combat use, the F-35A was completely satisfied with the Finnish Air Force. Tests and simulations have shown that he fully corresponds to the intended role and is able to solve all the issued tasks. At the same time, the tactical and technical characteristics, the composition of equipment and weapons will ensure effective combat work both immediately after entering service and in the distant future.

It is curious that the F-35A was called the most cost-effective. It differs from other HX participants by the lowest purchase price and operating cost. Calculations showed that the operation of the entire fleet of 64 aircraft would cost less than 254 million euros per year - approx. 4 million euros for each side. The operation of other proposed fighters would be significantly more expensive
64 billion euros will be spent directly on 35 F-4A Block 4,703 fighters - less than 73,5 million apiece.

That's roughly $83 million for an F-35A at the time, competitors costing $140-180 million.

[hagen]

Quote: Victor_B

And why the hell did the Penguins give up?

Actually, they don't need F-35s from the word "completely". But the Czechs will buy them, and without competitions. Because the "senior" commanded. Today, the economy of the EU countries is driven by the United States. The opinion of the European population is of no interest to either the United States, or the EU leadership, or their own national governments. That's the kind of "democracy" they have there.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Hagen

Actually, they don't need F-35s from the word "completely".

Well, let it be!

Quote: Hagen

The opinion of the European population is of no interest to either the United States, or the EU leadership, or their own national governments.

Who would doubt that!

[hagen]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, let it be!

In terms of Lockheed's income....

[Alexander Antonov_2]

Why count money in someone else's pocket?

[km-21]

Quote: Victor_B

And why the hell did the Penguins give up?
For oh...lions of bucks!

Hymers are also not very aesthetically pleasing.
However, the damage to the enemy is much greater,
than tryndezh of some hat throwers.

[Victor_B]

Quote: km-21

Hymers are also not very aesthetically pleasing.

So don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
But the Czechs will pay a penny for Penguins!
Well, to hell with them!

[neworange88]

South Korean politician Shin Won Sik some time ago spoke about the problems that the South Korean Air Force encountered during the operation of F-35 aircraft. He said that 62 cases were recorded when fighters could fly, but were unable to perform certain tasks. Also, 172 episodes were identified when the cars could not take off.

. “Fifth-generation fighter jets were able to perform missions on average for just 12 days last year and 11 days in the first half of this year,” reports an EurAsian Times author. and parts suppliers are in no hurry to fulfill orders. Ashish Dangwal stated that this is not the first claim against American fighters that has become known.
In February 2022, it was revealed that Australian F-35As were spending significantly less time in the air than they should. This sparked a national discussion about the viability of these aircraft in the Australian Air Force.

https://politros.com/23679199-eurasian_times_amerikanskie_f_35_razocharovali_yuzhnuyu_koreyu_ploho_letayut

[Maxim G]

And whose planes should they buy?
If they are in NATO.

Apparently, the owners do not allow them to buy Rafali.
Will fly this...

The Poles are waiting for the F-35 and at the same time they are still going to buy the South Korean FA-50.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: Maxim G

Apparently, the owners do not allow them to buy Rafali.

1.Rafali is not cheaper.
2. Rafal is the last generation, a decade and a half older than the penguin.
3. NATO now simply has no alternative, since there is no and will not be a European 5-generation fighter, and the Air Force needs to be updated.

[Maxim G]

The Rafali is cheaper to operate and outperforms the F-35.

For example, the M-88 allows them to fly with cruising supersonic, unlike the F-35.

And SPECTRA provides them with stealth.

I advise you to read the messages of the participant nks.
Much will become clear with the French fighter.
I double-checked what I could in these messages, for example, about cruising supersonic.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: Maxim G

allows them to fly with cruising supersonic

Speed ​​is good, but does it determine combat effectiveness?

The F35 has the AN/AAQ-37 system, a distributed aperture electro-optical system (DAS), consisting of 6 IR sensors located on the fuselage with a 360-degree field of view. The system allows:

Identify group launches of ballistic missiles at a distance of up to 1300 km, accompany these targets and issue target designation for each of them in automatic mode.
Navigate during day / night flight
Warn of a missile attack by an aircraft and launch an air-to-air missile at a target flying behind the aircraft.
Detect missile launch points, positions of active anti-aircraft artillery and other air and ground targets.
Omnidirectional infrared CCD-TV camera of high resolution AAQ-40, designed for review and target designation. It provides capture and tracking of any ground, surface and air targets in a passive mode. It is able to detect and track targets in automatic mode and at a great distance, as well as report laser irradiation of the aircraft.

The aircraft has an AN / ASQ-239 electronic jamming station (Barracuda)

The pilot has access to a helmet-mounted target designation and indication system, it is possible to control the gaze and turn of the head. The cab has a widescreen touch screen and voice control. The Internet is full of information about a super helmet that will allow the pilot to see both day and night, make the plane transparent for the pilot and give a lot of useful information.

On this point, the aircraft, in my opinion, fully meets the criteria of the 5th generation.

[Maxim G]

And the Rafal also has modern stations on board.
He is quite on the level in this.

[FIR FIR]

We're talking about "analogue with digital upgrades" vs. all-digital. We're talking about the Rafale, built to perform impressive maneuverability with conservative flight patterns, while the F-35 performs some near-impossible maneuvers (for a non-thrust-vectoring airframe) with a next-generation flight control system.

Rafale fans assume the Rafale already has an AESA radar, but comparing both radars is like comparing the first Tesla Roadster to the latest Tesla Model S. Yes, both electric vehicles - but there's not even a comparison.

Don't get me wrong - the Rafale is a strong aircraft. And that's great.

But it's one of the latest and greatest "mostly analog" combat aircraft.

If there's a fight, he compares the Spitfire to the F-18 - if the F-18 flies slow enough for the Spitfire to catch up, maybe he'll have a chance to win...

Same with the F-35 - it's not particularly fast (in fact the Rafale is faster), but the Rafale won't see the F-35 coming. The F-35 will shoot down a Dassault Rafale - before the Rafale pilot even realizes he's in danger.

What can I add, Rafale is good, but he is the previous generation, that says it all.

[Maxim G]

Quote: FIR FIR

Same with the F-35 - it's not particularly fast (in fact the Rafale is faster), but the Rafale won't see the F-35 coming. The F-35 will shoot down a Dassault Rafale - before the Rafale pilot even realizes he's in danger.

In real life, it turned out exactly the opposite.

2018, Syria. F-35 spotted by Russian air defense, "Rafale" is not.
Generations in the documentation for the aircraft are not prescribed ...

[FIR FIR]

The Americans never relied on close maneuvering combat, paying more attention to avionics and weapons - "I saw it before - I was the first to launch the ur and left." There is no doubt that in close combat - the "dump" of the MiG-29 (like the Rafale) will twist the F16 and F35, the Su-27 is better than the F15, and the Su-35 will do the F22, but in close combat.

Quote: Maxim G

F-35 spotted by Russian air defenses

Who would doubt that the capabilities of ground-based air defense radars are much greater than the radar of a fighter.

[rotmistr60]

Someone hangs around the thresholds of American departments wanting to buy the F-35, someone is forbidden to sell them as a punishment, someone expresses their dissatisfaction with this aircraft (they expected more based on advertising). And the result is extremely positive for the US military-industrial complex and in particular for Lockheed Martin. Well, the Czechs probably decided to follow the Polish path - maximum militarization at the expense of American weapons.

[km-21]

Seemingly small steps
The US and NATO are steadily strangling Russia like a boa constrictor.
Sooner or later quantity will turn into quality.
The Americans will have the opportunity to destroy us with impunity.
And after a few hours we will disappear, turn to ashes,
if we can't stop this boa constrictor right now.
At any price!

[hagen]

Quote: km-21

if we can't stop this boa constrictor right now.
At any price!

Are you suggesting to bang?

[Nexcom]

The Czechs want to set the obligatory participation of the country's defense enterprises in the implementation of this order as the main condition for the purchase of American aircraft.

Caps for valves for pumping wheels will be produced? Will the Americans trust them?

[Dikson]

Much more important and happier would be information about the arrival of new aircraft in our Aerospace Forces .. And not one or two .. Otherwise, it’s just right to buy propeller-driven attack aircraft in Argentina and Brazil .. - there’s like “buzzing Bayraktars” and “Geranis” shahid rustle ..

[Nexcom]

American F-35 stealth fighters have disappointed the South Korean military. This information was shared by Indian journalist Ashish Dangwal.

South Korea has faced serious problems in maintaining the F-35 fighters acquired from the United States. According to Ashish Dangwal, Seoul spent $40 billion on acquiring 6,4 of these aircraft, and they were widely touted as an excellent deterrent to North Korean threats. This is reported by the EurAsian Times. PolitRussia presents an exclusive retelling of the article. South Korean politician Shin Won Sik some time ago spoke about the problems that the South Korean Air Force encountered during the operation of F-35 aircraft. He said that 62 cases were recorded when fighters could fly, but were unable to perform certain tasks. Also, 172 episodes were identified when the cars could not take off. Also, representatives of South Korea complain about the difficulties in obtaining spare parts for the F-35, aircraft often break down, and parts suppliers are in no hurry to fulfill orders. Ashish Dangwal stated that this is not the first claim against American fighters that has become known.

In February 2022, it was revealed that Australian F-35As were spending significantly less time in the air than they should. This sparked a national discussion about the viability of these aircraft in the Australian Air Force. In 2021, US Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff Lieutenant General J. Clinton Hinote acknowledged that these aircraft often fail and are impractical to use in many scenarios.

https://politros.com/23679199-eurasian_times_amerikanskie_f_35_razocharovali_yuzhnuyu_koreyu_ploho_letayut

[orionvitt]

There is one question here. During an increasingly deepening global crisis (political, economic and financial), the Czech Republic will at least have money for such expensive toys. Even now, finances are only enough for rent. Something tells me that in the spring, this question will already be forgotten. As they say, "not to fat, to be alive."