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Kherson Front: In two sectors, the Russian army has a difficult choice - to counterattack to stop the enemy or retreat to new positions

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Kherson Front: In two sectors, the Russian army has a difficult choice - to counterattack to stop the enemy or retreat to new positions

In the Kherson direction, a difficult situation has developed in the area of ​​​​Davydov Brod and Dudchan. In the morning, information was received that the Armed Forces of Ukraine increased the pressure and tried to break through to the settlement. Davydov Brod by a mechanized brigade of three tanks and about 20 armored vehicles. The attack seems to have been successfully repulsed by the Russian paratroopers defending the village, the enemy retreated, having suffered significant losses.


Later, information appeared that Davydov Brod was still abandoned by our military. Local residents publish video footage, in which, allegedly, the UAF militants move freely around the village. Ukrainian public reports about the capture of Novopetrivka, Staroselye, Malaya and Velika Aleksandrovka and Davydov Brod.

Information about the withdrawal of our troops from these n. p. confirms the TG channel "Rybar". It is assumed that the new line of defense of the RF Armed Forces will pass at the Kostromka-Borozenskoye line.

The telegram channel “Come and See” talks about the tense situation in the Dudchan area in the Berislav direction. Here, our military blew up the dam, which made it difficult for the enemy troops to advance. But the northern part of the village is under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, our artillery is actively working on them.

The tactical task of the Ukrainian command in these areas is to unite forces in the so-called "Andreevskaya gut" in order to further develop success and advance towards Novaya Kakhovka. The strategic task is to bypass Kherson and cut off the RF Armed Forces from supplies.

In turn, the Russian army in this area has two options for the development of the situation: either to counterattack in order to dislodge the enemy from the occupied territory, or to retreat to prepared (if, of course, those were prepared) positions. Otherwise, with the development of offensive success by the Ukrainians, our military may be surrounded.

Judging by reports about the abandonment of Davydov Brod and other settlements, the Russian command decided to regroup and defend on new lines. At the same time, in the absence of active offensive actions on the part of the RF Armed Forces, the enemy can continue pressure in order to develop success. In addition, the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the coast of the Dnieper River is an immediate danger to the Russian contingent on the left bank of the river.


Meanwhile, allegations of explosions in Kherson are being published online. There is no official confirmation of this information yet. At the same time, data on the destruction of Ukrainian saboteurs in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe settlement of Aleshki near Kherson were confirmed.
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  1. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 4 October 2022 16: 27
    +96
    There is a third option: to pretend that nothing is happening. Did it roll for half a year?
    1. Nickelium
      Nickelium 4 October 2022 16: 29
      +70
      There is a fourth option - to create a battalion "Vanguard" from parquet generals and move them as a penal battalion to the enemy.
      1. Plate
        Plate 4 October 2022 18: 55
        +14
        And there is a fifth - burn everyone to hell! I remember seeing the statement that a volley of the Smerch MLRS battery is capable of stopping the advance of a motorized rifle division. Does the RF Armed Forces have few means of remote mass destruction of the enemy?
        1. smershxnumx
          smershxnumx 4 October 2022 19: 19
          +7
          And there is a sixth option: to collect all the couch experts - and to the front - to stop the advancing enemy ... Carcasses ... Otherwise, sitting as a fifth point by a warm battery, strategic tasks are easily visible and the team's troops relay, to whom-where-something-whom to do .... hi
          1. Plate
            Plate 4 October 2022 19: 23
            +8
            Heh, you got me great. But in general I agree. There was a quarantine, the whole country was solid epidemiologists and immunologists. Now all military experts and generals. And yes, I am one of them, too.
          2. DrMadfisher_2
            DrMadfisher_2 4 October 2022 23: 14
            +1
            So come on, let's go! Apparently you are not writing from the trenches.
          3. Planem
            Planem 5 October 2022 00: 15
            +5
            And there is a seventh option: to collect all the regime's clackers and send them to the front line. They very briskly and cheerfully justify any defeats and retreats of the armed formations of Russia and the actions of the military-political leadership of Russia. Their courage, playfulness and self-confidence would be very useful at the front. Or are they not patriots?
            1. fiv
              fiv 6 October 2022 08: 51
              0
              I got it once for soup - and I already don’t like the regime, do I have to drown now for the opposite side? And tomorrow everything will turn in the opposite direction - and will the regime be normal? Look, do not erase your legs, run back and forth. Or are you a participant in the assault on Upper Lars?
      2. Veter5757
        Veter5757 4 October 2022 23: 48
        +2
        Land by parachute method on Mount Hoverla, a cult for Ukrainians, in the Carpathians, with the task of taking up all-round defense and holding out until the main forces approach.
      3. Andrey1978
        Andrey1978 6 October 2022 05: 12
        -1
        More of their kids and nephews to the heap, to pull out of nightclubs and warm chairs and to help their fathers commanders. I think the result will be like that of rats in a jar, they will gnaw each other out ... without reaching the tasks set.
    2. RaccoonSnake
      RaccoonSnake 4 October 2022 16: 30
      +31
      Special operation going according to plan @ Haven't you heard?
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 5 October 2022 06: 25
        +3
        Quote: Raccoon
        Special operation going according to plan

        Quote: Raccoon
        Looking at the constant howls of the Russian side about "readiness for negotiations," the situation is simply catastrophic.

        Here is a question for everyone .. to be honest as in Spirit ..
        Who could have guessed two "impossible" things 8 months ago?
        1) Our armed forces .. do not match the picture that we were sure of .. 8 months ago.
        2) The so-called. "dill" and APU turned out to be .. um .. a hundred .. or even a thousand times more serious than they were portrayed.
        -----------
        I will answer for myself.. sad Expect serious resistance. but similar ! .. and could not imagine.
        1. AVESSALOM
          AVESSALOM 5 October 2022 17: 38
          0
          Similarly. I assumed that there might be some inconsistencies, but in order to completely obscure ..
    3. bandabas
      bandabas 4 October 2022 16: 34
      +10
      They will also come up with a fourth option. We have a lot of talking heads. And all unsinkable.
    4. g_ae
      g_ae 4 October 2022 16: 36
      +11
      Like in the movie "Ordinary Miracle". "Be patient, dear. Maybe everything will work out!"
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 4 October 2022 16: 55
        +3
        They don't fight in camisoles with a high waist today. Until the auction is held, contracts will be concluded with all visas. Certificates will be checked for lighting lamps in the workshops, then uniforms will be sewn and you can fight.
        And what are the marshals' awards and who has the right to present them?
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 4 October 2022 17: 19
          +7
          The marshals have already received their awards, now it's time to work them out in practice, better on the front line with an AK-12 in hand and in the form of an ensign ....
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 4 October 2022 16: 48
      +6
      And where to "retreat, so as not to write directly, will they scamper? To Khabarovsk?
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 4 October 2022 16: 56
        +4
        Lure the Kolymas into the camps.
        ...
        ...
        .... Everything is there for life
    6. opuonmed
      opuonmed 4 October 2022 17: 02
      +13
      and maybe arrange for ukrrrr masked blows? in cities, in the SBU building and in others, in power buildings, in the rear, in infrastructure, otherwise we, as masochists, are leading! it just kills me ukrrr everything goes everything is thrown everything accumulates in shock fists and so on and so forth! even in World War II, they understood that it was necessary to destroy the rear of the enemy! otherwise we’ll really fall to the point that we won’t be able to do anything without nuclear weapons
      1. al3x
        al3x 4 October 2022 20: 00
        +7
        One gets the impression that the situation is just the same deliberately brought to the point that they allegedly had to uncover a vigorous loaf. Information about nuclear strikes is pouring into the ears of listeners from everywhere. Overton window in action.
    7. ARIONkrsk
      ARIONkrsk 4 October 2022 17: 05
      +12
      Quote: Roma-1977
      There is a third option: to pretend that nothing is happening. Did it roll for half a year?

      There is another option: to ban journalists and listen only to the lieutenant general ...
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 5 October 2022 12: 26
        -1
        He does not lie, one truth - mother pours out day and night.
    8. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 4 October 2022 17: 25
      +19
      Quote: Roma-1977
      There is a third option: to pretend that nothing is happening. Did it roll for half a year?

      And there is a fourth or even fifth option - and the most correct one! Defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine in tank biathlon and build the largest temple somewhere in Kherson in honor of this ...
      PS You need to build faster, while Kherson is still ours ...
      1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 4 October 2022 20: 22
        +5
        Temples are a necessary thing, but Tsar Peter the Great poured bells on cannons ...
    9. bulgaria_
      bulgaria_ 4 October 2022 17: 45
      0
      And who will "Work brothers"???????
    10. Lom_l
      Lom_l 4 October 2022 20: 22
      -2
      Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side ...
    11. iouris
      iouris 4 October 2022 21: 22
      0
      Quote: Roma-1977
      There is also a third option:

      This is the fourth option.
      And here is a list of possible options so far.
      Quote: "The enemy is retreating - we are advancing. The enemy is standing - we are disturbing him. The enemy is advancing - we are retreating" End of quote.
  2. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 4 October 2022 16: 27
    +17
    The country is big, but there is nowhere to retreat! What were the generals thinking....if they thought.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 4 October 2022 16: 29
      +15
      Why should they think? They are generals.
      They are in command. Aine column march. Zweine column march.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 October 2022 16: 30
      +51
      Quote: Sergio_7
      The country is big, but there is nowhere to retreat!

      And there is no one to fight. You can't send conscripts into battle - there is no war. And with contract soldiers it turned out like in a bearded joke: The salary is good, the team is excellent, the social package, the schedule is convenient, but like a fire - so at least quit! ©
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 4 October 2022 16: 44
        +24
        And there is no one to fight.

        How so?
        And where are the fiery Internet fighters against ukrofascism? Shouldn't they be encouraged by the opportunity to stop the genocide and eliminate the existential threat of Russia?
        Are they all like one Hansales? Have age, hemorrhoids, prostatitis and excess weight beaten the best of the best?
        1. N3onMiami
          N3onMiami 4 October 2022 16: 51
          +11
          "Where are the fiery Internet fighters against ukrofascism?"

          As where?
          They removed the letters Z and V from their buckets and brought them down to Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan. It’s easy to fight the Ukrainians and all of NATO on the couch, but as the beckoning world begins to crumble, as soon as the non-illusory opportunity begins to loom to go “beat ho xlov” yourself, so excuse me, my hut is on the edge.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 17: 06
            -9
            Quote from N3onMiami
            They removed the letters Z and V from their buckets and brought them down to Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan. On the

            You are probably already there ... judge for yourself.
            For example, I didn’t run anywhere and I will fight on the Internet with accomplices of the Ukronazis while I’m alive.
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 4 October 2022 17: 15
              +12
              For example, I didn’t run anywhere and I will fight on the Internet with accomplices of the Ukronazis while I’m alive.

              So we will win!

              You are guaranteed a medal for "Network Courage" and an order for "Internet Courage"
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 17: 17
                -10
                And I would boldly award you a medal for cowardice and alarmism. smile
                Although I think the Ukronatsiks will give you a jar of jam for your work at VO.
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 4 October 2022 17: 18
              +11
              accomplices of the ukronazis
              The main thing is to correctly understand who is the accomplice of the Ukronazis. It seems those who cannot organize defense
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 17: 31
                -1
                Quote: Gardamir
                accomplices of the ukronazis
                The main thing is to correctly understand who is the accomplice of the Ukronazis. It seems those who cannot organize defense

                Well, for me it's not a question... if they can't organize defense, then they are not competent or they do not have the resources for this organization.
                You can tell me in numbers about the state of our resources and the capabilities of the defense organizers. hi
                For me, for example, this data is hidden and I cannot say with certainty that those who cannot organize the defense are accomplices of the Ukronazis.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 4 October 2022 18: 14
                  +20
                  in numbers
                  I'll try without numbers. Here on the site, back in February-March, they giggled at drones. And suddenly they are ripe. Most likely, the General Staff did not even think about drones.
                  And let's go over the special operation. The special operation was carried out for only a month. But since the end of February, Russia began to insist on peace talks. Then the troops stopped and gave time to prepare. Now the enemy "thanks" us for the opportunity.
                  Speaking of the resources and capabilities of the generals. We are still being treated with a couple of rockets at Odessa, while it is necessary to shoot at closer targets. During the battles for the Krasny Liman, YouTube was well told where the replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was coming from, that they had helicopters flying .. I suspect that they lied not only to us, but also to themselves.
                  In the end, why did they start this special operation, played a show with an alleged return. But the real return is now being shown by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And we are just a disgrace.
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 October 2022 17: 19
              +4
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              You are probably already there ... judge for yourself.

              But in reality, there were fewer zetos on jalopies than in the spring.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 17: 34
                +4
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                You are probably already there ... judge for yourself.

                But in reality, there were fewer zetos on jalopies than in the spring.

                All these badges tell me little about anything ... anyone can paint them ... I never do this nonsense myself.
            4. Hypertension
              Hypertension 4 October 2022 18: 00
              +4
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              For example, I didn’t run anywhere and I will fight on the Internet with accomplices of the Ukronazis while I’m alive.

              But the Internet can be turned off. Or isolate the Russian segment.
            5. mitrich
              mitrich 5 October 2022 12: 29
              -1
              Meehan, is that you? Get over it, show your face. ..
          2. Engineer
            Engineer 4 October 2022 17: 12
            +4
            How well it all started...
            perfectly planned operation - boilers for the pigwehrmacht - 2-3 days before the fall of the criminal regime - our tanks are practically in Kyiv - disposal of khokhlutu - dill is being roasted - misunderstanding "Ukraine" will be over in the near future - gyyyyy
            - flies over the sky
            we haven’t started yet - a gesture of goodwill - now it’s going to be serious - hang yourself with jump ropes - the pigs are being cut-gyyyy
            - flies over the cheeks from the foot
            - take out the infrastructure - don’t care about the kaklomirnyak - they are all Nazis - erase Kiev - our guys are dying - there is no mercy - they will answer for everything - Ukraine should not exist
            - mobilization
            everything is rotten - revive Stalin - introduce triples - this is a betrayal - who benefits? - the army just runs away - where are the courts-martial? - use nuclear weapons - everything is in dust - the survival of Russia is at stake - I am ready to personally lead the firing squad - Stalin, Stalin, STAAALING come....
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 16: 55
          -15
          But you don’t suffer from diarrhea yourself ... otherwise, I see the dill-patriots have become too active ... soon you will begin to call for fighting anti-fascists.
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 4 October 2022 17: 24
            +9
            No more anti-fascists
            Blessed Tatra turned out to be right (am I writing this??)
            In the USSR, which I do not like, they never dehumanized entire nations, and threats with atomic weapons were in the repertoire of one crazy Nikita Sergeevich, and a sincere desire for peace was universal, if not at the level of the top, then certainly at the level of the layman for sure
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 17: 39
              -2
              smile Don’t tell me fairy tales ... I was born and raised in the USSR and I remember very well how the USSR fought American imperialism around the world.
              Blessed Tatra will be silent as a rag when the Ukronazis will cut the Russians in the Kherson region or the Crimea ... by the way, in her comments, she never condemned the Ukronazis ... which is very interesting.
              Apart from the enemies of the communists, she is no longer interested in anything.
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 4 October 2022 17: 52
                +4
                The USSR fought American imperialism all over the world.

                But for the inhabitant of the USSR there was no war until the Afghan one. There is international aid, but there is no war. Like a fig leaf, but on the other hand, a minimum of people were involved in undercover games. This was unthinkable in the USSR

                Blessed Tatra will be silent in a rag when the Ukronazis will cut the Russians in the Kherson region or the Crimea.

                The time has come for the most interesting stories from the repertoire of "8 years", which have yet to happen. What else does the crystal ball show? When is the complete collapse of the enemies of Rossiushka?
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 4 October 2022 18: 58
                  -1
                  But for the inhabitant of the USSR there was no war until the Afghan one.

                  Really ... and our military advisers in Cuba, Angola, Syria, Egypt, Nicaragua and God knows where else.
                  I don’t know about the complete collapse of the enemies of the Russian woman ... but the fact that they will tear their navel against Russia will definitely be.
                  I don’t guess in a crystal ball ... I’m a realist and I consider the Kalashnikov assault rifle to be the best argument for the enemies of Russia.
                  1. Engineer
                    Engineer 4 October 2022 19: 00
                    +4
                    I consider the Kalashnikov assault rifle to be the best argument for the enemies of the Russian.

                    Apparently, we are talking about the Internet machine.
                    1. Lech from Android.
                      Lech from Android. 5 October 2022 01: 25
                      0
                      Yes, it doesn't matter ... I will not be silent when any louse will pour mud on my people and country.
                2. Wildcat
                  Wildcat 5 October 2022 22: 46
                  +2
                  hi
                  Undoubtedly, the performance of the actor Okhlobystin in strange clothes will go down in the annals of the modern colloquial genre. "Doctor of Interns" opened, so to speak, with a different side in political satire. fellow

                  Such a cute homage at a rally to the writer Sorokin and "Oprichnik's Day":
                  "Interjection "goida" feel , meaning a call to immediate action!" lol feel
                  "Goida, brothers and sisters!" (c) Okhlobystin
                  wassat
                  And away we go: "— Goyda-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah!!!
                  The vaulted ceiling trembles.
                  And in the font - a nine-point storm.
                  - Goyda-ah-ah-ah!!! I roar in Nechay's ear, and Tambourine yells in mine: - Goyda-ah-ah-ah!!! Lord, help us not to die ... "
                  (c) Sorokin laughing

                  Read on, brothers and sisters... laughing
                  1. Engineer
                    Engineer 5 October 2022 23: 17
                    +1
                    Campaign, Sorokin remembered, everyone.
                    However, even his opus may seem like an innocent prank compared to the opening prospects.
        3. storm
          storm 4 October 2022 18: 01
          +16
          All hope is for the mobilization of the members of united Russia, they are already patriots, they are already chasing Ukrofascists right to the Atlantic Ocean, right through their dachas in Croatia, Italy, France, Spain ....
          At the same time, they will see how they didn’t steal anything without them ... :))
        4. dementor873
          dementor873 4 October 2022 18: 03
          0
          Here I have a category B, not fit. So I help with money, but not enough, to be honest.
          1. runway-1
            runway-1 4 October 2022 20: 49
            +2
            Category B - Eligible with minor restrictions, so... winked
            1. dementor873
              dementor873 4 October 2022 22: 02
              0
              One eye does not see, the second 0.6, but health allows projectiles to be dragged.
              1. runway-1
                runway-1 4 October 2022 22: 06
                +2
                In this case, there should be a category "D" - not fit for military service ...
                1. dementor873
                  dementor873 5 October 2022 00: 08
                  0
                  The military man received back in 2003, and then he had vision 1.
        5. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 4 October 2022 19: 04
          0
          Quote: Engineer
          And there is no one to fight.

          How so?
          And where are the fiery Internet fighters against ukrofascism? Shouldn't they be encouraged by the opportunity to stop the genocide and eliminate the existential threat of Russia?

          Yes, we are all here. Here, just watching you sympathizers of ukrofascism, flooded "for spawning" being inspired by the possibility of resuming the genocide of the population of the liberated regions and enthusiastically throwing shit on the fan to the glory of ukrobanderlogs and mattresses.
          Quote: Engineer
          Are they all like one Hansales? Have age, hemorrhoids, prostatitis and excess weight beaten the best of the best?
          No, well, you are still hoo, you can say at least where, and slender and impudent and cutting without hemorrhoids. Gloat to yourself alone, why did you give up Hansales?
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 4 October 2022 19: 12
            +6
            Yes, we are all here.

            But who doubts that you are all here? Not at the front to look for you
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 4 October 2022 19: 49
              +1
              Quote: Engineer
              Yes, we are all here.

              But who doubts that you are all here? Not at the front to look for you

              Alas, only in the third wave I get, a bit old. If the agenda comes, then I will go to the front, I will not hide in Georgia and Kazakhstan.
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            2. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 5 October 2022 01: 26
              +1
              But who doubts that you are all here? Not at the front to look for you.

              So you can be sure you won’t be found at the front either ... who are you in Canada, who are in Lithuania, who are in the USA. smile
              Masquerading as Russians.
        6. Lom_l
          Lom_l 4 October 2022 20: 23
          +2
          The funny thing is, they sit here and hysteria.
      2. ARIONkrsk
        ARIONkrsk 4 October 2022 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Sergio_7
        The country is big, but there is nowhere to retreat!

        And there is no one to fight. You can't send conscripts into battle - there is no war. And with contract soldiers it turned out like in a bearded joke: The salary is good, the team is excellent, the social package, the schedule is convenient, but like a fire - so at least quit! ©

        There are still contract soldiers in the units, not all of them, it was possible to mobilize them in their place, but those to help.
      3. White AK
        White AK 4 October 2022 17: 21
        +12
        What is the salary, an ordinary double bass shooter has a salary of 35t r. of these, give 5 tons for repairs of everything and painting everything, so they run, the salaries are good for colonels and generals, and the bonuses are 1010 what mmm. For 10 years, the army has been ruined by general formalism and photo reports, but only right now they are itching. And now only carpet bombing will help, but even this is not allowed by the supreme for some reason. Either he has a plan (I really want to believe in it) or that's it. And the comrades who died to tears are sorry. It's not scary to die in battle, it's a shame to die just like that.
      4. strannik1985
        strannik1985 5 October 2022 05: 56
        0
        And with contractors it turned out like in a bearded joke

        What about contractors? In October last year, the number of contract servicemen in the Ground Forces amounted to 147 thousand people, plus the Airborne Forces. Moreover, this number is for all troops, and not just those involved in the operation. Now there are about 650-700 thousand people in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the number itself does not play a special role, but the intensive supply of weapons and training is quite.
        Russia does not pull the war only by volunteers against such a numerous enemy, 8 years of civil war were not in vain.
    3. BSD Fan
      BSD Fan 4 October 2022 16: 33
      +1
      How about what? About how best to present information to the top that a large area has been taken, the current number is not enough to keep it.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 4 October 2022 16: 35
        +1
        Quote from BSD-Fan
        How about what? About how best to present information to the top that a large area has been taken, the current number is not enough to keep it.

        This has already been done twice. How many more times can you? First, the front was reduced and they retreated from Kyiv, giving up a couple of regions. Then they arranged a regrouping by giving away another area. A couple more? wassat
        1. Burma6
          Burma6 4 October 2022 16: 55
          +4
          If the task is impossible with the existing formations, what is left for them to do? Holding on and sacrificing more and more to please the talking heads on TV? The slogans and heroic last stances of encircled units do not win wars in the face of a numerically superior enemy.
          1. Role
            Role 4 October 2022 23: 28
            +3
            in the face of a numerically superior enemy.

            Surprisingly simple. From the very beginning, they shouted that they would bring the number of fighters to a million. NATO allies trained and armed them in the spring / summer, and then in the fall, a surprise in the form of a counteroffensive.
            It seems that for the military, as well as for public utilities, "winter" always comes unexpectedly.
    4. JD1979
      JD1979 4 October 2022 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: Sergio_7
      What were the generals thinking?

      The basic rule of the army is that the boss above thinks for you)))
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 4 October 2022 17: 59
        +2
        And he executes the order - the subordinate below)))
        In general, the golden rule of the army was described by Harry Harrison half a century ago: "Tell another"
  3. JagerRock
    JagerRock 4 October 2022 16: 28
    +16
    It smacks of a gesture of goodwill within the entire right bank of the Dnieper ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 October 2022 17: 28
      +6
      More precisely, it stinks of outright betrayal. But the star of the "hero" will still be given.
  4. RaccoonSnake
    RaccoonSnake 4 October 2022 16: 29
    +36
    Campaign soon Kyiv will begin to put forward ultimatums to the Kremlin. Looking at the constant howls of the Russian side about "readiness for negotiations," the situation is simply catastrophic. With such successes in all directions, Kyiv does not need negotiations, and Zelensky frankly spat in Putin's face with his statement.
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 4 October 2022 16: 41
      +5
      Even after the "gesture of good will", the little thought constantly gnaws at me, as if Khasavyurt 2 is not snatched off. And then such a beautiful General Lebed 2 will appear and oops.
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 4 October 2022 17: 04
        +14
        Quote: g_ae
        Even after the "gesture of good will", the little thought constantly gnaws at me, as if Khasavyurt 2 is not snatched off. And then such a beautiful General Lebed 2 will appear and oops.

        Here already on Khasavyurt and the Brest peace smacks request
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 4 October 2022 17: 29
          +7
          And how the current rulers screwed up their eyes while pronouncing the Brest peace. And now living people are being betrayed.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 4 October 2022 17: 43
            +6
            Quote: Gardamir
            And how the current rulers screwed up their eyes while pronouncing the Brest peace. And now living people are being betrayed.

            Looking at all this, it remains to say: "Whether there will be more ..." hi
          2. g_ae
            g_ae 4 October 2022 17: 44
            +8
            General Konashenkov: "The main thing that was destroyed in the course of the Special Military Operation is the population's trust in the propaganda of the Ministry of Defense. The trust in the leaders of our ministry has also been completely destroyed!"
            TK Igor Strelkov
  5. Uprun
    Uprun 4 October 2022 16: 30
    +28
    Well, that's a well-deserved assessment of our command ......, respect to the guys at the front, they are doing everything they can. Someone else believes in fairy tales about the upcoming offensive and further denazification and demilitarization of the outskirts ....., to the Pshek border .... So far they are successfully de-Russifying and demilitarizing us .....
  6. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 4 October 2022 16: 30
    +3
    In two areas, the Russian army has a difficult choice - to counterattack to stop the enemy or retreat to new positions.
    The choice is not great...
  7. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 4 October 2022 16: 30
    +14
    This situation has been going on for a month and a half. And it took the Armed Forces of Ukraine four months to prepare for it. It is difficult to say how long it will take for our army to rectify the situation, taking into account all the mess and disassembly. It is impossible to leave Kherson under any circumstances.
    1. Arsi55
      Arsi55 4 October 2022 21: 44
      +1
      There is no way out there anymore.

      Short message
    2. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 5 October 2022 23: 42
      0
      I just watched the release of Yuri Podolyaki.
      A chic phrase was said there: while ours are holding Kherson.
      The most notable is "bye".
      From this "so far" the flight from Izyum, Kupyansk, Balakleya began ....
      1. cold wind
        cold wind 6 October 2022 00: 08
        -1
        The very situation when everyone knows and understands everything, but the orchestra continues to play on the upper deck. (FROM)
        You are on the upper deck for now.
  8. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 4 October 2022 16: 30
    +5
    But what is it ... That is, not even the third failure, but at least the fourth! And everything was visible and known to everyone in advance.
    What's next? The Nazis have become insolent - and now they will not stop themselves. They will climb on our lands, "like on a station buffet." WHERE and WHO will stop them???
    It’s scary to myself ... but a quote from Pikul stubbornly climbs into my head: "... It's hard. Very hard. Yesterday we left Sevastopol ..."
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 October 2022 17: 32
      +8
      not the third failure, but at least the fourth!
      I'll correct you here, this is not the third or fourth. This is a complete failure. But when there are elections, it will turn out that we voted for them.
    2. g_ae
      g_ae 5 October 2022 06: 55
      -1
      The polar fox crept up imperceptibly, although it was visible from afar.
  9. Amper
    Amper 4 October 2022 16: 31
    +8
    After all, how many smart people talked to boobies about the need for mobilization, the introduction of martial law, and so on and so forth .. fool But when nature handed out brains, these sawed the budget and spheres of influence. fellow
  10. alexmach
    alexmach 4 October 2022 16: 32
    +15
    Already departed. No need to break spears on the topic of difficult choices
    1. Yapet100
      Yapet100 4 October 2022 17: 57
      +4
      Our poor generals: the academies are finished, but they cannot make a choice.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 4 October 2022 18: 59
        0
        Well, in fact, the fact that they are retreating is disgusting, the fact that they manage to do at least this without "boilers" is already positive.
        1. Victor Leningradets
          Victor Leningradets 5 October 2022 07: 06
          +1
          The people downvote you, not realizing that one cauldron with crowds of prisoners can cause the collapse of the front and panic in the rear.
          Until we fix the situation - just retreat.
          1. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 5 October 2022 23: 44
            0
            And how long will we correct the situation?
            To what city?
            To Rostov?
            To Voronezh?
            Al immediately already to Moscow?
        2. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 5 October 2022 12: 52
          -1
          Ukrainians say that there was a boiler near Leman. And they showed a video with the destroyed columns of soldiers and equipment that broke through the ring.
  11. Stena
    Stena 4 October 2022 16: 32
    -1
    It's a pity. But these are the realities.
    There will be a holiday on our street.
    For now:
    [Death for death!
    You must not grumble, but endure
    Here is your hell!
    You know there is no turning back]. Aria. Blood for blood.
  12. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 4 October 2022 16: 32
    +16
    At this moment, Lobaev (sniper rifles) writes: "There is a war going on in the country, and we are having an inspection of the National Guard ... With extraordinary zeal .." (c)
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. FoBoss_V
      FoBoss_V 4 October 2022 16: 50
      +18
      I just read from the cart too ... PPC of course. As for me, it’s time for the Russian Guard to check the Kremlin meticulously and thoroughly. It seems to me that the most important traitors and traitors are sitting there, and not at Lobaev's production
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 4 October 2022 17: 02
        +5
        At best, ordinary competitors ordered it, at worst - on a tip from partners, given that the khokhlyatina threatens him, there is no guard, every time he gets into the car he crawls under the bottom in search of explosives.
      2. Sergey028
        Sergey028 4 October 2022 18: 10
        0
        As for me, it's time to disperse them, loafers.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 4 October 2022 17: 08
      +1
      Quote: IvanIvanov
      At this moment, Lobaev (sniper rifles) writes: "There is a war going on in the country, and we are having an inspection of the National Guard ... With extraordinary zeal .." (c)

      At what price does Lobaev sell rifles for the army, when "there is a war going on in the country", he did not write?
      Maybe during the war the laws are canceled, and checks are prohibited?
      Let him tell you what they are looking for.
      The National Guard does not run away from the war.
      Constantly heard.
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 5 October 2022 12: 53
        0
        None. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not accept his rifle into service.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 5 October 2022 13: 02
          0
          Quote: Mikhail Ya2
          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not accept his rifle into service.

          Nevertheless, much has been written about the use of the Stalingrad and Twilight rifles on the Ukrainian front.
          1. Mikhail Ya2
            Mikhail Ya2 5 October 2022 16: 56
            0
            They are purchased privately. There was an article that a woman bought a rifle for the front, with a dedicatory inscription. If the MO bought, then the prices would probably be lower. Piece copies are always more expensive than mass production
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 5 October 2022 17: 16
              0
              Are private individuals allowed to purchase military weapons in Russia?
              1. Mikhail Ya2
                Mikhail Ya2 5 October 2022 18: 31
                +1
                In Russia, even PMCs are banned even without a court decision, you can’t pull a convict out of prison……..
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 5 October 2022 18: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Michael Ya2
                  In Russia, even PMCs are banned even without a court decision, you can’t pull a convict out of prison……..

                  Ага.
                  And through customs and border guards in a case were taken.

                  I think that the rifles could be purchased in a small batch for military trials.
                  This explanation seems more logical to me.

                  It is necessary to understand at what level issues related to PMCs are resolved.
                  Will anyone who wants to buy and send a rifle to the Donbass be able to get through to such a level?
                  1. Mikhail Ya2
                    Mikhail Ya2 5 October 2022 19: 08
                    0
                    I remember Solovyov, he brought a tube from the ATGM from the Donbass and showed .......
  13. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2022 16: 36
    +5
    But what is it ... retreat after retreat ... What, will we back up to Moscow, as in 1941? Or, perhaps, immediately to Vladivostok, what would have been "on the backwoods"?
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 4 October 2022 16: 51
      +17
      Quote: Brylevsky
      But what is it ... retreat after retreat ... What, will we back up to Moscow, as in 1941? Or, perhaps, immediately to Vladivostok, what would have been "on the backwoods"?

      There is a difference from the 41st, we were suddenly attacked. And here, as it were ... we should have had an advantage. It turns out that the Ukrainian reservists exhausted our regular army during the spring and summer, and now the Ukrainians have thrown professionals into the rush. Well, plus the Pentagon studied our army for six months and drew conclusions.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 4 October 2022 17: 07
        +8
        100% studied, made conclusions, completed conclusions after the first August offensive on Kherson, now they don’t form columns, work in small groups, move along the front line, probing our defenses, plus reconnaissance, communications, coordination. Also speaking, the well-known Pentagon tactics, the question is why haven’t we found the key yet? Lack of drugs can be asked from partners.
      2. Adrey
        Adrey 4 October 2022 17: 08
        +11
        Quote: freddyk
        There is a difference from the 41st, we were suddenly attacked.

        And here, too, suddenly. Well, no one expected that they would dare to go on the offensive so meanly and unexpectedly request
        1. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 5 October 2022 12: 54
          0
          At first, treacherously defend yourself and not give up
      3. Victor Leningradets
        Victor Leningradets 5 October 2022 07: 09
        0
        There is a difference from the 41st, we were suddenly attacked.

        Smiled.
        What is here, what is there - everything was clear in a month. The true combat effectiveness of the opposing armies was not clear - yes. And there was no surprise.
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 5 October 2022 10: 47
          0
          Knowing and guessing are two different things. And then, we all know that winter will come, but we are always not ready for it, because we don’t know exactly when.
  14. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 4 October 2022 16: 38
    +1
    Or maybe there is a third way out: to urgently transfer our most trained troops from the exercises from Kazakhstan? As I understand it, they send their very own to all sorts of such exercises, so that in front of the "partners" they don't hit the dirt in the face? That would show what they are capable of good soldier
  15. Cartalon
    Cartalon 4 October 2022 16: 40
    +4
    Let me guess, regrouping for the Dnieper? We cannot counterattack, the enemy sees our maneuvers 24/7, and it is impossible to create a front from exhausted units and it is pointless that the enemy will again find a hole.
    If we are not preparing a big offensive in the north, but only plug the holes, then we are finished.
  16. RaccoonSnake
    RaccoonSnake 4 October 2022 16: 40
    +17
    The thesis of the degenerates immediately comes to mind: "We won in spite of Stalin and the Bolsheviks. The people did everything themselves." Right now, nothing is organized.
    And so we entered the conditional year 1941 with the state of the 1914 model. We see the consequences ourselves.
  17. Evgeniy68
    Evgeniy68 4 October 2022 16: 42
    +13
    I understand correctly that the enemy captured Russian territory, but this is not a war? And then what?
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 17: 01
      +5
      Watcher of Crimea said that after the referendums, the NWO will turn into CTO. Apparently they are looking out and looking for terrorists. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are apparently not terrorists according to Aksenov.
  18. fa2998
    fa2998 4 October 2022 16: 43
    -2
    Quote: kor1vet1974
    In two areas, the Russian army has a difficult choice - to counterattack to stop the enemy or retreat to new positions.
    The choice is not great...

    And why are they changing, let them choose the second option! They have been choosing it for almost a month, and nothing, they did not condemn anyone and shot them. lol request
  19. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 4 October 2022 16: 47
    +22
    I just don’t understand shit at all, sorry for my French .. Do we have GENERALLY (!!) no ground army left in the Russian Federation ?? Is it not enough for us the Kharkov and Liman shame? We probably want to go there and Kherson and Zaporozhye will add. That it is impossible to raise a Tu22 regiment with a full bomb load and roll out the groupings with fabs like a turtle God? Or is it already gone? Maybe then start bombing them with deputies and ministers?
    1. Leonidych
      Leonidych 4 October 2022 16: 58
      +15
      Yesterday I was stuffed with minuses for almost the same statements. but I'm not offended. After all, we have an army in order to build dachas for generals, and everything else is window dressing. So you see, they will reach Moscow, and we will all regroup and lose the best warriors. WHERE IS THE ARMY!!!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 4 October 2022 17: 40
        +12
        WHERE IS THE ARMY!!!
        optimized. Remember, medicine was optimized, and then covid attacked. Now the same situation.
    2. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 17: 08
      +4
      In order to bomb with powerful bombs from strategists and bombers, you need the exact coordinates of the target. And there is no line of contact between them. There are mobile high-speed groups in pickups, armored fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, supported by tanks, which do not gather in a pile and do not stand still. And carpet bombings can be at the heights of the air defense air defense systems with the indication from NATO AWACS aircraft. This is suicide. Yes, and you can cover your own in the heat of battle, everything changes too quickly. Heavy aircraft should be used on critical infrastructure with missiles, and it is not clear why this is not being done.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 4 October 2022 17: 13
        0
        High-speed mobile groups should, in theory, remove the second echelon by rapid extension, the main thing is not to let the reserve be pulled up.
      2. Maxim G
        Maxim G 4 October 2022 17: 24
        +1
        Quote: TatarinSSSR
        There are mobile high-speed groups in pickups, armored fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, supported by tanks, which do not gather in a pile and do not stand still.


        This is a job for combat helicopters, multifunctional fighters, UAV-MLRS / artillery bundles.
        1. vovochkarzhevsky
          vovochkarzhevsky 4 October 2022 18: 20
          +6
          Not everything is going smoothly with combat helicopters either. There are only 1500 helicopters in the army (there were 7200 under the USSR).
          1. Maxim G
            Maxim G 4 October 2022 18: 23
            0
            Something can certainly be restored, transferred from other parts of the country.
            Although without high-precision weapons and equipment that will allow them to be used, is it necessary ...
            1. vovochkarzhevsky
              vovochkarzhevsky 4 October 2022 19: 03
              +4
              So even those combat helicopters that are used are illiterate. Instead of creating shock groups, they disperse forces in pairs, spreading forces along the entire front.
              1. Maxim G
                Maxim G 4 October 2022 19: 04
                -1
                I remember you wrote, and about the small number of ATGMs on them.
                1. vovochkarzhevsky
                  vovochkarzhevsky 4 October 2022 19: 57
                  +3
                  It happens in general without ATGMs flying out.

    3. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 4 October 2022 17: 15
      +2
      You are joking?

      Today, more than 120 long-range Tu-22M3s remain in Russia (out of 497 aircraft built at the Kazan Aviation Plant). About 60 units Tu-22M3 and Tu-22MR (reconnaissance) are in service with the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, the rest are on conservation.
      1. Maxim G
        Maxim G 4 October 2022 18: 07
        -3
        Part of the aviation equipment (not necessarily the Tu-22M ...) needs to be reactivated for itself, part for the DPRK.

        The question is whether they can be restored to a sane state.
    4. Yapet100
      Yapet100 4 October 2022 18: 03
      +3
      You can't raise a regiment, because NATO immediately threatens us with a finger, and we get scared, because, apparently, the Americans have something to crush us. Those. step left-right for us execution ...
    5. alexmach
      alexmach 4 October 2022 18: 26
      0
      That it is impossible to raise a Tu22 regiment with a full bomb load and roll out the groupings with fabs like a turtle God?

      It is forbidden. They beat down.
    6. hector
      hector 4 October 2022 19: 40
      +3
      Quote: FoBoss_V
      I just don’t understand shit at all, sorry for my French .. Do we already have GENERALLY (!!) no ground army left in Russia ?? Is it not enough for us the Kharkov and Liman shame?

      On Sunday, at the Solovyov Evening, Vadim Gigin said: "The bad Liman story, unfortunately, will repeat itself." Not verbatim, but the meaning is clear.
    7. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 5 October 2022 01: 37
      0
      There are 5 brigades around the Kherson bridgehead: marines, landing, tank, 2 mechanized.
      They don’t have aviation, they don’t have artillery, BT either.
      At the same time, 3-4 BTGs come on. This is not a goal for strategists.
  20. gafovec
    gafovec 4 October 2022 16: 48
    +6
    Apparently they chose the second option. But "SVO is going according to plan"?
    1. Third district
      Third district 4 October 2022 17: 05
      +6
      Quote from gafovec
      Apparently they chose the second option. But "SVO is going according to plan"?

      Quite right! "We haven't even started yet..." (C) And from the last one - "Let's see how their offensive ends..." (ominously)
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 4 October 2022 17: 48
        +3
        Quote: Third District
        And from the last - "Let's see how their offensive ends ..." (ominously)

        looking at everything that happens, something more and more comes to mind the phrase "it's better for us not to see this"
  21. Pravodel
    Pravodel 4 October 2022 16: 53
    +12
    Something ceases to please me how ours are fighting in Ukraine: they gave up the cities near Kharkov, now there are problems near Kherson ... The war in Ukraine begins to resemble not the 1st World War and not the Second World War, but the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905. How that war ended is well known - the revolution of 1905. I don't want a repeat!!!
    1. gromit
      gromit 4 October 2022 17: 54
      0
      Can be stuck on the car "1905-1917. We can not repeat"
  22. Adagka
    Adagka 4 October 2022 16: 53
    +14
    The ghouls in striped stripes played the game of giveaway, for whom everything was fine for eight months. Now the soldiers wash themselves with blood for these ghouls.
  23. Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 4 October 2022 16: 53
    +10
    At least evacuate people in advance !!! How long can you leave them behind? From what you punish them later, it will not be easier in the next world.
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 4 October 2022 17: 00
      +4
      No one seems to think about this. If they thought, then they would report for sure.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 4 October 2022 18: 18
      +4
      if the army doesn’t care, then the inhabitants don’t give a damn
    3. Arsi55
      Arsi55 4 October 2022 21: 54
      0
      In Svatovo declared self-evacuation 72h.
  24. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 4 October 2022 16: 56
    +12
    With our leadership, it is possible to retreat to Moscow, but everything is fine with them, and the army sits at home and watches how the Armed Forces of Ukraine attack. Why do we need an army that cannot be used?
  25. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 16: 57
    +11
    I wonder what gentlemen the president of the Russian Federation, the minister of defense, the chief of the general staff are doing now? Do they even know what is happening on the NWO front? It seems to me that gen. it is time for the Russian prosecutor to start a legal check of these persons about their activities at the posts. If such is possible under the constitution.
  26. avia12005
    avia12005 4 October 2022 16: 57
    +3
    Russian paratroopers defending the village


    The Airborne Forces, of course, are a force, but why are they fighting like infantry ...
  27. AlexVau
    AlexVau 4 October 2022 16: 58
    +16
    I have a question: And who generally conducts NWO RUSSIA or UKRAINE? It seems that Ukraine and soon it will accept new regions into its composition ...
  28. Dikson
    Dikson 4 October 2022 17: 10
    +9
    Dry the oars... We sail along the way.. "Moscow calls for negotiations".. That is, are we giving up or what? All fought? Interesting movie..
    1. Arsi55
      Arsi55 4 October 2022 21: 55
      -1
      Not an interesting game has begun, it's time to go home
  29. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 4 October 2022 17: 11
    +14
    And how beautifully the generals sit in the Center with monitors, and everyone's faces are purposeful, it breaks a tear.
  30. Valter1364
    Valter1364 4 October 2022 17: 13
    +6
    It is terrible to think what could have happened if it were not for the heroism of the rank and file, junior and middle command staff.
  31. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 October 2022 17: 18
    -18
    They whined, groaned))) Everything was gone, the plaster was removed ... It's good to whine! Everything will be fine!!!
    1. Valter1364
      Valter1364 4 October 2022 17: 21
      +6
      Nobody moans. I'd better go and watch "Wedding in Malinovka" again
      1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
        Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 October 2022 17: 34
        -14
        The groan is already laying the ears. Calm down, crybabies. They got her to God with their howls. Better move to the front and moan there and share your opinions about parquet generals and other things ... And here in the rear, your snot is of no use at all! And on the front end you look like you can do something sensible. Although it is understandable, it is safer to fight from the couch and advise how to fight. VUmniki.
        To the legitimate question "Why are you sitting in the rear?" I will answer - I submitted documents for restoration to the RF Armed Forces. I passed all the commissions, I'm waiting for an extract ... So that's it.
        1. TatarinSSSR
          TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 18: 36
          +8
          And from the sofa in the deep rear, it must be very difficult to send all the "groaning" to the front and yell that everything will be fine? I think a 7 year old can do it too.
          1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
            Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 October 2022 18: 45
            -11
            The military registration and enlistment office sends to the front, and I only suggest how, in my opinion, it will be more correct)) The best help is practical help, help in deed, especially from such pros in military affairs like you and the rest of the whining brethren. Wipe your snot and go...
            1. TatarinSSSR
              TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 20: 38
              +2
              Do you tell the civilians who voted for Russia those settlements that became part of it. Who were forced to flee after the vote already from the Russian land from their homes, since the Russian army gave these territories to the enemy during the retreat. Which is happening even now.
              1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
                Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 October 2022 21: 00
                -5
                I will definitely let you know just in case. And I’ll tell you that war is not only an offensive and victories, but also retreats and, oddly enough, defeats too.
                I would have looked at you and all your howling-screeching snotty brethren in the year 42, when, after a victorious offensive near Moscow, the Red Army suddenly found itself near Stalingrad. They would stick their tongues in their asses and sit in silence. Damn warriors. What is not a user is a strategist. I'm sick of you and people like you. Excuse the frankness.
                1. TatarinSSSR
                  TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 22: 29
                  +2
                  And now read carefully - I'm 45 years old. The shoulder joint is limited in movement, a consequence of a wound in the BD. I gave 11 years to the army, since 2005 a contract in the mountains. And not a single complaint from the command. And it’s not for you to scribble your hoodie about the sofa for me. My sofa is well-deserved. And I have the right to have my own opinion. Breed here you urapatriotov.
                  1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
                    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 October 2022 23: 04
                    0
                    I also jumped quite a lot in the mountains. It's not for you to tell me about the database.
                    No need to whine, colleague. We must believe in our army. You and the rest of the whiners don't believe me, that's all. Paws to the top of the legs apart.
                    Sit on your couch once you deserve it. Just sit quietly, don't whine. And take care of your hand. Good luck.
                2. klara
                  klara 5 October 2022 00: 41
                  -2
                  Then Russia had LEADERS, not thieves
                  1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
                    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 5 October 2022 07: 08
                    +1
                    So different then the leaders were. There was Zhukov, and Vlasov was also. Yes, it was a different time. Then you would have been put up against the wall and done right. And right now you tryndite for your pleasure and nothing will happen to you for it.
        2. klara
          klara 5 October 2022 00: 43
          -2
          what will you fight? And aviation (where did it go?) Support?
          1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
            Aleksey Aleksandrovich 5 October 2022 07: 10
            0
            Clara, you better cook cabbage soup .... And somehow they will figure it out with aviation support without you.
  32. Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle 4 October 2022 17: 20
    +3
    Quote from N3onMiami
    "Where are the fiery Internet fighters against ukrofascism?"

    As where?
    They removed the letters Z and V from their buckets and brought them down to Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan. It’s easy to fight the Ukrainians and all of NATO on the couch, but as the beckoning world begins to crumble, as soon as the non-illusory opportunity begins to loom to go “beat ho xlov” yourself, so excuse me, my hut is on the edge.


    If the children and grandchildren of ministers and governors had gone ahead, the people would have followed them.
    And so everything gives the impression that the leadership itself either does not consider this war correct, or does not believe in victory. Against the will of the president, ministers and generals, you still will not win the war. regardless of your level of personal courage.
  33. Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle 4 October 2022 17: 24
    +1
    Quote: Valter1364
    It is terrible to think what could have happened if it were not for the heroism of the rank and file, junior and middle command staff.

    Well ... So to think - and if there were no this heroism of the performers? The enemy would stand at the borders of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Defense would either have to start fighting, full-fledged, with bombing, or openly capitulate.
    Now we have an endless positional war and a complete fog in terms of goals and prospects.
  34. Is2
    Is2 4 October 2022 17: 25
    +6
    A little more and Putin himself will whine about negotiations with Bandera
  35. wladomir
    wladomir 4 October 2022 17: 29
    +13
    We are endlessly shown how beautifully our artillery and aviation shoot, endlessly we hit something with high-precision missiles, we lay down hundreds of blooded soldiers in all directions, thousands of tanks, all aviation and air defense were destroyed, but it’s very unclear who kicks us in the ass kick after kick . Our general staff is at war with someone in a fictional reality, or it’s not the headquarters of the RF Armed Forces at all, but some kind of game library for shoulder straps with big stars. Only for these games guys pay with blood.
  36. YanniKounnar
    YanniKounnar 4 October 2022 17: 35
    +4
    La Russie aurait du accepter les 100000 "volontaires" que lui proposait la Corée du Nord...
    100000 soldats entraînés, équipés, avec leur matériel cela ferait actuellement sans doute la différence.

    Russia was supposed to accept 100 "volunteers" offered to it by North Korea...
    100 trained soldiers equipped with their equipment would currently have
  37. Alex 2019
    Alex 2019 4 October 2022 17: 36
    +6
    It seems that the generals are tired of such a war, without goals and objectives, so the drain is in full swing. In the first months of the operation, on a patriotic upsurge, they launched an offensive regardless of losses and carried out the assigned tasks, liberated territories and stormed the city. Now there is simply no motivation, the troops are tired of double standards, poor technical equipment and mediocre generals. How can one explain that defenses are not being properly built at new positions, dugouts are not being built, trenches are not being dug, there are no minefields and there is no elementary interaction between units. The army will not leave the barracks, we will not really start fighting, there is no hope for victory, we will lose all the acquired territories in disgrace
    1. Arsi55
      Arsi55 4 October 2022 22: 00
      -3
      Very tired, negative background, minus morale, the surrender of territories is MASSIVE, and winter is coming soon ...
  38. Dva parovoza
    Dva parovoza 4 October 2022 17: 37
    +6
    Apparently we are on the eve of a "New Great Relocation". I heard out of the corner of my ear that after the referendum, on or about the fourth day, there will be a terrible revenge... Today is the fourth. Maybe not the right month? Or will everything happen on the fifth? Wait, your mom... Popcorn.
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 4 October 2022 18: 39
      +4
      Another "relocation" is already coming. Right now. The troops are withdrawing from the north, leaving dozens of settlements.
  39. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2022 17: 43
    +5
    Maybe we should clone Stalin and Beria? Something from them should have remained ... From them, the dead will be more useful to the country than from the current living, who are "deader" than the dead ...
  40. bulgaria_
    bulgaria_ 4 October 2022 17: 44
    +5
    Guys, I’ll look at these tanks and I don’t believe it - where is the helicopter? Where is the Su-25? How do they go into the plain without any damage? What the hell is going on at the front? Where are the hanged generals?????
  41. PYCCO_TYPUCTO
    PYCCO_TYPUCTO 4 October 2022 17: 47
    +7
    nadys konashenkov destroyed 40 tanks. and will do it here.
  42. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 October 2022 17: 48
    +6
    There is no ideology. During the Second World War, it was clear what the army should fight and protect. Why fight now? For the yachts and villas of Potanins and other Deripaskas? Therefore, there is no motivation. But dill has more than enough motivation.
  43. tkoh
    tkoh 4 October 2022 17: 52
    -8
    Our army was betrayed by the leaders. Traitors sit in the Kremlin. They don’t report anything to the Supreme and pour bullshit into their ears. It's time for everyone to take to the square. Otherwise defeat
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 October 2022 19: 58
      +4
      Quote: tkoh
      They don’t report anything to the Supreme and pour bullshit into their ears.

      Again, "the king is good, the boyars are bad" ... Aren't you tired?
  44. al3x
    al3x 4 October 2022 17: 56
    +9
    3 tanks and 20 armored vehicles and the front has already been broken through almost ?? According to Konashenkov, several dozen tanks are destroyed per day and a hundred other equipment. sad
  45. shm_kv
    shm_kv 4 October 2022 17: 59
    +3
    We have one option to avoid defeat - right now, start destroying the entire energy infrastructure. They will sit for a month without electricity - the situation will change radically.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 4 October 2022 18: 40
      0
      This is exactly what experts in NATO think, so they began to distribute iodine tablets to the population. There is logic in their actions.
      1. shm_kv
        shm_kv 4 October 2022 18: 42
        +1
        It does not require the use of nuclear weapons.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 4 October 2022 19: 20
          +1
          Unfortunately, you have to. Well, I mean, you won't have to, but serious NATO experts seem to have come to the conclusion that without the use of tactical nuclear weapons, Russia will not be able to inflict a decisive defeat on Ukraine. The leadership of the Russian Federation may have its own opinion on this matter, but I'm afraid it will turn out like with mobilization, the need for which serious people have been shouting for six months, and they were told that it is not needed at all.
          1. shm_kv
            shm_kv 4 October 2022 20: 15
            -1
            With the help of TNW TPP to bomb? Looks absurd. Here the question is different: how many missiles we have left (the way and not high-precision ones) and is it possible to urgently increase their production. Let at least at the X-59 level, there is no cool electronics inside. + kamikaze drones, the release of which we seem to be already getting better. If we can disrupt the repair work every day, then for Ukraine it will be a disaster.
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 5 October 2022 22: 31
              0
              Not necessarily CHP. Bridges, junctions, railway hubs. TNW will provide much more destruction at the point of impact than conventional ammunition. Plus, the humanitarian aspect - when the population will scatter in panic by the millions in all directions against the backdrop of permanent problems with food, water, heating and electricity.
  46. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 4 October 2022 18: 01
    +12
    I re-read the lines five times about the mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consisting of three tanks and 20 armored vehicles. No, I read it right. And this brigade is successfully advancing on our positions?! Sur something...
  47. Ivan Fokin_2
    Ivan Fokin_2 4 October 2022 18: 05
    +8
    It seems that Russia has no army, as such. A catastrophe awaits us, the military is running so that people in trousers cannot catch up.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 4 October 2022 19: 36
      +1
      A catastrophe would have awaited us if the military had remained in their places under the threat of flank coverage. The task today is to exchange territory for a while, inflicting maximum damage to the enemy remotely. Ukraine is burning its reserves, trying to achieve maximum territorial success until December, while it maintains a numerical superiority. And here's what happens next...
      1. Ivan Fokin_2
        Ivan Fokin_2 4 October 2022 20: 02
        -1
        If we do not counterattack, we will be crushed. Why don't we hit the flank of the stretched gut. I don’t want to think so, but the soldiers don’t want to fight, it seems.
  48. koralevviktor
    koralevviktor 4 October 2022 18: 18
    +2
    It's really scary for our country. Can't we show who's boss here.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 4 October 2022 19: 23
      +1
      If we understand that the main confrontation in the world is not going along the Russia-Ukraine line, but with much higher stakes, then the situation will sparkle with new colors.
  49. Thorvlobnor IV
    Thorvlobnor IV 4 October 2022 19: 23
    -2
    If the Armed Forces of Ukraine advance from Dudchan to the southwest for another 20 km, then Chaplinka begins to fall under the blow of Haymars, with all the consequences, if you know what I mean.
  50. nikniknik
    nikniknik 4 October 2022 20: 17
    +2
    there are no significant results, and colonel generals for some reason receive a hero of Russia, early ranks. Yes, awards in the form of orders and medals turned into pieces of iron on the breastplate. before the NMD, the DPR and LPR themselves did a good job, declared their own, nothing has changed in a positive direction, just as the unfortunate republics were bombed, they are still bombing, but the border area with Russia, too, just as "tourists" went to Kyiv, they go, as weapons were supplied Ukraine, and they supply it. but on TV we report beautifully (. tell me what’s wrong, immediately a prisoner for discrediting the NWO or the authorities. so that they are silent, take punitive laws that are not even close to the principles of a rule of law state.