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Ukraine asked the US to supply ATACMS missiles in exchange for the right to control the choice of targets for them

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Ukraine asked the US to supply ATACMS missiles in exchange for the right to control the choice of targets for them

Ukraine continues to beg the United States for the supply of long-range missiles for the HIMARS MLRS with a range of 300 km, promising to keep the US military informed of their use. CNN reported this yesterday.


According to the TV channel, which cites several well-informed sources, representatives of Kyiv requested the United States to supply ATACMS missiles to the HIMARS MLRS, while promising to give the US military the right to control the choice of targets for these ammunition. That is, in exchange for the supply of missiles, Ukraine promises to provide information about targets before each launch, and the United States receives the right to prohibit and allow strikes by these same missiles.

How the United States reacted to such a proposal is still unknown, White House spokesman John Kirby on Monday evaded answering the question of the possibility of supplying missiles in exchange for control over them. Earlier, the United States banned the supply of ATACMS missiles to Kyiv.

In turn, Washington may transfer four additional HIMARS MLRS installations to Kyiv, they will be included in a new military aid package formed by the Americans. Apparently, the Ukrainian delegation, located in the United States, still managed to beg for a new supply of MLRS.

Earlier it was reported that in Kyiv they intended to receive all the 18 MLRS HIMARS promised by the Americans of new production, the delivery of which was promised in two to three years. According to the representative of Kyiv Arakhamia, Ukraine is ready to exchange 18 new MLRS with delivery in the future for the same number of installations from the presence of the American army, but with delivery right now.

Meanwhile, it became known that the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to use a new type of ammunition for American complexes for attacks on cities, we are talking about shells stuffed with shrapnel - small-diameter tungsten balls.
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  1. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 October 2022 06: 37
    +5
    and they will most likely deliver these missiles while the Russian military and civilian leadership chews snot
    1. Fedor Sokolov
      Fedor Sokolov 4 October 2022 06: 42
      +2
      Maybe already installed! The Americans do not like excessive noise regarding the supply of weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      1. alex neym_2
        alex neym_2 4 October 2022 06: 48
        +2
        The legend is fresh that before each launch WILL REQUEST PERMISSION from Washington!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 4 October 2022 07: 02
          +7
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          The legend is fresh that before each launch WILL REQUEST PERMISSION from Washington!

          The exchange of delivery for the right to choose a target means that the virgin lands Ukrainians themselves will neither coordinate nor choose. MLRS HIMARS, like the M-270, have been equipped for network-centric operations since 2012. Those. the installation crew is instructed only to bring it to the designated point with the planned coordinates. Everything else (binding, guidance, loading a flight mission into a rocket, etc.) can be done by an operator from across the ocean via remote access. In this case, the crew may not be aware at all where the rocket will fly. It is not a fact that today the same is not being done with the existing power supplies.
        2. AAK
          AAK 4 October 2022 10: 48
          -2
          Why, a specially trained US "military pensioner" will sit next to each battery, and he will give commands to the paras ...
  2. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 4 October 2022 06: 40
    -2
    The decision to join the four regions of the Russian Federation did not bring the long-awaited peace, nothing has changed for the Ukrainian regime, they will continue to terrorize the population of these territories, only the military leadership of the Russian Federation is equally to blame.
    1. Asad
      Asad 4 October 2022 07: 18
      -1
      And what, you hoped that there would be peace?!!!
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 4 October 2022 07: 28
        -3
        Me not! But people in the referendum, making a conscious choice in favor of Russia, hoped that they would be under reliable protection, that's what we are talking about.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 4 October 2022 09: 21
          0
          Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
          people in the referendum, making a conscious choice in favor of Russia, hoped that they would be under reliable protection, that's what we are talking about.

          From the first minute?
          So that moment has not come yet.
          The process of accepting two republics and two regions into Russia has not yet been completed.
  3. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 4 October 2022 06: 46
    0
    Ukraine asked the US to supply ATACMS missiles in exchange for the right to control the choice of targets for them

    ***
    - That is, they had the "right to control the choice of targets" for these missiles, but there were no missiles themselves ...
    ***
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 October 2022 06: 46
    -7
    Ukraine asked the US to supply ATACMS missiles in exchange for the right to control the choice of targets for them
    And what now, Eskanders on Atakm .... not an equivalent exchange. Attacks will fly over Escanders. request
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 4 October 2022 06: 49
      -2
      Well, it's the result of a failed operation planning from the start.
  5. Izotovp
    Izotovp 4 October 2022 06: 51
    +2
    That is, under these conditions, the United States becomes the center of the decision to strike and we, according to our doctrine, must strike at them?!
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 October 2022 07: 08
      +1
      Quote: Izotovp
      That is, under these conditions, the United States becomes the center of the decision to strike and we, according to our doctrine, must strike at them?!

      Formally, it is so ... All that is needed is confirmation of the direct participation of US DoD personnel in hostilities. But that's exactly the problem. Not everything we know can be proven. Another thing is that in response, you can aggravate the situation directly in the database area. For example, put out the light in the central part of Ukraine or seriously disable the railway tracks on the approaches to the border crossings through which all this weapons are being transported. You can deal with the liquidation of the apparatuses of the OP, the SBU, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the end.
  6. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 4 October 2022 06: 54
    0
    As one deputies said, it’s time for us to include heavy aircraft in the battle! ... maybe he’s right, but it’s not for us to decide and it won’t be too late later request
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 October 2022 06: 58
    0
    promising to keep the US military informed of their use... Previously, the United States banned the supply of ATACMS missiles to Kyiv.
    So the Americans are already aware of the use of their missiles, tk. target coordinates for HIMARS come from American satellites, and the data is most likely entered by American specialists. This is so - vanity for the press. The Americans supplied heavy weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine even before the announcement of the supply and before the start of the Russian operation. Therefore, what prevents them from not advertising to start deliveries (or have already begun) of longer-range missiles. It's just that our military leaders already need to be ready to counteract their use.
  8. Two
    Two 4 October 2022 06: 59
    -2
    hi It's time to work with "Caliber" in the centers! It's time! If aviation does not fly in depth, it is necessary to destroy the infrastructure with everything that flies! Already the first mobilized are in the NWO zone. You can’t let them go for processing.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 October 2022 07: 13
      -3
      Quote: Dos
      It's time to work with "Caliber" in the centers! It's time! If aviation does not fly in depth, it is necessary to destroy the infrastructure with everything that flies!

      Aha! Waiting for you! It looks like they are sitting in the General Staff and guessing on a camomile: destroy, do not destroy, shoot, do not shoot. (((
  9. Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 4 October 2022 07: 18
    +2
    Hit by Hymars, - 1 government building in Kyiv. Attack with Atakam - 1 power plant. It is necessary to educate Pavlov's dogs like dogs.
  10. Maxim G
    Maxim G 4 October 2022 07: 21
    0
    I don’t understand if modern Western MLRS, artillery, and, accordingly, ammunition depots for them, transshipment points through which this equipment passes during deliveries, repair sites, are priorities and goals, it is impossible to develop an operation to destroy all this?
    1. Voronezh
      Voronezh 4 October 2022 07: 31
      -2
      Nizzyayayayayayay.... How can the brotherly people be left without bridges, roads, electricity?
      1. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 4 October 2022 08: 53
        0
        This bleating about "adinnarot" is already enough. Well, there is no fraternal people there: everyone who wanted to is already in Russia.
    2. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 4 October 2022 10: 55
      -1
      It is possible and necessary to develop an operation. The problem is different: if you are going to occupy at least half of such a large country as Ukraine, be kind enough to provide the forces and means necessary for this. The special services designed the NMD, and the task of the military was to "demonstrate strength", which they did: they surrounded Ukraine along the border for several months, then confidently, with columns, tried to psychologically break the enemy's will to resist. The will did not break, and in this case, the special services did not have a plan "B" in store, so the military was ordered to "liberate the Donbass", which they began to do absolutely straightforwardly, gouging the fortified areas in the forehead and grinding down the barrels of artillery with wagons. The Russian Federation was absolutely not prepared for the fact that something could go wrong, hence the confusion of the generals, who cannot share the "Trishkin caftan" at the front; the blind zeal of the military commissariats, who are afraid that all the dogs will be hanged on them; a sharp desire to see the world among the combat-ready part of the population, point-blank not seeing the point in giving their lives for Vasyukivka or Khytrozhopivka.
  11. Uprun
    Uprun 4 October 2022 07: 48
    +1
    Jogging, slowly but surely, we are moving towards the edge of the abyss.... Some show frenzied determination in this direction, others timid uncertainty...
  12. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 4 October 2022 07: 55
    -3
    As I understand it, the time has come for Putin to OFFICIALLY announce the following to the United States:
    The supply of ATACMS missiles to the UAF gang will be regarded as an act of war. If these missiles are delivered, strikes will be made on US territory. And do not chew snot!
    1. Maxim G
      Maxim G 4 October 2022 09: 23
      -3
      And all the deliveries that were before that, these are acts of what?
      Murmizon ballet?
  13. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 4 October 2022 08: 01
    -1
    It’s interesting how the Sumerians arranged themselves ... entirely and completely in the spirit of the States themselves: in exchange for something they needed, they offered something that already exists in fact winked

    American style in its purest form... I don't even know who studied with whom laughing
  14. OlesyaiLesya
    OlesyaiLesya 4 October 2022 08: 28
    0
    Conclusion: all targets will be set by Washington. The American operators themselves will perform on American installations. Ukraine provides only a piece of land for launches. It turns out that the Ukrainians have nothing to do with resolving issues, but the United States themselves decide and only they - to deliver now or later. It’s profitable for them now - it means they will bet, or maybe all 18.
  15. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 4 October 2022 08: 29
    -1
    I like our extras from the MoD who are not trying to isolate the battlefield, but simply report new opportunities for s.a.l.o.r.e.y.h.a
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 4 October 2022 08: 37
    0
    Most likely, C Korea should have missiles with a range of up to 8 km.
  17. megadeth
    megadeth 4 October 2022 13: 38
    0
    Ukrofascists need ATACMS missiles for strikes against the critical infrastructure of Russia (so they said in the office of the neo-fascists, with a fair wind it will fly to Podolsk ..., a joke). What does our leadership think about this, at least someone answered the people why we do not strike at logistics and critical. enemy infrastructure?
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 4 October 2022 18: 30
    0
    Ukraine asked the US to supply ATACMS missiles in exchange for the right to control the choice of targets for them

    Well - will we wait until these weapons are delivered to the Ukroreich? sad
  19. lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 October 2022 18: 37
    0
    Ukraine asked the US to supply ATACMS missiles in exchange for the right to control the choice of targets for them


    that means the missiles are already there and soon we will see their use in Russia. The West realized that Russia is bluffing and will now finish us off.
  20. zontov79
    zontov79 4 October 2022 18: 43
    0
    As I understand it, it's time to put Kadyrov at the head of the General Staff.