Prevent the arsenal from being devastated

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Prevent the arsenal from being devastated

The events that are taking place today on the fronts of the NWO are shocking to many. Although, to be honest, it all started with negotiations in Turkey. Those first talks. When reports about liberated settlements suddenly stopped coming. When there were reports of an increase in the supply of equipment and weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And when we simulated a possible blow to the infrastructure of Ukraine, destroying some objects that were restored in a matter of hours.

Talk about what happened - in the near future. It is clear that the attempt to shift all the blame on the military today will not work. I wrote many times that the army's hands are tied by numerous prohibitions. You can’t touch this, you shouldn’t carry out an offensive operation here, etc. A strange NWO, when the enemy openly announces the next direction of attack, but we don’t seem to believe it.



No need to powder the brain, intelligence, I'm sure, knows everything. And the enemy is not advancing in dense forests, but across an open field. Only the deaf-blind cannot see this. You read the messages of some commanders of the allied units and you are amazed. No arta support, no support aviation, not enough ammunition ... What is this? Betrayal or sloppiness? Or are our arsenals empty?

It is precisely about the arsenals that I want to talk today. And about ours, and about the arsenals of the enemy. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, judging by the radio intercepts, also suffer from “lack of food”. In the same way, commanders openly shout on the air about the lack of ammunition. And this means that not only there are no shells and missiles in Ukrainian warehouses, but also the suppliers of this “goods” began to fail ...

Let's shoot the last one in the last offensive


I wrote many times that the autumn offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is “the last and decisive”. It will be difficult for Ukrainians to wage war in winter, including due to a lack of ammunition. Not to mention other supply issues. The APU must attack today or never. This is why the Ukrainian generals do not spare their soldiers. Therefore, they climb ahead, despite any losses.

At the same time, direct participants in the events on both sides began to note a certain decline in the activity of Ukrainian art. Yes, and supplies to Ukraine began to decrease. On the one hand, statements about new allocated loans, and on the other hand, declarations that they will be used not even for months, but for years!

Very interesting in this regard is the statement of the American channel СNBC. The journalists of this channel have calculated that the US industry can now produce about 30 thousand 155 mm shells per year. The Armed Forces of Ukraine consumes such a number of shells in two weeks. Simply put, the Americans are forced to empty their strategic reserves today. Moreover, it will be difficult, almost impossible, to restore them in the coming years (!)

Quote from an interview with military expert Dave Des Rochas:

“I am very concerned. If we don’t have new products that take months to build up, we won’t be able to supply the Ukrainians.”

It seems that the Americans, in their desire to draw Europe into the conflict and thereby devastate the European arsenals, landed in their own "pit dug for another." Yes, today the European members of NATO not only emptied ammunition depots, but also lost military equipment and weapons, which were transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They, the Europeans, became really dependent on the future supply of American weapons, but they also ceased to be possible allies in the war. There is simply nothing to fight! ..

I will not refer to the data of our sources, so as not to raise a bunch of questions like “who, where, when”, the statement of the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell is enough:

"The military stocks of most member states were, I wouldn't say depleted, but depleted to a large extent, because we provided the Ukrainians with significant capacities."

Naturally, the question arises about the urgent production of what is needed in the EU countries. And this is where the dog is buried. In the NATO countries, including the United States, as in our country, unfortunately, for a long time not enough attention was paid to the production of weapons. We all, both Russia and NATO, competed in creating something super-duper modern and stunning. For ordinary Tanks and guns paid little attention.

Yes, the factories for their production remained. But a lot of such industries have been destroyed. In peacetime, such weapons were produced in small batches as old models were decommissioned. Now it has hit everyone. The plant can be built or repurposed fairly quickly. And where to get staff for his work? They need to be cooked!

Moreover, for many types of weapons that are actively used in Ukraine today, there are simply no production facilities! The West has successfully killed them (just like us). How did it happen? Thanks to the concept of modern mobile and local warfare. We did not believe in the possibility of a more global war ...

What will happen when the supply of 155 mm ammunition stops? Is there an alternative to these supplies? Firstly, there is evidence that Poland, using corrupt connections in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and insufficient control on the part of suppliers, “holds” part of the ammunition. The Americans know about it and will be able to remind about it at some point.

Secondly, alas, even with all the disadvantages of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I am sure that there is still some kind of stock of ammunition in the arsenals. For a while, this will be enough. And during this time it is quite possible to organize the purchase of such ammunition in third countries. For example, in South Korea.

There is another way, rather undesirable for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. NATO has a lot of weapons that morally and physically do not meet modern requirements. They are less powerful, their firing range is less, and the caliber in modern conditions does not inspire respect - 105 mm. By the way, such howitzers have already appeared in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. British L119 and American M101A1. True, Lithuania handed them over to Ukrainians.

These are quite old and long-decommissioned guns in the US and British armies. However, despite this, quite a lot of shells of this caliber are stored in the arsenals. And the decommissioned howitzers are not destroyed, but are stored in warehouses.

And what about us?


I wrote above that some commanders of allied units complain about the lack of ammunition. Alas, this fact cannot be written off. It's not just the shortcomings of logistics. Arsenals are really not limitless. So far (I emphasize - so far) there is no shortage of ammunition on a global scale, but the SVO continues, which means that deliveries are constantly going on.

Our warehouses in the frontline zone are often shelled. And these are additional "costs" of ammunition. The enemy is also very competently carrying out operations to block our units in populated areas. The roads along which our units are supplied are controlled by artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Under these conditions, we are simply obliged to organize additional production of weapons and ammunition in the rear. An army cannot fight normally without a strong rear! Moreover, a strong rear is the basis of victory in any campaign. And what do we see today? Complete disregard for these issues on the part of the country's top leadership.

From time to time I read about the exploits of our workers and engineers of military enterprises that produce military equipment and weapons. “The workers of plant N repaired (modernized, produced) such and such ahead of schedule. The weapons were sent to the formations conducting the NMD in Ukraine.” Lots of people have read this...

I am sure that the workers of the enterprises producing ammunition also perform such feats. But is it right? Have we captured half the country today? Destroyed half of the industry? Have we lost any resources? During the Great Patriotic War it was clear, but today?

Is it really incomprehensible why today we are forced to intensively empty the arsenals? Forced to devastate our and European arsenals? It is not at all difficult to draw an analogy with the Great Patriotic War. It is not difficult to imagine someone who will supply both belligerent armies and thereby establish control over the economy of both belligerents.

So where is the GKO? Where is the rear command? Why are some enterprises already operating “in conditions of war” today, while others, where production can be quickly transferred to a war footing, are on the verge of closure or are operating in a normal, peaceful, mode? Where is the headquarters that is responsible for what is happening in the rear?

I understand that in order to create such a body, or rather, a system of governing bodies, it is necessary to declare martial law. With a corresponding transfer of the entire economy to a military footing. This is by law. Who's stopping us from changing the law? This is our law! We can accept, and at the end of the SVO (or whatever this operation will be called now) - cancel.

In any case, we need to sharply increase the production of conventional weapons and ammunition. So that the arsenals work in the usual, not emergency, mode. Something is sent to the troops in accordance with the requests of the headquarters, and a new one arrives in place of what was sent from the factories. On paper, it looks so easy. But we are people. We will create a bunch of problems and we will heroically solve them.

And it will remain so until there is a person, a group of people who will lead this process, have the appropriate authority and bear personal responsibility for their work. It will be for the benefit of the state. We will have new leaders on a national scale, as is always the case in Russia at critical moments of existence.

The war between Russia and the West is already underway


I doubt that there are people in Russia who would not hear this expression. But, a paradox: everyone heard, but the majority did not hear. We prefer to live as if nothing is happening. Live in peacetime. War? So she's there, far away from my house. And I don't want to live in a war. I want to live the way I used to live...

Alas, but it is. Some Russians prefer to pretend that nothing is happening. How we pretended that nothing was happening in Syria. How we pretended that nothing happened in South Ossetia. Yes, our army is successful... Our soldiers and officers have shown miracles of heroism... We have liberated (protected)... We can speak, write, proclaim slogans. And live in peace. We want it that way.

It doesn't work like that. Partial mobilization affected everyone. And those who understand that there is a war going on, and those who prefer to live in their little world, in their shell, in their shell. Someone's children, husbands, relatives went to war. Someone saw off a neighbor, friend, workmate. Some are involved in volunteer activities. And someone just fled the country, saving their own lives.

I am not sure that the end of the military operation in Ukraine will be the end of hostilities in general. Judging by what the United States is doing in Europe, the Americans decided to repeat the "feat" of the brave tailor - "seven with one blow"! Destroy European competitors and make Europe a market for American goods. Here, too, everything is clear. The loss of markets in the east led to just such a result.

That is why we must take action today to ensure that Washington's plan fails. It is necessary to "modernize" the old proverb about "dry powder". Not just "keep the gunpowder dry", but also "change and replenish its stocks in a timely manner." And for this we need to create control bodies similar to those that are created during the war.

No need to look at what the West will say. They don't care about our opinion, so we shouldn't care about their opinion.
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  1. +28
    6 October 2022 16: 06
    Our plant switched to three shifts (production of gunpowder) soldier
    1. +10
      6 October 2022 16: 24
      be careful in the comments, the 1st department is not asleep)))
      1. +12
        6 October 2022 16: 56
        The first department doesn't give a damn about all these records! Section 1, this is a secret library. laughing Chatterboxes, and not only, are dealt with by the regime department.
        1. dSK
          +5
          6 October 2022 18: 28
          One tank plant in the Urals and one in Kurgan (BTR), a repair plant in Omsk (capital from storage sites) at this expense ...
          1. +5
            7 October 2022 05: 10
            Quote from dsk
            One tank plant in the Urals and one in Kurgan (BTR), a repair plant in Omsk (capital from storage sites)

            In general, the St. Petersburg repair plant is also engaged in the capital and modernization of the T-80 to BVM. And it was decided to build two more tank repair plants in the European part.
            But really, with such an expense of armored vehicles, the tank repair capabilities of the existing plants need to be expanded, and possibly look around - perhaps the production sites of the abandoned repair plants are still suitable for reincarnation. There are a lot of tanks and other armored vehicles at the storage bases, but now - in the course of mobilization, it is necessary to increase the number of armored vehicles in the troops several times - it's just that the number of Ground Forces is already increasing significantly, and new units and formations need equipment and weapons.
            1. -2
              7 October 2022 14: 23
              for mobilization, it’s easier to make MCIs in the style of Ural VV / Chekan and Kamaz Shot / Bulat, they are quite cheap and they can be made in hundreds, if not thousands a month .. But the fact that you need to expand the production of ammunition and gunpowder is a fact
            2. +1
              10 October 2022 15: 44
              In the only Hurricanes repair plant, the chassis is already being repaired in three shifts. Former workers ran back with the beginning of mobilization smile
              1. 0
                10 October 2022 16: 38
                Quote: insafufa
                Former workers ran back with the beginning of mobilization

                With such a load, they will have enough work for a long time.
                But we need repair facilities for the BMP-1 \ 2, MTLB, armored personnel carriers, and of course tanks. Now it is necessary to return to service thousands of units of such equipment from storage bases and organize their quick and high-quality repairs. The number of SVs increases several times and equipment for them can only be taken from there - from storage bases. And only through repair plants.
          2. +1
            7 October 2022 10: 06
            Quote from dsk
            One tank plant in the Urals and one in Kurgan (BTR), a repair plant in Omsk (capital from storage sites) at this expense ...

            Two tank factories. The Omsk plant, repeatedly buried by all-propagators, works as part of UVZ.
          3. +1
            7 October 2022 10: 57
            One plant in the Urals? Are you talking about lining in N. Tagil or about Chelyabinsk?
      2. +6
        7 October 2022 06: 00
        Quote from Silver99
        be careful in the comments, the 1st department is not asleep)))

        It is sad that we warn each other not from betrayal, but from punishment for betrayal. We used to be taught not to talk, because the enemy does not sleep. And today we advise each other not to talk, because our security services are on the alert.
        Do you catch the difference?
      3. +4
        7 October 2022 17: 24
        All these secrets are only from their own. NATO members are well aware of what is happening and where.
  2. -9
    6 October 2022 16: 10
    Hmm, along the way, the parties will sit down for negotiations, due to the end of ammunition .. smile The war is over, the cartridges and shells have run out .. smile
    1. +11
      6 October 2022 16: 46
      Only our senior management asks for negotiations. Zelensky completely abandoned peace talks. They are only interested in complete victory. For which they have every reason.
      1. -1
        7 October 2022 12: 10
        Russia does not ask for any negotiations. You just have to say something and show your commitment to something. And so, basically, from all sides bluff, cunning and search for options. Why does Russia need a world in which Ukraine will exist at least in some form? Russia's mission is to kick the West out of all territories that interest us. Will a peace treaty contribute to this?
    2. -2
      6 October 2022 17: 29
      no way! Are there bayonets? continue!
      1. +3
        7 October 2022 10: 11
        Quote: novel xnumx
        no way! Are there bayonets? continue!

        Sticks and stones © Albert Einstein
        1. 0
          9 October 2022 00: 31
          He knew something about stocks in warehouses when he said this. laughing
  3. for
    +12
    6 October 2022 16: 12
    And for this we need to create control bodies similar to those that are created during the war.

    From whom, tell me the candidates.
    1. +9
      6 October 2022 17: 16
      Quote: for
      From whom, tell me the candidates.

      Yes, you open your eyes ... How many new people came to Russia. One thing is clear, it's time to conduct an audit in order to determine what the gentlemen with big stars on shoulder straps have done in life, and whether people who stand with one foot on the churchyard are so necessary in power ...
      Age above 70 dulls the sense of self-preservation and does not stimulate the brain for future development. This is what made the late period of the existence of the CPSU and its Politburo “famous”.
      The country simply does not see new ideas and proposals. Hasn't this lopsided development proved that we are not on the right path, but on the path of development imposed on us by the West? What else is unclear? What does GDP expect from those industrialists, oligarchs, entrepreneurs to whom he presented awards? Where is this "Russian friend" Abramovich? Where are these shameless billionaires who dream of milking Russia to exhaustion?
      1. for
        -3
        6 October 2022 17: 54
        Quote: yuriy55
        Yes, open your eyes.

        You wouldn't mind either!
        One thing is clear, it's time to audit,

        I ask who will conduct the audit and who will appoint them to the audit commission?
        How many new people came to Russia.

        Where is this from?
        How many new people came to Russia.

        Aren't you tired of looking for the guilty?
        What awaits GDP from those industrialists, oligarchs, entrepreneurs

        This is what you ask him. Maybe we should start with it.
        1. +2
          6 October 2022 19: 48
          Quote: for
          You wouldn't mind either!

          What would stop me? Conduct a revision? I don’t see vile people in my close circle - everyone earns their bread by hard work. If there is no one to conduct, I can go through the contingent for a couple of months. Practically - for food ... The main thing is the presence of powers.
          Quote: for
          I ask who will conduct the audit and who will appoint them to the audit commission?

          Representatives of citizens in each region from among the well-known and proven themselves positively. There is an account with seven zeros - get out ... Such a criterion ... Proven ...
          Quote: for
          Where is it from?

          From LDNR for now ...
          Quote: for
          Aren't you tired of looking for the guilty?

          There is no need to cover up the guilty ...
          Quote: for
          This is what you ask him. Maybe we should start with it.

          I asked ...
          ...Give an answer. Doesn't give an answer. A wonderful ringing is poured from TV screens and various events; decrees, breakthroughs and messages torn to pieces by the wind subside and become the wind; everything that is mined on Russian soil flies past, and, looking askance at Washington, the European states are torn in blasphemy and bile.
          hi
          1. for
            -2
            6 October 2022 20: 29
            Quote: yuriy55
            Representatives of citizens in each region from among the well-known and proven themselves positively. There is an account with seven zeros - get out ... Such a criterion ... Verified ..

            I ask again who they are. CHECK and ASSIGN will be.
            You, me, but who will allow us.
      2. -1
        8 October 2022 08: 38
        Abramovich should not be touched. He does a lot, but does not advertise. For example, the decline in oil production by OPEC countries, which infuriated the United States. There is also his merit. And there is enough ammunition in the country. As it was mentioned by one of the leaders of the General Staff. Even without the production of ammunition, their stocks will be enough for the entire army to wage war with the NATO bloc for several years. The main thing is delivery (logistics).
    2. +3
      6 October 2022 17: 32
      Vannikov, Kaganovich, Mikoyan ... there were a lot of them, Stalin's eagles
  4. +14
    6 October 2022 16: 13
    I have a clear understanding - a huge number of influential people in the MOD are deliberately sabotaging the NWO. Because defeat will hide their crimes. And in the current situation relieves of responsibility. No business - nothing to answer for!
    1. +19
      6 October 2022 16: 21
      and maybe not only in m.o. sabotage? maybe someone continues to hope for "winter", "prudence of Europeans", "one people" and other false ideas ...
    2. +6
      6 October 2022 23: 56
      Quote from Antey
      I have a clear understanding - a huge number of influential people in the Defense Ministry are deliberately sabotaging the NWO

      And why do you only affect MO?
      Who's stopping us from changing the law?

      Good question raised by the author of the article!
      What body is our legislature? laughing
      These "fat cats" don't want to do anything. The law on nationalization has not yet been adopted, and it was proposed to be adopted by the Crimean authorities back in March. Fear? That's right, for your business and skin.
      They live under the slogan, "Long live the most liberal Criminal Code of the Russian Federation," which allows the "powerful" to actually evade responsibility.
      You can write books about liberda in the economic bloc of the government.
      I believe in our men who are fighting on the outskirts, but I am afraid that Russia will once again be "merge" from within !!!
    3. +6
      7 October 2022 05: 10
      Yes, most likely this is not sabotage, but complete incompetence. It's just that people are sitting in the wrong place, planted in easy chairs for blasphemy, nepotism, for bribes.
    4. -1
      8 October 2022 08: 42
      You're not right. Vice versa. CO immediately shows who is worth what. And if you believe the press, then they get rid of those who show their professional incompetence. And some are leaving their jobs.
  5. +18
    6 October 2022 16: 14
    We did not believe in the possibility of a more global war ...
    And not vice versa? Having relied on super, hyper, Sarmatians, etc., they forgot about conventional ammunition.
  6. +24
    6 October 2022 16: 15
    The great Soviet Union left behind just Mont Blancs of ammunition and equipment .. For it was seriously preparing for the third world war. A reasonable question arises - well, heaped high-precision, but where is the rest ?? Already with something - and with shells it seems like there should definitely be no problems .. Then - why are they still there? Or are these stocks no longer there, for the same reasons as in Ukraine? Isn't that what the native guarantor had in mind, arguing that we are, like, one people? Judging by the total disappearance of money and financial values ​​from both sides? For the bourgeois - they are the same everywhere. Ilyich was right, oh, how right.
    1. +8
      6 October 2022 16: 22
      More than 30 years have passed since the Soviet Union. Part of the ammunition was disposed of, sold, fell into disrepair, part is destroyed by the enemy, and this is the shortage.
      1. +3
        6 October 2022 16: 27
        Come on - what will happen to an artillery shell, if, of course, it is properly stored? To the extreme - reload if the tol is rotten .. The technology is known, there are factories ..
        1. +4
          6 October 2022 16: 43
          Already wrote, but I repeat.
          1. The USSR ceased to exist 31 years ago. During this time, gunpowder degraded, storage conditions were not observed, some of the warehouses exploded. Not all warehouses went to the Russian Federation.
          2. The Russian Federation participated in wars in the former Soviet republics, Chechnya 1/2, Syria, Georgia. The war in the LDNR has been going on since 2014, for 8 years we have fully provided them with weapons and ammunition. Added to this are deliveries to various Venezuelas, the Central African Republic and Libya, just sales. For half a year of the current war, there was a huge consumption of shells, mainly artillery and fought, after the supply of himars, a large number of warehouses were destroyed.
          3. The state of shell production in the modern Russian Federation is not clear. I don't remember if they ordered at all.

          So shell hunger is quite possible and logical. Given how quickly the warehouses of Ukraine and the Warsaw Pact countries were empty. Not just because Kazakhstan banned arms sales for a year. It also happened in our TG channels that we began to save shells.
          The situation is very difficult right now.
          1. +2
            6 October 2022 17: 00
            “The state of shell production is not clear” - and it’s very good that it is not clear. This means that the services are working.
          2. +3
            7 October 2022 20: 51
            The USSR ceased to exist 31 years ago. During this time, gunpowder degraded,
            About the degradation of gunpowder. I wrote the same, and I will repeat myself. in 1997, he fired about 100 rifle cartridges of 7,62 issue of 1946 on a ballistic stand. For 51 years, only 3 had signs of gunpowder aging - an increase in the muzzle velocity of a bullet. So 3% in 50 years is a trifle.
          3. -1
            8 October 2022 08: 46
            Ammunition production is a military secret. And they were not previously written about in the press, since few people were interested in this, and secrecy made itself felt.
            Once again, enough ammo. The main thing is their delivery to units, especially artillery ones.
        2. +2
          7 October 2022 17: 14
          There is no certainty about proper storage. Much was kept stupidly on the street, incl. shots 152mm. At the same time, when we loaded them into trucks for recycling in the early 2000s, there were no brass cases there.

          Much was later disposed of, in the early 10s in Chebarkul they were very actively disposed of. So that in 50 km the windows-doors were shaking and the ceilings were cracking.
          Why didn’t they reload or at least unload and put away for storage?
    2. 0
      6 October 2022 17: 06
      TASS
      Article -
      Chronology of explosions at ammunition depots in Russia since 2010.
      Near the village of Zheltukhino in the Ryazan region, on October 7, 2020, a fire broke out in an ammunition depot, which led to the detonation of the shells stored there.
      October 7 2020
    3. -2
      6 October 2022 17: 22
      the institute of ensigns, unfortunately, has not gone away in the army, first of all shake them, and then against the wall, or barefoot on the first line ... it’s even better
    4. 0
      7 October 2022 17: 24
      Do you remember how many fires have been in warehouses in recent years? Didn't these fires happen just in time before the inspection?
    5. 0
      8 October 2022 14: 52
      Shells cannot lie in warehouses for a hundred years, or rather, they can but should not. In 91, in Luga, they brought us boxes with shells that simply fell to the ground. The boards are rotten from storage. And the release of 45-47, away from sin, decided to drown the CD in the lake. A lot was disposed of in the last years of the Serdyukov rule. All summer at the training ground in Elizavetinka they tore. All the residents of the elite settlements fled.
  7. +5
    6 October 2022 16: 16
    :))) NATO will run out of ammunition and shells - this is a very funny oxymoron ... The maximum that they can run out of is the delivery time will be longer than the Ukrainians will shoot delivered because they don’t feel sorry for such good from the bottom of their hearts at someone else’s expense. ..
    1. 0
      6 October 2022 17: 03
      Quote from Cheburek
      NATO will run out of ammunition and shells - this is a very funny oxymoron ...

      You will not burst with laughter when you find out how important the energy supply of enterprises is in this matter. And metals across Europe are scattered in mountains.
      Fuck you, Mr Smith...
      1. +2
        6 October 2022 20: 45
        Quote: yuriy55
        You will not burst with laughter when you find out how important the energy supply of enterprises is in this matter. And metals across Europe are scattered in mountains.

        And what is the idea? Are the witnesses of the energy crisis in the USA writing again?
    2. +2
      7 October 2022 17: 26
      Yes, I caught my eye on the numbers.
      30000 shells a year is very little.
      This is 3.5 rounds per hour in continuous production.
      Do they pour them into the sand there, like kernels, and manually refine them with files?
      30000 is more like a monthly plan for the production of one small factory.

      Rough calculation.
      How many 155mm barrels are in US service?
      1000 probably typed? If everyone shoots 30 times a year (2-3 times a month), this is just 30000.
    3. 0
      8 October 2022 08: 56
      They also have problems with production capacities. And they can't be solved quickly. The fact is that you can order them, but they first need to expand production. Since, very often, no one kept spare capacities due to unnecessary expenses for expensive equipment.
      And in most cases it is specialized for such production and it must be ordered for production. And the manufacturers of this equipment have either "shrunken down" themselves, or abandoned its production altogether, since it is not mass-produced and labor-intensive. I have already encountered this phenomenon when ordering equipment for the needs of our company.
  8. +4
    6 October 2022 16: 18
    the bet on an unparalleled miracle weapon failed, because. even if we have such a weapon, no one will dare to use it, and every day the probability of its use goes to 0
  9. +5
    6 October 2022 16: 20
    Warehouses in Transnistria, exported from Germany ..
  10. +6
    6 October 2022 16: 22
    Talk about what happened - in the near future. It is clear that the attempt to shift all the blame on the military today will not work.
    But they will try!!! Not on some, but on others!
    The list of the most guilty ones can be LONG! But what will it change and for whom???
    Again, the contractor smells, it stinks!
    What is obvious, the results, for a long time, will not have to wait .... or does anyone doubt it ???
  11. +1
    6 October 2022 16: 29
    Quote from Silver99
    be careful in the comments, the 1st department is not asleep)))

    Oops... the city is not named, the factory too laughing
  12. +5
    6 October 2022 16: 35
    The Anglo-Saxons took over half the world because they did not care about the opinion of the natives. Yes, and their lives too. And we are all afraid to appear in the eyes of others as something different. We apologize, we come up with all sorts of "proportional" measures there. How many dead on both sides in Ukraine have such half-measures brought? Only after 7 months of the war, our peacetime army began to be deployed into a mobilized one. And when will the staff fathers-commanders of peacetime be replaced? Who knows. We have not yet drunk the cup of defeats to the end. Hold on guys in the SVO zone! You will have a hard time.
    1. -1
      8 October 2022 09: 00
      No need to swear. We defeated the Ukrainian army. Now the war with NATO is practically starting, and they have a different potential and capabilities. Therefore, we began to revise our capabilities in the conduct of hostilities.
  13. +1
    6 October 2022 16: 44
    Many edros and liberos here love when it is beneficial for them to remember the Great Patriotic War. But here's what's interesting, then there were enough shells
    1. +8
      6 October 2022 16: 57
      they were enough only because every second shot fired by the spacecraft was made with American gunpowder.

      Explosives: produced 558 thousand tons; delivered 295,6 thousand tons; 53%.
      • Copper: 534 thousand tons produced; 404 KT; 76%.
      • Aluminum: 283 thousand tons; 301 KT; 106%.
      • Tin: 13 KT; 29 KT; 223%.
      • Aviabenzin: 4700 thousand tons; 2586 KT; 55%.
      • Car tires: 5953 thousand; 3659 thousand; 62%.
      • Railway cars: 1086 pcs .; 11 075 units; 1020%.
      • Railway rails: 1 101,1 thousand tons; 622,1tys. tons; 57%.
      • Sugar: 995 thousand tons; 658 KT; 66%.
      • Canned meat: 432,5 million cans; 2077 million cans; 480%.
      • Animal fats: 565 thousand tons; 602 KT; 107%.
      1. mz
        +5
        6 October 2022 20: 03
        I don’t argue about the numbers, but you think strangely: if 558 tons of explosives were produced, 295.6 tons were delivered, then the percentage must be calculated from the amount. For example, 295.6/(295.6+558)=34.6% of the total amount of explosives supplied, i.e. every third shot. With this calculation, the total amount will be 100%, and you can determine what percentage of the total amount is supplied (no item will be more than 100%).
        1. 0
          6 October 2022 21: 07
          With this calculation, the total amount will be 100%, and you can determine what percentage of the total amount is supplied

          I don't think it's easy to calculate. It is quite possible that the components of production in the Union were also from overseas. Lend-lease closed the bottlenecks of Soviet industry. Additives to gasoline, for example, to increase the octane number.
          1. +1
            7 October 2022 10: 21
            With the statistics of deliveries to the Second World War in the USSR, everything is ... complicated. For example, part of the high-octane used for blended gasoline was actually accounted for twice: the first time - as supplied from abroad, and the second time - already in the total volume of blended gasoline, as domestic production. The same picture was with the machine sets of equipment: once they were taken into account during delivery, as imports, and the second - after assembly, as products manufactured by our enterprises.
            1. +1
              7 October 2022 11: 44
              Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The share of Lend-Lease components in our production could be both large and relatively small, but as a rule, we were talking about a situation where it was impossible to produce our products without these components. And this was observed both in the production of gunpowder or ammunition, and in technology. And this should also be taken into account, and not just the supply of finished products or products.
            2. 0
              7 October 2022 21: 39
              Quote: Alexey RA
              actually counted twice:

              Well, if it was counted twice with us, take the data of the Americans on deliveries. Although no matter how you don’t take it into account, no matter how you dodge, no matter how you deny it, the help was significant. Our marshals themselves recognized this
              1. +2
                8 October 2022 15: 26
                Quote: Pilat2009
                Well, if it was counted twice with us, take the data of the Americans on deliveries. Although no matter how you don’t take it into account, no matter how you dodge, no matter how you deny it, the help was significant. Our marshals themselves recognized this

                It’s just that in the Union they were very fond of counting lend-lease for tanks and aircraft. Tactfully omitting the main share of aid - industrial. So the impression was that LL was not particularly important.
                But the most delicious was in the industrial part. Here is copper + equipment from equipment factories, which finally made it possible to switch to a mass-produced 85-mm caliber. Here and aluminum with high octane for aircraft. Here are the machines that made it possible to launch an aircraft factory in a couple of months. Refinery equipment.
                Plus food - stew and other canned food, egg powder, etc.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                About 240 thousand tons of stew were delivered. Daily norm of issue: 150 g of meat or 112 g of stew. In total, 2 daily norms were delivered. Based on the calculation of 142 days of the war, the "second front" could replace domestic meat for 857 military personnel daily.

                Well, the military rear, of course. All-wheel drive trucks, which not only raised the rear and divisional artillery, but also made it possible for ordinary infantry to form motorized groups like the German mod. 1941 Tractors. Special vehicles with which the USSR was bad even before the war. Radar and communication.
                LL was good, first of all, in that it expanded the bottlenecks of our military-industrial complex and removed a double burden from some of the factories. Otherwise, the same GAZ would have to increase the production of "one and a half" and GAZ-64, and try to launch the GAZ-63 arr. 40. And that means goodbye SU-76 and BA-64. According to some estimates, deliveries through LL made it possible to release about 100 skilled workers, who otherwise had to be found somewhere and provided with workshops, machines and tools.

                And most importantly - the delivery of all this. If there weren’t Lend-Lease with its northern convoys, the supply of ships for DalVas, the penetration of the trans-Iranian corridor by the allies - and then, even if the USSR would have had enough money to buy the same volumes in the USA (the question of whether they would have sold all this to him, we will omit ), then there would be huge problems with delivery.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                On the northern route, you need an escort, which in real life was provided by USN and RN. Our Federation Council, purely technically, cannot cover ships beyond the Bear’s meridian. Plus, the problem with the tonnage - the USSR simply does not have that many ships.
                On the southern route, it is necessary to create a transport corridor through Iran practically from scratch. In real life, even the British could not cope with this - they had to first involve "cousins", and then generally transfer all the work to them. And again the problem with tonnage.
                On the Far East route, everything seems to be fine. It was only in real life that the USSR, having concentrated on the Far East the main forces of its merchant fleet, was able to lift only one third of the shipments with its tonnage. And another two-thirds went to ships received under Lend-Lease. And freight on the Far East is impossible - on the way to Vladivostok you need to go through Japanese waters, in which the ships under the flag of the Allies will simply be sunk.
                1. +1
                  9 October 2022 11: 18
                  Our Federation Council, purely technically, cannot cover ships beyond the Bear meridian.

                  As life has shown in the form of a defeated PQ-17, it could not even be closer than the Bear, although the USSR took it up.
                  1. 0
                    10 October 2022 10: 48
                    Quote from solar
                    As life has shown in the form of a defeated PQ-17, it could not even be closer than the Bear, although the USSR took it up.

                    That's why I wrote - technically.
                    In fact, the same "sevens" actually had a cruising range half that of the design.
                    But with the cruising range, things were much worse. In 1943, it was 722-770 miles at full speed and 1670 miles at full speed for Thundering, Loud and Terrible, for Reasonable and Furious - 740 and 1750 miles, respectively, for Vigorous - 730 and 1300 miles, "Courageous" - 625 and 1350 miles, "Merciless" - 770 and 1696 miles, "Zeal" - 959 and 2565 miles. Such a sharp decrease in the range (twice compared to the project) is due to a reduction in the fuel supply by an average of 70-80 tons due to the laying of solid ballast, an increased displacement (up to 2350-2400 tons compared to 1900 tons in tests) and severe corrosion mechanisms due to low quality steel.
                    © S.L. Balakin. "Thundering" and others. Project 7 destroyers. MK No. 2, 1996
                    Plus traditional basing problems, as a result of which half of the EM SF required repair.
                    1. 0
                      10 October 2022 17: 02
                      actually had a cruising range half that of the design

                      Old story. "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them"
          2. -1
            8 October 2022 09: 05
            Lend-Lease is so, a trifle. The Americans write about their deliveries to the USSR. But how many of them actually came, if during the deliveries, and these are mainly merchant ships as part of convoys, almost half, if not more, of the ships were sunk during the transition.
            1. +1
              8 October 2022 15: 33
              Quote: svoroponov
              But how many of them actually came, if during the deliveries, and these are mainly merchant ships as part of convoys, almost half, if not more, of the ships were sunk during the transition.

              Convoys are the northern route. According to which less than a quarter of the goods came.
              The main flow went through the Far East - 47%. On this route, losses en route from the actions of the Japanese (and American - the Lockwood boys first shot, and then engaged in identification) forces were minimal.
              The second route is southern, through Iran. There, too, everything was fine with the losses.
      2. +1
        7 October 2022 10: 15
        Quote: kirill1971
        they were enough only because every second shot fired by the spacecraft was made with American gunpowder.

        In addition to direct supplies of gunpowder to the USSR through LL, there were also supplies of components for the production of certain types of gunpowder. And there the situation was even more interesting:
  14. +3
    6 October 2022 16: 46
    The Yankees devastated their strategic reserves, this is clear. They will be rebuilding soon. Then all these budgets will be tendered. They will start production, restore stocks. AND...? Do you think this overheated steamroller of the American military-industrial complex will be able to stop or someone will be able to stop it? In such scenarios, there will be few layouts where they will dispose of all this bunch of weapons
    1. +5
      6 October 2022 17: 24
      155 mm shells are produced almost all over the world in South Africa, Europe, South Korea, Japan, India, etc. It's not a problem at all to scatter orders if necessary. The production capacity is huge. That's what you need, big doubts. In general, there is no shortage of shells in them. Rather, old stocks are drained, new high-precision ones will be purchased, although it takes less than 1 minute to equip conventional shells with a control unit.
      You need to understand 1 guided projectile replaces from 10 to 100 unguided ones. Yes, and in principle they have more accurate artillery.
  15. -8
    6 October 2022 16: 52
    Russia will still have a surplus in ammunition. If we imagine that stocks and production are the same (in fact, the Russian Federation can produce more), then the Russian Federation can spend all its ammunition on Ukraine. The US can't do that. They keep some for themselves and sell some to someone else. And only some part will be sent to Ukraine.
    So there are good prospects here. If only the pest managers, as always, did not spoil everything. And they can.
    1. +3
      6 October 2022 22: 23
      if you think about the fact that shells can be produced not only by the United States, more precisely, you can provide Ukrov shells without any manufactured in the USA at all - the depth of your thought immediately becomes shallow ..
  16. +7
    6 October 2022 16: 53
    And again we come to the question - do we have a war or what? And this question is for one person! Until Putin personally clarifies this, the "trampling around" will continue both at the front and in the rear. This is our "vertical of power". Stalin was able to quickly rebuild industry on a war footing, and we can now. The main thing is to give a command, not to interfere and control the execution!
    1. -1
      8 October 2022 09: 10
      When Stalin was rebuilding industry, did they also chat with him everywhere where and what? I asked my parents, they remember that time well.
      They published and talked about the development of only civilian industry. About the military no gu-gu.
      The development of the military went just after the attack due to the loss of industry in the western regions. Under this and under Lend-Lease, we requested part of the necessary raw materials due to the loss of mining capacities and production facilities in the western and partly in the central part of the country. And there were no opportunities and personnel to quickly restore it.
  17. -2
    6 October 2022 16: 54
    "And for this we need to create control bodies similar to those that are created during the war."
    Everything is correct. But where to get the Stalinist marshals and people's commissars.
  18. -9
    6 October 2022 16: 54
    ,, Until there is a person, a group of people who will lead this process, - is the author a call for a change in the existing government? Or do you think that the GDP and its talented associates are not able to lead the process, have the appropriate authority and bear responsibility? As the speaker of our State Duma, Mr. Volodin, said: "There is Putin, there is Russia, if there is no Putin, there will be no Russia." Each of us should remember these words well.
  19. -2
    6 October 2022 16: 56
    And what else is "dull"? What is the Russia-NATO war going on? SVO is a literary and ideological "notion" of the "Moscow boyars" for the "mob" - they are also invalids of the EGE "and" mature members of the society of "qualified consumers" .... And who, now, far over fifty, comes to mind with the words from the once Anthem of the USSR (1922-1944): ".... "This is our last and decisive battle ..."
    1. +1
      6 October 2022 22: 38
      if there was a war
      Quote from nordscout
      Russia - NATO

      You would have either been in a trench (no matter how old you are) or saved yourself from radiation somewhere .. since in such a war there can be no victory without nuclear weapons .. however, you are on the VO website .. then you are mistaken ..
      1. +2
        7 October 2022 01: 01
        Yes, this is a war: Russia - NATO, unfortunately ..... So far, still, its first stage (of the war), that's why I'm not sitting in a trench (according to mobilization criteria), and I'm trying to explain, on the pages of a respected VO, the essence of what is happening from the standpoint of their everyday and military service (25 "calendars", and in preferential terms - 48 years) experience ... And nuclear weapons will probably be used by a party to a military conflict in the event of a critical state of the aircraft in the theater or a complete "finish" the possibilities of the raw material base, industry, in particular the military-industrial complex, agriculture and the mobilization resource of the belligerent ... Then we all, without age and other exceptions, will leave our wives, sofas, say the last "sorry" to the VO and go to the trenches, and the Supreme " will call for an "officer" with a "nuclear suitcase" to press the "red button" or activate the "Dead Hand" ... Here you are right - there will be no winners in such a "situation" ... Something like that, sir " level II adviser "..... Nothing personal, just an analysis of what is happening in my house e - Russia and around it .....
        1. +2
          7 October 2022 10: 53
          and what does your analysis suggest in case NATO really comes, with all the tanks, missiles and aircraft? it will also be a war with NATO, but different? But what do you think, Iran is also at war with NATO, didn’t it give us a UAV?
          Quote from nordscout
          And nuclear weapons will probably be used by a party to a military conflict in the event of a critical state of the aircraft in a theater of operations or a complete "finish" of the capabilities of the raw material base, industry, in particular the military-industrial complex, agriculture and the mobilization resource of the belligerent ...

          based on the fact that we have no prospects for industry against NATO, as well as for people, aircraft, etc., why then wait, you need to bang now, is that how it turns out, in your opinion?
          1. 0
            7 October 2022 20: 27
            And when it “rushes” towards us, NATO, as you say ... "with all the tanks, missiles and aircraft? .....", then the Supreme Commander will announce a GENERAL mobilization and "bring" to the battlefields, already, the entire millionth grouping, which, now, are "out of business", but take part in all sorts of "pro-Chinese" maneuvers in the East, are preparing for the future "tank - aviation - infantry biathlon", Parades and "Army-202 Forums ..." Then it is possible "scenario" of the second stage of the war, for one of the parties... In the meantime, as they say in the glorious city of Odessa: "We'll see...." And about Iran!? At the moment, for Iran - Russia - this is a good business, but with NATO it has been howling for a long time, about 40 years .... True, very carefully and subtly, in an oriental way ... "to the whole" NATO world "? Iran, with the so-called "political will" - everything is in perfect order, unlike us, and, therefore, NATO's sense of "healthy stupidity" does not allow them to cross the "Iranian red line" ... Therefore, NATO is Iranian the conflict is more like a "undercover" one: very cautious, extremely adjusted with elements of a banal "agreement" ... Well, firstly, Iran is almost a "nuclear power", although no one has seen Iranian nuclear weapons, but there are more and more people who want to "see" it less and less - there, immediately, a noose is put on the neck, and not a "term", secondly, Iran is an "oil Klondike", thirdly - "authority" - for almost the entire East (near and far, Asia and Africa) - from Algeria to the Indonesian islands, and with a very measured and unbending "political will", under which the West has more than once "felt" an iron fist in a kid glove "... Iran rarely speaks, from the stands, about" red lines " - but he quietly and accurately "draws" them with the blood of military and political opponents on their own back hoarfrost ..... Please note: even the "star-striped" keep from Iran at a decent "geopolitical distance", preferring "barking" "from under the collar" to active military operations ... Because Iran is not Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, and not even Russia - his words rarely differ from deeds .... Something like that ....
            1. +1
              7 October 2022 20: 48
              you understand, even if we complete it, there will be noticeably fewer of us .. and we will be inferior technically .. and in the amount of MODERN equipment .. only the USSR + ATS could compete with NATO .. ​​do you think the USSR and the ATS have become stronger? and NATO has become stronger - the ATS is now for them .. and they have stupidly much more weapons .. the same planes - an order of magnitude .. Air defense will endure and hello Yugoslavia and millions of soldiers will not help .. they don’t fight purely in numbers already, not the Second World War .. with the Germans in the Second World War, the alignment was much better, because - the main industry is not the one that was in the USSR in 1941 .. and then the quantity - meant much more than now .. that's why I say - if the war with NATO today is only nuclear weapons ..there is nothing else we can do to hold them back.. why then millions of victims before that? you have to immediately bang it turns out, if we, as you say, are at war with NATO, is the meaning of all the fuss? with nuclear weapons it will pass much faster and we won’t lose .. though we won’t win ..
              1. 0
                7 October 2022 23: 22
                That's right, we won't lose, but we won't win either... But we want our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to live. And after the use of nuclear weapons, living with them and with us will be a big disaster and a big problem. It is only in Chernobyl that wild boars and elks "mutated", though they do not live long, but the Lord did not provide for such "mutations" for a person ... So - we will fight with conventional weapons, to the last soldier ... All "nuclear" capabilities and "Wishlist" - the path to the Apocalypse, from which the path, only, to eternity .... Something like that .... Now the main question of our existence and the future of our children, grandchildren - great-grandchildren - is the presence of great political will and courage at the very "top" - stop "playing soldiers", and start fighting with all the might of our Armed Forces, using the skills and experience, the military art of modern warfare, putting things in order, discipline, diligence, with an "iron fist", in all branches of government, management industry, finance, medicine, education and science... As the song from the good Soviet film "The First Glove" says: "... Otherwise, we will not see good luck ..."
                1. +2
                  8 October 2022 00: 10
                  Ivan, just remember your own words
                  Quote from nordscout
                  in all branches of government, management of industry, finance, medicine, education and science ...
                  and in a year, see if it will be .. and draw your own conclusions about what it was and what it gave to whom ..
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2022 12: 04
                    And I can add to what was written, only, undermined this morning, the Crimean bridge ...... And this became possible due to the banal "indifference" of those who should think, analyze, show state integrity, diligence and devotion to the cause and people Russia - 24\7\365.... You write: ".... and in a year, see if it will be ...." A year is a significant astronomical value on a country scale, even such a huge one as Russia. Russia has been fighting for the eighth month already, the results of this so-called NWO are very, very modest, to put it mildly .... And the positive "moments" of this "operation" have happened and are happening now, basically, like in the entire military history of Russia - "in spite of", and not "thanks to" and are based on the heroism of the Russian soldier, his courage, devotion to the word and banner ... The fact that the NWO is mediocrely prepared, in all respects - the events on the theater of war - to that confirmation ... Probably our "leadership", to put it mildly, underestimated the motivation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the majority of the civilian population of Ukraine, that combat (actually) experience of NATO instructors teaching and leading the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then the "rebirth" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (2014-2022) into a highly mobile one, well a trained and organized modern army, the scale and capabilities of NATO reconnaissance and target designation means, their (NATO) clear organization of military logistics and training of military personnel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... Yes! The Armed Forces of Ukraine - turned out to be a serious adversary to be reckoned with ... And what did we oppose to them on 24.02.22.? Acoustic "red lines" from all the media and irons, a small military contingent "sharpened" for a police operation, bravura comments in the style of the "Russian-Japanese war of 1905". Well, now we are "disentangling", we are trying to "run into" Gen. The headquarters and the Ministry of Defense, although there is also "who" and "what" to work with counterintelligence and the Prosecutor's Office of the Country ... And it's not the fault of the generals and officers who develop the plan for this SVO .. How they formulated (set) the task, in that vein it was embodied in "bronze and marble". I suspect that the operational management of Gen.Sh. proposed to develop an aviation - artillery - infantry - tank "biathlon" with expanded (across the territory) functions .... Which was "soundly" developed and is being implemented to this day, though "partial mobilization" in this "attraction", it seems, was not included ... I want to finish this detailed answer, again, by "referencing" the reader to an episode from a Hollywood action movie about the times and customs of the "wild West" Episode: saloon, smoke with a yoke, drunken cowboys, tramps, ladies "with reduced social responsibility". In the corner, a piano "strums" under the hands of a local pianist, a poster hangs over the piano: "Do not shoot at the pianist! He plays as best he can!" Let's, for now, treat the NWO and their organizers, as the poster from the Hollywood action movie suggests ... And then we'll see ...
                    1. 0
                      8 October 2022 12: 54
                      Thank you for the detailed answer .. I completely agree with you, Ivan .. the only thing I want to note is that I don’t believe for a long time that “some” have the good of the country, and not personal benefits, in the first place .. although this may be normal .. we are a capitalist country now .. this is the main public good in socialism .. look how the big countries fought in WW2 .. the capitalist ones - for the sake of profit and in the war they also got rich as a result (and mostly specific individuals) .. and how can one underestimate the difference in the minds of the inhabitants of Ukraine / Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014 and 2022 - it’s not clear to me at all .. this is blatant incompetence .. if this is a mistake of course .. and so .. yes .. we’ll see .. and of course I don’t blame the army either , she fights well .. in the opportunities and boundaries given to her ..
  20. 0
    6 October 2022 16: 56
    Quote: Gardamir
    ... the Great Patriotic War. But here's what's interesting, then there were enough shells

    Are you serious?
  21. -3
    6 October 2022 16: 57
    Again 25. All the same arguments, all the same confusion, the same explanations, the West is fighting and no one except the authors and politicians notices ... and not about real arsonists - oligarchs who support with their own money, they wrote, national battalions and clinging to their own.

    "They force us to devastate our and European arsenals" ... Who forces you, aliens? Who pushes the start buttons? Reptilians?
    And right there - that all junk and old ammunition are supplied to Europe from warehouses.
    Logically, they are happy to get rid of the junk, test the modern on someone else's skin, write off all their flaws on an external "enemy", start a golden rain in the military-industrial complex. A famous recipe since antiquity.

    But in real life, the Duma, the "elite" that recently clapped the amers standing up, has secured itself from being drafted, continues to do "business" and sell off enterprises (the articles are directly on the site).

    "mobilization of the economy"? How many such articles have already been. IMHO, when it will be - at the expense of hard workers, and not Duma members, they will definitely not go to the machine. Busy. They share new positions in the EP in new territories ....
    1. -1
      8 October 2022 17: 49
      "Max1995"! You almost hit the "point" ..... Who is at the "crucible" of this war, on both sides, "will never come out" under the spotlights "... One can only guess about them, but prove them personal involvement is an "empty number" ... One can only assume, but for indirect reasons and with a very "bold" analysis of the situation in the theater of operations. Some of them (the oligarchs ???), the so-called tactical-strategic "ideas", "embodied" in the course of eight-month battles, "strike the eye" and become "talk of the tongue" and a strong irritant of domestic patriotic-minded inhabitants: strange negotiations with ukrofascists, even more strange "gestures of good will" near Kyiv, in Sumy and Chernihiv areas, the correct operation of railway and road transport throughout Ukraine, already, for the eighth month, electricity, heat, water, sewerage, communications and the Internet, practically throughout Ukraine, except for the DPR and LPR, the clear operation of all logistics "chains" for the supply of NATO weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine , ammunition and l / s NATO, functioningNATO headquarters, on the territory of Ukraine, coordinating and directing the military operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, "strange" regroupings of our Armed Forces, leaving Russian cities, villages and territories ... ", in the sense of SVO, someone needs it and, precisely, in such an" entourage "... Analogies from history: neutral Sweden supplied Germany with iron and nickel ore throughout the Second World War, the allies, us, the United States, credited German industry throughout the war, mainly The military-industrial complex, neutral Switzerland was the "sinecure" of the Abwehr and the Main Directorate of Imperial Security of Germany, France, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Holland - were the strong rear of the Wehrmacht, its suppliers and repair base ... War is war, and business, it is without borders, nationalities and patriotic inclinations ... Something like that, nothing personal to this NWO, only an analysis and comparison of historical reminiscences ....
  22. +7
    6 October 2022 16: 57
    I have the opinion that we knead sourdough for pancakes and, each time adding flour and milk with water, we cannot get the desired consistency.
    At the level of State Duma deputies and other official sources, it is said that several ammunition factories have switched to work in four and three shifts.
    There can be only one sound idea - the creation of a GKO, to which any production is unquestioningly subordinate [as it turned out, there are private production of weapons and ammunition in the country belay (!!!)]. Any sabotage of production, any demand for T-bills, any disruption and delay in deliveries should be equated with high treason and punished in the most severe way, without discounts for past merits.
    Now the peoples (including the world) are looking at Russia in order to understand what it is worth in the new guise imposed on it by the liberals. Can the market economy, which put Europe under Hitler in a year and a half, acquire a different vector in Russia.
    *****
    To wish for victory and bring it closer with real deeds are two big differences. What can a person 70 and older do? That's just it ... Just speak out, in the hope of being heard.
    The regions that have become part of Russia have not yet been (completely) liberated, and some are already overwhelmed by the desire for negotiations in one place. Have you really lost your mind? Who appointed you to government posts if, without having won a victory, without defeating the enemy and without proving your strength, you started this tedious song of defeatism?
    COMPLETE AND UNCONDITIONAL SURPRISE OF UKRAINE is the only reason for negotiations.
    hi
  23. +5
    6 October 2022 16: 58
    No need to look at what the West will say. They don't care about our opinion, so we shouldn't care about their opinion.
    With both hands FOR
  24. +2
    6 October 2022 17: 07
    The situation is more and more reminiscent of 1904-1905. "Top" more and more go into their own, alternative reality.
  25. +2
    6 October 2022 17: 09
    Durand la guerre de 14/18 la France a tiré (et donc produit) environ 200000 obus chaque jours (certes des munitions simples par rapport à celle d'aujourd'hui) mais pour dire qu'un pays tel que la Russie sur "le pieds de guerre" devrait être capable de produire suffisamment d'obus , non ?

    Durand War 14/18 France fired (and therefore produced) about 200 shells every day (admittedly mere ammunition compared to today), but to say that a country like Russia on the "legs of war" , should be able to produce enough projectiles, right?
  26. +4
    6 October 2022 17: 10
    And during this time it is quite possible to organize the purchase of such ammunition in third countries. For example, in South Korea.

    In the summer, Canada negotiated the purchase of 100 000mm shells from South Korea, and at a discount. Now the Czech company is buying $155 billion worth of MANPADS and shells from South Korea. The United States pays and then the Czechs give them to Ukraine. MANPADS, probably against Iranian UAVs, which caused panic among the Ukrainians. One 2,9mm projectile costs about $155 + $1,5 for a pusher charge https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/400.html. Those. about $6353274 per shot, but that's the commercial price. If $2000 billion is spent on shells, then 2 million shots are obtained. If at cost, it will come out even more.
    Under these conditions, if necessary, it is possible to purchase shells from the DPRK, which is one and a half times larger than South Korea in terms of the number of cannon and rocket artillery. Also interesting are the North Korean MLRS caliber 240mm, 300mm, 400mm and 600mm. You can buy cheaply outdated OTRs of which there should be about 1,5 thousand or more modern ones - cruise missiles (range 1500 km) and solid-propellant ballistic missiles (range 500 km). Ammunition prices in North Korea are probably much lower. There is a legal moment here. The UN banned the purchase of weapons from the DPRK, and the LNR and the DNR, which could do this, joined Russia.
    1. +1
      6 October 2022 17: 38
      Quote: smart fellow
      and the LPR and DPR that could do this joined Russia.

      South Ossetia has not yet joined.
  27. 0
    6 October 2022 17: 18
    I don’t want to, but I write: You are a naive young man! Nobody!!! NOBODY, today, out of duty of the heart, will stand on a box at a lathe for the production of blanks for mines or shells! No one will stand on it for 12 hours, then sleep on it and get up again ..... We ourselves weaned ourselves from the concept of the Motherland, from the concept of NECESSARY!
    Only a little executions and a little Stalin will save this country and, attention !!! I wang that soon we will see how the views on what is happening and those who "this" happened will be toughened!
  28. AB
    +2
    6 October 2022 17: 45
    Who's stopping us from changing the law? This is our law!


    How I love statements like this! Ignorant people do not care about such moments, they live thinking this does not concern us. But politics also did not concern them, and here bams! ... CBO! Which now is not the right word to call it. It's the same with laws. Laws should be adopted deliberately, balancedly and not in a regime that is already popularly designated as a "mad printer". The less often laws are adopted, the more confidence that they will not be rewritten to please anyone at the first whistle. For laws are not written for people. This is not our law - This is the law for us!
  29. +1
    6 October 2022 17: 48
    The author, apparently, never heard about the mobilization reserves of defense industrial enterprises, if he seriously raised the topic of the lack of artillery shells and weapons in the conflict in Ukraine. This applies equally to both the Russian Federation and NATO countries.
    1. -1
      8 October 2022 09: 26
      Most NATO countries do not have these mobilization reserves. The vast majority of enterprises in the west are private. They don't fucking need these mobilization reserves in terms of equipment capacity. And their states, because of the extra burden on the budget and hoping that America is with us, simply did not create them, there is no need.
  30. +1
    6 October 2022 17: 54
    We need another Stalin to purge all the trains.
  31. 0
    6 October 2022 18: 11
    Quote: Sergey Valov
    “The state of shell production is not clear” - and it’s very good that it is not clear. This means that the services are working.

    Yeah, these "regime services" keep quiet the exchanges of the Azov people and our retreats. And they have everything and do not need anything. It’s just that the Defense Ministry has long turned under the regime of secrecy into a secret organization for plundering the country! That's the only reason for this "secrecy"!
    1. -2
      8 October 2022 09: 38
      You are more careful about retreats. Read what a temporary maneuver war is. Its task, of course, is to capture territories, but first of all, its task is to inflict maximum damage to the enemy in manpower and equipment. This is achieved both by offensive and retreat - there is the concept of military art.
      You have probably already seen how the same Ukrainians, after a little resistance, quickly retreated, dragging ours into the offensive, which later led to the attackers getting into the fire bag. Well, ours quickly understood this. Why can't ours do the same? As one military man told me, it can take a very long time to dig them out of the fortifications, it is better to lure them from there or in another way from them to the area where there are much fewer fortifications and parts have not yet been fixed. You can cause much more damage to manpower and equipment, which, when led wars are difficult to replenish. And incur minimal losses.
  32. +3
    6 October 2022 18: 18
    IMHO, now our leaders are at a loss. The conflict has entered a protracted phase, and they trivially do not know what to do now. Since any mobilization of industry is an infringement of the interests of the oligarchy, and these interests are sacred for our government.
  33. +10
    6 October 2022 18: 22
    Quote: Sergey Valov
    The author, apparently, never heard about the mobilization reserves of defense industrial enterprises, if he seriously raised the topic of the lack of artillery shells and weapons in the conflict in Ukraine. This applies equally to both the Russian Federation and NATO countries.

    I beg of you. A large and thick bolt was put on mob tasks long ago. Not to mention the fact that no mob tasks prevented the demolition of industrial enterprises for the sake of elite development. Examples:
    - the tractor plant in Volgograd is the BMD-4;
    - Altai Tractor Plant is PRP-4 and MTLB.
    A tasty piece of land immediately resets all mob tasks.
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  35. +5
    7 October 2022 00: 55
    Every day I see these fantasies about the shortage of shells among the Americans (God!) in different places. Did you get the circular?
    1. The US has never been greedy for shells. Just recently, Mosul was wiped off the face of the earth. In recent years, the CNBC channel tells us, the United States has bought quite a few shells, about 15 shells per gun per year. From this, a normal person concludes that the Americans have a lot of shells - new ones are purchased only for exercises. How much "bulk"? The total resource of 155mm guns of the American army is about 5 million rounds. A perfectly reasonable guideline.
    2. Why do American journalists disperse this garbage? Firstly, journalists always disperse some garbage. Secondly, one "blunt" 155mm shot costs about 5 thousand dollars (corrected - 15 thousand, Excalibur - under 100 thousand). That is, the idea of ​​"let's buy a million shots for participation in demilitarization" is for someone not good money. And at the same time, quite a small amount of money by the standards of American assistance to Ukraine.
    3. 155mm is a very common caliber, there are a lot of ammunition all over the world, including those with an ending shelf life. And given that the shelf life of this goodness is 30-50 years, right now it is necessary to shoot the last shells of the Cold War. And during the Cold War, there were really a lot of them.
    Deliveries of 155 mm ammunition will never stop (as long as there is a desire to supply them).
    4. The author dragged 105mm howitzers neither to the village nor to the city. This is an excellent weapon at a different, battalion level. Given the current tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, raids by light infantry groups can be extremely useful - this gun is easily dragged by the Hummer, unlike the "ultralight" 777.
    1. +1
      7 October 2022 10: 28
      [quote] [/ quote] Every day I see these fantasies about the shortage of shells among the Americans (God!) In different places. Did you bring the circular? [quote]
      That's right on point. The United States has monstrous stocks of shells since the Cold War, and storage conditions will be better there. Plus, (who may not know), only in South Korea there are gigantic stocks of 155mm shells, and their most powerful production ...
      1. 0
        7 October 2022 10: 58
        Quote: vital.33
        only in South Korea there are gigantic stocks of 155mm shells, and their most powerful production ...

        By no means do you get more than 300 155mm barrels in the APU. This is the level of such great artillery powers as Finland and Jordan.
        And these 300 barrels a coalition of 50 countries cannot provide BC. One country cannot provide one artillery battery.

        Clearly understood.
  36. 0
    7 October 2022 08: 39
    Have we captured half the country today?
    In 1991, the bourgeoisie captured the whole country. Therefore, all questions to the "effective owners."
  37. 0
    7 October 2022 09: 33
    The concept of mobile and local war could be brilliantly confirmed in Ukraine, but...
    There were no political decisions in the liberated territories. They became not our stronghold, but a paradise for saboteurs.
    There was no political decision to destroy the Bandera state. Pointless negotiations, stoppages of troops, gestures of peaceful will ... we allowed the Bandera people to organize and regroup, mobilize and receive weapons from the West.
    Against this background, the bound hands of our troops are such a trifle.
    .
    Not the concept was not confirmed, but Napoleon's statement about an army of lions led by a ram was confirmed.
    1. +1
      7 October 2022 11: 48
      Quote: also a doctor
      The concept of mobile and local war could be brilliantly confirmed in Ukraine, but...


      There is no such concept - "Concepts of mobile and local warfare".
      There is a mobile (or maneuverable) war - a war in which there is no stable front line, and maneuverable military operations are conducted in different areas.
      There is a local war - a war between two or more states, in which only these states participate, and it does not concern others.
      But there is no concept that would combine these two types of war into a single system with its own strategy.

      Unless, of course, one understands by the "Concept of mobile and local war" the concept of a small victorious war with little bloodshed on foreign territory.
  38. +2
    7 October 2022 15: 12
    Quote: bayard
    it was decided to build two more tank repair plants in the European part

    Somehow it's not good from such phrases.
    Maybe instead of plans to find some semi-dead mechanical factories now and start repairing military equipment now, gradually expanding the possibilities and volumes. Most of the Soviet giants began in general with mechanical workshops with equipment from tsarist times.
  39. +2
    7 October 2022 16: 39
    From my own experience, it is better to build a new plant than to reanimate an old one lying down. Old productions were sharpened for a different labor productivity, technology, different raw materials, different cost. Often the frames too.
    1. 0
      12 October 2022 07: 11
      Common sense suggests that a new plant + new personnel is yes for God's sake, but this is the time. And the old mechanical repair plant is usually ready immediately.
  40. 0
    8 October 2022 00: 03
    Slogan article. The author has no idea who and what and where and how much produces, but he still pours out slogans - "we will give the country coal, small, but a lot." , because all of the general reasoning.
  41. -3
    8 October 2022 09: 02
    Big seen in the distance.

    Probably the only case in the history of mankind, when in peacetime they plundered their country, this is our 1991. And, as expected, with almost biblical miracles. At the beginning of 1992, "Gaidar saved the country" and everything that "was not in the USSR" suddenly appeared and "the market was saturated." Next to THIS, everything that was known hitherto fades.

    Therefore, I believe that everything is possible with us! At the same time, poverty and fabulous wealth and hunger and any excess .....

    It seems that the Russian people are already tired of their incredible accomplishments, which "have no analogues in the history of mankind."

    When future archaeologists dig up the ashes, they will still make many amazing discoveries.
  42. -1
    8 October 2022 13: 27
    Quote from cold wind
    155 mm shells are produced almost all over the world in South Africa, Europe, South Korea, Japan, India, etc. It's not a problem at all to scatter orders if necessary. The production capacity is huge.


    For their internal needs, local production for export is not sharpened. How will Uncle Sam allow junior partners to compete with their own military-industrial complex, to take profits. So it's unlikely that the possibilities are real. The fact that the Yankees began to transfer smaller-caliber howitzers to Ukraine is indirect evidence of this.
  43. 0
    13 October 2022 20: 12
    War? So she's there, far away from my house. And I don't want to live in a war. I want to live the way I used to live...

    So after all, this is the installation of our political leadership. Do you think they dragged out the mobilization to the last, because it was not clear where everything was going? I don’t think (otherwise it’s completely a clinic) - in their heads the social consequences of such a step were worse than a possible agreement, which apparently still loomed in their opinion. Our country is now in the position of zugzwang - all further strategies lead to a worsening of the position. And what did you end up deciding? We decided "brilliantly" - to do nothing. We have no war, and no negotiations. Strange VO, in general. This is Schrödinger's cat.
  44. 0
    13 October 2022 20: 14
    Destroy European competitors and make Europe a market for American goods

    Which goods, may I ask? The author, apparently under the impression of the Soviet textbooks on watered. savings. The United States has long been producing nothing but "dollars" - what kind of goods do they want to organize for sale?
    1. -1
      18 October 2022 15: 23
      Expensive resources and raw materials, EU industry is already creeping into the US. Europe will remain a consumer, and the US will go to work.
  45. +1
    18 October 2022 15: 21
    The loss of the Russian Empire in the First World War, these are also purely economic reasons. Ammunition ran out, the industry did not have time to meet military needs, therefore, weapons were actively purchased abroad from the Entente allies - England, France, as well as in the USA and Japan (for example, the Japanese got rid of their obsolete Arisaka rifles). Political instability in the state came already as a result of insoluble economic problems, the industry could not stand it. We know the result of this story, Russia as a national formation survived, but at the cost of coups, civil wars and reforms, the state that entered the war as the Russian Empire ceased to exist. I would not want the historical parallels with Russia in the first quarter of the XNUMXth century to be applicable to Russia in a hundred years, but they are already suggesting themselves, everything again rests on the economy. Updated article, thanks.
  46. 0
    18 October 2022 15: 48
    Quote: Aviator
    Expensive resources and raw materials, EU industry is already creeping into the US. Europe will remain a consumer, and the US will go to work.

    Do you imagine the structure of the "EU industry"? This is heavy engineering, aircraft manufacturing (Airbus is also in the states, closer to Boing?), Chemical industry. All this cannot be relocated either in 5 or 10 years. In the meantime, they will be relocated - all markets will be captured by China and others like them. No production - no money coming in, nothing will be consumed in Europe. Therefore, your "plan" is not implementable in principle, and there are much closer willing people to make money in the USA
    1. 0
      18 October 2022 17: 24
      I am not an economist to make forecasts. In this topic, I only focus on Russian news, but even minus our propaganda rhetoric about the sad future of the EU, the situation described looks quite real. For example, here is an article: https://ria.ru/20220923/evropa-1818805740.html In my opinion, the reasons and conclusions look logical.

      It’s a pity for Airbus, they are somehow more attractive to me with their products. It’s clear that Boeing will not tolerate them nearby :)
  47. 0
    18 October 2022 15: 56
    Quote: Aviator
    The loss of the Russian Empire in the First World War, these are also purely economic reasons. Ammunition ran out, the industry did not have time to meet military needs, therefore, weapons were actively purchased abroad from the Entente allies - England, France, as well as in the USA and Japan (for example, the Japanese got rid of their obsolete Arisaka rifles). Political instability in the state came already as a result of insoluble economic problems, the industry could not stand it. We know the result of this story, Russia as a national formation survived, but at the cost of coups, civil wars and reforms, the state that entered the war as the Russian Empire ceased to exist. I would not want the historical parallels with Russia in the first quarter of the XNUMXth century to be applicable to Russia in a hundred years, but they are already suggesting themselves, everything again rests on the economy. Updated article, thanks.

    A couple of questions - when was the card system introduced in Petrograd? What was the number of rear units that did not participate in the battles at the fronts? Well, were there any mobilization orders for industry, and which ones? The First World War is very similar to today's conflict - they counted on a couple of months, and when everything dragged on, the NWO format was not canceled and the economy was not transferred to a war footing. And yes, the parallels are clearly visible
  48. 0
    18 October 2022 18: 01
    Quote: Aviator
    I am not an economist to make forecasts. In this topic, I only focus on Russian news, but even minus our propaganda rhetoric about the sad future of the EU, the situation described looks quite real. For example, here is an article: https://ria.ru/20220923/evropa-1818805740.html In my opinion, the reasons and conclusions look logical.

    It’s a pity for Airbus, they are somehow more attractive to me with their products. It’s clear that Boeing will not tolerate them nearby :)

    Yes, the article is interesting - but the only point of the original (WSJ) is that investment activity has stopped and new projects are under threat, and not, as RIA Novosti wrote, the transfer of chemical production and steel smelting to the USA :).
    How it will turn out is not clear. If you remember, the union talked a lot about the "end" of the West, when the Persian Gulf countries imposed an embargo on oil, and especially in the United States, there was a complete "ass". And how did it all end?
  49. 0
    26 October 2022 15: 27
    Thanks to the Soviet government for the accumulated reserves - if not for them, there would have been nothing to fight for a long time ...

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