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For the first time in several months, attacks were carried out on enemy targets near Kyiv

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For the first time in several months, attacks were carried out on enemy targets near Kyiv

For the first time in the past few months, attacks were carried out on enemy targets in the Kyiv region. It is reported that recently another batch of NATO weapons. The 72nd brigade is stationed in this city, bearing the name "black Zaporozhians".


Earlier, there was information that several hundred Ukrainian soldiers were brought to Bila Tserkva, who were injured during the offensive in the Kharkiv direction. They were placed in a military hospital, which is located in the specified city of the capital region of Ukraine.

The latest reports contain information that at night several Geran-2 strike drones hit enemy targets in Belaya Tserkov, near Kyiv (south of the city). At the official level, data on exactly which objects were hit have not yet been published.

Local residents watched as several loitering ammunition swooped down on objects with a characteristic buzz. As a result of hits, fires broke out at the facilities.

In connection with the strikes on targets in the Kyiv region, the Ukrainian side suggests that "in this way, the Russian troops are probing the reliability of the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kyiv and its environs." At the moment, the air defense of the Ukrainian troops in relation to at least the Geranium-2 turned out to be powerless, even taking into account the fact that these drones give themselves out with a characteristic buzzing sound even on approaching the target.
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  1. Quote Lavrov
    Quote Lavrov 5 October 2022 07: 47
    +41
    Yes, warehouses can and should be destroyed. But after all, they will bring in even more and disperse better. But the centers for making military-political decisions, energy, finance, and infrastructure facilities cannot be dispersed so easily.
    Although ... what am I talking about. For a month now, the same words, questions.
    And such a blow, it's like "a little bit pregnant" - a demonstration of the possibilities without the implementation of the most effective action.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 5 October 2022 07: 58
      -42
      And what is the point of hitting energy, finance, and infrastructure facilities? The fascists of Bandera will not suffer from this, only the civilian population, which they hold hostage, will suffer. Someone by deceit, someone by blackmail. And they don’t hurt themselves climbing to the front line, they drive cannon fodder into battle with pitchforks. These fascists need to be beaten in a completely different way, as it happens in a war in the classical sense of the word. But how exactly they should be beaten, and most likely this is how it is done, this ... It is better not to state here. Do not tell the enemy how to destroy him.
      1. Quote Lavrov
        Quote Lavrov 5 October 2022 08: 04
        +41
        How is it not affected? And the mobile mainline railway transport will stop (and in Ukraine electric locomotives make up the majority), you won’t get enough diesels for everything, like fuel and lubricants on them, and communication will fall (not everyone uses zas or ta57), the largest data centers, if taken out, will fall not only economy, but also production, banks, transport. The destruction of the mass government, gladly, headquarters will definitely not improve command and control, and so on.
        And it’s not Rav’s warehouses that should be taken out in the first place, but fuel and lubricants warehouses - well, history just screams about it - the Wehrmacht after the loss of Ploiesti, the recognition of American admirals after Pearl Harbor.
        And now imagine that all this and much more is being done BEFORE the introduction of the main grouping of ground forces and simultaneously, systematically and continuously ....
        1. Dmitrii
          Dmitrii 5 October 2022 08: 31
          +11
          I agree, therefore, in the current situation, it is necessary to create conditions that will make it impossible for the Armed Forces to attack. As an example, you can work with hydroelectric power stations, create floods. Yes, there are many things you can think of in the current situation. And this is understandable even to me, an amateur.
          1. Luenkov
            Luenkov 10 October 2022 13: 14
            0
            Not an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but a redeployment. Now, in the old positions, they need to be wetted.
        2. Sebostyuan
          Sebostyuan 5 October 2022 08: 41
          +14
          Until a decision is made by the political leadership, none of this will happen. Looking forward to peace talks. My opinion is that they will quickly wait for parity with the enemy in equipping the army and air force and the appearance of nuclear weapons at the adversary.
          1. levfuks
            levfuks 5 October 2022 11: 28
            -10
            Quote from Sebostyuan
            Looking forward to peace talks.

            Apparently that is why it is not necessary to destroy, to anger. We have to agree. Maybe even make a gesture, express concern.
            And yes, what is victory? Why.
            Maybe Pavel is a pacifist? wink
            1. _Evolution_
              _Evolution_ 6 October 2022 01: 07
              +2
              I haven't read more nonsense in a long time. Gesture? Express concern? How? Saving the lives and comforts of the Nazis? Can you take care of the improvement of the bases? It will be a beautiful gesture - to create conditions for the use of their forces against our guys! You are crazy!
              1. levfuks
                levfuks 6 October 2022 18: 39
                0
                My entire post is sarcasm.
                With a "reference" to Pavlik, who methodically rubs the whole crowd.
            2. Former soldier
              Former soldier 6 October 2022 14: 52
              -1
              Every kind gesture and offer of negotiation will be taken as a sign of weakness. And nothing else.
            3. _Evolution_
              _Evolution_ 9 October 2022 01: 05
              0
              Do you have anything to say after the Crimean bridge? It is very interesting to listen to a humanist and a great strategist ...
              1. levfuks
                levfuks 9 October 2022 16: 23
                -2
                Quote: _Evolution_
                It is very interesting to listen to a humanist and a great strategist ...

                I will tell Vovochka and his friend Romka that you are indignant. Perhaps they will let you in on their cunning brilliant plans.
                And the great (sharp) strategist will answer all your questions.
                Something like: "I told you, here she is Nata's Nazi grimace! It's okay, we'll fix it now, we won't be broken."
                And some Khisnyulin with a Vrotynberg will repair the gap with the hands of brothers from Kyrgyzstan.
                wassat
                Z.Y. All characters are fictional. But the story is based on real events.
        3. Pavel73
          Pavel73 5 October 2022 08: 51
          -16
          ...and? Next - what? Meet with flowers? What forces are we going to occupy all this, keep in check, re-educate?

          You have described a classic war of conquest by one state against another. Do you think this case fits?

          Once again: if the terrorists took a thousand spectators hostage in the house of culture, does this mean that it is necessary to turn off the light in it, cut off mobile communications, set fire to the pantry and throw grenades at all entrances, exits and corridors? Who do you think will suffer more as a result of these actions: terrorists or hostages?
          1. Tzar
            Tzar 5 October 2022 09: 13
            +22
            Stop already repeating this downtrodden mantra about peaceful hostages in the hands of the Bandera minority. In the central regions, there are much more sympathizers with the Ukronazis than there are neutral and even more so pro-Russian.
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 5 October 2022 09: 16
              -14
              Therefore, it is necessary to bomb bridges, power plants, train stations, pumping stations, cell towers and power lines? So that they begin to sympathize even more with the Bandera minority and the Ukronazis?
              1. Tzar
                Tzar 5 October 2022 09: 23
                +19
                So the fact of the matter is that these bombings will no longer affect their attitude.
                Some kind of grandmother, God's dandelion, who now knits bandages, socks and sweaters for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and curses the Russian Federation, at least she will not curse in vain)
                Again, you can start bombing not from the central, but from the western part, because it is from there that all weapons are rushing and the percentage of sympathizers with us is negligible.
              2. Procopius Nesterov
                Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 23
                +12
                Disrupting the work of the enemy's rear is a military task, exactly the same.
                Mariupol stormed had to be heavily bombed, otherwise no way.
                And if a person has convictions, he does not change his position.
                1. Pavel73
                  Pavel73 5 October 2022 10: 12
                  +2
                  And we don't need him to change his beliefs. We need him to be convinced of the senselessness of the war against us, and the senselessness of his possible death in this war. And for this, it is necessary to unequivocally identify exactly where the majority of the pro-Russian population has remained and put a state border there. And in the rest of Ukraine, work with anti-fascist agents and the underground.

                  Mariupol is that rare case where the Nazis made a mistake by gathering compactly in one place. That's why the bombings made sense. Now they have learned from bitter experience, and began to actively disperse. Not forgetting to terrorize the Armed Forces of Ukraine, reminding them of their families, and poking them from behind with a pitchfork to drive them into battle.
              3. Just a visitor.
                Just a visitor. 5 October 2022 10: 14
                +6
                The Bendera minority and the Nazis are coming out, this is practically the entire population of Ukraine, they are not hostages at all. Many of them are involved in the murders of the Russian population after the collapse of the USSR. And the apartments were taken away, and thrown out of the windows, and the Russians were slaughtered with rebar in Kyiv, the Pechersk Lavra, and drowned in wells. The people are quickly infected with nationalism, as it was in Germany. You are deeply mistaken considering the "peaceful" population of Ukraine as hostages. I personally know a lot about this from direct witnesses. Yes, I have been there myself. If you do not know the language, there is nothing to do in Ukraine. And if only in Odessa.
                1. KVIRTU
                  KVIRTU 6 October 2022 02: 27
                  0
                  People, remember, just a visitor from TsIPSO))))
                  I will tell me about Kyiv in the early nineties from the training manual)))
                  6 + he noticed, gangbang)))
              4. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 10: 44
                +3
                Therefore, you are carrying utter nonsense, putting out Kyiv with light, there are no hostages, this is already creating problems, and I know for sure that you won’t meet pro-Russian people there with fire during the day. We somehow lived without electricity in Crimea, nothing, did it work out?
                1. KVIRTU
                  KVIRTU 6 October 2022 02: 35
                  0
                  In, another of their employees, 18.01.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX registration)))
                  1. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 7 October 2022 07: 47
                    0
                    Another one, to whom it is time for Goodwin, as well as for the scarecrow. I’ve been hanging here, for those who are on an armored train, since 2013, and I remember Alena very well from Baku during the Karabakh war, and one Jewish Natsik crawled out, though not for long, Yaroshevsky, I know him from another forum, I also remember the dispute about tanks, I suppose you weren’t there then when Shizl butted in, I don’t remember how his variation is here, a passionate admirer of the Abrams.
                    And the date of registration does not bother that it is before the conflict, or is it where you need to turn to, I was right?
                    1. KVIRTU
                      KVIRTU 8 October 2022 01: 28
                      0
                      Sorry and don't be offended.
                      There really was a problem, the admins fixed it. Like.
              5. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 5 October 2022 13: 02
                +4
                Quote: Pavel73
                Therefore, it is necessary to bomb bridges, power plants, train stations, pumping stations, cell towers and power lines? So that they begin to sympathize even more with the Bandera minority and the Ukronazis?

                However, persuasion, enemas and pipettes will not win this war either. It is necessary to beat and demolish the evil government of Kuev. there are no other options.
                1. Pavel73
                  Pavel73 5 October 2022 16: 47
                  +1
                  This is closer to the truth. But it's also not entirely true. Because the evil authorities are also not fools to substitute themselves. They mount Zelensky-type wooden pinocchio on pitchforks and parade it. At the same time, they themselves are in the shadows, and not at all where Zelensky is. This is the main difficulty: to identify their names, surnames, location, places of their gatherings, deployment, weapons depots, and so on. And strike precisely there. And something tells me that's exactly what's going on.
          2. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 5 October 2022 10: 33
            0
            Quote: Pavel73
            Who do you think will suffer more as a result of these actions: terrorists or hostages?

            I think the house of culture will suffer the most.
          3. Hanurik
            Hanurik 5 October 2022 12: 23
            +3
            It is better to be sincerely afraid than to pretend to love.
        4. buravlev
          buravlev 5 October 2022 09: 25
          +10
          Right. I believe that the President of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are making an unforgivable mistake. By refusing to destroy Ukraine's critical infrastructure, our senior leadership is setting up our army, destroying our soldiers (even those who did not have time to enter the battle). The games of politics and toughness are over. The time has come for decisive and very tough action. Attacks on foreign decision-making centers (and infrastructure) have become a must. It's time. We already lost a lot of things, in fact - out of stupidity. This is visible. At the beginning of the NWO, they outplayed us, outplayed Putin - it was also evident. it's time to win.
          1. Shark Lover
            Shark Lover 6 October 2022 05: 56
            0
            President Zelensky dried out 10 people, went to the Russian Federation, a bunch of territories and sits. Write this to him. If you want to command, you had to become a military man and reach the General Staff, make decisions there, take tough decisions, no matter what. Just call Lapin and say by ZASU, kill everyone with rockets, bombs, shmombs))))))) Then call the company captain, I'm getting older, and tell him personally, take two villages, give the ladies a prize)))). Many questions, of course, but look for answers to them in the field, in the trenches, raising a wave here, this is all garbage. I like RT, here are handsome men, a cry for money bags, already one takes 000 families, pay 000 each monthly, while the husband is there, the second 300 families mobilized, the amount is the same. Can you imagine what kind of advertising RT will give them for this? And if he gives advertising for this, then the enemy will not like it, that is, these are our businessmen, good ones))). And you are all about the bad)))) Some calm, what will happen, we'll see.
        5. ban
          ban 5 October 2022 09: 51
          +2
          And if they don’t supply fuel and lubricants! And then there is no need to take out warehouses
      2. Dmitrii
        Dmitrii 5 October 2022 08: 25
        +4
        This is how they always use it, it is more difficult to fight when humanitarian issues need to be resolved.
      3. Sergey Kuzmin
        Sergey Kuzmin 5 October 2022 08: 35
        0
        But how exactly they should be beaten, and most likely it is done, this ...
        “It’s not for you to chop cabbage,” the Geranium buzzed, exploding in the stomach ... closer to the exit of the rectum of the Ukronazi goat ...))) am immediately depriving the ukrokoz of two pleasures with his buzzing: now he doesn’t give a shit about not eating ... stop
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 October 2022 08: 53
        +9
        Quote: Pavel73
        And what is the point of hitting energy, finance, and infrastructure facilities?

        Something is wrong with you if you defend the dill-Nazi regime.
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 5 October 2022 09: 06
          +1
          Nothing like this. I only argue that if the country's infrastructure is destroyed, then the Nazis and terrorists will suffer the least from this. And it is the civilian population that will suffer the most. And it will be very strongly opposed to its liberators. What the Nazis and terrorists needed.
          1. Tzar
            Tzar 5 October 2022 09: 15
            +5
            The population of Sumy, Chernigov, Kyiv and even Kharkov has already shown all their attitude towards the liberators. There is no need to prove anything to anyone.
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 5 October 2022 09: 19
              -2
              That's it! That is why the troops were withdrawn from there almost immediately. Tanks have nothing to do in such places. Absolutely useless.
              1. Procopius Nesterov
                Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 26
                -3
                Then it is possible to destroy the infrastructure there, leave it without electricity?
            2. Procopius Nesterov
              Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 27
              -1
              How did it show? I did not see.
              1. Tzar
                Tzar 5 October 2022 09: 35
                0
                Well, watch the video with the road blocking. Look at the routes of movement of our troops, which bypassed all major cities, because no one was waiting for them with flowers there. And the retreat from these areas became forced, among other things, because of this.
                1. Procopius Nesterov
                  Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 39
                  +4
                  There is a Svidomo asset in any city, just like our Liberota.
                  1. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 10: 55
                    +4
                    Who are you going to hang this noodles on? I have been saying for a long time that Kharkov is not a Russian city, there are most of the waiters, but there are enough banderlogs. especially among the intelligentsia and officials, and if they violate comfort, they will smell in the ass, what do you think? And those and others.
                    Even with Kherson, too, not everything, thank God, and New Kakhovka is full of pro-Ukrainian representatives, but I generally keep quiet about Kyiv, there are half the city of those who have come in large numbers and they are closely connected with the West and Ukrainians.
                    Look at my last name, I probably know something about my people and how they were maimed.
                2. Andobor
                  Andobor 5 October 2022 09: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Tzar
                  See the routes of our troops

                  Look at Kherson, they did the same okroshka at the entrance,
                  half a year, and that's all - the Russian region.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 October 2022 09: 23
            +2
            Quote: Pavel73
            And it will be very strongly opposed to its liberators.

            They will never recognize Russians as liberators, and those territories where Russians and similar Ukrainians live, they are almost all liberated. All settlements that are liberated are simply destroyed by the Nazi regime.
            During the Second World War, our fathers and grandfathers, also when they entered the territory of Germany, took pity on the population, and the Anglo-Saxons simply destroyed their infrastructure, they fought according to the rules of war, and their "star raids" brought the end of the war closer and saved more than one life of Russian soldiers.
            This is how we need to fight now.
          3. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 09: 46
            +3
            Quote: Pavel73
            it is the civilian population that will suffer the most. And it will be very strongly opposed to its liberators.

            It is impossible to disable military infrastructure facilities without hurting the civilian population. There is no negative that this population will be convinced of the inability of the Nazi authorities to protect them.
          4. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 5 October 2022 10: 01
            +4
            it feels like you don’t understand why it is necessary to strike at the rear of the enemy .. and if, for example, WWII partisans didn’t blow up bridges, because it would be inconvenient for people to drive across the river? this is your logic..
          5. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 10: 51
            +1
            They explained to you what it is to deprive of electricity, you were unable to clearly answer. I told you about Kyiv, I have a lot of acquaintances there, and even my own sister and niece, they are all pro-Ukrainian. I don’t want problems for my sister like her husband and niece, but I have enough brains why it is necessary to de-energize Kyiv, why don’t you have enough? Electricity is, for example, the subway, how will people get to work? And the work can be different, for example, to collect something for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, socks there, sweaters, cigarettes, and so on. Have you been to Kyiv? Well, figure out how to get, for example, from Troyeshchyna to Obolon, or from Irpin to Nyvok, Irpin is actually Kyiv.
            Don't you think, Pavel, that the war will become tense under such conditions for the population?
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 7 October 2022 08: 52
              0
              Of course, the war will become tense for the population if you turn off the light, communications and transport. That's just the overwhelming majority of the population, even pro-Ukrainian, is such as a result of deception. There are practically no ideological Nazis there. People are DECEIVED with false ideas! And if we start destroying civilian infrastructure, we will only confirm the "rightness" of those who deceived them.

              Here, by the way, someone else spoke about Dresden. Like, his bombardment by the Anglo-Saxons saved our soldiers - what kind of nonsense? Destroyed residential areas, tens of thousands of dead civilians - what kind of salvation is there? And it turns out that when the Americans burned Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they also "saved" us like that? And why was it impossible to hit the Japanese army and navy with an atomic bomb? Why was it necessary to burn cities with civilians? These are ordinary attacks. To intimidate the whole world, including us, and not at all to win the war. And Dresden - from the same opera. This is not a fight against a military enemy, this is a terrorist attack. And some are desperately trying to convince Russia and its leadership that it cannot be otherwise. In order to plunge us into the same blood in which the entire West is smeared. Take a bite! Don't wait!
              1. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 7 October 2022 09: 27
                0
                No, about saving Dresden by bombing - this is not so, it is rather the hysteria of the Anglo-Saxons for the rapid advance of the Red Army, and just experiments, just Dresden is the most famous action, but far from the only one. The setting of the fiery tornado was checked, it was possible. There, people were sucked into the fire.
                Our method is to save Prague with its architectural monuments. Save Krakow for similar reasons.

                Now about the deceived people, once again, I lived in this state, why I was not deceived, and my peers the Crimeans were deceived, some of whom were blown away to Ukraine?
                Here is a Russian-speaking person, unlike me, he can hardly write an essay in Ukrainian or cannot at all, he understands by ear, but he cannot say it properly, so that it does not call out laughter. He knows that his grandfathers fought against the Nazis, and he begins to zigger, well, zigger is an extreme case. But to yell Muscovites at knives, because many people yelled.
                I understand how the intelligentsia were recruited, not even all of them were bought, and not even the majority, just career growth was indicated, the path for him and they went along it.
                But simple hard workers there too. Well, for example, he crossed paths with a resident of Kherson, worked in the Crimea after joining Russia, admitted that he thought about going to the ATO, he was 50 years old then, this is 8 years ago. He lived most of his life in the USSR, you drove, what difference does it make where you drive? And a seamstress friend has gone to Lvov, only she doesn’t know Westerners. They climb into all the cracks, because they have a village mentality and you have to do like everyone else, for example, go to church, their church. Of course, she returned and her brains were even corrected with the help of a psychologist, she got married and lives in Sevastopol.
                There won’t be enough psychologists for all, and if you turn off the light, then of course the first reaction is that Muscovites will be cursed, but the talking box will close for them, the Internet will fly off, and this is a job for IT people who, for the most part, have come out for Ukraine. This will finally hit NATO-UAF coordination, and this is a purely military task.
                And the people will pour in demands to feed at least the city, to provide water, the mass of Kievites will simply pour out of Kyiv and again put Vinnitsa, Ternopil on the ears, as it was already at the beginning of the NWO, and anti-government demonstrations will begin. They will become very aggravated in the conditions of the approaching winter.
      5. DenVB
        DenVB 5 October 2022 10: 03
        -1
        Quote: Pavel73
        Do not tell the enemy how to destroy him.

        The enemy already knows. He will be lured to Moscow and the city will be set on fire.
      6. .ay bolt 66
        .ay bolt 66 5 October 2022 15: 30
        0
        So let them suffer and ask p ... Zelensky. Through p..linu better income.
      7. Dva parovoza
        Dva parovoza 5 October 2022 16: 34
        0
        Hey, you're my good! How smart are you!
      8. Vladimir100
        Vladimir100 7 October 2022 07: 24
        0
        What other "hostages". These hohlyars are fascists without exception.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 5 October 2022 08: 39
      +11
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      Yes, warehouses can and should be destroyed. But after all, they will bring in even more and disperse better. But the centers for making military-political decisions, energy, finance, and infrastructure facilities cannot be dispersed so easily.
      Although ... what am I talking about. For a month now, the same words, questions.
      And such a blow, it's like "a little bit pregnant" - a demonstration of the possibilities without the implementation of the most effective action.

      Not hit - bad. Hit - still bad.
      A well-known info-reception, even from the positive to make a negative, and preferably the first post.
      So you approve
      For the first time in several months, were strikes against enemy targets near Kyiv?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 October 2022 09: 09
        +1
        Quote: Terenin
        So you approve
        For the first time in several months, were strikes against enemy targets near Kyiv?

        It won't be enough. Ma-lo-wa-that!
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 5 October 2022 09: 28
          +6
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Terenin
          So you approve
          For the first time in several months, were strikes against enemy targets near Kyiv?

          It won't be enough. Ma-lo-wa-that!

          So a hangover is a delicate matter. winked If you feel better, then this is a continuation of the booze ...
      2. User_neydobniu
        User_neydobniu 5 October 2022 09: 10
        -2
        Not hit - bad. Hit - still bad.

        It was the eighth month of the NMD, civilians were mobilized to the front ... But there were no carpet bombings of Ukrainian cities, railway facilities and other things, just like that ...
        Instead of burning the enemy's mobilization reserve, we believe that our people are there ....
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 5 October 2022 09: 26
          -4
          And what about "our people"? By bombing any people, even "not ours", we will turn them into our mortal enemies. There were hundreds of thousands - there will be tens of millions. It is necessary to destroy only those who are stoned and implacable Nazis, here and now. In no case should we allow the death of those who, although "not ours", but are not yet stubborn implacable Nazis. Such people always have a chance to be cured.
          1. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 30
            +9
            The mobilization resource of the enemy, whether he wants or does not want to fight against us, will be forced.
            Therefore, the destruction of the rear is a military task. The more they dump into Europe, the better.
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 5 October 2022 09: 37
              -6
              No. In such a situation, it is necessary to kill not the rear and not even those who are on the front line, but precisely those who force and drive them to slaughter. Yes, they all need to be calculated and identified. And then strike at them. It is very difficult. Inevitably, some of the innocent will also suffer. But only in this way can the Nazis be defeated. This should be treated as excising a cancerous tumor, in which you need to try to minimize damage to healthy cells. If civilian infrastructure is recklessly destroyed, then the number of people sympathizing with the Ukronazis will only grow. And as terrorists, it will perceive not them, but us. That is, there will be a hopeless situation, beneficial only to our enemies.
              1. Procopius Nesterov
                Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 38
                +3
                Nonsense US bombed Dresden and other German cities and nothing.
                1. Pavel73
                  Pavel73 5 October 2022 09: 57
                  -5
                  And we are not the USA. If a bad person does meanness to another person, then by making a response meanness, a good person ceases to differ in any way from a bad one. This is the essence of our struggle today, that our enemy is trying to convince us that it is impossible to live in any other way. That humanity must return to its original wild animal state. Are they bombing us? This means that we must bomb them in the same way, only even more, in order to completely destroy them!

                  This is exactly what our enemies want.
                  1. Procopius Nesterov
                    Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 10: 05
                    +2
                    What makes you think that the United States did badly. The bombing of Dresden saved the lives of many Soviet soldiers because we stormed it.
                    Destroying the rear of the enemy is a military task that saves the lives of soldiers.
                  2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                    DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 10: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Pavel73
                    This is exactly what our enemies want.

                    Our true enemies and the true enemies of our enemies are common. hi
              2. sds87
                sds87 5 October 2022 11: 02
                +4
                In the meantime, we will separate the wheat from the chaff, we will be destroyed indiscriminately. Brilliant! Do you feel sorry for the lives of Russian soldiers at all? In the case not from the General Staff of the Russian Federation? They are now engaged in philanthropy in relation to enemies, to the detriment of their troops.
          2. User_neydobniu
            User_neydobniu 5 October 2022 09: 41
            +4
            And what about "our people"? By bombing any people, even "not ours", we will turn them into our mortal enemies.

            They are already our mortal enemies and wet our citizens, so only carpet bombing and the total destruction of the Ukrainian mobilization resource ... Otherwise, our government will receive mortal enemies from those whom they are now driving to the front
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 5 October 2022 10: 00
              -5
              That is how we reasoned during the first Chechen war, when Grozny was being destroyed. And it ended with our political defeat and the withdrawal of troops. It's only been 25 years. Now the Chechens are fighting for Russia.
              1. User_neydobniu
                User_neydobniu 5 October 2022 10: 14
                +1
                This is how we reasoned in the first Chechen war, when Grozny was being destroyed.

                If they didn’t destroy it now, it would be another state
                But Khasavyurt ended
                our political defeat and withdrawal of troops


                So dear friend do not twist the story
        2. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 09: 59
          +3
          Quote from: User_neydobniu
          Instead of burning the enemy's mobilization reserve, we believe that our people are there ....

          The mob reserve of the enemy in any way is not our mob reserve, therefore, not ours and people.
          But it is also necessary to assess the situation from the class point of view.
          Who is older - understands, who is younger - let them learn with the help of elders.
          The current education system does not teach this.
          Neither in Ukraine, nor here.
      3. Quote Lavrov
        Quote Lavrov 5 October 2022 10: 10
        -1
        1. Do not violate the principle of identity in logic. Conditional example: I tell the boxer - hit with an uppercut in the jaw, and he comes up and lightly hits the opponent's glove. And at the same time you are trying to prove that this is the same blow. No, this is because the action did not achieve the desired effect.
        2. Whether I approve or not is the tenth thing. I do not make decisions about the methods and ways of carrying out the operation. I do not approve of one thing - the non-use of weapons with the maximum effect
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 5 October 2022 08: 46
      +5
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      such a blow, it's like "a little bit pregnant" - a demonstration of opportunities without performing the most effective action


      At the official level, data on exactly which objects were hit have not yet been published.

      What warehouses?
      Already know the targets of the strikes?
      1. Quote Lavrov
        Quote Lavrov 5 October 2022 09: 10
        -1
        Have we already fallen in love with space, undercover, and instrumental, and all other types of intelligence? To supply fuel and lubricants to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, fuel is not delivered in canisters, and it is certainly not stored in a barrel per square kilometer, therefore, given the volume of supplies, is it difficult to determine the location of the warehouse?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 5 October 2022 09: 16
          +4
          Quote: Quote Lavrov
          Have we already fallen in love with space, and undercover, and instrumental, and all other types of intelligence?

          I don't know who you are with.
          These are your words about warehouses.
          They are not in the MO report.

          And it is from the affected warehouses that you build your revealing logic

          Quote: Quote Lavrov
          Yes, warehouses can and should be destroyed. But after all, they will bring in even more and disperse better. But the centers for making military-political decisions, energy, finance, and infrastructure facilities cannot be dispersed so easily

          I came up with it myself - I believed it myself.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 5 October 2022 09: 34
            +6
            Quote: Flood
            Quote: Quote Lavrov
            Have we already fallen in love with space, and undercover, and instrumental, and all other types of intelligence?

            I don't know who you are with.
            These are your words about warehouses.
            They are not in the MO report.

            And it is from the affected warehouses that you build your revealing logic

            Quote: Quote Lavrov
            Yes, warehouses can and should be destroyed. But after all, they will bring in even more and disperse better. But the centers for making military-political decisions, energy, finance, and infrastructure facilities cannot be dispersed so easily

            I came up with it myself - I believed it myself.

            ... he himself was frightened and shouted - guard! belay
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    4. svp67
      svp67 5 October 2022 09: 31
      +5
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      Yes, warehouses can and should be destroyed.

      Only this should be done not EPISODICALLY, but SYSTEMATICALLY. Why did they stop hitting the fuel sector of Ukraine ... again some kind of "agreement"? And Ukraine, having recovered from the fuel crisis, now not only tanks, but cars of ordinary citizens have the opportunity to refuel ...
      Until it is announced who ultimately bears the burden of managing the entire NWO, the people will remain completely ignorant and look for an answer to the question: "Who is to blame?" And now our POLITICAL leadership is guilty in this situation, not military, but political.
      Enough to engage in impromptu, where there have long been proven methods of warfare for centuries.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 10: 30
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Why did they stop hitting the fuel sector of Ukraine ... again some kind of "agreement"?

        The same reason why at one time they stopped destroying columns of oil carriers in Syria.
    5. isv000
      isv000 5 October 2022 09: 46
      +2
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      Although ... what am I talking about. For a month now, the same words, questions.

      You're not the only one here, there are at least two of us...
    6. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 5 October 2022 09: 58
      0
      Although ... what am I talking about. For a month now, the same words, questions.

      Literally this morning Solovyov once again asked Kartapolov (Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee) this question (why not the amount of infrastructure?), who, to put it mildly, evaded answering. According to my feelings, it is time for citizens to ask the authorities - what is happening?
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 10: 37
        0
        Quote: IvanIvanov
        asked Kartapolov (Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense), he, to put it mildly, evaded answering.

        You don't have to soften. Gone 100%.
    7. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 10: 40
      0
      I would point to air defense here, why hasn't it been knocked out?
    8. Eroma
      Eroma 6 October 2022 17: 23
      0
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      Although ... what am I talking about. For a month now, the same words, questions.

      Funds have changed! Are the calibers out? Or is Geranium just cheaper? sad
  2. North Caucasus
    North Caucasus 5 October 2022 07: 49
    +8
    It seems that the fast movement forward is the result of a good kick from behind! Is it all thanks to Kadyrov? Was it not possible before?
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 5 October 2022 10: 01
      +1
      We can talk about changes if it becomes a system. Kharkov strikes did not become a system. There should be hundreds of these strikes/drones.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 10: 06
      +1
      Quote: North Caucasus
      It seems that the fast movement forward is the result of a good kick from behind!

      Is there fast forward movement?
      Where, in what?
      A one-time act is good, but not yet a movement.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 5 October 2022 07: 49
    +15
    Maybe the springs in my sofa are wrong, but I’m VERY not the only such strategist who talks about bridges and railways.
    Or am I dumb or the skis don't work? (With)
    1. Vrotkompot
      Vrotkompot 5 October 2022 07: 53
      +15
      The Hymers mercenaries have not been able to gouge the Antonovsky bridge near the front line for more than a month. How will you bomb hundreds of bridges in the rear? 10 Iskanders per bridge? And what about NATO bases, in case of aggression, what will you demolish?
      I believe that several thousand iskenders and calibers have already been released. And where is the effect?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 October 2022 08: 00
        -6
        Quote from Vrotkompot
        The Hymers mercenaries have not been able to gouge the Antonovsky bridge near the front line for more than a month.
        Gouged...
        Not functioning.
        Quite ...
        Iskander's warheads are pigtons! (With)
        This is more than ATACMS.
        Concerning
        Quote from Vrotkompot
        10 Iskanders per bridge?

        So after all, all the information from Konashenkov begins with the words HIGH-PRECISION WEAPONS!
        Eh?
      2. Saboteur_Navy
        Saboteur_Navy 5 October 2022 08: 02
        +4
        Any bridge and Tonel can be brought down by one warhead that has flown in from outer space, Poplar, which is taken off duty, is a very accurate missile. Yes, and Hummingbird can bring down the Bridge, just enough to hit not on the canvas but on the support
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 5 October 2022 08: 06
          +1
          Quote: Saboteur_Navy
          Any bridge and Tonel can be brought down by one warhead that has flown in from outer space, Poplar, which is taken off duty, is a very accurate missile.
          At Poplar
          Maximum range 12 km
          But the minimum is strongly over 5 km
          Thrown mass only ~ 1 kg
          1. Saboteur_Navy
            Saboteur_Navy 5 October 2022 08: 13
            -2
            Is one tone not enough? Do you have any idea what 1 tone of TNT is? And don’t forget that Topol has all concrete-piercing warheads plus the kinetic impact force from space, in Kamchatka huge funnels from an empty blank
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 5 October 2022 08: 18
              -1
              Quote: Saboteur_Navy
              from space, in Kamchatka from an empty blank there are huge funnels
              Yes, Poplar cannot shoot so close!
              He is not a mortar!
              Accuracy, KVO 150-200 meters
              Pedivicia.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 5 October 2022 08: 04
        +3
        Do not confuse horseradish with a tram handle, you don’t even need to touch the bridges, it’s enough to clog the tunnels through which the railway and cars go. And it takes a long time to restore them.
      4. okunevich_rv
        okunevich_rv 5 October 2022 08: 11
        0
        I have not heard about the defeat of the traction substations of the railway, I have not heard about the defeat of the rear oil storage facilities, maybe they are not visible from the satellite?
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 5 October 2022 08: 48
          -1
          Refineries and large oil storage facilities have long been destroyed, they are now stored in little by little and in different places
      5. Normal
        Normal 5 October 2022 08: 15
        -1
        Several thousand Iskanders?)) It's wonderful though.
      6. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 10: 11
        0
        Quote from Vrotkompot
        How will you bomb hundreds of bridges in the rear?

        Hundreds are not needed, you need to gouge the key ones.
    2. begemot20091
      begemot20091 5 October 2022 07: 57
      0
      I would like to know what it is possible (except for daggers) to hit the bridges, given that the air defense is not completely suppressed.
      1. Saboteur_Navy
        Saboteur_Navy 5 October 2022 08: 16
        +2
        Rocket Poplar with a concrete-piercing head
      2. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 October 2022 08: 17
        0
        And why do you not like Iskander or Caliber with a half-ton head?
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 5 October 2022 09: 43
          +2
          naturally not. And not 500 but 450, and what do they come with a concrete head? Above (post) the comrade proposes, in general, to hit with a "poplar", which he will cut down on the street. Wonderful are your works, Lord. It is necessary to bomb Kab-1500, FAB-3000 ... As a sofa expert, I propose to hit the Kyiv dam so that a cascade failure occurs: Kremenchug, Dnepropetrovsk .... I believe that the older generation taught economic geography.
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 11: 04
            0
            There will be no cascade, but it is necessary to beat them, they will jerk a hell of a lot themselves.
            1. begemot20091
              begemot20091 6 October 2022 07: 24
              0
              I'm amazed at the confidence about the cascade. You are either a dam designer or ... also a couch expert. In all mobplanes (in the KKVO-Kyiv district under the USSR), this point was one of the main ones - a cascade failure of dams after striking and destroying the "upper" The first, it seems, is the Kiev reservoir, then Kanevskoye and ... Everything went ... 4 cubic km of water...
              1. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 7 October 2022 07: 52
                0
                We don’t even have such rivers close to us, and even more so the cat cried on dams, but I remember how I swam in our Salgir, and the older boys rode on the cameras from the KAMAZ, and my mother remembers how they went boating. The same song with shallowing applies to both the Volga and the Don, a friend recently recalled, who is suitable for my father, that his native Vorskla was much more full-flowing, and so the same applies to the Dnieper. And the Aral, if you remember, some 30 years ago, they painted round.
    3. sds87
      sds87 5 October 2022 08: 00
      +19
      It's just that there are agreements at the highest level that suit the elite of the Russian Federation and Ukraine and do not suit our Armed Forces. Apparently, the boiling point tore off the cover of the warriors and, despite the ban, they still struck military targets. Or maybe the elite of the Russian Federation is thus pushing through the adoption of some decision by the Ukrainian side. They won’t tell us the truth, and if it does come up, it will be unbearable to stink of the corpses of soldiers who, due to agreements, could not weaken the enemy by striking at key places when it was still possible.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 October 2022 08: 02
        +5
        Quote: sds87
        It's just that there are agreements at the highest level that suit the elite of the Russian Federation and Ukraine and do not suit our Armed Forces.
        Logic (alas...) leads to exactly this...
        Oh, I don't want to know if this is real...
        1. Sebostyuan
          Sebostyuan 5 October 2022 08: 53
          0
          Beyond logic, there are statements. After the defeat of the Kharkov HPP, the GDP declared. "We showed them a little bit of what we can." There are two options here, either an agreement has already taken place, or the RF Armed Forces are holding back in anticipation of an agreement.
          1. begemot20091
            begemot20091 5 October 2022 09: 44
            +1
            In Kharkov (from the word at all) there has never been a hydroelectric power station. And, even more so, "HES".
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 10: 15
        -1
        Quote: sds87
        It’s just that there are agreements at the highest level that suit the elite of the Russian Federation and Ukraine and do not suit our Armed Forces

        The top of the Ukria recognizes this and almost boasts.
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 5 October 2022 08: 07
      +3
      Our virtues are on top without eggs. Sofas are useless.
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    6. Valnik
      Valnik 5 October 2022 08: 41
      0
      They are springs and springs in Africa. But it's time to change the upholstery to a pixel. And put an armored back so that it will be safe from behind. Ideally a catapult.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 October 2022 08: 43
        -1
        Quote from Valnik
        They are springs and springs in Africa. But it's time to change the upholstery to a pixel. And put an armored back so that it will be safe from behind. Ideally a catapult.
        By the way, this is an idea! good
  4. Uprun
    Uprun 5 October 2022 07: 56
    -4
    If you put your hand on your heart - a hodgepodge, they beat roofing felts in warehouses, roofing felts in hospitals ... Write to write at least something, for show, information "0". Conclusion - they shot .... If the information is secret, there is no reason to write ..... if there is no information - even more so ...
    1. Uprun
      Uprun 5 October 2022 10: 03
      -1
      To the minusers ..... - from the opus, did you understand why ours hit ....? In n.p. they brought weapons, troops were quartered and hospitals were located ...., they shot into the settlement, well, it exploded ..., what for, where .... silence ...., but it exploded ...., after all, the ammunition that arrived on the campaign itself should also explode initially ... I in no way think that the blow was to hospitals .... It follows from the article that in the settlement. it was ...., further down the list, in the end ........... amazed .... WHAT?
  5. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 5 October 2022 07: 57
    +4
    If Geraniums did not fly from Belarus, then their huge range of more than 2 thousand km is documented, which makes this UAV unique, and, importantly, very simple and cheap
  6. marc75
    marc75 5 October 2022 07: 57
    -3
    With such an intensity of strikes, it will take 30 years and several million mopeds
  7. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 5 October 2022 07: 59
    +8
    In my opinion, this "geranium" could be used quite effectively for draft substations. Of course, it’s good to hit the warehouses - but it is necessary that this weapon does not reach at all!
    1. Ablet
      Ablet 5 October 2022 09: 25
      +1
      In general, for all substations, not only for traction, but also for locomotive depots, for diesel locomotives and electric locomotives on the way, for fuel trucks on large highways, etc. etc.
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 October 2022 08: 01
    +11
    Well, here comes the stir. Even today, Putin will approve the documents on the entry of new regions into the Russian Federation and the treatment of Banderva will begin. At least I expect it.
    1. tatra
      tatra 5 October 2022 08: 12
      -16
      Well, yes, yes, "we haven't started yet, but now we'll start." Putin has already used everything except Soviet nuclear weapons.
      And if the hospitals were really hit, then this is considered a war crime.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 5 October 2022 08: 21
        +8
        Do not talk nonsense, even during the war, ours did not hit the fascist hospitals.
        1. tatra
          tatra 5 October 2022 08: 40
          -13
          YOURS, the enemies of the USSR are those who were for the Nazis in the Great Patriotic War.
          And I suggested from what was written in the article that they could hit hospitals. But soon we will find out the truth, and, of course, not from Russian propaganda.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 5 October 2022 10: 39
            +3
            You in Kashchenko should be treated with such concepts. fool
          2. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 11: 11
            0
            Such comments play against the USSR. In general, we are talking about the survival of our country and not sliding into Africa. And Marx and especially Lenin would recognize this as a progressive movement against neo-colonialism. Do not dishonor the USSR with a stupid tirade demonstrating ignorance of the materiel. Marxism completely past the crocodiles?
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 5 October 2022 08: 33
        +6
        Quote: tatra
        it is considered a war crime
        the conclusion is categorical and unambiguous, on its own
        Quote: tatra
        А if and the truth

        winked ... so faith in the Lord is being taken away from us slowly ... (V. Vysotsky)
      3. begemot20091
        begemot20091 6 October 2022 07: 30
        0
        What are you? And the Ukrainians hit hospitals and kindergartens and playgrounds every day and the geyropa is not offended, well done, he says
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 5 October 2022 08: 57
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, here comes the stir. Even today, Putin will approve the documents on the entry of new regions into the Russian Federation and the treatment of Banderva will begin. At least I expect it.

      Do not hope that later you will not be bitterly disappointed again. The top has no will, no desire, no eggs.
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 5 October 2022 09: 58
      -1
      Even today, Putin will approve the documents on the entry of new regions into the Russian Federation and the treatment of Banderva will begin. At least I expect it.


      And you are an optimist.
  9. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 5 October 2022 08: 06
    +3
    Buzzing doesn't matter for vulnerability! But the psychological effect on the enemy is 100 pounds
  10. alexey_444
    alexey_444 5 October 2022 08: 15
    0
    Commentators got sick with strikes on infrastructure and decision-making centers, well, they gouged Yugoslavia and Iraq, in all cases the military both fought and would have fought further if the elites had not surrendered, this will not work with Ukrainians, the decision-making center is overseas, well, kill the general , a colonel will take his place, a prosecutor - a deputy prosecutor, etc. The Americans gouged Dresden, and the factories both worked and produced tanks.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 5 October 2022 08: 43
      +3
      Quote: alexey_444
      Commentators got sick with strikes on infrastructure and decision-making centers, well, they gouged Yugoslavia and Iraq, in all cases the military both fought and would have fought further if the elites had not surrendered, this will not work with Ukrainians, the decision-making center is overseas, well, kill the general , a colonel will take his place, a prosecutor - a deputy prosecutor, etc. The Americans gouged Dresden, and the factories both worked and produced tanks.

      To a certain extent, I agree. yes
    2. tatra
      tatra 5 October 2022 08: 43
      -5
      The Ukrainian enemies of the USSR are learning to fight in a modern war, and the Russian enemies of the USSR think in terms of the strategy of the Chechen war, in which they never won.
      1. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 15
        +5
        People like you were put up against the wall in the Great Patriotic War. Your speeches Vlasov.
    3. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 5 October 2022 08: 57
      +4
      Quote: alexey_444
      this will not work with Ukrainians, the decision-making center is overseas, well, kill the general, a colonel will take his place, a prosecutor - a deputy prosecutor, etc.


      It will work if you eliminate the military-political elite of Ukraine (the president, the office of the president, the National Security and Defense Council, ministers ... the general staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, generals, etc.), then the next elite will be many times more accommodating, because they will die, and not the decision-making center overseas .. and there are very few suicides among the elites.

      And of course, the Ukrainian elite sees this. that there is no punishment for all their actions ... and they do whatever they want. West otmazhet in which case. What are they afraid of?
      1. Drotro
        Drotro 5 October 2022 09: 25
        0
        On the other hand, they just got pissed off. They say they want. They are not afraid of anything.
        It seems that Western patrons have confirmed: everything is fine, nothing threatens you, the Russians are just empty talk and can do nothing.

        Enemies openly declare: we are defeating Russia and will soon return all our territories, then we will achieve the disarmament of Russia and the conviction of all war criminals, including the leadership.

        And the Russian authorities say something incomprehensible in response.

        It is not necessary to physically destroy the entire leadership of Ukraine. But it should feel at least some anxiety, I'm not talking about fear. At least somehow they must be constantly frightened and brought back to earth. In the meantime, they feel like angels in the flesh and fly in the clouds, defeating the evil "I'm a Bandera bastard" and "orcs." Don't they piss our leadership off just like we do? Isn't there a way to put them in their place?

        It seems that the Russian government is doing everything on purpose to appear weak. And in fact, all her actions are the actions of the weak. We continue to follow the picture of developing events.
      2. begemot20091
        begemot20091 5 October 2022 09: 53
        +2
        And what are they, sitting in Kueva? Don't make fun of my slippers. And it is necessary to hit the substations on the railway, in the cities. Electricity is everything, it's movement. Locomotives won't run either. Turnouts (arrows) have long been converted to electric traction. TV towers and repeaters mob. connections. As the father of the revolution wrote: mail, telegraph .... Shebelinka needs to be calibrated - this is gas - not our gas, city military registration and enlistment offices ... There are a lot of things in old textbooks. You need to "learn military science in a real way." Yes, treatment facilities - that's when there will be nowhere to shit, it will reach everyone, which is not necessary winked
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 5 October 2022 10: 02
          0
          Quote: begemot20091
          And what are they, sitting in Kueva? Don't make fun of my slippers.


          And what about Zelensky with the National Security and Defense Council and the General Staff in America? EU/US officials calmly ride to Kyiv and meet with the Ukrainian elites...and ours are afraid to liquidate them, so there is nothing funny about it.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 5 October 2022 10: 20
            0
            I’ll even say more, Zelensky calmly goes to the front line for the sake of PR, a recent example: Raisins and a photo shoot there .... but why? Because he knows that he is completely safe, because. apparently there are some agreements with the elites of Russia, or the cowardice of our leadership, which is afraid to cross the line.

            Now, for comparison, take our president. how long has he been in the Rostov, Belgorod, Kursk regions? Or maybe he will go to new regions of Russia? No, this will not happen. the security service will obviously not allow him to enter the territory where it is dangerous. And then suddenly a projectile arrives ....

            The contrast is very significant.
            1. begemot20091
              begemot20091 6 October 2022 07: 27
              0
              And how long does it take to get from Kuev to Poland or Lvov? 400 km - 1,5 hours by helicopter
          2. alexey_444
            alexey_444 5 October 2022 15: 11
            0
            And when the metro explodes, what will we do, politics is not built on emotions, if the gas pipeline was blown up, then Russian people in the cities are even more so, I’m ready to die in a nuclear war, but most are not
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 5 October 2022 15: 28
              0
              Quote: alexey_444
              And when the metro explodes, what will we do, politics is not built on emotions, if the gas pipeline was blown up, then Russian people in the cities are even more so, I’m ready to die in a nuclear war, but most are not


              So even now nothing prevents them from arranging explosions / terrorist attacks in Russia, just being afraid of a response in the West that we will begin to act by the same methods, and if nuclear weapons are used, then the game may not be worth the candle ... Western elites will not take such radical steps. To "they go to hell, we go to heaven" (c)

              And according to the Ukrainian elites, Zelensky and his team have already begun terrorist acts, although not on such a large scale and for individual targets, but still ... there is no go-ahead for large ones yet ....

              But in any case, in the game according to Western rules, we will not be winners, if we liquidated the Ukrainian elite, the West would have to put up with it, and it would be possible to agree on something with the new authorities, and so many Slavic lives will be laid ...
      3. alexey_444
        alexey_444 5 October 2022 15: 06
        0
        The situation is a little different, any person in power is a thief, but if they are against Russia, they don’t touch him, and if they are for, Bendera’s people are guaranteed to be killed, and missiles are not 100% death
    4. AIK05
      AIK05 5 October 2022 08: 58
      +5
      What other reputation, when our guys die, then the reputation is the last thing, he buried his nephew, many Russians also buried their sons, fathers, and we think about reputation in third countries.
    5. Sebostyuan
      Sebostyuan 5 October 2022 08: 59
      +2
      If you are so concerned about the reputation in third countries. Here is the best option. GDP call Zelensky, on a duel with swords.
    6. Olezhek
      Olezhek 5 October 2022 09: 56
      0
      .blow up the bridge, go around


      Bridges Karl, across the Dnieper ... will bypass Karl ...

      wassat
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 5 October 2022 15: 07
        0
        On boats, ferries, study the materiel experience of the Second World War and the Ho She Minh trails
    7. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 11: 18
      0
      And ignoramuses, for example, who don’t know that the loss of time is one of the key factors in the war, are bugging me. The Germans generally solved the problem of the rail war quickly, but a large number of minor repairs affected the time. and this not only concerns the delivery of reserves of fuel and lubricants and ammunition, but also armored vehicles abandoned near Kursk, which theoretically could be repaired. And the game is in frames, I generally keep quiet, it’s necessary to blurt out such a thing. I just advise you to read Rokossovsky about Lizyukov, do you remember the cartoon about the kitten from this street? So he, Lizyukov, did not pull the brigade.
      1. alexey_444
        alexey_444 5 October 2022 20: 23
        0
        If there was a Brusilovsky breakthrough, time would matter, but not so much in a positional war. With the saturation of the anti-tank systems, there will be no tank throws; Israel has experience in the rapid loss of hundreds of tanks from babies. And the Germans had a problem not in the rails, but the fact that they had to repair the panther in Germany, and our tank in the neighboring village.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 20: 36
          0
          It has in any war, for example, we have logistics, if we took a big step across the Dnieper, it would be more difficult, but it’s more difficult for the enemy, and ammunition not delivered on time, these are losses, medicines, these are dead wounded who could be saved.
          1. alexey_444
            alexey_444 6 October 2022 09: 26
            0
            Yes, no one argues about time, the question of price, how can we destroy these bridges at least, we can’t bomb them, they will shoot down carriers, cruise missiles are not very effective, an example with the Odessa bridge, and the Antonov bridge, how many himars were fired, I agree that they need to be created strained, but nothing.
  11. Cuckoo
    Cuckoo 5 October 2022 08: 20
    +3
    At the moment, the air defense of the Ukrainian troops in relation to at least Geranium-2 turned out to be powerless, even taking into account the fact that these drones give out a characteristic buzzing sound still on the way to the target.

    It turns out that effective does not have to be expensive and nanotechnological.
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 5 October 2022 08: 30
      -5
      Quote: Check
      It turns out that effective does not have to be expensive and nanotechnological.

      that's right, and our Defense Ministry needs huge contracts ... there are more kickbacks from them
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 5 October 2022 08: 45
        +3
        Quote: Dedok
        our MO needs huge contracts ...
        This is the normal work of the corresponding rear services of any department.

        Quote: Dedok
        there are more kickbacks from them
        And, this is the result of the abnormal work of certain structures of law enforcement agencies.
        1. Dedok
          Dedok 5 October 2022 09: 46
          0
          Quote: Terenin
          This is the normal work of the corresponding rear services of any department.

          this is not normal: one is produced in huge quantities / or for a lot of money, and the other ... is not produced at all - the budget is over
          And what's in the "dry residue"?
          if the topic is "geranium" - then compare the cost of it and Iskander, Onyx, Caliber, etc.
          Why am I comparing - this is OUR budget and its effectiveness with you, and not "Arbat"
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 5 October 2022 16: 22
            -1
            Quote: Dedok
            "geranium" - then compare the cost of it and Iskander, Onyx, Caliber, etc.

            How are you feeling?
            Doesn't it bother you that there are MANPADS and S-400s? And do they have different costs, with a seemingly similar task of destroying air targets? S-400 under the knife, will we saturate the MANPADS troops?
  12. St54
    St54 5 October 2022 08: 23
    -4
    They flew, buzzed, but it seemed like everything else.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 5 October 2022 08: 47
      +4
      Quote: St54
      They flew, buzzed, but it seemed like everything else.

      Do you think someone did not understand which ear is buzzing? laughing
  13. Alex 2019
    Alex 2019 5 October 2022 08: 25
    -8
    Geraniums for Ukrainians are flowers, it's time to jam this bastard with Poplars. Western Satanists have put a big bolt with a device on our entire military-political leadership, and our president continues to flirt with them. You just need to understand that such softness and flirting is on the blood of our military, but this is exactly what the people do not understand and will not understand. A reasonable question that sounds more and more often: "Where is our army of a million?" Who, if not the commander-in-chief, should answer this question. It is useless to ask the MO about this, they, like the whole society, are in manual control and are not responsible for anything. If all the conscripts serve their entire service life in the barracks during a difficult time for the country, then one wonders why we need such an army, for which greenhouse conditions have been created, but it does not fight. You must be able to correct your mistakes in time, otherwise their price over time becomes disproportionately large. Who is stopping you from sending trained soldiers to the NVO zone who have served half a year and received the necessary skills. Is it really better to mobilize 40-year-old men who have families, a break from production and who also need to be trained so that they restore their lost skills. In a word, no one wants to look at the root of the problem, there are no brave and honest people in the Moscow Region who can object to the president when he is wrong.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 5 October 2022 08: 53
      -1
      send the 19th conscript? or a trained mobile that has many years of military service behind it? the army that is needed there is only 340 thousand and not a million
      1. 76SSSR
        76SSSR 5 October 2022 09: 39
        +2
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        send the 19th conscript? or a trained mobile that has many years of military service behind it? the army that is needed there is only 340 thousand and not a million

        Prepared, as you put it, "mobiles"? Well, well ... Just a million is needed there, at least if we want to go on the offensive from defense and carry out the announced tasks of the NWO. There, under a million ukrov, the local military commissars have already collected from the bottom of the barrel.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 5 October 2022 09: 53
          -1
          300 thousand will be digested by military enlistment offices and training centers, there will be another wave
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 5 October 2022 11: 37
          -1
          not all of course mobiles, many former contact soldiers were called
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 5 October 2022 11: 27
        0

        This is the painting "The Battle at Saltanovka", General Raevsky is at the forefront, behind him are his two sons, it is clear that they ran a little wrong, but there one boy is 17 years old, and the second is 15.
        What is the problem with attracting 19-year-olds, drinking vodka and fucking women?
  14. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 5 October 2022 08: 28
    +4
    These missile hits no longer work. Russian public opinion, seeing a large number of comments and articles, demands a systematic attack on the entire territory of Ukraine, including the western zone of industrial facilities, infrastructure, tunnels, bridges, etc., in short, a scenario similar to that experienced by Yugoslavia when it was bombed NATO. Yugoslavia had to surrender, seeing that its economy was completely destroyed. Not to do this in the current conditions is treason, a betrayal of the Russian people. The oligarchs may have business in Ukraine, but the blood spilled by the soldiers will demand justice.
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 5 October 2022 08: 39
      -2
      What justice? Our rulers care more about the enemy. Fraternal type of people, but you can not take care of your own.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 5 October 2022 08: 48
        +4
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        Our rulers care more about the enemy.

        There is a feeling. yes
    2. suhorukofal
      suhorukofal 5 October 2022 09: 25
      +2
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      Yugoslavia had to surrender after seeing its economy completely destroyed

      Yugoslavia single-handedly opposed the coalition of states, but here almost the entire defense industry of the NATO countries works for Ukraine, or rather for it, as on the battlefield between Russia and NATO, no matter what the economy of Ukraine is, as long as it is needed as anti-Russia, it and its economy will not die they will give it, they pumped it up for 8 years in order to use it to its fullest.
  15. Architect
    Architect 5 October 2022 08: 30
    -3
    Well, why was the BC bombed?
    Warehouses with weapons or wounded Nazis?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 5 October 2022 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: Architect
      Well, why was the BC bombed?
      Warehouses with weapons or wounded Nazis?

      Actually, in B.Ts. three military units, and earlier on VO it was mentioned that one of the Control and Training Centers for foreign mercenaries was located there. There is where to turn around. Another thing is interesting, where did they hit from.
      1. Cuckoo
        Cuckoo 5 October 2022 08: 50
        -1
        Another thing is interesting, where did they hit from.

        From Belarus, of course. Not?
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 5 October 2022 08: 54
      +2
      after hit, the Nazis do not explode like that))))))
  16. Anyuta Glorious
    Anyuta Glorious 5 October 2022 08: 30
    +3
    Deliver because there is someone to deliver! It is necessary to destroy the Fuhrers, one by one! Why did they run into Zelensky? With the last lieutenant, we will sign the surrender. The police operation failed. We realized this already in March.
  17. Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin 5 October 2022 08: 33
    -2
    “It’s not for you to chop cabbage,” the Geranium buzzed, exploding in the stomach of the Ukronazi goat ...))) am
  18. BAI
    BAI 5 October 2022 08: 35
    +3
    Yesterday, with reference to the General Staff, Solovyov voiced information - there are only 400 objects in Ukraine that need to be destroyed in order to drive it into the Stone Age. But there is no command to destroy. And for some command posts of battalions, with 3-4 casualties, there is a team.
    1. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 5 October 2022 09: 18
      +2
      There are about 38 thermal power plants there, they provide 70 percent of the electricity. Life without electricity will disrupt the home front instantly.
      Although the question is whether it is easy to destroy TPPs, I have not studied.
      1. begemot20091
        begemot20091 5 October 2022 09: 57
        +2
        Pretty easy: the turbine hall, as a rule, is not covered with a concrete sarcophagus. In your city, look at the huge windows.
      2. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 5 October 2022 10: 08
        +2
        Easily. It is enough to smash open switchgear and machine rooms. And then a torch to the rescue.
  19. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 5 October 2022 08: 37
    -2
    In general, a dozen "Calibers" are asking for it!
  20. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 5 October 2022 08: 37
    -1
    Really started or again dust in the eyes? It hasn't even been half a year... Our General Staff officers and politicians will give the Estonians a hundred points ahead in terms of agility.
  21. gafovec
    gafovec 5 October 2022 08: 50
    +1
    Again a one-time action for a beautiful picture and report?
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 5 October 2022 08: 54
      +2
      One-time. Imitation of violent activity.
      1. Drotro
        Drotro 5 October 2022 09: 48
        +1
        And not very large. It has no effect on public opinion either. Objectively - it's good that at least they hit something.
        Only something significant that has caused at least some tangible damage will affect the positive in society. And one-time strikes are not clear what goal they achieve.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 5 October 2022 10: 04
          0
          Quote from Drotro
          And not very large. It has no effect on public opinion either.

          How to say...From B.Ts. to Kyiv about 100 km. Maybe this is a "hint" to Kyiv after Zelya's statement that there will be no negotiations.
          1. Russian jacket
            Russian jacket 5 October 2022 10: 13
            0
            Is not a fact. Zelya has been calm lately. And ours have already gone to shit, squealing about negotiations. And then a natural question arises. Who got burned more? And for this we must thank the vertical for not giving up its own, even after jambs such as the head of logistics being transferred to another job, in the absence of equipment for the mobilized. Such people are needed in the rear.
            1. ViktorX
              ViktorX 5 October 2022 10: 24
              +2
              Quote: Russian quilted jacket
              Zelya has been calm lately.

              This is not an indicator.
              On February 23, he was also calm...
          2. Drotro
            Drotro 5 October 2022 10: 20
            +2
            Despite how many times we have already been lied to and trampled into the mud our hopes and aspirations, we still remain a little naive in the depths of our souls. I'm a tough skeptic, but I haven't lost all my illusions yet.
            I have a feeling that there is at least a 5% chance of some positive shift in the operation. Maybe at least the white gloves will be removed in the end, or the game of the good liberator will continue.
            Honestly, I don't believe in anything. And nothing will surprise me. Time teaches us to stop being surprised. But I think that there is a negligible chance of some kind of change. Referendums were held. They had some purpose.
  22. isv000
    isv000 5 October 2022 09: 45
    +1
    At the moment, the air defense of the Ukrainian troops in relation to at least the Geranium-2 turned out to be powerless, even taking into account the fact that these drones give themselves out with a characteristic buzzing sound even on approaching the target.

    This is w-w-w-w - not casually!
  23. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 5 October 2022 10: 57
    +1
    Well, the jingoists have already spoken out, now we can seriously discuss what happened.
    If we evaluate in terms of combat effectiveness, then nothing more than a mosquito bite. The weight of the warhead for the used ammunition is no more than 50 kg, this is not even a weaving bomb. And in order to achieve a more or less sane effect, you need a one-time application on an object of hundreds of pieces and more, which was not observed.
    But the psychological effect against the local population turned out to be notable.
    I will immediately answer the question - do I protect the local population?
    Yes, I'm defending. For, unlike the jingoists, who have the same brainwashed as the Newbanders, I always wonder - what's next? What do we want in the end?
    However, little depends on our wishes. After getting involved in the war, there is only one option, the inclusion of all of Ukraine into the Russian Federation. Options with no man's land, where everything is in the Stone Age, will not work, because in any case we will get a hostile state at hand, that is, we will return to where we started.
    Although what am I talking about? Yes, as soon as we bomb Ukraine into the Stone Age, the United States will be the first to demand that the former Ukraine be included in the Russian Federation as one of the conditions for normalizing relations with the West. Hanging on the already weakened economy the burden of restoring the destroyed infrastructure on a vast territory. At the same time, the post-war restoration of the USSR against this background will seem like a paradise. After all, there will be no reparations from the West, just like the enthusiasm of the population after the victory. It will be angry, dissatisfied, because the facts of sabotage and sabotage will be massive.
    (The only ones who will benefit are our officials, such a situation is just a paradise for them to steal.)
    And now, will Russia pull it all out, will it not overstrain with its capitalist economy?
    But this is only one of the options, the United States would not be the United States if it had not worked out several scenarios at once.
    If we resort to comparisons, then Ukraine is a shket from the retinue of a hooligan, that is, the United States. And this hooligan sends his shket to bully another kid, and he himself watches what will come of it. At the same time, the hooligan does not feel sorry for the shket. They'll beat you, and that's fine, they'll find another. He sent one, Georgia. It is important for a bully to see how that other kid fights and, most importantly, whether he has enough will to win.
    And if the new boy, unlike the first one, will hold on in a fight, because the kid fights with restrictions, to the first blood, then the bully will also help the boy, who fights just to the death, he will throw brass knuckles there, a baton, while formally remaining outside fights. And if this other kid does not understand that it is impossible to “play by the rules” against someone who acts without rules, then he will be beaten, or even killed by a shket, with the tacit support of a bully.
    So that's where I lead all these allegories? We are cracking from all the stands that we are at war not only with Ukraine, but with the whole of NATO.
    Okay, I agree, but if this is the case, then let's fight like an adult, without any restrictions, like in fights of elementary grades, to first blood, and so on.
    Namely, to mobilize capital, the economy and transfer it to the production of military products.
    And those very attacks on infrastructure should not be carried out in Ukraine, that is, our occupied territory, but in neighboring states.
    For this, he clearly indicated his position that the supply of weapons to the Ukrainian junta is an act of aggression against the Russian Federation.
    And do not try to accuse me of calling for a world war. She's already on her way.
    That's right, if NATO shells fall on Russia, from which not only soldiers and civilians die, then the world war has begun. And roll your eyes in horror - what if nuclear strikes? - too late. Yes, and we should not be afraid of them, but well-fed, snickering America. Therefore, if we want to win, the only way is to raise the stakes. I hope that the political will for this will appear, albeit belatedly.
  24. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 5 October 2022 11: 00
    +1
    It's time to abandon the demonstration strikes. You will not surprise the Ukrainian elite with this. Massive, planned, systematic strikes are needed. And we need to consult with experts who will tell you which factories and other facilities built in the Soviet era are actually functioning, and which ones have either been redesigned, or only buildings have long been left of them.
  25. waleri777
    waleri777 5 October 2022 11: 48
    +1
    I remembered the story about Sholokhov and Stalin.
    Modern version: They ask Putin: "What is going on at the fronts in general?"
    Putin: "I have no other generals for you"
  26. ISKANDER_61
    ISKANDER_61 5 October 2022 13: 44
    -1
    Well, thank you for making the shaigu happy. We all bow down to you.
  27. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 6 October 2022 08: 32
    -1
    Lord! They ruined the unfortunate barracks, and screams, as if they covered the bunker with the command. The infrastructure is still intact, there is no fuel shortage, there is no shortage of shells .. Yes, there is no shortage of forelocks in anything. Ugh ..
  28. the same doctor
    the same doctor 6 October 2022 21: 01
    0
    Troops are destroyed in war. Why are there few strikes on the barracks?